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The Media vs. the Manosphere, who won? You decide! · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Brian. I'm here with Allison and this is maintaining
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  Speaker 1: frame the media versus the Manisphere. Who won you decide? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, I guess we'll see what they
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  Speaker 1: say about that.
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  Speaker 2: I was doing like a a thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, epic rap Oh it was like that epic
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  Speaker 1: rap battle.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I guess that's kind of fitting considering this is well, well,
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about it on the show, but we're going
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  Speaker 1: to be so Alison. I watched Luis the Rose inside
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  Speaker 1: the Manisphere, much to the chagrin of people who presume
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  Speaker 1: we would not watch it and only react to the trailer.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember I remember getting into long discussions about
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  Speaker 2: he who will currently not be named, and him saying that, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you the the trailers is it's not it's not representative
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  Speaker 2: of the of the documentary. It doesn't represent I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 2: why would they choose to put forth a trailer that
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  Speaker 2: was deceitful? Okay, and doesn't that itself constitute a choice
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  Speaker 2: that should be remarked upon. But no, that's not that's
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  Speaker 2: not sufficient. That's a and and then and then the
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  Speaker 2: individual compared judging The Red Pill based on the Red
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  Speaker 2: Pill movie that or documentary that Cassie j did based
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  Speaker 2: on its trailer. But I'd like to point out that
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  Speaker 2: Cassie Dre's trailer is not deceptive. It's not trying to
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  Speaker 2: present something that it isn't right. It's it isn't you know,
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  Speaker 2: you don't watch the trailer and then you watch the
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  Speaker 2: documentary and you're like, Wow, they were completely dishonest in
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  Speaker 2: the trailer.
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  Speaker 1: She got me with clickbait. I've got into the scam,
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  Speaker 1: and now I have watched her movie, and I am
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  Speaker 1: surprised that the result it's it's okay that to have
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  Speaker 1: a trailer that's ambiguous where you're like makes you like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I want to know what happens, right, they don't tell you.
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  Speaker 2: But this wasn't ambiguous. This was not an ambiguous trailer.
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  Speaker 2: This was not trailer that left the question mark in
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  Speaker 2: your mind. It had a thesis and it drove that thesis.
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  Speaker 2: And the real question is was the was the documentary
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  Speaker 2: any different? And the answer is no, it was not
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  Speaker 2: that the trailer is not deceptive. It is entirely honest
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  Speaker 2: to the content of the documentary. Except the documentaries unbelievably boring,
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  Speaker 2: But that that not be it as it may. You
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  Speaker 2: know that that's uh, that's not just you know, like
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  Speaker 2: the fact that the trailer condensed all of its philosophical
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  Speaker 2: points into two minutes and then we had to watch
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  Speaker 2: an hour and a half of people yapping at not
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  Speaker 2: making any points, just like random, low effort drama, not
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  Speaker 2: even drama. It was just like, how do you would
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  Speaker 2: you describe it? It was just people going into in, in
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  Speaker 2: and out of places, having conversations with no real content
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  Speaker 2: to it, lots of background chatter. Which is that honest description?
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  Speaker 2: Or maybe am I missing something?
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  Speaker 1: Well? I don't know what you would expect out of
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  Speaker 1: a documentary. Uh, it was going to mainly be conversations.
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  Speaker 2: But there's nothing, okay, I would expect him about.
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  Speaker 1: Do you you realize that you're in a very specific
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  Speaker 1: position in terms of where this conversation is, and Louis
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  Speaker 1: Thurreau is nowhere near that. So he's having conversations with
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  Speaker 1: these guys that we've been we've had like fifteen twenty
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  Speaker 1: years ago. So yeah, you're not going to see anything
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  Speaker 1: new because you've already done all of this stuff, and
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  Speaker 1: so maybe to you it's boring. But if you imagine
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  Speaker 1: you're a normy boomer woman that is, like lives in
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  Speaker 1: the suburbs and she's on Netflix looking for.
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  Speaker 2: Something to watch, I imagine, okay, yeah, and then.
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  Speaker 1: You're watching this, you're gonna see things you've never seen before.
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  Speaker 1: And I can prove this, by the way, because I
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  Speaker 1: found some bonus content that is related to this, which
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  Speaker 1: is essentially feminist content reacting to the release of the trailer.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that that's ultimately who is going to
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  Speaker 1: like get the most out of it, Like they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: use this for content for a long time, because it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be the new reference point, right for all future
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  Speaker 1: content relating to the Manisphere. It's gonna reference this movie,
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  Speaker 1: and that's what I'm gonna show that later on though.
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  Speaker 1: But so yeah, I mean you might be bored because
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  Speaker 1: you know you, first of all, a lot of this
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  Speaker 1: stuff wasn't related to this stuff that we specifically talk about,
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  Speaker 1: like in terms you know, we don't talk about like
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  Speaker 1: going to gambling sites and like investing money and you know,
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  Speaker 1: lifting weights and all that. We don't talk about those things.
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  Speaker 1: So that's probably like seems like completely out of the wheelhouse.
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  Speaker 1: But No, it's not even that.
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  Speaker 2: It's not even that. I'm just okay, I'm gonna defend
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  Speaker 2: myself here on my boredom, all right. I was expecting
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  Speaker 2: him to talk about their beliefs. He talked about their
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  Speaker 2: This is this is what was losing me. We got
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  Speaker 2: so much about their relationships, about their cars, about their apartments,
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  Speaker 2: about their parasocial relationships with their fans. We got nothing
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  Speaker 2: about what these men actually believe, or the evidence they
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  Speaker 2: have for their beliefs. Nothing. Did you notice it was
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  Speaker 2: take out all of the content that was him honing
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  Speaker 2: in on their relationships, right, him talking about their relationship
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  Speaker 2: to women. Take Away all of that content and the
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  Speaker 2: content that's just them be doing click baity stuff. Take
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  Speaker 2: away all that content. Is what's left?
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  Speaker 1: Did he actually Well, there were I would say that
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  Speaker 1: there were a few moments where they were getting somewhere,
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  Speaker 1: But then he would change the subject exactly.
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  Speaker 2: He would drag it back to their section.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he would.
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  Speaker 2: Relationships. He would drag it back to what would your
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  Speaker 2: mother think of this? You know, he would drag it
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  Speaker 2: out of anything that had anything to do with principles
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  Speaker 2: or ethics. Not that I'm saying that these men were
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  Speaker 2: very strong on those terms, but there was no and
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  Speaker 2: no point did we get to hear why these guys
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  Speaker 2: believed what they believe, And no point did we get
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  Speaker 2: to hear an argument or evidence or even a stated
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  Speaker 2: aside from the most extreme version of I presume these
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  Speaker 2: guys beliefs, and everything else was just their relationships. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: what's your relationship like to your wife, what's the relationship
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  Speaker 2: like to your mother, what's the relationship like to your daughters,
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  Speaker 2: what's the relationship like to your fans? What's the relationship?
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  Speaker 2: And it's like, I felt that that was a waste
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  Speaker 2: of my time, okay, And it's not even that I
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  Speaker 2: feel like I'm I'm I don't know. My power level
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  Speaker 2: in this subject is so much highigher than Thereaw's that
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like hovering. He's not even a worthy opponent opponent,
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  Speaker 2: But it's that they we never even started. The conversation
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  Speaker 2: didn't even start. And yes, I know the normy boomer
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  Speaker 2: woman is going to probably watch this and just be
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  Speaker 2: so offended that she turns into a pillar of salt,
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  Speaker 2: But it doesn't like that. That doesn't mean that there
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  Speaker 2: was an actual discussion.
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  Speaker 1: You think that wanted to have an actual discussion.
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  Speaker 2: No, he didn't want to do. He wanted to use
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  Speaker 2: these guys to offend people or to to to paint
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  Speaker 2: the Manisphere as having nothing. No, well, yeah, no value
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  Speaker 2: to the men who are watching it, no value to society,
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  Speaker 2: no commentary on what society is doing to men. Nothing. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, as much as we could argue about how
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  Speaker 2: much value the Manisphere really does have, in that, he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't want to even can. He doesn't even want to
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  Speaker 2: engage with the content on any level at all. He
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  Speaker 2: takes it down to lowest not common denominator. He takes
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  Speaker 2: it down to sex. He takes it down to these
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  Speaker 2: guys' relationships to the men women they're having sex with
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  Speaker 2: in a sort of predatory way. I would add, like
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  Speaker 2: the the if anything, the trailer cut out a lot
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  Speaker 2: of how Theireau was constantly honing in on the women
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  Speaker 2: surrounding these guys, like just just like a barracuda after
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  Speaker 2: a shoal of I don't know, like a minnows or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: just like constantly honing in on them. And that wasn't
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  Speaker 2: even in the trailer, And that was one of the
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  Speaker 2: more And it's because he wants to get those sound bites.
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  Speaker 2: He wants to bring it down to how the these
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  Speaker 2: men and their relationship to women and discredit them on
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  Speaker 2: that level, and then we never get to the point
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  Speaker 2: of actually having a discussion about the issues. In this
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  Speaker 2: entire frickin' video, there's there's a few points where it's
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  Speaker 2: almost like you get to the lip we start. He's
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  Speaker 2: it's identifying things that are a problem. Never goes any
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  Speaker 2: further than that, right, and again, it's all salacious, it's
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  Speaker 2: all lowest common denominator, it's all saturated with sex. It's
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  Speaker 2: all controversy as much as he can drag out and
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  Speaker 2: nothing else. There's no substance to this man. He's a muckraker,
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  Speaker 2: at least in this instance. I don't know about his
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  Speaker 2: other documentaries.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it calls in to question his credibility and everything
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  Speaker 1: that he's done, even though I've only seen this, but like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to watch anything else. He's made not
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  Speaker 1: really plus good friends with Jimmy Savile.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I looked into it to confirm, and yeah, he hung out,
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  Speaker 1: he spent They didn't become buds, but they like lived
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  Speaker 1: together for a while and he didn't like mention any
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  Speaker 1: of Jimmy Savile's let's say, appetites until after he was
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  Speaker 1: dead and they discovered what was going on with him.
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  Speaker 1: So but that's you know, I'm not gonna that against him.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe Louis didn't know, and.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, honestly, if we were Throw, we would definitely hold
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  Speaker 2: that against the row doing a documentary on Throw, it
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  Speaker 2: would be entirely about his wife and whether it would
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  Speaker 2: you know, that would be the entire subject that that
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  Speaker 2: would be. It would be his relationship to that man.
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  Speaker 2: He would never get away from it because he's a
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  Speaker 2: petty muckracker.
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  Speaker 1: Muckracker. All right, Well, we haven't started yet, so why
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  Speaker 1: don't you do the things we can get started?
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  Speaker 2: One last thing, I will say there was a twist
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  Speaker 2: at the end that I quite enjoyed. I did not
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  Speaker 2: see coming. So yeah, all I can say is this,
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  Speaker 2: this dude's mom is a bit based. Oh yeah, all right,
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  Speaker 1: It was.
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  Speaker 2: It was, It was not like I said, there was
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  Speaker 2: not There was not a lot of substantive content to
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  Speaker 2: salacious bullshit in this in this documentary, I don't even
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  Speaker 2: want to call it documentary, this tabloid. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: there wasn't a hell of a lot of it, but
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  Speaker 2: we did find some and we'll present it to you now,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, I guess that's the best way to put it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So I want to say before we start,
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  Speaker 1: if any of you guys have seen this film, feel
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  Speaker 1: free to let me know what your thoughts are on
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  Speaker 1: on this. You know, what did you think about it
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  Speaker 1: and all of that. So first, I think we should
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  Speaker 1: define our terms, so like what is the Manisphere? And
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  Speaker 1: I think that I think it's important because the people
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  Speaker 1: that Louis Thrux chooses to interview for his Manisphere documentary
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  Speaker 1: are let's say, they're very specific choices. So I got
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  Speaker 1: a super chat I'm going to read now before we
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  Speaker 1: were rudely interrupted by Artfores for five dollars, he says,
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  Speaker 1: I only managed like twenty minutes before checking out. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think that I think that we
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  Speaker 1: we should watch this. Look, you can do whatever you want.
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  Speaker 1: For my part, I think it we should watch it
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  Speaker 1: because we have to know like what people are talking
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  Speaker 1: about and what the context of that is, Okay, And
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  Speaker 1: because the truth is I was I was defying the
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  Speaker 1: manisphere before this happened, Okay, And I'm thinking that at
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  Speaker 1: this point, what was called the manisphere where it's where
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  Speaker 1: where I think it started as an organic way to
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  Speaker 1: describe a decentralized space where men happened to congregate and
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  Speaker 1: talk about whatever, whether it was about self improvement or
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  Speaker 1: having someone to talk to about their personal problems, or
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  Speaker 1: whether they were talking about like you know, uh, systemic
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  Speaker 1: issues they're looking to address in some way, whatever it is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, whether it's like a Jordan Peterson or an
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  Speaker 1: intactivist or you know, a father's rights advocate, a pua,
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  Speaker 1: a migtaw. All of that stuff is manisphere stuff. So
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of like a wide net, right, a wide
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  Speaker 1: and loosely defined group of people. Ultimately, they have some
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  Speaker 1: interests that are like more or less aligned with other interests,
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  Speaker 1: and they happen to be men. And that's where I
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  Speaker 1: think the similarities, Like, that's basically the breath of it, okay.
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  Speaker 1: But what I think it's become in with regards to
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  Speaker 1: how the media treats. It is a kind of like
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  Speaker 1: containment device. So you basically say, the man of Sphere
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  Speaker 1: is bad. This is what they do, right, the Manusphere bad,
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  Speaker 1: Manisphere radical, Manisphere problematic in some way, and the people
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  Speaker 1: inside of the containment device is are being associated with
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  Speaker 1: whoever they can find that they can fit that into.
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  Speaker 1: So it's basically being used like a box and they're
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  Speaker 1: basically that's why they they that's why they've been making
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  Speaker 1: more content about it. That it's all about, like, how
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  Speaker 1: do we discredit these people, how do we make them
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  Speaker 1: look bad, how do we you know, shame them whatever?
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  Speaker 1: It is? Right, And that's why they they bring up
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  Speaker 1: people like Andrew Tate and Fression Fit and whoever, because
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  Speaker 1: they're simply useful to like to the ends of discrediting
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  Speaker 1: the Manisphere. But in my opinion, it doesn't matter that
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  Speaker 1: that those guys exist because they people like that are
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  Speaker 1: always going to exist, right, Like, we've had people that
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  Speaker 1: have run businesses about helping men in some way, whether
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  Speaker 1: it was a dating side or a service or something
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  Speaker 1: self help, life coach, whatever. We've always had those people, right,
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  Speaker 1: So the and the question becomes, you know, like can
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  Speaker 1: we attack people who are just doing what's always been
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  Speaker 1: going on, just so that we can distance ourselves from them.
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  Speaker 1: And also why do those people exist? Like why do
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  Speaker 1: why is there a vacuum that these guys are filling?
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  Speaker 1: Why isn't throw asking that question? Well, because he doesn't want,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't want the answer to that question. He sees
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  Speaker 1: an opportunity to use these guys, whoever they are. And
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  Speaker 1: that's why I've always said if it's not take, it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be somebody else, as a means to say, those
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  Speaker 1: people over there are not relevant, those people over there
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  Speaker 1: are not cool. Don't talk to them, don't associate with them,
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  Speaker 1: because they're basically disrupting, like you know, the sort of
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  Speaker 1: like what I call the liberal world order of the
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  Speaker 1: feminist belief and they go against that, so they're the enemy.
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  Speaker 1: They did that with Paul Elam, Remember he started Us
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  Speaker 1: for Men, And you know, somebody like Cassie j decided
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  Speaker 1: that she was going to make a documentary about us
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  Speaker 1: ten years ago, by the way, the Red Pills ten
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  Speaker 1: years old, and now this movie comes out. She made
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  Speaker 1: the documentary and she was going to make a hit piece,
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  Speaker 1: but then her conscience pricked her and she was like,
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  Speaker 1: let me talk to these guys, let me do what
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  Speaker 1: Alison said. Threau didn't do, let me ask them why
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  Speaker 1: they believe what they believe. And when she did that,
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  Speaker 1: she ended up going on a bit of a journey
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  Speaker 1: and came out the other end understanding our issues. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Threau won't do that, and he probably knows what happened
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  Speaker 1: to Cassie j And that's why he's not going to
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  Speaker 1: do it.
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  Speaker 2: No, he's not going to engage the content, honestly, And
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  Speaker 2: I'll give it like a guess QUI rundown of that
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  Speaker 2: long rant that I had at the beginning, which is
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  Speaker 2: now lost to us, But I mean it's still there,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not going to be it's not being contiguous
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  Speaker 2: with the actual discussion. So all he ever did was
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  Speaker 2: bring this down to the most salacious, like Alf the
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  Speaker 2: Row did throughout this entire documentary, was bring this down
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  Speaker 2: to the lowest common denominator, like a muck raking journalist
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  Speaker 2: that he is. That's all he did. He didn't talk
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  Speaker 2: about their philosophy if they have any, I mean, how
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  Speaker 2: would you even know?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 2: And he also found basically the guys who are willing
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  Speaker 2: to play ball, which were honestly, the guys who still
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  Speaker 2: give a crap about mainstream opinion, Like at this point
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  Speaker 2: in time, Paul doesn't even take mainstream interviews. He tells
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  Speaker 2: them to go shove it because they're so dishonest and
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  Speaker 2: they're always bringing everything down to the lowest common denominator.
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  Speaker 2: What happened in this documentary was not the worst of it,
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  Speaker 2: the worst that I've seen of the media, and it's muckraking,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: and it's bringing everything to the most salacious, the most controversial,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: and he got Thureau. The best part of this documentary
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: has got Thureau got called out for doing exactly the
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: same thing he's accusing these Manisphere guys of doing. That
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: moment was brilliant and it came from a completely unexpected source,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: but he got called to the mat for his own
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: hypocrisy because what he's saying, these Manisphere guys are doing,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: creating rage bait content, creating these having these salacious opinion
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: or these opinions that people find offensive in order to
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: get more attention, and doing it because it's a business.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Like this guy Tiki Taki, he says he says these
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: things because he's a businessman and he wants to get
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: attention to his brand, right, Thureau is the same. He
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: is using controversy, he is using salacious content, he is
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: using sex to bring attention to his content to build
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: his platform, right, and he gets called out in the end.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: And that is the that Actually that's almost worth this documentary.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: If if the commentator who will not be named, actually
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: pointed out that Theoreau destroyed Theoreau. Uh, maybe that's a
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: valid point. Like Thureau actually showed his own hypocrisy in this,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: you know. And I think it's probably because Tiki Taki,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: which is the dude that's on the screen right now,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Tiki Taki streamed the final confrontation with Threau and his bullshit,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: so Thureau probably couldn't get away with not addressing it.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: And what's interesting is as soon as Tiki Taki again
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: it's brilliant, I won't say where it comes from. As
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: soon as Thereau's bullshit was thrown in sharp relief and
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: the fact that he's doing exactly what he says these
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: men are doing. He's building a platform on controversial, rage
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: bait content. Throughau immediately switched tactics to something else, and
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: that something else was trying to undermine these men's claim
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: to masculinity, did you notice that? Or their claim to
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: having escaped the system. So he turned from trying to
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: show them as being morally bankrupt for mining controversial content
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: for eyeballs, which is exactly what he's doing with this documentary,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: he flipped from that to try and attack their ability,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: that their stated ability of actually having gotten out of
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: the matrix, right, so their actual Like I guess, sigmaus.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: If you want to say so, he's he switched his tactics.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: And I've noticed I've noticed, and this is interesting. I've
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: noticed the media has sort of switched its tactics a
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: little bit. I'm not sure if this is pervasive.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I'll have to keep a feeler on it before I
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: can say that this is something that's that's more widespread.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: But the media has switched from attacking the moral behavior
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: of these men to attacking their claims on autonomy and
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: masculinity and their attraction to women. So they're no longer
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: attacking them on terms of ideological terms, on moral terms.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: They're attacking their presentation of masculinity. They're attacking what they
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: see as attractive to young men. So they're trying to
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: make these guys look less like role models.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're trying it well because they they see that
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the thing that they sell is their masculinity, their alpha
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: male behavior, and so they're like, oh, that's the weak spot.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: If we can tear that down, they'll lose followers, because yes,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: you know, it'll it'll like Nike them knock them down
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: a peg, because nothing else works, like the allegations of bigotry.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Nobody cares like the the you know, the young men today,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: they're sick and tired of being called you know, bigots
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: and misogynists and all this other stuff because they know
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: it isn't true. So they're just embracing it now. And
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: that's the thing like these people, they don't that's like
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: a control mechanism that just doesn't work anymore. And so
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: now they're like, well, what do we do? And you
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: know they could, well they could instead of like I
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: don't know, just talking to them and figure out what
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: it is they want and like set aside this kind
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: of like you know, school marm finger wagging. They could
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: just say, okay, so let's talk about what the actual
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: issue is. But of course they don't want to fix anything.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: They just want these guys to shut up and get
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: back to work so, you know, or at least stop complaining.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. But yeah, what stoping out the problems, stop recognizing.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Them, or just trying to fix them personally, because most
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: of the the guys that he chooses to talk to,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: their thing is they're not They're not. I will say
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: that the men that he's speaking to in this are
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: not necessarily helping other men. They take credit for it,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: and maybe there is some like you know, decent guidance
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: in there somewhere, but a lot of this is mostly
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: self serving on the part of these men. But the
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: problem is too, is that they can't criticize these guys
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: because they have even less to offer, Like Thereau has
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: even less to offer than these guys who are like,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: you know, get on my telegram and pay for my
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: membership and you know, invest in this company and I'll
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: make you rich and blah blah blah. Thereau has less
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: to offer than that. So even if you said these
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: guys are grifters and scammers, even if you said that,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: and even if it was true, which is possible, the
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: question you still have to ask is why are these
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: men going to this guy? Well, because Sourou has even
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: less to offer, like the mainstream that he offers doesn't
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: even have that. They're just like, gut up, go back
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: to school, go to your nine to five slave over work,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and don't and be happy if a woman even looks
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: in your direction. Right, So what yeah, like so yeah,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry if these guys are bitter with you because
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: this is you have offered them nothing, then like you
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: can't complain.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: So well, it's offered worse than that condemnation blame for
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: things that they have absolutely no hand in sins of
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the father, that even though there were no sins. Right,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: it's this constant drum beat that their masculinity is unwanted,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: it's the source of sin into society, that they are
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: functionally worthless, that they offer nothing to society as young
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: men unless they submit toism. And even then it's a
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: constant struggle session. They're constantly in a black category and
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: they can only ever win a little bit of respite
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: by being completely submissive. It's forcing these young men to
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: live constantly saturated with cortisol, with fear and status anxiety. Right,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: And that produces a particular type of furtive, sneaky behavior
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: in men. And it also is It creates a social
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: atmosphere like a pall, a poisoned kind of atmosphere in
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: which men are constantly behind the eight ball, but constantly
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: trying to make up for how they're being framed by
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: this entire society in the eyes of women, which is
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: almost it's like impossible to do because women themselves are
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: now judged unless they see themselves in terms of rejecting
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: men and not being a patriarchal patsy, you know, in
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: not being locked down into being a bang maid, which
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: is what they're calling women who are wives now bang maids,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Like that is the most degraded position you could possibly
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: be in to be a wife and mother at this point.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: So all of this messaging is just constantly slamming into
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: men and their sense of self worth and also women's
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: sense of men's worth and there and nobody's saying to
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: women on any kind of scale, Actually, a man is
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: gonna be the one person who gives enough of a
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: fuck about you to take a bullet for you, right,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: That's probably going to be the one person you'll ever
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: meet in your life who will care that much about you. Ever,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: even your parents might be iffy, and then they take that,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: and they undersell it to women. Oh you want to
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: get a you don't want a man, You just want
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: to be screwed by the t app celebrities. You know,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: the guys who fuck good right, have absolutely no interest
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: in a relationship. That's what you want. And you know,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: if you want a relationship, have it with a woman
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: and we'll hide, we'll hide all the abuse that will
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: come from that. Like it's it's this constant drum beat
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: of men being poor choices. And what has happened is
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: because of that, because of that degradation of the just
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: just just having a man as a companion, let's just
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: just put it that way, not a provider, just as
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: a companion, as someone to live your life with. Right,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: that is not seen as valuable in any sense of
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: the word. And feminism constantly undermines that by framing masculinity
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: in the worst possible terms possible, and and and also
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: like that, men have absolutely no value to give their
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: female companions. But at the same time, feminism only the
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: only pro social form of masculinity that feminism allows at all,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: because they've removed every other form, all of the true
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: additional male role roles aspects you know, like fidelity, faithfulness, loyalty, uh,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: the way that men express love, which is through actions,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: not through words, And they've shit on all of it,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: and they've turned the average man into a poor choice
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: for women essentially, and what does that do to the
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: dating landscape? The only men who win are these men. Literally,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: these men wouldn't exist like the they if you were
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: to criticize them. One thing you should criticize them about
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: is they are a symptom of feminism. These men don't
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: have a platform in a society that isn't feminist, that
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: isn't constantly undermining the sexual value of the average man,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: because in that society, the average man has a family
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: and a wife and probably a decent job. Because it's
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: not the society isn't a voting economically due to financialization
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: that's defended by feminism. Now that's a that's a complex statement,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: so I won't go into it. But essentially, these men
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: do not exist outside of feminist society. They are a
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: symptom of it. And what what's happening in this society
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: is you are a reasonably well you know, these guys
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: are fairly attractive, right, they're up nine ten, right, and
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: they're they are athletic, or at.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Least they they're young. This guy particular is very young. Yeah, three,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the other one is twenty three like that.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're attractive, you know, even without the And actually
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I think that the the the platform is irrelevant because
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I think what's happening is these are the guys on
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: the t app. You remember the t app.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: They may they may not have any visibility whatsoever, they
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: may have no social medio presence, but just because of
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: what they look like and aura that they exude, they
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: would attract women. And they might have no money. But
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: what happens is they attract women, they have a bit
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: of a harem, and then they can start leveraging that
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: into media publicity because they are successes. And men will
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: look at that and say, hey, I can live vicariously
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: through this man's life, even though and maybe if I
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: listen to him, I too will become six foot two
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: with an eight pack and a very strong jaw spontaneously, right,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: you know. And it's that kind of thing. It's like,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: but this entire situation again, only exists because feminism has
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: undermined the mate value of the average man, right, And
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: that's why these women are orbiting men like this, so
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: they could only have the platform that they have because
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: of the sexual disenfranchisement of the average man. Thank you feminism.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Feminism constructed this, They created this, right and honestly like
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: and the fact that, for example, one of the things
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: that they advertise is the fact that the the like
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: the one way monogamy, that is again buying or showing
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: there the fact that or or basically resting on the
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: idea that women only want the top five percent. So
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: they're they're they're they're flagging that, they're showing that. That's
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: part of their that's part of their brand, is that
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I am a man who in this world has is
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: part of the five percent, right, and if you listen
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: to me, you too can be part of the five percent. No,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: that's not how it works. Because even if by listening
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: to Tiki Taki or the redheaded Guy, even if spontaneously
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: their entire audience woke up tomorrow looking like them, guess
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: what happens to women's hedonic adaptation? Right, It gets higher
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: because it's always always aimed at the five percent who
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: has that ring of women who provide social value, So
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: it's it always is related to how many women the
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: man can get in order to develop that kind of
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: social value. So if everybody starts looking like these guys
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: and being at the same level as these guys, guess what,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: the bar goes up until only five percent of men
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: can go up above it. And the reason why is
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: because the pressure on it is not that men rise
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: above a minimum standard in this feminist landscape. That is
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: not like there are plenty of men that are well
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: above a minimum standard. I'm thinking back to the to
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: that panel discussion with the four or that three and
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: a half men who look perfectly adequate as partners, if
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: not several standard deviations better than adequate, and then four
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: dysregulated baboons the women right like that, there's nothing there's
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: not actually anything wrong with men at this point. They're
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: still trying to step up. They're still seeing themselves in
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: terms of how they can serve their partners, how they
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: can be a good partner. That's still their attitude, right,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: So that men are already above a bare minimum bar women,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I can't say that for women, Like women don't even
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: rise above the bar of not resenting your partner like that,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: that's like bare minimum to have a relationship is not
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: bring a head of resentment into it. So anyway, so
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: men are already above the bare minimum bar. Let's face it,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: most men are, most men employed, the ready to step
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: up for a relationship. You know. They may be balding,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: they may be paunchy, but at least they are relationship
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: material when it comes to not entering the relationship with
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: a head of resentment, actually taking responsibility for their half,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: wanting to step up, not having an ideology that treats
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: women like they're literally responsible for the entire history of sin. Right,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: all of this stuff, right, they're at the bare minimum
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: or above it. The problem is that women don't want that.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: They want the five percent. And if every man right,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: you know, manages to get above an even higher bar,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: then the five percent goes up higher, for the target
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: goes up even higher. The problem is what women are
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: being taught, the deterioration of recognizing men as good partners,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: the feminist the feminist dumb teaching women that their value
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: is in rejecting men. Therefore, the only men who can
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: get past that that firewall are men who actually do
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: have other female orbiters or other options, because they can
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: induce the fomo that neutralizes women's desire to gain social
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: prestige by rejecting men, right, and that's all that is,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: that whole situation, this whole marketplace. Right. These men exist
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: because of that. They exist because they're in the five percent.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: They can conmand the attention of multiple women. They can
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: get a woman who's attractive and agrees to, Yeah, I'm
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: gonna step out when I want you know, you can
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: have my children. Maybe I'll bring back a few STDs,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: and they'll accept that. Because he has these the top
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: five percent, he can set those terms. Right. But again,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: even the men who want and you managed to get
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: into you managed to hit the bar that he hits,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: the target goes up. The solution has to come from
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: dealing with what feminism is doing, all right, dealing with
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: what feminism is teaching women, dealing with the fact that
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: you have men and four disregulated baboons and who who
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: are these men supposed to pair bond with like creatures
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: that aren't even capable of it anymore. They're so disregulated,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: so insane. Oh okay, okay, sorry that.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Was a long Yeah, yeah, that was a long one.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if anybody could get anything out of that.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean I uh, well, I think so. But
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: all right, so I'm a little hesitant to play a
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: bunch of clips from this. I know that we basically
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: said we would, but I want to let go and
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: the way I want to do it, because as of
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: this is like an hour and a half long. I'm
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: gonna go to the introductions of the different men that
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: he interviews. Okay, so we have here. This is HS
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Tiki Talkie, the man on the left, the man of
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: the right is Justin Thurreaux. The person who made the documentary.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: HS Tiki Talkie's real name is Harrison Sullivan. He's a
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: British influencer and co founder of head Fitness, known for
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: his controversial content targeting women. This is, according to my search,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: promoting only fans creators for profit and claiming he's motivated
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: solely by money. He has around five hundred thousand followers
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: on Signal and a large presence across social media. So
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: he's a very young guy, like in his early twenties,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: and he apparently is a let's say, a disciple of
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: some of the bigger creators like Andrew Tate and Justin Waller,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: who is also in this documentary, is a Miami based
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: entrepreneur an influencer who promotes one sided monogamy. Of course,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: he's the only one that can do it, where he
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: sleeps with other women while his partner remains faithful. He
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: also endorses the forty nine dollars a month online university
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: called The Real World, created by Andrew Tate and others,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: and earns commissions from it. It reminded me, by the way,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: what this reminded me of. This guy reminds me of.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Do you guys remember Manhood University? Yeah, that's what these
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: guys remind me of. And look though, come on, they're
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: a little classier, but not a lot. I mean, I
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I think I don't want to get into like what
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I personally think about these guys, but I'm not big fans.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that I'm going to lie about
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: them or slander them or allow someone else to slander them.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: So I disagree with that on principle, even if like
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the way that they live is in my opinion, you know,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: it's not ethical, and I don't think that it should
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: be promoted because it's an unrealistic expectation and I don't
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: think that most men can achieve whatever. Even if they've
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: actually achieved it. I don't think it can be done
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: by the men that follow them. But that being said,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: I don't appreciate people lying about them and using these
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: guys specifically to target like legitimate like people in the
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: manuspet that have legitimate issues that they're trying to address,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: which I think is the ultimate goal of the documentary
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the people I'm highlighting. I'm
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: telling you that he's using these people to essentially make
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: the case against the basket that he's thrown all of
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: us into called the Manisphere, and I'm going to demonstrate
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: evidence of that later on. You're gonna be surprised at
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: who fits into the basket of the Manisphere. But anyway,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: so Justin Waller, you've probably seen him on the Whatever
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: podcast and I'll show you guys a clip of his.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Then they have ed Matthews, who's like a friend of
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: HS Tiki Taki, who's a British YouTuber, kickstream and boxer
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: who's also involved with head Fitness, and he's been like
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: he's been involved with like the fighting thing that's been
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: going on if you guys know who Gypsy Crusader is.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: But like he did like a fight recently, and this
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: guy Ed Matthews was at that fight. So, like a
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: lot of the Manispeer stuff overlaps in lots of other things.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: You know. Some of it's like pretty radical like politics,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: you know, but some of it is just men's rights activists,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: which is also radical in a way because we're trying
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: to address things that are like, you know, nobody wants
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: to talk about.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Sneako is in the documentary as well. And Sneko wouldnt
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: even consider himself to be manaspere per se, but you know,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: they he gets he's in the basket. Even though he's
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: more of a political commentator in these days, he's more
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: of like he talks about well, I don't really know
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: because I don't watch him much, but he talks about
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: like Islam and stuff because he converted to Islam and
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: then Myron gains from Fresh and Fit and uh, you know,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: so these are the people that that he's picked. Now
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: before I want to point out, I know about two
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: other people who were contacted by him but did not
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: end up going on the documentary. One was Andrew Tate,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: who said who according to throw so Thorrow said he
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: reached out to Andrew Tate. And Andrew Tate asked him
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: how much he would pay him for the appearance, and
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Threw said he wasn't going to pay him, so he
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: didn't do it. So I don't know if Threw was
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: trying was trying to like say something about Andrew Tate
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: and use that, but he said that on an interview
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: after the documentary was over, that he approached Andrew Tate,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: and Andrew Tate said, how much you're gonna pay me
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: to appear on your show, on your documentary? And I
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: think that to make this argument, Andrew Tate said, he
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: looked at like Google trends and he was showing justin
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Throw that he's way more relevant than he is, so
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: he would actually be a benefit to his documentary, which
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: is probably true to be honest, because he did try
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: to get him on, and In said he ended up
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: using clips from Andrew Tates, like various appearances in the
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: documentary because he wants to make that association, which is
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: again because he wants to associate him with the orter
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: manisphere put him in the box, right, put out all
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: of us in the box with Andrew Tait. The other
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: person he reached out to was Andrew Wilson. Now, I
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: don't know if you guys know, but Andrew Wilson and
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Andrew Tate are not alike. I don't think they've ever spoken,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: and they're coming from completely different schools of thought philosophically.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Andrew Tate's more on the money making PUA side of things.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Andrew Wilson's more of like a patriarchal like what he
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: considers be true patriarchy promoter, paleo paleo conservative, I think.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: And so they have a very different approaches, but they're
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: both considered manisphere. And so this is what I'm saying.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: The box is big, and anyone who is basically pushing
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: against the mainstream feminist narrative, like the world we live
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: under is feminists, full stop. Everybody, all right. Everyone in
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: this documentary, by the way, is blue pilled, even these
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Manisphere guys, all of them blue pilled guys. But that's
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: as an aside. But Andrew said, go fuck you because
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: he knew that it was he was gonna be a
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: biased tack and so he didn't. He didn't want to
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: do it at all. And for him, it had nothing
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: to do with money. So I'm pointing out, like what
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: was involved with this, like, you know, I think Rollo
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: was like trying to get on there or something, but
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: he didn't like so that there. And Rolos appears in
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: the documentary in a clip as well. So Threau is
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: aware of people like Rolo and and Peterson, like Jordan Peterson,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: and Andrew Wilson and Andrew Tate obviously, so this is
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: like them. I'm laying all this house. You guys understand
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: where his mind is. That he's not stupid. He knows
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: that there are people in the manister he could talk
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: to that would actually have something useful to say. But
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: he won't talk to those people or they won't talk
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: to him because they and they shouldn't. They should be
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: very suspicious. Paul Elam also said he would never he
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: would never do it even if he was approached, right,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: So I'm just explaining, like, you guys got to look
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: at this in that mind frame, because people get emotional
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: when I say Andrew Tate is in this, and that's
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: where we get a lot of trouble from. But it's like, well, yeah,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: because no one else wants to no one else that
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: actually you know matters wants to be involved.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: So well, Andrew Tate isn't even in this he'd like to.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: He's not. He was he only he wanted to get in,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: only if he was paid.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: So yeah, But I mean, honestly, it's sickening dealing with press.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: They are genuinely repulsive human beings. And I'm sure if
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Andrew Wilson came on, this guy would be hovering around
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Rachel Wilson, which honestly would.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Be he probably would try to sow discord there. Yeah,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: but that wouldn't work. Rachel's one if she's a lot
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: of things, but one of them is not a traitor
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: to her husband.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: So yeah. But but the thing is he would The
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: way he was grinding on these guys was he would
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: grind on their relationships. That's what's really sinister about this dude.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: He made it personal. He ground on their relationships, and
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: he would do the same with Andrew Wilson. He would
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: grind on Rachel Wilson and her choices in her life.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: And Andrew Wilson, you know, want wanting to be her
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: husband and all that, and he would grind and he
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: would grind on that relationship to try to find as
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: much salacious and discrediting content as possible. Because He's a
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: bottom feeder, right, This man is a bottom feeder, and like, honestly,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: what happened in this documentary isn't necessarily even the worst
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: that men like the Roa do is. When we were
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: doing the documentary, the Vice documentary, Oh no, actually it
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: was the GQ like the first interview, Yeah, yeah, the
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: first four the first men's issues like current era, because
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: there have been other men's issues conferences. Yeah, the first
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: international conference on men's Issues, and we had it in
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Detroit and we had a whole bunch of media there
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: and GQ was one of them, and GQ brought because
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: I remember this. I remember watching this guy, the reporter
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: from GQ. He was hanging around this man who was
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: basically like a nambla like he was. He was. He
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: was somebody who advocated to reducing I don't know, the.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: The legal age of consent, legal age of consent.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: He was twelve, Yeah, it was, yeah, he was. He
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: was a nonsense and GQ was escorting him all around
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: the convention and trying to get people to actually be
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: like oh yeah, or try to agree with that, and
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: nobody would, of course, right, And then GQ went took
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: us the Badgers and it was me and a three
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: other women at the time and my husband. We went
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: out to like us they, I don't know, some kind
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: of spaghetti lunch. And so we went to lunch with
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: these guys and I really regret the fact that I
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: didn't record this. But he brought the NaNs and he
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: tried to get us to support this man's position. And
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I remember because it actually at the time, Christina Garcia
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: was still Crystal Garcia. Yeah, she was really fucking pissed.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: And he kept trying to drag it into that, and
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: then when he couldn't get anything from that, he even
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: got so frustrated. He said, well, you're not guys, aren't
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: giving me anything. I was like, we're not going to
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: give you anything on that, all right, give it up, right,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: And then he tried to drag it into something sexual.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: And Rachel at the time was also still part of
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: the UH the organization, and she started piping up because
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: she she like says, she's oh, I collect pornography and handtime, like, oh,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: good lord, And I remember Jonathan was like, shut up, Rachel,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: and he looked at he looked at the guy from
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: the GQ, and he said, I know that you are
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: going to turn this. You're going to try to drag
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: this into something sexual, something salacious, and it's over. You're
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: not going to do that, not on my watch. And
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: the guy gave up. And because that's what they do.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: They try to drag it to the lowest common denominator.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: They try to muck, rereck and smear you with it.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: They try to bring in sex, They try to get
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: these weird sexual angles on you. They try to grind
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: on your relationships. They are repulsive to deal with. That's
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: why Paul has probably said no, no more, I don't
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: wants you in my life because media. I don't know
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: where the fuck they come from, but I think they
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: missed some some wrungs on the evolutionary ladder. They just
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: came from the primordial directly from the primordial ooze anyway.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: But yeah, this guy is no different. He was and
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: he would do the same thing with Rachel and Andrew Wilson.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: He would grind on their relationships and it can be
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: extremely stressful. And I'm if I have anything to say
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: about these guys. I mean again, I think that the
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: only reason why they exist is because feminists have gone
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: to war against just masculinity itself. Therefore, a man has
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: to be so much better to even get women's attentions.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: And that's the only reason why they have a platform
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: in the first place, because of the desperation of average
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: men that they want to live vicariously through their life
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: and they want to be that. They don't just want
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: to be a man with a woman, They want to
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: be a man in the top five percent with multiple
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: women orbiting them, which means that there are going to
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: be a whole bunch of men who get nothing right.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: But anyway, I mean, I could have I could say that,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: I could point that out, but I think the real
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: big problem that they had dealing with the media is
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: they allowed them this guy to get anywhere near their relationships,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: that they allowed this guy around any of the women
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: in their lives, right, And they didn't just shut it
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: down like my husband Jonathan shut it down and that
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: that spaghetti dinners, like, no, this is not acceptable topic,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: there will be no more of that. They didn't do that.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: They just they let this guy hone in on the
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: women around them, right. They didn't just say no, this
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: my relationship is none of your business. It's not something
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: that is appropriate for the media to talk about goodbye
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: and it's unfortunate because apparently this guy may have caused
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: one thing to break up.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I think he's trying to take credit for it,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: but I don't think that's what happened. But okay, so
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: I guess we'll like play some of this since it's
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: been sitting here for about an hour. So okay, this
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: is him talking with h hr whatever, Tiki Takie Harrison.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I'll just say, Harrison hs Okay, Harrison, let me see.
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure. I'd have to see how what your
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: skills are.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Did you look at my arms?
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: Well, I just sort of checked your your your stature.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Out, did you yeah? Yeah, go on.
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: The stature is not saying too much.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: So look, this guy is very young, okay, and so
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: like I think it's and he's more of like you
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: could say, and this is my suspicion, he could be
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: like the next generation of PUA's. Like I think these
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: guys are mostly like coming out of the PUA space
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: more than anything, and they're taking it to another level.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: They're like good and getting involved with crypto, They're getting
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: involved with you know, investing, they're getting involved with Some
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: of them are pimps. And like you know, like fixers
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: of some kind, right, And like I said in the beginning,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: these types of guys have always existed, but like they're
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: being lumped in with people like men's rights activists. What
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: are we supposed to do about it? I mean, we
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: can't just condemn them forever because it'll never end, so
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: you kind of have to. Like I'm pointing out what
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: it is they do that I disagree with, and I
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: don't think it's moral, and I do think that it's
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: like definitely spiritually hollow and mostly just focus on the
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: material and it's not going to bring them happiness. And
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's blue pill behavior because ultimately what they're
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: doing is they're saying I am a better man because
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: I have all this attention from women. And that's that's
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: how you know it's blue pilled.
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: Right, mm hmm, yeah, let's call it so.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: And this this check here, she's also like an influencer,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: right and uh Threau doesn't doesn't interrogate her at all.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: He doesn't try to figure out why she's there, why
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: she does any of this. She just presumes because I
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: think he called her his dishwasher, like the h HS
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Tiki Taki called this girl his dishwasher or something like
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: that jokingly, and she didn't seem to mind. She thought
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: it was funny and she just like let it like,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: let it happen. And they left that in to this
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: cut this edit because I think again Threau wanted like
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: the normies to see that and be like, oh my god,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I can't believe he dehumanized her like that. And she's
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: not doing anything. She must be experiencing Stockholm syndrome or
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: something right now. Maybe they just have that kind of repertoire.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, I messed with my wife all the time.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Repartee.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: I think, well, yeah, that repartee, that that kind of
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: relationship I got. I mean that might be right. I'm
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: not sure, but yeah, defining yourself by women's standards is
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: basically what these guys do. So let me find oh,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: let me let me uh. There's a scene here where
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: he talks about how you would like disown his daughter
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: if she turned out to be gay. He doesn't have
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: any kids, but hypothetical conversation. I just want to find. Okay,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: here we go. This is where he talks about the
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: man a sphere. I just want to see chat it
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: up girls.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: This is difficult.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's okay. I can find it. I can
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: find it all. Right, here we go. So he says,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: this is him narrating. This is the row. He's saying,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: I've been learning about his ideological forefathers. So this is
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Harrison's forefathers, the men he learns from. According to Throw.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: The community of ultramasculine influences sometimes called the manosphere, and
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: so it come to its spiritual home Miami.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: What yeah, which is just not true, like the Manosphere.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Did you guys know that the origin point of the
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: manisphere is Miami? Like it's this is this is the
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: framing though, right. What he's doing is he's he's setting
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: up the play or he's setting up the stage. Rather
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: so that the people who because most people don't look
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: into this stuff, they don't understand this stuff. And I'm
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: not just talking about like middle aged boomers, I mean
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: like Normy's period, which is most people they go to
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: TV and Netflix and like you know, the streaming services
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: and CNN. That's where they get their news. That's where
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: they get their the BBC, that's where they get their information. Right,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: So anything outside of that is on the fringes and
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: and they're generally people are this. They're not entirely trustful
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: of stuff outside of what they consider to be like,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know, approved sources. So when Threau can just
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: say whatever he wants about the Manisphere, and as long
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: as he's like got enough plausible deniability to you know,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: if he's a confronted, he can be like, well, I
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: guess I spoke, you know, a little bit loosely. That's
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: why he says the spiritual home is Miami, because if
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: somebody says, well, no, the Manisphere is actually like very decentralized.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: It's mostly online, and it's it comes from all men
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: of all different walks of life, with all kinds of
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: different beliefs. But it's just a place where men are
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: at right, you could say that gamer Gate is the Manisphere,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: which they would argue is true, right, and they have.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: You could any space that men are in, where men
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: are comfortable hanging out with each other and talking to
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: each other, that's the Manisphere as far as these people
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: are concerned. But he wants to paint a very specific picture,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: so he's gonna say it comes from this place and
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: these men. So anyway, you see what I'm saying, you
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: wanna say anything else before I play more of this clip.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Apparently, according to Richard Beer, the twenty two convention meets
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: there is the twenty two convention.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Still the twenty one, the twenty or maybe it's the
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: twenty two. I don't know if they still do that.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: The Red Man groups Anthony Anthony Dream Johnson has uh,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: he's kind of like gone off the deep end because
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: I guess his like mother was murdered.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Wood.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's sort of like stopped talking about like
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: the men's isshoes. He stopped talking about that stuff, and
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: he's become like he's he's actually shown that he's quite
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: he was really attached to his mother. So but again,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: you know, Anthony Johnson was another one of these guys.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say this, but they're ultimately very blue
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: pilled guys. And they and they often are performative in
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: their masculinity, which is what I see a lot of
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: It's very performative, like like they're still trying to figure
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: out out what masculinity is. So they're wearing a costume.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, mascot, I'm smoking cigars, I'm where I
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: got big sunglasses, drive a really fast car. I'm gonna
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: show you that in a second. Very performative, but I
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: think you can see right through it. To me, is
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: it's super fake, right, Like that's a regular A man
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: is just like a guy, you know. It's like a
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: guy who works with his hands, drives a truck or
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: something like that. Not these guys, you know. But anyway,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: that's just what I'm saying. There's a very performative aspect
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: to this. Again, I say this with sympathy because I
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of trauma and they go
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: into this in the documentary a little bit as well,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: which I think is great, But the road doesn't go
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: very deep. He just sort of like points it out.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: But anyway, mm hmm.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: The Manisphere is made up of relatively uncontroversial comedians and podcasters.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: So you see that he says much of the manisphere
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: is very benign. It's comedians. And I don't know who
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: he's talking about. I don't know if a Manisphere comedian
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: is that doctor Ran Mcamp. Maybe I don't know who broadcasts.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: They really consider that benign.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know, no, but I mean he's he's well,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying is is that I guess by by benign,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: I mean something that he can't he can't criticize as easily,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: like there there are a manisphere of people who have
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: something to say that he couldn't argue against. So he's
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: not gonna talk about them, and said, he's gonna make
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: this one sentence. Well, a lot of these guys are okay,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: but I'm here to show you the really salacious stuff, right,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna mention this really quick, hopeing that you
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: forgot I said it, and then we're gonna focus on
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: this other stuff. Because that's that's the extent of that mention.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: The broadcast about women, fitness and wealth to a mainly
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: male audience, but at its edges is a community of
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: more extreme content creators.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: See, so at its edgines are more extreme. So he's
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: basically like, I've already I've already like covered my ass
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: and I've said, yeah, okay, there's a lot of normal
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: stuff out there, but we're here for this stuff. And
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: that's that's what he wants though he wants people to
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: be because this is all emotional, like it's in the music,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: it's in the camera, at work, it's in everything. Then
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: the purpose of it is to get you feeling a
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: certain way about the Manisphere on the whole, even though
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: he made that statement because it wasn't a company with anything.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: It was like over some upbeat music. He he just
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: threw it out there and now he can focus on
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: the stuff that he's going to use to condemn the Manisphere,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: which of course he doesn't do himself. He just shows
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: you his edited final product, and that you're supposed to
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: conclude this stuff.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: So yeah, So this is basically a curated list of
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: not even a genuine look at the Manisphere, just a
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: curated list of the worst. And we're supposed to answer
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: to it.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we're supposed to answer to this is the best,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: by the way, this is the best he can do
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: with the worst.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: We're supposed to answer to their scapegoat or sorry, their scarecrow.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: And not just that. But this is entirely constructed by feminism.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: The destruction of the value of the average man has
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: created this arms race so that fewer and fewer men
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: are capable of attracting women. So guys like this come
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: out of exactly that circumstance, and they gain their power
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: in their clout because men who are otherwise completely disenfranchised
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: by feminists low balling masculinity, get to live vicariously through
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: these lifestyles. That's where their clout comes from. It comes
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: from feminism. It comes from the situation created by feminism.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: And not just that, but feminism predicted their form of
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: masculinity performative and based on sexual access to women, pleasuring
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: women sexually, being the lover boy, playing the playboy. Which
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: incident when feminists actually asked men, how many of you
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: value playboy as a masculine ideal? Only one percent of
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: them said it. But now it's the only one they got,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: So here we go, Okay, this is the only one.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: This is the last one that's acceptable in any sense
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: of the term, is that men. These men pleasure women
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: with their penises and they're very performative. So there you go.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: That's the last thing feminism left men, and now it's
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: attacking that because of course, all right, yep, okay.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: It was this world and its motivations. I was most
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: intrigued by gentlemen, you guys doing, how are you doing?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Louis justin Waller hearing I meet you fast, You'll be
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: like a million bucks maybe.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe half maybe half. I know this, this guy this
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: is and you know this is the thing too, is
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: that Remember this is like video that that Throw made
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: about this guy, So you know these guys, Oh yeah,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: i'll pay cam. What what's this guy name?
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: What's this guy's name?
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Just than Waller?
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, Justin Waller. The next time the media starts orbiting
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: your family, tell him the fuck off, Like they shouldn't be.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Talking of it though. I mean, like he can get
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: clout from it. That's what it's about, Alison. He's willing
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: to and his wife is willing to be used too.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but these people are shallow like that, It's true.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: So like he's as much culpable for the way he
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: was presented in the in the documentary as Lewis the
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: row is for making it. And ultimately, I don't think
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Waller cares about like men's issues in the abstract because
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: it's like he knows what some of them are because
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: he said so in the documentary. He's to some degree,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: but ultimately he's about growing his brand. So this is
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: good for his brand, and it's good for Throw, and uh,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: it's not good for you know, society in general. It
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: gives us nothing that just creates more distrust and more
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: suspicion from women towards men, because that's what the purpose
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: of this is.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, but but my curiosity is the whole one way
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: monogamy also good for.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: His brand, Uh yeah, because he gets to well, he
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: thinks this is what men want, but he gets to
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: boast about because again, this guy's very blue pill. So
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: his his his value is in I'm so attractive to
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: women that that women are willing to share me. And
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: his wife is like yeah again, Like his wife even
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: says in the documentary House and she says men women
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: want men that other women want.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: Yes, seems like a plain truth.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: She says it herself.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: But my point is that isn't this signing off on
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: the very conditions that feminists make?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well that well, yeah, these guys aren't. Are aren't
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: anti feminist per se? They say they are, but they're
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: not really. They concede all that stuff.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: So you are basically adopting one aspect of your value.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Proposition is a condition that only exists in a feminist society, right,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Like this is this this that whole concept of one
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: way monogamy. I mean, I guess it could exist in
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: previous eras, but there was different reasons for it, like
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: you got married to someone, you know, it was arranged marriage,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: and often the women were cheating too, so it was
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: it was more of a mutual thing. But but this is,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: this is this point is that he's buying into that
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: whole You have to be in the top five percent
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: to have a woman or women, right, But that's buying it,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: that's signing off on the entire dynamic. That's disenfranchising all
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: of the men who are watching him. Yes, right, And it's.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: Like, do you realize that he doesn't care? I don't.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he realizes he doesn't care. But
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: the thing is, though, like this is what where women's
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: liberation was going to lead anyways, Like when we talk
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: about polygyny, right, and how we're gonna get a situation
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: where you know, you have like are we dating the
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: same guy? Like that's what this is. These are those
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: guys and women are fine with that because ultimately they
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: seem to be like how many young women are in situationships? Well,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: this guy is a walking situationship that women are. I
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: mean he says he's not with anyone else right now
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: except his wife, but that he will like bring women
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: home or whatever, and we have to like kind of
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: like take our take his word for it or not.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe that's true, maybe it isn't, but like.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: It is maybe even an image.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: It could be like because he's got he's selling a product.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: But if it was true, it wouldn't be surprising because
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: this is literally the dynamic that women's liberation and this
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: hypergamy is pursuing the top one percent has created. So
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: I think it would look like this. It would look
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: like a guy who has a wife and he has
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: a bunch of side ass and he just goes and
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: does that. I'm sure that exists. I'm positive it exists, right,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: So it can't guy, Maybe he's bullshitting, but it doesn't
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: matter because it does exist. And he's basically saying, yeah,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: I am the part of that system. So another man
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: are like, well, I want to be one of those guys,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: and sure they may try, and I think that it
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: is not going away.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: Why did he even wants to row anywhere near his wife?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Why didn't that engage like just that instinctive yeah, no,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: engage with this dude.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: He didn't at first. He didn't at first he wanted
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: to keep his wife out of it at first, but
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: then later he let he let him in, and I
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: think that this is another it's a trap that he
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: put himself into though Allison too. If he's selling hyper masculinity,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: whatever that is, and it involves like being ultra confident
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: and performative, then he has to basically say, well, should
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I can have? Like my wife said on his lap,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: she he ain't gonna do nothing, Like he has to
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: let him in because otherwise he's not living up to
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: his own ideals and so he can't sell that as
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: a product. So he has to do this. It's a trap,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: but that's what he's done. You see what I'm saying.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: He has to. He has to because his manhood is
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: at stake because he's constructed this image that all of
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: his followers are looking at. So yeah, he has to
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: literally make his family vulnerable to this guy. Otherwise threaw
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: could be like, yeah, I asked him if he wanted,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: if you know, to meet his family, but he was
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: too afraid and didn't want me to. That would what
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: would that do to his brand? And throws what like
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: a like a bucko five soaking wet English boomer guy,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: like what he's like not threatening at all, So that
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: would that would actually be bad for his brand, you see.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: So he has the stoic max yes, and that's the
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: that's the problem. But he's created that problem because he's
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: selling something.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: So yeah, well I don't know. It just feels like
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: it feels like a failure of I don't know something.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't disagree that it's a bad idea.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that he'd like me personally, I would be
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: I would try to be authentic to myself and just
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I don't I don't trust you around
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: my wife. I don't care what you think about that.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, but why can't you simply say that's private, that
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: is my private life, that it doesn't I don't throw
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: my private life as a public eye. Okay, okay, because
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: his private.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Life is well, not only that, but he says early
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: on with their interviews, he says, I have nothing to hide.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: So once he said that he had to live up
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: to that. He said, I got nothing to hide. And
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: so now that that was bab like because then he's like,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: well that's private. Oh well you said you didn't have
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: anything to hide. So it's a it's a like I
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: said he had he was trapped from the get go.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: But but I don't think it's gonna hurt him. I
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: think that he's going to make more money.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's gonna hurt necessarily his brand.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, it's it just feels gross.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: I get that it feels gross. Als, and I know
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: that you guys wouldn't do it, but you know, yeah, no,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: And apparently his wife is okay with it.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: I hope, yeah, she's no. I'm pretty sure she is,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: pretty sure she is all right anyway.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: Justin Willer is a businessman and success coach from Baton Rouge, Louisiana,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: with more than a million followers on Instagram.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: I give the best advice I can possibly give to
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: young men. Women aren't as feminists as you think they are.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: Do you think she won't leave me for that buff
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: dude promise? She wrote, She grew most women don't know
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: what they want, and I don't think it's their fault.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: He's just see that. So there he's blue pilled. He's
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: blue piled on women absolutely, as he says, well, you
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: know it's I don't I don't think it's their fault
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: that they don't know what they want. But he doesn't
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: think women make choices, and I think he has to
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: because he has to feel like he's in control. And
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: this is a failing of men. A lot of men
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: right like this. They think that like they're like their men,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: their their identity as men is defined by their ability
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: to maintain control or maintain frame. And the truth is
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: is that you're not in control of everything. It's not
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: in your hands a lot of the time. And that's okay, So, yeah,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: it's not their fault. It's society. Women are not as
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: feminists as you think they are. Yeah, he thinks that
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: if you just like, you know, if you just like
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: become like dominant, they'll just stop being feminist. I guess
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: I don't really know, but he's definitely like not a
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: fan of feminism. But he doesn't know what it is
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: that he's criticizing in a way. You know, he thinks
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: that feminism is like blue hair and nose rings and like,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, painting, criticize yourself in period
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: blood or something.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: You can't criticize it to much because feminism has created
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: his win conditions.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, Although he doesn't think that he doesn't. He
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: doesn't think that it did. He thinks he did this
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: on his own. Okay, but yeah, okay, so I mean
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: I can play a little bit more of this hold.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: On because Shock tailored suits with big muscles and expensive watches.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: This in turn funnels his fans.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: To notice that they put a picture of him with
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Trump in there. This is another thing that he does.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Throat does a lot of like associations with Trump and
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk and you know, the Republicans and stuff. None
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: of it is really like, I mean, anyone that has
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: the money can go to mar A Lago and probably
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: get a picture with him. I mean, so it's not
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean anything. But he's gonna make the associations anyways.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: His advice products. In his media appearances, he often mentions
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: his lifestyle of romance with multiple partners.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: I love women. Let me be very clear about this,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: and in fact, I have quite the reputation for loving
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: him a bit too. Yeah, so he doesn't obviously, he's
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: this is bluepill ship.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Really you love women?
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: All right? Let me jump ahead to just give you
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: guys a little bit of a of a thing about
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: this guy. Yeah, here's where he says I'm hiding nothing.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: This is I think that that got him in trouble
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: right here, this is early on to.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: Get into some real stuff though, right we should.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: Oh good lord, I don't promote it.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that every man should go out and
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: have a bunch of women or having.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: Now that's something you do as well.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: Of course, Well why do you get to do it
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: but nobody else does?
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: Well? Well again, he's I think he's trying to establish
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: that if another man that his he's that's paying for
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: his school, fails to get a bunch of women, he
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: gets to say, well, I didn't promote that. You know,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: like I'm and I'm I'm built different. I'm you know,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: I'm brusy from granted, he I'm built different. He is
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: genetically different.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: What he is ginger, I'm pretty sure redheaded, yep, soulless, yeah,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: from the but y know.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: What the thing is though, you know this is all
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: like this is all very shallow materialistic stuff, but that's
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: what louis Thereau thrives on this because is what he wants.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: He wants this kind of thing, and this guy thrives
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: too because he gets to use it. Like, look, I
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: was in this documentary. Hes put that on his CV
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: to like sell more memberships, you know, and he gets
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: to claim that he looks he came out on top.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: But this basically was like why I think he was
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: the row was able to see his uh wife, you know,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: said I'm hiding thing, and that was it. What this this.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: Entire situation makes me understand why the Taliban in Afghanistan
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: is like saying there shouldn't be kitchen windows, nobody should
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: be able to see a man's wife from the from
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: the street. Yeah, that was an extreme version, but it's
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: just like this is I don't know, it's still it's
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: still bugging me. It's probably gonna bug me for a while.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: No, I understand, I understand.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: But and the other thing that bugs me is is
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: he aware of how absolutely, okay, I'm gonna use the
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: word filthy the average woman is at this point like
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: just crawling with diseases.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Like maybe I think that he would. I think that
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: he's like somebody that has like, uh crazy standards. Yeah yeah,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: and and that that and that mom looks at that.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, at least he's not like picking up all
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: any strange.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: To get the lounge lizard.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, women there there they have. There are more women
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: with STDs now than men. Mm hmmm, which.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: Is as Pearl Davis said.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: I think that's sort of disturbing.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: That's well, this is the world feminist wanted, so this
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: is what we have, all right. Anyway, So here's an
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: important scene to me. So there are a couple of
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: guys that that they run into when they're out getting
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: some tea that are big fans of Justin Waller. And
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: there are a couple of young guys. Okay, so let's
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: take a look at this. See your pa, thank you
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: so much? Sake are you for me?
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: You're one of my biggest role models.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: And one two things I tell anybody that stops you
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: number want to love you. Yeah, I appreciate it. And
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: there's nothing in this word you can't do. We're in
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: the ship together. This is like a bullshit statement. I'm sorry,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: I think Justin's so phony, but it's whatever. These guys
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: seem like they're like legitimately looking for help though. These
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: two guys their name is are Maddie and Chris. And
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: we're going to come back to them a little litle
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: bit later because it's interesting. This is like they have
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: an interesting story that Thereau just touches on and then
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: he doesn't approach it. After that, I get stopped every
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: day by young man that tells me that changes life.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: The content put up by Justin and his peers pushes
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: an ideology known as the red pill.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: And you see the amount of bullshit the modern Western man.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 6: Has put up with.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: SCO's mouth when he says, can you imagine the amount
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: of bullshit the average modern Western man has to put
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: up with? That is a ridiculous statement. What we can.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm saying that we, me and you, Brian could
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: create an itemized list if you wish, with references and sources.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: That also, I have a list right here, Actually I do.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: This list didn't make it into this documentary, by the way.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: Guys, No, just a few items on the list. Non
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: therapeutic infant circumcision, child custody, bias in family courts, alimony,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: child support and divorce, financial obligations, domestic violence against men,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: false accusations of rape or sexual assault, rape against men,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: male suicide rates, boys falling behind an education, criminal sentencing
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: in our incarceration disparities, workplace deaths and dangerous jobs, male
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: only military conscription paternity fraud and lack of male reproductive rights,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: homeless disparity, men's health funding and life expectancy gap, male
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: victims of sexual violence in prison, rape. So that's just
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: a few, and every single one of these, by the way,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: has a cope for a counter argument, a feminist cope
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: or study or bulls statistic. So yeah, I got a
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: list right there. But anyway, so when Sneako just whatever
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: you think about him irrelevant, but he's right on that,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: and I think that.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, Okay, continue, Sorry, I have a irrelevant point,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: a relational point. I'm bringing some kind of female thing
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: to it. Continue in Well, I was going to say,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: Sneako seem the most grounded in this whole thing, the
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: most grounded and the most careful, right, but finish your
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: point about sneak o.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: No saying I think that's basically it. I mean, he's
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: right about that, you know. I think the one the
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: only thing that's I think is unfortunate is that a
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: lot of the well, it's unfortunate that the people that
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: are being highlighted in this documentary and a lot of
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: the most prominent voices that are we that the media
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: associates with the Menisphere. Now they they don't they don't
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: talk about any of that ship that I just brought up. No,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: like like they don't talk about any of that. They
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: they're only they're still selling something and it's unfortunate. But
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: I think I do think in a way that their
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: success is not entirely they're doing. And I'm not just
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: saying because it's like downstream from feminisms like consequences. I
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: mean that I think the legacy media and the way
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: that they've covered the manisphere and have been for a
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: long time has actually served these guys. Like it's it's
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: raised their platforms, it's made them controversial, it's made them
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: into popular figures that people want to talk to and
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: have on right because they're they're like being they're being
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: highlighted as like the voice of this right, so because
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: they're not necessarily like they don't know about this stuff,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: they don't care about this stuff generally, they're not doing
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: anything about this stuff. They're not discussing this stuff, but
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: they are like you know, owning women and debates and
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: and they're you know, it's sort of like present and
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: so the media reacts to them and says, oh, look
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: at that guy, he looks like a real miss. Like
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: he's smoking a cigar, he's got some sunglasses and a
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: lambeau and a fucking you know, a d Bugatti. We're
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: gonna get him on our show because we get to
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: turn him into an absolute clown. And then of course
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: they bring them on and they're not prepared and that
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: person becomes more famous and so you know, and of
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: course nothing of substance is actually addressed. So it's a
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: shame though, because these guys have moved away from that.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: You know, like a guy like Sneako probably does know
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: this stuff, but he won't talk about this anymore because
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: now he's on something else. He's on Iran and like
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: the Middle East and you know, Islam or something, so you.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: Know, well whatever gets more attention.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like whatever the trendy thing is, that's what
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: they're doing.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: The thing is, if you consistently talk about men's issues,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: you're you're capping your audience because it's not a really
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: a topic that people want to talk about for men.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: They're also like legitimately affected by the algorithm. I talk
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: to Aidan Paladin, and she's like making a new channel
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: because even though her work is like really good and
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: she does a lot to get it out there. She's
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: like getting like ninety percent less attention and she knows
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: it's the algorithm. So m that's why I'm trying to
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: get people to go to Rumble.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: But anyway, without the algorithm, like what we talk about
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: is difficult stuff like it's not I think it's easier
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: to pretend like the problem isn't the problem and live
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: vicariously like through men like this than it is to
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: really understand the scope of it. But the other thing
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: is that what do you expect from young men who
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: have only known their mother rights as a and what
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: her appetites are in terms of men as a role
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: model for what they should be. Of course they're going
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: to be like, oh, I want to get the fast
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: car and the multiple women and all of that other stuff.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: Who do you think their mother probably had kids with,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: considering the father isn't in the picture. Like, so they
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: make they their choices. They cap what they can be
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: at the most materialistic, and they don't think in terms
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: of a code of honor or expectations or showing up
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: because a man never did that for them, right, they
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: never had that in their life. They never had a
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: man who showed up every day and helped them learn
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: how to read, or protected them from interlopers who were
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: poning in on their family or anything like that. They
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: didn't experience that, so they don't know what that feels like,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: and it's not in their register of what a man is.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: So what's in their register is the is the big hollow,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: materialistic things that they also see women liking and being
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: gravitating towards. And we can all thank feminism for that
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: for this entire fricking situation.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: All right, yeah, all right, let's keep going.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: They take the phrase from the movie The Matrix.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: What is the red pill? Can you explain this to me?
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 6: It's just seeing the truth for what it really.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: Is claiming to have seen through the mainstream media's brainwashing
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: about gender relations and its discrimination against men.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: The red pill is a necessary antidote.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: You know, the men's rights movement was red pill before
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: it was before it was popular. Damn it. We used that.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: And then oh yeah, ten years ago, ten years ago exactly,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: Cassie J released her movie The Red Pill. By the way,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: I want to mention, Cassie J actually had journalistic integrity.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: Start off, wanting to make a hit piece, or at
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: least was thinking about doing it. She no, she originally
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: wanted to make it a hit piece and gathered all
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: of her sources and then thought, I'll read, I'll talk
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: to these guys about it to like get you know,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: maybe get it from the horse's mouth, right, and then
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: found out that there was something a lot deeper. And
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: so she kept digging and digging and digging, and then
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: she like came out the other side like, oh shit,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: I'm not a feminist anymore and this was all wrong.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: And she made her video, her documentary. She had to
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: crowdfund it. She didn't get support from a government agency.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: She didn't get USAID money. She didn't like get like
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: you know, some kind of like angel investor that threw
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: a million bucks at her. She had to do it publicly,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: and she couldn't get it hosted anywhere for streaming, and
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: she got shipped from the media, especially the Australians. They
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: messed with her bad. And you know, we all had
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: to like privately, like you know, do our own. I
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: did like a screening in Chicago for it. You know,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: people were doing like I think we did one in Canada,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: at least a couple there was one in LA there
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: was one in New York City, and it still hasn't
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: appeared on Netflix yet. It still isn't there. You can
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: watch it on Amazon and YouTube now for free. The
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: road makes one immediately go immediately goes to Netflix like,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: no problem, you know, And it's ten years later and
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: it's you know, I personally don't think that the men's
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: rights stuff has changed much like the people involved, you know.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: But yeah, and just saying like, and he doesn't have
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: the same curiosity at all. He didn't even he could
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: have talked to Cassie j I bet you would have
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: talked to him. No, he couldn't talk to a woman
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: about this, No way, no way.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: So no, just these guys women women, Yeah, just honing
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: in on these guys women, Like, honestly, this is this
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: is really unfortunate, all of this because it is it
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: like the this is feminism interviewing the products of feminism, right,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: and these men won't won't talk about the stuff that
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: we talk about, at least not in the way that
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: we talk about it, because when you talk about it
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: that the implicit acknowledgment is that men are not like
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: the hit their audience or not have no, there's no
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: pipeline to get where these guys are. For their audience,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: there's no pipeline, right, There's there's no way for all
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: of their audience to end up in the top five percent.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: There's they can they can contribute to these guys being
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: in the top five percent, but they themselves cannot get there.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: So this is all basically cope, right, This is cope
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: with this system that has disenfranchised the average man, and
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: so they invest in these guys who sell something that
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: won't work for them. But you know, at least they're saying,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: the men in their audience are you know, worth something,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: or at least they're not like the whole the shoving
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: all of the ills of West on their audience is wrong.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: At least they're saying that, and they're saying, you know,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: pick up your socks, you do what you can. At
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: least they're positive in that sense, and they're saying you
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: can do what you can or you should. They these
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: young men who have no father some kind of advice
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: to hang on to. So that's good. But on the
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: other hand, they're never going to talk about what we
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: talk about because that would undermine the idea that their
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: audience has access to what they have because they don't,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: and they won't have access to what they have until
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: this system changes substantially and feminists stop undermining the worth
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: of the average man, both economically and socially and sexually
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: and in terms of relationships and spiritually.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: Yep, all right, somebody said, so what happened to her?
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Where is she now? In the doghouse? Probably no, Cassie
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: Jay is married to her? Then who's her boyfriend? When
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: she was making the documentary? After it was over, she
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: decided to get engaged because originally she was a pretty
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: hardcore feminist, like fourth Wave and all that, And now
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: she has two kids with the same guy. They're still together.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: You can follow her on Instagram. I think it's at
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: Cassie J Bird or something like that, or Jay Bird.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not I forget. I have out to her a
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: couple of times to follow up, but I'm you know,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like try because she could be busy
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: with any number of things I know she was working on. Originally,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: she had a plan to do a documentary about about
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: what am I? What am I? What's what is it?
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: When the baby dies in the womb accidentally miscarriage. Miscarriages. Yeah,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: because she had a miscarriage, so she had some complications
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: at first, but now she has two kids, I believe,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: So yeah, good for her. I'm glad. But anyway, so
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: and you know, the Cashie Jaye's life is probably exactly
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: the thing that the average man wants, like exactly the thing. Nothing,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: nothing too fancy. I don't think she's driving a Bugatti.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think she's got a big house with a pool,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: none of that. She's like her and her husband. They
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: have a small, quiet life with their two kids, and
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: they're doing They're doing fine, right, and that's what the
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: average man wants. And funnily enough, what.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, finally, well, I'm just gonna say this seems to
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: be an outcome for this community, strangely enough, is that
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: somehow women get involved in this community and through the
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: magic of something they decided that being a wife and
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: mothers is fine because we're now feminism, yeah, the magic
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: of not feminism. We're now at I think, uh six
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: children born since we started more in the late like
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: the last five years, so two families that are somehow
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: that are associated with our community. And specifically I've heard
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: one woman who's now has two kids, and she was
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: really really concerned, like she was nervous about having kids,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: and she said that being part of this community gave
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: her the confidence to do that, the confidence in her
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: her relationship with her where their now husband, and the
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: confidence in herself to actually become a mother. And a
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: lot of what feminism strips from women is that confidence
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: that that that to be a woman. Feminism destroys women's
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: confidence in that, and to be a wife and mother
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: destroys their confidence in that, and it it erodes their
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: sense of trust. And the reason why it does that
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: because is again it constantly undermines the worth of the
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: average man. And we what what I've found from the
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: statistics is that men women will have more children if
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: they feel supported and not just financially, but also that
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: their partner is supporting. What does what does feminism attack?
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: It attacks how men support women and whether or not
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: that support has any value. Right, that's going to kill
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: people women's desire to have children. And if you correct that,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: suddenly they start having kids again. Yeah, we should correct
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: the relationship between men and women. And you point out
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: that it is not exploitative, like you know your partner
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: your male partner is going to be your biggest asset
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: and having children. You point that out to women, and
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: suddenly they start having children even when you know. It's
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: a man who doesn't have a bagotti and side pieces
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: and a nice watch and cool suits. Right, it's just
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: a normal guy maybe works at a factory or as
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: an electrician or something like that. That's the other thing
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: this community sells those men normal men, because it would
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: because we're challenging the very thing that makes a normal
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: man unattractive to a normal woman, feminism. Okay, let's keep.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: Going, all right, So deadly do write sentence a rumble
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: rant for five dollars and says, I bet that making
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: that documentary actually saved her future, and she would have
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: been a bitter old cat lady had she not actually
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: investigated the men's rights movement. Yeah, she said that herself,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: though she said that, like she told me. I think
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: it was like we were in London for ICI twenty eighteen.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: So I've only been to a couple of icmis to
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, which was in England, the twenty seventeen in Australia,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: and the twenty eighteen, which was also in England, and
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: then the twenty nineteen in Chicago and the twenty eighteen one,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: Cassie j was there and it was there that she
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: told us that she was engaged. And I met her
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: boyfriend like in Australia. And he's a hell of a
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: guy too, Like he reminds me of a very good
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: friend of mine from Chicago. He looks like him too.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: It's it's weird, but uh yeah, yeah, it was absolutely
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: that's what happened. Okay, Anyway, we got to get back
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: to this cause it's been like almost two hours. So
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: this is Myron Gaines section. I don't know, maybe we
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: can do it in two parts. So this is where
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: he meets Myron Gaines. I don't have a lot of
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: time codes, but there's a lot of talking going on,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: which I'm okay with. But I'm just saying, you know,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: so all right, and this is like one of the
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: creepy things that he does where he tries to get
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: into people's personal life. So he does this a lot
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: with Myron.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: Gaines friends named Angie. Right yeah, and then do you
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: have like a rotation of other women?
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say a rotation, like right now, I do
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: want to get the multiple wives.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 6: But right now, I'm just like focusing on like building
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 6: things up for this year.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: Especially multiple wives.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: Really, Hey, there's Angrew right there.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: Should we meet Angie?
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: Notice the editing. So I don't know if you guys
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: know this, but Myron Gaines himself put out a video
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: clip where he because he was recording, like when he
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: I didn't show that art but but Mayor Gangs takes
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: his phone out and starts recording right there, and Louis
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: throw says, well, you don't trust me, and he was
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: like no, so but anyway, I'm a bit upset about
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: missing out on the Budapest I seem I I didn't
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: go to that one. I couldn't go. Paul didn't either, Brian,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: can I get.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: You to like move a little bit to the left
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: because you're moving off screen? Again?
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: Like like oh, I say yeah, yeah, or just maybe
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: zoom out a bit.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: I moved. I can't. I can't zoom this. I moved
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: the camera though.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, I shouldn't ask you what cameras on air? Later? Well,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: I'll'll inquire later.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, can we say hi?
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: We'll keep it short though for her. Hi, Louis nice
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: to meet.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 4: How do you do.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: Kay, Yeah, what the truck? Did you to Myron?
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: I say to my friends, saying, like, to people that
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: always questioned a relationship, that my somebody from their cameras,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: but behind them is somebody else with me.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: And I just want to point out the editing here too. Okay,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: he says, what attract you to Myron? And then she
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: merely answers another question? Did you see that? So like
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: this is very deceptively edited? Is that that was my
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: point in this? Okay, what if you think about Myron?
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: I don't give a shit, Like that's irrelevant. We're not
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: talking about him right now. So but okay, so let
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: me see I got time codes. Let's jump ahead to
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: the part where he goes backstage. Well, so he's on
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: the Fresh and Fit podcast, I guess, and he goes
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: backstage to meet with the girl that books girls for
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: the show. And this I don't think he was supposed
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: to do. This is a lie.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 6: They were a makeup.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: You don't know when they're on their period.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: They don't really show attention like that to you.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: With a few minutes before my segment, I wandered off
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: to me, think what.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: He means is that you don't know when they're ovulating.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't know their cycle. Yeah, and again you know,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: he's like, look, the Fresh and Fit podcast is kind
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: of like a shock jock thing, right, that's kind of
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: compared to they're gonna say shocking things. I'm sorry, I'm
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: not gonna get my panties in a twist because he
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: said something like that, I just don't care.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: I don't care, like it's really like, it just doesn't
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: bother me. I just don't. I don't watch them. I
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: don't give a ship. And I think that if you
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: care a lot, you're basically giving fuel to these people
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: to be like, oh, don't you don't you want to disavow?
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: Don't you want to disavow? You know? Otherwise, how can
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: you guys get any done? Anything done?
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: What does it'? It's it's not it's because of y'all.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: It's not because of Myron. You know, what are you doing?
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 4: Lily? Lily?
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: I see I help out?
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: So the will end up going all impression fit on
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: the show.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes we get into fights here before when we
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: used to serve alcohol, and it didn't get those nights
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: really pretty when the girls got into their emotions so
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: they were talking and she's not saying anything weird. It's
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: probably true, and they're here's some more weird editing like
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: somehow you know, they're like it almost looks like it's
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: playing out a certain way. Like Myron's like looking back,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: like what's going on back there? I gotta do something.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like how true any of this is?
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: This could be anything else, you know, it's hard to say.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: As we continued, Myron became a weird.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: Not exactly sure why. I'm not exactly sure why that
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: seems so damning.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's supposed to be because but I agree,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: like if if you had a guest over your house, okay,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: and or your job or your business and they're there
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: to like monitor and then you're like in your work
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: and they wander off and they're gone for a while,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: when you think that was weird? Would would would you
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: think it was rude? Like if you had a friend
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: over or not a friend, you never met this person,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: they're a guest in your house and they just go
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: into your fridge or they just go into your like
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: you know, your bedroom or something like your private area
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: that that you you didn't say you can't go there,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: but it's sort of like, I mean, the way I
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: grew up. You know, you're not supposed to do that,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: Like you don't go into like you.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: You don't go over to your friend's house and start, like,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: you know, filing through his tax returns.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. What does a mental tackle have to do
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: with the podcast? It's it doesn't it doesn't matter. It's there.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: They can talk about whatever they want. I can talk
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: about whatever I want. I mean, well, okay, so he's
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: like in her, he's basically like doing something of what
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: I would consider to be a faux pa, a social
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: faux pot at least. And she's saying, oh you you
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: can't stay, but I can't answer questions that's.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: Right, Okay, you're okay.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: What happened?
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to properly say this that I
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: cannot answer any more questions anymore. Yeah, okay, sorry, that's
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: all right. I appreciate you guys problem. I'm sorry to
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: make it.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, you did it.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: You didn't.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: I just I'm just not allowed to. That's God. He
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: makes it worse to eat lingers, like what are you doing?
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: Just get out of there? Bro Okay anyway, So he
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: goes back there and uh, let me jump ahead here.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: Well let's see if we can just jump to one
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: of the other good stuff. Okay, about an hour in
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: so there's like other scenes where he talked to HS
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: Tiki TALKI Again. This guy basically is the recurring character.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: He's like in three parts. He's in the beginning, he's
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: in the middle, is at the end. And I think
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: the reason is because he's sort of like the new
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: guy coming up, and Lewis is like, you know, centering
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: on him to show the audience like this is what
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: the minisphere is evolving into. That's why he described guys
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: like Justin Waller and Myron Gains as like the predecessors.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: Right, well, he gotta, he gotta. He got a clip
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: from Tiki Talkie where Tiki Talkie says all, I don't
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: care about morality, yeah right yeah, which like he doesn't.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: What he meant by that is he doesn't care about
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: the rage bait that he's posting is getting attention. And
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean it's fair too to say, well,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: that's not like, do you have any ethical system, do
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: you have any code of honor? What's your code? I mean, specifically,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: feminists have destroyed the idea that men have a code
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: and that they should be attached to their masculine ethics
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: via a code. So I would say that this, the
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: fact that this young man does not conceive of himself
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: in terms of a code other than making money and
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: getting bitches, is well, thank you feminism. That's a yeah.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: And what I mean are what what do women reward?
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: Do they reward a guy with a code that's being
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: like nice and stuff or more like living the hip
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: hop culture life, which one gets. That's what he's saying.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yes, that's exactly it, Like there's a particular
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: like that what's being incentivized here? And I don't mean
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: like a guy who acts nice. I mean a guy
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: with integrity. That's not necessarily a man who nice acts nice,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: you know, it's a man who acts to protect what's
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: within his sphere of protection, right, And I like, if
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: I could say anything none of these guys had. They
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: didn't give a sense of any kind of integrity. They
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: were all about materialism, they were all about money. They
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: didn't talk about any kind of ethics or ethical systems,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: and of course there didn't ask. So I can't really
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: blame them too much. But then they're also responding to
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: the market forces. This is what women want, displays of
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: wealth and the fact you have other women around you
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: apparently according to what we saw in the t app anyway,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: also also possibly criminal criminal record.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: Oh no, women like that because that's part of the
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: hip hop thing. Like they're they're following, they're following what
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: they think is you know, cool. I guess it's like.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: This culture is is like almost on a continuum with
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: hip hop rap culture. That's what this is. It's just
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: gigantic display. It's just that these guys have don't have
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: a musical talent. They're just the wealth and the women
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: and that's it, right, And it's it's interesting that that.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: You know, now we're in an age where men don't
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: even have to have a musical talent to have this.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: It's just being attractive to women. It's just being in
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: the top five percent. That's all you need, right, That's
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: that's a that's an interesting it's interesting thing that has happened.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: But it's happened because feminism is undermined the worst of
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: the average man.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: In one clip from hs TI Guitark, he got to
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: sit down with Bonnie Blue. And if you guys know
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: Bonnie Blue, she was the chick who boasted sleeping with
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: a thousand men in a day, and her whole brand
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: is basically the same. It's a mirror it well I
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: don't even think it's a mirror, but it's sort of similar.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: Like he you know, it's the same, kind of like
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: how do I get clickbait or whatever. But for some reason,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: Lewis the Rose sees Bonnie Blue as a victim or
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: at least, like you know, frames it that way with
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: this like little interaction they have have so here.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: Well, it's because he's trying to frame this guy the hypocrite.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, profiting from OnlyFans girls while at the same time
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: calling them disgusting. She's an interview he'd done with the Wait.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: A second, is she calling Is he calling OnlyFans girls
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: disgusting or Bonnie Blue disgusting?
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: Well, he said, I think he says that he wouldn't
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: let his daughter do that, but that he's he doesn't
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: care if other girls do it. He'll like basically make
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: money off of them, which again I mean, I don't
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: if that condemns him, it must condemn them as well.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: Well, geez, what would what would have prevented this? I'm
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: at masculine ethical code and what was the thing that
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: women that feminists said that men that men can't develop
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: right because men are failed girls. So men don't have
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: an ethical code that develops a direct response to direct
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: result of their masculinity and their cognitive architecture. They don't
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: develop that, and if they do, it's wrong, it's patriarchy.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: So feminists got rid of that, and now we see
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: men whose ethical code is entirely well, I don't want
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: to say optional, but conditional and situational, and it's all
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: about it's all appetite. It's all about material goods that
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: appeal to women. What did you think would happen feminists?
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: Why is he doing a documentary on Bonnie Blue?
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point too.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, or like some woman who wants to pick
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: up her you know, the reins after she's done.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: Famous for claiming to have had sex with a thousand
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: men in one day. It's just the latest example.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 6: It was art lives than this, be much more educated.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 6: What do your parents say about this?
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: Is there actual evidence that he said any other woman
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: besides Bonnie Blue was disgusting.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: It's later on when they're talking about because he thinks
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: that she's a disgusting person.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: What I'm saying is the Row has said he's called
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: only fans models discussing.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he does say that. Later on he says that
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't let his daughter do that.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 4: That's what he said.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't have a daughter. He's hypothetically he said
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't let his daughter do that.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's his daughter. And in fact, it's.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: Almost I know, but that's basically that's where that's where
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: the Row is getting it from.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: It's almost a comment on the men. The father too
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: writ mm hm that he would let his daughter do this, right,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: and it's I don't know. Is that inconsistent the fact
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: that he uses onlyfan models as ways of advancing his
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: career at the same time as he would not want
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: his daughter to be an OnlyFans model.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is that if you wanted a
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: consistent masculine ethical frame, you shouldn't have killed it feminists, yeah,
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: and replaced it with this like I mean everything that
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: they're oh says all these men are so horrible. I'm like, well, yeah,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: thank feminism. Yeah, for sure, fingers pointing back at you.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 6: Throw Bonnie, why are you rattled? You took your mic
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 6: coffee Dune Blonde put the mic on, Bonnie just got
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 6: fucking crash.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: It was a striking contradiction. By now, his wariness of
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: me had lessened, presumably because he'd noticed his posts about
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: the filming. We're helping his social media presence.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna I'm gonna jump ahead.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: But maybe we can finish this today and then we
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: never have to visit again.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, or do you want to do Basically He
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: confronts him about this, and he says that he basically
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: sat down with Bonnie Blue, despite the fact that he's
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: grossed out by her, because it gets him clicks and clout.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: He says this, I think it's fair, and I bet
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: if you ask her why she went on there, she
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: would have said the same thing. And I don't think
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: it speaks to like a broader societal issue. I think
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: it just speaks to these people and their unresolved personal problems.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: And it's the thing that I think that we should
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: we should be talking about more that we're not. So Yeah,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: he's using me to get famous. She's using him to
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: get famous. That's all.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So Digital Artist says, the whole premise is Thireaux
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: is white nighting and saving all the women from these brutes.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: He's the one good man. Yes, what we're seeing is
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: a cock fight between two hierarchies. One is well, sort
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: of a cockfight. One is the kind of I don't know, uh,
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: materialist multiple women top uh you know, wealth hierarchy, and
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: the other one is the virtue hierarchy. He's the one
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: who's gonna save. He's the one, he's the appropriate savior
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: of all the women, of everyone everywhere. It's it, and
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: of course he thinks that's more virtuous, but it's still
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: it is still competing with other men. In fact, it's
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: even more so.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: All right, all right, you've got five hundred thousand people
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: on your telegram, right, yeah, and you're advertising only fans
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: calls on there.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think there's a contradiction there, because.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 6: I openly say, I don't give a fuck, and I'm
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 6: doing it for money. I don't care.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: About the morality of it.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 6: I know it's not good. I say to people, don't
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 6: watch porn. It's sad, it's lose a shit.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: You can't say I promote it, but I discourage people
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: from doing it. But you can they say it, but
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: it doesn't mean anything.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 6: How does it not mean anything? Like?
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: So come down to the gym, I'm gonna help you
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: work out. And then you come in the front door
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: and they're just a row of donuts. Is a box
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: of donuts that I'm holding up to your face. If
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: you eat that, you're a lousiber. I'm gonna go and
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: work out.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: It's like, well, I'm getting a very mixed message.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: What you do, you do, what you choose. He says, if.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 6: You want to go and eat the dognuts, eat the dognuts,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 6: But I own the doughnuts shop.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna say else. And he's trying to calm.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing that bothers me. I'm sorry, I gotta
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: say this, okay, Luis the road does not have a
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: moral framework for this guy. So in this, yes, HS
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: is immoral or a moral at least? Right He basically says,
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm making money and that's it. And
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: so he's out and open with it. This is my
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: I don't have a moral frame. I have goals. These
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: are the things I'm gonna accomplish, Okay, But the road
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't have any either, because he's coming at this from
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: also from a purely materialist, secular humanist worldview of, well,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: you should do this, You should do this because it's right, Well,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: based on what preferences, that's all you have? Well, I
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: prefer you do it there men. Yeah, it's based on
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: women's preferences basically, but it's not based on anything transcendent.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: There's no morality here. They're both making women preference arguments.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: But not the women this guy's employing, and also giving
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: clote to Yeah, just women in the abstract that the's
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: women in the abstract, that the abstract construct of women
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: that Thereau has created that totally supports him being the
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: alpha good man in his own minds. So he's got
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: his chorus of women in his mind and his abstract
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: concept of a woman that makes him the good man,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: the one good man. Yeah, and those women and Thureau's
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: mind who are all cheering, Thureau, you're the best, You're
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: the best, You're the one good man. They don't approve
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: of what Tiki Talkie is doing, even though Tiki Talkie
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: is giving employment and clout to women like this like okay,
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: so which women Thureau? Which women? Okay? Can we get
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: to the end, like when when Thureau finally gets his I.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: Wanted to show. I wanted to show the thing that
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: I thought was the most interesting. But I'm trying to
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: find the time code here one oh five. I think
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: Jump ahead a bit in two hours.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: I know what, you want to do this in two parts?
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: Then sure there's.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: Some good there's some good stuff in here later. And
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: I think it's very important and I want to gloss
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: over it.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, fine, So.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: Why don't we do this in two parts? So we're
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: gonna get so we're gonna do here is there's going
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: to be the next one. There's gonna be some information
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: about these guys's history, all these influencers he's talking to.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: And I think there's an important common denominator that you
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: may see when we go through it that, of course,
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: the road is too much of a coward to actually confront.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: He mentions it in passing. In fact, he uses it
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: to further discredit them and the Manisphere instead of seeing
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: this through the lens of some kind of sympathy. And
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: I think it's important that we look at this stuff,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: but we can talk about it. I don't know we
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: do a Friday because I don't know if no, it's okay.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: And I also have some bonus content of feminists making
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: reaction videos to this as well. And this means that
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: the propaganda is working as intended, so they are losing
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: their shit. So yeah, we can definitely that.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: I really wish we could have gotten too the twist today,
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: but we didn't, so stay tuned for that. It's a
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: great twist at the end of this. Yeah, it actually
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: completely completely discredits the entire platform that THEO is conduct
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: constructing for himself. All right, So once again, if you
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• 1:56:39
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• 1:56:41
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• 1:56:44
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• 1:56:46
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• 1:56:58
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• 1:57:25
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• 1:57:29
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• 1:57:34
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• 1:57:52
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• 1:58:02
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• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: guys so much for coming on the show. I don't
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: know why I had like a moment, a brain fart.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Boy Cat was no.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: Boycat today, no dimention.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: No, she's actually in the dark looking at me.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, she's become she has become darkness.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 4: It was born in the dark, born Mourner.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: Anyway, thanks guys for coming on the show, and I'll
• 1:58:39
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