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The Late Debate | 14 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Late Debaate.
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  Speaker 2: Great to have your company on the Late Debate. James
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  Speaker 2: Macpherson with Dannika and Georgio and Joe Hildebrand.
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  Speaker 1: How are you, Donika? How is your day?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Really good?
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  Speaker 5: Thank you. I went to the fish market today, did Julie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I bought some Barrowmunday, which was really nice. Just thought
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  Speaker 5: i'd just share.
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  Speaker 3: That even though it's Barow Tuesday, it's barrat chicks.
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  Speaker 5: That was actually very clever. No, it's really good that
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  Speaker 5: the Sydney fish Market.
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  Speaker 3: It's amazing, isn't it really?
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  Speaker 4: Really great?
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  Speaker 3: Incredible? I hate fish. I don't even like it.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, it's for shame.
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  Speaker 3: I'm thinking of taking it up.
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  Speaker 5: So you can come up with your dad jokes when
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  Speaker 5: you come back on hour.
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  Speaker 3: So what you do?
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  Speaker 4: How was your day?
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  Speaker 2: I went out for lunch with my son Lovely, and
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  Speaker 2: we spent the whole time talking to a lovely old
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  Speaker 2: lady sitting at the table beside us, who had a
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  Speaker 2: very cute dog.
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  Speaker 4: So, oh well, James is very talkative.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like you go to restaurants and you would
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  Speaker 5: just talk to everybody in the whole cafe.
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  Speaker 1: She was a lovely lady. So we had a good check,
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  Speaker 1: but she didn't pay for our lunch.
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  Speaker 4: So ah, oh shame.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into the show. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Christians outraged over a government funded X rated show mocking
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  Speaker 2: Catholics in what used to be a Sydney church building theme.
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  Speaker 2: Parks in the UK put limits on disabled fast passes
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  Speaker 2: because well, with so many people now claiming a disability.
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  Speaker 1: The fast passes just aren't fast.
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  Speaker 2: And would you befriend a person with different political views?
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  Speaker 2: Would you ditch your friend if they changed.
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  Speaker 1: Their political views. We'll get into all of that shortly,
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  Speaker 1: but first.
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  Speaker 2: Victorian prisoners, including murderers and rapists, look set to have
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  Speaker 2: their sentences reduced as prison staff strike for higher wages.
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  Speaker 2: Under legislation that's unique to Victoria, prison sentences are reduced
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  Speaker 2: by four days for every one day of disruption experienced.
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  Speaker 2: Disruptions need to be unusual circumstances such as natural disasters
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  Speaker 2: or staffing strikes that mean normal prison conditions aren't significantly
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  Speaker 2: sorry are significantly altered. These EMDs, as they're called emergency
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  Speaker 2: management days, are controversial for a couple of reasons. First,
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  Speaker 2: they apply across the board, even to the worst of prisoners.
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  Speaker 2: And second, because they amount to an administrative sentencing discount
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  Speaker 2: that's given outside of the courts system. Now I'm in
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  Speaker 2: favor of it for three reasons. First, if a prison
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  Speaker 2: term is harsher, they're what the court's imposed, then justice
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  Speaker 2: demands compensation. If you believe in justice, it's got to
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  Speaker 2: apply to victims and to perpetrators. Second, automatic compensation for
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  Speaker 2: having to endure jail conditions that were harsher than sentencing. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it reduces the likelihood of lawsuits against the prison system.
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  Speaker 2: And Third, these EMDs incentivize authorities to end emergencies quickly,
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  Speaker 2: rather than, for example, being able to continue to confine
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  Speaker 2: prisoners to their cells without due cause and without consequences.
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  Speaker 1: So that's where I stand on this.
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  Speaker 2: But I suspect my opinion will be an unpopular underneath.
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  Speaker 5: Just another day victoria, isn't it. Some real smart people
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  Speaker 5: that work for the Allen government. Within the Allen government
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  Speaker 5: are just incredible. So we're talking prisoners, murderers, and rapists
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  Speaker 5: as well as thousands of other inmates could have their
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  Speaker 5: sentences shaved off because of this absolutely ridiculous practice. Now,
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  Speaker 5: has anybody thought about the victims in this instance, has
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  Speaker 5: anybody thought about how the victims might feel about this?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 5: But you know, because the prisoners themselves are inconvenienced by this,
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  Speaker 5: what about the inconvenience they have caused to their victims
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  Speaker 5: and the victims loved ones.
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  Speaker 4: It is not up to the Victorian government to be
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  Speaker 4: the judiciary.
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  Speaker 5: This is why we have a judicial system in place
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  Speaker 5: across the country.
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  Speaker 4: I am actually baffled.
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  Speaker 5: I am just baffled and reading a lot of the
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  Speaker 5: comments online, everybody else is saying the exact same thing.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I don't dispute I do think that.
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  Speaker 5: I'll say this. Prison guards have a very tough job.
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  Speaker 5: They do wonderful work. They are working with some absolutely
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  Speaker 5: vile people every single day. They're spat on, they're treated
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  Speaker 5: like crap. They've got to break up fights, you name it.
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  Speaker 5: So I am not disputing the fact that they do.
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  Speaker 4: Need a pay rise.
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  Speaker 5: I would agree, just like teachers, just like paramedics, police officers.
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  Speaker 4: I absolutely understand that.
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  Speaker 5: But the alternatives all, well, you know, it's inconveniencing the prisoners.
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  Speaker 5: Something doesn't quite compute in my view.
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  Speaker 3: Joe, I'm with you one hundred percent. I have to
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  Speaker 3: say I've found two things extremely surprising about this debate.
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  Speaker 3: One is that this system exists at all in the
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  Speaker 3: first place, And the other is that my very good
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  Speaker 3: friend James McPherson is a bleeding heart civil libertarian. What
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  Speaker 3: an incredibly progressive stance.
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  Speaker 2: If you're sentenced to X number of years in jail,
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  Speaker 2: you should serve the term right, but you're not sentenced
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  Speaker 2: to solitary confinement. But if by reason other than your
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  Speaker 2: own behavior, you're confined to solitary, then you should receive
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  Speaker 2: some sort of compensation for that.
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise your human rights are being breached.
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  Speaker 3: Is a very and again is a very noble and principle,
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  Speaker 3: And for the perpetrate, that is a very noble and
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  Speaker 3: principled stand. But I just I cannot still get my
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  Speaker 3: head around I cannot get my head around the fact
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  Speaker 3: that basically, the more chaotic or incompetent the administration of
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  Speaker 3: the prison system is, the more prisoners will get out earlier.
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  Speaker 3: Like that that just that that end result, whatever the
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  Speaker 3: principles that are at state, that you very eloquently spelled out,
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  Speaker 3: that just to me, that seems the ultimate in you know,
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  Speaker 3: Graham Richardson's famous you know you never ever reward bad behavior.
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  Speaker 3: It incentivizers. I mean, you're saying incentivizers to get them being.
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  Speaker 2: Rewarded for bad behavior. They've been compensated for the fact
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  Speaker 2: that the government.
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  Speaker 3: They've been They've been effectively rewarded for the incompetence of
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  Speaker 3: the prison management or the punish bankruptcy of fate government.
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  Speaker 2: The punishment has gone beyond what the court imposed.
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  Speaker 3: Although I mean a lot of people would suggest that
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  Speaker 3: the punishments the court imposed in the first players farm inadequate.
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  Speaker 3: This is natural justice. I've heard the.
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  Speaker 6: Bail laws in Victoria so notoriously hopelessly it's got all
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  Speaker 6: those youth offenders back out on the streets straight away.
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  Speaker 6: And then it turns out that even the prisoners they
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  Speaker 6: do have behind bars because they are so incompetent, are
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  Speaker 6: going to be released early.
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  Speaker 1: So I interropt for one second.
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  Speaker 2: Both of you have made emotional arguments, but you haven't
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  Speaker 2: given me a principled argument as to why this is.
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  Speaker 3: A failing argument. You're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I get that, but I just think, isn't it
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  Speaker 5: the bare minimum that when you commit a crime, that's
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  Speaker 5: why you go to jail. Jails are for places where
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  Speaker 5: you go to commit a crime, you go and serve
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  Speaker 5: your sentence to its maximum.
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  Speaker 1: That's the point. They're serving their sentence.
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  Speaker 2: But then the punishment has gone beyond what the sentence
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  Speaker 2: was because.
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  Speaker 4: Well, because they're being inconvenienced.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't call soultry confinement inconvenience. I call it
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  Speaker 2: a punishment, and it's an extra punishment. But what I'm
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  Speaker 2: saying beyond what the court impost.
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  Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is, as per the Allen government,
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  Speaker 5: they're going to be inconvenient by this strike.
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  Speaker 4: So is what you're saying is all because I.
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  Speaker 3: Think even if they are inconvenience, I think the idea
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  Speaker 3: that they would be compensated and overly compensated. I mean
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  Speaker 3: we're talking four days for everyone. Yeah, I think that
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  Speaker 3: is far too much. I mean I know people who
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  Speaker 3: have victims of crimes who have had just very recently,
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  Speaker 3: we did a special with my very good and old friends,
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  Speaker 3: the Huxley family, Lauren Huxley and her family and the
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  Speaker 3: monster that did unspeakable things to her, the anxiety they
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  Speaker 3: felt when they knew his parole hearing was coming up.
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  Speaker 3: This douct Thankfully, the board made the right decision and
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  Speaker 3: kept him behind bars. But the anxiety they felt. I spoke,
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  Speaker 3: you know, years ago, I was speaking to a victim
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  Speaker 3: of domestic violence who knew her husband's exact release date
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  Speaker 3: because that was the day that she was going to
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  Speaker 3: have to start worrying that she was going to be killed.
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  Speaker 3: And just the idea that you've got a state just
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  Speaker 3: so utterly dysfunctional that it's actually put in place this crazy,
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  Speaker 3: o intuitive mechanism to somehow save itself from its own dysfunction.
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  Speaker 3: And yet as you again, as you right, I said,
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  Speaker 3: it should disincentivize them from allowing this chaos to begin,
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  Speaker 3: but in fact, in practice rewards criminals for the negligence
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  Speaker 3: or the incompetence of prison managing.
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  Speaker 2: The funny thing about this law or union militarism, it
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  Speaker 2: was put in place in nineteen ninety one by Joan Kerner.
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  Speaker 2: It's the only state in Australia that has it, and
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  Speaker 2: it has pretty much flown under the radar until COVID Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and then with lockdowns under Dan Andrews, prison sentences were
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  Speaker 2: massively reduced because four days for every one day of lockdown, right,
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  Speaker 2: that meant their prison conditions were Jewish than had been intended.
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  Speaker 1: That's where it became controversial.
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  Speaker 5: And at that point the Labor government then should have gone,
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  Speaker 5: this actually is a problem.
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  Speaker 4: We need to end to this practice right now.
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  Speaker 5: And it's fascinating to me that they just cannot get
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  Speaker 5: it right, the Victorian government when it comes to that,
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  Speaker 5: even the bare minimum of crime in that state, they
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  Speaker 5: can't even get prison sentences right.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's it's become a state that has adopted
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  Speaker 3: and the left of the Labour Party there, I think
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  Speaker 3: has adopted this culture of Firstly, they just started ignoring
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  Speaker 3: and freezing out any media that criticized them, so they
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  Speaker 3: weren't listening to any of that. And it's always been
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  Speaker 3: even Dan Andrews' most ardent admirers say that the one
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  Speaker 3: thing he absolutely is is stubborn as a mule. Once
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  Speaker 3: he's made us since he six to it. And so
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  Speaker 3: you've got this culture and that's all very well and
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  Speaker 3: good when you're winning, but when things are going wrong,
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  Speaker 3: I think they've just got this cardsl.
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  Speaker 4: La la la la la la la la la.
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  Speaker 3: Everything's fine, everything like, oh no, it's not this. Only
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  Speaker 3: in Victoria would this happen. That's because we're right and
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  Speaker 3: everybody else is wrong and they're all against me, and
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  Speaker 3: it's all just a Murdock conspiracy, or it's all just
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  Speaker 3: the right thing.
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  Speaker 5: It seems as I just sint to Allen has followed
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  Speaker 5: in the stubborn Leader's footsteps, because nothing has changed under
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  Speaker 5: the Alligator, under the Alan government. Now, this is a
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  Speaker 5: really fascinating story. A one hundred and fifty year old
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  Speaker 5: Sydney church which has been deconsecrated, so it's been decommissioned
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  Speaker 5: from being a religious It's been forced to cancel events
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  Speaker 5: after it was transformed into an LGBTQ club. I guess
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  Speaker 5: would you say a club which was hosting X rated shows.
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  Speaker 5: The Divine Playhouse has been ordered to stop engaging in
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  Speaker 5: offensive trade by its landlord after religious groups protested against
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  Speaker 5: its opening night. Now, the shows that were being performed inside.
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  Speaker 4: Here are some of the pictures.
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  Speaker 5: They're religious themed, So for instance, here we go a
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  Speaker 5: drag show where performers are dressed as nuns and were
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  Speaker 5: reportedly waving around adult toys. There were resurrection theme parties
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  Speaker 5: and a DJ set called Unholy Mess.
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  Speaker 4: But here is the problem.
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  Speaker 5: The group behind this was actually given a grant by
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  Speaker 5: the New South Wales government. Now activists have been urging
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  Speaker 5: the New South Wales government to withdraw a one hundred
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  Speaker 5: thousand dollars grant Divine Playhouse received from the state's art
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  Speaker 5: agency Create New South Wales. Here was one of the protesters,
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  Speaker 5: a religious activist Liam Aqualina, who is against this group.
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  Speaker 5: He was speaking to Ben Fordham this morning on Radio
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  Speaker 5: two GB.
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  Speaker 7: We understand that the church has being sold off. We
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  Speaker 7: understand that the church has been deconsecrated and is no
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  Speaker 7: longer in Catholic use. That's not the point. The point
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  Speaker 7: is that these people have hired a venue that isn't
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  Speaker 7: ex Catholic church to have a completely and entirely themed
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  Speaker 7: almost Catholic nightclub. This is why we're upset, because I've
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  Speaker 7: never seen such a concentration of mockery of our Catholic faith.
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  Speaker 5: So initially it was actually called the Unholy Playhouse, but
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  Speaker 5: it was changed last minute because of concerns from the
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  Speaker 5: Christian community. But now there are members of the Catholic
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  Speaker 5: community claiming that the venue itself mocks religious faith.
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  Speaker 4: Now, look, quite frankly, I actually do not have.
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  Speaker 5: An issue with this because of the fact that this
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  Speaker 5: church was decommissioned. Okay, it's no longer a place of worship.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't have an issue, to be honest, with
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  Speaker 5: these X rated shows because I think that there are
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  Speaker 5: worse shows going on in Sydney and around the world
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  Speaker 5: that are indeed X rated. So whatever goes on inside
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  Speaker 5: these venues, is it affecting people?
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  Speaker 4: No, it's not.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm going to say this quite bluntly and frankly,
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  Speaker 5: the concept of naughty nurses naughty nuns. Sorry, you know
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  Speaker 5: it might offend some people, understand that, but you know,
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  Speaker 5: naughty nuns.
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  Speaker 4: You know, not a.
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  Speaker 5: Nonal tea and not a novelty, and not a novelty
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  Speaker 5: at a dress up party. That's all I'm going to say.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't have that. The problem that I have, though,
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  Speaker 5: is that taxpayers are funding this. I would like to
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  Speaker 5: know why one hundred thousand dollars grant was given to
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  Speaker 5: this sort of activity, and I understand that the New
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  Speaker 5: South Wales government is looking into this. The only other
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  Speaker 5: problem that I have with it is if it was
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  Speaker 5: any other religion. If this was Islam, the Left would
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  Speaker 5: actually be having a field day with it. I have
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  Speaker 5: no doubt they would be talking about it. And this
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  Speaker 5: hasn't really been reported in the media. It's been largely
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  Speaker 5: under reported, and I think it is the fact that,
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  Speaker 5: sure it does make a mockery of christian or Catholicism,
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  Speaker 5: but in the end, it is a decommissioned church.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's no longer a holy place.
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  Speaker 3: Go for it.
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  Speaker 4: It's a club.
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  Speaker 3: For goodness, I've got a plenty of roof. It's a
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  Speaker 3: church if it looks like church.
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  Speaker 5: Joe, you not like you go to King's Cross, you
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  Speaker 5: walk down the stripping King's Cross. I think there are
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  Speaker 5: worse things going on inside. They're not going on in
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  Speaker 5: old churches, churches decommissioned.
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  Speaker 3: That doesn't matter. It still looks like a church. And
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  Speaker 3: they're obviously doing it directly to insult Catholics in a
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  Speaker 3: Catholic venue. The whole purpose of the show, the whole
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  Speaker 3: purpose of the venue, is that it's taking place in
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  Speaker 3: what looks like and feels like and presumably is fitted
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  Speaker 3: out like a Catholic church. And that's what they're doing.
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  Speaker 3: But here is the twist, here's the thing in the tail.
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  Speaker 3: I actually like, you do not have a problem with this.
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  Speaker 3: I find this the hypocrisy. You know, good luck doing
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  Speaker 3: that to, you know, and in the mosque or a synagogue.
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  Speaker 3: The left probably would do it in a synagogue actually
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  Speaker 3: these days, but they hadn't burned it down, they hadn't
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  Speaker 3: already thrown a brick. That yeah, terrible, But how many
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  Speaker 3: I just wonder how many of the people taking place
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  Speaker 3: in this show, seeing these shows, how many of them
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  Speaker 3: would demand that everyone has to respect their pronouns, that
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  Speaker 3: they have a safe space at any that no one
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  Speaker 3: is allowed to say anything derogatory or mean or critical
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  Speaker 3: of LGBTQ I plus people all this stuff that the
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  Speaker 3: problem here. And this is why I'm not going to
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  Speaker 3: take the bait and get genuinely outraged by it and
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  Speaker 3: say it should be shut down, because then you are
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  Speaker 3: playing that game. But it is very very I think
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  Speaker 3: you can bet London to a brick that these would
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  Speaker 3: be the exact sorts of people who would be campaigning
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  Speaker 3: against railing, against anything they saw as homophobic, anything that
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  Speaker 3: they saw as offensive to their community, and yet they
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  Speaker 3: are more than happy to stage the most kind of
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  Speaker 3: ott offensive slap in the face to a community that
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  Speaker 3: they don't like or they disagree with. So if you're
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  Speaker 3: going to be in for free speech. That's all fine,
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  Speaker 3: that's great, but that means that you don't get to
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  Speaker 3: get upset if people are critical of your beliefs, your ideologies,
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  Speaker 3: your lifestyle, whatever it may be.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you, and I think it's important for
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  Speaker 2: Christians to support the right of people to mock religion,
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  Speaker 2: even their own, because otherwise Christians will not be allowed
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  Speaker 2: to speak about Islam at all or do comparative religion,
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  Speaker 2: which is incredibly important because the idea that most religions
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  Speaker 2: are basically the same is only propagated by people who
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  Speaker 2: know nothing about religion. Christianity Islam are very very different species.
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  Speaker 1: You need to be able to talk about that.
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  Speaker 2: But if we live in a world where no one's
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  Speaker 2: allowed to say anything that might be deemed offensive about
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  Speaker 2: someone else's religion, it gets very difficult to do religion
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  Speaker 2: at all because you can't compare and can trust which
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  Speaker 2: is the idea, because they're competing truth claims, right.
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  Speaker 3: That's right. And moreover, though this sort of proves, notwithstanding
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  Speaker 3: the complaints by a lot of the Catholics here, but
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  Speaker 3: the fact that this can happen and there is not
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  Speaker 3: an immediate violent reaction. Nobody's dead as a result. Of this,
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  Speaker 3: nothing's been blown up.
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  Speaker 1: Which is because we are a Christian, because there is such.
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  Speaker 3: We turn the other cheek.
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  Speaker 1: Just on that.
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  Speaker 2: The other way Christians could look at this, it's actually
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  Speaker 2: a nod to Christianity because the joke depends upon most
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  Speaker 2: people in the culture being familiar with Christian traditions and
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  Speaker 2: Christian terms, because all of the stupid things they're doing
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  Speaker 2: around huns on Catholicism, not how much.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure how much Christianity is going on inside.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: No, but it's tone right, So you don't get the
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: joke unless you're familiar with Christian terms. Yeah, So in
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: that sense, it's a bit of a nod to Christianity.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: You're right though, the fact that the government would fund
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: and the government's all about social cohesion and they're all
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: about you know, you've got to look after this group
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: and this group, and you can't offend, and they're continually
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: making laws about hate speech and it's illegal to mock
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: or ridicule someone on the basis of this this and this.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the then fund something that the whole parth is.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: I asked, can I ask you, James, Okay, so let
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: me ask you this as a Christian yourself, because the
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: argument from a lot of these Christian groups was what's
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: actually going on on the inside. On the inside, they're
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: upset about these X rated shows, drag queens dressed as nuns.
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: Do you think that that's offensive?
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: It's offensive, but I mean it was offensive when I
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: got cut off at around about on my way here
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: this evening, So offenses everywhere?
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Move on, yeah, yeah, the whole point of free speech.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Free speech doesn't allow for things to be offensive. And
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: it's simply not free speech. It's just propaganda. It's just
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: whatever you agree.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: And if you're going to be a Christian, I mean,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: look at what they did to Jesus. So do you
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: really think everyone's going to stand and applaud Christians. They
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: crucified the founder of Christianity.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: It's not happened to a Christian.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: And also that they did like there are nightclubs in
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: Australia called the Church as well.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: That's also a band called the Church, and I called
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: the Church. What I can understand they are not very
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: lily at all. But I will go into bat for
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: the state government because I don't think that they would
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: have known that this is what it would be used for.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: I agree with that, you know, if the organization has
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: half a brain in its head, it wouldn't have put
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: that on the application form. And also Christmians himself is
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: a good Catholic boy. The Deputy Premier as well, Prouka
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: also a good practicing Catholic.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: So we'll talking about people being offended. There's quite a
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: few who are about to be offended at theme parks
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: in the UK where they've got a fast pass.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: System for disabled people.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: So if you're in a wheelchair or somehow you're incapacitated
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: and you're at a theme park, you don't want to
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: stand for hours waiting for a ride, so they have
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: a special queue to fast track disabled people. Now, as
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: the definition of disability has.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Been stretched and stretched and stretched.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: To include people with autism and people with ADHD and
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: people with anxiety, the number of people issued fast passes
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: is such that the fast pass ain't that fast anymore.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: So one of the largest theme parks in the UK,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Drayton Manner, has decided that all people with disability fast
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: passes will only be allowed to use it ten times
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: during their visit, which means everybody is penalized. The parks
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: that it had taken the decision following a surge in
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: customers taking advantage of the service over the past three years,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: which had put additional pressure on Q times for other customers.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Now there was a second theme park in the UK
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: that did the same thing. They said, if you've got ADHD,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: if you've got autism, look you don't qualify for a
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: fast pass, And they did this to make sure that
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: people with more severe physical disabilities got a fair go.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: But such was the uproar Dneaka that they've now backtracked
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: on it and said, well, you know, we're going to
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: have another think about this because we don't want to
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: upset people with ADHD.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Based on the ndis.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Grammatic balance between decency and just absurdity, right, Yeah, sometimes
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: you can be so decent as they're trying to be,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: it ends up just being absurd.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: But you know what it actually does.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: It it's actually unfair on people who have a genuine disability,
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: who are in a wheelchair and come to these theme
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: parts for a great day out and need that additional
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: help because it rigs the system and it's taking the piece.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: When you say I've got anxiety, therefore I need to
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: jump the cues, it reminds me of a story we
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: actually covered on the Late Debate only a couple of
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: weeks ago about a culture of over diagnosis. And I
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: think this is where the problem is here, because that
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: the parameters have just been so far stretched. So you
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: had a situation where there are so many Brits going
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: to Disneyland in Paris using their disability diagnosis when all
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: they had was ADHD, autism, anxiety and even depression. And
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: there was one person who had to line up and
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: she had one of these lanyards, and she was reported
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: as saying, the whole point of getting a disability pass
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: is to not have to queue so people, and this
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: is just the problem. So to me, it actually is
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: really unfair on those who really do need the help
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: the most. But I think more broadly, there is clearly
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: a culture of over diagnosis.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Jo if you've got anxiety, why a roller coaster?
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what happens.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: That's so true.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Some effects that to lie down. I love the fact
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: that people are outraged people who are deliberately trying to
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: rig the system and scam it by claiming getting a
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: disability pass so they can skip the queue, and now
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: complaining that so many people are doing that that they
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: now have to queue up. That is peak thing. But
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: it really is, you know, it really is the manifest
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: a of the exact same problem that is crippling the ndies.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: And there was a debate just recently about whether the
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: ADHD should be put on the NDIS as long as
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: well as you know, a full spectrum of autism. And
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Bill Shant, to his great credits that absolutely, no effing way,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: are you kidding me? It's already under enough pressure. And
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: again there are people who I have, you know, I
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: have a dear friend who you know, is struggling to
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: get the support he needs, a quadriplegic. And so every
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: single person who tries to get in on this sort
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: of stuff when they don't actually really really need it,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: is hurting someone who is materially worse off than them.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: But not only that, is that it is actually so
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: ridiculous that it is now life imitating it is actually
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: life imitating satire. Because this is a scene that's going
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: viral at the moment from the Danny DeVito Show. It's
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: always Sadi in Philadelphia. Have a look.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Excuse, says, well, how come we can cut to the front.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: Oh, Ethan is here, with a special program for children
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: with leukemia.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: So he skips at the front of the line. Thank
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: you coming through.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Eight eight, I got age, I got age.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: We're coming through.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: That's great.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: So there you go. It's only a grief if you're
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: not in on it.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Now, do you think it might change?
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I was reading today that in the sixteen hundreds, nostegia
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: was regarded as a debilitating medical condition.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Yes, you're kidding.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: It was absolutely on people's death certificates.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: They died of nostalgia or homesickness. It was originally soldiers
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: who were being diagnosed with this.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Oh that's hot, that's actually really sad.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but of course nowadays no one nobody would. But
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: you know what, but you know.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: What, nostalgia will kill you if you think about it
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: too much. Nostalgia will absolutely kill you.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I just wonder if in the future, ADHD or some
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: of those things will be regarded kind of in the
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: same way that once it was diagnosed as this terrible Yeah,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I got my diagnosis.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost like it.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: Is a real it's a real shape now.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: Former Today's Show host Carl Stefanovic is still on his
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: podcast tour of the UK, and after having had Piers
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: Morgan on his podcast Well Today. Piers Morgan returned the
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: favor and gave Cole and gave Carl.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: The nod to go on his uncensored show. Now.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: Of course, Carl Stefanovic hasn't really spoken out that much
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: since he was sacked from The Today Show over his
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: interview with Tommy Robinson, other than having delivered a personal
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: video message saying that he was sad that he couldn't
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: say goodbye to his viewers. But he went onto the
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: Piers Morgan Show and well, he had this message for
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: the haters.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I've got too much to do, too much I want
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: to do. Those people aren't working in the industry anymore,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: so they can Yeah.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry they can. Do you want to say what.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: I really I really want to say it?
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Well they can go. There we go. Can you edit that?
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Absolutely not?
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: Yes, Well there you go. That was quite the blunt
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: message by Carl. He's certainly racking up the clicks online.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: He knows exactly what to say now because he's got
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: to drive clicks and views onto his podcast. Now, I
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: will say that that episode hasn't actually dropped yet and
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: we don't know whom he was referring to when he
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: said go f yourselves, but I think we could probably.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Read between the lines.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: Look, this is interesting now with Carl because you know,
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: he's not going to get his one hundred thousand dollars
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: pay is he this each month. He's not going to
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: get the pay from Channel nine. So he has to
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: really try and get financial backing for this podcast.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: Which bear in mind, that's very, very.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: Difficult to do because you've got to set up a
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: podcast from the ground up and it's not easy.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: So Carl's an expert.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: He's been around the media industry so long. He knows
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: when he goes and say says things like that, we're
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: talking about it. It's published all online. He knows exactly
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: what he's going to do. It's about driving clicks. But
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: the hard work really starts because without any financial backing,
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: you will struggle with a podcast.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Well you would know, Deanika, wouldn't you, because you are yourself.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't know about struggling of.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: An incredibly successful podcast, thank you, how because you're The
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: OZ did this in its media section yesterday and it
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: actually sort of broke down the numbers, and I was
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: amazed to learn that for all the massive amount of
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: height and buzz for Carl's podcasts and good luck to him.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: I hope it's you know, godspeed, But he doesn't even
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: pull the same numbers as you do.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: I don't want to I don't want to brag.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it was in the paper to
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: your example of well.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Look it's cooite just I'm just going to give myself
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: a little shameless plug.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: Danika goes Global now two times a week from next
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: week Tuesday and Thursday. Great show on Sky News Australia
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: YouTube soon to be News twenty four. By the way,
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: really good show. You should you should watch. But look,
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: it is actually very hard to build an audience, and
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: especially if you try to get an international audience, which
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: clearly he is because he's been an the UK talking
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: to the likes of Tommy Robinson, Rupert Lowe now Piers More.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: I think he needs he needs an international audience, local,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: an Australia own audience. That's why you're going global, not
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: just goes to Perth.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: No, that's not from Perth, from perpose.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: I agree that to get that sort of economy of scale,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: which is why he's done.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Peters Morgan twice because Carl had Pierce Morgan on that's
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: his program. Now he's been on Peers.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: The interesting thing, though, I thought, was that he gave
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: the PM a whack on the way Carl said, Oh,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: the PM goes on another podcast and says something you
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: shouldn't and and but then had the temerity to say
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: I had previously said that that Carl's perhaps should be
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: a bit more circum.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: But it's funny because Carl used to be quite left
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: wing in his I understand don't believe that he's become
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: this sort of massive right wing.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: I think he's just a sort of contrarian. I think
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: he's a I think he's someone who likes to push
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: boundaries no matter what. I remember once said that he
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: liked Donald Trump because Trump is interesting, and he likes interesting.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I think he's just a stirr. I think he's just
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: someone who, you know, wants to be able to say
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: what he wants and if that and if to do that,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: he has to say things that are inflammatory or controversial
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: just to prove that he can say them. Someone else
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: who has come out of the blocks and is saying
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of things that have surprised a lot of
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: people is my old mate Dave hughes Hughesy has of
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: course become an online sensation himself, having turned on the
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Alban ezy Laby government, which he voted for, after it
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: put in all sorts of increased taxes in the budget
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: that will smash property owners. I think Hughesy quite famously
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: owns every single house ever built on the block and
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: he's furious that this, the CGT changes and the negative
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: gearing changes weren't mentioned or were explicitly ruled out prior
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: to the election, and then they've come out now. The
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: difficulty here is that Hughsey is also friends with our
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: old mate Peter fitz Simon's now but Fits the Fits
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: is good mates with Albo and so Hughesy has taken
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: to one of Pete's posts. Pete is a very very
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: prolific Twitter Twitter is the fits He's and he's been
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: ghosted by his former I guess now friend Pete has
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: completely blanked him. So Dave has written Pete, why no response?
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: You know I'm a reasonable person. I've helped promote you
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: many times over my media career. I've played tennis on
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: your court many times. Pete and Lisa Wilkinson have a
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: tennis court in their lovely home. We've had great chats.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: If you don't think there's an issue with corruption, convince me.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: I don't give up who's in power, but the stealing
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: has to stop. Tell us why you don't agree? Albow
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: MP is of one of your best mates. How could
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: he let this happen? And again crickets. So it's got
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: me wondering. Have you ever let political differences destroy one
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: of your friendships? Have you lost friends because of political
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: disagreements or because you know, they didn't say I do
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: I with you literally, or they went off and voted
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: to the Greens.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I've had people stop being friends with me because of
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: political differences, but I've never stopped being friends with someone
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: because of political differences. In fact, I find people who
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: disagree with you politically sometimes make the most interesting conversations.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: So yeah, but it's interesting I think the left.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: One of the problems with the left is that they
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: believe your politics is your identity, and so I can
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I don't agree with it, but I understand why. Then
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: they will cut you off if if you disagree politically.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Because you're not disagreeing politically, you're disagreeing with them and
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: their identity.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: So that's why I think they take that.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: But also that's the people they don't like that their
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: politics defines them also even if they think it doesn't.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: So in other words, you cannot just be, you know,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: a person, a good person who is a right winger.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: If by a right winger, you are inherently yes.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Because for the left, politics is identity and its morality
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: So if you vote for Donald.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Trump, you are a bad person, correct, not just you're
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: a person with a different political bent.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like you, I've lost friendships over my political views
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: and the job that I hold. I've been called extreme,
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: offensive and jarring, and I'm the best friends by people
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: I thought were best friends. And this is, you know,
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: it's fascinating because I don't think that friendships are based
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: on politics.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: I think that friendships are based on more than that.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: And if your friendship is just based on your own
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: political views, then I'm not really sure.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: That's boring. Boring, it's so boring, and this is this
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: is the thing.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: So whatever, you know, you move on in life and
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: make friends with other light minded people who don't care
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: about your politics. But it's true, and I think you're
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: right that the left they don't like.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: It when you disagree with it.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: They think it's there's one view of the world and
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: that's it, and they refuse to see another. When I
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: talk about that I like Donald Trump, suddenly oh god,
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: oh well, no, she's an extremist. You know, she's way,
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: she's a far I probably call me far right. But
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: they're not willing to do their own research and have
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: a debate. And quite frankly, I don't care what your
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: brand of politics is as long as you don't waive
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: it in my face.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: So I don't care.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: The other thing that the progressive left have started doing
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: is equating ideas with harm. So harm is not actual harm.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Harm is just an idea that might be disagreeable. Now
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: you're causing harm to somebody, And so again I guess
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: that's their just Do you believe that I can't be
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: friends with you because your beliefs in and of themselves
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: are harmful?
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Even to debate certain shows in certain Catholic churches, Yes.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: That's the right exactly.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Speaking of harmful, is it harmful to sing a song
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: in sport criticizing another country overall war?
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: That's debate now being waged in England.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: There's a big World Cup match coming up this week,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: the semi final played between Argentina and England. The Argentinians
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: in preparation for this match are psyching themselves up and
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: they are singing that they will get revenge in this
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: game for the Malvinas, which is the Falkland Islands. Of course,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: the Falkland Islands were fought over between Argentina and the
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: UK back in nineteen eighty two. Here's the Argentinian planes
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: singing the song, which has become a source of great
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: offense to many in the UK.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Now, veterans groups in the UK are up.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: In arms about this, saying, you know, England lost two
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty five soldiers in that war. It's offensive
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: for the Argentinian players to be singing about getting revenge
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: for the war. The funny thing about it, Danika, is
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: if you're going to taunt another nation over a war,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: generally you'd taunt them over a war that you won.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: Lost.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: And then, of course Kirs Starmer has now gotten involved.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, why does Kios Starmer have to put his
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: two cents in? Seriously, he's literally as boring as a
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: bank clerk. Because if he's going to add any weight
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: to a story like this, for goodness sake.
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  Speaker 4: Look, here's a thing. It's sport.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: It's sport.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: And I think that there are worse things that are
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: said out on the field than this. And you know what,
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: if it riles up your opponents, if it's going to
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: rile up the brids, isn't that a good thing. We're
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: going to go, We're going to come out firing on
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: the field because we're offensive, we are offended and we
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: are angry. It actually probably has the opposite impact.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is just the ultimate trial. I
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: think again, why Argentina would want to remind anyone about
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: the Falklands War is beyond me because it did not
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: end well for them. But just this, this is the
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: other amazing thing about this story is Keir Starmer's capacity
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: to make anything boring. So this is business. The Prime
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Minister is solely focused on the semifinal and securing a
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: spot in the final. His focus will be on supporting
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: the team, just like millions of fans at home and abroad.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: I think the Prime Minister's view is football should be
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: about the game and about bringing people together. What does
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: that even mean?
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Like this is gone.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Boy, it's just oh, if football is about bringing people together,
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: No it's not. No, it's not like this is the
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: country that invented soccer organism.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: Seriously, this guy's so boring that the funny thing about
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: this story.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: The best retort was by person in the UK. Remember
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: England and Argentina fought the war over the Falklands in
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two, Yes, they did the English one and
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: someone said if UK strikers in the football shoot as
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: well as UK soldiers in nineteen eighty two will win easily,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: which I thought.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: There, come back before we go to a break.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: I've just received some correspondence from cayleb Bond, you know
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: that guy who normally he is on this show just
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: in regards to splitting up friendships when it comes to politics.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: This isn't about me, No, actually it was about me.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: Said he doesn't want to come back to the show
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: because he refuses to work with such a jarring woman.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: So it looks like you've got a full time is great.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: That's that's you know, there's a lot to take it.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: At least he's gone straight for the juglar straight. Technically,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: it's not political. He just hates you for who you are.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: On that note, we're going to go to a break.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we look at what's making headlines tomorrow,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: including lobbyists paying seven hundred dollars a minute to meet
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: with a state premier.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: That and more when we look at the papers. Next,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. Let's take a look at
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: what's making headlines tomorrow.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: A lot of good stories in the papers will start Joe,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: you've got the adelaide advertised.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: I sure do, James. And obviously there's a lot of
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: big news in the world at the moment. We've got
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: war starting up again in the Middle East, we have
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: an ongoing economic crisis that is crippling Australian households. But
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: without doubt, the biggest story of all is this love
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: triangle that has hit the Australian women's cricket team and
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: that advertisers put on the front cricket's very messy affair.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Australian women's team rocked by claims. And sometimes a picture
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: just paints a thousand words, but sometimes a caption tells
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: the story even better. And how just how to listen
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: to this caption? It just tells you just got everything
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: you could possibly want for a good old fashioned ball
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: tearing tabloid story. Australian cricketer Ashley Gardner left, who has
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: been accused of having an affair with teammate Georgia voll
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Is pictured with wife Monica Wright, who is not accused
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: of any wrong doing. Justin Vaker absolutely clear. So so
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: the story is apparently Ashley has been called out by
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: her wife for having an affair with one of her teammates.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: And this is just lit the powder keg, the powder keg, James,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: that is women's cricket.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Is the Adelaide Advertiser gone with this on there like
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: they've gone?
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Story?
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: It's mentioned in other papers tomorrow.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: But why wouldn't you? I assume they must be locals.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: They must be.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: They're living in Sydney.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Maybe they came, Maybe they visited South Australia once. Maybe
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: their honeymoon is the.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: Barossa sex cells. It's a fascinating story. It's giving like
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: locky Neil afl.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: A lot of locky Neil vibes, but more lockya' neil.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: What's is there a girl's version of lock locky?
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. What else is on the front
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: ledge of the Neil Lockness.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Luck Ness, Neil, I'm glad you asked James parents bounced
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: reads the proper splash. Nearly one hundred basketball spectators issued
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: warning cards. Now again, this is the sort of behavior
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: that you would expect from I don't know badminton fans,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: not basketball supporters, but officials in Adelaide's District Basketball League
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: have issued ninety five warning cards to spectators for insulting umpires.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: In effort to combat abuse. Basketball Essay initiated a trial
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: in January in the league, issuing spectators cards as a
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: first and final warning. If the abuse continues, they can
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: be ejected from stadiums and to have been.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: So isn't that that both my boys played state basketball,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: and while parents on the teams that they represented were
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: very well behaved, I have seen some appalling behavior at
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: basketball stadium.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: Sort of what role model does that? Is that for
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: your child?
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Worse than other sports? Do you? Oh?
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I know one of my sons played soccer for a while,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: and I mean they can get pretty willing.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Well, you had parents threatening kids.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: That was the crazy thing about soccer was worse, and
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I think there's some reasons for that which I won't
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: go into.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: That's so bad. Again, that's not setting the example for
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: your own kids.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: It depends if you want them to grow up to
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: be a street fighter, then.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: Then go for it.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: But also put enormous pressure on little kids. Right, So
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: if you've got four thirteen year old kids and mum
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: and dad are that fixated on you must win. And
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: I mean my boys wanted to win as well. But
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: when your parents are going to that extreme, if the
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: kid misses a shot or god forbid, you know, does.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Something to lose the game, it's a lot of pressure
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: on it.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: And it's like in the amateur league where kids are
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: just trying to have a bit of fun.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's just do the responsible thing. Keep your mouth
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: shut and just tie their shoelaces together.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: When they're not right, I just tell them that they've
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: done a great job. I think it doesn't matter if
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: you win or lose. Well done, well done, some well
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: done daughter.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I was one of those parents who walked up and
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: down the court when my we're anxious. I mis watching
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: them play sport. One of the it's one of the
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: you've got it.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Is the most important thing in my life, but none
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: It is just that that game because it just makes
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: they win that game. Everything's fine, they don't It's like.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you would rather watch your kids play sport
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: than pretty much anything.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: I can't get excited. This is you know, what's happened.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: I'm like a sort of gambler who's like been betting
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: you know, million dollar, million dollar pots. I can't get
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: excited about other games anymore because nothing is as exciting
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: watching your own sunplay. Nothing can possibly come close to
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: meaning as much. So, even stuff like you know, obviously
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: watch the World Cup and stay and everything, but nothing
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: compares to that Sunday morning game watching, watching my boy
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: takedown Balmain forfeited this week.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: That's it, all right.
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: Let's take a look now at the Australian newspaper a
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: couple of stories there. We'll start with the one at
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: the top, Early Learning isis Bride's alleged lessons in slaying
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: disbelievers and accused Australian Isis Bride, seeking freedom on bail,
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: had allegedly filmed herself training her toddlers how to use
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: a rifle and demanded they show her how g had
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: jihadas fighters slaughter an infidel. The disturbing clips were not
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: aired in the Melbourne Magistrates Court because playing the footage
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: would have distressed the accused, thirty four year old Rayan L.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: Hooley.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: Instead, Miss l Hawley teared up as harrowing transcripts of
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: the videos she allegedly captured in Syria were read aloud.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Did you find that curious?
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: That?
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm missing something here? But the alleged videos were
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: not played because they would upset the accused? Is that
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: who were strange?
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: Yes, there's a lot to unpack here that I quite
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: frankly don't care if the alleged videos upset the accused.
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: Quite frankly, I'm just baffled by that decision in the court.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: And I'm not actually sure why the court would have
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: agreed to that. I don't know what on grounds they
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: would have said, yeah, don't play it because it would
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: upset Look, I don't know. The problem is is again,
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: there are a lot of concerns with the ISIS brides
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: coming back here to Australia, and I think that this
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: alleged video would be one example of such.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank god she was arrested and locked up so
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: as she got back correct.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: Also, we trained Ukrainians to be better at killing Russians
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: eightyf troops worn of key shortages. More than forty Australian
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: soldiers have been deployed to Camp Jomsburg in Poland to
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: train Ukrainian squad and platoon leaders, but they have discovered
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: the same problem befalling troops on the front line equipment
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: short shortages. Members of the Australian Defense Force have been
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: at the camp for two months, and like their counterparts
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: from other nations here, are frustrated that excess and old
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: military stock at home would have a significant and immediate
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: impact helping Ukrainian soldiers.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: It's interesting because we talk so much.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: About the war in Iran that we almost forget that
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: there is still an active.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: War going on right now between Ukraine and Russia.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: And I also think that there'll probably be a lot
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: of discussions with the US continuing on that and just
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: quickly L and P cash for chat speed dates cost
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: seven hundred dollars a minute. Oil and gas companies, pubs, builders, pharmacists,
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: private jailers and lobbyists representing weight loss jab giants, cage
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: fighting promoters and military drone builders pay the Liberal National
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: Party as much as seven hundred dollars a minute for
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: meetings with David Chris Afully and his ministers in a
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: speed dating style cash for access meeting. Well a little
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: fundraiser number there you go.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Which they thought of that.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, all right, let's go to the front page
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: of tomorrow's Career mail just quickly cee IFMU bullying led
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: to suicide attempt Push to the Brink, reads the headline.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: The article reads that the top executive of the state's
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: peak building and construction body was so traumatized by relentless
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: harassment from the CFMU that he tried to take his
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: own life, and Inquiry has heard. Former Master Builders Queensland
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: CEO Grant Galvin told the Commission of Inquiry yesterday he
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: was subjected to a sustained campaign of harassment, including a
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: rally outside the Master Builder's headquarters where unionists dressed up
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: as the Grim Reaper and carried a coffin. He told
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: the Commission, I'm lucky I'm here today. I had a
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: mental breakdown and attempted to commit suicide. Such was the
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: pressure he was under from members of the unions.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: So as to say they got some time off the
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: big build in Victoria to go and have a protest
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: in Queensland.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty traumatic stuff. All right, that's the papers. We're
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: going to go to a break when we come back.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Did you know Greta Tunberg has a sister and well,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what to say about her sister. We'll
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: just show you after the break. Remember Greta Tundberg, well, Deniker,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Apparently she has a sister.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's right, the goblin.
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: Greta has a sister by the name of Bata Mona Lisa,
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: which you believe that's actually her name, Bata Mona Lisa,
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: and she is absolutely nothing like Greta Tunberg. She is
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: a twenty year old self trained singer, actor and dancer.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: I don't think we'd ever expect Greta to be whipping
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: her leg up like that and dancing around on stage
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: the way that Biata Mona Lisa is.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: But if you want to hear her sing, this is it.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Never whoo who, as Greta would say, how dare you?
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: How dare you?
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: She describes herself as a self trained singer, which I
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: think means untrained.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd still rather hang out with her than Greta does.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: Seem more fun Teambiata all the way. Now, one thing
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: that we wouldn't be able to discuss. However, is the
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: question of multitasking is off? Of course, often said that
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: men are incapable of multitasking, but it turns out James
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: that that is actually not true. In what will be
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: my final TV appearance, it turns out men are actually
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: good at multitasking. It's just that women don't stop talking
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: while they're doing it. So, in other words, men can
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: do more than one thing at a time, but they
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: shut up, whereas when women do more than one thing
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: at a time, they still keep talking. So to all
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: the feminists on Twitter, thank you very much, it's been
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: a pleasure to be on your I'll see myself out.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: Okay, let's be men cannot multitask. You can't. I'm sorry.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: We just you can't task and don't go on and
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: during the time.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: No, you can't. It has to be very simple, one
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: at a time.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: The beg news about this study for all the married
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: guys watching is that the study confirmed men are twice
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: as likely as women to ignore questions directed at them
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: when they're busy doing something. So you know, when your
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: wife says, why are you answering my questions? You're biologically
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: not wired to do things and answer.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because men are simple. But just no, and I
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: mean that in the nicest way. Men just you know,
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: just simple minds.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: With that old Rodney Dangerfield joke, I haven't spoken to
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: my wife in twenty years. I didn't want to interrupt
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: her very.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Quickly before we go.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: One of the favorite players from the World Cup, Norway's
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Earling Harland. Favorite in the World Cup because he kicked
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: seven goals. He also was just a lot of fun
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: leading the Norway chance. He's arrived home in Norway carrying
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: a stuffed raccoon. Here he is, and that raccoon, stuffed
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: as it is with a whiskey bottle, has now sold
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: out Online. People went on and realized you can bike
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: for seven hundred and fifty dollars from Texas. He had
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: a good time in the US and came home with
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: an odd souvenir.
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: Well, he's got viral on social media. People say he's
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: the ultimate Viking.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: There you go with a stuffed raccoon of the stuff recois.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: That's it from us sticking around. Coming up is the
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: read a Penny Show. We'll see it tomorrow at ten o'clock.