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5 St Louis Blues Enforcers Tell All | Bare Knuckle Nation Ep. 1 · Bare Knuckle Nation Podcast

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  This is Bare Knuckle Nation. Let's go.
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  This episode of Bare Knuckle Nation
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  brought to you by Spas and More right
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  here from our podcast studio located at
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  the Strategic Air Services hanger. Great
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  spot.
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  [music]
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  Hey guys, welcome to Bare Knuckle Nation
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  podcast. I'm Cam Jansen. We got Reed
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  Low. We got Jamie Rivers, Tony Twist,
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  Jim Subie Campbell. Look at his outfit
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  right here. Listen, we're going to do a
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  podcast. We're going to talk about
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  everything. Of course, we have our
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  barbecue sauce, but this podcast is
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  going to be a little bit different. It's
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  not going to be just hockey talk. We're
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  going to talk about anything and
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  everything. We've all had so many weird
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  things going on in our life, different
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  ups and downs, crazy stuff, and we're
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  going to [music] uh we're going to bring
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  that to you guys. So, this is Bare
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  Knuckle Nation right here. Our first
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  podcast. Let's go. What's going on
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  everybody? What's going on? Everybody
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  looks good.
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  >> Can I intercede just for a second? Well,
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  a brown cabbage roll.
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  >> Doodoo brown.
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  >> A brown cabbage roll.
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  >> It makes me think of a PEI potato. Bud
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  the spud from the bright red mud.
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  [laughter]
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  >> Ain't easy.
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  >> Edward Island. Prince Edward Island.
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  >> Oh, please. Uh, show us your gator.
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  >> Is it a gator? I thought it was a
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  lizard.
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  >> Well, no. Gator gets a little walking
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  around money and he goes crazy.
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  [laughter]
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  Jamie, what did you say you wanted to do
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  with that?
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  >> Does that thing double up as a puff
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  ring?
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  >> Maybe for some people.
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  >> Definitely not the Irish.
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  >> Make it bigger.
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  >> The [laughter] Irish. That is not going.
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  >> Yeah. We're just going to shoot the
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  [ __ ] talk about whatever. And uh this
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  is our first podcast here right here in
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  Chesterfield, Missouri. We're going to
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  be doing this every single week. So, you
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  know, it's going to be all five of us
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  one day. Maybe just a couple of us.
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  We're going to get guests coming on. We
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  got all kinds of different guests, not
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  just hockey guys. Exactly.
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  >> We got a lot of different interests. We
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  love hockey. Of course, we will have
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  some really cool hockey people that come
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  on here, but we have other interests,
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  too. Like whether it's musicians,
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  doctors, lawyers, like whatever it is,
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  we're going to try and dive into as
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  much. And we might get laughs in here,
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  we might get tears in here, we might
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  have people who exchange some strong
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  opinions, but that's what we're here
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  for.
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  >> I'm sure you're for sure you're getting
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  that.
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  >> We're I believe there'll be a sex
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  therapist on, too.
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  >> That's never a bad idea, too. I know you
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  guys have a history of making people
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  cry, so that'll definitely happen.
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  >> Do it.
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  >> You're making me cry with that uniform.
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  >> That's great.
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  >> Watching you get out of the truck this
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  morning was great. [laughter]
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  >> I'm like, no doubt.
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  >> The energy.
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  >> I think it'd be fun just to find out how
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  we have all gotten to this point. Like
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  we know the hockey and we played all for
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  the Blues and whatnot, but like how we
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  met each other originally. Cuz like Sup,
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  I we have a funny story.
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  >> Yes. and and super you tell your side of
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  it
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  >> if I can remember
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  >> why because
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  >> I can't really I remember some of it
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  psych train no when we're on the
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  >> choo train the dance floor across the
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  floor
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  >> that was when we were in the blues
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  [laughter]
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  we're playing in the minors
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  >> okay yes so I was in Baltimore the
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  Baltimore bandits
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  >> yeah they're no longer around is playing
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  for the Ice Cats I was doing my thing
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  kind of Yep with a state charges a
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  dollar 2525 [laughter]
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  >> so anyways I was stretching the blue
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  line trying to get a breakaway, doing my
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  [laughter] thing. RZ comes up and slash
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  two hands me.
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  >> You don't know each other.
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  >> No, never never met each other.
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  >> This guy's behind me for half the first
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  period. I'm like, I'm done with this
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  [ __ ]
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  >> Playing my game. I'm doing my thing. I'm
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  like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't look at
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  Who is this guy? I'm like, buddy, calm
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  down. [laughter] Like, let me go out
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  here. I'll do my thing. I'll get a
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  breakaway and get a goal. Next shift,
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  I'll let you go. I'll miss my defensive
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  coverage. You go back to You'll get a
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  goal. We'll both be in the NHL next
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  week. You're negotiating [laughter] this
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  deal. I'm not kidding.
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  >> During a shift,
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  >> during a shift?
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  >> I'm not kidding you. I [ __ ] slashed
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  this guy. And he looks at me. He goes,
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  he goes, "WHOA, WHOA, WHOA." He goes,
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  >> "Can we just get along out here?" And
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  I'm like, "Okay." At this point, I'm
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  like, "What the hell is this guy doing?"
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  >> Confused.
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  >> Then he says to me, just like, I mean,
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  verbatim, he goes, "Hey, hey, hey,
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  here's how it works. You let me go on a
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  breakaway. I score a goal. Next time
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  we're in the defensive zone, I let you
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  go. You score a goal. We're both in the
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  show by the end OF NEXT WEEK." RIGHT?
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  GENIUS. It's genius.
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  >> Sure as [ __ ] We were both in the show
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  like a week later. Like come on. I'm not
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  lying.
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  >> And I'm like, then he got signed by the
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  Blues and we didn't really know each
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  other. We're staying in the same hotel
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  for training camp and then I think we're
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  at Westport and we're at some bar and
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  you know, come over the train
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  and they had like the conga line going.
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  I'm watching these people and then like
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  four people in I mean he's like
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  [laughter]
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  >> I was like, "Okay, I like this guy.
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  [laughter] How old were you guys at this
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  time?
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  >> 23.
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  >> I was think I was 21.
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  >> Yeah, I'm 53 now. I'm 52 years old now.
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  Yeah. Two years older than me.
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  >> Subie was blowing that [ __ ] on me 17
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  years later when I was in the minors.
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  >> Cutting deals.
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  >> Cutting deals, baby.
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  >> He tried to ask me in a fight.
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  >> He asked me to fight the first time we
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  played him.
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  >> WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? I'M LIKE, I COACHED
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  THIS. I was just going to [ __ ] around.
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  >> Fight.
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  >> Yeah, that's great.
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  >> We're in We're in Albany. I'm playing
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  It's a lockout year. I'm playing in
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  Hershey. I
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  >> 94.
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  >> No, 040. This is the lock I've been in
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  the league for a long time now and we've
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  known each other.
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  >> I'm playing in the American League.
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  >> Hold on. Your first game together
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  >> against each other?
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  >> I mean, and Okay, go ahead.
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  >> So, he was a kid. I coached him here
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  with the the Sting. [laughter] And then
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  I see him out there playing for Albany.
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  And I'm in Hershey. I don't want to be
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  in the American Hockey League, but I got
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  to make some money.
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  >> Oh, no.
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  >> And this kid all fired up like snot
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  rockets coming up. [laughter]
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  >> And he's like, he's like, "Hey,
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  >> it's like that.
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  >> WE GOING? WE GOING?" I'M LIKE, THE [ __ ]
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  are you talking about? I go, "Hey,
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  Dennis Bony's on the bench. You can deal
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  with him." I'm like, "I'm not fighting
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  this guy."
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  >> So then he tried to run me. It's okay.
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  Get out of the way.
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  >> What do I [clears throat] What am I
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  supposed to do? Not do that. Like I got
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  to do it. I got to do your job.
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  >> It wasn't It wasn't shame. I
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  >> remember wiping your ass for you.
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  >> Can I ask this one question? Did you
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  think about You knew what you were going
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  to do? Were you thinking about him
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  before the game? Cuz everybody I don't
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  care any guy who scraps in the game.
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  Lozy, you got one. Except for you.
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  >> I had like 10.
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  >> DID ANYBODY HEAR FRANKIE the animal? Did
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  anybody here fight Frankie the animal?
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  >> He did.
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  >> I did too.
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  >> Yeah. Okay. Now he did.
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  >> I did. You
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  >> both got kicked out.
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  >> Sergey Creassov still because of you.
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  >> Thank you. He tried to butt in me right
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  in the eyeball. Got him right. Got me
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  here. I fought him every game since
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  then.
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  >> Yeah. You You fought him.
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  >> Fought. I instigated the fight every
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  time.
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  >> Okay.
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  >> Dang, boy. Yeah, because he almost took
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  my eyeball out. got me hit butt enemy
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  right in the against the rules.
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  >> That's right.
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  >> He was crazy, too.
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  >> Big time crazy.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> Were you thinking about ribs before the
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  game?
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  >> So, you were Yeah. So, you had already
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  manufacturing who you were going to in
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  order to go after.
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  >> Well, if Bomb's out there, I'm probably
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  going to fight him first, but I was
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  probably just bullshitting Jamie, you
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  know, like, let's do it. You know, I
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  know he didn't want to be there.
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  >> I'm just getting up. I'm like, this is
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  during a lockout. If this comes near me,
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  I'm gonna [ __ ]
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  >> But I did I know you're gonna cross
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  check me my fate and I didn't want to
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  deal with that. [laughter]
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  >> So I I was just bullshitting him.
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  >> It was funny.
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  >> It was more of a funny moment than a
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  serious moment.
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  >> But he would have he would have
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  >> Oh, HE WOULD HAVE FOUGHT. YEAH,
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  >> PROBABLY. But
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  >> I would have fought him. The door
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  opened. He was going to
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  >> But that's not going to happen. I would
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  have cross-cheed him in the face.
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  >> Right in the face.
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  >> There's no I if I get suspended for 10
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  games in the American League during the
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  lockout year, I don't get
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  >> No, I WANTED YOU TO NO, JAMIE. I wanted
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  you to cross check me and knock my teeth
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  out and I'd have [ __ ] pearly whites
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  put in and they would have paid for it.
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  Now my teeth are brown and I can't
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  afford to get the pearly whites. So you
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  should have knocked them out back in the
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  day.
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  >> Toothbrush.
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  >> I got one of these. [laughter]
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  >> Those were those were late to Hey, those
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  were late to Eureka. But
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  >> you guys always know where I live
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  through these bad boys.
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  >> It's like breadcrumbs everywhere I go. I
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  got I got to use these bad boys right
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  here.
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  >> They make them with a little brush on
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  the end of them, too.
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  >> Yeah. No, I got those, too.
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  >> How do you floss your ass with that? Uh,
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  easily actually just put it up there and
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  floss it. Okay. And then I use with your
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  teeth and then uh I drop it on the
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  ground and you know where I live.
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  >> Well, so put that address out there.
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  [laughter]
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  >> Lozi, did you play against any of these
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  guys in the minor leagues?
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  >> Uh, played with Soup. Uh,
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  >> another great story.
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  >> 99 2000. Uh, I was the last cut from the
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  Blues that year. They picked Terry Jacob
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  off waivers. So I got sent to the
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  miners. I was pissed. Uh, they had
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  Chaser still played that year. That's
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  the year they won the the President's
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  Trophy and he got sent down couple games
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  into the season for whatever reason. And
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  you know, typically a guy's making a
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  million bucks gets sent to the minor,
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  he's going to be pretty pissed off.
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  [laughter] Snoop in to the LIKE, HEY,
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  >> HERE TO PLAY a
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  >> million dollars. No problem. [laughter]
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  >> I'm like, I've never seen a guy here get
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  sent to the miners like my hometown,
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  too.
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  >> He's like, he's going to his hometown.
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  He's making a million bucks. He's like,
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  whatever. Right.
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  >> It worked out good. So Soup was a great
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  teammate even though he hadn't changed
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  anything. He was at the far blue light
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  the whole time. Greg Gilbert's losing
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  his [ __ ] every other game going, "What?"
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  Gibby was my first.
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  >> Everybody has a different style. We all
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  have different styles.
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  >> Subie and I learned to make magic with
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  that style. Once we got I got to know
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  what he was doing. We just look at each
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  other and we know and I we go D to D and
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  he would just blow the zone. I be
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  >> little.
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  Are you talking about on the ice or off
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  the ice?
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  >> Both. [laughter]
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  checking disrous. Yes. Okay, good. I
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  didn't know if you were playing
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  metaphors in the game of hockey for
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  other things.
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  >> No. Well, good.
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  >> We got to ease into those stories.
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  >> What's what what story we show how you
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  guys
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  >> together? How I put you in the NHL?
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  >> Um, [laughter]
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  >> you're welcome.
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  >> Thank you. S put me in the NHL. Uh, we
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  were the one story that kind of I
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  remember from the from that season. Uh,
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  we were on the road in Manchester and so
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  we had our blue ice cat jerseys on and
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  I'm getting prepped before the game. You
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  know, I'm not really paying attention to
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  what's going on around me. Get my jersey
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  on. Go out there for warm up.
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  >> Worcester ice catch.
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  >> We're the Worcester ice cor.
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  Welcome to Worester where the stage edi
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  I'm skating around the ice and I'm like
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  >> like their team's laughing. The coaches
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  are all laughing. Oh god. My team's all
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  laughing. I'm like, "What the [ __ ] is
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  going on here?"
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  >> So anyways, Brent Johnson's our goalie
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  and he skates up to me. He's like, "I
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  can't do this anymore." And he pulls
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  something off my back and stupid taken a
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  white piece of tape and made it an S and
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  put it on my jersey [laughter]
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  slow on it.
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  >> The font was perfect.
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  >> The font was perfect. Everybody's dying
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  laughing. I got slow [laughter] on my
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  back
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  >> on a game day in warmup.
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  >> In warmup. [laughter]
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  >> In warmup. I got two goals and an assist
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  that day and then I went I got I had
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  like I don't know eight or 10 points the
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  next 12 15 games. They were calling me
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  millennium man low all this other crap.
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  >> The other team saw you at that everybody
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  got worse. So every game when he gets
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  two goals and assists continue on but
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  have a next game.
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  >> So next game he taped a hockey card to
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  the front of my helmet and I DIDN'T PAY
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  ATTENTION LIKE YOU KNOW YOU TAKE YOUR
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  HELMET.
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  >> You got in twice.
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  >> Oh like six times
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  >> dude.
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  There was bubble gum bubblegum rappers
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  t, you know, to taped to my pants and
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  just [laughter]
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  and he just would not let it go. And
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  finally I threatened his life and said,
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  "Okay, enough's enough. I've had enough
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  of this."
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  >> You got it six times.
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  >> It went on for about 3 weeks.
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  >> So you were living up to the first S.
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  You were part time.
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  >> Absolutely.
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  >> Right here on the front. It was
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  >> Whose hockey card?
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  >> Mine. [laughter]
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  >> He taped his hockey card to the front of
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  my helmet and I went
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  >> game day again.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> In warm up. This was warm up warm-ups
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  and everybody. How long did you How long
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  before you let him off the hook?
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  >> Halfway through the warm up. Someone
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  >> halfway the other team with that
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  [laughter] too%.
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  >> That's freaking awesome.
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  >> Oh yeah, dude. That's all you were
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  missing.
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  >> Get a pocket card on you.
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  >> Somebody do that in the NHL for you.
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  >> So he didn't never look at the front of
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  the He never looked at the [laughter]
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  front of the uh
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  >> helmet. Oh my god.
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  >> Excuse me. That's like the number. What
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  a rookie. We have our first
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  >> That's a rookie podcast.
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  >> You're a rookie podcast can't answer
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  right now. [laughter]
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  >> I had to think.
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  >> So what? So yeah, Bubblegum, the hockey
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  card, a slozy.
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  >> Yeah, that's about it.
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  >> I can't remember. It was
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  >> there was some repeat offenses, another
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  hockey card, and then I just started to
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  pick up on I started looking at my gear,
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  you know.
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  >> Well,
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  produced.
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  >> I know. I know there's a couple guys
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  that know what it's like to get ready
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  for a hockey game when you're a tough
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  guy. And whether or not there's a hockey
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  card in the front of my helmet, it's not
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  part of like what's going on after you
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  beat me down for a couple of weeks. And
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  then and how do you get mad at this guy
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  cuz he's over in the corner going
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  [laughter]
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  and you're just like, I want to kill
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  you, but you make me laugh too, you
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  donkey. Like [laughter]
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  >> it's tough.
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  >> It's a good combo.
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  >> Although it does become a pain in the
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  ass getting pranked every [ __ ] day.
• 13:03
  >> Then you're just like your head's on a
• 13:04
  swivel.
• 13:05
  >> Once after after about 3 weeks, it
• 13:07
  wasn't funny anymore. So, we went on and
• 13:10
  I had a great year that year. I had like
• 13:12
  30 points and 250 50 minutes.
• 13:14
  >> There are some pranks though that [ __ ]
• 13:15
  some guys up like somebody
• 13:18
  >> Well, some of them are mean spirits.
• 13:19
  >> Well, some somebody even during alumni
• 13:21
  skate back in the day when I was young
• 13:23
  skating with you guys in alumni.
• 13:25
  Somebody put a [ __ ] tape on my
• 13:27
  blades.
• 13:28
  >> Oh, yeah.
• 13:28
  >> So, that [ __ ] you up. You go on the
• 13:30
  ice, you don't know it, and allape clear
• 13:32
  tape on the bottom of the skate. like
• 13:34
  now I pulled my goddamn growing because
• 13:36
  somebody and no I couldn't find out who
• 13:37
  it was. They locked that thing down and
• 13:40
  I'm like damn man I that that [ __ ] me
• 13:42
  up a little bit.
• 13:43
  >> We had um when I was with the Islanders
• 13:46
  >> yeah I like to pull pranks and whatnot.
• 13:48
  Little pranks but I was running late one
• 13:50
  time for practice New York traffic. I'm
• 13:52
  like I get to the rink I'm struggling.
• 13:55
  Guys are already getting on the ice. I'm
• 13:56
  just arriving
• 13:57
  >> and I go to put my skates on and of
• 13:59
  course the laces are cut. I'm like, now
• 14:02
  the trainers were solid. They met me in
• 14:04
  like the the change room, the back door,
• 14:06
  so the coaches couldn't see me come in.
• 14:08
  I get all my stuff. Like I start
• 14:10
  dressing in the back room so it looked
• 14:12
  like I was already dressed and I was
• 14:13
  coming out of there. Put my skates on.
• 14:15
  The laces snap. No big deal. So I go out
• 14:18
  with no laces. Take a little bit of a
• 14:20
  half lap. Can manage go. Ah, there's
• 14:22
  something wrong with my skates. Go to
• 14:23
  the bench and lace. [laughter] I find
• 14:25
  out through the grape vines. Gino Ojik
• 14:27
  who did it.
• 14:27
  >> Oh, Gino. Rest in peace.
• 14:29
  >> Yeah. Rest in peace. love Gino. But I
• 14:32
  was so pissed off that the next day I
• 14:35
  called a buddy of mine, this guy named
• 14:36
  Mike Zakardi on Long Island. He had a
• 14:38
  buddy who owned a like a garage. Had a
• 14:40
  tow truck. While we're at practice, I
• 14:42
  had them come take all the tires off
• 14:44
  Gino's car and put it on blocks.
• 14:46
  >> Nice.
• 14:46
  >> And I hid the tires all around the rink
• 14:49
  and I had a note to each one with clues
• 14:51
  for each tire. HE WAS THERE TILL 4:00 IN
• 14:54
  THE AFTERNOON GETTING HIS TIRES.
• 14:55
  [laughter]
• 14:55
  >> DID YOU WRITE THOSE IN CRAYON? YEAH,
• 14:57
  because if he had written my crayon, he
• 14:59
  wouldn't have understood. Needless to
• 15:01
  say, I didn't get pranked again.
• 15:04
  >> Like, no.
• 15:04
  >> So, time is like, "Stop." You know what
• 15:06
  I mean?
• 15:06
  >> The prank doesn't always need to be
• 15:09
  acknowledged by anybody but you. So, I'm
• 15:11
  the I like to do things to to you know,
• 15:14
  you know, entertain myself. We're in New
• 15:16
  York and we're practicing on the Well,
• 15:20
  there was a rink there that was on the
• 15:21
  water. Do you remember?
• 15:22
  >> Yeah. Yeah. The on the pier there,
• 15:23
  Chelsea.
• 15:24
  >> Yeah. That Chelsea Pier, is that what
• 15:25
  it's called? So, Do you remember the guy
• 15:27
  who played uh in that movie Shaw Shank?
• 15:30
  >> Yeah, Tim Robbins. We were on the same
• 15:31
  team together. Was on that team too.
• 15:33
  >> Yeah. So that now did you know that I
• 15:36
  cut his laces?
• 15:37
  >> No, I didn't know about that.
• 15:37
  >> So he was he was Oscar award.
• 15:40
  >> Okay. So
• 15:42
  >> I It was And this guy is 6' freaking
• 15:45
  He's a monster, boys.
• 15:46
  >> Andy Dra and he's out skating and you
• 15:49
  know you know and he knew that we were
• 15:51
  coming in. I went to say hi or whatever.
• 15:53
  He just brushed me off. I go, "All
• 15:55
  right. Well, that's how that works.
• 15:56
  Okay. So, you know, Ray's unloaded all
• 15:59
  the stuff and he's got he's in a
• 16:00
  dressing room all by himself and he's
• 16:02
  still on the ice. So, I I I cut his
• 16:05
  shoelace, you know, one of his shoelaces
• 16:07
  and I glued one of his shoes to the
• 16:09
  floor
• 16:09
  >> and I cut a thing out of his zipper. So,
• 16:13
  we're all he gets off the ice and I
• 16:16
  don't tell anybody. And there's, you
• 16:17
  know, Mr. Defrain trying to get dressed
• 16:19
  and you could I could hear him. Mother,
• 16:23
  what the hell? And I go, I'll teach you
• 16:25
  for not shaking my head and just indul
• 16:26
  [laughter]
• 16:28
  me.
• 16:28
  >> You low life actor you.
• 16:30
  >> And I was laughing so hard in the
• 16:32
  dressing room. I was
• 16:33
  >> I didn't know you did that.
• 16:34
  >> Oh, Fuzzy. Cuz Fuzzy sat beside me all
• 16:36
  night. It was Fuzy. I was fury. I don't
• 16:38
  know who the freak it was. It could have
• 16:39
  been Fuzzy. Why you laughing, Twister? I
• 16:42
  go,
• 16:42
  >> can't even tell you. [laughter] Can't
• 16:44
  even tell you. That's the first I told
• 16:46
  Jason that story. I think that's about
• 16:49
  I've never told anybody else, which I
• 16:50
  thought was hilarious.
• 16:51
  >> I can't believe I didn't know about
• 16:52
  that.
• 16:53
  Wait, he's calling in right now. Andy
• 16:55
  Defrain is calling in right now.
• 16:57
  >> A tall drink of water.
• 16:58
  >> He's online, too.
• 16:59
  >> He's a huge Auggie fan though, man. You
• 17:01
  got to respect that. Like,
• 17:02
  >> is there anybody else feeling the
• 17:03
  earthquake over there? Every time
• 17:05
  Twister like goes like this, drops his
• 17:07
  absolute hands on here. IT'S LIKE HULK
• 17:10
  SMASH.
• 17:12
  >> Oh boy. [laughter] Like he's got those
• 17:14
  bought at Walmart like this. All the
• 17:16
  water just
• 17:17
  >> May I just say this, Jamie? [laughter]
• 17:19
  Yesterday, we were talking. I go, "Good
• 17:21
  job." up and I put my hand on her and I
• 17:23
  go, "Oh my god, I'm so sorry."
• 17:26
  [laughter]
• 17:26
  >> Just beating the We're going to need
• 17:28
  some reinfor
• 17:31
  the table there. [laughter]
• 17:32
  >> Like I I got a a skate cutting story
• 17:36
  that was happening to me. You remember
• 17:37
  Chris Kennedy?
• 17:38
  >> Yes.
• 17:39
  >> Oh yeah. Yeah. With the Rangers
• 17:41
  >> under the bed.
• 17:42
  >> He uh he he what?
• 17:43
  >> Under the bed somewhere. He did
• 17:45
  something crazy.
• 17:46
  >> Whispering under the mic and the mic
• 17:48
  right here. Still going to pick you up.
• 17:50
  Zoom [laughter]
• 17:51
  pocket. So they can't read my lips.
• 17:55
  >> So he was hing on the bed.
• 17:57
  >> Offensive coordinator. [laughter]
• 17:59
  >> YELLOW ZIPPER FLY SEVEN.
• 18:02
  >> But he kept cutting my laces every day
• 18:04
  and it wasn't fun. Like I was a rookie.
• 18:06
  He was douchebag. He like
• 18:09
  >> he had he had that in him.
• 18:10
  >> If Gibby like if we did our you know the
• 18:12
  three lines where you skate down, pass
• 18:14
  it across, drive to the net, all the
• 18:15
  different things that he did with us. He
• 18:17
  he would like fire the puck so hard that
• 18:20
  nobody could and then we'd have to stop
• 18:21
  and go back and do it again and do it
• 18:23
  again like everything. So finally after
• 18:25
  a while like I kind of went after him at
• 18:27
  practice and everyone's like no you
• 18:29
  can't whatever. So he stopped doing it
• 18:31
  three year two years two years later.
• 18:34
  >> Uh we were at a line brawl. I was in
• 18:35
  Worcester and we were we had a line
• 18:37
  brawl in Hartford and he was with the
• 18:38
  Wolfpack and I was like
• 18:41
  >> yeah [snorts]
• 18:42
  get him.
• 18:42
  >> Oh [ __ ] get him. grabbed him and
• 18:44
  heard that predator sounds in the
• 18:47
  background
• 18:49
  >> and he knew it too.
• 18:50
  >> Tobacco was hungry that night.
• 18:52
  [laughter]
• 18:52
  >> He didn't sleep that afternoon.
• 18:53
  >> Did you give it to him?
• 18:54
  >> Oh, just like rented me.
• 18:57
  >> Just beat him down.
• 18:58
  >> We should got it on VHS. [laughter]
• 19:02
  >> I had to You had to find a way to like
• 19:04
  to fight to do it to where you're doing
• 19:06
  it like we did. But uh I didn't love
• 19:09
  fighting like I didn't love the the
• 19:11
  feeling of like I wasn't
• 19:14
  I didn't want to fight. I just wanted to
• 19:15
  fight. I wanted to make the NHL more
• 19:17
  than I didn't want to fight, if that
• 19:18
  makes sense. Right. And uh but after
• 19:21
  that one, oh [ __ ]
• 19:23
  >> it was so good.
• 19:24
  >> So like three years of RETRIBUTION LIKE,
• 19:27
  OH, I just pounded through. Yeah. Get
• 19:29
  you.
• 19:30
  >> So you guys, I'm sure you've heard I
• 19:31
  think I told the one night when we did
• 19:33
  the event at Rack House, like my first
• 19:35
  time interacting with Twister, first
• 19:36
  time ever is 1993,
• 19:40
  I think, or maybe 94. Brentwood Ice
• 19:43
  Rink, the old like not the what it is
• 19:44
  now, like the old thing. And we have the
• 19:47
  we had like three locker rooms because
• 19:48
  they
• 19:49
  >> 94 95.
• 19:50
  >> Okay. We didn't have like a big locker
• 19:52
  room. You had to break it up into three
• 19:54
  spots for training camp
• 19:55
  >> and it's my second NHL training camp and
• 19:59
  like I I'm coming off a pretty good year
• 20:01
  and I'm like, "Okay, it's time to make
• 20:03
  this team." Like enough like I I don't
• 20:05
  want to go back to junior. I want to
• 20:06
  make this team. And so I remember my
• 20:08
  brother getting me all fired up. my dad
• 20:10
  too like, "Hey, first time somebody
• 20:12
  [ __ ] with you, just just [ __ ] beat
• 20:14
  the [ __ ] out of you because they saw
• 20:16
  that you put up like a 100 points, you
• 20:17
  know, the season." Now they like show
• 20:19
  like, "Okay, [ __ ] Let's go." Like I
• 20:21
  don't give a [ __ ] So Twister is in
• 20:24
  training camp that year. Now Twister is
• 20:26
  not a extremely tall guy and you got to
• 20:28
  remember on the ice he's not wearing any
• 20:30
  shoulder pads or barely anything and
• 20:32
  everybody else wearing shoulder pads. So
• 20:33
  you can like guys are bigger, you know.
• 20:35
  He didn't look very big. I know it's
• 20:37
  hard to believe. He didn't look very
• 20:38
  big. It's hard to believe.
• 20:39
  >> And I make a pass like D to D. You know,
• 20:41
  you make your pass kind of following
• 20:42
  your pass a little bit. I see him
• 20:43
  coming. I'm like, "Okay, whatever." And
• 20:44
  he kind of finishes me like two or three
• 20:46
  seconds late. So, I'm like in my head,
• 20:48
  I'm like, "It's go time." I like cross
• 20:51
  check him in the back as he's skating
• 20:52
  away. And he turns around and looks at
• 20:55
  me and I'm like, "Okay." Like, "This is
• 20:56
  this what we're doing." And he goes
• 21:00
  [laughter] and skates away. And I'm
• 21:02
  like, "Yeah, that's right, PUSSY."
• 21:04
  YOU'RE LIKE, "YEAH, YEAH." YEAH. YEAH.
• 21:05
  >> And he's like looks back and one more
• 21:07
  shoulder check and he must have known
• 21:09
  like that I was more of an offensive
• 21:10
  defenseman at the time. Anyways, and I
• 21:13
  get back to the bench and Basil McCrae
• 21:15
  is on my team. He shimies down, pops me
• 21:18
  in the side of the head. [ __ ] your
• 21:20
  problem. He's like, "Hey, [ __ ] you
• 21:22
  get him riled up. I've got to fight for
• 21:24
  you."
• 21:24
  >> Exactly.
• 21:25
  >> I'm like, "I'll fight him." HE SAID,
• 21:26
  "DON'T GO NEAR THAT GUY." [laughter] SO,
• 21:28
  I'M LIKE, "OKAY, FINE. WHATEVER." At the
• 21:30
  same time though, let him sleep.
• 21:31
  >> Like, I'm young. I got balls big enough
• 21:33
  to come in a dump
• 21:33
  >> and you were what round draft pick?
• 21:35
  >> Third, second pick for the year, but and
• 21:37
  I'm like, okay, like I'm not afraid.
• 21:39
  Like I'm going to show these guys.
• 21:41
  Anyways, we don't end up fighting. Thank
• 21:42
  god. Uh we go to the train wreck after.
• 21:45
  >> I knew who you were. You didn't know who
• 21:47
  I was. That's weird. Weird. He's been in
• 21:49
  the game a long time at that point.
• 21:51
  >> I know. But at look, I knew of Tony
• 21:54
  Twist. I didn't know that was Tony. You
• 21:56
  don't didn't have the name plate. Didn't
• 21:58
  have the internet. We didn't have like
• 21:59
  >> No, I get you practice. Yeah,
• 22:01
  >> we get to the train wreck for we used to
• 22:03
  go for wings and beer. Imagine training
• 22:05
  camp. Wings and beer after the first
• 22:07
  hands.
• 22:07
  >> Oh, no.
• 22:08
  >> And sometimes twice.
• 22:09
  >> Well, you'd stay there for dinner and
• 22:10
  then stay there [laughter] for dinner.
• 22:12
  >> It was a day. And so Nelson Emerson
• 22:14
  drives me to train wreck. Nellie is one
• 22:17
  of the best dudes ever. And we walk in
• 22:20
  and we're kind of waiting to get the big
• 22:22
  table for all the guys. And there is
• 22:23
  this silverback gorilla chest out like
• 22:28
  huge chest paws dragging behind him big
• 22:31
  huge biceps. He walks by looking at now
• 22:34
  I go who the [ __ ] is that? He goes
• 22:35
  THAT'S THE GUY YOU WANTED TO FIGHT.
• 22:37
  [laughter] I'M LIKE oh [ __ ] So then we
• 22:40
  have a preseason game after I forget who
• 22:41
  we're playing and I forget who the hell
• 22:43
  he fought. He drops the gloves in the
• 22:45
  first period and beats the living piss
• 22:47
  out of this guy. And in the back of my
• 22:49
  head, I'm going,
• 22:50
  >> "Well, that was a good business decision
• 22:52
  not to get involved." Although, I didn't
• 22:54
  make the decision.
• 22:55
  >> I made the decision because I knew you
• 22:56
  were you this you were the second pick
• 22:59
  for the Blues. Yeah.
• 23:00
  >> Second [clears throat] pick for the
• 23:01
  Blues. And you're looking at I'm going
• 23:02
  to go this kid has got no
• 23:05
  freaking idea. That's why I just
• 23:07
  laughed. I mean, what what am I going to
• 23:09
  prove? I I'll end up I'll end up getting
• 23:12
  slapped over the knuckles for knocking
• 23:13
  out the second.
• 23:16
  You don't want his blood on your
• 23:17
  knuckles.
• 23:17
  >> Yeah, I know. Mine was a little
• 23:19
  different.
• 23:21
  [laughter]
• 23:22
  >> Go ahead. Take my blood.
• 23:26
  >> That one.
• 23:27
  >> I don't know if you were still there.
• 23:28
  >> I hadn't been there yet. I
• 23:30
  >> No, he was uh 95 96.
• 23:32
  >> Yeah, but he was
• 23:33
  >> What were you doing in '94 95?
• 23:34
  >> What year was your first train?
• 23:36
  >> 94 was the Olympics.
• 23:37
  >> 9798. He came after me in '98 99.
• 23:40
  >> Well, I was at that training camp. You
• 23:42
  You and Nasher kind of had it coming a
• 23:45
  little bit.
• 23:46
  >> No, I First off, I had nothing coming
• 23:49
  and I wasn't going near Chaser or
• 23:51
  Twister. I fought everybody else in camp
• 23:53
  and back then there was plenty of other
• 23:55
  guys to fight.
• 23:56
  >> Yeah, but you grabbed Chaser.
• 23:57
  >> No.
• 23:58
  >> Well, no, no, that's not because
• 24:01
  >> Nasher was out running around trying to
• 24:02
  get noticed, which Nasher should. He was
• 24:04
  on my team. Pavle Demetri and Chase were
• 24:06
  on the same team. I remember this. You
• 24:08
  and I were on the same team that night.
• 24:09
  >> He smoke he smoked uh Nashville or Nash
• 24:12
  just absolutely lit Pava up and Chaser
• 24:15
  came over and beat him up. And then the
• 24:17
  next shift they were in front of the
• 24:18
  bench and Chaser's working him again.
• 24:20
  And I'm like at the first one I'm like
• 24:22
  you want to go take after Pavl Demetria,
• 24:24
  I'm not sticking up for you. Yeah, but
• 24:26
  if you're going to keep if it's going to
• 24:27
  keep happening. So I just jumped over
• 24:29
  the boards. I stepped in front of him
• 24:30
  and I said you want to fight him, you
• 24:32
  got to go through me. And then I
• 24:34
  proceeded to, you know, have some fun
• 24:36
  with Chaser and apparently I did okay
• 24:38
  because this guy came after me.
• 24:40
  >> Well, the problem is this is the rumor
• 24:41
  that got around the the Hardy's Ice Plex
• 24:43
  at the time,
• 24:45
  >> the rumor that got around, true or not,
• 24:47
  doesn't matter, is that you kind of
• 24:49
  jumped chaser.
• 24:50
  >> And so then Tommy Boy over here,
• 24:54
  >> it was like and he was like,
• 24:56
  [clears throat]
• 24:57
  [laughter]
• 24:58
  and then for 24 [ __ ] hours, that's
• 25:00
  all he was thinking of. So for TV
• 25:02
  timeout, the rumor around the ring
• 25:05
  wasn't that I got I jumped Chaser.
• 25:07
  Chaser's rumor that around the ring
• 25:10
  because because he was carrying a black
• 25:11
  guy, you know, you're right. Could be a
• 25:14
  good
• 25:16
  That's where that rumor
• 25:18
  from our standpoint. We're not in that
• 25:20
  game.
• 25:21
  >> We're like up in the wait room or
• 25:22
  whatever and we hear this come funneling
• 25:24
  up. Oh, I get that. I was gone already.
• 25:26
  I was You're gone.
• 25:27
  >> I was gone. I was already back time in
• 25:29
  the wait room.
• 25:30
  >> Yeah, I was. You should have.
• 25:31
  >> But Bobby Pagger, Gibby, like I was in
• 25:34
  the dressing room cuz I had to get my
• 25:35
  hand fixed up. And they were all like,
• 25:37
  "Oh, that's awesome. Good job. GOOD
• 25:39
  LUCK.
• 25:40
  >> I'M FEELING I'M FEELING REALLY good
• 25:41
  about myself until dinner that night and
• 25:43
  everyone's like, "Dude, Twister is
• 25:45
  coming to get you." Cuz we had to play
• 25:46
  Twister to you guys the next day.
• 25:48
  >> Remember the next morning stretch?
• 25:49
  >> Yeah. He's not there. No motor no
• 25:52
  motorcycle in the in the You always used
• 25:53
  to put park your motorcycle in the
• 25:55
  Zamboni. You parked it around the other
• 25:57
  side. I'm like, "Baby's got the REED LOW
• 25:59
  FLU. [laughter] YEAH. NO. NO, he
• 26:02
  doesn't. He does not. He ate the reed
• 26:04
  lo.
• 26:05
  >> All by design. All by design.
• 26:07
  >> You hid your bike just as [ __ ]
• 26:09
  >> Oh, dude. I promise I hid my bike.
• 26:11
  Didn't come out for stretch. I mean, it
• 26:12
  was like I mean, it was like I didn't
• 26:14
  exist. Like the whole time I like I know
• 26:16
  you just I don't know whether to shoot
• 26:20
  this or steal third base. Like
• 26:21
  >> we were all like, "Oh shit." And then
• 26:23
  like nobody's talking to him cuz he
• 26:24
  don't want to talk to nobody. [snorts]
• 26:26
  And some people I know were trying to
• 26:28
  talk to you a little bit and you were
• 26:31
  obviously it would be like it's like
• 26:33
  prison, right? Like you know you're
• 26:34
  going out in the yard and someone's
• 26:35
  going to try to shank you. That's a bad
• 26:37
  feeling.
• 26:37
  >> Yeah. It's terrible. It was a terrible
• 26:39
  feeling.
• 26:39
  >> And and in training camp like twist
• 26:42
  twister, we're we're fourth liners.
• 26:44
  Okay. But in training camp, when you're
• 26:46
  a veteran, you're on the first line,
• 26:48
  right? It's all the NHL guys, then it's
• 26:50
  the minor league guys, and then it's the
• 26:51
  junior guys to try and keep camp fair.
• 26:54
  So the junior kids are playing with the
• 26:55
  junior kids, right? And so I'm thinking,
• 26:58
  you know, Twister's on the first line,
• 26:59
  I'm on the third line.
• 27:00
  >> First time for everything. [laughter]
• 27:02
  >> Maybe maybe we won't get out there
• 27:04
  against each other. Yeah, right. Yeah,
• 27:06
  right. As soon as I jumped over the
• 27:08
  boards, he jumped over the boards and
• 27:10
  yelled, "Oh, I turned around and his
• 27:12
  gloves weren't on." And I was like, "Do
• 27:14
  not let his right hand make contact with
• 27:17
  your face." That's
• 27:18
  >> tie him up.
• 27:19
  >> All I had in my mind. So I got him and
• 27:22
  he was We were spinning around. And we
• 27:23
  end up landing on the ground and I was
• 27:25
  down face first on the ice and kind of
• 27:28
  had my hands like this and Twister
• 27:30
  sitting on my back yelling
• 27:32
  >> and open hand cuffing my helmet, I'm the
• 27:35
  [ __ ] sheriff in this town, boy. And I
• 27:39
  just remember laying there arena.
• 27:42
  >> You are the sheriff and if you could
• 27:44
  just stop hitting me and get off me.
• 27:47
  Thank you. You win, man. Have another We
• 27:50
  can resolve this peacefully. We're in
• 27:51
  good shape here.
• 27:53
  Well, Twister got me into hockey, man.
• 27:55
  All these young kids in St. Louis. Like,
• 27:57
  we all came and watched [ __ ] Holy and
• 27:59
  Chaser and Twister. And I just remember
• 28:01
  seeing him at a young age being down
• 28:04
  there beating the [ __ ] out of guys. And
• 28:06
  I'm like, "What is that thing?"
• 28:07
  [laughter]
• 28:08
  >> I go, "What are you
• 28:09
  >> think?"
• 28:10
  >> And then, you know, he would go in the
• 28:11
  pony box, take off all his [ __ ] He'd
• 28:13
  have the tattoos going.
• 28:14
  >> He just happened to shed the gear.
• 28:16
  >> Shad the gear. The girls are going,
• 28:19
  >> dude. I go, "What the [ __ ] is that?"
• 28:21
  BOWER SHIRT, RIGHT? I GO, I WANT TO BE
• 28:23
  THAT, you know, like that's how you we
• 28:25
  we all got in the early 90s, man. That's
• 28:27
  how we got into hockey here in St.
• 28:28
  Louis. Just you got to go to the games.
• 28:30
  We've got obsessed with the Blues and
• 28:32
  you had some big characters out there
• 28:34
  that [ __ ] grabbed our attention.
• 28:36
  [ __ ] I was going to, you know, Cardinal
• 28:38
  games and stuff like that.
• 28:39
  >> How old were you at this point?
• 28:41
  >> Six, seven, eight, nine, you know, that
• 28:43
  age. Then you came back and, you know, I
• 28:46
  was a little bit older. But I didn't
• 28:47
  start hockey until I was 11, 12.
• 28:49
  >> What?
• 28:50
  >> Yeah. Are you kidding? No. You never
• 28:52
  skated before 12. At 15 or 16, he was
• 28:55
  playing junior hockey for the Sting. And
• 28:58
  I was unrestricted. I hadn't signed a
• 29:00
  contract yet. And back then, you didn't
• 29:01
  do the PT.
• 29:01
  >> You hadn't touched the ice.
• 29:03
  >> Didn't touch anything.
• 29:04
  >> But he's playing junior hockey. That's
• 29:07
  I'm helping out with the team.
• 29:09
  >> And this guy,
• 29:11
  >> it was [ __ ] hilarious cuz he's
• 29:13
  sitting on the bench and yeah, Cam, he's
• 29:14
  like he's he's he's intense, you know?
• 29:16
  He's just he hasn't changed a bit. And
• 29:18
  he had to wear the full cage because he
• 29:20
  was like 16. He wasn't old enough to go
• 29:21
  with a half visor. And so every guy who
• 29:24
  skated by the bench, he was [ __ ]
• 29:25
  yelling, "Yell, I'll take THIS [ __ ]
• 29:27
  THING OFF. I'LL TAKE IT OFF. I DON'T
• 29:28
  CARE." IT WAS HILARIOUS. So I grabbed
• 29:30
  him and I I see he's he's a gra. He
• 29:32
  wants to get after it. I go, "Hey, kid."
• 29:34
  >> I go, "Don't worry about it." I said,
• 29:35
  "Listen, just stop."
• 29:36
  >> 16 years old.
• 29:37
  >> Yeah. I go, "Don't waste your energy."
• 29:38
  Go, but when you touch the ice,
• 29:41
  >> kid everything that moves. Give somebody
• 29:42
  no choice but to fight you. They have no
• 29:44
  choice to fight you at that point. Like
• 29:46
  if you yell at people that not going to
• 29:48
  take you serious, you got a full c just
• 29:50
  run around and [ __ ] Little did I know
• 29:53
  is what he was going to do the rest of
• 29:54
  his life is run around and murder people
• 29:56
  and fight people.
• 29:57
  >> Yep.
• 29:58
  >> How long did you How long did you guys
• 30:00
  spend together?
• 30:01
  >> Me and Jane maybe. Well, he that was I
• 30:04
  don't know what year is that? 2000. Like
• 30:07
  God, you were you were in like you were
• 30:08
  doing you were in between you
• 30:10
  >> I was a free agent and
• 30:12
  >> back then like I said you didn't do the
• 30:13
  PTO thing. you waited till somebody
• 30:15
  realized they didn't have a good team
• 30:16
  and then you signed a contract. So
• 30:18
  Ottawa got to camp, whatever, and they
• 30:20
  some of their young defenseman weren't
• 30:22
  developed. They called me and said,
• 30:24
  "Hey, you want to sign?" But until then,
• 30:26
  I was helping run practices and I was
• 30:28
  skating in practice, but then helping
• 30:31
  coaching that. And so in ' 04 when you
• 30:33
  finally met the ice, you decided, I'm
• 30:35
  going to beat the [ __ ] out of
• 30:36
  >> Mike Murphy. Yes,
• 30:38
  >> I think Mike Murphy and then John
• 30:40
  Vivian.
• 30:40
  >> John Vivian, they went through a bunch
• 30:42
  of coaches. If you look at the roster on
• 30:44
  Hockey DB during the 2000 Sting year,
• 30:47
  there's 150 players that came in and out
• 30:50
  of there. [laughter]
• 30:51
  150. And we were partying. I was wearing
• 30:54
  I was wearing a [ __ ] do-agg that had
• 30:56
  skulls on it
• 30:57
  >> with my warm-ups,
• 30:59
  >> dude. I'd put it under my I put it under
• 31:01
  my helmet like cigarettes in his sleeve.
• 31:04
  >> I would
• 31:06
  16 with a do-rag on
• 31:08
  >> with with skulls on it. It was It was
• 31:10
  pretty funny.
• 31:11
  >> That's awesome. Yeah,
• 31:12
  >> you were already doing the role,
• 31:13
  >> but he like he was determined. And then
• 31:15
  I remember following him a little bit as
• 31:17
  much as you could back then, even though
• 31:19
  I was in the NHL following. Then I saw
• 31:21
  he got drafted to the OHL and then I saw
• 31:23
  that he was like beating a piss. I was
• 31:25
  like, geez. Then I saw you get drafted
• 31:26
  the NHL. It's kind of a weird thing
• 31:28
  because you know, you look back and he
• 31:30
  was just a kid when I met him and then
• 31:32
  he's then then he's challenged me to a
• 31:34
  fight [laughter]
• 31:35
  and he starts
• 31:36
  >> I was joking.
• 31:37
  >> 11 or 12 years old skating. That's
• 31:39
  unreal. You know, Ed Jovonoski was like
• 31:42
  11 years old or 12 years old before he
• 31:43
  even touched the ice.
• 31:44
  >> Yeah.
• 31:45
  >> And then at 18, he was the first
• 31:46
  overall. Impressive.
• 31:47
  >> Like Craig Cox was 13 or 14 before he
• 31:50
  hit the ice. Remember Coxy?
• 31:51
  >> Damn rightough.
• 31:52
  >> The California kid, he didn't start
• 31:54
  skating like till 13 or 14. He makes the
• 31:57
  National Hockey League before 21.
• 31:58
  >> Those are anomalies. So,
• 32:00
  >> you're an anomaly.
• 32:01
  >> You are, correct me if I'm wrong, the
• 32:03
  first St. Louisb born kid to make the
• 32:06
  NHL.
• 32:07
  >> Born and raised to play for the Blues,
• 32:08
  too.
• 32:09
  >> Yeah.
• 32:09
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the play took it
• 32:11
  took I played my first preseason game at
• 32:13
  18. So I was I started like 11 12 and
• 32:16
  then all of a sudden 6 years later I'm
• 32:17
  playing.
• 32:17
  >> But you're the first born and raised
• 32:19
  >> because there's a lot of kids that came
• 32:20
  here.
• 32:21
  >> Well, La Fontaine was born here and he
• 32:23
  left six years. So we don't count same
• 32:27
  New York. Pat Leaf Fontaine.
• 32:28
  >> Yeah. But but when we were young all the
• 32:30
  kids that I was skating with, we didn't
• 32:31
  know [ __ ] we knew who Patontaine was.
• 32:33
  I had no idea he was even. So we're we
• 32:35
  weren't like oh Pat La Fontaine made it
• 32:37
  from here. We can do it. Like that
• 32:39
  wasn't the mindset. We're just like
• 32:41
  let's just let's just do this. You know
• 32:42
  what I mean? And we didn't even know
• 32:44
  like my parents didn't know I didn't
• 32:46
  know Canada very well. I thought it was
• 32:47
  Eskimos up there. No offense to all you
• 32:49
  Canadians. I love all y'all up there
• 32:51
  especially Saskatchewan, Alberta,
• 32:53
  Manitoba.
• 32:54
  >> We call them Inu.
• 32:56
  >> I'm just saying like we didn't know.
• 32:57
  They're like, "You got to go to the
• 32:58
  OHL." I'm like, "Okay." Like where the
• 33:00
  [ __ ] [laughter] that? So it just it
• 33:01
  all worked out. My mom and dad uh were
• 33:04
  really good about that [ __ ] man. But um
• 33:06
  they were struggling for a while there
• 33:07
  cuz it did cost a lot of money
• 33:09
  >> and then all of a sudden they pay for
• 33:10
  everything and then they were chilled
• 33:11
  out for a little bit and
• 33:12
  >> that's when I got my first brand new
• 33:14
  pair of skates was when I got drafted to
• 33:15
  the OHL like I was fortunate enough to
• 33:17
  get drafted first round.
• 33:18
  >> So Brie Wolves and John Kirk I think we
• 33:20
  still remember
• 33:21
  >> Kirk still in the business. Shout out to
• 33:23
  Kirk.
• 33:24
  >> Um
• 33:25
  >> he works with Warrior. Warrior good
• 33:27
  sponsor of this podcast.
• 33:29
  >> Warrior was he worked for
• 33:30
  >> he was with Nike or with Bower.
• 33:32
  >> And so he's he grabs me. And he's like,
• 33:35
  "Hey, come on over here." I'm like,
• 33:36
  "What are we doing?" He's like, "I got
• 33:37
  to size you up for skates." I go, "I
• 33:38
  can't afford those." He goes, he goes,
• 33:40
  "No, no. The team pays for
• 33:42
  [clears throat] a pair of skates." I'm
• 33:42
  like, "What?" I'd never had a new pair
• 33:44
  of skates. My dad got them at garage
• 33:46
  sales for my brother.
• 33:48
  >> Chief Rolling Puck.
• 33:48
  >> Yeah. Chief Rolling Puck. He would buy
• 33:50
  them from my brother. And then when he
• 33:52
  would grow out of them, I'd get them.
• 33:54
  But even if they're two sizes too big,
• 33:56
  I'd have those huge wool socks in my
• 33:58
  skates playing hockey.
• 34:00
  >> Love it.
• 34:00
  >> Until and right through tier two. And
• 34:03
  then I got my first pair of brand new
• 34:04
  skates from John Kirk Bower at the OHL
• 34:07
  draft.
• 34:07
  >> That's what they Windsor asked me that
• 34:09
  too when I got drafted by them. They're
• 34:10
  like they called me the trainer calls me
• 34:12
  like Cam what kind of stick do you want?
• 34:14
  I'm like [ __ ] a right-handed one.
• 34:16
  [laughter]
• 34:17
  >> I THINK I THINK RIGHTANDED TRY LEFT.
• 34:22
  >> I COULD TRY A LEFT BUT [laughter] I'M
• 34:23
  PRETTY sure I swear to God THAT'S WHAT
• 34:25
  YOU SAID.
• 34:26
  >> I GO A right-handed one. He's like no no
• 34:28
  we have Bower, we have Sherwood. We have
• 34:30
  this. I'm like oh whatever. Just give me
• 34:32
  something.
• 34:32
  >> It's wild, isn't it? I never
• 34:34
  >> I'm only going [laughter] to two
• 34:35
  somebody with anyway.
• 34:36
  >> I remember going to my first Blues
• 34:39
  training camp. Phipe Bzon was on that
• 34:41
  team and I didn't have a stick. Like you
• 34:43
  come out of junior hockey like, "Where
• 34:44
  are your sticks?" I'm like, "I I've got
• 34:46
  one stick in my hand." And so the Blues,
• 34:48
  Terry Roof was there.
• 34:51
  So I I tried the East because I Holly
• 34:54
  had the East and the metal one. I was
• 34:55
  like, "I want to try one of those, you
• 34:56
  know." I was like, "Okay, kid. Grab it."
• 34:58
  I'm like, "Grab as many as I can cuz I'm
• 34:59
  like if I get cut, I get to take these
• 35:00
  home with me." So like four of them that
• 35:02
  I cut down and like said Phipe Bzon's
• 35:05
  blade and I really liked it and uh so
• 35:08
  then I went back to junior that's the
• 35:10
  year I had my my huge year that year in
• 35:12
  junior high using Philippe Bzon baby.
• 35:15
  >> It's wild and then you retired and I
• 35:16
  couldn't get them anymore. So then I had
• 35:18
  to like look around. I didn't have my
• 35:20
  own pattern. When you're a young kid
• 35:21
  they don't say hey what's your pattern
• 35:23
  have like a freaking
• 35:24
  >> No, it was just like a like a Patrick
• 35:26
  Kane curve like today. Very modest you
• 35:29
  know. I didn't like the huge curve and
• 35:30
  whatnot. I like kind of a more old
• 35:32
  school traditional blade for me.
• 35:35
  >> Yeah, those sticks are expensive now,
• 35:36
  man.
• 35:37
  >> What kind of What kind of blade did you
• 35:39
  like in your stick? [laughter]
• 35:41
  >> I think a right-handed move.
• 35:45
  >> I mean, [laughter]
• 35:46
  right. I think I'm right-handed.
• 35:48
  >> Then you had Sup with that uh what was
• 35:51
  that Eastston called?
• 35:52
  >> Uh the Tlex. the Tlex and Sup came in
• 35:56
  and like I played
• 35:58
  >> in the HL against him and then the
• 36:00
  All-Star game in the HL against each
• 36:01
  other and I knew he could play
• 36:03
  >> but I had no idea the way he could shoot
• 36:05
  the puck. And still to this day, even
• 36:08
  like as we get older, you come in and
• 36:10
  you get that little half clapper. It's
• 36:13
  not a wrist shot or snap shot or a slap
• 36:15
  shot. It's like a little boom and that
• 36:17
  [ __ ] comes flying off that stick.
• 36:19
  >> That's He's got that the other night
• 36:22
  skate. Like lost that one bit. You just
• 36:26
  come down.
• 36:26
  >> Lost the skating for sure.
• 36:27
  >> Well, we all lose the skating,
• 36:28
  >> but still hard down.
• 36:29
  >> That little boom. You lost sight of your
• 36:32
  penis for a while, [laughter] too.
• 36:33
  >> That's because of my cataracts.
• 36:37
  >> Give me some of that for my cataract.
• 36:38
  >> There was a reason why they make
• 36:39
  mirrors. [laughter]
• 36:41
  >> Jesus.
• 36:43
  >> Can't shave in the shower without a
• 36:44
  mirror,
• 36:45
  >> right? [laughter]
• 36:46
  >> Go back to Cam. Cam is the first St.
• 36:48
  Louis guy in the uh Hall of Fame, the
• 36:50
  amateur hall of fame. our first Hall of
• 36:52
  Fame, right?
• 36:53
  >> For St. Louis, like player. Yeah. Yeah,
• 36:55
  I think so. Yeah. Yeah.
• 36:58
  >> I I don't I don't know.
• 36:59
  >> They line up They line up all the
• 37:00
  jerseys. His one's the first jersey.
• 37:02
  >> Oh, yeah. And then they go all the way
• 37:03
  through.
• 37:04
  >> Yeah, that's that's an NHL game.
• 37:06
  >> That was a good event the other night,
• 37:07
  man. That was That was nice. Patty
• 37:08
  Maroon was in.
• 37:09
  >> Big Rig.
• 37:10
  >> Yeah, Big Rig got in and uh you know,
• 37:12
  Zuki was in. Mike Zuk and
• 37:14
  >> Donnie Lux and just they I give little
• 37:17
  Scotty Rup a shout out, too, man. and he
• 37:18
  puts on a damn good show at those uh
• 37:20
  Hall of Fame dinners. We we went
• 37:22
  >> people, man. There really is.
• 37:23
  >> Well, [ __ ] This is a hot hot bed, dude.
• 37:25
  I mean, there's players, if you look at
• 37:27
  the jerseys lined up, it's going to
• 37:29
  eventually going to be wrapped around
• 37:31
  that whole St. Charles Convention
• 37:32
  Center, dude.
• 37:33
  >> Well, what's funny is you go to Santine
• 37:36
  and you know, like when you playing the
• 37:38
  show, they had like couple Paul Stazzy,
• 37:41
  Cam Jansen, you know, now there's like
• 37:44
  20 names on this list of St. Louis kids
• 37:46
  >> tons
• 37:47
  >> that have made the NHL now and that's in
• 37:50
  a very short amount of time
• 37:51
  >> and some girls too like Joey Dunn you
• 37:53
  see in the paper
• 37:55
  >> she's going to be like the first pick
• 37:56
  overall in the PWHL
• 37:57
  >> she's a absolute rockar
• 37:59
  >> I hope they keep building that league up
• 38:00
  man they got to keep building that up
• 38:02
  and
• 38:02
  >> can I intercede I was wondering could
• 38:04
  you take us to a break because I got to
• 38:06
  go pee
• 38:06
  >> yeah I get that too we're going to go to
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