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Why GLP-1s Aren’t a Shortcut to Real Health | Everything's Energy Ep-48 · EEShow (Everything's Energy Show)

• 0:00
  Michael Scalar: You're tuned in to Everything's Energy Show. I'm Michael Scalar, the EEShow here with Roland. We're gonna have a conversation about everyone's favorite new peptide GLPs or peptides because we're really going through the original semaglutide into the trizepatide into the retaturitide or tiding. You practiced that, didn't you? I did not.
• 0:20
  But I have some experience. So a while back I was training Muay Thai and my hormone doc was like, well, you're overweight. I'm like, yeah, I've been overweight for a while. Everything is good except you're fat. I'm like, yeah.
• 0:33
  Roland: Right. Bedside manner was on point, wasn't it?
• 0:35
  Michael Scalar: I love Asians, man. They're so just like to the point. Didn't say fat. He says you're overweight. I'm like, yeah, I know I'm fat.
• 0:41
  We'll call it what it is. But anyway, so he gave me some Ozempic and this is like at the beginning of the craze. I was like, all right, I'll try it. And I remember doing, I think I lasted a week because I was training Muay Thai and Muay Thai is very high intensity training.
• 0:53
  Roland: I used to train and compete amateur and I did a couple of pro fights. It's not a light form of exercise.
• 0:58
  Michael Scalar: No, you burn through a lot of calories and energy and your blood sugar will drop if you did not eat. So I wasn't eating because I was on semaglutide. And I literally made halfway through a personal training session and for the first time ever never completed my session. The one time where I had a tap out because I literally was about to fall over. And I was like, I'm never doing this one again.
• 1:18
  So threw it away. Recently, tried Trizepatide and at a small dose, it's kind of okay. But the recommended dose I tried was way too high. And I were in the middle of a move. I obviously mentally do a lot of work in a day running a company.
• 1:37
  And I just, I was gassing. Really? Yeah, I was on it for two weeks trying it at two different doses. And I'm like, I'm done with this because I just didn't have the energy. Your mind needs fats, your body needs And I was just gassing.
• 1:50
  It was like, I turned into a zombie and it turns off some of your happy centers. So I kind of felt myself depressed the first week, which was kind of weird. So I switched to Reddit to Riot. I'm just trying playing with that right now. And the research on it seems a lot more promising.
• 2:04
  I'm not so not hungry that it's affecting my energy levels. I can eat because when I was on Trizepatide, I was like even drinking water. Like I had to force myself to put things into my mouth and it felt really, really weird. So I wasn't super into it. Everyone else has different experiences, like obviously dosing.
• 2:22
  So I wanna kind of explain some of my experiences with it as far as tips. So I was getting acid reflux at night, which was strange. So one of the hacks here is apples. The apples will help basically slows down your digestion. So anything still in your stomach, it's gonna kinda like sit there and you lay it
• 2:40
  Roland: Kinda ferments or something. Yeah, fermentation acids come back up your esophagus.
• 2:43
  Michael Scalar: Yeah, so it makes it hard to sleep if you have acid reflux. So eating apples was the hack there. Obviously activated charcoal is another hack for if this is someone's problem that they're having. And if you are trying it, I do recommend just apples are really healthy in general. So it's a good thing to, some fiber.
• 2:58
  Absorbs the acid. So it's not gonna go up your esophagus while you're sleeping, which is really important. And then there's a supplementation side that we'll get into more with you because that's your bread and butter. Now you are actually adamantly against.
• 3:16
  Roland: I'm not in favor, so I'm gonna state two things. One, no experience. So I carry a lot of ignorance in the sense of all I know about this stuff are things that I've read, which is not a ton. Secondhand experience from people that I know, which is again, moderate. And then the bias I have is that I'm kind of hippiesque, right?
• 3:38
  Like I'm very much, I don't go to the gym, I'll grab a kettlebell or a sandbag and I'll try to work out barefoot outside if given the choice. Full Jesus hippie mode. Full Jesus hippie mode. I'm sure he had some pretty cool calisthenic skills. Maybe not.
• 3:53
  Michael Scalar: Walking on water burns a lot of calories.
• 3:55
  Roland: I figured how to walk on water. Know how I do it? I'm a boat. I was moved from the front of the back of the boat.
• 4:00
  Michael Scalar: God, I wonder if it was that easier. He's walking on water.
• 4:03
  Roland: No, he's floating on a log. Judas, he's in a puddle, relax. Back to the boy. So my bias is that it's a physiologic problem. So there's no quick fixes to a physiologic problem until you figure out what the cause of the factors are.
• 4:21
  And for me, I see a potential downside with these things because they're being marketed as fast weight loss. Fast weight loss is typically a fly by night thing. Think of how many different- Yo yo dieting basically. Crash fad diets. There have been fat burners that had to be illegally outlawed because they were causing cardiovascular stress and issues with people.
• 4:43
  There used to be a non absorbable fat called olestra that they put in chips that gave people horrible GI disturbances and chronic diarrhea. Yeah, they would say, oh, well, you're not gonna absorb the calories of it. It's just terrible for the human body. Artificial sweeteners, non nutritive sweeteners that are zero calorie, but potentially harmful for the microbiome. So to me, it's like, what's the next thing that humans are trying to be lazy with and not actually do the hard work, which this conversation is beneficial because you are actually not on the side of, I'm gonna live slothfully and slobbly and do this.
• 5:20
  I'm also going to get my ducks in a row and try to change my diet, fix my sleep, supplement correctly, exercise. This is what I want to talk about with these things because I see the point for someone, I put myself in someone's shoes recently because I had to talk about this in a webinar. And I imagined myself being someone who'd struggled with weight my entire life. I've tried everything. Everything that fails is one more thing to demoralize me, right?
• 5:50
  Because people don't understand the psycho emotional impacts of trying to achieve a goal that you continuously fail at. At some point you run out of motivation. So I thought to myself, like, where's the context? Where is the appropriate place for such things? So I'm not just an absolute hater.
• 6:06
  This person who needs a win, They need to get something started for themselves so they can find the motivation, they can see a little bit of positive feedback, which drives them to hopefully change their habits and not just try to inject their way to being thinner or lighter without considering all the other variables. So I'd love to talk about some of the things that you're implementing and maybe we can evolve examining this weight loss conundrum for people because I look at it maybe a little bit differently from other people.
• 6:33
  Michael Scalar: Yeah. I mean, I'm obviously a researcher. I like to figure things out and it's a huge fad. It's been a fad. I tried it as it was coming in, kicked to the curb, new stuff came in.
• 6:42
  I'll give it a shot. Didn't really like it. The reddit ride seems to be a little more of a logical one and I've only been doing it for a couple of weeks. So I was
• 6:52
  Roland: just curious. And these are sequential evolutions, right? Like the first one was the initial launch product. And then there
• 6:59
  Michael Scalar: was the second one, there's Trizepatide was the next one everyone was raving
• 7:04
  Roland: you did not like that one?
• 7:07
  Michael Scalar: Maybe the dose was just too high, but it didn't resonate with me. And then the next one down the line is Retta and everyone was saying that was the better one. I'll give it a shot, but I'm not looking at this as a lifestyle thing. Because I see a lot of people out saying, Oh, I'm just gonna do this all year. I'm just curious in general.
• 7:25
  And then I talked to a lot of people that are like, Oh, I'm afraid of doing that because there's the Ozempic phase and people are losing their eyesight and all these different things. And I'm staring at someone in the wellness space going, Well, it's probably not the drug. It's probably the outcome that's occurring where people aren't putting things in their body and your body needs fuel. It needs minerals, it needs vitamins.
• 7:47
  Roland: So you're saying it's a starvation induced problem. It's a deficiency as a necessity of not eating creates deficiency.
• 7:55
  Michael Scalar: Well, it's like they're giving themselves scurvy, like they're
• 7:57
  Roland: not eating anything. Yeah, micronutrient deficiencies, healthy fat deficiencies, protein deficiency. Because this is my question. How do we know it's a result of the behavior changes that are causing these problems? Or how do we know that it's not the drug or the pharmaceutical agent itself?
• 8:14
  Because in the well- It's
• 8:15
  Michael Scalar: hard to say,
• 8:16
  Roland: but- In the medical industry, is this habit of ten, fifteen, twenty years after the fact we go, Oh, we didn't know this. We're sorry. Sorry.
• 8:28
  Michael Scalar: Sorry, we're going to my Canadian roots. No, it's true. Doctors are prescribing this and I got mine off of telemed. I didn't even talk to a doctor and there was no handbook. It's, know, do your It own is kind of trippy, but even if you were to sit with a doctor, very rarely, most of them have no idea what nutrition's about.
• 8:45
  They don't study nutrition. Actually get between
• 8:48
  Roland: eight and ten hours in a four year medical school residency. Minimal. That's eight to ten hours in four years. That's like two days. And not to say none
• 8:57
  Michael Scalar: of them will give you a great advice on what to put in your body, but normally it's here's your drugs, go have fun. And you take someone say that's three hundred pounds overweight, whatever. And they eat fast food, they're addicted to Coca Cola, just your typical American, like really bad diet. Then you start injecting them with stuff. They're already more or less nutrient deficient because of their general diet.
• 9:21
  Then you factor in that they're not getting anything from anything now because they've just pretty much cold Turkey gone on a crazy fast. So what would occur then is you're gonna have all that fat storage dumping the toxins of all that junk food into their system. Body's gonna
• 9:36
  Roland: have to detoxify it and they're not gonna have the because detoxification is an active process. This is what people don't understand. They're like, oh, I'm gonna fast and I'm gonna detox. If you have an adequate store of nutrition in your body, you have B vitamins, you have minerals, you have amino acids, because detox is a very much an amino acid dependent process, you might be okay. But most people need nutrition to detoxify.
• 9:59
  So imagine you have a bunch of toxins trying to fit through a doorway and they all, boom, they all hit the doorway at the same time. I'm remembering the Simpsons episode where Mr. Burns was, because he had so many illnesses, his illnesses were keeping him in balance, but one thing that have killed him and he thought he was invincible. But the reality is if someone is trying to get things out of their system, they can create a detoxification backlog, which can cause more oxidative stress, more downstream consequences to the health of the physiology.
• 10:28
  Michael Scalar: And fat typically will surround negative things in the body to protect the body from it. So if you're then going into these stores that have literal garbage in them.
• 10:37
  Roland: Yeah, they're like a storage depot for toxic material the body can't get out. And you know there's an order of operations of how the body stores fat, right? You know this?
• 10:45
  Michael Scalar: Go for it.
• 10:46
  Roland: So you have subcutaneous fat, which is fat underneath the skin. And that's actually a healthy store of fat for emergency energy. Everyone has a threshold of how much they can store there. The next level is visceral fat. Visceral fat is what covers organs.
• 11:02
  And that's when you start to get all the metabolic changes. So let's say someone has a high visceral fat content, this is where they can have nonalcoholic fatty liver syndrome be a thing, it becomes a metabolic organ. So it starts producing estrogens and these things called cytokines, which are signaling molecules for the immune system to recruit inflammatory processes in the body. It dysregulates insulin, it dysregulates glucagon, it dysregulates cortisol, all of your signaling hormones, and it starts to become something that essentially makes the health and vitality of all these cells of those organs less efficient at burning energy. So having visceral fat makes you better at storing fat because the body's getting that perpetual signal.
• 11:42
  If you fill up your visceral fat content, then you start stuffing fat in the organs. And this is when you have true metabolic obesity. They call it metabolic syndrome or syndrome X. This is where you have my four hundred pound life kind of TV shows that are centered around this and the body has to lose the fat roughly speaking in that order. You have to burn it in the tissues and you have to burn the visceral fat around the organs and then you get to a healthy body composition to where your visceral fat levels are low and you just have I think for a female it's somewhere between 1622% body fat is healthy.
• 12:16
  For a male it's somewhere between depending upon genetic background, eight to 15%. And that's where I think most people should aim to be.
• 12:25
  Michael Scalar: Yeah. Let's get back to like, people are gonna use, I mean, in general, I already alluded to that the hard part here is you're probably not gonna be able to work out because you're just not gonna have the energy and it is hard to put it in your So for a lot of people, I really don't recommend any of these drugs. And I'm not a doctor. None of this is medical advice. This is just our observation.
• 12:47
  Roland: Don't take advice from a guy on a podcast. That's the third thing that people say in this series of events. You should
• 12:52
  Michael Scalar: never take advice, but we're just having a conversation. I love working out and it feels miserable to be in a calorie deficit in the gym. It literally, you're just like, Ugh. So for a lot people that this probably isn't the best thing to do. Go with the hippie route, go with grounding, lifting kettlebells and sandbags in the grass.
• 13:11
  I think that's the better route. If you are gonna explore this, I think there's healthy ways to do it. And I think we should have a conversation about that. I don't think doing it long term. I think using this as a fasting assist, like a catalyst, I wanna call fasting assist.
• 13:25
  So take a week where you're not gonna have to do a lot of work, where you know you can manage your energy levels and provide yourself with the proper nutrition. So like a juice fast for one week on this stuff would probably be a breeze because I've done so many juice fasts, like the first two days you're like, suck food. So you're like, I just wanna eat something. But if you were on this stuff, you'd literally just be like, I don't even know if I wanna drink that juice.
• 13:52
  Roland: Is it that powerful? It's really that influential over your hunger signaling.
• 13:56
  Michael Scalar: The Trizepatide was tremendously, I didn't wanna put anything in my mouth, which is amazing to say you're a fast food junkie because the thought of greasy food, like fast food would They actually assigned nausea medicine with it. I didn't take it. I didn't get the script. I was like, I'll be fine. But I could literally feel myself.
• 14:19
  Like if I was gonna go to Taco Bell, I probably
• 14:21
  Roland: would have thrown up. Which is usually what happens when you go to Taco Bell anyways. I'll have
• 14:25
  Michael Scalar: a whole another story on fast food. But I think if people are gonna play with this, they should do it in short stints. Because a lot of people are doing these for like one to four months. So if you're gonna cycle it, maybe try at least start off dedicate a week where you're kind of or do a first week at a really low dose so you can feel it out. And then once you've kind of got your dosage correct, just go for a full blown like master cleanse or gallbladder cleanse, something like that.
• 14:54
  And use the assisted protocols. There's a lot of supplements out there that people can take to assist them with the detoxification. Because again, I've done the hardcore fasting in my life and it's pretty miserable. This stuff would probably would just be like, but typically when I was on these fast too, my energy levels were really, really low. It's like just walking up a hill is like, oh my God, I'm dead at the top of the hill.
• 15:15
  Normally, you have a protein shake and some oatmeal and you're like, I can do this 10 times a day. That it's no energy levels and the brain fog factor. Like I think so much in the course of a day, you'd need to figure out maybe some avocado or cocoa.
• 15:29
  Roland: Yeah, a little bit of healthy fats. So what you're saying is use this as a catalyst to starting your weight loss journey. Do it in a short order as you can justify. So basically you're saying take the minimum effective dose to get yourself started, then get off
• 15:43
  Michael Scalar: of it. And see, well, that's one way or take, you might not notice much or anything off your first dose. Some people I've heard say that to me. And so then they scale up and then some people go way too high. You really wanna feel every body is different.
• 15:56
  So you wanna feel out where you're gonna go with it and what's gonna be an optimal range. I've heard of other people doing micro dosing of it just to reduce their hunger a little bit. That could be an option. But for me as being someone who's on fasting, I just thought, wow, if I could just drink lemon juice with a little bit of maple syrup, your master cleanse for a week or two on this stuff, it'd probably be a breeze, but you can't be functional and on a diet. If you're not gonna be a construction worker or a CEO.
• 16:25
  Roland: Yeah, you can't be high performance on a
• 16:27
  Michael Scalar: diet long term, I agree. Or really in general, you're not gonna be able to perform. That's part of the problem here. So if you're gonna diet, then set aside some time to actually do a proper diet. And in that, you're gonna need the right mineralizations, proteins.
• 16:44
  If you're doing a diet, you're gonna need the minerals. You're gonna need the supplements. If you're not gonna be on a full blown diet, you're gonna at least need to try and balance your carbs and your proteins so that you have some sort of energy. And you literally have to force yourself to eat this stuff being like, I know I need this. Otherwise I'm gonna fall over.
• 16:58
  Let's go through some of the supplement. Do you know of any good supplements for people who are, if they were going to want to detox to assist with things getting out of the body?
• 17:06
  Roland: Yes, so the first thing that you wanna look at is supporting the in and out process, right? So digestion elimination, if you're not pooping on a regular basis, I mean, we've done an episode on poop and all associated things and we laugh at it, but all joking aside, that is the main way that your body gets toxic material out of your system. Like fecal matter is a way to take toxic material, stick it to something, bind it with fiber and remove it from the body. So you have to be pooping, you have to be hydrating and vacating urine on a regular basis because the kidneys are another pathway. Breathing properly, believe it or not, breath and the dynamic balance between oxygen and carbon dioxide and the releasing of breath can be a way to very minorly supplement the process.
• 17:52
  And the fourth pathway is sweating.
• 17:54
  Michael Scalar: Yeah, mean, a big fan of saunas. Those
• 17:56
  Roland: are Yes, infrared specifically because with an infrared sauna, your body's absorbing the light energy and it's internally heating up. It's dilating blood vessels, it's dilating lymphatic vessels and it's getting stuff out of your body through your pores. So I would say that would be the first thing in terms of detox support. The second would be looking at key nutrients to help with two things. One, oxidative stress, three things actually, two, energy, B or C rather, actual detoxification support directly, which is typically amino acid dependent.
• 18:25
  Some free form amino acids.
• 18:27
  Michael Scalar: How do they get those?
• 18:28
  Roland: You can either get them as a powder, you can get them as tablets, as capsules. Like BCAA or? Not BCAA. There are typical products that have detox focused amino acids. So they're more of the sulfur containing amino acids, N acetylcysteine or acid in acetyl methionine, probably some glutamine, some taurine for helping the gallbladder and the liver work.
• 18:51
  And there are certain herbs that work well, turmeric, ginger works well, milk thistle, artichoke, things that help you produce bile because bile is also a cleanser and a detoxifier of the small intestine through the liver. And I would also say that people would probably wanna think about some dietary strategies while they're detoxing too. So, and this is probably beneficial across the board for people who wanna lose weight. The biggest offender to dysfunctional physiology is blood sugar swings, big deviations of blood sugar.
• 19:21
  Michael Scalar: Ironically, are diabetic meds, so they actually help balance the blood sugar, which is part of, but you're right that you don't want those swinging.
• 19:28
  Roland: Well, and I think this is so important because if you're gonna take these things, you're going to push the balance of hormones in your system in favor of the ones that support weight loss. So the body cannot lose weight if insulin is always high. Insulin is high because blood sugar is high. And if you have high insulin, high blood sugar, perpetually, you'll have high triglycerides. So your body's in a fat storing mode.
• 19:49
  So you're basically a storage machine and your body's, even though this is the ironic thing about people who are overweight, even though they have energy on their body, they're starving because their body's not getting energy from the food they're eating efficiently is being converted. So, excuse me, keeping your blood sugar low by avoiding simple carbohydrates, processed carbohydrates, white flour, white sugar, things that are going to excessively raise your blood sugar quickly. Even an organic rice cake is going to raise your blood sugar through the roof. Even a brown rice cake is because of how quickly your body can break down the carbohydrates. So focusing more on the low glycemic carbohydrates, root vegetables, if you're gonna do grains, do them in smaller quantities because grains have a high amount of carbohydrates per serving.
• 20:32
  And then focusing a little bit more on healthy fats and proteins and fiber with your meal, because those all lower the speed of how fast your body can digest and absorb glucose, which is carbohydrates. Fruits are actually much lower on the glycemic index typically, vegetables have carbohydrates but they have minimal impact on blood sugar. So making dietary choices around those kinds of things not only help with lowering insulin, lowering blood glucose levels and promoting more glucagon which breaks down blood sugar and breaks down stored fat but it also supports detoxification
• 21:06
  Michael Scalar: That's part of the retriever. It actually works with the glucagon. Glucagon raises blood sugar and mobilizes stored energy. So apparently it has a great effect on fatty liver and things like that.
• 21:20
  Roland: The only one out of
• 21:21
  Michael Scalar: the GLP's that actually facilitates that, which is fascinating.
• 21:25
  Roland: That's what Metformin's purpose has always been to stop your liver from making glucose. Because when your liver makes glucose, it puts it into the bloodstream and keeps your blood sugar elevated. So your pancreas is always making insulin. And when insulin is high, you can't burn fat.
• 21:38
  Michael Scalar: So it's you were talking about poop. So let's talk more about poop. Okay. Actually, of the side effects is constipation and it recommends psyllium husk. I drink coffee, so I didn't really notice that.
• 21:50
  I've been pretty regular, although I haven't done this significantly. But if you don't eat, you typically can't poop because there's nothing to nothing to go. But then we can go a little further into the poop category. I just love saying poop. Sorry, guys.
• 22:00
  You're not We're gonna have fun with it. Go go for some enemas and colonics, get the impaction out because part of the problem there too with getting a proper nutrition is you have so much impaction in your colon that you're no longer have the absorption rate. So things can go, put all these things in, it'll go straight through you because the impaction's blocking. The door.
• 22:17
  Roland: That's also part and parcel of people who have issues with weight management too. They may think they're going regularly or that maybe they go every day, but they might not actually have efficient bowel function. And when you don't release that waste material, it actually becomes possible that your body reabsorbs things in the bloodstream that gets into the various tissues and cells of the body and it becomes mitochondrial toxic. Oh no. I know and it sounds very complicated, but it's a very simple concept.
• 22:45
  Anything that inhibits your body's ability to make energy in a cell makes your body less efficient in taking calories and turning them into ATP which is the body's energy currency. And as that happens, your thyroid will slow down. So there's a like it's a triangle very, so to speak of digestive function, energy metabolism, regulation of body mass and weight. So even just working on supporting your digestion and your bowel health, if you're on this or not, can help people lose weight. And I think in this, this is my big worry because I think these things affect the vagus nerve to some degree.
• 23:20
  There's some sort of inhibition or tranquilization or there's a word I was looking They're
• 23:26
  Michael Scalar: saying it affects the happy centers of the brain. Like so you're self rewarding your food. So there is something weird going on there.
• 23:33
  Roland: Yeah, that's my worry because the vagus nerve is what innervates all the organs of digestion and it allows for an efficient signal of optimizing how your digestive system functions as a whole. So if you're paralyzing, if you're temporarily paralyzing your vagal tone, that can have some downstream consequences. So in my mind, it's even more important that you nail all the bases and get them right So you support your body and whatever stress it's gonna have to deal with if you're using something like this. Again, this is my bias to where I'm like, this is
• 24:02
  Michael Scalar: No, I mean, it's good information. This is why I kind of strayed away from it with the first two ones. And I was like, again, being the researcher I am, I'm like, everyone's doing this stuff. So I'm kind of curious and I could stand to lose some weight, but I don't think eating is really my problem either. It's more of just having a high stress life because I actually don't eat a lot and I eat relatively healthy.
• 24:21
  The only time I've ever actually been in great shape is when I was literally training Muay Thai like every single day. It's just mental. I think a huge part of that was being a vegetarian. I'm really just bad at getting my protein complexes. I'm a carbitarian,
• 24:34
  Roland: which Well, that's does not the challenging part about being a vegetarian is you have carbs with a side of carbs and a little bit of protein with And carbs are not the problem, carbs have been vilified forever. And before that it was fat and eventually protein, which is really important right now will be vilified and the cycle will complete. But the hard part with being on a carb heavy diet is if you already have some degree of insulin resistance, eating more carbs is gonna compound the problem no matter what kind of carb it is, unless you can get your insulin levels under control. So I think it's really important that people- Well,
• 25:04
  Michael Scalar: guess these meds for me might actually help with that because they're-
• 25:07
  Roland: They might be the perfect storm for you because for personal beliefs, that's why you don't eat meat, right? You're not doing it because you think it's-
• 25:14
  Michael Scalar: No, I've fought many times. Really want to like start eating fish or something because then I would be able to get the right amount of protein because it's like getting a 100 grams of protein as a vegetarian in a day, it's really difficult.
• 25:25
  Roland: So from a calculation perspective, the average plant food has four to eight times the amount of carbs to protein. So unless you're taking amino acid supplements or some sort of vegan protein powder, if you want a 100 grams of protein, but it's also like four to 800 grams of carbs in a day.
• 25:42
  Michael Scalar: Yeah, no, it's, I mean, there was a week where I was like trying to pound protein shakes just to try and get my numbers. And I was noticing a little bit of difference in the gym, but it was making me feel sick because it's so hard to drink that much protein shake.
• 25:55
  Roland: It's also a lot of processed stuff. Protein shake is a processed food. So I
• 26:02
  Michael Scalar: don't, unfortunately, unfortunately it is just I was raised vegetarian or vegan and now I eat cheese. At least they've given me some protein.
• 26:09
  Roland: It is what it is.
• 26:10
  Michael Scalar: I'm like literally like, can I eat fish? Can I do it? I just
• 26:14
  Roland: I'll be with you if you wanna try it for the first time. I'll hold your hand.
• 26:18
  Michael Scalar: It's a weird concept, but we'll get back to it. There was actually a list of supplements in here that they were kind of recommending.
• 26:27
  Roland: Let's go through that. I'd be interested to hear
• 26:28
  Michael Scalar: what Number they have one obviously. So your target is one hundred, one hundred and fifty grams a day. If you don't wanna put anything in your mouth, that actually sounds like a lot.
• 26:38
  Roland: And that's dependent upon the person, right? Like if you're a one hundred and three pound five foot two female versus you're a six foot two, two twenty pound guy. It's gonna be very different in terms of protein.
• 26:49
  Michael Scalar: Electrolytes are obviously extremely important. Minerals and electrolytes huge. Dehydration, you need to fight that. So the electrolytes are gonna be huge and just drinking enough fluids one way or another. Sodium, potassium, magnesium, very important.
• 27:04
  Magnesium, extremely important because we're talking about the constipation part again. Muscle cramps. I actually did notice I had a couple of like really gnarly muscle spasms one day. Was like,
• 27:15
  Roland: While you were exercising or just out of nowhere?
• 27:18
  Michael Scalar: I think it was like out of nowhere. I was like laying in bed and just had a muscle spasm in my leg.
• 27:21
  Roland: That could be a mineral thing. So you're saying adding some potential salt, like some Celtic salt to your water or some sort of electrolyte.
• 27:30
  Michael Scalar: Maybe magnesium in the evening is optimal because it's gonna help you fall asleep. What else do they have in here? They have fiber. So psyllium husk, apples have fiber too.
• 27:39
  Roland: You know what, actually that's a really good thing. Fiber is not fiber. So when you're trying to eat, make sure that you vary the kinds of foods, the plant foods, the fruits and vegetables that you're eating, because different kinds of fibers are two things. There's going to the bathroom and there's taking care of your gut health And you have this thing in your gut called the microbiome. If things are being stagnant within your gut because you're not going on a regular basis, you may want some fiber to help support the prebiotic fibers, help support keeping your gut health and the bacteria in your gut healthy and happy.
• 28:09
  Michael Scalar: Yeah. And I've seen a lot of content about these drugs and no one ever talks about any of this, like almost at all. It's mostly just like, go do this stuff. It's great. Inject it.
• 28:17
  Keep injecting it. B vitamins, obviously really important, especially for vegetarians, zinc, selenium, iodine. Iodine is gonna support the thyroid. Trace minerals, where's Danian? Trace minerals?
• 28:28
  Always important trace minerals. Vitamin D three. I mean, people should be getting maybe ten minutes of sun each day. I'll give you some D.
• 28:36
  Roland: Right now around the entire country, it's April to be made from the sun. I was outside all day today. We're on our amino.
• 28:43
  Michael Scalar: So we have omega threes. And oh, I love this one, creatine. Actually, I did hear a lot of the bodybuilders who are on Reddit talking about if you're not doing creatine, you're doing it wrong. I love creatine. Instead of having a second cup of coffee, I'll have creatine or I'll mix the creatine in with my morning coffee at cold brew.
• 29:00
  I've noticed a lot more cognitive energy in being able to stay focused in meetings since I've started taking creatine.
• 29:08
  Roland: And it also preserves muscle mass. So there's two functions. There's a neurological benefits, especially as you age, but it preserves muscle mass because it allows you to have more energy and you can stay more anabolic.
• 29:18
  Michael Scalar: And that's really important because that is one of the side effects of the GLPs is you lose muscle. So people are losing all this weight. A lot of it you're actually losing muscle because you're pretty much going into fasting lethargy and you're not mobilizing. You're Which slows your metabolism over
• 29:33
  Roland: time because muscle is metabolically active. You wanna maintain as much muscle as possible within reason and lose entirely or as much fat as you possibly can.
• 29:42
  Michael Scalar: And this is kind of why I wanna have this conversation too, is a lot of people are taking this stuff, losing muscle and losing fat and then coming off of it and gaining it all back. You need muscle to stay in shape because it's gonna burn the calories. So really, and that's why I'm really kind of pointing out if you are gonna do this, use it as like a cutting phase, I guess.
• 30:02
  Roland: Well, that statement alone, it shows you that people are not changing their lifestyle habits. And if you're gonna do this, it's just gonna be the next thing that didn't work if you don't actually facilitate change to make health the priority. Because weight loss is a function of health and vitality. I'll explain what I mean. If you have the ability to lose weight fairly easily, it means you have health and vitality because you can kickstart your body out of a place of stress and stagnation because your cells are healthy, your muscles are healthy.
• 30:31
  If you have a hard time losing weight, it's because your tissues and your cells and your organs are unhealthy to some degree. Stressed out to some degree. You're riding the cortisol train, not respecting your body with food, lack of sleep, lack of exercise, whatever. If you're not going to change your lifestyle habits, this is going to be another failed attempt and you will try something even more extreme in the future. So I like that you've gone through this because you said it very well.
• 30:55
  People are just doing these things without just hoping for the best.
• 30:59
  Michael Scalar: It's like every fat diet. People jump on the train, really doing any research and their friends are telling them, take this drug and you're gonna eat this giant bag of bacon all through the day and you're gonna lose weight. Then end with a heart attack. I mean, these are relatively new drugs. I think retrient hasn't been FDA approved, but they are selling it through pharmacies.
• 31:18
  So it must be close or something. But I've known people that had great results. They're typically actually doing things in tandem. So they have a healthier lifestyle than average people. Think a lot of the average people are, again, your general person who's fast food all day, Coca Cola instead of water.
• 31:36
  Them doing this stuff as a weight loss mechanism is probably gonna backfire because they're gonna cycle right back in the negative results. So really what we're talking about here is a lifestyle change, learning to supplement correctly.
• 31:48
  Roland: It's about getting your health back. The weight loss is a symptom of being healthier.
• 31:53
  Michael Scalar: That's it. Well, and there's a good conversation to have here as well as being skinny doesn't equate to being healthy. So don't worry if you are a little overweight because that might actually be healthy for you. You don't wanna be obese. There are different body types.
• 32:07
  Roland: Like my body type is more ectomesomorphic. So I'm the kind of person, if I fast, I will lose muscle really quickly. Building muscle takes an excessive amount of calories and a lot of work for me to the point where it's like, it's not fun to do that. But if there's a famine, I'm going first.
• 32:24
  Michael Scalar: So what am I then? You would be more
• 32:26
  Roland: of meso endomorph. So you can add weight of either kind, fat or muscle rather quickly, but it's harder for you to take off, but you also retain muscle more effectively. So you will have that metabolic rate to some degree being fortuitous for you in your back pocket, you'll probably keep more muscle into your later years.
• 32:48
  Michael Scalar: I would be strong like
• 32:49
  Roland: You'd be strong like bull, yes. Well, it's funny because you said it best, there are different body types, there are different body habitus, if you will, where there are patterns that you see and being skinny doesn't equate to being healthy because you can be skinny with a high body fat percentage. You can be skinny to the point where your body doesn't have the ability to get fat. And those are the people who drop of heart attacks in their 40s and 50s, but there were no warning signs. So it's a very nuanced topic.
• 33:21
  Fundamentally, if your body composition, your body fat percentage is high to the point where it's affecting your blood chemistry in a negative way, you're probably not in a good state. If it's affecting your quality of life, your mobility, your happiness, your athletic performance, your overall satisfaction with the way you look, it's probably not optimal. But it doesn't mean that everyone needs to be single digit body fat with abs, striations visible when they take their shirt off. You have to figure out where your body wants to be naturally. What would you do if you didn't have to exercise and you didn't have to necessarily manipulate food all that much?
• 33:56
  Where would your body wanna stay? And everyone's got their own set point. So I think that's a really wise thing. Don't project an unrealistic ideal upon yourself because every body is different.
• 34:06
  Michael Scalar: Absolutely. Well, there was one more thing that I found in the research that's recently coming out there. They're talking about the GLPs being positive for anti cancer effects. My thoughts. Really?
• 34:17
  I was like, I don't know about that, but then I thought about there are people out there having good results with actually fasting with cancer. So, I mean, this is a theoretical question. Again, we're not medical experts, consult your doctors, shamans, gurus, and medicine people. And chat GPT. And chat GPT.
• 34:37
  Yeah. But I thought it was interesting because I do know people that have been had a lot of great health results for different conditions through fasting. And maybe that's really where these people are having potentially positive results is really that they just stopped putting the junk in their body that was feeding it.
• 34:55
  Roland: Well, I'm gonna try to explain this simplistically. There's a teeter totter relationship in the body between building and breaking down, right? Anabolic growth, catabolic breakdown. Cancer is an unregulated growth problem where you have cells that are replicating at ridiculous speeds that eventually become a tumor and then they can metastasize and go everywhere. And one reason why fasting is supposedly beneficial is your immune system is not dealing with the assault of the things that are coming in and your body's not using all these energy resources to digest and deal with just running your metabolism.
• 35:27
  It has the ability to clean house. So it's a breakdown dominant way of living But the benefit is you have this process called autophagy where the cells start to recycle old material and your body, believe it or not, we have cancer cells in our bodies right now and our immune systems are selecting a delete process for all of them as quickly as they can because cancer cells are a normal part of just living. If you fast, you're basically bringing blood sugar, glucose levels, insulin levels down low, and you're taking all of your energy resources and directing it towards immune function to help renew and regenerate the tissues in your body. So if what you're saying, and I'm assuming they're not making the claims that it's the drug as a catalyst for
• 36:11
  Michael Scalar: It's pretty new. Kind of alluding to it being the GLPs,
• 36:17
  Roland: but my thoughts is the- The fasting process. I agree with you there because cancer cells metabolize energy differently and cancer cells have to thrive off of the only macronutrient that can be made without the presence of oxygen, which is a glucose molecule. Cancer cells don't make energy like a healthy cell does. A healthy cell can burn a fat or a sugar. So a healthy cell can actually help you lose weight because it metabolizes the stored energy on your body in the form of fat.
• 36:42
  A cancer cell has a dysfunctional metabolism where they need glucose. So if you're eating high quantities of glucose, lots of carbs, your insulin levels and blood sugar are always high, they have a food source. Fasting also starves them out. So not only do you have the immune system going, hey, need to get rid of this one, this one, this one, and this one, when you starve something, it dies. Dies.
• 37:03
  So mechanistically as a catalyst, I could see why that would be the autophagy as you
• 37:10
  Michael Scalar: were saying, I think really is the key point there because in that process, the healthy cells are prioritized to stay there and cancer is an unhealthy cell. So it's gonna be
• 37:19
  Roland: like, your food. And also if there's a biochemical influence of stored toxins and various things in the system, when your body's in breakdown mode, it will accelerate trying to remove said things from the system because cancer is not just a food problem. Cancer is a multitude of different influences that we still don't fully understand.
• 37:41
  Michael Scalar: Yeah, it's a lot of factors. I mean, someone could have been raised near something with radiation or ingested a small particle of something that was actually an isotope of some sort
• 37:50
  Roland: and it just fasters. Parasite connection, there's a molds toxicity connection, there's emotional aspects of unhealed trauma. So I don't wanna make this reductionist as saying like, just fast and you'll never have any worries, but.
• 38:06
  Michael Scalar: Yeah, it's environmental, your products, your environment cancer is created through your environment, which is yourself and your surroundings.
• 38:12
  Roland: 100%. But mechanistically, can see how that could be a positive catalyst. That's if the research checks out. All dependent upon that. Yeah, it all depends upon it.
• 38:23
  Well, this was
• 38:23
  Michael Scalar: a great conversation. I think it was really enlightening hopefully for everyone out there. If you guys are out there trying these GLPs and you have some tips and tricks, drop them in the comments. If you are completely adamantly against this stuff, also drop it in the comments. Let's see what everyone has to say about the miracle drugs.
• 38:40
  Roland: If you want to get healthier and you're on these things, go in an EE system.
• 38:45
  Michael Scalar: Oh yeah, mean obviously we can plug it. Go for an EE system. I mean obviously if you're low energy and you're fasting you're probably gonna need that to help with
• 38:53
  Roland: the detox. Managing that cortisol response and that stress response is a key factor in weight loss. The body under stress is gonna be in high cortisol. High cortisol is gonna break down blood sugar excessively, cause insulin to go up. So there's a multitude of benefits.
• 39:06
  Michael Scalar: All the reasons to go to EES-
• 39:07
  Roland: All the good stuff.
• 39:08
  Michael Scalar: All right, thanks everyone. Like, comment, subscribe, we'll see you next time.