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Ryan Bridge: Is this really AI theft? · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: IP lawyers will be licking their lips, salivating with all
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  Speaker 1: these AI cases landing on their desks at the moment,
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  Speaker 1: won't they? The latest, we spoke about this yesterday, Sony
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  Speaker 1: and Warner going after Anthropic. Their argument is basically that
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  Speaker 1: Anthropic's AI models, their Claude model, the ones that we
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  Speaker 1: use to get answers to questions, scrape and bottom trawl
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  Speaker 1: the internet for information. That information, including song lyrics, which
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  Speaker 1: is where they enter, is often IP owned and produced
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  Speaker 1: by humans and or companies. So scraping it and using
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  Speaker 1: it to sell as a product is theft, they say.
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  Speaker 1: Media companies in New Zealand take a similar view to this.
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  Speaker 1: If the robot is scraping content produced at cost by
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  Speaker 1: a news business, then how is that not also theft?
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  Speaker 1: But if you think about it, humans do this all
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  Speaker 1: the time. I do it every day. It's actually what
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  Speaker 1: I'm paid to do. You ingest big chunks of information,
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  Speaker 1: And then you use them to inform interviews and content.
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  Speaker 1: Lawyers do it for legal cases. Politicians do it all
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  Speaker 1: the time. Businesses do this on the daily. We all
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  Speaker 1: do it in one way or another. And we use
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  Speaker 1: that information that the internet gives us for our own purposes,
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  Speaker 1: usually to make money. Knowledge is power and content is king.
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  Speaker 1: So the question then becomes, what is the difference between
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  Speaker 1: us doing this and using this information and an AI
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  Speaker 1: model doing exactly the same? Surely Claude is committing no
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  Speaker 1: greater crime than the rest of us. Of course, how
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  Speaker 1: they get this information and their hands on this information
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  Speaker 1: is quite key. If you're ripping it off a bit torrent,
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  Speaker 1: then you might have other problems. But if you're getting
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  Speaker 1: it from a paid subscription, isn't that what we do?
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  Speaker 1: In the news business, you credit your sources, but not always.
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  Speaker 1: There's a point where the collective weight of the information
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  Speaker 1: that you have consumed becomes your own thoughts and your
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  Speaker 1: own IP. Are robots really any different? For more from
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