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The Late Debate | 7 April · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks James for the update on people getting their bushes out. Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: I mean you're getting it out in the bush.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Caleb Bond with Janika de Georgio and Joe Hildebranda.
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  Speaker 2: Would you be inclined to take your kid off and
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  Speaker 2: go for a naked hiked?
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  Speaker 3: Were about tobody? You about to ask me?
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  Speaker 4: There?
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  Speaker 3: Good grief, asked you.
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  Speaker 4: Well, No, nursing home all over again.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, here we go with the nurse Taylor's radio rap out. No,
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I wouldn't, No you, Joe.
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  Speaker 5: I'll be keeping my light very firmly hidden under a bushel.
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  Speaker 4: This program.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's probably the wise thing to do. Here's
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  Speaker 1: what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: I think we can all agree that we're in a
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  Speaker 2: fuel crisis or a fuel emergency, whatever you want to
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  Speaker 2: call it, Or at least I thought we could all agree,
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  Speaker 2: but one state raised the word emergency from its communications
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  Speaker 2: more than that soon. Labor has suddenly stopped talking about
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  Speaker 2: its eighty two percent renewables target for twenty thirty, dropped
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  Speaker 2: it from their policy platform for the next federal election
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: that's in Tomorrow's Australian and I'm pleased to announce tonight
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  Speaker 2: that racism is solved. Yes, a primary school has renamed
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  Speaker 2: its schoolhouses from pioneering Australians to Indigenous people, because clearly
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  Speaker 2: that's what people in remote Aboriginal communities need to improve
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  Speaker 2: their standard of living. But first, as we go to
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  Speaker 2: air tonight, reports coming through of explosions.
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  Speaker 1: In on Khag Island.
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  Speaker 2: Now that is Iran's main oil terminal in the Persian Gulf.
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  Speaker 2: It accounts for ninety percent of the country's crude oil.
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  Speaker 2: Iran state media is reporting that strikes have happened. They're
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  Speaker 2: blaming enemy attacks, although it's not been confirmed by any
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  Speaker 2: other media sources at this point in time, and it's
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  Speaker 2: many hours before the deadline set by US President Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump for the Strait of Hormuz to be opened, after
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  Speaker 2: which he threatened to bomb Iran back into the Stone Ages.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, we'll bring you any more updates throughout the
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  Speaker 2: show as they come through. As it stands, the deadline
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  Speaker 2: is ten am tomorrow Sydney time. That the deadline stands
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  Speaker 2: for when he was going to start all of this.
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  Speaker 2: So if indeed there have been strikes, I mean, it'd
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  Speaker 2: be unusual. I would have thought if they had come
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  Speaker 2: from the US. At this point, there's no discounting the possibility.
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  Speaker 2: It could be another country, or it could just be
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  Speaker 2: a run in state media making it up for the
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  Speaker 2: sake of making it up. We don't really know at
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  Speaker 2: this point, but certainly an interesting development.
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  Speaker 6: Well, this is an interesting development, but one that in
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  Speaker 6: the event that it is the United States, I don't
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  Speaker 6: think we should be shocked by it. This is what
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  Speaker 6: Donald Trump has been really pushing. Well, he said, but
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  Speaker 6: even if his addressed to the nation last week, you know,
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  Speaker 6: if I basically summarized and it will stick with me,
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  Speaker 6: this is going to be over very quickly, and you
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  Speaker 6: know that this could be part of it. And he
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  Speaker 6: also put out that statement the other day where he said,
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  Speaker 6: open the effing Straight Fasters. I mean, the guy's not
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  Speaker 6: mucking around here.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it doesn't make much sense to bomb the energy
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  Speaker 5: facilities before the deadline has arrived and Iran has had
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  Speaker 5: the chance to open the straight and release all that
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  Speaker 5: oil and gas into the global market and all those
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  Speaker 5: tankers that are already bottled up there, So it would
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  Speaker 5: seem to not make any sense.
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  Speaker 4: There was a report.
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  Speaker 5: Axios reported an unnamed US military official earlier this afternoon
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  Speaker 5: saying that it had targeted the US that is, had
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  Speaker 5: targeted military installations on Carg Island. So is that the
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  Speaker 5: Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps facilities which they are using to
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  Speaker 5: guard the energy assets as opposed to the actual energy
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  Speaker 5: assets themselves. So we're talking about two very very different
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  Speaker 5: things here, even though other reports have also of course said,
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  Speaker 5: and we know because it's incredibly familiar, that Iran is
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  Speaker 5: using civilian installations like apartment buildings, you know, football stadia
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  Speaker 5: stuff like that, as bases for military bases and missile
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  Speaker 5: bases as well. So they're doing the whole human shield
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  Speaker 5: thing that we know her masks, which is fund Iran
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  Speaker 5: does or did in Gaza. So it's quite possible, you know,
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  Speaker 5: people he reports like this and suddenly, you know, get
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  Speaker 5: confused and think, oh my god, it's the end.
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  Speaker 2: Of the world.
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  Speaker 4: It's coming, it's coming, it's coming.
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  Speaker 5: It's very possible that this is an ongoing part of
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  Speaker 5: the ongoing military operation against military facilities in Iran and
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  Speaker 5: on Carg Island, but that the threat to actually target
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  Speaker 5: the energy infrastructure.
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  Speaker 4: Still hasn't started.
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  Speaker 3: Find out.
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  Speaker 5: But indeed it would be signed to Iran. Yes, that
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  Speaker 5: Donald Trump can and could if he wanted to move
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  Speaker 5: very quickly, and that I think because these people are
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  Speaker 5: hard to say it it's like negotiating with a suicide bomber.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, of course, as I say, stay tuned any for
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  Speaker 2: the details, will bring them to.
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  Speaker 1: You throughout the program.
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  Speaker 2: While we're talking about the fuel crisis, an interesting little
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  Speaker 2: union meeting over in the UK over the weekend. They're
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  Speaker 2: talking about what should happen with fuel, should there be rationing,
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  Speaker 2: and who ought to be able to get their end
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  Speaker 2: on it.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 2: This is not just a discussion that will be happening
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  Speaker 2: in the UK if they bring in rationing, this is
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  Speaker 2: one that we will be having here too. And the
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  Speaker 2: Teachers Union over in Britain says that they should have
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  Speaker 2: the first access to the fuel should there be rationing.
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  Speaker 2: Their argument is that teachers need to be able to
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  Speaker 2: go to school in order to teach, and so if
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  Speaker 2: you're picking and choosing who has the right to access fuel,
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  Speaker 2: will surely teachers must be at the top of the list.
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  Speaker 2: This is the General Secretary of the Teachers' Union in
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  Speaker 2: the UK, Matt Rack. He says, if schools have to
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  Speaker 2: close because staff don't have the fuel in their cars
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  Speaker 2: to get to work. Children's education could be disrupted severely,
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  Speaker 2: and this could have knock on effects for the wider economy. Now,
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  Speaker 2: either this sort of goes back to what I was
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  Speaker 2: saying last week. If you've got the free public transport,
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  Speaker 2: by and large, because most people live in cities, it
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  Speaker 2: eliminates that problem. Because you're saying there is a method
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  Speaker 2: by which you can get to work even if you
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  Speaker 2: can't fill up your car, that is public transport, to
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  Speaker 2: go and use it. There are therefore no excuses. But
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  Speaker 2: this idea, I mean previously, when we've had fuel rationing
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  Speaker 2: in Australia, and we're going back to the eighties, it
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  Speaker 2: was odds and evens on your number plate.
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  Speaker 1: You could fill up on certain days.
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  Speaker 2: But if a push came to shove, should we be
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  Speaker 2: talking about who gets access to fuel?
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  Speaker 1: Do we say, well, teachers are at the top of
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  Speaker 1: the list.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what about nurses, what about people who're going
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  Speaker 2: I mean during COVID, we were deemed to be essential workers.
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  Speaker 2: You know how the nation would have well, I know
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  Speaker 2: we were allowed, journalists were allowed to break curfews and
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  Speaker 2: all sorts of things in Victoria.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, would we be able to get fuel fers.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how you can make an argument that
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  Speaker 2: certain employment sectors get the first go at the fuel. No.
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  Speaker 6: Well, firstly, what I'll say is, when I read this
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  Speaker 6: article and I saw the term essential workers, it literally
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  Speaker 6: gave me shivers up my spine and as I thought
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  Speaker 6: to myself, not surely, surely we're not going back to
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  Speaker 6: this essential workers please. But you know the Teachers Union
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  Speaker 6: here are talking about people need to be given priority again.
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  Speaker 6: This just sounds like we're all lining up for our
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  Speaker 6: vaccines again when it comes to who's getting priority and
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  Speaker 6: who's not. Look, I completely disagree with this. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: who is going to decide who is an essential worker
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  Speaker 6: who deserves fuel more than the next person? What some
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  Speaker 6: bureaucrats sitting in an office making this decision. I think
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  Speaker 6: it's absolutely ludicrous. But just to your point, Caleb, in
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  Speaker 6: the end, right if it does, if push comes to
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  Speaker 6: shove and you can't get fuel, like the Teachers Union
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  Speaker 6: is suggesting, get the bus, get a train. You've got
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  Speaker 6: to go to work, right, You've got to earn a living.
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  Speaker 3: Somehow, figure it out. You're an adult. You will find
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  Speaker 3: a way to get from A to B.
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  Speaker 6: Now, I mean, hopefully it doesn't get to the point
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  Speaker 6: where there is fuel rationing and you have to make
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  Speaker 6: certain workers es central over others, because I think that's
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  Speaker 6: absolutely nonsense.
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  Speaker 3: But I worry that if the teachers'.
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  Speaker 6: Unions already coming out with these sorts of guidelines, then
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  Speaker 6: teachers are just going to say, oh, well, I'm backed
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  Speaker 6: up by the union. Therefore I don't have to rock
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  Speaker 6: up to work today because I can't put fuel in
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  Speaker 6: my car.
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  Speaker 5: Come on, now, I'm backing this one hundred percent. I
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  Speaker 5: think this is absolutely fantastic, and indeed it is where
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  Speaker 5: the teachers' unions should always have been in our last
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  Speaker 5: international crisis, when of course they couldn't wait to get
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  Speaker 5: out of.
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  Speaker 4: The classroom and fighting for the right. That's right where
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  Speaker 4: we had.
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  Speaker 5: The ridiculous situation where Queensland said, no, we're keeping schools open.
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  Speaker 5: They're all perfectly safe. There's no evidence that they're that
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  Speaker 5: they're not safe. In fact, they're safer than pretty much
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  Speaker 5: anywhere else in the community because young people kids were
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  Speaker 5: the least likely to be hurt by or spread COVID.
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  Speaker 5: And then the Teachers Union in Queensland had a little
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  Speaker 5: stop work meeting and suddenly the science was wrong.
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  Speaker 4: Amazing. They thought they just manifested a new reality.
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  Speaker 5: So I actually and we know what happened with the
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  Speaker 5: school closures. Belatedly, but finally, after people were railing about
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  Speaker 5: the potential impact of this. We know that thousands and
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  Speaker 5: thousands of kids, and it's still hard to quant by
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  Speaker 5: the exact number because you're quantifying something that has disappeared,
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  Speaker 5: that is not there. But we know that thousands and
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  Speaker 5: thousands of kids and the most at risk cohort. You
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  Speaker 5: can absolutely guarantee the ones who wouldn't have had parents
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  Speaker 5: that were able to homeschool them or do remote learning,
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  Speaker 5: who wouldn't have had parents who are the most diligent
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  Speaker 5: and insisting they go back and get back to normal
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  Speaker 5: after the whole catastrophe was over and they've disappeared out
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  Speaker 5: of the system. So you do want to keep schools opens.
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  Speaker 2: That because there's a run on fuel, we're going to
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  Speaker 2: end up with school closures and kids not getting any education.
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  Speaker 5: Surely, we just want to make sure that that doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 5: You just have to make sure that the schools stay
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  Speaker 5: open at all costs. Obviously you say get the bus
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  Speaker 5: or the train or whatever in the country.
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  Speaker 4: You just can't do that.
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  Speaker 3: Fearmongering by the unions, I mean, we haven't sure.
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  Speaker 5: It's opportunistic by the unions, which is in the UK,
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  Speaker 5: which is why I'm reminding them of their completely contradictory
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  Speaker 5: stance when it came to COVID.
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  Speaker 4: But teachers are essential.
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  Speaker 5: I love teachers, they are fantastic, and the unions when
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  Speaker 5: COVID came around should have been no, we're not going
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  Speaker 5: to We will stop at nothing to make sure we
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  Speaker 5: keep teaching our kids because it is the most important
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  Speaker 5: thing and.
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  Speaker 4: It is so easy. And we're actually seeing part of
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  Speaker 4: the reason we have.
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  Speaker 5: A fuel crisis in this country right now is because
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  Speaker 5: for years and years and years, if not decades, governments
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  Speaker 5: didn't think about the potential long term ramifications of their
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  Speaker 5: decision making.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's all just too hard.
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  Speaker 5: To do now, so we're going to just forget about it.
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  Speaker 5: And they thought about it with COVID as well as that,
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  Speaker 5: Oh it's too hard. I don't want to pick a
• 10:27
  Speaker 5: fight with the teacher's union. Let's just give them their
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  Speaker 5: way with scores and.
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  Speaker 6: Gets the dictor The point is who gets to dictate, right,
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  Speaker 6: who's here we go again, who is an essential worker
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  Speaker 6: and who is not? Can not possibly we cannot date
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  Speaker 6: because this is what some government bureaucrat is what you're saying,
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  Speaker 6: Joe gets a sick in a corner office and deems
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  Speaker 6: this person is essential.
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  Speaker 3: This person is essentially what.
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  Speaker 6: Take us back to two thousand and nineteen twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 5: That's right, and that is that is stage four if
• 10:52
  Speaker 5: we get to that. This is what the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 5: said in his statement after National Cabinet. This is what
• 10:57
  Speaker 5: everyone has agreed to, that that it is owned only
• 11:00
  Speaker 5: once fuel rationing has, you know, reached a real shortage.
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  Speaker 5: If there is any risk of a shortage to critical services,
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  Speaker 5: that they will be prioritized. And I am saying that
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  Speaker 5: teachers should be counted as a critical service along with
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  Speaker 5: well that's.
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  Speaker 6: What would I get it that because surely we have
• 11:18
  Speaker 6: moved on from the point of COVID where we're not
• 11:20
  Speaker 6: all sitting there working from home.
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  Speaker 3: Businesses are going bust.
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  Speaker 6: This person can't get from me to be I mean,
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  Speaker 6: we cannot possibly go back to those days again. And
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  Speaker 6: no wonder people have no trust in government, No wonder
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  Speaker 6: think about this.
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  Speaker 5: You'll be please to know, Danika, that governments of all
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  Speaker 5: persuasions are absolutely pulling out all stops to ensure it
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  Speaker 5: doesn't get to that, and heaven forbid, if it does that,
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  Speaker 5: there will be instant, hardline, immediate widespread action. That is
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  Speaker 5: why we have the Liquid Fuel Emergency Operations Center in Paramatter.
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  Speaker 5: We did being operated by being operated by the Great
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  Speaker 5: and Mighty and Patriotic Men's Labor Government, which has been
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  Speaker 5: very quick to act on this. The mysterious thing, however,
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  Speaker 5: is that the word emergency somehow disappeared from its name.
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  Speaker 5: The Daily Telegraph, God love it did a little, you know,
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  Speaker 5: a little sort of check in with the guys who
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  Speaker 5: are working hard down in Paramatter, and it found that
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  Speaker 5: the word emergency had mysteriously disappeared from its title.
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  Speaker 2: So, by the way, that's them working really hard on
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  Speaker 2: the emergency no longer.
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  Speaker 4: That's right.
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  Speaker 5: And apparently there was a lot of talk about lunch orders.
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  Speaker 5: And also, and this is the bit I love the
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  Speaker 5: most because it's a very high pressure, high stakes environment,
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  Speaker 5: also had some relaxing music playing. I think we've got
• 12:45
  Speaker 5: an artist's re enactment of that relaxing music just to
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  Speaker 5: share with you at home.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. See, you can imagine them sitting.
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  Speaker 4: There or relaxing one fuel crisis.
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  Speaker 2: Clocking into the job far calling up the service stations.
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: You know how many fuel? What's the price today?
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  Speaker 3: I'm in a trend.
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  Speaker 1: Let me know, let me know what's going on, and
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  Speaker 1: we'll sort it out.
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  Speaker 4: I have Wisabon and Gomez here to be serious.
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  Speaker 2: How So the emergency, the removal of emergency from the name,
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  Speaker 2: coincided last week with the Prime Minister giving his national
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  Speaker 2: address and saying, don't panic.
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: People have an icy ster, but don't.
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  Speaker 2: Do it, and they maybe take the bus, you know,
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  Speaker 2: every now and again, but it's okay, don't panic about it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, all of a sudden, emergency disappears from the lap.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we are in an emergency.
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  Speaker 6: Whatever I wonder, I wonder if it was a directive.
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  Speaker 6: I wonder if it was a directive, that it would
• 13:43
  Speaker 6: have come after Anthony. I'm very suspicious of this. Was
• 13:46
  Speaker 6: this a directive after Anthony? Albanezi gave that speech basically
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  Speaker 6: saying I know that this is hard times, but nobody panic,
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  Speaker 6: so they've gone. We better get rid of the word
• 13:54
  Speaker 6: emergency as to not panic people even further, even though
• 13:57
  Speaker 6: let's be honest, everybody is panicking because Albow has no
• 14:00
  Speaker 6: idea what he's doing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just very suspicious.
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  Speaker 5: As to why that name, because firstly, it's a state agency,
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  Speaker 5: and so.
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  Speaker 7: It doesn't matter the federal government would have no direct
• 14:11
  Speaker 7: line because they still talk.
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  Speaker 5: It would have to be it would have to be,
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  Speaker 5: you know it, would it be Chris Min's deciding that
• 14:16
  Speaker 5: he's going to do Albo a solid.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 5: I think conspiracy versus cock up, it's always the last.
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  Speaker 5: And the happy news is that after an inquiry from
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  Speaker 5: the Daily Telegraph the word emergency, he's.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly The other thing I find.
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  Speaker 6: The other thing that I find quite hilarious is this
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  Speaker 6: team was set up and I'm just going to quote
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  Speaker 6: here was established to quote establish relationships with thirty suppliers
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  Speaker 6: and independent distributors.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, are they are they sitting.
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  Speaker 6: Around with the as they foster these relationships, listening to
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  Speaker 6: that music and taking lunch orders?
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  Speaker 3: Is that? Is that how they're getting these people on board?
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  Speaker 2: Is that what the visit of making relationships? So Over
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  Speaker 2: in Western Australia, they called up the Big Fuel suppliers
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: and said, tell us how much fuel you've gotten, what
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: prices you're charging for it, and how much you got coming.
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  Speaker 1: They called up the Big six.
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  Speaker 2: Three of them gave them the details, the other three didn't,
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  Speaker 2: So they declared a state of emergency that word emergency
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  Speaker 2: and then compelled them to give the data over. This
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  Speaker 2: is why are we baggering around with some center in
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: paramatter where they make lunch orders and listened to twelve
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: hours of relaxing music, trying to build relationships just to
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  Speaker 2: clear a state of emergency.
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: We can't can't say the word image we have.
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  Speaker 6: The problem is that we've got states freelancing already, just
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  Speaker 6: like they did in COVID. States have gone rogue over
• 15:36
  Speaker 6: every man for them, for themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Over all the territory.
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  Speaker 2: They'll lock them up for two years that they price goaled.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I'm.
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: Suy that a look they're doing a great job means
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: is a superstar. These guys are quick to add to
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  Speaker 5: set up before anyone else. I reckon it was just
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: because they changed they changed the name to from the
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: Liquid Fuel Emergency Operations Center to the Liquid Fuel and
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: Energy Operations Center. So I think it was just an
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: innocent case of dyslexia.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: I don't believe down.
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: I just spelled emergency e n.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: These paper look, you just you just can't now.
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: Look, I know that the two are going to be
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: very interested in this next story. If you like a
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: bevy or two or three, I've got some really bad
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: news for you, because the Iran War is coming after
• 16:20
  Speaker 6: your beers. Yes, industry experts worn that pubs could soon
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: be selling a pint for fifteen dollars, although I'm pretty
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: sure that many actually do already sell.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Them for that price. It's actually actually a good thing.
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: And now the beer and wine industries they're facing soaring costs,
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: they say, not only they're going to probably likely have
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: to pass on that cost to consumers. They could even
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: have to cut back on casual stuff. Now there is
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: a freeze on drought beer. It's an excise in place
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: though draft draft.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Sorry drought, I'm sorry, non drinking drought beer is.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: Okay, I do know that word.
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: I promise they may be the dunce as they always do,
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: these two, But.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Will you the one that they did it?
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Can I just get this sentence that they will not prevent.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: After last night you went on about the bloody nursing home.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: You get away brown nursing home.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: What the hell is a being of the four o'clock
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: early birds.
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: Caleb's coming for your nursing homes along with his fifteen
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: dollar pints. Now, look, will not be preventing the price
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: this this excise.
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: I'm just going to try and get this out one
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: more time.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: The excise, the freeze on the exercise that is in place.
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: Experts say that this will have absolutely no impact at all.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: But look, I think this is a.
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: Worry to be honest, moving forward because they even believe
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: that there won't even be enough barley and wheat harvested
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: come September to fuel up supplies. And yeah, but we've
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: been talking a lot about the parallels with OVID tonight.
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: Now there are a lot of businesses that are still reeling,
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: still feeling the effects from COVID, particularly the hospitality industry.
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: I mean you look in Melbourne, there were so many
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: pubs and restaurants that shut up shop during that time,
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: and now they're going to have to either put up
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: their prices or they're going to have to cut back
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: on casual stuff. And they're also saying that people aren't
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: going out as much because people are trying to save
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: as much money.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: This is a worry. I think it's a genuine concern.
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: What is happening to industry again and it is feeling
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: like it did in the past.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, virtually.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: I mean I never I'm the worst way before COVID,
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: way before anything. I just such a hermit these days
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: only come. I only leave the house for work, basically,
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: But I did. Speaking of which had to go and
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: interview my bestie Sarah Harris, and we did the interview
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: for the Sunday Telegraph, which just ran, and we chose
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: a great just one of the best pubs in the
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: world by country mile, just a normal pub in the
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Rocks called the Harborview Hotel. Spectacle like it says. You know,
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: it does what it says on the tin. You know,
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: it's got amazing views. It's right right on the edge.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: You've got you've got the bridge literally sort of looming
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: over you. It is the most you know, jaw dropping,
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: you know, breathtaking locale like it. And it's just a
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: great pub, great food and everything. It was half empty,
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: like there was it was, there was hardly an it
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: was I mean, it seemed to be doing all right,
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: but there are a few tourists who obviously sort of wandered.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: I just thought, how is this joint? And it was look,
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: it's the middle of weak lunchtime, But honestly thought, how
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: is this joint not packed to the rafters?
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: And then they can't really pass the cost onto the
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: consumer because the consumer is.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Doing it tough as it is.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Now I'm sorry, we're going to interrupt the fascinating talk
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: about the price of beer, which is of course an
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: important issue. But an update now on those reported strikes
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: on carg Island and the Persian Gulf. Donald Trump, the
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: President of the United States, of course, has released an
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: incredible post on true social minutes ago. He wrote, a
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I don't want that to happen, but it probably will. However,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: now that we have complete and total regime change, where different,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: smarter and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionary wonderful
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: can happen. Who knows, We will find out tonight one
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: of the most important moments in the long and complex
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: history of the world. Forty seven years of extortion, corruption
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: and death will finally end. God bless the great people
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: of Iran. And this is as Fox News reports that
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: the United States has carried out dozens of strikes against
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: military targets. It's spoken to a senior US official who's
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: confirmed that Iran state media reports of strikes on the
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: vital Iranian energy hub. And of course, still hours before
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: that deadline that Trump set for the reopening of the
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Strait of Hormuz, but there is movement now.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I just want to go back to that post.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: From Donald Trump and the beginning of it where he
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: says that a whole civilization will die tonight, never to
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: be brought back again. What do we suppose he means
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: by that he's wiping up pose? Is he referring to
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: the entirety of Iran in that post, referrec.
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: To the entire history of Persian civilization? And he is
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: speaking directly to the Iranian people who so far have
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: not come out in numbers because they're too scared to
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: try to overthrow the regime, because he knows that the
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: US cannot do it with its own troops. The only
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: way this regime gets toppled and it stops firing back
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: and it opens the straight up homors is if there
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: is a revolution from within, and that hasn't happened, despite
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: Israel and the US clear expecting it to. Now, like
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: I said earlier, saying you know, we're just going to
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: bomb you and kill you more is not going to
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: make any difference to a scatological theocracy that believes that
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: the end of the world is coming and a guy
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: called Mardy is going to ride in on his great
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: white horse and it will be the world's ultimate battle
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: between infidels and the righteous, and this will sort out
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: who goes to Paradise and not. So you can't again,
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: it's like negotiating with it. It's like saying, take off
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: that suicide vesta, I'll shoot. It's like, come on, mate,
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: you sound.
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: Like you're suggesting that he's going to just wipe out
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: innocent and I'm surely he's not going to do that.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: He's doing he's trying to say.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: So the tension, you're right, is between this Persian population
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: and this Arab or very Arab influenced fundamentalist.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: I realize that, but he's not going to go and
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: kill a whole innocent We're not talking innocent civilians here.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: I even wonder saying if you don't.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: If you don't do something, if you don't rise up,
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: or if the moderates in charge don't get rid of
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: the old guys, that is what he will do.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: That is what he is threatning.
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: I think he's also he's basically saying this to the rage,
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: it's now or never. If you do not lay down
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: your arms tonight, if you do not surrender, if you
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: do not put an end to this, you're gone. And
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: he's already and we didn't know the exact numbers of
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: how many of the regime that he had taken out.
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: He did say over the weekend that there were at
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: least I think he said about fifty that had been
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: taken out, So we still don't know the exact numbers.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: But I mean they're on their knees as it is.
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: I mean, the regime is gasping for air at this point.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: But to me, that statement is this is it.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: It's now or never.
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: He's basically I mean, he's given multiple ultimatums. I don't
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: know how much more clear he could possibly make them,
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: but this is it.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: There's no going back after tonight.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: He's trying to do so, he's trying to give the
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: rag so the regime is still actually in charge self.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Effact, but they need to stand out basically, So.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: What he is trying to do is give cover to
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: the people who are now in charge and saying, right,
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: I am going to treat you as a new regime.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: I am going to say, for the sake of saving face,
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: but also for the sake of cutting a deal. But
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: in fact, there has been new regime change, even though
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: the regime is self evidently still operating, and it's operating
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: under pre existing plans for a decentralization of command, so
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: local commanders of the IG can just go and carry
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: on fighting even if their commander in Tehran has been taken.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Out right, and that this is what they are doing.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: What he is saying to the.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: New guys, including the speaker of the parliament is probably
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: the most senior one now, is all right, I'm going
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: to you know, sucking up to them basically and saying, right,
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: there's total regime change. You guys are moderates. These are
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: the guys he pretends that he's been talking to or
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: says that he's been talking to. They say they haven't
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: been talking to him. But whatever they're saying, look, I
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: will give you you know, I will give you credit
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: for cutting a deal, for being a new good regime, right,
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: and if you don't do this right, the bargaining chip
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: of will just take out your entire military, take out
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: your new facilities, take out your whole army. Again, that
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: just doesn't work for them because they're insane. The one
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: thing that might work saying I will wipe out thousands
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: of years of Persian.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Civilizing, and he puts him in a position where if
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: it has too correct correct, if the regime does nothing,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: he then has to follow through on that.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Otherwise it is taco.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Trump always chickens out at the grandest scale.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: And if he does follow through.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: On a threat like that, if Iran calls his bluff,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: he will lose so much domestic support for doing so,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: because it's very hard to justify, you know, wiping out,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: as he says, a whole civilization.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is a moment.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump is basically staking his entire presidency on this
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: post on truth social and if he follows through on it,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: there is untold hell that will break leaft.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: And the other thing is the fact that basically now
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: we have this confirmation that it was indeed the US
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: that struck carg Island tonight.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: He's giving them a snippet. He's saying, this.
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: Is I'm starting it now, this is exactly what I'm
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: about to do, and on a much much biggest, biggest way.
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: Military He's still here, I know that, But what I'm
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: saying is he's giving them a snippet and he's going
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: to go big and he's going to go bold. Now,
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: I just want to pick up on that point there.
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: It's fascinating that you reckon that he is banking his
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: entire presidents on the presidency on this. Don't forget the
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: midterms are coming up this year, like this could go
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: either way. If this could be an absolute disaster for
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: the Republicans, because there are a lot within that magabase
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: that have enough. And that's why he gave that speech
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: the other day that was basically, stick with me.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I understand your frustrations, but stick with me.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: But there's a lot of rumblings within MAGA right now,
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: a lot of rumblings.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: So if.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Almost no more forever was and when you start talking
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: about wiping out civilizations, you're not just going in and
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: doing a clean Akam will out within a month. You're
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: talking about operations to potentially go on for a very
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: long time.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: And the United.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: States has failed every single time it has tried to
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: do that. Every time it's taken boots on the ground
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: and it's gone into Afghanistan, it's going into Iraq.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: It's never worked.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Well. I mean that happened with the Golf War.
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: I think it was with the golf where they they
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: failed the first one that they just failed there. So
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: I wonder if Donald Trump is saying we cannot have
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: those the first one I.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: Left Sadama say to charge and then had to go
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: back and double dip. But the but they got them
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: out of Kuwait, which was the objective of the first one.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: But again the US and the same with Vietnam.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: As well, the US is not good at what they've
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: got asymmetrical warfare.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Right if you if these these.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: Guys are doing Terehran is doing exactly what the Vietcong did,
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: which is not to beat America in a fair fight
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: or a pitch battle, because there's no way they can
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: do that. And a pitch battle, you know, like against
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: another state in Germany in the Second World War, whatever,
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: the US always always, always always wins because there's just
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: bigger it's stronger, it's got nukes of christ say they
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: what they want to do. And what the VC did
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: as well, and what the others did is you just
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: make the cost of winning too high to be politically
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: acceptable for a domestic constituency of the president. So the
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: president says, exactly like what you said to I could
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: actually win this if I wanted to, but I would
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: then lose the midterm elections or I'd lose office.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: The difference has been.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: And again, this is the argument they had in Vietnam
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: as well, with napalm or doing sorties into North Vietnam.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: What if the US doesn't play nice, what if it
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: doesn't abide by the rules of war. What if it
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: doesn't you know, it doesn't you know, pull back when
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: it comes to civilians. Civilians die, of course in great
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: numbers anyway, But what if it just says, screw it,
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: We're actually going to now consider this power station a
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: military target, though we know that it's staffed entirely by civilians.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: And that is what Trump is threatening. And I think
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: he is hoping that if they wouldn't listen to anything else,
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: I'm going to do. And this is what he does
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: all the time. I'm going to do madmon diplomacy. I
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: am just going to make people think I am just
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: one crazy mofo who doesn't play by the rules, who
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: doesn't care about what you could normally set your watch too,
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: that the Americans will eventually pull back or whatever and
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: just go absolutely crazy.
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: And well, I just wonder who's calling who's bluff at
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: this point, Well, I.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Think who is it? Which side is calling for?
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: Who he is?
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: What he is trying to do is get the moderates,
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: inasmuch as there are any to panic and say, right,
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: we've actually got to stop this because this guy's crazy,
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: or just put the people themselves to.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: Think I'm going to die anyway.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: And again, if you've got a revolution, so maybe up
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: to eighty thousand people have been killed in the demonstrations
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: so far this year. And again, this is the thing
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: about revolutions. They don't happen because you'd like a better
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: way of life, or you'd like you know, you've read
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: a book and it's inspired you to go on march
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: in the street. Your life has to be pretty much
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: not worth living. You have to pretty much think I'm
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: going to die anyway, so I might as well die
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: fighting and so Trump is is giving that level of
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: you know. And this is why I was saying to
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: the great people of Iran, to the great people of Iran,
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: you know right.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: And this has always been one of the problems with
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: trying to achieve regime change via an uprising in Iran
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: is that compared to a lot of other countries in
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: the region, it is you considerably prosperous. And so even
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: though people live under oppression and they may not be
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: happy with the regime that they have, they're doing it
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: a lot better than plenty of other countries in the
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Middle East. And so actually getting to that point, as
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: you say, of saying, okay, now is the time to
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: stage the uprising in.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: The coup, you need a serious threat over.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: They were doing better. But this is the thing.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: The reason why there were these the biggest uprisings this
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: year than had ever been seen since since the Arab
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: Spring then the Green Revolution of years ago, is because
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: the economy was tanking, and the president famously said, it's
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: not my fault, right this he went to a unit.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: It's an unbelievable I may imagine imagine the stick that
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: you'd be giving albow if he just said that Oh, it's.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: Nothing to do with me. It's not my fault. There's
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: nothing I can do. And that is why.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: And this was the same thing that the same thing
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: that preceded the nineteen seventy nine revolution where the aetoler
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: came to power. The ie Toler wasn't the mainstream guy was.
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: It was economic pressures in the corruption of the Shah,
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: and people wanted more and more democracy. There was a
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: liberal prime minister who had just been put in who
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: looked like he was going to carry over. And has
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: happened exactly with the Russian Revolution, the same thing. These
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: extremists just take over because they don't follow the rules,
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: because they're prepared to kill more people, threaten more people,
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: be more extreme, and never ever, ever ever stop.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: And so and that.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: Happened in the Russian Revolution, happened revolutions seventy nine and
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: the same thing again. So those economic conditions had been
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: getting worse in Iran already when the war broke out.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Guess what the inflation rate is in Iran right now?
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: More than fifty percent.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: Wow, So we think five percent, well, we're all ruined.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: They are dealing with fifty percent. So again, if they
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: think I can't afford to live. I can't afford to
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: feed my family, and Trump's gonna bomb me. I might
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: as well try to turn I might as well try
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: to do something.
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: But I just think this statement, a whole civil civilization
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: will die tonight, never to be brought back again.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: I don't want that to happen, but it probably will.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: I mean, I don't ever think we just got up
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: on our screen again. I don't ever think we have
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: heard a leader of the world ever post something not
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: like that. That is an extraordinary statement. I wonder tomorrow morning,
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: when we wake up here in Australia, what will happen
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: between now and tomorrow morning. I mean, where is this going?
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: How big is it going to be? And we have
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: seen in the past. You remember a couple of weeks ago,
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: Donald Trump made a real threat to Iran, and I
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: can't remember specifically what it was for, but it brought
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: Iran back to the drawing board, and Iran actually tried
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: to re enter negotiations.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: But the but this is the issue. You can't trust
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: the Iranian regime. So either Trump goes all in, well.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: He was the last flowing up carg Island.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: Iran said, so obviously had said the exact same things
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: he's saying now, which is, we will unless you come
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: unless you open the straight by xxx.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: But is that Iran came back to.
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: The they did?
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: He even.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Said they did, but always said we never did.
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: Yes, Joe, That's what I'm saying, is that they don't
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: come back to the table.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: So this is why what will Trump do tonight?
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: Because in the end, he's negotiating with nobody at the moment,
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: he is calling the shots. So either he does this
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: tonight or how long is this going to drag on for?
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: But if he goes in and he goes a whole civilization,
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: then he has to know that there is no going
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: back from whatever the heck he does tonight. That if
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: he actually does that, And that's the thing, so that
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: falling who's bluff.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: If you're making that threat, it's a hell.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Of a threat to not follow through on, and you
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: basically prove yourself impotent if you don't follow, and then
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: you've got no crew to being going.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: That's right, And that's why he had to say that
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: the Iranians he'd called off the previous deadline because the
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: Iranians had come to the table, even though it seems
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: pretty clear now that in fact they had not, but
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: that he needed just to play a card this time.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: He's just decided to up the stakes so much on
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: the assumption that again it all comes back to the
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: Iranian people and any moderate factions within the regime who think,
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: you know what, even off the risk of him doing
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: this and actually going through is so bad that we
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: actually have to do so for that.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Is the difference.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Indeed, anymore on this we will have for you after
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: the break, as well as what is on the front
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: of tomorrow's newspapers, including Labor mysteriously removing the idea of
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: the renewable energy target from its next election platform.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Don't go away.
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: More on this statement from the President of the United States,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump will cross to our reporter in the US,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Curzley.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Jonathan, thank you for joining me.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: An extraordinary statement on truth social from the President talking
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: about wiping out a civilization. What's been the immediate reaction
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: in the US.
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: Or the immediate reaction, Caleb is to look at the timeline.
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: Now we are less than twelve hours away until President
• 35:49
  Speaker 9: Trump's deadline on Iran expires. He had already warned that
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: bridges the power plants, civilian infrastructure would be struck if
• 35:57
  Speaker 9: a deal.
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: Is not done.
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: And now we have this extraordinary statement that says that
• 36:02
  Speaker 9: President Trump, a whole civilization will die tonight, never to
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: be brought back again. He says, I don't want that
• 36:08
  Speaker 9: to happen, but it probably will.
• 36:10
  Speaker 8: He goes on to.
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: Say, However, now that we have complete and total regime change,
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: where different, smarter and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionary,
• 36:19
  Speaker 9: wonderful can happen.
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: Who knows.
• 36:20
  Speaker 9: We will find out tonight one of the most important
• 36:23
  Speaker 9: moments in the long and complex history of the world.
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: Forty seven years of extortion, corruption and death will finally end.
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: God bless the great people of Iran.
• 36:32
  Speaker 9: Clearly, President Trump is still holding out hope that a
• 36:36
  Speaker 9: deal can be struck at the eleventh hour, averting yet
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: further military strikes in what would be a significant escalation
• 36:44
  Speaker 9: in this conflict. Caleb, We've obviously heard the reports through
• 36:49
  Speaker 9: Reuters and CNN, which is citing a US official that
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: says the United States has carried out strikes on Haig Island,
• 36:54
  Speaker 9: that is Iran's major oil hub, responsible for some ninety.
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: Percent of its oil flow through that region.
• 37:01
  Speaker 9: It is a significant region, and President Trump has long
• 37:06
  Speaker 9: said he has kept the oil pipelines in tax and
• 37:08
  Speaker 9: we won't see exactly just what the United States has struck,
• 37:12
  Speaker 9: but clearly going after the Hag Island infrastructure itself before
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: this deadline even expires is sending a message to the
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: Iranian regime once again. President Trump has claimed that regime
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: change has been carried out, even though that the Ayatoler
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: who was now in charge the supreme Leader, we still
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: haven't seen or heard from him physically through voice or video,
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: but he is the son of the late Ayatoler, so
• 37:37
  Speaker 9: essentially it is still the same regime.
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: But the President believes that whoever they.
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: Are negotiating with through mediators, they are dealing so in
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: good faith, still holding out hope that somehow a deal
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: can be struct to end this conflict and reopen the
• 37:52
  Speaker 9: strait of hor moves. But as we tick closer down
• 37:54
  Speaker 9: to the deadline, which is ten am Australia at Eastern time,
• 37:57
  Speaker 9: it'll be eight pm on the US East Coast to
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: night local time, it is less than twelve hours away.
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: But President Trump's message.
• 38:05
  Speaker 9: Is very serious indeed, because while it holds out hope,
• 38:08
  Speaker 9: he is also saying at the same time that it
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: is his view as it stands now, that the United
• 38:14
  Speaker 9: States will carry out a serious wave of attacks. Remember
• 38:18
  Speaker 9: yesterday too, he'd said that their entire infrastructure around bridges
• 38:22
  Speaker 9: and power plants could be demolished in just four hours,
• 38:25
  Speaker 9: and already we're seeing strikes on Hag Island itself. So
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: once again, Caleb, the president warning that tonight an entire
• 38:32
  Speaker 9: civilization will die unless a deal.
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: Can be struck.
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: That is an extraordinary statement in and of itself. There
• 38:40
  Speaker 9: are going to be a number of high level meetings today.
• 38:43
  Speaker 9: President Trump is holding a policy meeting at the White House,
• 38:46
  Speaker 9: and a matter of hours and then an hour before
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: that deadline is due to expire, he's going to be
• 38:51
  Speaker 9: hosting a.
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: Dinner with the Indian ambassadors.
• 38:53
  Speaker 9: So it'll be very interesting to watch this space over
• 38:56
  Speaker 9: the course of the coming hours and see what more
• 38:58
  Speaker 9: detail we get about the President's thinking, whether we are
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: going to see him publicly. But right now, Caleb, the
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: clock is ticking down in what could be an incredibly
• 39:06
  Speaker 9: serious escalation in this conflict.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Jonathan, it's Danika.
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: We have heard threat after threat in recent weeks by
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: Donald Trump, but this statement, as you described, it is extraordinary.
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: A whole civilization will die tonight. We've never ever heard
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: that from.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: A leader before.
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: How will that be perceived by his base? Given there
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: are already a number of rumblings inside MAGA about going
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: to war.
• 39:38
  Speaker 9: This is one of the serious domestic issues that President
• 39:40
  Speaker 9: Trump has been contending with. Here's of the view that
• 39:43
  Speaker 9: Poles are indicating his Magabase is with him. But the
• 39:46
  Speaker 9: United States population, when you look at poll after poll
• 39:50
  Speaker 9: after poll, wants the United States out of this conflict.
• 39:54
  Speaker 9: It does not want to be dragged into what there
• 39:56
  Speaker 9: was called the forever wars that President Trump had campaigned
• 39:59
  Speaker 9: say he would not go into. What is going to
• 40:02
  Speaker 9: affect Americans in the long term. Out of all of
• 40:05
  Speaker 9: this is going to be economic issues, and as we
• 40:07
  Speaker 9: get closer to the midterms, it is going to be
• 40:09
  Speaker 9: those economic issues that are going to be weighing front
• 40:12
  Speaker 9: of mind, and it is going to be the economic
• 40:14
  Speaker 9: issues that Americans are going to vote on. Their cost
• 40:17
  Speaker 9: of living pressures, the price of petrol here in the
• 40:19
  Speaker 9: United States, which has already climbed despite the United States
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: having its own reserves. The President has maintained he wanted
• 40:27
  Speaker 9: to be out of this conflict within four to six weeks.
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: He's tried to find a way out.
• 40:32
  Speaker 9: He's tried to find a path out, saying that he
• 40:35
  Speaker 9: would essentially just take the US military out of the operation,
• 40:39
  Speaker 9: that the Strait of hor Moves would just reopen itself.
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: But yesterday the Strait of Hormons was back at the centerpiece.
• 40:44
  Speaker 9: What there is now is a certain level of confusion
• 40:48
  Speaker 9: among the American public about what exactly the goals are
• 40:52
  Speaker 9: of this mission. It started out as humanitarian and regime change,
• 40:55
  Speaker 9: and then it changed to military objectives, and then it
• 40:58
  Speaker 9: changed to the Strait of Hormoves oil, and then.
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: That was off the table, and then it was back
• 41:02
  Speaker 8: on the table.
• 41:03
  Speaker 9: So there are now many Americans going to be asking
• 41:06
  Speaker 9: what is America's focus in this what does the President
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: ultimately want to achieve? And yesterday he gave his strongest
• 41:13
  Speaker 9: indication yet in his mind, he wants the oil. He
• 41:17
  Speaker 9: wants to be able to seize the Strait of Hormuz.
• 41:20
  Speaker 9: He wants to be able to seize Hag Island and
• 41:23
  Speaker 9: have oil in American possession similar to what he had
• 41:26
  Speaker 9: in Venezuela, only this time around Denika. This is a
• 41:31
  Speaker 9: much different circumstance in a region that has been very
• 41:35
  Speaker 9: difficult to contend.
• 41:37
  Speaker 8: With for decades now.
• 41:39
  Speaker 9: So the oil is significant, it is vital to the
• 41:42
  Speaker 9: flow of global economies. But right now it is this
• 41:46
  Speaker 9: conflict that is shaping those economies. It is America's involvement
• 41:50
  Speaker 9: in this conflict, prolonged as it may be for however
• 41:54
  Speaker 9: long it lasts, could have very damaging effects on Western
• 41:58
  Speaker 9: economies around the world, including Australia.
• 41:59
  Speaker 8: The International Monetary Fund warned yesterday.
• 42:02
  Speaker 9: Even if this conflict ends immediately, there is going to
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: be prolonged pain. There is going to be higher inflation,
• 42:08
  Speaker 9: there is going to be slower economic growth. And this
• 42:10
  Speaker 9: is a president who looks at financial markets, he looks
• 42:13
  Speaker 9: at money issues, he looks at financial issues, and right
• 42:16
  Speaker 9: now he is also looking to military objectives, military goals.
• 42:20
  Speaker 9: The Pentagon obviously advising him very closely, keeping options open
• 42:23
  Speaker 9: for him. But this is a very very delicate situation
• 42:27
  Speaker 9: now because the longer this conflict goes on for the
• 42:30
  Speaker 9: United States, well, the more.
• 42:32
  Speaker 8: Prolonged the economic pain is going to be for.
• 42:33
  Speaker 9: The world, but also the greater the political risk for
• 42:37
  Speaker 9: the president. And when you look to the midterms at
• 42:39
  Speaker 9: the later part of this year, in November, or the
• 42:42
  Speaker 9: more damaging it could be to Republicans in the.
• 42:45
  Speaker 8: House and in the Senate.
• 42:47
  Speaker 9: And that ultimately boils down to what support can the
• 42:52
  Speaker 9: president maintain inside his own movement that he created, That
• 42:57
  Speaker 9: Maga movement, that grassroots move is going to be central
• 43:01
  Speaker 9: now in the thinking on how the country moves forward politically.
• 43:05
  Speaker 8: But you are looking at a poised situation now where we're.
• 43:08
  Speaker 9: Less than twelve hours until President Trump's deadline expires, and
• 43:11
  Speaker 9: right now he's threatening to wipe out an entire civilization.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: Jonathan, it's Joe here, masterfully summed up, made in what
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: is a very difficult situation to even get your head around,
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: let alone express it. And this I think goes to
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: the heart of it. As you say, Donald Trump has
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: made these threats before, he has backed out of those threats,
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: appeared to construct a level of negotiations with Iran that
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: there is no evidence of actually existing. There may be
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: some intermediaries and go betweens, especially Pakistan, talking to both sides,
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: but no talks between the two actual warring parties. If
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: and again he has to say face as well, and
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: then he's got to placade his base if that deadline passes,
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: If Teyran, as it has in the past, just basically says,
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: if you we've got nothing to lose, We're prepared to
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: die in defense of our country, You're not. Does he
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: actually go through with this threat? And then if he
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: does go through with it, what is the impact a
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: on the global energy market, because surely it would just
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: make it worse if Iran digs in and be again
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: on his own base, because you know, if you're saying
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: you're going to finish something, chances are you are in
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: fact just starting another forever more.
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: Well, I think this is one of the aspects that
• 44:31
  Speaker 9: his face is going to be looking at too.
• 44:32
  Speaker 8: Is is he going to follow through on his word?
• 44:34
  Speaker 9: Because this deadline has already been extended from ten days
• 44:38
  Speaker 9: or so ago to yesterday, then through until today, and
• 44:42
  Speaker 9: yesterday President Trump was saying that this is Iran's final chance.
• 44:46
  Speaker 8: So if there is no deal in Iran.
• 44:48
  Speaker 9: Is also showing its capabilities to continue striking golf states
• 44:51
  Speaker 9: it has made threats and described President Trump's threats against
• 44:57
  Speaker 9: Iran as essentially laughable.
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: The Iranian Revolutionary.
• 45:02
  Speaker 9: Guard is trying to maintain a firm public face for
• 45:06
  Speaker 9: its own people. They are dealing with their own domestic
• 45:09
  Speaker 9: issues there. There have been reports that the regime has
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: been arming children, lining them with as human soldiers around
• 45:18
  Speaker 9: a significant pieces of infrastructure. But the president right now
• 45:23
  Speaker 9: faces a very difficult decision. This was something that he
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: thought could be swift, thought could be quick, but it
• 45:30
  Speaker 9: is proving far more difficult in carrying out the objectives
• 45:34
  Speaker 9: the United States wants to do. Yes, it's caused significant
• 45:36
  Speaker 9: damage to its nuclear ambitions, its missile capabilities.
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: But as we saw with the shooting.
• 45:42
  Speaker 9: Down of the US aircraft jet on Friday local time,
• 45:46
  Speaker 9: while there is still capability there, there is still anti
• 45:49
  Speaker 9: aircraft missiles available that the Trump administration had said they
• 45:53
  Speaker 9: didn't have. So the president faces a very difficult decision
• 45:56
  Speaker 9: now if he decides to carry through with these strikes
• 46:00
  Speaker 9: if there is no deal. Yes, he is following through
• 46:02
  Speaker 9: on his word, a word he gave to the American people,
• 46:05
  Speaker 9: a word he gave to the Magabase, his.
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: Own people, his own supporters.
• 46:10
  Speaker 9: But at the same time he runs a significant risk
• 46:13
  Speaker 9: of plunging global economies into further crisis. Yes, they're dealing
• 46:17
  Speaker 9: with a terrorist regime that the world wants rid of.
• 46:20
  Speaker 9: The world largely wants rid of. So many Western countries
• 46:24
  Speaker 9: are in support of that very movement, and.
• 46:25
  Speaker 8: Americans are largely too.
• 46:27
  Speaker 9: But what they would not be in support of is
• 46:30
  Speaker 9: a prolonged conflict that is going.
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: To see global energy prices spike.
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: That is going to have an impact on their own
• 46:35
  Speaker 9: cost of living pressures here in the United States of America.
• 46:39
  Speaker 9: So it is a balancing act now for the president
• 46:41
  Speaker 9: if there is no deal, and as it stands now,
• 46:44
  Speaker 9: I don't see how there can be one. Because Ran
• 46:47
  Speaker 9: yesterday was saying it had rejected a forty five day
• 46:50
  Speaker 9: Ceaspara had put forward.
• 46:51
  Speaker 8: Ten demands of its own.
• 46:53
  Speaker 9: There has been very strong language coming out of senior
• 46:55
  Speaker 9: figures inside the Iranian leadership or what is left of it,
• 47:00
  Speaker 9: to the fact that they are essentially in this for
• 47:02
  Speaker 9: the fight, Because for the regime, this is the fight
• 47:06
  Speaker 9: of their lives. This is the fight of their existence, Jared,
• 47:08
  Speaker 9: And so that's what they are facing now. It is
• 47:12
  Speaker 9: essentially an existential threat to their existence.
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: But what President Trump is sending as a message to the.
• 47:18
  Speaker 9: Iranian regime and to the American people into the world
• 47:21
  Speaker 9: is if there isn't anything, well, the United States will
• 47:23
  Speaker 9: carry through its most significant wave of strikes yet. But
• 47:26
  Speaker 9: those strikes could have far lasting impacts on global economies,
• 47:31
  Speaker 9: on domestic political pressures, and on.
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: A very fragile region as a whole.
• 47:36
  Speaker 9: There's been a lot of talk about trying to reshape
• 47:38
  Speaker 9: the Middle East provide a new order. Iran believes it's
• 47:41
  Speaker 9: doing that on one front. The United States and Israel
• 47:44
  Speaker 9: believe they're doing that on another, trying to bring in
• 47:46
  Speaker 9: the Gulf States as supporters.
• 47:48
  Speaker 8: Cutter was a mediator.
• 47:50
  Speaker 9: It's stepped back a little bit because of the strikes
• 47:53
  Speaker 9: Iran has been carrying out on it. This is now
• 47:56
  Speaker 9: a fractured and delicate region and a poised position in
• 48:01
  Speaker 9: this conflict.
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: So the hours ahead, they're.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Going to be telling Jonathan Kurzy thank you for joining us,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: of course in the morning your time in Washington, DC,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: and stay tuned to go and use any more updates
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: on this story, we will have them for you now.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Before we finish the program tonight, let's quickly whip through
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: some of the other news that will be happening in
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Australia tomorrow on the front pages.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Janiki, you have the Australian I do.
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: Are you fascinating one on the top in the odds
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: renewables goal off ALP platform. Labor has dropped references to
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: its eighty two percent renewables target in a preliminary draft
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: of the national policy platform it will take to the
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: next election, due in twenty twenty eight, but is vowing
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: to use wind and solar power to bring down electricity
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: prices and reindustrialize Australia, while blaming.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Coal for grid unreliability.
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: Well, gie, wouldn't we love to have a little bit
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: of coal in the grid right now to actually stabilize
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: the system. But no, we're persisting on this renewables only fantasy.
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: But also there Canavan calls for economic revolution. Nationals leader
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: Matt Canavan has demanded an economic revolution that could permanently
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: slap tariffs on imports to protect key industries under a
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: contentious plan that would close Australia's borders to mass migration.
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: And he'll use a speech for the National Press Club
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: today Wednesday rather tomorrow to call for it.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: And of course, also on the front page of The
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: Australia is the story that we thought would be the
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: biggest story in the country when we all woke up
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: tomorrow and that is the arrest and charging of Ben
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: Robert Smith, the most decorated war hero in Australian history,
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: and the OZ headlines across the full a column simply
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: says now the time of trial, Australia's most celebrated soldier,
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: Ben Robert Smith spent the night in silver Water Jail
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  Speaker 5: and faces a life behind bars if convicted on five
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  Speaker 5: counts of murder in a historic war crimes trial that
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: could become one of the most consequential in the nation's
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: history and lead to further charges against former Sas soldiers.
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  Speaker 5: And an incredible bit of coverage they've got, as you
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  Speaker 5: can see with the picture, but they've got the picture
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  Speaker 5: of him being arrested by the cops at the airport. God,
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  Speaker 5: you'd be a brave copper to want to take Ben Robbins.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, who do I have?
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  Speaker 3: Well, look at the high difference and the difference.
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  Speaker 5: So they've got that as the custody thing. But the
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  Speaker 5: OS has also noted the courage for which he was
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  Speaker 5: awarded the Victoria Cross, so it's just an incredible story. Again,
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: The Canberra Times is also led with it war crimes
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  Speaker 5: arrest Australia's most decorated living soldier Ben Robert Smith arrested
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  Speaker 5: by Australian Federal Police at Sydney Airport yesterday and again
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  Speaker 5: the Newcastle Herald carrying the exact same headline with the
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  Speaker 5: exact same words and and they're obviously putting the house
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  Speaker 5: on that as all, and the Herald's son as well,
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: of course, has has splashed on it as well.
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  Speaker 1: Can I just say?
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  Speaker 2: And of course it will now be up to prosecutors
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  Speaker 2: to try and prove this in courtant will be up
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  Speaker 2: to the courts to make a decision on whether or
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  Speaker 2: not this is true. You are innocent until proven guilty,
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  Speaker 2: notwithstanding the fact that this has been through a defamation
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  Speaker 2: trial but obviously under a lower burden of proof found
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  Speaker 2: that he had committed war crimes.
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  Speaker 1: Who cares? Really?
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  Speaker 2: We train these guys up to go overseas and fight
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  Speaker 2: for Australia. We put them in situations that we would
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: never want to be in. And when you are at war,
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: where your job in many cases is to kill people,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: sometimes bad things happen. And we're going to tear ourselves
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: up in Australia over whether or not a VC recipient
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  Speaker 2: may or may not have killed some people that he
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have do you.
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  Speaker 1: Reckon in Afghanistan.
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  Speaker 2: They're that worried about other soldiers that they may have
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: captured done stuff too.
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  Speaker 5: The difference here is that it's his former comrade ads
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  Speaker 5: who have blown the whistle on this and who have
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  Speaker 5: come forward and said that they were not at all
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  Speaker 5: comfortable with what had happened. So it is other soldiers,
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  Speaker 5: and I've spoken to one former prominent former soldier who
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: I won't name, but who said this idea that he
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: is somehow typical of Australian soldiery and that we're casting
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  Speaker 5: aspersions on all of them.
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  Speaker 4: Is absolute bollocks.
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  Speaker 5: His behavior was seen by his brothers in arms as
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: being a borring and that is why they came forward
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: in vast, vast numbers more than anyone defending him at
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: the defination trap.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Sitting way with the last we hear of that story,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: and very quickly before we go, another story on the
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: front of the Herald Sun tomorrow Test Great Dui blow
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: test Cricket Great David Warner has been charged with drink
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: driving after allegedly blowing point one four in a random
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: breath test. The thirty nine year old former Australian opening
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Batsman was arrested and taken to Marubra Police station on
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Sunday after police saw a van having stop and park
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: before a random breath testing site in Sydney's Eastern suburbs.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, Easter double.
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  Speaker 2: Demerit points two, so he could be in a fair
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  Speaker 2: bit of trouble.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight upnixt will be the reata panicky show and make
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: sure you stick around for Newsnight.
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  Speaker 1: At twelve a m.
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  Speaker 2: Where there will be plenty more on what is happening
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  Speaker 2: between the US and Iran.
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  Speaker 1: Goodnight,