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Murder In Moscow: Did Bryan Kohberger Stalk Any Of His Victims Prior To The Murders? · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. In
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  Speaker 1: the morning update, we were talking a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: a source who was talking about the investigation into Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger and the surveillance that was put on him by
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  Speaker 1: the local police in Pennsylvania and the FBI. And the
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  Speaker 1: Daily Mail has a pretty long article talking about this.
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  Speaker 1: But for our purposes, we're only going to use the
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  Speaker 1: first few paragraphs of this article. The rest of the
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  Speaker 1: article goes into some of the stuff we've already talked about,
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  Speaker 1: some of the friends who have spoken up about Brian Kohlberger,
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  Speaker 1: about some of his behaviors. And I plan on doing
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  Speaker 1: an episode where we compile all of that so we
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  Speaker 1: have more of a profile of who Brian Kohlberger is.
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  Speaker 1: And I plan on doing that tomorrow. But before we
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  Speaker 1: get there, let's talk about this source and let's hear
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about this investigation and how all of
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  Speaker 1: this came about. Today we have an article from the
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  Speaker 1: Daily Mail and the headline, Idaho suspect stalked victims for
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  Speaker 1: weeks and wore gloves after quadruple murder to avoid leaving
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  Speaker 1: trail of evidence, claims friend of investigator. He's not stupid
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  Speaker 1: and he's been very careful. So that fits with the
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  Speaker 1: profile of who he is, being a criminologist and all
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  Speaker 1: of that. Now, the other question I have is, did
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  Speaker 1: he have like a Tyvek suit when he committed these murders?
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  Speaker 1: That's going to be very interesting stuff because what happened
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  Speaker 1: to his clothes that he was wearing when he killed
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  Speaker 1: these four college kids? Obviously, it's going to cause a
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  Speaker 1: lot of blood. The scene was gruesome. And according to investigators,
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  Speaker 1: there was blood everywhere. So one would think that Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger here would be covered in blood after committing these murders.
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  Speaker 2: Now, if he was.
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  Speaker 1: Wearing like a Tyvek suit or prepared before coming in,
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  Speaker 1: like it seems he did, then chances are he had
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  Speaker 1: on protective clothing that he could just ditch or burn
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  Speaker 1: after these murders. Again, just speculation on my part. We
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen anything like that or heard anything like that
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  Speaker 1: from the investigators. But using logic and Occam's razor... One
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  Speaker 1: would think that somebody who's a criminology student would understand
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  Speaker 1: that blood splatter is not a good thing. And if
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  Speaker 1: he was wearing gloves after the fact to try and
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  Speaker 1: hide his DNA, my guess is he's trying to do
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  Speaker 1: that during these murders as well. This article was authored
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  Speaker 1: by Paul Farrell. The man accused of horrific slayings of
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  Speaker 1: four University of Idaho students was allegedly stalking them in
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  Speaker 1: the weeks leading up to the murders and wore gloves
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  Speaker 1: in public places after the killings. Now, this is interesting
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  Speaker 1: because we've heard about the stalker. We've heard that Kaylee
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  Speaker 1: said she had a stalker. And we heard from the
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  Speaker 1: vape shop owner who said that they all talked about
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  Speaker 1: the fact that there was a creeper following Kaylee around.
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  Speaker 1: So was this a guy they were talking about? And
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  Speaker 1: it would make sense. I know he was nabbed in Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 1: but remember, he was living in Pullman. And Pullman is very,
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  Speaker 1: very close to Moscow. We're talking like eight miles. So
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  Speaker 1: this man could have easily stalked them throughout the day
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  Speaker 1: and then returned to his house that night.
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  Speaker 2: Or vice versa, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But it wouldn't be hard for him to get a
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  Speaker 1: layout of this house and sit on it and case
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  Speaker 1: it and try and figure out who's coming and going.
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  Speaker 1: and when the best time to strike would be. And
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  Speaker 1: as we're learning more about this and how it went down,
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty chilling to think that this dude was casing
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  Speaker 1: the house and stalking these girls for weeks before these
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  Speaker 1: murders happened. Brian Koberger, 28, was fastidious about not leaving
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  Speaker 1: his fingerprints behind after the murders, even wearing gloves when
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  Speaker 1: he entered the grocery store, according to a friend of
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  Speaker 1: one of the police officers assigned to follow him there.
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  Speaker 1: He's not stupid and he's been very careful, an anonymous
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  Speaker 1: source said. While Koberger was under surveillance in Pennsylvania, according
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  Speaker 1: to the source, police witnessed him appearing to try and
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  Speaker 1: avoid leaving any more DNA or fingerprints behind by taking
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  Speaker 1: protective measures in public. And you'll see a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people do this. And for investigators, it's a game of
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  Speaker 1: cat and mouse. They'll wait until you go to a restaurant,
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  Speaker 1: use a cup, They'll slide in, they'll take that cup
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  Speaker 1: and run it for DNA. And if you're the criminal, remember,
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  Speaker 1: you have to be right 100% of the time here
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  Speaker 1: with the DNA and you can't slip up at all.
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  Speaker 1: For the investigators, they only need them to slip up
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  Speaker 1: one time to get that DNA, whether that's going through
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  Speaker 1: his trash, whether that's getting a cup, following him around,
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  Speaker 1: a piece of gummy threw out on the ground, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to get that DNA eventually because the federal government,
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  Speaker 1: especially the FBI, Well, they're not going to rest until
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  Speaker 1: they do that. Again, this is what the FBI excels in, folks.
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  Speaker 1: We can criticize the FBI until the cows come home.
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  Speaker 1: And believe me, I have plenty of criticisms for them.
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  Speaker 1: But when it comes to stuff like this, staking people out, surveillance,
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  Speaker 1: intelligence work, oh, they know what they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Believe me.
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  Speaker 1: And from these reports, they were on their game here
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  Speaker 1: following around Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Koberger.
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  Speaker 1: A good friend of ours was one of the cops
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  Speaker 1: who has been following him the last couple of days.
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  Speaker 1: The source explained of their connection to the surveillance on
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  Speaker 1: Koberger in Pennsylvania. And here is what the anonymous source
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  Speaker 1: had to say about that surveillance of Brian Koberger. Anonymous source.
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  Speaker 1: He was arrested only 40 minutes from our home near
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  Speaker 1: our aunt and uncles. He went to school with my cousins.
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  Speaker 1: His sister lives in our town. A good friend of
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  Speaker 1: ours was one of the cops who has been following
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  Speaker 1: him the last couple of days. He coaches with my
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  Speaker 1: husband and he was telling him all the crazy details.
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  Speaker 1: He followed him into a giant local grocery store and
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  Speaker 1: wore gloves the entire time. So again, look, this guy
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  Speaker 1: was trying to hide his tracks. He didn't want anyone
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  Speaker 1: to have that DNA. He certainly didn't want the investigators
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  Speaker 1: to have that DNA. And he's smart enough to know
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  Speaker 1: that eventually the jig is going to be up. So
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  Speaker 1: if you can try and fortify yourself, if you're a perpetrator,
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  Speaker 1: by not leaving DNA or any evidence, at the very least,
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  Speaker 1: when you get to trial, you can try and defend yourself, right? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't me. Do you have any evidence? This is
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  Speaker 1: all circumstantial. But if there's DNA evidence that pins you
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  Speaker 1: to it, and you have no business having your DNA
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  Speaker 1: on their bodies or in their.
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  Speaker 2: House, you're done. It's a wrap. He's not stupid, and
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  Speaker 2: he's been very careful. Also.
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  Speaker 1: He's been stalking them for weeks. Not sure if they
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  Speaker 1: ever interacted, but his cell phone pings followed their every
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  Speaker 1: move for weeks. And this is something that certainly tracks
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  Speaker 1: with me. And I can't get it out of my
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  Speaker 1: mind that it still has something to do with the
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  Speaker 1: mad Greek. We had two of the girls working there
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  Speaker 1: and Lord knows who came into.
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  Speaker 2: This place to eat.
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  Speaker 1: This guy being eight miles away, maybe he likes Greek food.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe this was a restaurant that he frequented all the time.
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  Speaker 1: And he saw the girls working, followed them home, and
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  Speaker 1: then everything else unfolded after that. Again, just my speculation.
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  Speaker 1: But if he's been following them for weeks, then where
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  Speaker 1: did he have the contact initially where he picked them
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  Speaker 1: up on his radar and was like, all right, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to start stalking these girls. Could it have been
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  Speaker 1: social media?
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  Speaker 2: Possibly.
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  Speaker 1: We know that the girls had a heavy social media footprint.
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  Speaker 1: So that's certainly a possibility as well. But I have
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  Speaker 1: a funny feeling that when all is said and done,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to hear a little bit more about how
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  Speaker 1: he even found them and how they came on his radar.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's going to have to do with
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  Speaker 1: something like interaction at a restaurant or maybe saw them
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  Speaker 1: at the bar, something like that. But as far as
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  Speaker 1: them having like personal interaction, like one-on-one interaction.
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  Speaker 2: I highly doubt that they ever had that.
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  Speaker 1: He just doesn't seem like the kind of guy that
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  Speaker 1: would be welcome to come and hang out at these parties.
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  Speaker 2: 28 years old, creepy, weird.
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  Speaker 1: Highly doubt that any of these girls are going to
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  Speaker 1: be hanging out with this dude, you know, on a
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  Speaker 1: Saturday night. Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Brian Koberger, Mr. Weird guy.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you come down and hang out with us?
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  Speaker 1: And when we hear about the way he talked about girls,
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  Speaker 1: the stalking of the girls at the brewery, basically. It
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  Speaker 1: all makes sense, and it's all starting to come together. However,
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  Speaker 1: we do have to keep in mind that this is
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  Speaker 1: all alleged. Until this man is convicted, until he has
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  Speaker 1: his trial, we have to keep in mind that he
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  Speaker 1: is innocent under the law.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not looking good for him. Not at all.
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  Speaker 1: When you have all of this evidence laid out before us,
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  Speaker 1: and this is just what we see. Can you imagine
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  Speaker 1: what the investigators have behind the scenes as far as
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  Speaker 1: a profile built, evidence compiled? and a trajectory of the investigation?
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  Speaker 1: My guess is they're going to come down on old
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  Speaker 1: boy like a ton of bricks. The source said Koberger
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  Speaker 1: was arrested just 40 minutes from where they live and
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  Speaker 1: his sister lives in their town. The source has even
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  Speaker 1: more overlap with Koberger, whose family lives in a small
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  Speaker 1: town in the Pocono Mountains. According to them, he also
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  Speaker 1: allegedly went to school with their cousins and lives near
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  Speaker 1: their aunts and uncles. The proximity to the quadruple murderer
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  Speaker 1: has shaken them and the community. Can you imagine what
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  Speaker 1: Moscow feels like? You think the Pogonos, they're shook? Imagine
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  Speaker 1: what it's like in Moscow, knowing that this happened in
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  Speaker 1: your town where there hadn't been a murder since 2015.
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  Speaker 1: And then this madman runs around and murders people in
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  Speaker 1: their beds. Talk about having a community that is on edge.
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  Speaker 1: So freaking scary and disturbing, they wrote. I've been so
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  Speaker 1: invested in this case for the last six weeks. and
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  Speaker 1: to find out how close he is to us and
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  Speaker 1: that one of our friends found him and arrested him
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  Speaker 1: is just crazy. After the murders, He first returned to
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  Speaker 1: teaching at the University of Washington, but later drove 2,000
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  Speaker 1: miles from Idaho to Pennsylvania in order to hide out
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  Speaker 1: at his parents' Poconos home. And we're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more about that, how he went back
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  Speaker 1: to school and he was doing his duties as a teacher.
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  Speaker 1: And not only that, but they were discussing these stabbings
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  Speaker 1: in class and he was sitting there dead pan-faced about it.
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  Speaker 1: So we're talking about somebody who clearly has no conscience
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  Speaker 1: and and clearly has no remorse for what they have
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  Speaker 1: allegedly done. But I thought it was pretty interesting that
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  Speaker 1: this source had this bit of information, and I think
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  Speaker 1: it gives us a little bit of insight into how
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  Speaker 1: this surveillance and then the eventual arrest all went down.
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  Speaker 1: And for me, at least, all of the context that
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna get after the arrest is super important to
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  Speaker 1: help us paint a real picture of what this really
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  Speaker 1: looks like. And I'm sure as this moves forward, and
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  Speaker 1: we start to see things get unsealed and we get
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  Speaker 1: more information, we'll start to get a more robust view
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  Speaker 1: of how all of this came to be.
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  Speaker 2: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this episode.
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