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Episode 063 - Jomo the Meditating Monkey: Stillness, Sobriety, and the Busy Mind · The Sober Creative Podcast

• 0:06
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, Jomo, we're officially live.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_02: Here it goes.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_00: This is tremendously exciting.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: Have you done Substack Live before?
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: I have, but never done an interview.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: So this is the first time.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: This is the first
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_02: time being interviewed.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's the first time.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, look at the people pouring in.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_02: My debut.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_02: Sting, Sour Creek.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_02: Lawrence, welcome everybody.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for joining us.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_02: Anika...
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_02: All right, everybody.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_02: And we're going to get started here.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: I love this.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: So, so cool.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_02: Give me one moment.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_03: Hello, it's lovely to be here.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_03: I feel, as you say, I feel very privileged.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, it's, yes, it's my cafe, lo-fi
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: cafe vibe.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it all started a while back.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: Jason was, well, many moons ago, he was in a bit of a state.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: He wasn't in a good place.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: I think in England, we would call them sesh heads.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: He liked to drink and he liked to party.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: And he realized that the bottom of the barrel was in sight.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: And so he decided to do something about it.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: And so he learned to meditate, which was very cool, very groovy.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: And he loved it.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: And little by little, that barrel, the bottom of the barrel, looked further and further away.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then he decided he wanted to teach people to meditate because it changed his life so much.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: But one of the things that he found whenever he did teach people
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: to meditate was everybody was,
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: the people that he met were put off by meditation because they Googled it
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: and it looked very strange.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: And people were sitting there in funny positions and on the edge of Grand Canyons at sunset.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: And it looked very other.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: And he realized that actually meditation's for everyone.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: And it's something that he then worked on and realized that it's not just about being calm.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's about the color after the calm.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's about the colorful life that you can have after you become sober,
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_00: a little bit of meditation,
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: And suddenly you become your you-iest you, or you start to become.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so he decided to make meditation approachable.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: And with that in mind, he commandeered the name monkey mind.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_00: Now, monkey mind,
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: is used very often within the monks and the meditation community
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  SPEAKER_00: because it's something that we're all suffering from.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: We all have our monkey mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: All our thoughts and all our feelings all jostling together and bouncing around.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: And so he thought, well, what better way to introduce meditation than with a monkey?
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where I came along.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so for the last three years,
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: I've been teaching people online how to meditate and to show them
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: that it's far easier than they think it is.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: And that's how I came along.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we decided to go on TikTok.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: It was a bit scary at first because people were, well, they were quite rude, to be honest.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: And they didn't quite know what they were seeing.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: But little by little, the audience grew.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then suddenly it exploded.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_00: And suddenly we had hundreds and hundreds of people coming in.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: And they were coming in every single week.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: And they were checking in and saying hi.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: And they were learning to meditate in the easiest, most approachable way possible.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: And so we've been doing that now.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think we've done over 600 lives.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: I know, right?
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's been very busy.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, thank you, thank you.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_03: Excellent.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: Well, according to the stats on TikTok, we've had over 2 million people come through our lives.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: So quite a few.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: And people stick.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: And when they first come on, they think to themselves, what is this?
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then they put the little acronym WTF, which is a bit rude.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: But we stick with it.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: We stick with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then a few minutes later, they may say, oh, This is actually quite calming.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: And then a few minutes later, they'll say, this is actually working.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then a few minutes later after that, they say, when are you next on?
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: And then they're a fan.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: So we know that people think it's a bit weird when they first see a meditating monkey.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: But when they realize what we do, they stay.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's it, a consistent practice.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: Many people ask, how long should I meditate every single day?
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I say, well, it's not how long, it's how consistent.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you can do it every single day for three minutes,
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: that is so much better, and once a week for an hour.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: And once you've finished meditating,
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  SPEAKER_00: that sense of presence that you have after a meditation,
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: when you first start, it doesn't last very long.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_00: And then thoughts come in and life comes in and,
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: hey, presto, everything's a bit of a pickle again.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: But if you keep on doing it,
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: you keep on meditating, then that lovely sense of presence, as you say, stays.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: And all of a sudden it becomes your default.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: And you don't do mindfulness.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: You're just mindful.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: There is.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: There is.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: There's a huge amount of monkeys and we don't realise.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of people run around in life not realising that they've been run by those monkeys.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Because our mind is the most important tool that we have.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's the one thing that determines the nature and the quality of our whole life,
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  SPEAKER_00: of our reality, and of how we face the world.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: So if that one tool isn't working, then by default, our life is a worse place.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: But the problem is, no one ever gives us The handbook for our brain.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: He doomed.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: And that's a shame.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think meditation is a handbook for the brain.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: And every time we meditate,
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: there's a little software upgrade to make it a little bit better and to work
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: the way it needs to work.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: I call it, I call it a force field for good mental health.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: And every time we meditate, we recharge that force field.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: Because the world's not going to stop coming at us.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: And there's always things to get us annoyed.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: And to get us sad.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: To get us angry.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: To get us fighting each other.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: And to make us feel worse.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so that has to be recharged every single day.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, absolutely.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think for a start,
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: knowing Jason's journey,
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: I think people who go on a sober journey are the bravest people of all.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Because for a lot of people,
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: not being sober is a result of not being able to face up what's in our head
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: and not being able to process what's going on.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: And so meditation is Allows us to sit with the unsittable.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: And it allows us to process the unfathomable stuff that we look away from
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  SPEAKER_00: or we dull ourselves from.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: With the use of, well, anything really.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: Anything that can cause addictive behaviours.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anything but looking inside.
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  SPEAKER_00: And meditation helps us look inside.
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  SPEAKER_00: And sit with the monsters.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then when you sit with the monsters, you realize that the monsters just want to be heard.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when the monsters are heard, they go away.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's how I think sobriety and meditation go hand in hand.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: And it just allows you to be strong.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't make you calmer.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: It just takes away the noise.
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  SPEAKER_00: Calm follows.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: And then when you take away the noise and you get used to liking the person
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  SPEAKER_00: that you are and liking being inside your head,
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: then all of a sudden the colors of life start to get brighter.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: And the connections that you make with people get stronger.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the laughter that you have with people is so much better.
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  SPEAKER_00: Than when you have drunken laughter.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: Not me.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: I don't drink.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: He does.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's sitting there.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have talked through the night about his shenanigans.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_03: It does.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think part of it is teaching people to be incredibly and unrelentingly kind to themselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: And for them to understand that it's not just the practice.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: The practice is just a small part of it.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: You do Transcendental Meditation.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: Jason teaches Vedic meditation, which is pretty much the same thing.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: And we teach people that you can't stop thinking.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's impossible.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like saying, don't think of a pink elephant.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: And the first thing you do is you think of a pink elephant.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what we say is, think away.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're not going to thought shame you here.
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  SPEAKER_00: And just whenever you have a thought, we don't tell ourselves off.
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  SPEAKER_00: We just go back to our breath or back to the mantra.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: And people forget that the going back to that and then Then falling away from that
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: with your thoughts and going back to that.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: That's the meditation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not concentrating just on your thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you do that, then you're not fighting your thoughts, you're surfing your thoughts.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: You're working with them.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that's how to do it.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's also impossible to not think of anything.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely impossible.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: And the moment you start to think about something,
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  SPEAKER_00: about not thinking, you then start thinking, well, I'm thinking about not thinking.
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  SPEAKER_00: So therefore I'm thinking.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: So therefore I've lost.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: So you just can't do it.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: But unfortunately, it's had bad PR over the years.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: And people say, I can't meditate because my mind is too busy.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: To which we say, that's like saying I can't go to the gym because I'm too unfit.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: And they look at us like this.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then they go, okay.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: They get it.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: They get it, yes.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because your mind is busy, that's why we meditate.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody else has got it the other way around.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: And that's wrong.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: So we try and make it jolly.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: We try and make it simple.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: We try and make it with very easy language.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: So we always relax ourselves with three deep breaths.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: We always at the end have a little wriggle and a stretch to go out of it.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: And we kind of ritualize it in the nicest way possible so that people know what's coming.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: And that works very well for our autistic community as well.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: They love it.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because whenever, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because whenever we, whenever we, Do our show.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: We always do it.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's very regulated in terms of the time.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: So four minutes past,
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: we always start our first mindfulness meditation and people come on knowing
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: that that's what's going to happen.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: And it puts people at their ease.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_03: And we chat.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: You like a meditation?
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: I've got a lovely little mindfulness one prepared just in case you said that.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, okay, right.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: So what we're going to do, my friends, is you're going to get yourself a comfortable seat.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: Now, you don't have to do your fingers in any strange place or anything like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just make sure that your back is nicely supported and your head and shoulders are free.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: And once you've done that and you're comfy cozy, close your eyes.
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  SPEAKER_00: And listen to my voice.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we're going to start with three big deep breaths.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: So here we go.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: Big deep breath.
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  SPEAKER_00: One, in.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hold.
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  SPEAKER_00: And let go.
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  SPEAKER_01: Big deep breath.
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  SPEAKER_01: Two, in.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hold.
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  SPEAKER_01: And let go.
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  SPEAKER_01: Big deep breath, three in, hold and
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  SPEAKER_03: let go.
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  SPEAKER_03: Wonderful, my friends.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you start to relax.
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  SPEAKER_03: And just feel like something inside is quietly letting go.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's nothing to achieve here.
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  SPEAKER_03: Nothing to get right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Just a soft arriving into this moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: And notice the simple rhythm of your breath, rising and falling,
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  SPEAKER_03: steady and kind.
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  SPEAKER_03: And begin to sense that this breath is not something you're doing,
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  SPEAKER_03: but something
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  SPEAKER_01: that's happening to you.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's happening through you.
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  SPEAKER_03: And in this quiet noticing, something begins to open.
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  SPEAKER_03: A sense that you're part of something far greater than the thoughts moving through your mind.
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  SPEAKER_03: The same life that moves the tides of the ocean,
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  SPEAKER_00: that lifts the sun into the sky each morning and that scatters stars across
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  SPEAKER_00: the night.
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  SPEAKER_01: That same life is here now.
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  SPEAKER_03: Moving through you as you.
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  SPEAKER_03: And your body,
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  SPEAKER_01: your breath,
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  SPEAKER_01: your awareness
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  SPEAKER_03: are all part of this vast and beautiful unfolding.
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  SPEAKER_03: And for a moment, you can rest in that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Now notice a thought as it appears.
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  SPEAKER_00: Perhaps small, or perhaps loud.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's familiar.
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  SPEAKER_03: And instead of following it,
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  SPEAKER_01: just watch it.
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  SPEAKER_03: As though you're sitting beside a quiet river, watching the leaves along the surface.
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  SPEAKER_03: The thought comes into view.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hello, thought.
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  SPEAKER_01: Stays for a moment.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then begins to move on.
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  SPEAKER_03: But by thought,
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  SPEAKER_03: you, my friend, you remain here.
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  SPEAKER_03: The one who sees it.
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  SPEAKER_03: The one who notices.
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  SPEAKER_03: And as you notice this, a soft space begins to reveal itself.
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  SPEAKER_03: A gentle distance between you and the movement of your mind.
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  SPEAKER_03: Not pushing thoughts away or not holding them.
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  SPEAKER_03: Just allowing them to be.
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  SPEAKER_03: And in that allowing,
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_03: there is a wonderful, still, quiet peace.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's a peace that's always
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: been there, quietly waiting beneath the noise.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like a still lake beneath ripples, untouched by the surface movement.
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  SPEAKER_03: Rest here for a moment, in that stillness.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're not the passing thought.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're the awareness that sees it.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're not the changing story.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're the space in which it appears.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_03: And this space is stillness,
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  SPEAKER_01: It's calm, open, and steady.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: And now, take a nice, big, deep breath in.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hold and let go.
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  SPEAKER_01: A little wriggle.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: And a little stretch to gently bring you out of the meditation.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: Riggle your fingers, stretch your toes.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: And when you're ready, open your eyes.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: There we go.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: Feeling nicely relaxed.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yay.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's lovely.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: When we do our lives, suddenly all the interactions stop.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's why TikTok doesn't like us
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: because nobody does anything because they're meditating.
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  SPEAKER_00: Can't understand why people stay for an entire hour on a live on TikTok
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  SPEAKER_00: with no interaction whatsoever.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_03: But that's okay.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we normally do it about 10-15 minutes.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: And we do a variety of different types of meditation as well.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: We always start with a mindfulness-based meditation.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: Then quite often we'll have a little bit of a Zen story.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: So we just tell people a story.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: And then after that we have a visualization meditation.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: So we go to ancient Peru or Morocco or the land of cake we did the other day.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: So some of them are very...
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: Flights of fancy and some of them are very healing.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes we go and meet our past self or our future self and we give them a big hug.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: So we vary it a lot.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then we finally give people a taste of a loving kindness meditation at the end
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  SPEAKER_00: so that they go away feeling full of good vibes.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's very nice.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: So are you.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_03: I would love the stuff that you're doing.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, angry people.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: We taught somebody to meditate that had road rage a few years ago.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: He was so thrilled when somebody cut him up and he was able to actually deal with it
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: and go,
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: mm-hmm.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: I see that.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: I see what's happening.
• 28:11
  All good.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: But of course, when fight or flight kicks in, we realize that we get carried away.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think they call it up in your feelings, don't they?
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: Up in your feelings.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm all up in my feelings.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think meditation allows us to take a little step ladder down from our feelings
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: and actually see what the feelings are telling us and to be able to respond
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: as opposed to react.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yay.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_03: Aw, thank you, gang.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's been wonderful.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: I was a bit nervous.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: My first interview ever.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: But you're very good.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: You're very good.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yay!
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much, Josh.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, absolutely.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well, this Sunday, tomorrow at 9pm, we're going live on YouTube.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: We've just started to venture over to YouTube.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: We found it a slightly more forgiving app.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: But also, oh, Alison's here.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: Hello, Alison.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: She's one of our actual students who we've taught.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, we're live on TikTok.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, and all the recordings of our lives are on YouTube.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: So there we go.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: Do come along and
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_03: say hi.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_03: Brilliant.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: An absolute joy.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: And as I always say, go softly on.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_03: Bye.