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Jorge Avila-Torrez - Solved Cold Case - Part 1 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: We all love to hear. When a cold case finally
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  Speaker 1: gets solved, it not only brings closure to the family
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  Speaker 1: and friends of victims, but it also ensures that violent
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  Speaker 1: criminals pay for their crimes and are no longer free
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  Speaker 1: to commit Once again. With today's case, we get to
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  Speaker 1: experience a cold case being solved, and what exactly happened
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  Speaker 1: and how it gets solved is nothing short of jaw dropping.
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  Speaker 1: This is the case of Jorge Aliva Torres. My name's Ben, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Nicole and you're listening to Wicked and Grim true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 1: The following podcast material intended for a mature audience. Listener
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  Speaker 1: discretion is advised. Okay, so fall is officially in full swing.
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  Speaker 1: We're not fall yet, but the fall is here, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so I have Oh yeah, I get it.
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  Speaker 1: Who has been working on Halloween costumes? Who has had
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  Speaker 1: their first pumpkin spice latte? I gotta know, like, what's happening?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, the pumpkin spice craze.
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  Speaker 1: Hey yeah, the pumpkin spice craze.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'll admit I'm pretty basic, but that is
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  Speaker 2: like one thing that I don't do. I'm not like
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  Speaker 2: into the pumpkin spice.
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  Speaker 1: Have you had a pumpkin spice latte?
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  Speaker 2: I think so? But I don't really drink coffee, right,
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  Speaker 2: so I didn't really like it.
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  Speaker 1: Well you can't. Can you not get like a pumpkin
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  Speaker 1: spice chai tea latte or something?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe? But I don't know. I'm fine not being super
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  Speaker 2: into it.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough. I mean I like pumpkin spice
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  Speaker 1: because it's basically just the same spice and seasonings that
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  Speaker 1: go on a pumpkin pie, and I fucking love them.
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  Speaker 2: Well pumpkin pie with a whole bunch of whipped cream. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: but dude, you haven't ordered our costumes? No, not yet,
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  Speaker 2: Holy heck, because yeah we have like our annual photo shoot.
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  Speaker 1: We do? We do?
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Amazon right now and live while
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  Speaker 1: we're recording this, and I am not editing this out.
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  Speaker 1: I am.
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  Speaker 2: Are you going to say what it is you're looking for?
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  Speaker 1: Should I?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: No? Because I think I was. I think was it
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  Speaker 2: last episode? I don't even know I told you about
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  Speaker 2: that cool Halloween candle thing. Oh yeah, And then people
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  Speaker 2: are like, don't tell him, don't tell him? Or was
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  Speaker 2: that in our live might have been our live. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I can't remember. Everything's a blur.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well we're not telling you, but I definitely see
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  Speaker 1: pieces for what I can order. Okay, yeah, we can
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  Speaker 1: get it like in a couple of days. Easy, peasy, lemon,
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  Speaker 1: freaking squeezy.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, good, this is good. I'm actually kind of excited
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  Speaker 2: for this photo shoot.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good one.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be a good one.
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  Speaker 1: It's not as all out as we went last year
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  Speaker 1: with the zombie shoot, that one where Nicole bashed my
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  Speaker 1: head in, but it's it's gonna be fun. It's yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's good.
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  Speaker 2: That was voted on.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, it was voted on, and well, they voted whether
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  Speaker 1: I kill you or you kill me?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm not an evil person. Or maybe they
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  Speaker 2: voted that I was an evil person. I think it
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  Speaker 2: would make more it'd be more fitting. It was that way.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of what the vote was was, which makes
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  Speaker 1: more sense.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, never mind, take it back.
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  Speaker 1: So you are the evil person, I'm the evil person.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was a Patreon vote, wasn't it that
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  Speaker 1: we went to?
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and speaking of patrons, don't we have some
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  Speaker 2: to think we do.
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  Speaker 1: What a great segue. So people that signed up for
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  Speaker 1: Patreon get that behind the scenes access. They get the
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  Speaker 1: exclusive episode library where we come up with an extra
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  Speaker 1: episode at the end of each month. So thank you
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  Speaker 1: to Martha Hatfield, JD the media. Thank you JD specifically,
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  Speaker 1: he's a local friend of ours. Nicole Baptiste, you guys
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  Speaker 1: are amazing. You signed up, you get all that. And
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  Speaker 1: also I do have to say today's case is also
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  Speaker 1: a Patreon recommended case, Okay, and Nicole actually recommended this
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  Speaker 1: one as well, So Nicole Baptiste, you are the one
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  Speaker 1: who recommended this case. And I went and did some
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  Speaker 1: research right away and here we are. Cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And like right before this, we just recorded
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  Speaker 2: a fifteen minute pre show and you know, dropped some
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  Speaker 2: life events.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, they get it where it's at it is.
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  Speaker 1: They get all that behind the scenes goodness for sure. Honestly,
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  Speaker 1: I've been thinking for a while of creating like a
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  Speaker 1: VIP Patreon thing where maybe it's like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: sticker club or something we send up monthly stickers or
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  Speaker 1: I don't like, don't I don't know, maybe we should
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  Speaker 1: talk to Patreon, see what you think of that.
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  Speaker 2: Something that's kind of VIP. It would be cool. It
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  Speaker 2: would be monthly mail. Gosh, it's like a penpal kind
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  Speaker 2: of Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It could be like we could write like mystery like
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  Speaker 1: true crime things that we just make up, of course,
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  Speaker 1: but it could be like a mystery letter where it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I've been We can have these fake penpals
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  Speaker 1: where he's confessing a murder for like over the course
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  Speaker 1: of an entire year or something like that, and then
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  Speaker 1: finally on that last letter, Oh my god, that's when
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  Speaker 1: you get it's like solved and you figure it out
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  Speaker 1: and you know, or something like that. I think something
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  Speaker 1: like that would be cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that is cool, but it's also like, ah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to know right now, and you have
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  Speaker 2: to you go through the process of a whole year.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, sometimes good things are worth the way,
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  Speaker 2: right Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe we'll go over to Patreon here in a
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  Speaker 1: little while and uh and see what they have to say.
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  Speaker 1: But for now, I think we got to jump into this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So today we are heading to Arlington, Virginia in
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  Speaker 1: twenty ten, So in the late hours of February fourth,
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  Speaker 1: transitioning into the early mornings of February fifth, Corporal T. L. Clifford,
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  Speaker 1: seasoned officer with the Arlington Police Department, noticed something a
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  Speaker 1: little bit peculiar in the area. See for eight years,
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  Speaker 1: he had been patrolling an area known as the quote
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  Speaker 1: Valley Beat, becoming familiar with, you know, the usual activities,
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  Speaker 1: the regular people, the normal things that happened, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: the good, the bad, the ugly, right, okay, so he
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  Speaker 1: he could spot pretty much any unusual behavior in an
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  Speaker 1: instant and that night something definitely caught his attention. It
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  Speaker 1: was a silver dodged Durango as it was creepy, started
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  Speaker 1: creeping and slowly going along Sherlington Road. It was behaving
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  Speaker 1: in a way that seemed out of place. Though the
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  Speaker 1: Durraguo eventually left the area, it wasn't long before the
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  Speaker 1: vehicle once again reappeared, raising further questions in the officer's mind.
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  Speaker 1: He's sitting here thinking, what are they doing? Who is
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  Speaker 1: this person? Something?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't it doesn't quite seem right. So this time though,
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  Speaker 1: the Durango was moving slowly near a place dubbed four
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  Speaker 1: Mile Run, which is a popular route for cyclists and joggers.
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  Speaker 1: Hence you know four mile run.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So, Officer Clifford watched as the suv parked between
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  Speaker 1: two trucks by a bike path. The driver switched off
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  Speaker 1: the headlights and sat idling for about fifteen minutes. Even
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  Speaker 1: though the headlights were off, the vehicle was idling and
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  Speaker 1: still on. Then after about fifteen minutes or so, turned
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  Speaker 1: the headlights back on and took off. Huh, Officer Clifford
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  Speaker 1: knew something wasn't right. As I said before, he can
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  Speaker 1: kind of see if something's out of the ordinary, almost
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  Speaker 1: in an instant, and this was out of the ordinary. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the driver hadn't exactly committed any visible offense, or he's
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  Speaker 1: not doing any sort of crime just by driving and parking, right,
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  Speaker 1: but the situation was odd enough that he ran the
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  Speaker 1: license plate just in case the search came back clean.
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  Speaker 1: There were no warrants, no red flags attached to the
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  Speaker 1: vehicle at all, still, just in case. He jotted the
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  Speaker 1: license plate number down in the event that he might
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  Speaker 1: ever need it.
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  Speaker 2: I like how observant he's being.
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  Speaker 1: This is good, right, He's doing his due diligence, that's
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  Speaker 1: for sure. Totally so little did did he know, though,
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  Speaker 1: that this small detail would later help lead to the
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  Speaker 1: capture of a dangerous serial rapist and murderer. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and the man that was behind this durango uh huh
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  Speaker 1: was most likely scouting for his next victim.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: So the following day, on February fifth into the sixth.
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  Speaker 1: So it's the same kind of like transition from day
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  Speaker 1: to night to day. Right, the durango yet made another.
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  Speaker 2: Appearance sack Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The city was especially quiet due to a massive snowstorm
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  Speaker 1: that had nearly paralyzed the entire city and area. Things
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  Speaker 1: were shut down, businesses weren't running, people couldn't really drive
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  Speaker 1: to work or anywhere around. Right, So Officer Clifford saw
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  Speaker 1: the vehicle again and continued to keep an eye on it.
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  Speaker 1: This time, it parked in a dimly lit spot near
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  Speaker 1: some local bars. Its headlights once again were switched off,
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  Speaker 1: and it sat idling before driving away. Eventually, after a
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  Speaker 1: few minutes, trusting his gut, Officer Clifford contacted a fellow officer,
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Nascelli, who is nearby, and he asked him to
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  Speaker 1: keep an eye out for this suspicious durangle that was
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  Speaker 1: headed in his direction. Officer Necelli agreed. However, their surveillance
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  Speaker 1: was quickly cut short when they were called to respond
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  Speaker 1: to a nearby traffic incident instead, So while dealing with
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  Speaker 1: the incident, fate would intervene. The durango passed them by,
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  Speaker 1: windows rolled down as it drive by them. For the
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  Speaker 1: first time, Officer Clifford got a very clear look at
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  Speaker 1: the driver. It was a clean shaven young man wearing
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  Speaker 1: a black wool cap. Done dun dum.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I was like waiting for some reason. I
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  Speaker 2: was thinking that someone, a victim was going to be
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  Speaker 2: in there or something.
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  Speaker 1: Nope, okay, no, there's nothing suspicious other than.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, he got a clear look at at him.
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  Speaker 1: Now yeah, okay, yeah, there's nothing actually suspicious about this
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  Speaker 1: individual outright to the officers, it was just something's not
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  Speaker 1: sitting right with them.
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  Speaker 2: You gotta trust those gout feelings sometimes you do. Sure.
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  Speaker 2: I think, I don't know. I try. I don't trust
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  Speaker 2: mine very oft well.
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  Speaker 3: I do.
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  Speaker 2: I try hard to make sure I do, because lots
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  Speaker 2: of times you're just like no, it's like it's fine,
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  Speaker 2: it's fine, but you gotta kind of listen.
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  Speaker 1: I think sometimes it's saying something to you for it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so now.
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  Speaker 1: In the early hours of February tenth, in twenty ten,
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  Speaker 1: a twenty five year old woman who will call Michelle,
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  Speaker 1: was walking with her boyfriend or walking to her boyfriend's
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  Speaker 1: house in Arlington, Virginia. Michelle had just finished her night
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  Speaker 1: shift as an r nurse. Now, due to another winter
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  Speaker 1: storm that had hit the area, she was released from
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  Speaker 1: work early. After taking the train to the Virginia Square station.
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  Speaker 1: She planned to catch a cab from there, but unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: because the storm, no taxis were available, which forced her
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  Speaker 1: to walk the remaining distance on foot. As she walked
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  Speaker 1: through the snowy streets, nearing the seventeen hundred block of
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  Speaker 1: Norwork Quincy Street, an unsettling presence lurked nearby, and suddenly
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  Speaker 1: a man emerged from the shadows, grabbing Michelle's jacket from behind. Startled,
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  Speaker 1: she turned to confront him, but before she could react,
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  Speaker 1: he pressed a gun to her side, ordering her to
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  Speaker 1: stay silent and keep moving. The man began to push
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  Speaker 1: Michelle towards his sue, attempting to force her inside, but
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  Speaker 1: Michelle refused, and when she resisted, the attacker pulled out
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  Speaker 1: a knife to further threaten her life, most likely so
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  Speaker 1: he could threaten her and not make any noise with
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  Speaker 1: a gun shot right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, who knows even if that gun was real, right?
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  Speaker 2: I feel like sometimes they criminals use like a fake gun. Yeah, potentially,
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  Speaker 2: couldn't know for sure it was real in this setting, yeap.
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  Speaker 1: So in a desperate attempt to escape, Michelle fought back,
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  Speaker 1: struggling fiercely before breaking free, dropping her purse, and she
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  Speaker 1: sprinted through the snow, adrenaline fueling her as she raced
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  Speaker 1: to her boyfriend's house. When she arrived, she immediately called police.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, she got away. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Though shaken Shell was able to give the authorities a
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  Speaker 1: clear description of her attacker's face. However, when it came
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  Speaker 1: to the vehicle, her recollection was less certain. She thought
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  Speaker 1: it might have been a light colored suv, possibly tan,
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  Speaker 1: but wasn't entirely sure. The incident was quickly broadcast over
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  Speaker 1: police radios, catching the attention of Officer Clifford, who was
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  Speaker 1: parked in his squad car at the time. As he
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  Speaker 1: listened to the details, something clicked. He couldn't shake the
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  Speaker 1: suspicion that this attack could be linked to the silver Durango,
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  Speaker 1: an suv that he had observed behaving suspiciously just a
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  Speaker 1: few days earlier. When he voiced his thoughts to another officer,
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  Speaker 1: though his concerns were dismissed and the connection wasn't pursued.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, because a Dodge dra Ango is an suv.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, okay.
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  Speaker 2: For some reason, I was thinking it was a truck.
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  Speaker 2: But okay, so that's why right away I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is a different person, but it might not be.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's a here, this is what it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is a twenty twenty five because that's what pops
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  Speaker 1: up when you google it right away, the most recent.
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  Speaker 2: But that's okay, okay, and go yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, he saw this silver colored suv, wrote the
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  Speaker 1: license plate down, and now a woman a couple days
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  Speaker 1: later is being trying to be forced into a light
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  Speaker 1: colored suv. So despite Officer Clifford's got feeling, nothing was
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  Speaker 1: pushed forward, and unbeknownst to of course him or Michelle,
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  Speaker 1: yeah this would things would tie into a much larger
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  Speaker 1: and more horrifying pattern of crime unfolding in the area.
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  Speaker 1: Because two weeks later, on Saturday, February twenty seventh, twenty
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  Speaker 1: ten two more women would face a terrifying attack at
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  Speaker 1: the hands of a man driving a light colored suv.
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  Speaker 1: At around two am, a woman who I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: call Helen was walking to her house near North Wakefield
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  Speaker 1: Street when a man approached her. He approached her from behind,
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  Speaker 1: and he told her he had a gun and ordered
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  Speaker 1: her to get into his suv. Like Michelle before her,
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  Speaker 1: Helen refused. A struggle broke out. The attacker pulled out
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  Speaker 1: a taser, pressing it against her neck. Now, miraculously, the
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  Speaker 1: taser failed to fire, giving Helen a chance to break
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  Speaker 1: free and run. She managed to call nine to one,
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  Speaker 1: but once again, just like Michelle's case, the man disappeared
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  Speaker 1: before authorities could arrive. Just two hours after that, two
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  Speaker 1: hours later, on the same street, another attack occurred. At
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  Speaker 1: four a m. Two twenty three year old grad students
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  Speaker 1: who I'm going to call Diane and Sammy were walking
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  Speaker 1: home from a night out with friends. As they approached
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  Speaker 1: Diane's house on North Wakefield Street, Pawed the two women
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  Speaker 1: paused outside while Diane searched her purse for keys. Suddenly,
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  Speaker 1: a man stepped out from behind a parked car and
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  Speaker 1: brandished a gun, acting quickly he forced both the women
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  Speaker 1: inside Diane's home. Oh my goshh this time he didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to leave opportunity for someone to break free and run.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, well, I mean, yeah, he's had a lot well
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  Speaker 2: that we know of a lot of misses, but I
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  Speaker 2: mean there could be times in between that.
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  Speaker 1: There could definitely be other cases or other things. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you know, this just reminded me too. I remember
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  Speaker 2: my sister saying, because like I don't know, as a woman,
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  Speaker 2: like you have to be kind of like observant to
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  Speaker 2: a degree. And I'm sure men do too, but more
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  Speaker 2: so women because a lot of women they'll like say
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  Speaker 2: that they're grocery shopping or they're doing something, and then
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  Speaker 2: afterwards they like sit in their car or like just
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  Speaker 2: to get their their bearings or like see what's on
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  Speaker 2: their list to do next or whatever. And she was like,
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  Speaker 2: always lock your door when you're doing that, and like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this like she's just like digging in her purse, right,
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  Speaker 2: and like, yeah, for one second, probably not totally aware
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  Speaker 2: of her surroundings.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, now I understand I may not be as
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  Speaker 1: vulnerable or a target quite as like you might be
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  Speaker 1: in that situation, but still saying I always lock my doors.
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  Speaker 1: If I am sitting in a parking lot, locked right.
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  Speaker 2: Away, I know why not? Really?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I mean, all it takes is for someone
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  Speaker 1: to decide you were target for one reason or another.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it is because you know you are a woman,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe it's because hey, maybe they saw me at
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  Speaker 1: the cash register in the grocery store and saw I
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  Speaker 1: had a twenty in my wallet. Like you know, who
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  Speaker 1: knows the reasoning you should always lock your doors?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I always find I'm most nervous, say if we're
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  Speaker 2: at the grocery store together and say I'm in the
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  Speaker 2: car while it's running and you're running it in and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like in the fastener seat. Yeah, That's when I'm
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  Speaker 2: always like, Okay, this door needs to be locked, because
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  Speaker 2: some would easily just like pulp in the driver's seat
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  Speaker 2: and like take off.
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  Speaker 1: For a one hundred percent. So well, and I even
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  Speaker 1: have a That's one of the reasons why I carry
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  Speaker 1: a pocket knife with me is because you know, if
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  Speaker 1: we're in an instant, I have something to help defend
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  Speaker 1: you or me or whatever. And there's many times where
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  Speaker 1: you know, like we're walking by someone that seems a
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: little shady. I usually try and put myself between them
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: and you, and I have my hand in my pocket,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: but it's ready for an elbow to throw up if
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: I need. Like, there's these things that cross my mind
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: in many scenarios. Yeah, but I do agree. Many times
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: it is women who are more susceptible, which is very unfortunate.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: But we digress back to the case. So, once they
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: are pushed inside, he asked Diane if anyone else was
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: in the home, though she had a roommate sleeping upstairs.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Diane lied.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: She told him no, Okay, that's good.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the man then ordered both women to kneel
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: in the living room and he tied their hands together
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: using a vacuum cleaner cord. After binding them, the man
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: left the room. Diane Sammy immediately began working to loosen
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: the restraints and they were nearly free when the attacker returned.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Enraged at their attempt, he retied their hands using a
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: an iron like an iron cord. This time he's also
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: using an iron cord.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like that would hold very well, but I.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Don't think it would. I don't think it would, but yeah,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: he retied their hands, and at knife point, forced both
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: women into a bedroom using a knife that he grabbed,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: most likely from the kitchen. The women complied, but as
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: soon as the man left the room again, they sprang
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: into action. Diane threw herself against the door, slamming it
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: shut behind the man. Sammy, still holding her phone in
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: her pocket, quickly.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Dialed nine okay one, yes.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Now I'm not too sure if the I don't think
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: the phone could fully connect. I'm not certain exactly, but
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: the attacker burst back into the room and smashed the
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: phone against the wall. He then grabbed Sammy, dragging her
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: out of the house and down the street, and forced
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: her into the suv and sped away.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile inside the house, Diane began screaming and making as
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: much noise as possible, banging the vacuum cleaner, which was
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: binding her wrists. Yeah around to wake up her roommate upstairs,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: who rushed down and together they immediately called nine one
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: one from there. Okay, so I'm not sure if the
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: nine one one call on the cell phone went through
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: or not, but regardless, it was like a minute later
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: they're dialing nine one one again.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Like this guy kind of realized he couldn't take both
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: of them on. Yes, kind of thing, it seems, yeah.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Now, kesh. Sorry. Diane told authorities that the assailant was
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: so young he could have passed for a high schooler.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Really yeah, huh.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Also bald, clean shaven.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, I can remember how the officer described clean shaven,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: clean shaven.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: So.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the man drove Sammy away from the scene, forcing
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: her to lie low in the back of the seat,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: pushing her head down of trying to avoid drawing any
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: sort of attention, and once he reached the remote location,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: he parked the car and climbed into the back seat
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: with her, where he subjected her to a horrifying assault.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Oh gosh no.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: He first forced her to perform oral sex and then
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: put a put on a condom, saying quote, I'm not stupid,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: before raping her.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, you are, your stupid piece of shit. Actually yeah, actually,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: actually he is. Yeah, yeah, he's totally wrong.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Rare yep. The assault continued, and when it was over,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: the man wrapped her head and mouth with packing tape
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: and placed her on the floor in the back seat.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: He then drove toward Prince William County Virginia, stopping in
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: a secluded area near the highway. There he assaulted her
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: once again, and when he was finished, he took the
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: scarf that she had been wearing, wrapped it around her
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: neck and began tightening it. She was terrified and cried
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: out what are you doing, to which the man replied,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: what do you think I'm doing?
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, please tell me she lives.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: He continued to tighten the scarf until Sammy went limp,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: and then he disposed of her in the woods and
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: drove away.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Did she die?
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Hours later, at eight am, Thomas and Lynn Love were
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: driving near Prince William Forest Park along the Alps Road,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: same area where Sammy was dumped, when they spotted something
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: unusual in the snow. A young woman crawling through the snow. Okay,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: badly injured, but alive. It was Sammy.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Wow, Wow, Sammy, that's incredible.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: She managed to tell police that her attacker had been
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: driving a silver SUV just like the other assaults. Her
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: survivor or her survival would soon play a very crucial
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: role in identifying the man responsible for the string of
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: brutal attacks.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: What a complete piece of garbage, She just like did
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: what he wanted and just like disposed of her like
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: she was nothing.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just just pieced out.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that is just so disgusting that.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, So.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Officered Clifford once again heard the call, and he knew
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: this time it must be related to the durangle that
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: he had seen before. They ran the plate number that
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: he had written down, because remember he wrote it down
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and it was registered to a young man by the
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: name of Jorge Leva torri Is. Now I'm going to
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: refer to him as George from here on out because
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: it's I'm not a Spanish speaking and Joe is not
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: my instinct to how to pronounce it. So I'm just
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: going to go George, and many other people do just
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: say George's for the easy, you know, translation sort of thing.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Fair enough, So his name is Jorge, but I am
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: going to be saying George from here.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Uh, they believe that one of the survivors from the attack,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: so they brought not believe they brought one of the
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: survivors from the attacks into the station. Now, what they
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: did from here is they showed her a picture lineup
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: of several different individuals who could potentially be a suspect. Right,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I want to see if she could identify.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: George George within there, Yeah, okay, she was.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Able to identify without a doubt that he was the
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: one who attacked them.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: So he's like not even going about like covering his
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: face or anything. No, Oh my gosh, And I'm not stupid.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: You are a stupid piece of shit.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Holy shit, Like.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: You're just out in them. You are stupid.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, he's much more than a stupid piece of shit,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: but like, oh, what an idiot?
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah no, I'm I'm not a fan of George.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, none of us are here.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: No. So, after he was identified from the picture lineup,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: immediately a warrant for his arrest was sent out. So
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: there was helicopters circling the neighborhood. There was like canine units.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: There was they were knocking on doors, questioning neighbors, all
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: this sort of stuff. They were they were going through,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: They were trying to find them. They were doing what
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: they needed to do to bring George in. Now a
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: little bit of background on George. So George Aliyah, sorry
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Jorge for the reference of this one, but I will say, George,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I'm here now. So Jorge Aliva Torres was born on
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: August eighteenth, nineteen eighty eight, and he was raised in Zion, Illinois.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: No according to the reports, the reports in the Washington
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Sorry the Washingtonian, Washingtonian, I think it's how you say it.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: But anyways, according to the reports in that Georgie, his
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: parents were immigrants from Mexico. His father worked in a
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: cardboard factory while his mother was a homemaker. Now George
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: grew up in Sorry with one sister, Sarah, and the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: two shared a particularly close bond. Throughout high school, George
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: frequently skipped classes and often found himself in minor trouble. However,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, he faced more serious consequences
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: when he was caught with marijuana, leading to his expulsion
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: from school. Now, most of the time he did didn't
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: get into much trouble. He wasn't really much of a
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: smoker or drinker like many of the older kids, and
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: it led to like some of his friends' parents actually
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: liking him quite a bit. But he was quite he
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: was quite an outcast, and he was apparently really into
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: like mountain biking. I don't know if it was like
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: mountain biking on trails, but he had a mountain bike.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: They'd definitely be riding around the neighborhood and stuff. And
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: he had a collection of throwing stars that he really
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: liked as well, and he was not reportedly very good
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: with the ladies.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, throwing stars, what do you do with that?
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You throw them?
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Are they like sharp? Or are they going into you?
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Throw the mentature kind of thing?
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Or yeah, ninja throwing someone.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's what I was thinking, but I wasn't certain
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: that's exactly.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: What they were. Okay, yeah, But despite his setback of
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: smoking marijuana, George managed to graduate from the Zion Benton
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Township High School in two thousand and six. After graduation,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: George wasted no time and immediately enlisted in the Marine Corps.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Course Marine Corps, I'm bad, there you go. By April
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, he was stationed at Joint Base
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Meyer Henderson Hall in Arlington, Virginia, where he performed administrative duties.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Now he resided on base in Keith Hall, a facility
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: that how is the mix of personnel including male and
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: female Marine sailors and a few airmen as well. Friends
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: described George as dependable. He was an individual who had
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: a passion for cars, trucks, video games, his bikes, you know,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: his ninja throwing stars. He was also known as the
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: type marine who would go out of his way to
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: help others, even giving you, you know, the off his
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: back if need be.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, this description is actually making him seem like not
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: a terrible person. Yeah, I'm not enjoying this.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that's that's exactly the case. He seems
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: like he's not a terrible person. Yeah, he doesn't seem
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: like the type of individual who could actually commit these crimes. Right,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: So the question was was it George? Is it actually him?
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, right, I didn't even go there. As you're reading this,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I'm like, it is him.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Well that's kind of what officers were thinking. It's like, Okay,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: this doesn't really match up too well, but you know,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: it is his vehicle, that's what it's registered to. So
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go question him. We're gonna go see. So
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: officers approached George's vehicle in the parking lot outside of
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Keith's Hall, where he was stationed. They decided to take
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: a quick glance through the windows, and what they saw
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: was a little bit chilling, because in the back seat
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: they spotted an iron.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, which is what she was tied up in.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Which is exactly what the victim was described to be
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: tied up in. Right, So George was nowhere in sight,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: but his vehicle was there, so they chose not to
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: act immediately. Instead, they decided to wait and keep an
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: eye on the car. So they kind of scouted out
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the car and laid in wait, hoping that, you know what,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: they could apprehend him when he returned. It was less
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: than twelve hours after he left Sammy for dead that
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: George strolled casually towards his vehicle, completely unaware that he
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: was being monitored, and he was quickly taken into custody.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: During questioning, George didn't really behave like the stereotypical criminal.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: In fact, the officers described him as cordial and cooperative.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Throughout the two hour interview, George consistently maintained his innocence,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: acting as though he had no knowledge of the events.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Despite his calm demeanor, the interrogation led nowhere in terms
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: of confession. They had nothing.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I'm almost wondering if someone else is using his vehicle
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: at times or has access to his vehicle, is what
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, there was evidence that would be damning against
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: George that would tell a bit of a different story
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: than what he's telling. Inside his vehicle, police found several
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: critical items, the iron cord used to buying the victims,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: a stun gun used in one of the attacks, packing
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: tape that matched what was used to restrain one of
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: the women. Among personal effects recovered were Sammy's college ID
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: card and an earring that had fallen out in the
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: backseat during the attack. Additionally, blood found in the vehicle
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: would later confirm to belong to Sammy. The search for
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: George's room revealed he had more incriminating evidence, including a
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: ten millimeters semi automatic glock and ammunition. With the overwhelming
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: physical evidence against him, George's facade of innocence began to crumble.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: They also found a pair of Nike sneakers that investigators
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: believed George had worn during the attack on Michelle, Sammy,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: and Diane. Adding to the damning evidence. A shirt discover
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: in his possession had bloodstains that were later confirmed to
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: belong to Sammy. George's computer revealed even more disturbing details.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: It was a treasure trove of incriminating material containing a
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: deep unsettling history. Investigators uncovered dozens of save photos and
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: videos depicting violent sexual acts, with titles such as quote
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: all rape videos, best forced sex, forced sex scenes, rape collection,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: and sleep assault movies.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Holy shit, I mean, gosh, I guess like if I
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: mean the evidence is pointing to him, you can never
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: know someone could. There's many cases where people come across
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: just totally fine, but then they're actually like a secret monster.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Exactly Well, I mean, look at the classic case of
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the situation, Ted Bundy. How he was able to charm
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: and yeah, no I'm innocent and people loved him, but
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: he killed how many fucking people?
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: M hmm. There's a lot like that, like the Barbie
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: and Ken killers.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Exactly right. Yeah, so George had also previously visited a
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: website that provided instructions on how to make chloroform. Despite
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: his repeat claims of innocence, the evidence stacked up against
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: him was just overwhelming.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Dang.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Now, the final and most damning piece of evidence that
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: came but which really puts the idea of it being
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: someone else who was using his vehicle aside. Yeah, this
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: this collapses that it was a rape kit that was
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: conducted on Sammy DNA collected from her linked George directly
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: to the crime. Is your earlier statement when he's putting
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: on a condom quote, I'm not stupid. Yeah, no, he's
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: fucking stupid.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Oh gosh. Okay.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: With this conclusive evidence, George was charged with all three
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: attacks that occurred. In February twenty ten. He faced fourteen
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: total charges, including use of a firearm, abduction with intent
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: to defile, robbery, arm breaking and entering, rape, and forcible sodomy,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: according to the court records. While awaiting trial, George was
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: held at the Arlington County Detention Facility. How you doing
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: so far?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Fine? I just okay, I don't know. Right as you
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: were saying that, I had this thought that maybe he
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: doesn't survive in there. And then also I still have
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: this little weird feeling that it wasn't him, and I
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: don't know why. I don't know why.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: So it was him.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, it was him, it was him.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Kay, you can put that to sleep. That's what I
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: was saying. With the DNA link.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Lash, Okay, like it's one hundred and ten percent.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, they did DNA. They got his DNA from
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: a rape victim.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: No, he yeah, And this was like twenty ten, you said,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I think right, correct, So yeah, he and he was
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: born in eighty eight, so he was like twenty two,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: like very young?
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, holy shit?
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, oh man, Okay, I don't know why that shocks me.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: You always think young people maybe aren't monsters, but I.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Guess there are anyone could be a fucking monster. Yeah, honestly. Yeah.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: But we have flown through this case so far in
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: all honesty, so this might be a little bit of
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: a shorter episode today. But I do got to say
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: this to wrap this up here. With all this stuff
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: in mind, there is something that separates George's case from
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: many others, because what George had been charged with was
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: only the tip of the iceberg. Because by June of
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: twenty ten, once authorities put George's DNA that was now
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: collected into the database, they immediately got another DNA match
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: from a previously unsolved case. His DNA match that of
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: a sample collected from a double murder of two little
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: girls five years earlier. The victims were Laura Hobbes and
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Crystal to Bias, and we will cover their story in
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: part two.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: No, yes, hey, two little girls. We don't know their
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: ages from five years earlier. You're probably not gonna give
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: me any information here, and what kind of DNA was
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: on them? Oh my gosh, okay.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: You got you gotta tune into Park truly.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Shit because he would have been like seventeen years old.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, yeah, you're good.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: No, I want to keep listening. What else you got
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: for us? Just kidding, that's all I got for you.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I'm leaving it there.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, dang, because you know what, I literally
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: before you said that, had this thought. I was like, okay,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: not that that what he doesn't isn't terrible, but I
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: was like, he hasn't murdered. He didn't like successfully murder anyone,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: which you know is good. He still did horror horrible things,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: but I guess he did murder some people. Yeah hmm,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: innocent people that like couldn't really defend themselves near as
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: much as like a full grown person.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, okay, Okay, there we.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Go, So tune in on Friday.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I wonder how many people are just cursing you right now.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Probably a lot. I mean, it's going to be in
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: the title that it's a part one, So I'm saying
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: that there. To my defense, it's in the title part one.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so yeah.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, so intel, Okay. The silver lining is we don't
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  Speaker 2: have to wait a whole stink and week. We just
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: have to wait until Friday. Well I actually only have
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: to wait until Thursday. Ha ha, just kidding, just kidding. Wow,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I know I just threw some heat there.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: No shit, Nicole's talking and throwing shaky.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I just took the blame off you and put it
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: on me.
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  Speaker 1: You're welcome, thank you. I appreciate it. Now you're the
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: bad guy. I'm the bad guy, and that's why people
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: think you're more likely to kill me in his on
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the scenario.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, earlier you're like, yeah, I always put myself between
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: you and everyone else, and here I'm like boom, yeah,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I know, yeah, I do appreciate that you do that.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: I know often I'm like, I'm fine, I'm falling, but
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: that is fine. I know I don't carry a knife.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: I probably should. It's not a bad idea.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I bought you a hidden knife once.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like in a pen. But I'm like,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: what am I supposed to do with this?
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, just keep it in your purse and if
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: you ever need it and it's there.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess yeah, yeah.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Which I'm pretty sure you've just thrown it out.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Don't tell people that.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: But now she carries a machete on her at all
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: times and an AK forty seven.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So hopefully you guys aren't too mad at us, because
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: yeah that this is part one, but part two will
• 35:37
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• 35:39
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• 35:44
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• 35:46
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• 35:49
  Speaker 1: You guys are supporting us, and you make this show
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: what it is.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: You make the show great.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: You make the show wicked.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Oh I like it?
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah? How was that?
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: That's great?
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, we'll see you guys on Friday. We'll talk
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: to you then and until
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Then, stay Wicked