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'LOVE FRAUD' serial bigamist leaves women lonely, heartbroken and BROKE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace love fraud. Do those two
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Speaker 1: words really fit together? Love fraud? As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: they do. There's a brand new documentary on Showtime that
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Speaker 1: follows a group of women who created a so called
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Speaker 1: revenge squad to get back at a guy been married
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Speaker 1: eight times that we know of, often at the same time,
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Speaker 1: who seduced them, stole their love, and scammed them out
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Speaker 1: of millions. Hey, you think you're well educated, you got
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Speaker 1: a good job, you'd never fall for a thing like that. Wrong.
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Speaker 1: That sounds like a lot of these women crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. I've heard that I've never had before.
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Speaker 1: I wasn't even want it. I don't think anything to
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Speaker 1: be from these everything I met Scott and Matt Breck.
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Speaker 1: He caught himself, Mickey. I was in love with him
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Speaker 1: because I got to trust from me him two weeks
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Speaker 1: after we met and said I love you. I thought
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Speaker 1: that was weird. Yeah, that is weird. You're hearing actual
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Speaker 1: sound from Love Fraud. It's a Showtime docuseries, and it's
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Speaker 1: not drama. It's real. This guy going from one woman
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Speaker 1: to the next, stealing their love and all their money.
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Speaker 1: Guys with me an all Star. Panela kurt nermy renowned
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Speaker 1: defense attorney, author A Trap with miss Arius, Parts two
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Speaker 1: and three of My Final Words on Amazon. Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: Psycho Analyst to the Stars, joining us from Beverly Hills,
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Speaker 1: she said, Doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Ray Kaputo, Lead
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Speaker 1: news anchor w DBO Orlando Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet and
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Speaker 1: the star of a new series, Poisonous a liaisons on
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Speaker 1: the True Crime Network. Also with me, Lisa, who does
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Speaker 1: not want her last name out there. She was married
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Speaker 1: to this bum, Richard Scott Smith, and she started the
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Speaker 1: website www dot Scott the Crooked Smith, Scott the Crook
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Speaker 1: Smith Dotweebley dot com. First of all, though, I want
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Speaker 1: to start with another victim, her name Gene Hanson. Listen.
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Speaker 1: I met Rick Smith on March thirteenth of twenty fifteen.
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Speaker 1: Rick and I hit it off and we were talking
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Speaker 1: a lot about his business. He was looking for a
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Speaker 1: president at the time, and based on what he was
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Speaker 1: looking for, I had a very strong background to be
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Speaker 1: able to help him with that business and grow the business,
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Speaker 1: so we had been talking a lot about that and
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Speaker 1: also started dating at that time. When we first met,
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Speaker 1: he was very charming, He was very affectionate, he was
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Speaker 1: always complimentary, just a really really nice guy. Very charisma.
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Speaker 1: Worry that I started noticing more and more just things
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Speaker 1: we didn't feel quite right. He was very controlling, didn't
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Speaker 1: want me to go anywhere or do anything, didn't want
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Speaker 1: me to be with my friends, very manipulative, and that's
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Speaker 1: how we got me to do things and agree to
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Speaker 1: things that I would have never ever agreed to. I've
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Speaker 1: never experienced that kind of abuse before. To doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: Psychoanalyst to the Stars at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, this is an educated, articulate woman who got
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Speaker 1: taken for everything she had by this guy. Do you
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Speaker 1: hear her? What really stuck out in my mind? As
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Speaker 1: she said, he was very charismatic. Yes, because he groomed
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Speaker 1: his victims, He probably self aggrandized, made them feel that
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Speaker 1: he was the only one who could love them like
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Speaker 1: he did. That their flower would only bloom if it
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Speaker 1: was planted in his garden, and what they That's certainly
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Speaker 1: one way to put it, they begin to spin stories
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Speaker 1: only rely on me. I have money coming, but it's
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Speaker 1: stuck in another country or stuck in another bank account.
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Speaker 1: I can help save your life. And I would imagine
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Speaker 1: that flirtation, control, and money conversations were all intertwined at
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Speaker 1: the beginning of all of these relationships. Nancy, I've had patients.
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Speaker 1: I had one patient who made four or five hundred
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year. I think she worked for Warner Brothers.
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Speaker 1: Right educated, single mom, late thirties. She got suckered in
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Speaker 1: by one of these guys, and it happened within three weeks,
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Speaker 1: and she was ashamed to tell me about it. That
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Speaker 1: he hit her up online, and she imagined she was
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Speaker 1: in love from the first conversation. You know you, Kurt Nurmi.
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Speaker 1: You're a renowned defense attorney. You defended Jodi Arius at trial.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that if you look back at everyone
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Speaker 1: of Jodi Arius's boyfriends. I'm not asking you to divulge
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Speaker 1: any attorney client privilege, but I've looked at her various
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Speaker 1: boy friends in one of the past and the one
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Speaker 1: she headed to after she murdered Chavis Alexander. According to
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Speaker 1: a jury, I know you disagree, but they all had
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Speaker 1: something in common. They were all established. They all had
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Speaker 1: a condo at home, they all had a job, they
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Speaker 1: all had a car, They all were stable with a
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Speaker 1: circle of friends and essentially well established. And I believe
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Speaker 1: that goes for financial wise as well. Do you see
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Speaker 1: that similarity in all the guys, Jody aristated, well, I
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Speaker 1: see certainly more of that in her adult relationships. And
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Speaker 1: I also, Nancy. I think one of the key is too,
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Speaker 1: is we're not just talking about establishment. We're talking about
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Speaker 1: that to a degree, but morphing to become a part
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Speaker 1: of that establishment. And I think that's what we see
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Speaker 1: here with mister Smith. He sees established people, and he
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Speaker 1: morphs himself so as to be in that world, to
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Speaker 1: be in that orbit. We heard about this company and
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Speaker 1: he was going to make this woman the president and everything.
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Speaker 1: I think he's morphing himself into the world, like what
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany just said, intertwining himself, getting to the point
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Speaker 1: where their success is intertwined with his and intertwined with him,
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Speaker 1: so they become dependent on him. And with this illusion
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Speaker 1: of love as as as the icing on the preverbial cake.
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Speaker 1: And I think some of that was certainly apparent with
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Speaker 1: Missirius as well. Guys, we are listening to victim Jane
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Speaker 1: Hanson here. She is speaking to the Kansas City Star.
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Speaker 1: Listened after I left Greck. After we separated, I learned
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Speaker 1: about a blog and found a lot of information about
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Speaker 1: previous women and found that through that that he was
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Speaker 1: still married to one of them. So that was when
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Speaker 1: I decided I was going to file for an annulment
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Speaker 1: rather than a divorce, because obviously that was big of me.
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Speaker 1: I filed for an annulment and it included an affidavit
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Speaker 1: from his current wife. The judge signed off on it
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Speaker 1: and it didn't take long. Let's top I had a
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Speaker 1: perfect credit score, which is probably one of the things
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Speaker 1: that bothers me the most because he put me in
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Speaker 1: debt and I've lost my house, I've lost my cars,
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Speaker 1: I've lost pretty much everything. It's still difficult, but talking
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Speaker 1: about it sometimes helps. And that's why the other women
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Speaker 1: and I get together, because we do talk about this
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Speaker 1: and it helps us work through it and knowing that
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Speaker 1: we're not alone in this. I want him put away.
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Speaker 1: I want him in prison, basically saying forget about all
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Speaker 1: the love and the romance. And the sex. Where's my money?
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Speaker 1: It's gone? It is gone because of this guy, according
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Speaker 1: to these women, and you can find out all about it.
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Speaker 1: And this brand new docuseries Showtime called love a Fraud.
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Speaker 1: This guy currently married reportedly to multiple women at the
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Speaker 1: same time, across different states, and he's only uncovered when
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Speaker 1: one of the women creates a website about him and
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Speaker 1: the other women find out about it. They don't even
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Speaker 1: know about each other up to reportedly eight marriages. But
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Speaker 1: forget about that, what happened to their perfect credit writing?
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Speaker 1: What happened to all their money crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about in the true sense of the word,
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Speaker 1: I love fraud. Now you're just hearing from victim Gene Hanson.
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Speaker 1: Now take a listen to Sandy speaking to WDAFTV. He
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Speaker 1: is not stupid. He knows exactly what he's doing and
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Speaker 1: knows exactly what to do to pull him in. Sandy,
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Speaker 1: a woman living in the Northland at the time, started
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Speaker 1: dating Richard Scott Smith in twenty fifteen. After a few months,
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Speaker 1: they were engaged, but she said Smith became angry when
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Speaker 1: she wouldn't combine their checking accounts. Things went downhill very fast.
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Speaker 1: They spilled over one night at an Iowa hotel room,
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Speaker 1: and he kept beating me and beating me, and I said,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna kill me, and he kept going at it,
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Speaker 1: and I thought I was going to die right there.
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Speaker 1: Smith was arrested for domestic assault, and that's when police
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Speaker 1: would tell her something she couldn't believe. It was just shocking, shocking.
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Speaker 1: Her fiancee had just married someone else three days earlier
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Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. My brother in law saw the blog
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Speaker 1: at three o'clock in the morning, and that's when all
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Speaker 1: heck broke loose and I started finding out about him.
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Speaker 1: Who is this guy? Terray Caputo, lead news anchor wdep Boh,
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Speaker 1: who is this guy? Nancy's flatter. Oh, he's just a
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Speaker 1: con man. He talks a really big game. He has
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Speaker 1: all these dating app profiles. He's a pathological liar, and
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Speaker 1: what he's really good at is being a chameleon. He
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Speaker 1: can be anything to anyone. He sees vulnerable women, women
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Speaker 1: who are in a point they're way for the looking
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Speaker 1: for somebody to looking for companionship. The type of woman
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Speaker 1: that goes to work and takes care of kids and
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Speaker 1: has very little time and he just speaks to the fantasy.
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Speaker 1: And one thing Nancy does that I really don't have
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Speaker 1: my guard up over his fast friendships. And that's what
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Speaker 1: he was good at. He started throwing around the love
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Speaker 1: word after two to three weeks, so the long three sorts.
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Speaker 1: This guy is a seamless pathological condent. You know when
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Speaker 1: you first look at him, he's not, let me just say, um,
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Speaker 1: a classic handsome guy, okay, And that's the ephemism at
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Speaker 1: first blush. Richard Scott Smith aka Scott aka Rick aka
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Speaker 1: Mickey does not look like a playboy. He prays on single,
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Speaker 1: middle aged suburban moms using multiple aliens. Alias says charms
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Speaker 1: with a flattery, gifts talk of the future before leading
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Speaker 1: them to financial ruin, and he hinges this on his
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Speaker 1: success to become whatever somebody else wants him to be.
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Speaker 1: He is, as Ray Kaputa just said, a chameleon. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what is the word for that, doctor, Bethany Marshall, have
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Speaker 1: you ever seen I'm thinking in one particular star And
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Speaker 1: in her first marriage she did everything that husband wanted
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Speaker 1: to do. Then in the second marriage, I noticed she
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Speaker 1: completely started addressing from an La California look to a
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Speaker 1: grunge New York. Look all right, now she's back to
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Speaker 1: the la. Look what is it when you change everything
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Speaker 1: about yourself based on who you're with at the moment. Well,
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Speaker 1: I think that different people do it for different reasons.
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Speaker 1: This love fraudster did it so that he could, as
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Speaker 1: I said earlier, groom his victim, seduce them, make them
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Speaker 1: feel that he was just like them, Nancy. What he
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Speaker 1: did was he presented himself as probably superior to everybody
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Speaker 1: else in the world. I understand you better, I can
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Speaker 1: help you better, I can love you better than anyone else.
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Speaker 1: But at the same time as vulnerable and somebody who
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Speaker 1: really needed financial help. Like I said earlier, I have money,
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Speaker 1: but it's not here, It's somewhere else. Just like the
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Speaker 1: guests who sent up Bethany, I got a question for you.
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Speaker 1: Just this weekend, some friends at ours were describing the
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Speaker 1: wife's girlfriend, and they said, beautiful, smart, got a PhD.
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Speaker 1: She's bringing home all the money in the family when
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Speaker 1: she was dating. Oh yeah, I think she had been
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Speaker 1: the wife's roommate at one time. She should have guys
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Speaker 1: lined up around the blot to go out with her.
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Speaker 1: But who did she pick? The jackass? Who belittles her,
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Speaker 1: talks down to her, acts like her contributions are nothing,
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Speaker 1: even though she's bringing in all the money in the
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Speaker 1: family and has always been an arrogant s ob with
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Speaker 1: a superiority complex. Why fall for him? You know? That's
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Speaker 1: something a little about David. He is like a business
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Speaker 1: in my mind's a business genius. But he is so
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Speaker 1: down to earth. He can get along with everybody in
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Speaker 1: my rural community where I grew up to CEOs and
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Speaker 1: people that sit on all sorts of important boards, to professors.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's so humble and unassuming. He would never
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Speaker 1: be arrogant or talking down to other people. Why do
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Speaker 1: women fall for arrogant s obs? Nancy? I probably shouldn't
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Speaker 1: say this on air, but I have two female patients
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Speaker 1: in my practice who are pop pop female pop stars
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Speaker 1: household names all over the world. You would know who
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Speaker 1: they are. Both of them are supporting their deadbeat boyfriends
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Speaker 1: and have been doing it for over ten years. Not
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Speaker 1: even going to say Jackie's over here shaking her head. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not even going into that can of worms.
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Speaker 1: I had to do an intervention with one of them.
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Speaker 1: She had no idea where her boyfriend was during the day,
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Speaker 1: what he did for a living, how he spent his time.
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Speaker 1: But she paid for everything, and I made them sit
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Speaker 1: down with a CPA and go over all of her
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Speaker 1: finances and all of his. He told her he was
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Speaker 1: making millions of dollars a year. She believed it, and
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Speaker 1: he was making eight thousand dollars a month, which is
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Speaker 1: still a lot of money, but he was spending it
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Speaker 1: all on himself, taking her credit cards, using them to
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Speaker 1: fly his family members around the world. I mean, my
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Speaker 1: head was spinning. The very next week, met with the
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Speaker 1: other pop star. Her boyfriend was doing the exact same thing.
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Speaker 1: And what both of these women did is they told
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Speaker 1: themselves that they had a special and unique relationship with
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Speaker 1: a guy. They told themselves all of these men said,
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Speaker 1: I am working so hard to help you in your
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Speaker 1: career that you owe me. That's another part of this manipulation.
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Speaker 1: So the men would start to feel that because these
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Speaker 1: female pop stars were so wealthy and so successful, the
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Speaker 1: man would tell himself, I'm responsible for your success, and
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Speaker 1: then the woman then starts to believe it. Just like
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Speaker 1: the guest earlier, who he probably loved, Fraudster promised to
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Speaker 1: make her you know, the CEO of a company. I'm
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Speaker 1: going to prop you up and now you owe me everything.
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Speaker 1: That is a very core dynamic. They also separate their
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Speaker 1: victims from the rest of the world. Neither of these
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Speaker 1: pop stars have friends. They are beloved by the world,
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Speaker 1: but they have no individual friends. They're completely under their
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Speaker 1: boyfriend's spell and control. And in both cases, I brought
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Speaker 1: in CPAs and professionals, and I made the woman look
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Speaker 1: at what was happening on paper, and it broke the
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Speaker 1: denial in both cases. You know, to you, Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: you're the forensic expert. To I know, you often are
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Speaker 1: analyzing blood evidence and other forensics like fingerprints and hair fiber.
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Speaker 1: But there's such a thing as forensic accounting. Those are
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Speaker 1: hard numbers to look at when you're a woman and
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Speaker 1: you think you're in love with a bum. Yeah, you're
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Speaker 1: absolutely right, Nancy. You know what's really cool. I'm so
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Speaker 1: glad that you brought up this idea of blood, because
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Speaker 1: you know what, sometimes blood can be washed away. But
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Speaker 1: when you talk about keystrokes, you talk about entries in
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Speaker 1: balance sheets, when you follow an electronic trail. And I
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Speaker 1: have a lot of friends that are actually forensic accountants.
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Speaker 1: When you follow that trail, many times that's more solid
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Speaker 1: than anything that will recover, like in physical evidence that
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Speaker 1: are crompsing relative to trace evidence and those sorts of
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Speaker 1: things we're talking about numbers. And then you place him
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Speaker 1: in all of these different locales with all of these
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Speaker 1: poor women along this path that he's kind of wrought
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Speaker 1: of destruction, and it paints this horrible, horrible hell scape.
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Speaker 1: You know that he's drugged these women through for all
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Speaker 1: of these years. And what's so compelling about this? And
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Speaker 1: you're an attorney, I know that you know this. Can
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Speaker 1: you imagine having this guy like in federal court state
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Speaker 1: by state by state by state of all of the
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Speaker 1: chaos that he's wrought the people that he's robbed, Because Nancy,
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Speaker 1: this is literally theft, this is a robbery. He's not
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Speaker 1: just well not jess a robbery, bigamy as well, married
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Speaker 1: up to eight women and nobody knew what was going
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Speaker 1: on in other jurisdictions. Time stories. With Nancy Grace, we
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Speaker 1: are talking about a guy who's called the love of fraud.
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Speaker 1: How many women has he bankrupted on his search for
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Speaker 1: love or as I call it, search for money? Joining
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Speaker 1: us is Lisa. She does not want her last name used,
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Speaker 1: but she's the one that started the website Scott the
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Speaker 1: Crook Smith dot Weebley dot com. So, Lisa, what's your
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Speaker 1: story with Richard Scott Smith. I met him online through
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Speaker 1: an online dating site, and we I felt like we
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Speaker 1: had a great connection. It just seemed like, you know,
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Speaker 1: he seemed to say that all the right things. He
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Speaker 1: just BOMs pretty fast. Within a few months we ended
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Speaker 1: up married. And his method of operation is too I
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Speaker 1: didn't really have any money and he knew that, so
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Speaker 1: it was it was more after my credit than he
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Speaker 1: was any kind of money because I didn't have any.
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Speaker 1: So what he originally tried to do was get being
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Speaker 1: to buy an expensive vehicle, and we also put in
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Speaker 1: for a lease purchase for a very expensive home, like
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Speaker 1: almost a million dollars. He had hoping he had a
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Speaker 1: trust fund that would pay for the pay the house off.
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Speaker 1: Within like two years, I started catching him in some
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Speaker 1: lives and luckily I was able to get out before
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Speaker 1: any of this half of anything ever went through with
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Speaker 1: the house. I mean, you were saved by the skin
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Speaker 1: on your teeth, Lisa. I mean David and I had
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Speaker 1: been talking about buying a new mini van for about
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Speaker 1: five years and we finally broke down and did it.
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Speaker 1: When they repair only oh one was going to be
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Speaker 1: about four thousand dollars. Long story short. If David Lanch
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Speaker 1: walked in and told me he wanted to buy a
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Speaker 1: luxury car like a bmworm or said he's I think
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Speaker 1: he had lost his mind, totally lost his mind to
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Speaker 1: go that much in hock for a car. Guys, we
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Speaker 1: were talking about someone known as he quote love fraud
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Speaker 1: so much so that Showtime has created a brand new
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Speaker 1: docuseries on this guy. Love fraud with me right now, Lisa.
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Speaker 1: After you got out of the relationship, you started this
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Speaker 1: website Scott the Crook Smith dot Weebley dot com. Why
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Speaker 1: as soon as I left, I contacted a woman who
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Speaker 1: I knew he did not like. It was his X.
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Speaker 1: I found her on Facebook and I contacted her and
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Speaker 1: she told me everything. She told me the truth about
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Speaker 1: everything he had been married. I was like the eighth wife.
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Speaker 1: I think she told me that he'd not have any money.
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Speaker 1: You know, everything that he had told me, his hole
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Speaker 1: in her life was alive. Plus he had made a
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Speaker 1: lot of promises to my children that he he just
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Speaker 1: kind of like they were affected by all of his lives.
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Speaker 1: And that's what really motivated me to be honest with you.
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Speaker 1: I just really wanted to expose him and also one
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Speaker 1: other woman about him. So I knew that he had,
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Speaker 1: you know, dad done for the past because he'd been
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Speaker 1: married so many times. So I kind of wanted to
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Speaker 1: talk to the women he was married too before, just
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Speaker 1: to see, like, you know, what, what they experienced. And
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Speaker 1: so when I started it, it was really quiet for
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Speaker 1: the first two years, and then people just started coming
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Speaker 1: out of the woodwork, coming out of the woodwork. That's
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Speaker 1: one way to describe it. You know, I'm curious. Earlier, Lisa,
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Speaker 1: you said that you didn't have a lot of money,
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Speaker 1: but the one thing you did have, aside from your children,
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Speaker 1: was really good credit. Kurt Nurmi, trial lawyer. Why would
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Speaker 1: somebody like him want a woman to get attached to
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Speaker 1: their good credit report because it's just as good as
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Speaker 1: money to him, because he has no intention of paying
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Speaker 1: it back, so it doesn't matter. It's an opportunity to
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Speaker 1: acquire goods to perpetuate whatever Scammy wants to perpetuate. Maybe
23:12
Speaker 1: he takes that car and drives it over to the
23:15
Speaker 1: next woman and says, look, I'm rich and we need
23:18
Speaker 1: to do this this thing together in an effort to
23:21
Speaker 1: make more money. It's all building upon another. He said,
23:24
Speaker 1: there is no long term game. It's it's like a
23:28
Speaker 1: flip obviously with these women. Okay, we're Kurt Nermy. You're
23:33
Speaker 1: referring to women like the HGTV show what is it?
23:37
Speaker 1: Flip it or flip this house? Flip this house? So
23:41
Speaker 1: you are comparing the women to a house. What the
23:45
Speaker 1: ugly house? We buy ugly houses where you buy the
23:48
Speaker 1: ugly house, then you fix it up and you sell it.
23:52
Speaker 1: So I'm saying that's his mindset. Okay, with that, With that,
23:58
Speaker 1: he's looking at it because I know you do. Number
24:02
Speaker 1: want to get in trouble with my listeners. What's Who's
24:05
Speaker 1: is this, doctor Bethany's. It's not a flip, It's a
24:08
Speaker 1: Ponzi scheme. I was just thinking this sounds like a
24:10
Speaker 1: Ponzi scheme, but way because the way Kirk Nurmi was
24:13
Speaker 1: describing it, and he's right. He was after this one woman,
24:18
Speaker 1: Lisa because he wanted her good credit and he could
24:22
Speaker 1: sign on her good credit or if get loans, cars,
24:26
Speaker 1: a house, whatever, he wanted based on her good credit rating,
24:32
Speaker 1: right like you know when when people are graduating from
24:35
Speaker 1: college or whenever they need their parents to sign the
24:38
Speaker 1: house loan with them because they don't have any credit.
24:42
Speaker 1: Is that right, Joe Scott Morgan. Yeah, because at that
24:45
Speaker 1: point in time, he can adopt that credit as his
24:48
Speaker 1: own de facto because you know, just like Kurt said,
24:51
Speaker 1: they have no intention. He has no intention of paying
24:54
Speaker 1: any of this back. He's going to hold on to
24:56
Speaker 1: it like grim death until of course he passes it
24:59
Speaker 1: off on them and they're left in ruins. Of course,
25:01
Speaker 1: this can all be traced back to him at times
25:04
Speaker 1: after time after time, And Beth, and I've heard of
25:07
Speaker 1: marrying for money, but I've never heard of marrying to
25:10
Speaker 1: get your partner's good credit writing. Well, OKAYI like a
25:13
Speaker 1: Ponzi scheme. Let's say he takes all these loans out,
25:18
Speaker 1: they come due, he still wants something from the woman
25:21
Speaker 1: he's with. He has to find another woman to get
25:23
Speaker 1: money from them to pay back the old loans. So
25:26
Speaker 1: that's how it's a Ponzi scheme. Nancy, there's a predictable
25:29
Speaker 1: pattern with this guy. He moves in fast, and he
25:32
Speaker 1: lays an emotional foundation. He gets the woman to attach
25:35
Speaker 1: to him. Then he begins to weave a tail about finances.
25:42
Speaker 1: I'm going to pay I'm going to pay your house off.
25:44
Speaker 1: I'm going to make you the CEO of a company.
25:46
Speaker 1: He uses logic and persuasion and massive gifts that he
25:50
Speaker 1: probably bought on his other wife's credit card, and it
25:54
Speaker 1: lures the woman into a false sense of complacency and
25:56
Speaker 1: trust because if he's giving her a Tiffany's bracelet, he's
26:00
Speaker 1: got to have some money somewhere. Little does she know,
26:03
Speaker 1: hey to Lisa, little does she know it's money from
26:06
Speaker 1: another wife or the other wife's good credit. I mean,
26:10
Speaker 1: this guy is married to multiple women, one being you.
26:14
Speaker 1: How did he get away with that? Well, um, that's
26:18
Speaker 1: a good question. I tried to talk to the police
26:21
Speaker 1: about this and nobody seemed interested. Um, it's I guess
26:25
Speaker 1: it's not a real high priority for them. After he
26:29
Speaker 1: got married to the lady that he married the third
26:33
Speaker 1: wife after me, there was a prosecutor that was trying
26:37
Speaker 1: to go after him to nail him for some different things.
26:40
Speaker 1: And um, there was a I think that they were
26:42
Speaker 1: they were going to start investigating him for polygamy. But
26:45
Speaker 1: then next thing, you know, somebody called me and said
26:48
Speaker 1: that he was divorcing me in absentia from Missouri. So
26:54
Speaker 1: he actually, you know, quickly filed for divorced from me,
26:58
Speaker 1: like he was able to do that without you know,
27:00
Speaker 1: knowing my location. So I think that, you know, he
27:04
Speaker 1: was kind of like felt the while was closing in
27:06
Speaker 1: on him where that was concerned. But I found out
27:10
Speaker 1: after that that he was still married to another woman
27:14
Speaker 1: that he had married before me, So he was technically
27:16
Speaker 1: still married to two women after he divorced me. Let
27:19
Speaker 1: me back up, I'm sorry he divorced the woman he
27:22
Speaker 1: married in Las Vegas got an annulment, so I guess
27:27
Speaker 1: he wasn't trying to think of the timeline. It's hard
27:30
Speaker 1: to remember. I think actually when she got an annulment
27:34
Speaker 1: first and then he divorced me, So when he divorced me,
27:38
Speaker 1: then there was only of the one wife time stories
27:54
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, he's called a love of fraud
28:00
Speaker 1: and he is the focus of a Showtime docuseries called
28:05
Speaker 1: The Love Fraud. His real name Richard Scott Smith. And
28:08
Speaker 1: we're talking to Lisa, who was married to this guy
28:11
Speaker 1: at the time. She was married to him. She found
28:13
Speaker 1: out he's married to three women at the same time,
28:15
Speaker 1: but there have been up to eight. He wormed out
28:18
Speaker 1: of that by getting a Norman for one filing for
28:21
Speaker 1: a divorce from her in absentia, leaving him for the moment,
28:25
Speaker 1: we think, just married to one wife. His plan it's
28:29
Speaker 1: not till death do his part. It's till you find
28:33
Speaker 1: out about my fraud and you find out your bank
28:36
Speaker 1: account's empty, your credit is destroyed, and your home is
28:40
Speaker 1: being foreclosed on. That's what this guy is all about.
28:45
Speaker 1: To Lisa, who created the website Scott the Crooked Smith
28:50
Speaker 1: Dotweebley dot com. So in your mind, you went from
28:53
Speaker 1: meeting Thurston Howell the third off Gilligan's Island to the devil, Yes, exactly.
29:02
Speaker 1: And you know, when I first met him, I had
29:07
Speaker 1: a job, a house, in a car, But when he
29:09
Speaker 1: was through with me, I didn't have any of those things.
29:12
Speaker 1: I was working at the time. I was working like
29:14
Speaker 1: some chump assignment and he told me that he wanted
29:18
Speaker 1: me to quit my job, that I didn't need to
29:20
Speaker 1: work because he made enough money. But she was making
29:23
Speaker 1: good money legitimately at the time that we were together.
29:27
Speaker 1: But it wasn't millions of dollars a year like he
29:29
Speaker 1: wanted everybody to think it was. It was really good money,
29:33
Speaker 1: but not to that extent. He worked for a mortgage
29:36
Speaker 1: company that was based out of Huntsville, and he did recruiting,
29:40
Speaker 1: which meant that he would try to recruit other mortgage
29:45
Speaker 1: brokerages to sign over to his brokerage, to take his brokerage,
29:50
Speaker 1: to buy franchise of his brokerage. So I'm wondering if
29:54
Speaker 1: that may have been a way that he finds his
29:56
Speaker 1: targets through the banking business. I mean, you can look
30:00
Speaker 1: right at bank accounts. I would assume you know. Another
30:04
Speaker 1: thing I'm hearing Kurt NERMI defense attorney joining me out
30:09
Speaker 1: of California, Kirk, we are hearing that bigamy or polygamy,
30:14
Speaker 1: as Lisa said, is not prosecuted that much. Why is
30:19
Speaker 1: that a low priority? Yeah, it's I guess it's one
30:23
Speaker 1: of those unique crimes that maybe just doesn't draw that
30:25
Speaker 1: much attention. You know, it's hard to say why prosecutors
30:30
Speaker 1: don't fall up on this. Maybe it's difficult, maybe it's
30:32
Speaker 1: across state lines. Maybe some of them see it as
30:35
Speaker 1: a federal issue. But in this case, you're right. Certainly
30:39
Speaker 1: charges of this elk should be brought in whatever states
30:43
Speaker 1: is possible so this man can wind up behind bars.
30:48
Speaker 1: One of his victims, Tracy, gave this guy access to
30:52
Speaker 1: her money. They bought a house. They were planning to
30:56
Speaker 1: invest in, a retirement condo on the beach in Florida.
31:00
Speaker 1: He going by the name of Richard at that time,
31:03
Speaker 1: said he was expecting a multimillion dollar payout for a
31:06
Speaker 1: medical malpractice suit. Everything they did together revolved around the
31:12
Speaker 1: date November seven, because that's when the money was supposed
31:15
Speaker 1: to come in, and he would always say, November seven,
31:19
Speaker 1: I'm getting the check. Will be millionaires that day. But
31:22
Speaker 1: it all fell in when Tracy's daughter got into his
31:27
Speaker 1: car discovered pure bottles papers addressed to a lot of
31:31
Speaker 1: different people with different names. At first they thought he
31:35
Speaker 1: was a drug addict, but by the time she got
31:39
Speaker 1: to her bank account, she found out it wasn't drugs.
31:44
Speaker 1: He was bleeding her dry. How many women have fallen
31:51
Speaker 1: victim to this one guy. He was not prosecuted at
31:55
Speaker 1: that time for bigamy. So let me ask you this, Lisa,
31:59
Speaker 1: do you know if he is with a woman right now?
32:03
Speaker 1: I actually got about a month ago, who said that
32:06
Speaker 1: her sister was engaged to him and living in a
32:10
Speaker 1: house with him, and the sister who contacted me had
32:14
Speaker 1: found the blog and then she saw the trailer for
32:19
Speaker 1: the documentary and she was like freaking out, and I
32:22
Speaker 1: just told her to get her sister out of there,
32:25
Speaker 1: tell her she's going to have to cut her losses
32:27
Speaker 1: financially and just leave, you know, And that's what she did. Yeah,
32:32
Speaker 1: So he's still he's not. This hasn't slowed him down
32:35
Speaker 1: as far as I mean, I'm sure it's caused issues
32:37
Speaker 1: for him finding new victims, but he is still out there.
32:41
Speaker 1: And what he's done since the blog started, what he
32:44
Speaker 1: would do is he would try to control these women
32:48
Speaker 1: and prevent them from googling his name. Because some of
32:52
Speaker 1: the women didn't know about the blog. I guess they
32:55
Speaker 1: didn't go online or anything. And I think a couple
32:58
Speaker 1: of people he said something about, you know, this is
33:01
Speaker 1: all Flanders. It's not true. He always has an answer
33:06
Speaker 1: for what he's done and he's always the victim. Do
33:09
Speaker 1: you remember that, maybe doctor Bethany Marshall, it's like a
33:12
Speaker 1: willis join him out of la the liar, No matter
33:15
Speaker 1: what you threw the liar. The liar had a lie
33:17
Speaker 1: for you, and it was always believable, even my children.
33:23
Speaker 1: What I tell my female patients when they call me
33:25
Speaker 1: up all excited about somebody they've just met and it
33:28
Speaker 1: sounds too good to be true, it's too If it
33:31
Speaker 1: sounds too good to be true, run the other way.
33:34
Speaker 1: I had a lady call me yesterday she just met
33:36
Speaker 1: a guy. They talked for twenty hours on the phone.
33:39
Speaker 1: She hadn't even gone on a date yet. She said
33:42
Speaker 1: that he said that he owns a yacht, he used
33:45
Speaker 1: to work for the CIA, he worked in the White House.
33:48
Speaker 1: And she send me a link, and when I tried
33:50
Speaker 1: to link to google him, the link was broken. It
33:53
Speaker 1: was dead, so there's no proof of it. So, yes, live,
33:57
Speaker 1: they're like a chameleon, but they always weave a story
34:00
Speaker 1: that's too good to be true. I have a multimillion
34:04
Speaker 1: dollar settlement coming in I don't know. I'm a king
34:09
Speaker 1: in another country, the self a grand eyes. And also
34:12
Speaker 1: I tell my female patients, there's no such thing as
34:15
Speaker 1: a free lunch. This guy's not doing it for you
34:18
Speaker 1: because he wants to do you a favor. He's not
34:20
Speaker 1: saying he's going to pay your mortgage off because he
34:22
Speaker 1: loves you so much, he's trying to get something out
34:25
Speaker 1: of it. All of us need to get some reward
34:27
Speaker 1: from all of our behaviors. And if you're dating somebody
34:30
Speaker 1: who says they're going to give you the world, you know,
34:33
Speaker 1: give you the moon, but you can't really figure out
34:36
Speaker 1: what's in it for them, that's very suspicious. You know
34:39
Speaker 1: what happened to playing old marrying for love? You know,
34:44
Speaker 1: back to you, Lisa, you were talking about a woman
34:49
Speaker 1: who is now with him. You think do you believe
34:53
Speaker 1: that his actions have actually escalated since you guys parted. Yes, absolutely,
35:00
Speaker 1: it's escalated, even since I was with him. I think
35:03
Speaker 1: it's escalated in the sense that you know, he assaulted
35:07
Speaker 1: someone number one, and then also he was I know,
35:10
Speaker 1: after he split up from one of the ladies, he
35:12
Speaker 1: actually took out a loan and forged her name, and
35:16
Speaker 1: you know, he was doing things like that, Like his
35:17
Speaker 1: criminal activity was escalating because when I split up from him,
35:22
Speaker 1: I did a background check on him and he did
35:24
Speaker 1: not have a criminal record at all. So his criminal
35:28
Speaker 1: activity escalated to where you know, he first got arrested
35:31
Speaker 1: when he was charged with the assault, and then and
35:34
Speaker 1: then he you know, he went on probation and he's
35:36
Speaker 1: gotten the rest of for a few other things I
35:38
Speaker 1: believed since then. So yeah, I think it's definitely escalated,
35:42
Speaker 1: you know, to you Jess got Morgan, I remember the
35:44
Speaker 1: first case I had that was handwriting comparison. It was
35:47
Speaker 1: a bank robbery. It's a bank robbery. Note once you
35:49
Speaker 1: do it a couple of times, it's easy to tell
35:52
Speaker 1: a forgery. J Scott. Yeah, it is nancy, particularly with
35:57
Speaker 1: people that are not very well practiced at it, and
35:59
Speaker 1: one say practiced at it. If you have a target, say,
36:02
Speaker 1: for instance, one of these women, he would have to
36:05
Speaker 1: be with them for like a protracted period of tom
36:09
Speaker 1: and practice their writing over and over. What strikes me
36:12
Speaker 1: is that he's gone through these women so quickly. There's
36:16
Speaker 1: no way he could be necessarily as proficient at it
36:19
Speaker 1: as somebody that was a professional unless tracing it. If
36:24
Speaker 1: he got there are segments you're on something, he could
36:26
Speaker 1: trace it. You know. I want to go to Lisa.
36:29
Speaker 1: You created this website, Scott the Crook at Smith Dotweeley
36:32
Speaker 1: dot com. What is your hope for this documentary on Shaytime.
36:38
Speaker 1: My hope or my goal is to, you know, expose
36:43
Speaker 1: him on a wider scale. Obviously, the documentary is gonna
36:46
Speaker 1: I totally expect, fully expect more women to come forward,
36:51
Speaker 1: you know, now that the documentary has come out and
36:53
Speaker 1: that's getting a little bit more attention. I want other
36:56
Speaker 1: women to be warned about him. Maybe they can prevent
36:59
Speaker 1: themselves from being victimized by him. You know, we're hoping,
37:03
Speaker 1: since he's on probation that if he screws up, it's
37:06
Speaker 1: then he'll go to jail. I mean, we all want
37:07
Speaker 1: to see him go to prison, to be honest with you,
37:09
Speaker 1: But there it just hasn't been any charges that have
37:12
Speaker 1: merited that kind of sentence for him. He's done thirty
37:16
Speaker 1: days in jail here, is thirty days in jail there.
37:18
Speaker 1: But that's about the extent of it. So we really
37:21
Speaker 1: want him stopped. Like however, that looks probably prison is
37:25
Speaker 1: the only things that is going to stop him, because
37:27
Speaker 1: obviously he's still going on and seeing other women and
37:31
Speaker 1: pulling them in, and also the fact that he gets
37:33
Speaker 1: from jurisdiction, and jurisdiction is hard for the jurisdictions to
37:37
Speaker 1: coordinate an effort to catch him. Richard Scott Smith, the
37:42
Speaker 1: subject of a brand new DOCA series. It's not just fiction,
37:48
Speaker 1: it's real. You don't believe me, Ask Lisa Nancy Grace
37:53
Speaker 1: Crime Story, signing off Goodbye friend,