Latest / The SME Stream / Kerre Woodham: High time the charity loophole was closed
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Finance Minister Nikola Willis is promising tax changes ahead for
- 0:04Speaker 1: charities in the closing of loopholes, and the details of
- 0:08Speaker 1: that will be announced in next year's budget and not
- 0:10Speaker 1: before time. You'd have to say there's about two billion
- 0:14Speaker 1: dollars it's estimated an untaxed profit in the charitable sector
- 0:18Speaker 1: and politicians of varying hues have been eyeing up that
- 0:22Speaker 1: revenue potential for some time. I think both Christopher Lux
- 0:26Speaker 1: and Chris Hipkins have said on this show that the
- 0:29Speaker 1: charities loophole is something they want to look at. There's
- 0:33Speaker 1: also the issue of fairness. A number of charities operators businesses,
- 0:38Speaker 1: think high profile ones like Sanitarium and Best Start, and
- 0:42Speaker 1: they compete with non charitable, non charitable businesses that do
- 0:47Speaker 1: not have tax exemptions. The Tax Working Group estimated that
- 0:52Speaker 1: about thirty percent of charities were likely to have some
- 0:56Speaker 1: sort of trading activity. Is a charity not a charity?
- 1:02Speaker 1: Michael Goosemee from the University of Canterbury says, look at
- 1:05Speaker 1: christ College and christ Church. He says their shareholders in
- 1:09Speaker 1: a forestry company, and he says, if they're sending young
- 1:13Speaker 1: men up to the North Island to teach them how
- 1:16Speaker 1: to grow straight pine trees, how to mill timber, how
- 1:20Speaker 1: to market it and so on. That would be advancing
- 1:24Speaker 1: their education under charity law. Fact as they don't. Those
- 1:28Speaker 1: boys wouldn't know a pine tree if it fell on them.
- 1:32Speaker 1: It was a purely commercial operation, same as the chap
- 1:35Speaker 1: down the road growing straight pine trees. The differences one
- 1:38Speaker 1: pays tax, one doesn't. And where's the fairness in that?
- 1:43Speaker 1: I think we need to tighten it up. It's not
- 1:45Speaker 1: so much a loophole as what Michael Goosemy describes as
- 1:48Speaker 1: a failure of the school policy. The fact is there's
- 1:52Speaker 1: provision in the Income Tax Act for exemption for charities.
- 1:56Speaker 1: He would argue that it's too broad, and you'd have
- 1:58Speaker 1: to agree with them in a number of people have
- 2:00Speaker 1: said much the same thing when they have rung in
- 2:03Speaker 1: when the topics come up, and when we've had the
- 2:05Speaker 1: leaders of the parties in for a chat. You've got
- 2:10Speaker 1: Nahoo and their seafood businesses. Michael goose May said, seafood
- 2:15Speaker 1: production is not the same thing as advancing the purposes
- 2:18Speaker 1: of EWI. I mean, while you can get away with it,
- 2:21Speaker 1: go for it. I mean, there are plenty of people
- 2:24Speaker 1: who are setting up trusts to avoid paying you know,
- 2:29Speaker 1: the maximum amount of tax. They're trying to minimize their
- 2:32Speaker 1: tax return. And that's legal at the moment as the
- 2:41Speaker 1: way the law is written. But I think Niicola Willis
- 2:43Speaker 1: is casting a gimlet eye over the law and looking
- 2:49Speaker 1: to tighten it up. We're all agreed, aren't we that
- 2:53Speaker 1: the sooner that happens, the better. We've been going on
- 2:55Speaker 1: like pork chops about sanitarium and you know, some of
- 3:00Speaker 1: the e wei who are operating very very successful businesses,
- 3:06Speaker 1: all well and good to have a charity, you know,
- 3:08Speaker 1: set up your scholarships to send kids off to school,
- 3:10Speaker 1: and you know, grants for housing and health and what
- 3:16Speaker 1: have you. Great, fabulous, But when the loophole exists, you
- 3:26Speaker 1: know it exists. It's been pointed out, people can see it.
- 3:29Speaker 1: Politicians of all shades have said, this is a nonsense.
- 3:35Speaker 1: When we need every last bit of cash. Couldn't we
- 3:38Speaker 1: do with Grant Robertson six hundred million down the back
- 3:40Speaker 1: of the couch right now? We need every last bit
- 3:42Speaker 1: we've got. High time the loophole was closed. I'm just sorry.
- 3:47Speaker 1: It's going to be next year's budget and it couldn't
- 3:50Speaker 1: happen with a stroke of a pen today