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A Look At What's Going on in the Asian Community · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and for stuff I
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  Speaker 1: never told your production. iHeart radio.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so this episode, listeners has a lot. So I
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of emotions and feelings right now, and
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  Speaker 2: as the administration continues to attack the citizens and residents
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  Speaker 2: and everybody else and ben some without due process or
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  Speaker 2: as if they're you know, not human, it's been hard
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  Speaker 2: to work out these emotions and feelings. So since I
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  Speaker 2: have a mic and platform, thank you any I thought
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  Speaker 2: I would try to work them out with you Annie
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  Speaker 2: and our listeners.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you listeners.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, wouldn't do this as a journey content warning.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, this is about world issues, racism, death, immigration, all
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  Speaker 2: the things, even adoption. I put a little sprinkle of
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  Speaker 2: adoption stuff in here, and I'm gonna times it is
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  Speaker 2: October ninth, twenty twenty five. I had to like at
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  Speaker 2: a calendar because days, what are the days? I thought
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  Speaker 2: it was the end of October, who knows. At the
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  Speaker 2: same time I thought it was, you know, August.
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  Speaker 1: What is this temporal distortion? We did an episode on it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but all that to say, it's today's October ninth,
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. And I swear to God, this really
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  Speaker 2: has been the longest year ever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been quite long.
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  Speaker 2: But with that, again, we talk about all kinds of
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  Speaker 2: problems and issues in the world, but today we're focusing
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  Speaker 2: on Asian topics. And though we're going to use sources
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  Speaker 2: in different research, I will also be putting into my
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  Speaker 2: own personal experiences and thoughts. And yeah, I am only
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  Speaker 2: one person with one opinion and one experience, and there
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  Speaker 2: are a lot of things happening. So with all of that,
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  Speaker 2: know that, yes, again peppered with my opinions, this is
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  Speaker 2: a biased conversation and for the most part, we try
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  Speaker 2: to keep it at least research focused.
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  Speaker 3: And there's a lot of research.
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  Speaker 2: Again we won't talking about that, and a lot of stats,
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  Speaker 2: but I do have thoughts and opinions as an Asian
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  Speaker 2: American woman that has as a naturalized citizen since the
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  Speaker 2: age of fourteen, And yeah, like I said, got a
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  Speaker 2: lot of opinions.
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  Speaker 3: But with all of that, there's a lot of things
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  Speaker 3: happening when it comes to issues.
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  Speaker 2: Asia is a continent, a giant continent, so it's a
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  Speaker 2: big amount of space with lots of different communities, with
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  Speaker 2: a lot of diversity and cultures. So even though I'm
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  Speaker 2: focusing in saying the terms Asian American, it is going
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  Speaker 2: to be pretty broad and spread out. Of course, as
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  Speaker 2: a South Korean I am a little more focused in
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  Speaker 2: on that Eastern Asian conversation. And yeah, there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: that's happened personally in the State of Georgia with South Korea,
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  Speaker 2: as you may already know. But with that, we are
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  Speaker 2: also focusing on Asian American communities or immigrants are coming
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  Speaker 2: in to the community and how they're affected, or how
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  Speaker 2: the US is seen by the Asian commmunity, or how
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  Speaker 2: the Asian community is seen by the US. But before
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  Speaker 2: we do all that, let's talk about Asian American history,
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  Speaker 2: the history of Asian Americans. It's not something that's taught
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  Speaker 2: in my it was not taught in my school. I
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  Speaker 2: knew very little to none. In fact, the little I
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  Speaker 2: know of it is due to the things of social media,
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  Speaker 2: my own.
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  Speaker 3: Research, and literature.
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  Speaker 2: East of Eden, which is one of my favorite favorite
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  Speaker 2: favorite books, was one of the better renditions of an
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  Speaker 2: Asian character named Lee, who was portrayed as a secret
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  Speaker 2: moral compass and liked in the story. I think there's
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  Speaker 2: so many reasons why I love that story. That fiction
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  Speaker 2: but his portrayal from such an author like from way
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  Speaker 2: back when was so significant and nude me to see
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  Speaker 2: that that wasn't really it was kind of tongue in
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  Speaker 2: cheek about the racism at that point, like they talk
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  Speaker 2: about pigeon speak and all of that. But he was
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  Speaker 2: the moral center to this conversation. Like Adam, one of
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  Speaker 2: the main characters often conversed with him, like he was
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  Speaker 2: seen as that.
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  Speaker 3: So it was interesting to know that.
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  Speaker 2: And this was during everything that was happening in California
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  Speaker 2: with like Gold Russian such kind of INMBS center but
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  Speaker 2: way back when, you know. But we're going to go
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  Speaker 2: through this with the help Ofhistory dot com who gave
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  Speaker 2: us a bit of a timeline and our little summary
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  Speaker 2: from it. So it goes as to this, in the
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  Speaker 2: mid eighteen hundreds, we have the Gold Rush, which brought
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  Speaker 2: a lot of Chinese miners to the California coast. According
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  Speaker 2: to the Library of Congress, we have around twenty five
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  Speaker 2: thousand Chinese laborers arriving to be met with a lot
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  Speaker 2: of discrimination and hostility, and with that they would soon
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  Speaker 2: be a part of the trans Continental Railroad workforce. So
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  Speaker 2: they'd initially come in and try to get gold. That
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  Speaker 2: didn't work out because they no one wanted to share,
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  Speaker 2: no one wanted to give him any access and whatever whatnot.
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  Speaker 2: So they did a lot of the work, including the
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  Speaker 2: trans Continental Railroad. In eighteen seventy five, the Race ofst
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  Speaker 2: Sexist and Fetishizing Page Act was enacted. This prohibited the
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  Speaker 2: use and recruitment of Asian people or Oriental as they
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  Speaker 2: put it, who were brought for quote led inve moral purposes.
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  Speaker 2: Here we have the conversation of Asian women being brought
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  Speaker 2: as prostitutes and allowing for the degradation and humiliation of
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  Speaker 2: Chinese and other Asian women. And also this was also
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  Speaker 2: in part to make sure to separate Asian families.
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  Speaker 3: There was a lot. There was a lot in America.
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  Speaker 2: In eighteen eighty two, we had the Chinese Exclusion Act,
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  Speaker 2: which bade at Chinese immigrants from entering the country and
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  Speaker 2: also made sure to deny citizenship. This lasted until nineteen
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  Speaker 2: forty three. Yeah, you guess that when they decided that
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  Speaker 2: Japanese are way worse because you know, we need to
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  Speaker 2: pit people against each other, and they also needed more soldiers.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In eighteen eighty five, the courts allowed for all students
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  Speaker 1: to have access to public education thanks to the Mami
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  Speaker 1: tape case, an American born Chinese girl versus the San
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  Speaker 1: Francisco Board of Education.
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  Speaker 3: Right in eighteen eighty five through nineteen seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: We have a whole history of targeted attacks against Asian
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  Speaker 2: coal miners with the deaths of many Asian people and
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  Speaker 2: injuries with absolutely no justice, and of course more congressional
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  Speaker 2: policies barring Asian immigrants or even quarantine and imprisoning them
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  Speaker 2: for long periods of time. So they literally had like
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  Speaker 2: Ellis Island but on the West coast that just kept
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  Speaker 2: Asian people there for a long amount of time. And
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  Speaker 2: speaking of which, nineteen forty one, after the bombing of
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  Speaker 2: Pearl Harbor, we have the interment camp which imprisoned over
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty thousand Japanese Americans, which impacted their
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  Speaker 2: livelihoods and so much more. Bt dubs they have redne
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  Speaker 2: reconstructed this area to have.
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  Speaker 3: A ice camp encampment.
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  Speaker 2: So kay it wasn't until nineteen fifty seven there was
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  Speaker 2: an Asian American Indian America and seek in Congress. The
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  Speaker 2: Lipp song from California is sworn in as US representative
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  Speaker 2: who was about civil rights and desegregation at the time,
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  Speaker 2: love to see it.
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  Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty five, the first Asian American woman and
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  Speaker 1: first woman of color, Patsy T. Mink of Hawaii, who
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  Speaker 1: was sworn in as a US House representative.
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  Speaker 2: Since then, progress has ebbed and flowed, and as I
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  Speaker 2: think most people have noticed, yes, we have had the
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  Speaker 2: push for unions and better work conditions, acceptance with AAIP
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  Speaker 2: Heritage Weekend even extended to a month to coming background
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  Speaker 2: with pushbacks with anti Asian rhetoric to divise between marginalized people.
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  Speaker 2: So what I'm saying in general is that things progress,
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  Speaker 2: things got better than.
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  Speaker 3: Things are now in a stalemate.
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  Speaker 2: And we know one of the favorite things of white
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  Speaker 2: supremacy is putting marginalized people against each other, and the
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  Speaker 2: Asian people were probably the top in this narrative. So
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  Speaker 2: that brings us to the model where do you miss?
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  Speaker 2: This is what we're talking about. The term was first
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  Speaker 2: introduced in nineteen sixty six thanks to sociologist William Peterson,
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  Speaker 2: who wrote an article titled successful Story Japanese American Style
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  Speaker 2: for the New York Times magazine. There's a couple of
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  Speaker 2: features on New York Times magazines, which seem to really love.
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  Speaker 3: This conversation.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, anyway, the theory essentially puts one marginalized
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  Speaker 2: group against another in its incorrect stereotyping of Asian Americans
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  Speaker 2: or Asian people in general. Asian immigrants and NBC News
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  Speaker 2: defined it as this quote a persistent stereotype that paints
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  Speaker 2: Asian American as inherently successful and problem free, particularly in
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  Speaker 2: contrast to other minority groups. Yeah, yeah, no, you see
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  Speaker 2: what you see what I'm saying. Yeah, okay, So of
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  Speaker 2: course this has only strengthened white supremacy, which is the point,
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  Speaker 2: Which is what we're saying. From a twenty seventeen article
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  Speaker 2: from NPR written by Catchild titled model minority myth again
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  Speaker 2: used as a racial wedge between Asians and Blacks, she
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  Speaker 2: writes the article is referencing another article that was not
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  Speaker 2: well received within the Asian community, which seemed to only
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  Speaker 2: uphold the model minority myth. Sullivan's comments showcase a classic
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  Speaker 2: and tenacious conservative strategy. Janelle Wong, the director of Asian
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  Speaker 2: American Studies at the University of Maryland, College Park, said
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  Speaker 2: in an email. This strategy, she says, involves quote one
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  Speaker 2: ignoring the role that selective recruitment of highly educated Asian
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  Speaker 2: immigrants have played in Asian American success, followed by two
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  Speaker 2: making a flawed comparison between Asian Americans and other groups,
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  Speaker 2: particularly Black Americans, to argue that racism, including more than
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  Speaker 2: two centuries of black enslavement, can be overcome by hard
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  Speaker 2: work and strong family values. There's so many things to
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  Speaker 2: this narrative that makes me want to.
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  Speaker 3: Throw a computer.
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  Speaker 2: So the article further explains the way p the person
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  Speaker 2: again who coined this infuriating term, really laid out the
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  Speaker 2: groundwork to these divisions.
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  Speaker 3: Quote.
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  Speaker 2: It solidified a prevailing stereotype of Asians as industrious and
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  Speaker 2: a rule abiding that would stand in direct contrast to
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  Speaker 2: African Americans, who are still struggling against bigotry, poverty, and
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  Speaker 2: history rooted in slavery. In the opening paragraphs, Peterson quickly
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  Speaker 2: puts African Americans and Japanese Americans at odds as which
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  Speaker 2: of the country's ethnic minorities has been subjected to the
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  Speaker 2: most discrimination and the worst injustices. Very few persons would
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  Speaker 2: even think of the answering the Japanese Americans. Yet, if
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  Speaker 2: the questions refers to persons alive today, that may well
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  Speaker 2: be the correct reply. Like the Black people, the Japanese
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  Speaker 2: have been the object of color prejudice. When new opportunities,
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  Speaker 2: even equal opportunities, are opened up the minorities, reaction to
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  Speaker 2: them is likely to be negative, either self defeating apathy
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  Speaker 2: or or hatred is so all consuming as to be
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  Speaker 2: self destructive. For the well meaning programs and countless scholarly
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  Speaker 2: studies now focused on the Black people, we barely know
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  Speaker 2: how to repair the damage that the slave traders started,
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  Speaker 2: the History of Japanese Americans, however, challenges every such generalization.
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  Speaker 3: About ethnic minorities.
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  Speaker 2: But as history shows, Asian Americans were afforded better jobs,
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  Speaker 2: not simply because of educational attainment, but in part because
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  Speaker 2: they were treated better. So, by the way, look behind
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  Speaker 2: the curtains. I changed some of the terms because there's
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  Speaker 2: that big quote was from Peterson's article in the early
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  Speaker 2: days in which they have politically incorrect terms for the
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  Speaker 2: black community. But at the same time, it is obvious
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  Speaker 2: what he is trying to do in this comparison, and
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  Speaker 2: it is tactic number one for white superses. And once
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  Speaker 2: again this is reinforcing that level of power, and this
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  Speaker 2: is kind of where that belief of the Asian people
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  Speaker 2: really really thinking they're better than because they got a
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  Speaker 2: pad on the back from the main people in power.
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  Speaker 2: So with a brief history of Asian Americans, what is
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  Speaker 2: happening today, Well, honestly what the model minority meant, still
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  Speaker 2: in full swing with events such as the reversing of
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  Speaker 2: affirmative action, thanks in part to an Asian American who
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  Speaker 2: bought into the narrative to be in proximity of white men. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: with the help and backing of white men, the state
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  Speaker 2: of affairs is not great now.
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  Speaker 1: According to a lot of data, Asian immigrants' main reason
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  Speaker 1: for coming to the US is all about the educational opportunity,
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  Speaker 1: either for them or for their family. According to Pew
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  Speaker 1: research from October of twenty twenty four, they say six
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  Speaker 1: and ten came for educational purposes or for economic purposes,
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  Speaker 1: and more than half of the Asian immigrants say there
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  Speaker 1: definitely need to be some major changes in immigration policies.
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  Speaker 2: Interestingly, according to the same research, democrats are more likely
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  Speaker 2: to help and increase Asian immigrant citizenship and green cards
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  Speaker 2: with programs such as Dacca and more, and the amount
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  Speaker 2: of Asian Americas at that time registered as Republicans were
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  Speaker 2: higher than Democrats, but honestly by a slight margin. Still
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  Speaker 2: disheartening when you vote against your own interests.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, in other pe research about how Asian immigrants live
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  Speaker 1: in the United States and why many of them believe
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  Speaker 1: the US has better opportunities for them and for their children.
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  Speaker 1: But interestingly, they believe that family ties and family importance
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  Speaker 1: is stronger in their country of origin.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And we've kind of talked about this in the
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  Speaker 2: way that the new generations of the Millennials and now
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  Speaker 2: Gen Ziers are still living with parents in a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the Asian communities, and that that's the norm that
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  Speaker 2: they do not leave until they are married themselves, and
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  Speaker 2: oftentimes in laws, especially if one is widowed, comes and
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  Speaker 2: live with them, stays with them like they have a duty.
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  Speaker 3: To their parents.
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  Speaker 2: And that's not necessarily a really big thing in the US,
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  Speaker 2: although I feel like people are now getting closer to that,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people moving back in and seeing those
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  Speaker 2: benefits of like less bills. So again from that Pew
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  Speaker 2: research quote, Asian Americans are the only major race or
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  Speaker 2: ethnic group in the United States that is majority immigrants.
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  Speaker 2: Some of the twenty four million Asian Americans living in
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  Speaker 2: the US are immigrants, and among Asian adults that share
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  Speaker 2: rises to sixty seven percent. Like, we've pretty hardcore gone
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  Speaker 2: after the Latino population, especially men, because they also voted
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  Speaker 2: against their own interests, being like, you knew what was
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  Speaker 2: coming because honestly, they were thought they would be a
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  Speaker 2: majority of US. And I say this US as in
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  Speaker 2: liberal or left leaning knew that these types of bills,
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  Speaker 2: especially when it comes to immigration policies and ice, they
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  Speaker 2: were targeting specific groups of people and they're usually Latino
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  Speaker 2: or Muslim group populations, and we've seen it.
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  Speaker 3: But for those who actually studied.
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  Speaker 2: And I know that's to our listeners, they already knew
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  Speaker 2: this was going to affect everyone, and for many of
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  Speaker 2: the Asian people who voted against their own interests. Again,
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  Speaker 2: like I think it wasn't fifty percent, but it was
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  Speaker 2: still too high. This should have been a warning set
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  Speaker 2: that this would also affect them. And again Georgia had
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  Speaker 2: the biggest ligne and it was sad and comical at
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  Speaker 2: the same time. So with numbers broken down like this quote,
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  Speaker 2: Asian Americans trace their origins from all parts of Asia
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  Speaker 2: and make up a significant portion of the overall US
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  Speaker 2: immigration population. Three of the largest US immigration population are
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  Speaker 2: from India at two point eight million, China two point
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  Speaker 2: five million, and the Philippines at two million. In Fyi,
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  Speaker 2: over two hundred thous other immigrants are adoptees from different
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  Speaker 2: Asian countries. According to some research, with the help of
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  Speaker 2: the White House Initiative on Asian Americans, Native Hawaiians and
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  Speaker 2: Pacific Islanders Commissions, and Asian American Adoptees, Kim Park Nelson
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  Speaker 2: was able to get some more specific numbers as of
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  Speaker 2: August of twenty twenty four, so they break it down
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  Speaker 2: like this. The largest group of adoptees are around one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and seventeen thousand are from Korea. The second would
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  Speaker 2: be from China at ninety seven thousand, ten thousand from Vietnam,
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  Speaker 2: ten thousand from India, seven thousand from the Philippines, three
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  Speaker 2: thousand from Taiwan, and two thousand from Thailand, and with
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  Speaker 2: that around one thousand from Hong Kong. Going back to
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  Speaker 2: the overview, while researching the attitudes of Asian Americans and
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  Speaker 2: their immigrant families, most of the research has been from
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four pre Trump like it has to be stated, however,
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  Speaker 2: the stats are not glowing for the Asian American community,
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  Speaker 2: though it does show that sixty one percent of Asian
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  Speaker 2: American voters went for Harris in the twenty twenty four election,
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  Speaker 2: and it's went down by seven percent from the twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty election, and seemingly every election cycle the percentage continues
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  Speaker 2: to go down for left leaning voters or for Democratic voters.
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  Speaker 1: According to my Asian Voice dot com, the data shows
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  Speaker 1: Chinese Americans were the lowest and Democratic votes at fifty
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  Speaker 1: three percent, which was the giant downfall from twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 1: which showed seventy two percent of votes for Biden. However,
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  Speaker 1: the Japanese American votes were higher for Harris than they
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  Speaker 1: were for Biden.
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  Speaker 2: Right. One thing that many of the researchers have shown
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  Speaker 2: is that Asian Americans have slowly started to lean again
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  Speaker 2: more and more conservative. Of course, this was again most
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  Speaker 2: of the research in twenty twenty four. I think things
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  Speaker 2: may slightly shift as we've seen a lot more naturalized citizens,
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  Speaker 2: green card holders, visa holders from Asia, yes, the continent
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  Speaker 2: being a part of this deportation sweep. So in fact,
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  Speaker 2: some like the attitudes of some of the other marginalized
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  Speaker 2: communities believe the idea that if they do the things
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  Speaker 2: quote right in the right way, then they are exempt
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  Speaker 2: from the conservative ideology of immigrants and fear mongering of immigrants.
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  Speaker 2: With the crackdown against immigrants, both those who have worked
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  Speaker 2: to legally obtain citizenships and those who haven't, the amount
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  Speaker 2: of people being unlawfully picked up by ice has become
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  Speaker 2: more and more frequent, with the government using the opportunity
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  Speaker 2: to spend more money to increase the.
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  Speaker 3: Profits of private equity.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I think, just as a reminder, when we have
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  Speaker 2: detention centers they are privately owned, the contracts they are
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  Speaker 2: privately owned. This is all equity. When we have contracts
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  Speaker 2: with I don't know Uganda, this is a private capital venture.
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  Speaker 2: As a reminder. However, this new practice has dented some
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  Speaker 2: of the capitalists ventures like the Henn Dai plant that
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  Speaker 2: was projected to bring in lots of jobs and profits
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  Speaker 2: with the help of the South Korean deal in the
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  Speaker 2: state of Georgia. After they rated a newly built plant
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  Speaker 2: looking for a few immigrants, they crashed with their assault rifles,
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  Speaker 2: tactical gears, mass and shackles and very little identifiers are
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  Speaker 2: resting around four hundred and seventy five people, shackling and
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  Speaker 2: detaining them.
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  Speaker 3: With no due process.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to put this caveat here because I've
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  Speaker 2: been kind of really irritated in this narrative by South
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  Speaker 2: Korean people, in South Korean immigrants, or any Asian like,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: any Asian American people when they talk about this and
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: be like they were unduly processed. The amount of force
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: that they use to find quote unquote a few of
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: the undocumented BT does many of these people that are
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: being hunted down, if I guess for the lack of
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: better terms, they are in the middle of getting their
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: due process. They are in the middle of getting their citizenships,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: abiding by showing up at courts, abiding by going to
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: their dates. They are being everything they are meant to do.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: They are paying.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Taxes this level where they don't pay taxes, yes they do,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Yes they do, Yes they do, and they don't receive
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: any of the benefits for paying those taxes. It's still
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: obnoxious that they even if it was just three or
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: four people, it still is a bad, bad practice and
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: still inhumane, just to put that out there. It shouldn't
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: be just because so many people from the good workers,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: as Trump would say, the high skilled workers, as he
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: had said, it should be said that if there were
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: still the three or four, we should all still be ashamed.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: So I want to put that caveat there because I'm
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: tired of hearing oh, just a South Korea's Oh. What
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: it did do is brought it into an international scale
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: and brought it to the attention of people who hold
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: money and ties to money. So that did help with that.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: But we should be upset that the original narrative was
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: the four or five. I know there's this the woman
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: in South Georgia who was running for Congress who thought
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: she was doing something real big and then lied about
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: the same which we need to come back up to
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: an episode of saying they were being trafficked, they're being enslaved.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: No, they're not. You are a liar.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: You're putting that same narrative that many conservative white women
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: who want to clutch their pearls and say we have
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: to save the children and women, and you try to
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: change that narrative into this when you figured out, oh,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I just cost our country billions of dollars, specifically our state,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: that's a whole different episode.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: I'm very upset moving on.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: But with all of that, many who were present of
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: the Korean workers, they did have visas. Now some of
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: these visas were incorrect, the paperwork was done incorrect. The
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: H one B visa program is very selective and very confusing,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: apparently even for other governments to fill out for high
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: skilled labor, as they say, And I can't seem to
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: get a number of how many were approved. Like listen,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: everything's going out the window because the back and forth
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: narrative of who's wrong and right and how many have
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: been told to go ahead and go so they doesn't.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: They didn't slow down the possibility of opening the plant,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: that amount of which actually happened. By the way, after
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: all of this went down, Mark Rubio as well as
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Trump was like, why don't you stay, We promise we
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: won't arrest you again, not guaranteeing a visa, not guaranteeing
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: the right paperwork. They just said, trust us bro, which
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: is I'm pretty sure how it started.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: By the way, trust us bro. We got you. Oh
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: my bad.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Many of the SECO fans have argued that the South
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Koreans were illegally here without the proper paperwork. Again, the
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: trust me bro happens a lot. All the while, Trump
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: himself stated that the skilled workers were welcomed here and
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: through the negotiations of Vio enticed them to continue their
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: work here, with no actual efforts or guarantees that something
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: would like this wouldn't happen again again. It really was
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: like a bro promise this time for sure, this time.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, no, you're you're the
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: good ones. He really did say that. Yes, I hate
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: it here anyway. Governor Kemp of Georgia, who apparently was
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: not aware of the raid yet he's actually stated that
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: he didn't know this was going to happen, has tried
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: to quietly hide under the radar by not publicly speaking
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: against the raid, as he just made quite a bit
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: of money with the opening of the latest iceed attention
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: centers here, but did make a trip to South Korea
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: to try to smooth things over.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure how that went.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of oward like photo ops, yeah,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: but no actual progress. And I love the fact that
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: he has not yet once made a statement except for
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: being like, I didn't know this and then just traveled
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: to South Korea.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Yep, there are conversations of lawsuits coming from South Korea
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: due to the inhumane treatment of their citizens while being
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: detained by ICE in the US. However, as of October,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: it seems there has been some agreement to allow for
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: South Korean workers to continue their work, but no real changes,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: as PBS reports saying this quote. South Korea has called
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: for more fundamental steps, such as creating a new music
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: category to expand access for skilled workers, but US officials
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: at the Washington meeting said major changes would be difficult
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: because of legislative constraints. According to a statement from the
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: South Korean Ministry.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: So literally they don't care enough to fix it, but
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: they're really still begging them to come. Oh and this
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: is also at the same time that President Trump's administration.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Trump is like, give me billions of dollars for you
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: to open these factories from both Japan and South Korea,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: and both of them are like what what of course
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: this is after he gave billions to Argentina. What anyway,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: So the sentiments within South Korea has been pretty intense.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: As a country that is all about holding their officials accountable.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: They have overthrown and impeached many a precedents successfully, some
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: have been assassinated. I don't think that's the citizens, but
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: just saying they have been quite loud about the treatment
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: of their people, and the administration continues to not be
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: held accountable for the distress of their people, which is
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: why this lawsuit could happen, and it probably should and
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: would do some major things if it were to go forward.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Of course, the tariffs and trade wars between the US
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: and other Asian countries have not made any of this better,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: which not surprising. I have been on South Korean TikTok
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: where they are continually making fun of the US of
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Trump and the specific woman in South Georgia like they
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: are going after her.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: They're being real mean.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: If you know anything about Korean medicines, their mean so
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't help that the administration has made the
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: views on Asian Americans less favorable as well. According to
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: the University of Washington, they have an article from the
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Asian American Foundation, which released a study in May of
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five which shows that the US views have
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: not been great. So these are some of the key
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: findings that they quote. The results reveal a lot regarding
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: the perception of Asian Americans in the US, including three
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: key findings of Americans think Asian Americans are more loyal
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: to their country of origin than the US, and that's
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: double of what it was in twenty twenty one. More
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: than a quarter of Americans are concerned that Chinese Americans
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: are a threat to US society, especially when it comes
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: to national security.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: At the same time, worldwide, it seems that the US
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: may be falling out of face very while China is
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: starting to look real good. From some other pe research
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: from July of twenty twenty five, they say this quote.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Across twenty four countries Pew Research Center surveyed this spring,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: more people have a positive view of the United States
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: than of China. However, this gap is closing as views
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: of the US have become more negative while views of
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: China have turned more positive.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Right, so the increasing amount, like in percentage wise, is
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: changing pretty quickly, and they are starting to see China
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: as possibly the better power or more power, especially when
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: it comes to technology, in trade, and in labor, which
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: is really scary for so many reasons, because neither China
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: or the US are great. Let's just be very very clear.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: They list Israel as one of the countries who definitely
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: favor US over China. But countries like Mexico, Canada, Indonesia
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: and several others they seem to be going in their
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: favorability to China.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Mexico and Canada. I feel like that's explanatory.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: No Ah, I mean, everybody's everybody's suffering from what's happening
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: in the United States right now, really, I mean mostly,
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: but Mexico and Canada. I do feel a particular I'm
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: so sorry, to be fair.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Like our administration have threatened war when both.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: Of them living with a roommate has a disorder where
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: every four years they completely.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: They're like, we're gonna take you what right now?
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, I don't think that that's not too surprising.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I will say, from what we can gather, many of
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: the Asian areas are.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: All about China.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: That is increased as once upon a time that wasn't
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: the case. So yes, with the likes of blaming Asian
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: people for cod and the rise of Asian hate, it
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: isn't hard to see that within the Asian communities there's
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: also some divisiveness. I mean, obviously, when we have this
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: conversation about the republic Democrats of voting split, like the
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: fact that it's so close is upsetting in itself. But
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: something that has been annoying the hell out of me
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: is this conversation of the Oxford Study. So for those
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: of you who have never heard of it, and I
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: wish I was you, I wish I was you, we're
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: going to talk about the study. So in the study,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: this specific quote, which is being used a lot more
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: so in TikTok than anywhere else. I think it has
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: now gone over to Instagram and such is loosely referencing
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: a study completed in twenty ten that was titled the
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: New Susie Wong Narrative Assumptions of White Male and Asian
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Female Relationships and these were done by Asian women, I
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: believe so from Joysauce dot com quote. This study examines
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Roman Antico relationships between white men and Asian women using
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: the context set by the nineteen sixty film The World
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: of Suzie Wong. According to the study, is generally believed
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: that this film set the stereotypical standard of naive subservience
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: paired with hypersexuality that follows Asian women in Western world,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: especially when in relation to the white men that seek
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: them out. Essentially, it was a report about fetishizing of
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Asian women in the early film industries portrayal of women
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Asian women in again the film industry. The article goes
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: on to say this, The study concludes that the stereotypical
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Susie Wong esque representation of Asian females when associated romantically
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: with white men has become internalized and normalized. So it's
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: talking about the fact that this was really bad, especially
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: when we see and portray Asian women, and it still
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: happens today as being that subservient pretty much male order
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: bride conversation. So we're thinking, like, especially with that conversation
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: of like war torn world and war made bride, where
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: the soldier goes overseas to an Asian country, takes a
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: wife from bring her back, and because she is so
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: out of her realm that all she can do is
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: worship the white man. But this has turned into oh,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: this is all Asian women. Correct, But as of late,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: many have used the term Oxford study as a way
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: to denigrate any Asian women who is dating a white person.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I will say I have seen people who try to
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: use this term in reverse as a reverse Oxford study
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: when it's an Asian man with white women that hasn't stuck,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: but I've seen people try it, I will say that,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: which is odd because the majority of people using this
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: phrase are actually Asian men. Are those who are hiding
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: behind a digital Asian mask kind of you know, like
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like pretending they're Asian themselves.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: But this current trend has really shown the persistent need
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: to sexualize and fetishize Asian women at the same time
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: using it in the most misogynistic ways possible. Literally most
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: of the comments are only under Asian women influencers, and
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: in the minute they find out that there's a white
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: person as their partner that is full of it. It
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: is completely I will say. They also have added comfort
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: women as a term for South Koreans. That is one
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: of the most offensive things you could do because the
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: history of it is so sensitive and he still has
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: yet to be resolved. This with the added out data
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: study of how most men prefer Asian women, which again
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: is part of the stereotype of Asian women being sexualized
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: and phantilized and subjugated.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Back to the Joysauce article quote TikTok, scholars have been
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: digging into other data from dating apps, including one creator
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: who recently did a deep dive into an article published
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: by The Daily Mail in twenty thirteen. Amongst the plethora
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: of potentially outdated race focused dating app data, this article
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: stated that most men prefer Asian women with the exception
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: of Asian men. Though both studies are now more than
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: ten years old, their impact on the current relationship zeitgeist
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: is still holding strong and often encourages misplaced blame for
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: the emasculation of Asian men on Asian women. As clearly
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: evidenced by the Men's Rights Asians movement, it became clear
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: that members of the community see Asian women as playing
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: an active role in maintaining the stereotypes placed on Asian men.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: They often contended that choosing non Asian partners means undermining
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: and emasculating Asian men, therefore perpetuating white supremacy.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: It's a wonderful form of gaslighting.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to be your fault for sure, right.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Oh and yeah, we talked a bit about the feminist
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: movement in South Korea and the men's rights groups there,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: which have caused a small movement light for b movement
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: that has gained a lot of popularity around the world,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: including here in the US, and we're not saying that
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: South Korea's FORB movement is the reason for the decline
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: of the birth rate everywhere. I think it just finally
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: was named as like, yeah, finally, yeah yeah, okay, yeah,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: because we have seen a huge decline in South Korea,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: in Japan, in the US and so many more of
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: the countries.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's Asian women's fault for that too.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Again, the comment is seemingly innocent, but the usage is
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: poignant and purposeful. From a Guardian article written by Steffi Cow,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: she writes this, the submissive, sexualized perception of Asian women persist.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: They are stereotyped by demeaning depictions of male order brides
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: and comfort women, and eroticize in wayfu art misogynistic memes
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: about Asian women in interracial relationships about online including Oxford study.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: These are layered comments that show both hate and disdain
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: for women who choose to date non Asian men. It's
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: something that has to be studied. Is only perpetuates the
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: lessening of Asian women's humanity.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Right back to Cow's article quote, much of this misogyny
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: is nurtured within men's rights, Asian MRI Asians groups online
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: which organize harassment campaigns towards Asian women who date non
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Asian people. The group's ire stems from another racist stereotype
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: with repercussions in the dating realm, that Asian men are
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: emasculated and unattractive. Asian men were revealed as one of
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the least swiped on racial groups in a twenty fourteen
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: OkCupid report. Much of the recent derogatory language around the
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: dating habits of Asian women has been coined in the
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Mr Asians space. Wmaf or a white male Asian female
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: relationship Lou an Asian woman who rejects Asian men in
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: favor of white men. Banana ng an Asian woman who
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: used today white men but now seeks a relationship with
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: an Asian man.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Now with the popularity in the rise of K pop
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: and like K dramas, C dramas, jpop, I think things
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: are probably going to be shifting because they have become
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: a new fixation on Asian men, which is wonderful. Again,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: this comes back to gas lighting Asian women. That's your
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: fault that we don't have a relationship like it is
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: a new form of insul like it's racial now again.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: I talked about this before when we talked about online dating,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: I rarely got hit on.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: By a lot of Asian men. I will say that,
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: but I.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Just remember one incident in which the dude, this is
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: his way of like trying to get my attention, instead
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: of just saying, hey, I like your picture. Hey that's
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: a cute dog, because I always figured a doll probably,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: But instead he immediately started with I know you're probably
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: not gonna come talk to me because you probably date
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: only white men, because you won't even give me a chance,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Like that.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Was the amiting the opening.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I was like, wow, well, definitely not gonna talk to
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: you now because I'm scared of you, Like I'm immediately scared,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: immediately scared. But there is this heaviness to that conversation,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: especially when we see Oxford City, like the part that
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: gets me with people commenting, of course there's trolls. There's
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: always going to be trolled. It's that level of like
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: did you even know them? I didn't reject you, I
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: don't know you.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: What is this?
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: What is this new level of disdain for someone happy
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: in a relationship. And there's a whole different conversation when
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: we talk about interracial dating. It may be outlawed soon
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: because we are seeing a slippery slope of things that
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: come so in our Asians, You're gonna about to be
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: real happy.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I guess, I don't know, probably not.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Exactly, but there's so many things in this conversation and
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: the amount of times that I have seen the comment
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Oxford City makes me so angry because it comes back
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: to re stereotyping and dehumanizing Asian women again, which you're like,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: we would make it so many progressive steps, and now
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: we're back here with just one statement. And yet actually
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: the researchers for the actual Oxford Studies, which has nothing
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: to do with this, necessarily has said like, no, this
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: was never our intent. What is happening. This is actually
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: the opposite of what we wanted. As well as the
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: fact that the origination was some random dude saying there
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: needs to be an Oxford study because he saw a
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: happy couple who was an Asian woman with a white
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: man about women like her. So it wasn't even really
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: in referencing to that study, but there is an absolute
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: belief that is a real study too.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels kind of like the Mandela effect for
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: everybody's like, I know, I remember this happened.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: This is a study what you think it is.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Nope, but there's a lot again and so much more
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  Speaker 2: in conversation that we talk about. I didn't even talk
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: about the fact that there was plenty of naturalized Asian
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: students who are getting their citizenship revoked based on who
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: they are protesting. For the fact that our naturalization status
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: could be revoked based on whether or not the government
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: thinks that we are a threat. We haven't even talked
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: about the LGBTQ to it all, and how that isn't
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: another layer in this intersectional conversation of what.
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  Speaker 3: We see every day.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Like I said, the Asian community is a giant community
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  Speaker 2: and for us to ignore the things that are happening
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  Speaker 2: in the US is absurd. But at the same time
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  Speaker 2: I understand for those of us who don't feel stable
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  Speaker 2: and are scared are trying to figure out how to
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  Speaker 2: best walk this line of trying to seek justice and
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: advocacy versus self preservation or with self preservation us not versus.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: And in that conversation of like, yes, I'm glad South
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Korea got a wake up call to understand the US
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: is not about you. But at the same time that
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: it had to get to that model minority conversation in
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: order to see and highlight the awful treatment and inhumane
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  Speaker 2: treatment that the US policies have put onto other people.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: There's a lot, There's a lot. There's so much happening
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: again with this topic alone, and honestly, Annie, I refuse
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: to do a two parter again. I'm trying my best,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: so we'll end it here, but I fully expect we
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  Speaker 2: will have many, many more conversations about this in the future,
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  Speaker 2: as long as we have this job.
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