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Special Guest: Brandon McGill, Finding Peace, and more · Live! with Fefe and Freddy

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  Yeah. Hello.
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  Good evening. Good evening, Good evening.
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  Welcome to D. And Freddie, this is your
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  Wednesday night conversation I have.
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  My Wednesday night conversation. No, no, my Wednesday night
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  conversation. Thank you.
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  Never. Mind.
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  Thank you. Thank you.
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  Your Wednesday night conversation.
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  I am Felicia Fifi Minor and over there, pretty in pink for 16
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  candles is Freddy Prince. Charles, I just turned 16.
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  I added sound of fags. I can't wait and.
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  You'll notice that Freddie added sound effects and I'm very proud
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  of him because I would have messed this up already.
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  See, I can do stuff sometimes. Sometimes.
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  When you set your mind, something that parents
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  encouraging say and you'll notice down below, Here is our
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  special guest, a fan favorite and a repeat offender of our
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  show, Brandon Mill. Hello everyone.
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  Hi, thank you for having me. Good to see you both.
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  I feel like I just saw you well. I did.
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  I did go over to one of your parties pretty recently.
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  You did and it was, it was still within the last few weeks,
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  wasn't it? Yes, it was.
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  Pretty recently, yeah. It was a lovely time.
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  It feels this hasn't been a very it feels like it should not
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  still be January. I don't know why this month
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  seems to be going slower. No, it's fine.
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  Like it's it's it's weird, though, like I keep like I look
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  back on things. I'm like, oh, wait, no, it's
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  it's still actually January. I do have things to do, so I'm
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  totally fine with time being slower, although it's doesn't
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  mean that I've actually done anything that I need to do.
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  But we'll just we'll in theory, it's we'll do it's fine.
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  Oh yeah, Dee's birthday weekend. Do you guys share a birthday
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  weekend? Yes, not not me and and Dee.
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  I know I wouldn't know. I meant Brandon and Dee, yes.
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  Yes, we do. We.
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  I think we have the same birthday actually.
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  What? I believe that's January,
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  January 4th. I believe that's correct.
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  Yeah. Yeah, we have.
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  The same thing. Birthday.
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  It was meant to begin. Remind me in the afterglow to
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  tell you about sharing a birthday with someone.
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  It's very, I don't want to share it on this, Yeah.
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  Yes, but that we'll, we'll, we'll save that for the the
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  folks that pay. Yeah, 'cause you wouldn't
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  believe me even if I told you. Oh.
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  Lord. Anyway, this evening we have a
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  lot to talk about. Here's some things that we're
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  talking about seeing what's new with our special guests, multi
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  talented Brandon McGill. Let's talk about relationship
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  fluidity and platonic relationships.
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  OK, I feel this one. This one's a bit spicy.
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  OK. It it can be.
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  It can be. For me, well, because you know,
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  the style of person that I am it anyway.
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  And we'll of course discuss our weekend.
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  But a quick question for the audience is, is there a
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  friendship that ended for whatever reason that you miss,
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  even if it's been years? Oh, you go first.
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  Brandon, you, you said mm hmm. We can, we can, we can.
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  I mean, we can wait and talk about it.
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  Oh. During the tip.
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  OK, OK, OK. But jumping the gun?
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  Let's not jump the gun here. Well, these are things to
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  ponder. Put it in the question right?
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  But it's things to ponder. Gosh.
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  Oh. My God, put your answers in the
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  chat. Anyway, quick housekeeping.
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  You can get exclusive content on our Patreon at patreon.com/live
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  with VM Freddie. We wanna thank our patrons Bill,
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  Brandon, the Brandon that is on the show, Yes, Cassandra, Chris
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  and Michelle D, Drake, Jensen and Michael, Casey, star and
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  Carrie and Corey, Joan, Laura, Madame, Eskew and the Grand
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  Arbiter, Nicole, Patricia, Mason and Shannon.
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  A huge shout out to Whigs of a Kind for supporting us this
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  evening. I'm wearing a Wigs of a Kind
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  wig. I am also wearing wigs of a kind
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  wig. This is actually one of my
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  favorites. It's probably one of the most
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  versatile ones that I have. I've been able to like turn it
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  into like a Mohawk. It's got this nifty long like
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  ponytail in the back like this is I I love this wig.
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  I do. I love this wig.
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  This is like, and at some point I'm probably gonna have to send
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  it back to Marissa to get a little TLC and get it like
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  floofed up a little things. And I think, yeah, 'cause I
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  this, this wig gets a lot of wear, but I love it so it's hard
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  to like, I don't know, like if yeah.
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  So yeah, it'll it'll probably have to get sent back to Marissa
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  at some point just for a little TLC and little Zhujing, but I'm
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  gonna wear it as much as I can until I have to.
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  Sometimes she dishes it up and like sometimes she'll add stuff.
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  I don't know if I want too much added to it though.
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  Like I love it the way it is 'cause I can do so much with it
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  like. Talking about.
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  Me it it is. We're like a versatile king.
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  Thank you. I'm versed, so versed.
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  If you want to support us, just go ahead and send us a blank
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  check. We'll give you the address to
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  send it to you and we'll we will fill it in for you.
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  We also, you know, accept, you know, credit cards, Visa,
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  MasterCard, Discover, American Express, EBT, SNAP.
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  Like I'm not picky. Groceries are expensive.
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  I got to feed like teenagers and animals and shit and like the
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  pigs eat better than I do, you know?
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  So I we're really. He's not talking about about the
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  teenagers when he says the pigs just.
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  Want to know? Literally, the pigs eat much,
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  much better than I do. But to be fair, Disney gift
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  cards. I will accept Disney gift cards.
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  If anybody would like to, you know, contribute to our
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  honeymoon fund, we will absolutely take a Disney gift
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  card. Because Disney.
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  Because I deserve some fucking joy.
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  So does my wife. I love that for you.
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  Oh wow, one on that note. What did you I will go first on
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  that note because this weekend we went to Disney on Ice first
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  Disney on Ice for me and for the kids.
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  But I was telling Brandon in while we were getting ready.
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  Is that I the thing that was most distracting in the show was
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  their wigs. I was like trying to enjoy
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  myself and I'm like, wigs are awful.
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  Like I expect like I don't know, when you hear Disney, I think on
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  brand is very like cofted. Hair like the details are,
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  they're usually like all about the details like.
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  Some of the wigs were so dry. They were it looked like there
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  was an attempt to sculpt them, but it just wasn't right it and
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  I don't know what the quality control is like.
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  Do they have so many people on cast that they switch them out
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  or do they have a local cast when they get to the city?
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  That but still, the quality of the wigs were just very awful.
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  Felicia at one point I. Somebody in the audience wants
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  to pay us with a sweet potato cake with buttermilk frosting
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  and toasted coconut and I would yes, that is absolutely
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  acceptable. I will give you my address and
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  then I will quality test it first and then potentially send
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  it on to Felicia. Felicia also has a lot of like
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  dietary restrictions that I do not have.
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  So I can like I, I can be the person I can, I can eat it.
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  My palate is very well developed and I can describe the taste of
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  Felicia since she would actually be incapable of eating it.
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  Just eat it. I could handle this.
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  I could. I would pay for it, but I would
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  I. I get the wigs, though, because
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  we went to go see Hairspray in Tucson and this was last year
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  and the production was wonderful.
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  Everything about it was so good except for Tracy Turnblatt's
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  wig. Once she like gets all like, you
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  know. Foofy, foofy.
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  Better and everything. I don't know who designed her
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  wig, but it was absolutely the worst Tracy Turnblatt wig I had
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  ever seen. No, it wasn't flat, but it
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  literally looked like like somebody had just taken like a
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  brown wig and then like pinned a blonde piece like into it.
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  Like it it was, it looked awful. And which was unfortunate
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  because other than that. The entire question was.
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  Great. Oh, I could not.
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  It was literally so distracting. I was like, what the?
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  Hell, I was doing and I kept look, I'm like, can I just, I
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  just wanted to be like, can I just fix this?
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  Let me, let me just can I? I'm just going to.
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  Just walk on the on the ice and just be like, I'm sorry, let me
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  just move that. There you go.
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  I hate that when it's one one thing like that and you're just
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  distracted and you're just like. Like Elsa came out and I was
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  like, that looks like the wig that came with like the
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  Halloween costume because we literally got it's like.
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  High school theatre. Yeah.
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  Whatever the cheapest thing is on Amazon, we'll make it work.
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  It's fine. Just take it out, shake it a
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  little. Bit and maybe I'm just not
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  educated if there's somebody in theatre that could explain to me
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  why this happens, maybe there's a reason.
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  But if you could explain that reason if.
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  I, I don't understand the reason having, you know, a zonie for
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  hair and makeup. You know, I, I don't believe
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  that there is any excuse for poor hair and, or makeup in any
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  stage production. And if anyone needs you know
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  tips or you know references to be able to get you know, good
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  hair for productions, I as a two time Zonie winner, would be
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  happy to find resources for you. Oh my God I just realized my
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  name is wrong on here. It is wrong on there.
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  Yes, you're correct, you are not.
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  I I don't have any, you know. What I I get it.
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  We it's because we look so much alike.
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  We get mistaken for each other all the time.
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  Do you want me to fix this for you or?
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  Damn DEI, I was like wait I can't see that but I think my
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  name is wrong. Yes, yes, it is.
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  It is wrong, yeah, but that's that's.
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  The name is wrong, but you're right, honey.
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  Yeah, but. I tried telling my husband that
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  but he never agrees. So anyhow, yes I will take
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  anything, but I could not take these wigs.
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  I was like, I get that the characters might not look like
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  how they're supposed to look on the double mint twins.
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  Fun fact, did you know that the Double Mint twins are Katie
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  Sagal's sisters? I.
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  Do not. Know that?
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  Wow, the more you Why the fuck do you know that?
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  I have I I random random fact. There you go.
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  Oh wow. Anyway, so I could not
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  concentrate on I was like I even own dry wigs but I don't look
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  like that Jesus Christ like. What what always drives me nuts
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  about the you know, whatever on ice, whether it's Disney or some
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  other thing, are the characters that have 4 legs because it's.
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  Always. Right.
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  It's one person. So you have like completely
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  stiff either back or front legs depending.
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  So like you're they're skating around and it's like either like
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  the back end of like a dead horse just there or like.
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  Or you could tell that the person was like trying to swing
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  the back the back. Right, it was.
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  And you're like it's. Like Mario Kart, where you're
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  drifting, right? So you're like in front of you
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  is going in the back end. It's just kind of rang, yeah.
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  So the reindeer from Frozen was the stiff back legs, but then
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  when is it Pumba? Pumba Pumba has the skater is
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  the back legs, but the front legs are just like.
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  No, this time it was they were. So they were hunched over
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  basically in the costume. So it was interesting watching
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  them like move around. Oh.
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  No. And not try to stand all the way
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  up. Oh God.
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  So that was the big thing we did this weekend and that's pretty
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  much it. But I was so peeved that I'm
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  like, you know, you pay for these.
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  They're so young, they don't even care.
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  But I'm just. The kids don't give a fuck.
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  They're like Oh my God, yay. Meanwhile, the adults are like.
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  Why is everything so expensive? I think that's what the adults
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  are all doing. I told I yeah, we told them
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  we're not getting stuff here, we'll get you some stuff online.
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  We'll order it order when we get home.
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  We'll get you some stuff on Timu, it'll be the same thing.
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  It'll be fine. Just only wash it once because
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  it might come up but. That poobah on Timu is not quite
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  the same. Right, it's fine.
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  They're like little they don't give a fuck.
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  So what did you do this weekend? Not a whole hell of a lot, a lot
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  of kind of house stuff. I've haven't been feeling 100%
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  like it's been kind of off and on for a week.
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  And I think it's just it. I think it's just, it's the in
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  fact, it's the season and like. When it keeps getting like hot
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  and cold. Right.
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  That doesn't help. Like, it's stupid, but we, you
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  know, cleaned the house, did some of that stuff.
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  I washed my makeup brushes. Cause oh, good for you.
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  I know well the problem is is that so I can usually go a while
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  without having to wash my makeup brushes just because I don't I
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  don't get in face very. Often how long is long?
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  It depends on how many brushes I have left.
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  But the problem is, is yeah, no, definitely not like I can, I can
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  go numerous weeks, like numerous weeks.
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  I only get in face once a week. So it's not like I'm, you know
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  what I mean? Like, and I have a lot of
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  brushes so I can swap them out and use different brushes.
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  But the last couple looks I had were like heavily, heavily
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  colored. So everything had like green and
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  blue and shit and I was like, OK, I no longer have any clean
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  brushes because everything has green or blue or whatever.
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  So I'm like, I have to, that's it.
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  I have to. I have to.
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  Yeah, this. Explains the pink eye.
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  This explains the pink eye. Right, that's, you know, it's
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  fucking. Makeup, it's just your actual.
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  Eye, it's just my actual eye. It's just the infection.
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  I just made it pretty with glitter so.
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  Gabe, I'm not going to even read this out loud because.
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  Disney Ice. I mean, there has been some pig
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  drama at at my house and. So do you have a camera out
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  there? You said ice and then you said
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  pig drama and I was like, wait, what?
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  Yeah, no, I mean, not that kind of pig drama, not that kind of
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  ice. Different ice, different pigs.
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  We were transitioning to a different topic.
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  OK, got it. I'm on board.
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  I feel like we should have cameras out here, like we we
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  really should just for a plethora of reasons, but we
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  don't. We have cameras, they're just
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  not set up but. I would encourage the cameras
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  over the pig area. So the the other day I came
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  outside and like, pigs are loud, you know, if they're fussing or
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  whatever, you can hear them normally.
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  I heard nothing. So imagine my surprise that I
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  come outside and Lucy looks like she's been in a bar fight, like
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  her ears are bleeding. She is like she's beat to shit.
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  Like she's got scratches and bite Marks and stuff all over.
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  And we of course, you know, I'm like, Oh my God, what the fuck
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  happened? And Rerun has decided to be a
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  little shit now. Having had a pig before but not
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  multiple pigs, I'm the whole herd mentality is a little bit
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  new for me and for my partner. So we messaged the the person
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  that we, you know, adopted them from and apparently this is
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  common. So what can happen is at some
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  point the pigs will decide that they are no longer happy with
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  the status quo and one will try to gain dominance.
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  When Rerun first got here, there was a lot of, you know, the head
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  butting and the, you know, whatever.
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  And it was established that Lucy was the alpha.
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  That has since changed. So there's been a regime change
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  and now Rerun has has has basically taken over.
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  But it's for a while I was like, I was so sad because he wouldn't
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  even let Lucy in the pigpen area.
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  So we had some blankets that were sitting on the ground by
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  the washer because we were going to wash them.
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  And instead of sleeping at night in the pen in the house, she was
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  sleeping on the blanket. And so I would go out there and
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  I'm like, I'm like putting more blankets on her and like
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  bundling her up. And I'm like, out there and I'm
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  petting her and she's just the saddest pig ever.
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  And it's it's getting a little bit better, right?
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  It's getting a little bit better.
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  There's still some issues. And I kind of have to watch to
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  make sure that rerun lets her eat because for a while he was
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  actually pushing her away from her food.
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  So I would actually have to go and grab a bowl and move it away
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  from everybody. So that and watch so that Lucy
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  can like, I literally so yes, I have been completely distraught.
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  I was like, I want to grab a sleeping bag and go sleep with
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  her out there. I feel so bad and it, I, it is
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  normal, but anybody that knows me knows that I have a
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  ridiculously soft heart when it comes to my animals.
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  And you know, my, my, my pig hurts.
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  And she has been, it's like I said, it's getting better.
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  But for a while there she was so sad.
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  Like she was sad. She was like, it was just not.
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  It was, it was really well. She wasn't accepted.
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  Right, so you know, because and and I know, I, I logically, I
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  know that these things change and that it will be fine
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  eventually. Were they now allowed to?
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  Were they all there together or did we or not we?
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  But did you add them into like? We had Linus and Lucy 1st and
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  then in August we adopted rerun. So Linus and and Linus is always
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  will always be at the bottom of the totem pole.
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  He knows this, he's deaf. He's basically he, he knows that
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  he will never be alpha. He knows this, you know, he he
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  knows that he is always going to be the the beta basically, but.
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  Then it was just against those two then, because then.
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  But poor Lucy, like literally, like her ears were bloody.
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  Everything it was, it was like it was, it was distraught, like
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  it was distressing, like, I don't, you know, and having
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  fostered cats and dogs and things and like, I know that
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  this happens, but it's rough. Even, you know, having dog
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  fights and stuff that that can occasionally happen.
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  Like I it it's hard. You don't want to see your
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  animals hurt, you know, So that's been super fun and I've
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  been going out and you know, I, I try to make sure to give Lucy
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  a little extra love. She's not a super affectionate
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  pig, but she's letting like love on her a little bit more.
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  So that's been like a thing. And I went ahead and it's took
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  me a second, but I did put in my application for Thrustfest,
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  which means that I created a like highlight reel type of
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  thing to be able to put in there and you know, so hopefully.
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  I'm glad that you did that. So we'll.
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  See, we'll see. I mean, I like I said, I'm still
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  kind of thinking of like my tarot reading and like the, you
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  know, like travel was a big one, you know, putting myself out
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  there, you know, collaboration, things like that.
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  So I'm like, maybe this is maybe this is a sign, you know, it's
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  like do the thing. Maybe I get stuck in Canada
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  because they won't let me back across the border.
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  But you know what? It's OK.
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  So you know, my partner thinks I need to apply to be on traders.
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  Wait, what does that mean? Have you not watched Traders?
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  No, I'm saying no. No, I'm saying she's saying
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  you're a traitor. No, but it's a very fun show to
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  watch. It is.
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  It's a great show. It is a great show.
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  I haven't seen it, but I I do like Alan Cumming.
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  It's, it's actually really good. The premise of it is really,
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  really good. Like, you know.
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  Just send half the mortgage, OK? Just send half the mortgage.
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  That's fine. But so I've, you know, I, I put
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  in my application for Thrustfest.
• 25:41
  We'll keep our fingers crossed. We'll see what happens.
• 25:44
  You may see me hustling like a motherfucker out there trying
• 25:47
  to, you know, make some money to be able to do the thing and get
• 25:50
  out there and do the stuff. So fingers crossed.
• 25:55
  If anybody would like to sponsor me, that would be wonderful.
• 25:59
  If anybody would like to, you know, sponsor my travel and shit
• 26:03
  'cause it's in Toronto Thrust fest so anybody wants to.
• 26:06
  What's the name of the fest? Thrust fest, thrust fest thrust.
• 26:11
  It's an all king drag festival. OK.
• 26:14
  Just making sure that's why, right?
• 26:16
  OK, Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:18
  So that's it. So.
• 26:23
  Yeah, she's ready for you to just join all the reality shows.
• 26:26
  All the reality shows, I mean, you know.
• 26:29
  I mean if they make you money. My tarot reading was talking
• 26:33
  about travel. My tarot reading was talking
• 26:35
  about, you know, new adventures and things.
• 26:38
  So. I also sent you some prides that
• 26:42
  are looking for. I saw that I don't know that I
• 26:48
  want to be in DC right now. I sent you a Winnipeg one too.
• 26:53
  No, I didn't see the Winnipeg. I saw one for DC and I was like.
• 26:57
  Here. So, well, Brandon, how was your
• 27:04
  weekend? Did you do anything interesting?
• 27:06
  Well, I've been, thank you for asking.
• 27:08
  I've been working on a side mini project where I've been painting
• 27:12
  people as Pokémon. So I've been working on that
• 27:15
  this weekend and throughout the last week.
• 27:18
  It wasn't the project that was chosen on my Patreon poll, but I
• 27:23
  kind of had a feeling that that would be the case.
• 27:25
  So I snuck in a bunch of Pokémon paintings just to like get them
• 27:28
  in the door. So it could be like, OK, well,
• 27:30
  at least we we got that in scratched.
• 27:35
  But I did a half a dozen Pokémon paintings.
• 27:37
  So I've been showing off like my logic and I'm doing.
• 27:41
  I did an EV1 with a glacion evolution flying over and all
• 27:45
  sorts of fun stuff. Right to your.
• 27:51
  Patreon So Speaking of Speaking of Pokémon real quick, so our
• 27:56
  our a mutual friend of ours, Felicia Nicole is like a
• 28:00
  hardcore Pokémon Go person and at the at the party for for my
• 28:09
  partner's birthday, they end up having a full on like deep
• 28:13
  conversation about the Pokémon Go and why the 1000 battles
• 28:18
  wasn't necessary or some shit I don't know everybody's like Oh
• 28:21
  my God. And I'm like not.
• 28:23
  Pokémon Go. Pokémon ZA.
• 28:24
  OK, well, whatever the I don't, it's all the same.
• 28:27
  I don't know. They're all like, Oh my God,
• 28:30
  you. Don't have to do the 1000.
• 28:31
  Battles hit the 1000. Battles I did this and then my
• 28:34
  my thing evolved into a. So the last couple times that
• 28:39
  I've been to the moment. I'm like, I don't even know what
• 28:41
  the hell is. Like wait, the last couple times
• 28:43
  I've been to the mall, I've been at 2 separate malls.
• 28:48
  I went to like Superstition Springs Mall and then I went to
• 28:54
  there was a large gathering of people that were playing Pokémon
• 28:58
  Go and I guess they do like final battles or something.
• 29:03
  Somebody explained there's. There's rave days.
• 29:07
  Yeah. And they're like, we go to find
• 29:09
  everything and it's usually in one big place.
• 29:12
  And I'm like, so you choose malls and they're like, no,
• 29:15
  sometimes it's at a park. And I'm like.
• 29:17
  It's easier to gather people at a mall because it's air
• 29:19
  conditioned. Yeah.
• 29:21
  So the last couple of times I've been at the mall, I'm like, why
• 29:24
  are there so many people here? And then and you can you notice
• 29:27
  right away there. I've been one of those people at
• 29:32
  Arizona Mills. I did not see you there, but
• 29:36
  then at Arizona Mills they had somebody standing by the Lego
• 29:41
  statue that was announcing like winners of certain groups.
• 29:46
  Yeah, they have a captain and usually they're like identified
• 29:49
  in the app. And so they're like, say, this
• 29:52
  is how you find me. And then people come up and say
• 29:54
  I got a Hungo, which is a perfect Pokémon.
• 30:00
  Yeah. And so there, there, there were
• 30:04
  at least two or more in the mall.
• 30:08
  It's crazy how it's still popular.
• 30:11
  Yeah, and I was like, whoa, what's going on?
• 30:17
  They might have been trying to catch Eternitus.
• 30:21
  What is that? He's the boss of one of the
• 30:23
  recent Pokémon games a couple Pokemons ago, but he was in one
• 30:27
  of the mainline. Games just a few pokemons ago.
• 30:30
  So Pokémon ZA is the one that everyone's currently playing on
• 30:33
  the Switcher switch to. And then Pokémon Go is the
• 30:36
  mobile game, but they're different games.
• 30:39
  Pokémon Go is made by Niantic which is a like satellite kind
• 30:44
  of company and Pokémon Regular is made by Nintendo but they
• 30:49
  like least the characters at least that technology etcetera
• 30:52
  is. That right?
• 30:57
  That's my Patreon. Yeah, ABBM, Because I used to go
• 31:00
  by art by Brandon McGill, and then that was too much of a
• 31:03
  mouthful. I've heard that one before.
• 31:13
  He was saying if you if you join their Patreon.
• 31:16
  You will find out, but there's all sorts of delights.
• 31:21
  On my Patreon. Or if you buy my calendar, I'm
• 31:29
  pretty much naked in it every single year or so.
• 31:31
  There's that too. We, we, we have the calendar now
• 31:34
  up up in in our bedroom since you you you gifted it to my
• 31:37
  partner for her birthday. Yes, don't go to December.
• 31:40
  Oh, we're gonna say it was in the kitchen.
• 31:42
  I was gonna. Say it, I said.
• 31:46
  We should hang it up like in the, you know, in the kids
• 31:48
  bathroom or like in the hall, right?
• 31:50
  There like in another full place.
• 31:52
  But you know, think. What's, what's the deal with
• 31:57
  that? Idea.
• 31:58
  But it's fine, nobody likes my ideas.
• 32:04
  Speaking of your ideas, let's go into the tip.
• 32:24
  OK, so for on the tip this evening, this was something that
• 32:31
  I don't know what really prompted me to be like, let's
• 32:34
  talk about this. There's I mean, there's been a
• 32:36
  few things that have sort of happened where things have in as
• 32:42
  far as relationships and friendships and things, things
• 32:44
  have shifted a little bit. But I started thinking about it
• 32:47
  and I was like, you know, we, we've talked about relationship
• 32:51
  fluidity as far as like polyamory goes and in the
• 32:54
  context of like romantic relationships and you know, and
• 32:57
  things like that, sexual relationships.
• 32:59
  But we don't really talk about it.
• 33:02
  And the context of like platonic friends, platonic relationships
• 33:07
  or like friendships, you know, like the, the way that things
• 33:11
  can change and evolve or whatever within those platonic
• 33:16
  relationships. And I think it's something that
• 33:17
  it's good to talk about because when people talk about
• 33:21
  relationships, almost always they're talking about romantic
• 33:26
  or sexual relationships. And you know, I like, I always
• 33:31
  say that I, I, I joke about it. I always say I'm, I'm the worst
• 33:34
  Poly person ever. You know, I have my partner who
• 33:37
  I absolutely love and adore. You know, she is my my person,
• 33:40
  but I don't have. Single polyamory person.
• 33:44
  I don't, I don't have any other partners.
• 33:48
  There's a few reasons for this, but you know, it's I just, I, I
• 33:52
  don't, you know. It's very demanding.
• 33:55
  It's very demanding. Yeah, something extraordinarily
• 33:58
  demanding. I'm really not.
• 34:00
  I'm just kidding. I'm actually fairly low
• 34:03
  maintenance. You know, my, my partner has
• 34:08
  found another partner and I, I, they have a great connection.
• 34:12
  I, I love it. You know, their partner is a, a
• 34:16
  great human and you know, I, I, I love that for them, me, I'm
• 34:21
  just like whatever. So that being said, kind of
• 34:28
  always say that like my friends are my polycule and we, we
• 34:34
  actually kind of joke that we're in a platonic polycule with a
• 34:38
  few small group of our friends. You know, these are like these
• 34:42
  are the friends that you know, you, we have a group chat with.
• 34:45
  They're the friends that kind of automatically get an invite to
• 34:48
  anything that we have going on. You know, it's they're, you
• 34:54
  know, if they, if they can't come to an event or a thing that
• 34:58
  we're doing, it's, it's like, it's weird.
• 34:59
  It's like, oh, you know, it's weird that you weren't able to
• 35:02
  make it because it's, you know, it's, you're always a staple at
• 35:06
  game nights or get togethers or, you know, whatever and you are
• 35:12
  never there. So I've pretty much just broken
• 35:14
  up with you. You are no longer a part of my
• 35:16
  polycule. Just kidding, break up with me
• 35:21
  on the live stream I did. Maybe it was that or like
• 35:27
  through text so I mean. Cheaper this way.
• 35:33
  Right, exactly. I I I'm running out of minutes
• 35:37
  on my phone so. Remember when you have to pay
• 35:39
  for text messages, Remember those.
• 35:40
  Days don't take us back there. Oh my.
• 35:42
  God, kids today have no idea. I have a anybody that like knows
• 35:48
  me personally knows that I have a, a pretty small circle of
• 35:51
  people who I would consider close friends Like yes, when we
• 35:55
  have like a game night or, you know, Friendsgiving, like
• 35:58
  Friendsgiving is sort of the exception to the rule.
• 36:01
  Like when we. Have like the community like.
• 36:04
  Swing by like that's, that's kind of everybody that kind of
• 36:08
  falls under the sort of friend bubble, even though we don't see
• 36:11
  people much, you know, they're you know, but when it comes to
• 36:17
  like things like birthday things and game nights, it's it's a
• 36:20
  much smaller group. And if we invite you to
• 36:24
  something like that, know that you're here because we enjoy
• 36:30
  you. We enjoy your energy, you know,
• 36:33
  so that's you know, it, it, it's, that's well.
• 36:37
  I appreciate that. And so it kind of got me
• 36:43
  thinking that, you know, over the years, as we all have, you
• 36:47
  know, we have friendships end or kind of change.
• 36:50
  Sometimes they develop into something deeper, sometimes not
• 36:55
  so much. Do you?
• 36:55
  Ever feel like some people just fall off the planet?
• 36:59
  Yes. Yeah.
• 37:01
  And it's like, not always. It's not a person.
• 37:04
  It's not, you know, it's sometimes it's out of sight, out
• 37:07
  of mind. You know, you don't see them
• 37:11
  very often, you don't text with them very often.
• 37:16
  So it's like. I thought of somebody the other
• 37:19
  day and I'm like, damn, I haven't heard from them in a
• 37:21
  while. And I'm like, and I went to like
• 37:25
  their Instagram and I'm like, they're still alive.
• 37:29
  I mean, 'cause I mean not to bring it down, but you know,
• 37:35
  sometimes I realize cause we've talked about in past shows, like
• 37:39
  I may not be very close with some people, but I, you know,
• 37:44
  I'm used to seeing them on Facebook or I'm used to seeing
• 37:48
  them on Instagram and then all of a sudden I find out they
• 37:50
  passed or some other things. And it's just very.
• 37:56
  But when you find out they're alive and well, you're like
• 37:59
  damn, I wonder why I haven't heard from them.
• 38:03
  But then it's also, you haven't reached out either.
• 38:05
  So it's you know what I mean? It's like, I haven't heard from
• 38:07
  them, but also they haven't heard from me.
• 38:08
  So it's like, so sometimes like that'll happen and I will reach
• 38:13
  out to the person and I'll be like, hey, just randomly popped
• 38:16
  in my head. Just wanted to say hi, you know.
• 38:19
  I think that's sweet though. Like people need to do that more
• 38:22
  often. I no, for sure.
• 38:24
  And like there, there are times like there, there are people
• 38:26
  that I enjoy spending time with and sometimes it's hard to nail
• 38:29
  down like a time and I'm like, we need to go find a time to do
• 38:32
  things as but again, I'm busy, OK.
• 38:37
  Like like. The people are busy like trying
• 38:41
  to schedule things these days is.
• 38:44
  It's tricky. I'm yet anything if not
• 38:46
  consistent. I have not scheduled a.
• 38:50
  No, and you also. Live way the with Brandon,
• 38:52
  you've got an. Out thing and you have no car
• 38:56
  and. Well, you all live over there.
• 38:58
  I live over here. We live in different.
• 39:00
  Countries basically. So for folks that aren't
• 39:04
  familiar with the term relationship fluidity, it's the
• 39:07
  idea that relationships, all relationships change, evolve,
• 39:13
  grow, etcetera. And it, it doesn't, it doesn't
• 39:18
  make something good or bad. It just is.
• 39:21
  And you know, one of the things that, you know, my, my, my
• 39:25
  partner and I have have talked a lot about is the fact that, you
• 39:28
  know, relationships can change and right.
• 39:34
  And that's, you know, it's not, it's not a matter of, it's like,
• 39:37
  if you're in a relationship with somebody, something changes and
• 39:40
  you have to break up. It's not like it's it's not bad.
• 39:44
  It just means that the relationship has the the nature
• 39:47
  of the relationship has changed. It's about.
• 39:51
  It has, well, you know, and whatever that means, like right
• 39:55
  there you go. And then this is, I know this is
• 39:59
  an issue for folks as well when you have the ADHD object
• 40:02
  permanence issue. So if it's not something that
• 40:07
  you see right If it's not. Wait, can you explain what that?
• 40:11
  Is Brandon, do you have the? By all means, go ahead.
• 40:18
  So object permanence is, is kind of like what Freddie was saying.
• 40:22
  It's out of sight, out of mind. So how that can be a challenge
• 40:25
  is I used to have my mom would like steal stuff from me and I
• 40:28
  wouldn't notice it until I would go to her house.
• 40:30
  I'd be like, oh, how did you end up with that?
• 40:32
  She'd be like, oh, you gave it to me and I'm like, no, I
• 40:34
  didn't. But if you're not thinking
• 40:37
  about, if you're not looking at it, it's gone.
• 40:39
  It's not in your consciousness. It doesn't exist anymore, you
• 40:42
  know what I mean? So it's hard to track, keep
• 40:44
  track of all of your possessions and where things are.
• 40:46
  I've been working hard to to undo that and like counter it,
• 40:50
  but it takes time. And it can be applied to people
• 40:54
  as well. So if there's people that you
• 40:56
  don't see often or you don't text with regularly, then it's
• 41:01
  not that you don't care, it's just they're not immediately
• 41:06
  right there, you know? So like if there's someone that
• 41:10
  you text with regularly, they're more permanent in your mind,
• 41:14
  whether it's, you know, you know, someone that you
• 41:17
  automatically you, you always have like a good morning text or
• 41:20
  like a lunchtime text or whatever, or it's a daily thing.
• 41:23
  That person is always more there than someone that is not you
• 41:29
  know. Well, like this.
• 41:32
  And she says, and so with friends, it can be challenging
• 41:34
  because friends are gone, but when you see them, it doesn't
• 41:36
  feel like time has passed. So, and I don't necessarily have
• 41:42
  object permanence in like that kind of a, a, a, like that kind
• 41:45
  of an issue. But I do have there.
• 41:49
  I do have friends where I could go weeks without seeing them.
• 41:53
  But then when I do see them, it it's like we haven't been apart.
• 41:57
  It's like we just pick right up where we left off.
• 42:00
  And you know what I mean? But friendships I think
• 42:03
  sometimes are actually more changeable than romantic
• 42:06
  relationships if you think about it.
• 42:09
  How many friendships have been altered or changed by 1 little
• 42:17
  bit of drama? It got tested.
• 42:22
  It got tested and either it grew stronger from that test or it
• 42:30
  fell apart. And all it takes is 1 little bit
• 42:33
  of drama, whether it is a rumor, whether it is a slight, whether
• 42:37
  it is whatever it is. And that one little thing has
• 42:42
  the potential to ruin potentially years of friendship.
• 42:47
  So I have an example of this. I used to be good friends with,
• 42:56
  let's just say, another person, and this person even let me
• 43:06
  borrow wigs and costumes at some point, and it turned into
• 43:12
  something where somebody said something that I said but turned
• 43:16
  it into something else. I have not spoken to this
• 43:21
  person. I see them all the time, but
• 43:26
  this person has definitely just cut me off completely because of
• 43:32
  what somebody else said. I never even got to say what I
• 43:35
  needed to say, but I. They're just.
• 43:38
  And if that person is watching I I never said those things but
• 43:44
  and things were taken out of context.
• 43:46
  And see, I'm, I'm usually the person that will cut the person
• 43:50
  off. Like I'm, I'm usually like, and
• 43:54
  it, you know, I will, I will try to give people like the benefit
• 43:57
  of the doubt. But then sometimes I'm like,
• 44:00
  this isn't, it's not worth it. It's too much effort.
• 44:03
  I shouldn't have to put this much fucking effort into this.
• 44:06
  And I don't, you know what I mean?
• 44:07
  Like there's it's, you know, so I'm, I'm often I'm the person
• 44:11
  that will do the, the, the cutting off.
• 44:14
  Would you say that we could apply this to also?
• 44:18
  Family because that still falls under the sort of the, the
• 44:22
  platonic relationships, you know, and that's The thing is
• 44:26
  that and, and people, I don't think, I think again when you,
• 44:30
  when you talk about things like relationships and relationship
• 44:32
  fluidity. Maurice O'Donnell apologize for
• 44:34
  working. Almost everyone always thinks
• 44:37
  about romantic or sexual relationships, but really when
• 44:43
  when it comes to that kind of change, especially when it's a
• 44:46
  bigger evolution, it almost always has to do with platonic
• 44:53
  relationship. Jesus, I'm trying to move this
• 44:58
  way now. It almost always has to do with
• 45:03
  with like platonic relationships, families, things
• 45:07
  like that, because how many families get, you know, Oh, I'm,
• 45:11
  I'm, we don't talk anymore because XYZ, you know?
• 45:16
  What about this? Only focus on one person at a
• 45:19
  time. That's that's a thing too.
• 45:22
  You know if you I have not. Thought about.
• 45:24
  It that that is 100% valid because, you know, sometimes
• 45:29
  trying to juggle or manage time with multiple people can be
• 45:35
  tricky, which is why everybody who is Polly has like 50
• 45:40
  different Google calendars because you have to literally
• 45:43
  like that is like and that's that's like and sometimes.
• 45:48
  With. Friends, sometimes you do as
• 45:50
  well. I schedule all my friendship
• 45:52
  Hangouts. You have to, otherwise you don't
• 45:54
  see them. Right.
• 45:56
  You know, you literally have to look at the calendar and it's,
• 45:59
  it's, it's like, it's weird as an adult having to schedule, you
• 46:03
  know what I mean? It's like it's, it's because it
• 46:07
  used to be, hey, you want to go hang out?
• 46:08
  OK, let's go do the thing. But now it's like, let me pull
• 46:10
  up the Google. Calendar and let me see.
• 46:11
  I can fit you in from 2:00 to 4:00 PM three weeks from now.
• 46:18
  You know what I mean? It's like it's a, it gets, you
• 46:19
  know, but I totally get like only being able to focus on one
• 46:22
  person on it, you know, at a time like that.
• 46:24
  I think that also kind of almost has to do with sort of an object
• 46:27
  permanence situation there. You know what I mean?
• 46:30
  Like you can, you know, you can't juggle 50 different
• 46:35
  things. You've one thing.
• 46:37
  Also juggling a family. I'm guilty because I feel like
• 46:44
  I'm all for it, you know? And then I'm juggling their
• 46:49
  calendars. I'm doing, you know, what days
• 46:52
  they have off for school. I have dentist appointments,
• 46:54
  doctor's appointments. And then I'm and then you, you
• 46:57
  say, do you want to hang out? And I'm like, well.
• 47:02
  Yeah, we, we have the the same thing, you know, we try to get
• 47:04
  the kids to remember to put their work and school shit on
• 47:08
  the calendar. But then we also have the now
• 47:13
  we, we have the other added thing where it's like, OK, now
• 47:16
  you have put that on the calendar.
• 47:18
  Does that mean you're going to be here after work or not?
• 47:22
  So like we now we're. Oh, you should have them put it
• 47:27
  on the calendar that they're calling.
• 47:30
  Yes, in theory that would be a wonderful idea in.
• 47:34
  Theory. But I also think that that one
• 47:38
  of the things that doesn't often get talked about and, and I
• 47:42
  think this is something that, you know, we, when we, when we
• 47:45
  talk about relationships changing or ending, you know,
• 47:50
  everybody talks about the, the heartbreak that comes along with
• 47:52
  the loss of a romantic partner. You know you, you, you.
• 47:56
  Have a, a, a. Husband, a wife, whatever, you
• 48:00
  know, partner of many years that you know, that relationship
• 48:05
  ends. And usually even regardless of
• 48:09
  these circumstances around what ended everybody, you know,
• 48:12
  there's always hurt, there's always heartbreak in that, you
• 48:15
  know, there's always that grief. But I think what is less talked
• 48:20
  about is the same heartbreak, the same grief, the same hurt
• 48:24
  that comes along with losing a friendship, which for me
• 48:30
  actually, I think hurts more because my friends are like, my
• 48:37
  friends are more my chosen family than, you know, my
• 48:40
  family. So when I lose a friendship,
• 48:45
  that for me takes a bigger toll. And that's not to say that I am
• 48:51
  not, you know, that I haven't been completely devastated by
• 48:54
  the loss of a romantic partner. Like I don't know what I would
• 48:57
  do if my partner right now, I'd be like, hey, alright, I'm out.
• 49:00
  I'd be like, I would you would I would be a hot fucking mess.
• 49:05
  I'd be a hot fucking mess. Indeed.
• 49:07
  I'd be a hot fucking mess. Thank you.
• 49:10
  But you know, like there, but that's different.
• 49:16
  She's also like my person, my best friend.
• 49:19
  So there's that aspect to it. But but when it comes to like
• 49:24
  friendships, that like problems within friendships, I think hurt
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  me deeper than problems within romantic relationships.
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  I almost feel like it's almost the same.
• 49:38
  I it it it. Depending on the.
• 49:41
  Friendship, depending on the friendship.
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  Wow. But I mean a a a platonic
• 49:54
  friendship is a form of a relationship, right?
• 49:57
  And no, it is right like. Heartbreak is going to feel like
• 50:00
  heartbreak. Even if you're not like in love
• 50:03
  with them, you're in love with that friendship.
• 50:06
  You know what I mean? You have those.
• 50:07
  Laughter, but you can also love your friends.
• 50:10
  That's the thing. I oh.
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  Absolutely like you do, you know, most people do love their
• 50:13
  friends and in whatever capacity that is.
• 50:17
  And I think like for, for me, because I have sort of leaned on
• 50:25
  my friends in, you know, hard times and, and things like that,
• 50:29
  that I think when that gets lost or when that ends, or if there's
• 50:36
  a shift, it, it can take longer for me to get over that.
• 50:43
  Like I think that there, I mean, there is still, there are still
• 50:48
  friendships that were lost years ago for one reason or another.
• 50:54
  And it's not that I, I don't necessarily miss the friendship,
• 50:59
  but I you could miss, I can, I, I miss, I think what the
• 51:06
  friendship could have been, you know what I mean?
• 51:09
  Like, or what it was. I don't necessarily always miss
• 51:13
  the person because if I see who the person has turned into, I'm
• 51:16
  like oh maybe I dodged a bullet but.
• 51:20
  I meant like the person that they were, right?
• 51:23
  The person, but you know, like there, there are some, you know,
• 51:27
  there are some friendships that I'm like God, you know, that
• 51:30
  that still stings a little bit like.
• 51:35
  Do you do you think there's a stronger because I feel like the
• 51:40
  block button is easily accessible and easily determined
• 51:44
  to use. Do you think people solve their
• 51:49
  problems or do you think they they're so quick to just.
• 51:55
  I definitely with the ability to just like hit that block button.
• 52:02
  'Cause even today I saw somebody post like if I block you on
• 52:06
  Facebook, I'm blocking. You in real life and I think
• 52:10
  that's kind of the the, the way that things are now like it's,
• 52:17
  it's easier, I think than to have a conversation and
• 52:21
  sometimes conversations are hard to have like, you know, there
• 52:27
  there's conversations that sometimes I I think I would like
• 52:31
  to have with people, but also I'm not going to be the person
• 52:33
  to initiate that conversation because of XY and Z that may
• 52:38
  have happened. Like I'm not going to be the
• 52:40
  person to reach out because I'm like, no, no, that needs to be
• 52:46
  you because I'm no, we're not we're not going to I'm not going
• 52:50
  to do that. But I think because of with with
• 52:54
  technology and with social media, I think that and because
• 52:56
  not everybody is always in the same place or in that, you know
• 53:02
  what I mean, it's easy to just be like, block, I'll block you
• 53:05
  on Facebook. I'm gonna block you on the
• 53:06
  Instagram. I'm gonna block your number.
• 53:08
  And now out of sight, out of. Mind and be done.
• 53:13
  You know, and I think that's easier for a lot of people than
• 53:18
  trying to have a conversation or, you know, take
• 53:22
  accountability for things that may have happened or, you know
• 53:26
  what I mean, or to to acknowledge that there was hurt.
• 53:29
  I think that it's easier just to block and.
• 53:32
  I, I think in some respects, I do not have a big bubble of
• 53:40
  friends to begin with, but I also acquaintances.
• 53:48
  I, so you all know that I work in social media and digital
• 53:54
  marketing. So what's heartbreaking is when
• 53:58
  I can see your behavior and then I go back and see your behavior
• 54:03
  again. And I'm like, this to me is a
• 54:06
  pattern. I have to reduce this pattern so
• 54:10
  that I don't see this. And sometimes I block people
• 54:13
  without even telling them. And then I get a message as
• 54:15
  like, you blocked me and I'm like, I don't have to explain
• 54:21
  nothing to you, but sometimes I will.
• 54:25
  I'll be like, I noticed that your behavior was not something
• 54:28
  that is on brand with me. And so I need you to either
• 54:32
  evaluate what you're doing. Right.
• 54:35
  And then I can re evaluate what I'm doing right So.
• 54:38
  And I my, you know, my partner says, I mean, to be honest,
• 54:41
  there's a certain person. I've seen a lot of photos of a
• 54:43
  special day of ours and it makes me so not happy to see there are
• 54:45
  a large part of things and then not and I know exactly who she's
• 54:49
  talking about and. Is that me?
• 54:52
  Now I have to go back. Yes, yes, it's you and.
• 54:57
  Of course there was not me such a that person.
• 55:00
  We could fight that. Person like was like I I know
• 55:04
  who she's talking about and that there's a lot of.
• 55:07
  Wait, now I want to go back through the picture.
• 55:09
  A lot of disappointment around that individual and that was
• 55:14
  sort of like a Oh well, I was, I was big wrong on that one like I
• 55:18
  was. Like which not you are you
• 55:20
  talking about though? Mm hmm.
• 55:23
  So I mean, it's interesting, but I think that, you know, people
• 55:26
  need to acknowledge that, you know, regardless of whether it
• 55:30
  is a romantic or sexual relationship, regardless of
• 55:33
  whether it is a platonic friendship, family, whatever it
• 55:37
  is that relationships. Even your parents.
• 55:41
  Anything. I hate saying that because I
• 55:42
  still love my parents and I don't have a a strange
• 55:49
  relationship with them at all but I have known people that are
• 55:53
  like well my mom is treating me this way and I'm.
• 55:56
  Like letting that happen, like I didn't see you, but I think
• 56:00
  people need to acknowledge that all relationships are fluid.
• 56:08
  And you know, the, the relationship that you have with
• 56:13
  someone may not always be that way.
• 56:18
  And that's not a bad thing and it's not a good thing.
• 56:23
  It just is. And I think that that is
• 56:27
  something that if I think if more people kind of looked at it
• 56:32
  as evolution or growth, because even if something is ending,
• 56:38
  that still you find growth and discomfort, right?
• 56:43
  So in that, that in that, that discomfort, you will still find
• 56:50
  growth somewhere, whether it's within yourself, whether it's
• 56:53
  within a different relationship. And relationships can always be
• 56:57
  renegotiated, whatever that means.
• 57:01
  And if that means my boundary is I no longer want anything to do
• 57:05
  with you, that is still being renegotiated.
• 57:07
  That is still evolution and that is still growth.
• 57:10
  And I think that like, yes, relation, when a relationship
• 57:15
  ends, you're still going to feel that hurt.
• 57:16
  You're still going to feel that heartbreak.
• 57:18
  You're still going to feel whatever it is that you feel.
• 57:21
  But I think that more people need to look at things in terms
• 57:24
  of relationship fluidity and that I think will in the long
• 57:31
  run, help that growth instead of just being bitter and cynical
• 57:39
  and miserable because this happened or whatever.
• 57:43
  And it's like, you can be disappointed, you can be upset,
• 57:46
  you can be sad, you can be hurt, But acknowledge it for what it
• 57:50
  is and be able to move past it. Because if you don't, you're
• 57:54
  going to be stuck in it and you're going to be stuck in that
• 57:56
  what if you're going to be stuck in the what if I had only said
• 58:00
  this? Or what if this had happened?
• 58:02
  Or if you get past the what ifs, if you get past all of that
• 58:06
  bullshit and just acknowledge that sometimes things change,
• 58:10
  then. Yeah, I will.
• 58:12
  I will say that I have seen older folks who like in their
• 58:19
  60s, seventies, 80s, who like knew people in high school and
• 58:24
  then all of a sudden they whatever happened in their
• 58:27
  adulthood happened in their adulthood.
• 58:30
  And then they like reunite and they're like, that was so dumb.
• 58:33
  And you're like, yeah, that was so dumb.
• 58:35
  That can happen at any point. Like if there are some people
• 58:38
  that if they reached out to me and they were like, hey, I am
• 58:41
  really fucking sorry this shit happened.
• 58:43
  This, you know, like in fact, that has happened not recently,
• 58:47
  it was a few years ago, but there was a whole bunch of shit
• 58:49
  drama that happened with in my drag family And it came, you
• 58:56
  know, it came back that, you know, somebody reached out and
• 58:59
  was like, I am really sorry that all of this happened and I'm
• 59:02
  going to own my part in it. And at my initial response was
• 59:06
  not, oh, that's great. I'm really happy.
• 59:08
  La La, la, la. I was like, I appreciate the
• 59:12
  apology. I'm going to need a minute, you
• 59:15
  know what I mean? And you can do that too.
• 59:18
  And it again, things can change, but your feelings are valid, but
• 59:23
  you still have to understand that in whatever change it is,
• 59:28
  things are going to be different and just acknowledge it and then
• 59:32
  you can move past it, you know? So there you go.
• 59:37
  All right, we need to move on to our guest this evening.
• 59:42
  Yeah, who's our guest? I have no idea.
• 59:45
  No, we. Don't want you there?
• 59:46
  We're going to never met them there.
• 59:47
  There we go. We're going to move them over
• 59:49
  there. Oh.
• 59:49
  Hi. So for the new folks that maybe
• 59:55
  are just tuning in, maybe you've just sort of found us on the
• 59:57
  podcast or whatever it is. Maybe they haven't, you know,
• 1:00:00
  caught up on all the times that you've been on the show.
• 1:00:04
  Tell us where have they a little bit about?
• 1:00:06
  Who you are? Ever since the beginning when I
• 1:00:09
  gave you both blue nipples. Remember that.
• 1:00:12
  Yes. Well, tell the folks about that.
• 1:00:17
  Well my very first appearance I gave you both blue blue nipples.
• 1:00:20
  But since that appearance I've gone on and I've done over 2000
• 1:00:25
  body paintings. Oh, bigger and better things.
• 1:00:29
  Bigger. And bigger, bigger and better
• 1:00:30
  nipples. Wow, wow.
• 1:00:35
  Are you like are you size shaming my nipples?
• 1:00:39
  These fuckers are designer size. Shame my nipple.
• 1:00:44
  Anyway, I'm just teasing. How?
• 1:00:47
  Not literally, but metaphorically.
• 1:00:48
  You're teasing the metaphors. I have no feeling in my nipples,
• 1:00:52
  so that's completely. Disconnected.
• 1:00:54
  That. That's fine.
• 1:00:57
  But. I shine my nipple.
• 1:00:59
  I'm a multimedia body artist. I have over 15 years of
• 1:01:02
  experience doing body art, but I also have experience in film,
• 1:01:06
  music videos, television. I've released five books, a
• 1:01:10
  yearly calendar for over a decade, and the new one just
• 1:01:14
  came out just a few weeks ago. Is it?
• 1:01:19
  Going to get us kicked off. Not if not if we don't open it.
• 1:01:22
  This is the safe cover, Amethyst.
• 1:01:25
  There's a there's a month that's safe.
• 1:01:27
  Here we go there. You go beautiful.
• 1:01:33
  Yes. The rest of them, not so safe.
• 1:01:37
  Yeah, that's true. That's true, especially my page.
• 1:01:42
  But but what else is available on the website?
• 1:01:46
  And then, yeah, we can talk about other stuff in a second
• 1:01:50
  whenever you're ready. But I have a bunch of stuff
• 1:01:51
  that's coming up that is fun. Oh, we no, trust me, you if you
• 1:01:55
  want to talk about talk about new projects, I was going to ask
• 1:01:57
  you about like what new projects you have coming up.
• 1:02:00
  I would love to know what some of your like favorite projects
• 1:02:03
  have been because you've done so many.
• 1:02:05
  Like absolutely, that's a tough question.
• 1:02:07
  I know a lot of people really like the neon stuff.
• 1:02:11
  If you, if you've, and I know Felicia, you've been in one of
• 1:02:14
  my neon projects, but a lot of people really like the neon
• 1:02:19
  stuff. I think with neon, like my Neon
• 1:02:21
  City project, for example, I wanted to take like the neon
• 1:02:25
  stuff that you saw online that you would see on different
• 1:02:27
  people's body art. And I wanted to kind of elevate
• 1:02:30
  it in a way that was like high art, but also neon.
• 1:02:33
  I was like, those two can exist, right?
• 1:02:35
  It doesn't have to just be splatter paint on people.
• 1:02:37
  Like let's get intricate. Let's get, and it's harder than
• 1:02:40
  it actually sounds to get neon to look really nice on people.
• 1:02:44
  It's not a flattering color. It's not a flattering palette.
• 1:02:47
  The coverage is not flattering. It's, you know, kind of
• 1:02:51
  transparent and so you have to mix it with different colors.
• 1:02:53
  I've I've I've I've tried like I've done a couple neon looks.
• 1:02:57
  They're hard, especially when you're not in black light.
• 1:03:01
  And when you want to be able to do both, if you want to be able
• 1:03:03
  to be good at pretty at day and pretty at night, that's even
• 1:03:06
  harder than just doing one or the other.
• 1:03:08
  Because it's easy to do an only black light look and like look
• 1:03:11
  really nice. But as soon as you get into the
• 1:03:13
  regular light awful, it's harder to do a look that's good for
• 1:03:17
  both. I learned.
• 1:03:20
  But what's really exciting is I have two fun products. 2 fun
• 1:03:26
  shows coming up, the 43rd annual exotic.
• 1:03:30
  This is exotic, the word exotic art show at Alwyn House.
• 1:03:36
  I did my debut there last year and I painted St.
• 1:03:39
  They asked me to mix it up and bring something else to the
• 1:03:42
  stage and so I brought him in since we've done some work
• 1:03:45
  together. He was I painted about pride and
• 1:03:47
  he was the last Mr. BS West before they shut down BS West.
• 1:03:55
  And then I'm also doing exposed Gallery, so Allen House and then
• 1:03:59
  also exposed galleries. This one's coming up sooner.
• 1:04:02
  I think it's is it Valentine's Day?
• 1:04:05
  No, no, that's Owen House. So they expose galleries in
• 1:04:09
  April or May and I'll be painting to someone for first
• 1:04:12
  Friday and that Saturday. So that should be exciting.
• 1:04:17
  And then I also have a go ahead. Sorry.
• 1:04:19
  Sorry, no you. I also, well, no, we can ask a
• 1:04:23
  question or if you wanted to, I can go into the results of my
• 1:04:27
  Patreon poll. I did a Patreon poll.
• 1:04:29
  Yes, look about. That, yeah, and then I'll ask my
• 1:04:33
  question. So I'm going to refresh it.
• 1:04:34
  I'm going to refresh it just in case, but I think I've got the
• 1:04:37
  numbers down there might have been a last last minute.
• 1:04:40
  Nope, they ended up where I thought they'd end up.
• 1:04:42
  OK, so in last place is black and white monochrome, but with
• 1:04:49
  the striking colour pop or prop. I thought, I thought that was a
• 1:04:53
  good one that made it through that made it through a different
• 1:05:00
  bracket. So it made it through the 1st
• 1:05:03
  bracket, but it didn't make it to the end of the game.
• 1:05:06
  I thought that one would be cool too.
• 1:05:08
  I think so too. Third got was Moonlit Dreamers,
• 1:05:13
  which is flowing fabrics, dreamy visuals and like laying poses
• 1:05:17
  kind of like, you know, you're just sort of imagining or
• 1:05:19
  daydreaming, sort of beautiful kind of 80s vibes.
• 1:05:24
  I thought that would be fun and it did well, but it didn't make
• 1:05:27
  it through to the final bracket. Now this one is probably going
• 1:05:32
  to be brought back later. It's a Pokémon themed project
• 1:05:36
  where I have the model, their favorite Pokémon, and I
• 1:05:39
  interview them about their favorite Pokémon.
• 1:05:42
  That is a project I will not be a part of.
• 1:05:45
  So it's kind of like I'm turning them into a Pokémon Trainer,
• 1:05:49
  right? And then they're like, this is
• 1:05:50
  my Pokémon, this is the one that I love, you know what I mean?
• 1:05:53
  So for Freddie, he would probably be Ponita.
• 1:05:58
  I don't know who the fuck that is.
• 1:06:00
  Which one? Is this because they've got the
• 1:06:01
  little ponytail going on? The the, the only the, the one
• 1:06:06
  that I, I, I have no idea what the hell the name of it is, but
• 1:06:08
  the one that kind of looks like a really scary drag queen, the
• 1:06:10
  one that's like, looks like like they just started drag.
• 1:06:14
  Sure. Yeah, it's Jinx.
• 1:06:17
  That that would be you. That would be you.
• 1:06:19
  I feel for that one like girl doesn't have like the like it's
• 1:06:24
  like it's kind of like Felicia, like when she first started drag
• 1:06:27
  with like the wrong shade for, you know, the the like it was
• 1:06:33
  she. I feel for her, I feel, I feel
• 1:06:35
  for her. Well, in first place, this is
• 1:06:39
  the one that took the cake and it took it quite sizably with
• 1:06:43
  44% of the vote. It's a project called
• 1:06:46
  Tessellation, which is a very fun word.
• 1:06:50
  And what that is, is an ancient BC artwork that's still still
• 1:06:55
  used today and it's kind of morphed into technology and
• 1:06:57
  we've experienced it in other ways, but it's tile based
• 1:07:00
  pattern. It's really interesting tiles
• 1:07:02
  that you kind of see. And the fun thing is, is how
• 1:07:05
  will I apply it to body art? How will I, you know, take that
• 1:07:09
  ancient culture and that ancient style of doing art and and apply
• 1:07:12
  it to a modern sensibility? That actually yes, that one
• 1:07:16
  sounded really, really cool like and there's there's so many
• 1:07:21
  different things that you could do with that.
• 1:07:23
  There's so many different directions you can go with that
• 1:07:25
  like that. That one sounds really freaking
• 1:07:27
  cool. I'm I'm like so.
• 1:07:29
  To be so, to be correct. It's not like Mosaic.
• 1:07:32
  It's not like mosaic exactly. It's the patterns are like, if
• 1:07:36
  you remember like kind of ancient tile art, how they had
• 1:07:40
  those like really cool designs and they had all the, you know
• 1:07:43
  what I mean? But mosaic implies kind of like
• 1:07:48
  a picture. These are more like patterns
• 1:07:51
  that you would see on buildings or you would see like, you know,
• 1:07:53
  we have like. A design.
• 1:07:55
  The concrete. Exactly.
• 1:07:57
  You know, they'd stamp the designs out in different
• 1:07:59
  cultures. So it's kind of evolved over the
• 1:08:01
  years, the concept of this. And it's like, well, how can we
• 1:08:05
  apply that to body art? So that should be fun.
• 1:08:10
  And then I'm also working on I, I haven't officially announced
• 1:08:16
  it, but I guess I'm announcing it now.
• 1:08:18
  I quit my panel that I was on for about the last decade at Fan
• 1:08:23
  Fusion. It was, I was on a body
• 1:08:25
  painting, body painting panel, as you know, and, and I was on
• 1:08:30
  it for a decade, but they made some changes last year that I
• 1:08:33
  didn't love. And so I was like, I think I
• 1:08:36
  want to go a different direction.
• 1:08:38
  They're like, you know, AI stuff.
• 1:08:40
  That's that's their thing. I'm not really into that so.
• 1:08:45
  That that should not be. Well, I, I used to do the music
• 1:08:49
  for it. And then they were like, well,
• 1:08:50
  we're going to have AI do the music now.
• 1:08:52
  And I was like, so you're going to have someone that actually
• 1:08:55
  was a DJ who used to spin music. You're going to take that away
• 1:08:58
  from me and that was fun. And you're going to have that.
• 1:09:00
  So that, that was the first strike.
• 1:09:02
  And then they wanted to use AI on the flyer and I said no.
• 1:09:05
  And so they didn't, but that was the second strike.
• 1:09:09
  And then the third strike was they had a photographer and the
• 1:09:11
  cast that was cancelled a few years ago.
• 1:09:14
  And I and he didn't take any photos of our model.
• 1:09:18
  And our model is a trans woman. And so because of the the weird
• 1:09:24
  racist photography and the kind of like creepy subversive stuff
• 1:09:29
  he did in the past, we're like, is it because you don't like
• 1:09:31
  trans people? Like why other photos of the
• 1:09:34
  entire cast but not? But not that's sketchy and fan
• 1:09:38
  fusion is OK. Well, so one of my friends
• 1:09:41
  forwarded it to Fan Fusion. They got a little bit in
• 1:09:43
  trouble, etcetera, etcetera. Bottom line, I pulled out.
• 1:09:47
  I didn't want to be a part of it and I was like, I kind of want
• 1:09:50
  to go a different direction. So I'm talking with someone.
• 1:09:52
  Nothing's approved yet. I'm talking with someone.
• 1:09:55
  We have an idea. It's more of a competition.
• 1:09:58
  It's more of a battle and it would be more like high stakes.
• 1:10:02
  It would be more like curated and more fast-paced.
• 1:10:06
  But I don't know if they'll love it.
• 1:10:08
  So I'm going to I'm going to pitch it to them.
• 1:10:10
  But I would Co host it with someone who is on season 12 of
• 1:10:15
  Face Off. That's pretty cool.
• 1:10:18
  And they would bring the prosthetic experience and I
• 1:10:21
  would bring the body art and both of ours combined would have
• 1:10:24
  the full experience, if that makes sense.
• 1:10:27
  So we're is. This something you would do or
• 1:10:29
  you that you're trying to do at fan fusion or something that
• 1:10:31
  you're trying to do independently of that?
• 1:10:33
  So the goal would be to try to do it at Fan Fusion as a way to
• 1:10:38
  see if it works. If the process works, I have it
• 1:10:40
  all out. I've kind of sketched out what
• 1:10:42
  the flow would go like, and if it works, then maybe we can shop
• 1:10:46
  that around elsewhere. Maybe we can produce a pilot,
• 1:10:49
  you know what I mean? Create an actual television
• 1:10:52
  show. I've always wanted to do reality
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  TV and I've been asked to be on reality TV before, so why not do
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  it myself? Why not create my own world?
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  You know what I mean? But I'm getting out of myself.
• 1:11:04
  That's still some steps ahead. But we're building the building
• 1:11:06
  blocks. We're building the universe for
• 1:11:08
  that and what that looks like, so.
• 1:11:10
  That's pretty cool. Yeah, fingers crossed to go
• 1:11:12
  somewhere awesome and productive, but that's one of
• 1:11:14
  the things I'm focused on this year is bringing that into
• 1:11:17
  fruition and and still producing great art, you know what I mean,
• 1:11:21
  in the process. I'm always fascinated to learn
• 1:11:26
  all the projects that you're working on.
• 1:11:30
  What I was going to ask is what Freddie and I have both been
• 1:11:36
  through the experience numerous times and for the folks that
• 1:11:40
  have not been through an experience with you, can you
• 1:11:43
  talk about it? And, and I know we ask this
• 1:11:45
  question every time you're on here, but I feel like sometimes
• 1:11:48
  there are new people that have not experienced the body art
• 1:11:53
  experience 'cause even we were talking at Friendsgiving with
• 1:11:59
  someone about getting the experience with you and they
• 1:12:03
  were talking about like how they're not comfortable with
• 1:12:05
  their body. And we were like, no, this has
• 1:12:08
  been like the most like comfortable thing.
• 1:12:12
  I don't feel so please please. Absolutely.
• 1:12:17
  So one of the things that I think is really important and is
• 1:12:19
  kind of the hallmark of the creation process is that I, I
• 1:12:23
  try to sit with you and know those feelings.
• 1:12:25
  If you have somebody dysmorphia, I've experienced body dysmorphia
• 1:12:28
  as well. You know what I mean?
• 1:12:29
  Whatever you're going through, let's talk about it.
• 1:12:31
  Let's get you through and get you confident.
• 1:12:34
  So that way when I'm painting you, you're in the right
• 1:12:38
  headspace. Maybe that means you don't take
• 1:12:40
  off all your clothing efforts. Maybe that means we talked about
• 1:12:42
  it for 20 minutes and we, we are.
• 1:12:45
  And you're like, OK, I can do this.
• 1:12:47
  You know what I mean? But I'm not there to rush you.
• 1:12:49
  I'm not there to make you feel like I just want to see you
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  naked or anything like that. It's it's an experience we're
• 1:12:55
  sharing together and I'm sort of taking away all the clothes and
• 1:13:00
  building up the armor, building up something cool, turning you
• 1:13:02
  into a superhero or a creature or a monster maybe.
• 1:13:05
  Everyone says you're nice and you want to be scary.
• 1:13:07
  You know what I mean? That's a way of subverting those
• 1:13:10
  expectations. I've had people like women that
• 1:13:12
  have been like, can you make me scary?
• 1:13:14
  I'm tired of people telling me I look nice and I'm like, yeah,
• 1:13:16
  let's make you look horrifying. So it could be whatever the
• 1:13:21
  fantasy is. People want to look cute.
• 1:13:22
  They want to be sexy. They want to be monstrous.
• 1:13:25
  It's a it's a chance as an adult to play.
• 1:13:29
  And we don't really have those opportunities anymore.
• 1:13:31
  We don't really have those spaces where adults can just
• 1:13:33
  play and do fun things. I think we give those
• 1:13:36
  experiences to kids, but really they should be for adults as
• 1:13:39
  well, honestly. One of my, one of my favorite
• 1:13:42
  things to tell people, you know, because it's, it's hard,
• 1:13:46
  especially like as a, as a trans person to feel, you know,
• 1:13:50
  totally comfortable in, in our bodies, you know, for one reason
• 1:13:56
  or another for, you know, whatever.
• 1:13:59
  But I always, I always like to tell people that you were
• 1:14:01
  actually the first person besides my partner at the time
• 1:14:03
  to see me naked after top surgery.
• 1:14:05
  Yes, that's true. That's a big deal.
• 1:14:08
  It is a big deal. How did that feel like being
• 1:14:10
  vulnerable like that, and especially being painted?
• 1:14:13
  It was like, it was so empowering, like because up
• 1:14:20
  until that point it was like, you know, I when it comes to my
• 1:14:23
  own dysphoria and things like that, I have, I don't have a lot
• 1:14:28
  of it. And what I did have was
• 1:14:30
  basically purely centered around my chest because I was very
• 1:14:33
  large chested. I was at a 48 double D by the
• 1:14:36
  time I had top surgery. Like I was big.
• 1:14:39
  I had very, so you know, nothing.
• 1:14:43
  My shirts never fit the way I wanted them to.
• 1:14:45
  Nothing ever fit the way I wanted them to.
• 1:14:46
  I'd wear a binder. People probably fixated on the
• 1:14:49
  thing that you didn't want them to fixate on too.
• 1:14:51
  Right. You know, so, you know, and even
• 1:14:56
  a lot of times when I was with a partner, I always wore a tank
• 1:14:59
  top or whatever. I was never completely naked.
• 1:15:02
  So after top surgery, I was like, and I wasn't necessarily,
• 1:15:07
  like, taking my shirt off everywhere, but it was
• 1:15:09
  definitely a hell of a lot more comfortable to even be shirtless
• 1:15:14
  in my own home, you know? So when the opportunity came up
• 1:15:19
  and you were like, hey, let's do this thing.
• 1:15:21
  I was like, yeah. And my partner at the time was
• 1:15:25
  like, how naked are you going to be?
• 1:15:27
  And I'm like, I don't give a fuck.
• 1:15:28
  I don't think at all. I don't care.
• 1:15:29
  Yeah. Like because I was more
• 1:15:31
  comfortable in myself and the entire process was it was, I
• 1:15:38
  felt safe. I felt comfortable.
• 1:15:40
  There was never any time when it, you know, I've, I've ever
• 1:15:45
  felt objectified or anything like that.
• 1:15:48
  So, you know, when we, when we talked to people like we were
• 1:15:51
  when we were sitting around the fire pit, it, you know, later in
• 1:15:53
  Friendsgiving and, and, you know, talking about this stuff,
• 1:15:56
  there were quite a few of us that have been painted.
• 1:15:58
  You know, myself, Felicia was there, Devin was there and you
• 1:16:02
  know, our friend was like, you know, I don't, I don't know if
• 1:16:05
  I, I, I generally aren't, you know, I'm not super comfortable
• 1:16:09
  about it. You know, when we were talking
• 1:16:10
  about the experience and we all like literally brought out our
• 1:16:13
  phones. We were like, check this out.
• 1:16:16
  And she was like, holy shit. You know, so we, you know, that
• 1:16:20
  and that I think the people that have worked with you are the
• 1:16:25
  best advertisement for being a part of your projects.
• 1:16:29
  That part because there I don't, I don't, I don't think there is
• 1:16:35
  anyone that could say, I mean, besides you, because we know
• 1:16:39
  that you have dealt with some shit with some of your clients.
• 1:16:43
  But as far as but as far as you know, the non problematic
• 1:16:48
  people, there's I don't think that there is anyone that could
• 1:16:53
  say that they didn't feel comfortable getting painted and
• 1:17:01
  that like, regardless of how naked we got, like there was
• 1:17:05
  never anything weird. It was never anything that was
• 1:17:09
  like, oh, I don't, I don't, I don't know.
• 1:17:12
  There was some, you know, there's there was consent is
• 1:17:15
  always. No question.
• 1:17:16
  Never Consent is always, you know, at the the head of
• 1:17:20
  everything and you never go further.
• 1:17:25
  As far as what is being painted and nakedness, then the other
• 1:17:29
  person is comfortable. Can I, can I put a point to that
• 1:17:32
  one thing that bothers me about some photographers?
• 1:17:35
  There's a few things that bother me.
• 1:17:37
  I don't like it when photographers comment on
• 1:17:39
  people's bodies. So if you sexualize or fixate on
• 1:17:43
  people's bodies, I find that very uncomfortable.
• 1:17:45
  I usually photograph all my own work, as you know, but every
• 1:17:49
  once in a while, people will hire me to paint but not to
• 1:17:53
  photograph. And so I can see what they're
• 1:17:55
  doing. I can see how they treat the
• 1:17:57
  model. I can see all of the red flags
• 1:18:00
  that they do. And I work with people in West
• 1:18:02
  Hollywood who have red flags, you know what I mean?
• 1:18:05
  And they'd be like, I wonder if we can get them naked.
• 1:18:07
  And I'm like, you should have communicated that to them at the
• 1:18:10
  beginning before we even got here if that was.
• 1:18:13
  Your. End but they're and the photo
• 1:18:16
  shoot was done and they're like well, now that the photo shoots
• 1:18:18
  done maybe we can get them naked and I'm like.
• 1:18:20
  No. Gross.
• 1:18:22
  Yeah, wrapped up. Like we're over.
• 1:18:23
  Like, no, we're we're done. We're not gonna do this bonus
• 1:18:26
  footage whatever and get somebody naked just for shit.
• 1:18:28
  That's. Not a thing?
• 1:18:30
  Well. For me, for me, my my goal and
• 1:18:33
  my approach is that I'm transparent with you all the way
• 1:18:37
  through the process and the scheduling process.
• 1:18:39
  When you get there, there's consent, there's conversation,
• 1:18:43
  we're talking about it. If I sense that you're getting
• 1:18:46
  uncomfortable, if someone says oh, I need a moment or whatever
• 1:18:49
  the case may be, obviously we would stop.
• 1:18:51
  We would take a moment. You get yourself centered and
• 1:18:54
  then you go, OK, I think I'm ready or I'm not ready, whatever
• 1:18:57
  the case may be, right? But I don't gain any benefit for
• 1:19:00
  making someone uncomfortable. I don't gain any benefit for
• 1:19:03
  them having a bad experience. And as we discussed earlier at
• 1:19:07
  the top of the hour, the Internet is a place where things
• 1:19:10
  spread instantly, right? People talk instantly.
• 1:19:15
  And if you are doing bad behavior, people are talking
• 1:19:18
  about that bad behavior, right? So why not shoot, you know, nip
• 1:19:24
  that in the bud and just not do that?
• 1:19:29
  I know that's a weird concept. Like I know it seems really
• 1:19:36
  difficult for some people though to just not be problematic.
• 1:19:38
  Like don't be problematic. Yes.
• 1:19:42
  How hard is this? Don't usually.
• 1:19:45
  Communicate. You know what I mean?
• 1:19:48
  Like, but apparently it is really difficult for some people
• 1:19:51
  to not fucking be problematic. So all right, I have, I have a
• 1:19:56
  question for you. OK, all the different things
• 1:19:58
  that you've done, right, You have done.
• 1:20:02
  Projects that have covered every possible genre, every topic,
• 1:20:08
  every whatever do you have if you if, if, if cost time,
• 1:20:17
  materials, whatever were no object.
• 1:20:19
  If you had free reign to do all the things you had whatever.
• 1:20:24
  Do you have a like a bucket list like projects, something that is
• 1:20:31
  so like big and right now seems not really doable.
• 1:20:36
  But like if if there were no limits on anything, you had no
• 1:20:41
  limitations on whatever. Like do you have that bucket
• 1:20:45
  list that that, Oh my God, this would be a dream project.
• 1:20:49
  Oh absolutely. I think my last big dream
• 1:20:51
  project was my tarot deck. And if you remember, for my
• 1:20:54
  tarot project, I painted myself as the magician and that took me
• 1:21:00
  3 months to build. I built a hat, I built a
• 1:21:03
  shoulder piece, I built like the accoutrements and everything.
• 1:21:06
  And that took me a long time. But the thing was, is that gave
• 1:21:09
  me the building blocks to go, wait a minute, what if I did
• 1:21:12
  that for like the Met Gala? What if I did that for the
• 1:21:15
  runway, but on a more advanced level?
• 1:21:18
  I've already done runway shows before, I've done music videos,
• 1:21:20
  I've done all that stuff. But for me, I want to sort of
• 1:21:24
  curate what I think is like the future of fashion.
• 1:21:27
  I think it would be fun to have like mechanical outfits.
• 1:21:29
  So like move and have little LED panels and change colors.
• 1:21:33
  I'm fascinated by robotics and 3D printing.
• 1:21:36
  So if like money was no object, you know what I mean?
• 1:21:39
  You would have outfits that would be, I think where we want
• 1:21:44
  to see the future of outfits to go.
• 1:21:46
  You know what I mean? We always have this idea of what
• 1:21:48
  the future should look like, but the technology for clothes isn't
• 1:21:50
  really there. What if we implemented that to
• 1:21:53
  the clothing? So that's not going to be
• 1:21:55
  something that is short term. It's more of a long term goal,
• 1:22:00
  but clothing. And then I also want to really
• 1:22:02
  get back into making video games.
• 1:22:03
  I miss that. I did.
• 1:22:04
  I did do a game that was released on Steam, but then they
• 1:22:07
  ran out of money, so they didn't finish it.
• 1:22:10
  I was the concept artist for it. I know it sucked.
• 1:22:13
  They hired a bunch of voice talent and then ran out of money
• 1:22:15
  so. Oops.
• 1:22:17
  Yeah, the voices are expensive. I mean, they got the guy that
• 1:22:23
  did the voice for Wolverine. Like they got like, big.
• 1:22:26
  People maybe, maybe, maybe they should have, you know, right?
• 1:22:31
  Or or maybe found people that maybe weren't so expensive,
• 1:22:34
  right? Or paint the art of this, not
• 1:22:36
  fire them, right? But that's my dream.
• 1:22:42
  Is is. Is like 3.
• 1:22:44
  D Fashion. So online you mentioned
• 1:22:52
  publishing a book. Tell us more.
• 1:22:58
  Tell us more about this dream because you have already made a
• 1:23:01
  public knowledge. I I'm just picking up the apple.
• 1:23:04
  So I I did release a bunch of books before my publisher went
• 1:23:08
  out of business and I've been really dreaming about it and
• 1:23:11
  thinking about it and I really want to release a couple
• 1:23:14
  different books. One of them is I want to release
• 1:23:15
  books that are featured on one specific model.
• 1:23:18
  So for example, Seth was on my first music video.
• 1:23:21
  He was my first magazine cover. We have a lot of first together.
• 1:23:25
  He was on The CW with me, his first TV appearance.
• 1:23:28
  He would be a great candidate to do like a book about just a
• 1:23:31
  person. But I also think it would be fun
• 1:23:34
  to do what's, what I want to call it the book of poses.
• 1:23:37
  And So what I'd like to do is I would like to have either
• 1:23:40
  photography or traditional photography, different poses or
• 1:23:44
  maybe each pose in different fashion, right?
• 1:23:47
  And what that would look like for people to use as reference.
• 1:23:49
  It would be both a coffee table book to have conversation about,
• 1:23:52
  but also a practical book if you're a photographer and you're
• 1:23:55
  like, what is some unconventional poses that I can
• 1:23:57
  do? Well, here would be some
• 1:23:59
  options. You know what I mean?
• 1:24:00
  Because I've, I've seen a lot, I've done a lot, I've worked
• 1:24:02
  with a lot of people. I.
• 1:24:04
  Have a couple of those. Yeah, they're very expensive.
• 1:24:07
  They usually are the hardback books.
• 1:24:08
  Those are types of books I like to make is like the thick copy.
• 1:24:11
  Table I don't let people take. You're like, no, no, no, this is
• 1:24:14
  priceless. You can't.
• 1:24:20
  No, you can't. You can't borrow that one.
• 1:24:23
  You can't borrow that one. But I love making coffee table
• 1:24:26
  books. I think that, you know,
• 1:24:28
  especially with AI and with the with the Internet and stuff and
• 1:24:31
  everything being so fast and easy to get, it's nice to hold
• 1:24:34
  something physical once in a while and, and go through the
• 1:24:36
  pages and smell the book and just see it, see the pictures
• 1:24:40
  and enjoy it and share it with your friends and have it be a
• 1:24:43
  conversation piece. Because I think art should be
• 1:24:46
  about having a conversation. It should inspire.
• 1:24:48
  I mean, your make up Freddie is very inspiring today.
• 1:24:51
  Felicia, you based your make up on the shirt that you're
• 1:24:53
  wearing, which is Holler holler Holler body or Brandon.
• 1:24:59
  So like you both are good examples of people who are
• 1:25:01
  creative, who like explore, who do make up.
• 1:25:04
  Art is meant to inspire other art.
• 1:25:08
  So speaking on this is so I'm in a lot of the photographer slash
• 1:25:18
  entrepreneur slash whatever creative people.
• 1:25:22
  Somebody wrote a post today that said, you know, AI can give you
• 1:25:27
  basically anything at any point now.
• 1:25:31
  And you know, and Freddie and I have ranted on about like don't
• 1:25:36
  go do the AI especially. I think it's more irritating
• 1:25:40
  when we have entertainers that that's.
• 1:25:47
  The first one. We have entertainers.
• 1:25:51
  I haven't talked that much. We have entertainers that know
• 1:25:57
  they it that I. Won't I won't say, but I know I
• 1:26:00
  know what you're talking about. Yes.
• 1:26:04
  I don't mind like dare I say like common folk doing like the
• 1:26:08
  quick little AIS during, you know, the holidays or whatever.
• 1:26:11
  But I do mind when folks like us think like 3 months in advance
• 1:26:19
  or we think, you know, like, but I will say that the experience
• 1:26:24
  that folks are not going to get when they don't hire a
• 1:26:28
  photographer is the experience. If you are working with a well
• 1:26:32
  qualified photographer and even Freddie has worked with me, I
• 1:26:37
  want to make sure that you are feeling like the utmost best.
• 1:26:41
  I want you to feel beautiful. I want you to I want you to
• 1:26:45
  remember that this is how you got to this photo.
• 1:26:49
  I don't ever do you feel like people at that discussion of AI
• 1:26:55
  needs to be had is that they are missing out on the they're.
• 1:26:59
  Missing out on the journey, right?
• 1:27:01
  It's like when you're an artist, if you tell an artist, you know,
• 1:27:05
  like like you would tell a chef, right?
• 1:27:06
  You wouldn't tell a chef just go out and and buy a bunch of
• 1:27:09
  cupcakes, right? You would want to or Baker,
• 1:27:12
  right? You'd want them to make the the
• 1:27:13
  cupcakes, they'd want to create it and taste it and have the
• 1:27:16
  flavors and all that stuff. So people who create stuff,
• 1:27:19
  people who bake, people who are are into the world of that
• 1:27:22
  stuff, they don't want the fast shortcut, right?
• 1:27:26
  Sure, you can push a button and make your makeup look like
• 1:27:28
  whatever random button it looks like, right?
• 1:27:30
  But you didn't make it. It wasn't your soul.
• 1:27:32
  You didn't choose that color. You didn't think about that fun
• 1:27:34
  highlight. Like Freddy, you have a lot of
• 1:27:36
  fun stuff and Felicia have a lot of fun stuff on your face
• 1:27:38
  tonight. But that was because you thought
• 1:27:40
  about it. Use your imagination, right?
• 1:27:43
  With AI, there's not any imagination.
• 1:27:45
  You're just borrowing something that someone else did.
• 1:27:48
  That's like and let's. And it kills me when there's
• 1:27:51
  like 6 of them as I'm scrolling and everybody has the same pose
• 1:27:55
  or the same. And let's be real, most of those
• 1:27:58
  people never look like that. Their makeup never fucking looks
• 1:28:03
  like that. Their costumes never fucking
• 1:28:05
  look like that. And like, I know you never
• 1:28:08
  fucking look like that because I see you.
• 1:28:10
  Like, there's no way. Like you can't.
• 1:28:12
  You can't even like buy into that because it's, it's
• 1:28:18
  essentially, it's false advertising.
• 1:28:20
  Right. You know, and like when
• 1:28:22
  everybody was doing all the holiday shit, I was like, Jesus
• 1:28:24
  fucking Christ, which is why I posted the the pictures that I
• 1:28:28
  did with Holly a couple years ago of me and the being the the
• 1:28:33
  elf and. I went.
• 1:28:35
  There's no. Fucking AI on this like they're
• 1:28:39
  and it's they're people like what about the background?
• 1:28:41
  That's not AI. That's finding a fucking image
• 1:28:43
  and putting it in the fucking background.
• 1:28:44
  That's not AI. Like it's that's it's editing.
• 1:28:46
  It's not AI. There's a difference and I'm
• 1:28:49
  like. I will say that AI is helpful in
• 1:28:53
  editing, but I also feel like people are still missing the
• 1:29:01
  experience. They're missing that
• 1:29:04
  opportunity. Oh God, I have heard friends
• 1:29:08
  talking. About but like and like talking
• 1:29:10
  about like the experience, like I love when I get to do a photo
• 1:29:14
  shoot, whether it's with Holly, whether it's with gonzo,
• 1:29:18
  whatever. And you know, you're standing
• 1:29:19
  there and you're just like, I'm going to do this thing and I'm
• 1:29:23
  going to look over here and I'm going to try and you know, and
• 1:29:25
  you don't know what the hell it looks like.
• 1:29:26
  You're like, I could look like a total moron.
• 1:29:29
  And then they're like just in the camera.
• 1:29:32
  They're like, oh, look at this. And you're like, holy shit, I
• 1:29:35
  look awesome. And with AI, if you just push a
• 1:29:40
  button, you can't recreate that. You're you, you, you can try
• 1:29:46
  like and it's not going to be this thing.
• 1:29:48
  But it has like a hollow dead expression looking back.
• 1:29:51
  That's what I think with AI. Like whenever I look at AI it's
• 1:29:54
  always the same like dead dead face.
• 1:29:58
  There's nothing there and a lot of times I'm like, like again,
• 1:30:01
  it doesn't even look like you. The thing with AI is it keeps
• 1:30:09
  stretching my neck and I don't. Stretching your neck.
• 1:30:15
  I mean, there's all of that, but then.
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  I will thank you. There's still all the the effect
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  on the on the environment that AI has.
• 1:30:25
  Like it's literally it is using up resources that we do not have
• 1:30:30
  and literally like water. And everything.
• 1:30:32
  Seriously. Like.
• 1:30:34
  Also, there's a couple of webinars that I've been on that
• 1:30:40
  they have not very once we get off this hype train, it has the
• 1:30:45
  echo effect of these things that we keep doing like mortgage
• 1:30:51
  bubbles andthe.com era. These are things that they get
• 1:30:56
  us so hyped up about. And I say they because it's like
• 1:31:01
  the millionaires and the billionaires say it put AI in
• 1:31:05
  everything, get so hyped up on it, right?
• 1:31:10
  Yes, yes, still. But it doesn't realize that
• 1:31:13
  there's three Rs in Strawberry anyway.
• 1:31:19
  So it's not going to solve our problems.
• 1:31:21
  But also creativity is. And what AI cuts out is the
• 1:31:27
  critical thinking. When you're working with the
• 1:31:30
  photographer, when you're working with the artist, you're
• 1:31:33
  thinking not 1 + 1, you're thinking 1 plus many.
• 1:31:37
  Or you're thinking, I could do this, but I can do that.
• 1:31:40
  And there there's just not a lot.
• 1:31:45
  And I was very offended today because somebody told me that I
• 1:31:48
  can make a logo with ChatGPT and they wanted to send it to me.
• 1:31:53
  So no, no, no, no, ma'am. I'm like, look, if you don't
• 1:31:58
  want to pay a lot, you can still use things.
• 1:32:00
  I don't know, you can still go to Fiverr.
• 1:32:01
  Like there's, there's, there are still ways to be able to like go
• 1:32:07
  to an artist that will do it for less, you know what I mean?
• 1:32:11
  But it's still at least going to an artist you know but.
• 1:32:15
  An artist starting out, maybe they would be willing to do it
• 1:32:17
  for a little less, you know? And let's be clear, I think that
• 1:32:20
  there are some applications where AI does make sense and art
• 1:32:25
  is not one of them. I think that there are there are
• 1:32:31
  scientific applications for AI that makes sense.
• 1:32:34
  I think that there is potential for medical applications for AI
• 1:32:39
  that makes sense. And because there's already been
• 1:32:42
  a few things that have been proven that AI was helpful for
• 1:32:46
  that, I think there's something that.
• 1:32:47
  Like stems, right? There, I think that there is
• 1:32:50
  there are, because the fact of the matter is technology is
• 1:32:53
  technology and it's going to go that way.
• 1:32:55
  But I think that using AI for art should not be a thing.
• 1:33:02
  Using AI for science and things like that, I think is makes more
• 1:33:08
  sense than it does then the art, because you're still, there's
• 1:33:13
  still Gray areas and there's still something that but art
• 1:33:15
  should not be artificial because I think that that's what people
• 1:33:21
  are forgetting what AI stands for.
• 1:33:24
  Also, we have to be care. So I would be careful to those
• 1:33:29
  folks that are watching that sometimes.
• 1:33:35
  And a lot of people are copywriting and getting patents
• 1:33:41
  made for their faces and their likeness.
• 1:33:45
  Kevin Hart I saw an article about Kevin Hart and Matthew
• 1:33:49
  McConaughey. They are submitting copyright
• 1:33:55
  for their voices, their likeness and their faces because they're
• 1:34:00
  deep fakes that have been created using those two.
• 1:34:05
  I'll say artists because they they have all kinds of things
• 1:34:08
  going on. Like Matthew McConaughey even
• 1:34:12
  got trademarked the alright, alright, alright.
• 1:34:15
  Because he feels like that's gonna be like, somebody's gonna
• 1:34:21
  make a deep fake with his face, his voice, and go like, oh.
• 1:34:25
  Like he's like he's approving. Dump truck.
• 1:34:27
  Alright, alright, alright. And you know he's not with.
• 1:34:30
  And like that, all the stuff, anytime you do shit like that,
• 1:34:34
  it's already been proven that AI is being used for facial
• 1:34:36
  recognition for all of this other shit.
• 1:34:39
  So every time that you use AI for one of these photography
• 1:34:44
  things, whatever one of these little trends, you're making it
• 1:34:48
  easier for people to be able to use that software for things
• 1:34:51
  that they shouldn't be using that software for.
• 1:34:53
  It's. True.
• 1:34:55
  Yes, and I will say that in some of the apps it does say that you
• 1:35:00
  have agreed to let them use your likeness.
• 1:35:03
  And some of that is like, you know what the hell?
• 1:35:05
  Like there's, but don't contribute to the problem any
• 1:35:09
  more than you are. You also what's creepy is AI
• 1:35:12
  commercials. Yeah, I'm tired of those.
• 1:35:14
  Are they AI boyfriend like advertisements?
• 1:35:17
  It's. So weird.
• 1:35:19
  Oh God, so weird. No, there's like a Medicare
• 1:35:24
  commercial that the guy sits there like this, no motion, no
• 1:35:30
  motion in the face and he goes. No, I hate it and.
• 1:35:37
  You're like. You know what, if you're going
• 1:35:39
  to go that route, just have like Disney build you an animatronic
• 1:35:42
  and just, you know what I mean? Be like.
• 1:35:45
  I mean, Olaf is walking around Disney, right?
• 1:35:48
  Like there's there's. So many things that you could do
• 1:35:50
  with technology that isn't that All right, I have.
• 1:35:53
  I have one last question for you, Brandon.
• 1:35:56
  OK. All right, I'm ready.
• 1:36:00
  If you were to pick one project that you've already done right,
• 1:36:04
  because we all know that this is, you know, there are no
• 1:36:07
  guarantees. 1000. You had one project that you've
• 1:36:11
  already done. Which project would you pick to
• 1:36:15
  be your legacy if you had to pick one?
• 1:36:18
  Everything else, the the all art is being destroyed.
• 1:36:21
  There's been a bomb. I don't know whatever.
• 1:36:23
  There's, there is one, one project to look at like this is
• 1:36:27
  going to be what the aliens find or what, you know, a historian
• 1:36:32
  will find hundreds of years now buried in the rubble of the, you
• 1:36:35
  know, the atomic war. You know, this, this, this one
• 1:36:39
  thing is what you will be known by.
• 1:36:42
  What is it? Yeah, I I thought for a second
• 1:36:46
  year ago the opposite direction. It'd be like which project will
• 1:36:49
  you strike from everyone's memory so they'll never remember
• 1:36:51
  it ever again? Oh, that would be also a good
• 1:36:53
  question. I'm just kidding.
• 1:36:55
  But probably my Gods and Monsters project then, because
• 1:37:01
  we're talking about historical projects.
• 1:37:03
  That was my take on a probably about what, 60 or 70 people I
• 1:37:07
  painted for that project. Different deities.
• 1:37:11
  So I did like Anubis, right? I did.
• 1:37:14
  Different Greek gods I did. I was Loki and that's probably
• 1:37:18
  one of my favorites. I think that's like one of the
• 1:37:22
  like, that was actually the picture that I pulled up at
• 1:37:24
  Friendsgiving to show people was looking.
• 1:37:26
  Oh good. Yes, I pulled up the Cyborg.
• 1:37:29
  I. Love the Cyborg one, I just saw
• 1:37:31
  it the other day. You look so animated at that
• 1:37:33
  shot when you're doing the little the shot like this and
• 1:37:36
  you have your mouth open. I miss that body too.
• 1:37:39
  That was very free kids. That was very free kids.
• 1:37:43
  That body was beautiful. Does it make you look back at
• 1:37:47
  your body lovingly though that you were like, hey, I was?
• 1:37:50
  Looking pretty good but I I long for the day.
• 1:37:54
  I know I'm like, oh, I was about 20 lbs thinner and all of these.
• 1:37:58
  Great, I painted you Friday in your twink face.
• 1:38:01
  My twink face. I don't think I ever had a twink
• 1:38:03
  face. Well, you know, coming up as a
• 1:38:05
  trans man face, right? Yeah, your twink face.
• 1:38:08
  Oh, oh, OK, make it. That's OK.
• 1:38:17
  Do you have any? OK.
• 1:38:18
  So we talked about Almond House, we talked about Exposed.
• 1:38:23
  Make sure folks that you are following Brandon's art on all
• 1:38:27
  the socials so that you can keep up on what they are doing and
• 1:38:31
  where you can go see them paint and projects that are upcoming
• 1:38:34
  if you want to be a part of all of their projects.
• 1:38:36
  If you go to the website, it's all on the website.
• 1:38:39
  I've been nosing around. Yeah, I keep my Patreon pretty
• 1:38:42
  regularly. My website, not as much
• 1:38:45
  regularly, but patreon.com/abbm, that one.
• 1:38:50
  Oh yeah, no, it's OK. That one I update really
• 1:38:53
  regularly. I I put a calendar on Monday and
• 1:38:56
  I say this is all the things that are coming out.
• 1:38:58
  I was a little ambitious. I posted 4 things on Monday
• 1:39:01
  which is probably too much. I couldn't.
• 1:39:05
  I I did it and then I was like what were you doing?
• 1:39:07
  Why do you, who are you proving it to?
• 1:39:08
  Why do you need to have 4 posts on Monday?
• 1:39:10
  So next week I'm going to pull it back.
• 1:39:13
  It's OK. Yeah, but I was like, let me
• 1:39:15
  give you the value. Let me.
• 1:39:17
  So yeah. You also can schedule that.
• 1:39:22
  You can schedule. Next time you get ambitious, go
• 1:39:24
  I'm. Going to set the things exactly,
• 1:39:26
  But I was feeling ambitious and I had been finding a lot of old
• 1:39:29
  photos because I've been moving some stuff to a new hard drive.
• 1:39:32
  And so you're like nostalgic. You're going through all the old
• 1:39:35
  days and you're like, oh, look at that, from 2014, you know?
• 1:39:41
  But yeah. So what did I answer your
• 1:39:43
  question? Yes, yes, you are.
• 1:39:49
  Alicia. What do we have going on now?
• 1:39:54
  Oh, can we do this one? Oh yes, we do have this one.
• 1:40:00
  All right, so we do have in February.
• 1:40:03
  The end of February is the our annual drag story, our
• 1:40:07
  fundraiser. We're celebrating 7.
• 1:40:10
  Years. Seven years.
• 1:40:12
  This is in person too. This is not.
• 1:40:17
  Yeah, this is this is Michelle in Canva.
• 1:40:20
  That's her heart. You know, I respect people that.
• 1:40:27
  You know what I I do things in Canva as well.
• 1:40:30
  I am also a graphic designer. You're welcome.
• 1:40:33
  I respect Michelle. Whatever.
• 1:40:36
  If you want to get your tickets, get your tickets, you can use
• 1:40:41
  our code Live 2026 and you can get 20% off of your tickets.
• 1:40:48
  We're also looking for sponsors, folks that want to donate to the
• 1:40:53
  raffle prizes. We already have some great folks
• 1:40:56
  and things that are are being raffled.
• 1:40:58
  I'm like, some things are really kind of.
• 1:41:00
  Bad. I can donate.
• 1:41:01
  I can donate. Oh that would be awesome.
• 1:41:04
  We can chat about that for sure. And yeah, come out and come do
• 1:41:09
  the thing. It's relatively early, so you
• 1:41:11
  can still, you know, get out and go to the.
• 1:41:14
  You can make it home and tuck the kids after that go.
• 1:41:16
  To the bar or whatever it is that you feel like you have to
• 1:41:18
  do after you know the thing. So yes, come do that, get your
• 1:41:24
  tickets. If there's we are like again, if
• 1:41:26
  you are interested in sponsoring any of the raffle prizes, if you
• 1:41:30
  want to put together a basket, if you have a service, if you
• 1:41:33
  you know whatever, contact myself.
• 1:41:37
  I'm would be the best person for that.
• 1:41:39
  As far as people that are here, contact myself and I will get
• 1:41:43
  you set up for that. Yeah.
• 1:41:50
  And then on on Sunday, I'm doing a brunch at Testal Mexican.
• 1:42:01
  It is wonderful. It's run by Fernando, who used
• 1:42:05
  to do a lot of photography for Ion, In fact, was one of my
• 1:42:11
  first photographers when I started.
• 1:42:13
  Drag in the right color. Yeah.
• 1:42:19
  Felicia is throwing it back to her original foundation color
• 1:42:23
  tonight. This.
• 1:42:24
  Is this is a blue? This is blue.
• 1:42:27
  Thank you. Not clown white.
• 1:42:30
  That's fine. You know, and I sent Freddie a
• 1:42:34
  picture of another black Queen that was like struggling in the
• 1:42:37
  beginning. I was like, see it?
• 1:42:39
  Happened. We all start somewhere.
• 1:42:41
  We all start somewhere. Like, but hers was like bright
• 1:42:45
  in the middle and I was like, oh God, I at least look like a
• 1:42:51
  clown through and through, but jeez, what the hell.
• 1:42:54
  Anyway, so that's happening and then on the 12th of February,
• 1:43:04
  wow, the words were not coming out of my mouth.
• 1:43:07
  It's a Queen of Hearts themed drag bingo at Drink Me Tea Room,
• 1:43:13
  so get your tickets for that. And just like every other drag
• 1:43:20
  bingo that we have, don't message me for tickets, go buy
• 1:43:24
  them on the Drink Me Tea Room website.
• 1:43:27
  And if they're not available, no, I cannot get you a slot.
• 1:43:32
  And then thinking ahead to March, if you are in Tucson or
• 1:43:38
  if you feel like driving down for the weekend on March 20th is
• 1:43:42
  the Dragon Burlesque show at Wild Wild West Con Steampunk
• 1:43:44
  Convention. That is always a good time.
• 1:43:46
  We've got great cast this year. I mean, we always have a great
• 1:43:50
  cast, but it's a it's going to be good.
• 1:43:52
  Our our theme for the show is like cryptids and like magical
• 1:43:56
  creatures. So there's going to be all sorts
• 1:43:58
  of fun stuff hitting that stage. I'm very excited for it.
• 1:44:01
  And we can, we do have sell tickets to the show separately
• 1:44:05
  from the con. So you don't have to go to the
• 1:44:07
  con to go to the show. You can get tickets just for the
• 1:44:10
  show if you want to going to be fantastic.
• 1:44:13
  It's it's always a good time. It's always a great show and
• 1:44:17
  then in April, make sure that you mark your calendars on April
• 1:44:20
  17th is our next drag bingo and cats.
• 1:44:23
  Oh, I totally forgot about something that happened this
• 1:44:27
  week, this weekend. Actually, my brain wasn't I
• 1:44:31
  totally I knew like I knew there was something I know it's fine.
• 1:44:34
  I'm gonna talk about it real quick.
• 1:44:35
  This just reminded me, we actually Carrie and one of the
• 1:44:40
  volunteers from the cat Cafe actually came out and trapped 5
• 1:44:43
  of the cats that are around the colony in here and managed to
• 1:44:49
  get them all spayed and neutered and they were they were brought
• 1:44:53
  back on Tuesday. They are currently mad at us.
• 1:44:56
  We haven't seen them since, but we know that the least that I
• 1:45:01
  know, but at least we know that five out of the colony of about
• 1:45:06
  15 plus or so have been fixed. So that is a wonderful start and
• 1:45:12
  we are so appreciative to the folks at the Cat Cafe for coming
• 1:45:19
  out and being a part of the the trap and release program because
• 1:45:23
  that is like the best way to control the overpopulation.
• 1:45:29
  This says get your tickets at for Drag Bingo, but if you
• 1:45:32
  wanted to follow the Cat Cafe you can go to their website.
• 1:45:36
  Yes, and they do have plenty of cats that are currently up for
• 1:45:39
  adoption so. Beautiful.
• 1:45:43
  Yes. What are they?
• 1:45:45
  The tabby cats was it? What was the corn dog cats they
• 1:45:51
  were like, yeah, corn dog and the other one they were they're.
• 1:45:56
  There, there were a couple, they've had a couple of of
• 1:45:59
  adoptions over the last week or so too, which is great.
• 1:46:01
  So, but you can go down. They do like they're, they have
• 1:46:04
  cat yoga, we do the bingo. They have other events.
• 1:46:07
  You can just go down and hang out with the cats.
• 1:46:08
  They have the cafe, go get a coffee, whatever.
• 1:46:11
  But go support them 'cause every, every time you support
• 1:46:14
  them, it helps support not just the rescues in the Cafe, but
• 1:46:18
  also programs like the trap and release and things like that.
• 1:46:22
  So do that. I know I'm I'm at the end and I
• 1:46:24
  forgot that, but there you go. You can also book us for office
• 1:46:30
  parties, celebrations and more. We are both ordained.
• 1:46:33
  Circumcision. So we can officiate your wedding
• 1:46:39
  or we can be at the table when you want to sign divorce.
• 1:46:43
  We can do all sorts of things. You can also potentially get A2
• 1:46:46
  Fer I can. We've actually done this where I
• 1:46:49
  have I have officiated the wedding and Felicia has taken
• 1:46:52
  the pictures. I I thought you were gonna say
• 1:46:54
  divorce, but OK. Like like Felicia has the
• 1:46:58
  divorce right? Afterwards, I do the wedding,
• 1:47:01
  Felicia does the divorce. That's right.
• 1:47:03
  But that's an annulment. I'm not very versed in annulment
• 1:47:06
  but I can figure it out you. Can make it work.
• 1:47:08
  It's a living. But anyway, I say thank you to
• 1:47:16
  Brandon McGill for being here, for sharing two or three things
• 1:47:22
  that were exclusive, to say the least.
• 1:47:27
  And you can follow them on all of those things, but I think
• 1:47:31
  where they are most active is on their Patreon.
• 1:47:36
  If you want to see the goodies, you have to go to the Patreon.
• 1:47:42
  Go to see the goodies at the Patreon.
• 1:47:45
  OK, With that I am saying goodnight and we will see you
• 1:47:51
  next week for your Wednesday night conversation.
• 1:47:54
  Thank you, love you.