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Drop & Give Me 1 Episode 195 · So There I Was

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  Quiet, numbskulls, I'm broadcasting. Hello, you're listening to the podcast, so there I was.
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  This is episode 195.
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  Drop and give me one.
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  Only in the Air Guard will you hear. Actually, what was that?
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  The Institute of Military Science?
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  I think, yeah, Academy of Military Science. Academy of Military Science?
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  Like it matters, but yeah. Right. Drop and give me one. Oh my goodness,
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  I can't believe. How awesome is that?
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  What a fun show we had with Chubbs, who flew A7s in the Ohio Guard,
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  then on to F-16s, had a wonderful career at the airlines where he was managing
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  director of training for the MD-11 and did all kinds of stuff and verified one
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  of my stories about a captain last week who was less than congenial with his crew in...
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  Less than excellent with the cockpit resource management skills. Exactly.
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  You know, sometimes. What are you going to do? Sometimes good shit happens to bad people.
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  Exactly. In this case. So a couple quick notes. I have set up a Venmo.
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  Four-foot. yeah yeah amazing amazing true artist,
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  All-American made by DC himself. To have him join us as a sponsor.
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  So we talked all kinds of things. A lot of airline stuff, you know,
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  about how much mergers suck because they do. Yeah. There's not one good thing about it.
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  Everybody hates everybody. No. Okay. So both airlines survive when maybe one
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  or two wouldn't otherwise.
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  But yeah. But, you know, at least, at least hatred is spread. but among the ranks.
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  And then, you know, it's, and then there's some good ones, but it's always hard. Change is hard.
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  And when you're merging two airlines, it's probably, it's never easy.
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  Because we talk about seniority and why seniority is important and why,
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  well, plain and simple, mergers suck because they screw with your seniority.
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  So we talked briefly about Bacchus who flew west this week, as they say.
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  Show 118 put the thing on the thing so god bless bacchus and your family sorry
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  to see him go tailwinds brother yeah exactly,
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  He talked about a lieutenant assault vehicle, which was off the charts funny.
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  Don't ruin it. Don't say anything else. The lieutenant assault vehicle. It assaulted.
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  That's all I'll say. That's a great story.
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  You know, in the typical life of a professional cargo pilot.
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  Right. And what crazy schedules and crazy things you actually do.
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  Right. And especially when you do it at his level, which was what we call a pathfinder.
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  We talk about him being a pathfinder and all the extra fun that that entailed.
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  So I think we shouldn't talk about it anymore. We should get out of the way
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  and let Chubbs talk about it.
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  What do you think, man? Well, let's get out of the way. Let's do it.
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  Don't don't go to the cockpit without briefing your FO. Don't do it.
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  Don't lay down on the futon without extra blankets.
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  Without extra blankets.
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  So there I was, 1,500 feet out from the airport in Stansted,
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  England, with a student in the right seat of the MD-11 on his IOE.
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  And as we're coming in, he had to do a 50-flap landing.
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  So 1,500 feet, five miles from the end of the runway, we go from flaps 35 to
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  flaps 50, and the airplane rolls up to 45 to 60 degrees in a left-hand bank.
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  No. No.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  No, fuck no. That sounds horrible. That's a giant airplane that loaded the ground.
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  That big angle of bank. Oh, my God. It was horrible.
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  Okay. Well, holy shit. That is a terrifying So There I Was opener.
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  Welcome, everyone, to So There I Was. This is Fig. I'm coming to you from Denver.
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  Where's my cohorts?
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  I can't hear you. Co-host is home in New Hampshire tonight where it's fixing
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  to get scary cold as they put it on Seinfeld where he wears that big puffy jacket.
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  I don't have my big puffy Gore-Tex jacket like George Costanza,
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  but man, it's going to get that way.
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  Greetings, everybody. Repeat here and thrilled and honored and privileged to
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  welcome to the show with us tonight, Chubbs.
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  Coming to us from... Fort Lickerdale, where I'm guessing it's not quite as cold,
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  but it's awful cold for Florida.
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  It is, man. It's raining and windy. What's considered cold for Fort Lickerdale, Chubbs?
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  About 65 degrees, I guess. I don't live here. I'm just on a trip. So it's snowing at home.
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  All right. Well, holy shit. Well, I'm glad you're there and safe.
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  And that's a terrifying, fucking terrifying opener. Right. So repeat.
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  Well, the good news is you didn't start out as a Czech airman on the MD-11,
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  which we both love that airplane.
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  It was definitely a varsity airplane, and we talked about that before.
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  But where did you start out in airplanes? Whence did you look in the sky and go, I want to do that?
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  So I grew up in Groveport, Ohio, right off the end of the runway at Rickenbacker Air Force Base.
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  And playing little league baseball. We'd look up in the sky and watch tankers
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  flying over all the time.
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  And I didn't realize at the time there were F-100s and A-7s.
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  And my favorite teacher in high school flew World War II fighters.
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  And I took an aviation course from him my senior year in high school.
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  But I really didn't plan on doing any flying.
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  And then I enlisted in the Guard because I need money to go to school.
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  Found out that you could fly in the Guard.
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  That they actually select their own pilots. yeah so
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  it's kind of cool i got i got to fly at home overhead pattern
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  went over my parents house i went flew with two guys with the high school with
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  what were you flying a7s no shit that's fucking badass man overhead pattern
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  over my parents house man yeah how much fun is that i That's so cool.
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  Dude, Bagel had that up. Was that a picture of Ohio Guard?
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  That was a Rickenbacker A7. No shit. Look at that. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Let me take the banner now. But yeah. I flew that numerous times.
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  It's a nice looking jet, man.
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  It is, man. It was a squadron commander's jet.
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  Single engine, single seat attack, nothing finer. Flying low and slow.
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  All right. I want to come back to that. So when did you go to flight school? What year was that?
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  So I went to Columbus, Mississippi in January of 1982.
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  Graduated in November. Actually, November 30th of 82.
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  Then went to Fighter League and then in Alamogordo, New Mexico,
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  Holloman Air Force Base. And then for three months, they went to Tucson for
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  six months to learn how to fly the A-7.
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  Was that where the RAG or the RTU was? The RTU. Yeah. Yeah. That was Tucson?
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  Okay. So it was a guard deal, right?
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  And the guard, if it was a good deal, they would extend it. If it was a shitty
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  deal, they'd make it short.
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  So officer school and the guard at that time was in Knoxville.
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  It was only six weeks long instead of three months.
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  And then RTU, when the Air Force had the A-7, it was three months.
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  The Guard made it six months and didn't add an event to the syllabus.
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  That's back when the Guard was awesome, right? Oh, yeah, because they had this big stamp, you know.
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  I don't know if you saw it, Fig, when you were in the Guard,
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  but if there were regs that the Guard didn't like, they just had the stamp said
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  not applicable to the A-NG, and they stamped it on there.
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  I never saw that stamp. Oh, yeah, so a book would be like this in the Air Force,
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  and the Guard would be like that.
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  Nice. Yeah. Oh, yeah. How awesome is that? That was a good old day.
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  That was some common sense.
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  It was a flying plane. I mean, well, it really was. So three months of school
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  all crammed into six months. That's fantastic. It was. It really was.
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  Maybe fly once or twice a week.
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  You've got to tell us. Right? I know, right?
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  You've got to tell us, though. I mean, six weeks of officer school,
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  it had to be grueling. Tell us about it.
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  Yeah. It was really grueling. Knoxville, Tennessee, the Academy of Military
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  Science, it's a guard officer school.
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  Six weeks. Yeah, the first week, I guess the fun part, the first week, it was all fun.
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  On Friday night, it was hell night.
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  Oh, okay. Yeah. A friend of mine and I were in the gym playing basketball,
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  and we heard this commotion. No ladies at the Oak Club?
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  We couldn't go to the Oak Club then. Wait, hold on a second.
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  You're at Officer Candidate School, and Friday night you're in the gym playing basketball.
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  So all of a sudden, my record's off the – Well, wait until you hear this big.
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  There's commotion outside.
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  My friend Dave and I are saying they're looking outside, and it's like – and
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  one of the guys that worked in the gym, he goes, you guys might want to go out for that.
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  So it was hell night, and we're out there on the parade ground,
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  and the instructors are giving us a bunch of shit, and one of the instructors
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  looks at one of the – The officer candidate says, drop and give me one.
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  And everybody lost their shit. The instructors will have to go, okay, we're done.
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  But the good thing about that, you know, the old barracks where you have,
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  you know, the two stories, you've got a day room in the center.
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  Yes. Well, on the second floor, there's a gold bar, they called it.
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  And that was the opening of the gold bar. And it was open for every night from 8 to 10.
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  You go up there, you can drink all you wanted. The last call was 10 o'clock,
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  you buy a six-pack at 10 o'clock at night.
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  That was off.
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  So, okay, so hell night started with some kind of commotion.
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  You went out of the gym and then there was the, there was some ruckus and it
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  was all right, get down and give me one.
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  Drop and give me one. Give me a pushup.
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  And that was that. That was that. Dude.
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  So bad. So wait till you hear the rest of this big. So on week four,
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  the honor flight could go to the O club and go off base.
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  On week five, everybody else could go to the O-Club.
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  So we would go with our flight commander and we drank with him.
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  And then the last week, because we could go off base, because we started out
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  on our flight and our goal was to graduate. And we went from the top to the bottom.
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  And so the last week we drank with our flight commander and we drive him home.
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  That was it. Wow. That was AMS. So there's no crazy stories.
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  I mean, nobody freaked out and DOR'd and left.
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  No, it was too easy.
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  It was. Now I know for a fact that had I known about the Air Guard,
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  I would never have flown in the Marine Corps.
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  It's the best kept secret in the world. How many officer candidates were in your class, roughly?
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  Oh, God. I think there were 76.
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  I think maybe. Was it just one class there at a time type thing?
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  Yeah, one class at a time. so you're there for six weeks and i think they took
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  a week off then they bring another class in for another six weeks wow so i i've
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  been to knoxville and i stayed where you stayed when i was doing some advanced
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  pme shit for the guard they had everybody there we were doing this,
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  accelerated course you'd stay there for a week so i'm pretty sure i stayed pretty
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  much where you guys were you know professional military education yes thank
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  you for that and that and that was pretty nice area.
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  It was It is. It's a wonderful area. You know? And so now knowing that that was where.
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  Academy of military science ams is
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  that what you call it yeah the academy we really
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  fucked up repeat the academy the academy the
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  academy of military science well that's outstanding
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  so from there you went to upt upt well
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  i went to flight screening first in hondo texas okay okay
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  tell us about that what's that process like
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  yeah what's that look like so so you go down to hondo and so
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  the air force had their flight screening program there and that
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  at that time we stayed the medina annex of
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  lachlan air force base and that was where their officer school was so they had
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  fish pots the guys the people that are going through flight screening they call
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  them fish pots so they had their own dorm and then you had the the ots students
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  you know officer training school students on the same campus.
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  That's the active duty positive training.
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  So we show up first day we go to the fish pot dorm and because we've got academics, right?
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  We walk in the dorm and this guy says, room 10 hut!
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  And all of us just braced up against the wall. There's like 8 or 10 of us.
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  And we stand there for what seemed like five minutes. All of a sudden,
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  we looked like, wait a minute, he called the room to attention for us.
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  Because we were lieutenants down there.
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  You're locking your body up for yourself. Oh, that's great. We were.
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  So it's a month down there. And we had a great time because on Friday night,
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  I think there were eight of us.
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  And we had all gone to officer school together. so two guys
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  each weekend were responsible for getting a car and we'd
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  rent a car and go downtown san antonio on friday night okay that
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  doesn't sound bad first weekend we were there i i
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  get back home and saturday morning i got bruises all over my body oh no because
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  at the old hemisphere where they had the world's fair and i think was 68 they
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  still had bumper cars well we had been drinking and we decided we're gonna ride
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  the bumper cars well i don't know why not we beat the shit out of each other.
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  So what what'd you call that time down there?
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  Pre-flight screening? Flight screening? Flight screening. What was the airplane you guys were flying?
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  T-41. Cessna 172. The Air Force version of it. Okay. And was the purpose was
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  just to make sure you didn't get,
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  you know, constantly air sick. The purpose, it was for people that I didn't
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  have a license when I went down.
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  So the Air Force does it now. I think it's in Pueblo, Colorado.
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  And they sent, they used to send people to an FBO to get their license.
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  Then they moved to Pueblo after they closed Honda.
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  And it was just to see if you had the capability to make it through a pilot train.
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  Okay. Yeah. There's no guarantee. Sure. Right.
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  So, yeah, just an orientation, I guess, more than anything.
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  Yeah. Yeah. You soloed. I think, I know I soloed there. I was there a couple
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  of months ago with the job that I was working at that time.
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  And first time I'd been back since 1981.
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  So was it changed a lot or was it?
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  The Air Force, well, the Air Force has gone there. So yeah. Okay.
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  I don't remember it that much. I mean, I was, I was so oblivious to anything around me.
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  I totally get it. I understand. I'm not going to, I'm not going to press you on that. But thank you.
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  I thought Hondo, Texas was way the hell out of the middle of nowhere.
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  That was just, is it just outside of San Antonio?
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  It's about an hour out of San Antonio.
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  Okay. Okay. Yeah. We take a bus every day, you know.
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  And if you had a, most of the time you only flew once. If you had a long day,
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  you know, you got to go to the great restaurant that was in town, Sonic.
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  That was the only thing they had. Yes. The. Yes. The. The Sonic. Thank you.
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  Wow, okay. And then on to UPT after that?
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  On to UPT, Columbus, Mississippi. Okay.
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  So you and Fig were practically neighbors. Fig was a meridiot?
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  Yeah, I was a meridiot. When were you there?
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  Oh, you were there a couple years. I was there, I got there in the fall of 88.
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  Okay. I got there, actually, yeah, August of 88. September, August of 88.
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  You're long ago by then, I'm sure. August of 88, I was getting off probation
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  at my first real airline job. Awesome.
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  Awesome. Can I say the name, Pete, since they're not around anymore? Flying Tigers.
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  Flying Tigers. That's a precursor to another big airline, I do believe.
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  It is. The international portion of that other airline.
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  So the original Flying Tigers, what kind of aircraft were you flying?
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  I was a 7.4 engineer, 747, for five and a half years. Okay.
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  Yeah. So well, and you know, the beauty of the guard is that at that time,
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  the air force had a six year commitment for graduating from pilot training when I graduated.
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  Okay. And I got hired at Tigers a year and a half before anybody in my pilot
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  training class could get out of the air force.
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  Yeah. Oh yeah. How about that? And as you guys know, seniority is everything. Everything. Right.
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  Yeah, that's money. That's so, that is so money.
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  Every day is a number and people don't think that that's true, but it is true.
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  The guy that hired you the day before you will always have a better schedule than you. Always.
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  Yeah. But you know, Pete, you know, there's a thing, you know,
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  you have a good schedule if it's what you like to do.
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  Right. And because I had guys who were senior to me, people at the old place
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  I retired from and they were senior to me, but they didn't like to do what I
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  like to do. So I got what I wanted every month for my last five years.
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  Nice. It was. When you retired, what number were you?
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  54, I believe, in the company. Number 10 on the 777. That's pretty fucking awesome. Yeah.
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  But you know what it means? It just means I'm old.
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  I got hired before everybody. But I mean, it's awesome because I know what that
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  means. That means you had a great quality of life. Let's just put it that way.
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  I did. I did. I would bid trips that had a deadhead at the back end,
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  and I would get home at least a day early from the schedule.
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  Hey, for our non-airline pilot listeners, what does that mean,
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  deadhead on the back end?
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  So the company at the end of the trip would schedule a flight on an airline.
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  And so I would go from pretty much Asia back, and I lived in Arizona at the time.
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  So they'd fly us back to either LA or San Francisco, and we could change our
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  flight so we didn't have to do what they scheduled all the time.
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  And so instead of laying over in San Francisco, I'd schedule something that
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  got me home where I'd get to San Francisco, just switch airplanes and go home.
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  Right. So I'd get home at least a day early. Oh, that's great.
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  Bagos dropping pictures of probably six years. That picture is in there too, yeah.
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  That 7.4 on the tail. Had a 7.4 on its tail, yeah.
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  I believe that's in Frankfurt, and they had a pallet slide through the back
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  end of the airplane. Oh, shit.
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  Yeah. So, yeah. I mean, that's why you still go into Cologne,
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  and UPS has these great big poles that extend down from the back of the 747
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  to keep it from landing on its tail when they load it back.
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  So did that happen when it was stationary?
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  No. Or was it taxiing and it rolled? Oh, it was taxiing. No, that was takeoff.
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  What? They rotate, and the cargo shift, and the captain was able to reject.
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  And it ended up on its tail just like that. Yeah.
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  I believe that's that picture of it. Yeah.
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  Well, good for him getting it stopped then because we all remember the horrible video out of Baghdad.
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  Or not Baghdad, Bagram, where National Airlines had a cargo shift that killed that whole crew.
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  That was horrific to watch. Horrific to watch. It was. It was.
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  It's a positive attitude. Who put that up there?
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  Somebody's comment. That's dicks. That's a comment in the thing,
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  which was actually… Hey, the Reverend Barry Moore is on here.
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  Hey, Barry Moore. There you go.
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  Barry's in there. But earlier, Diz said he remembered the DC-8s.
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  You ever fly the DC-8s at Tigers?
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  No, I did not. They started buying them right before I got hired.
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  And then when they were bought by another company, they got rid of the DC-8s
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  after, I think it was a couple of years.
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  Okay. so that was guys told stories about the DCA it was just incredible,
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  I still remember. So I got there after about five years after Flying Tigers
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  was born, but it was still pretty hostile in the cockpit every now and then.
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  You'd get a purple guy and a silver guy and think, man, they're going to have
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  a fist fight and I'm going to get my first landing.
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  I'm a flight engineer, but they're going to knock each other out.
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  I'm going to get a landing.
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  You know, I never saw any of that, Pete, because I stayed on the 7-4 for another
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  three and a half years after the merger.
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  So I was just flying with Tiger guys.
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  Okay, I'm going to show my ignorance here. And I thought that it just morphed
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  into that other airline. I didn't realize there was a merger.
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  No, $750 million.
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  That's what it cost. Bottom out rate, yeah. So how many pilots got rolled into
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  how many pilots? Do you recall?
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  Roughly about 800 each seniority list. Oh, okay. So pretty much went one for one.
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  You know, the guys that got hurt the most were the fairly mid-level Tiger guys
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  because Flying Tigers had bought Seaboard World,
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  and they merged those guys, and they got put pretty much to the bottom because
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  they were junior, and now they lost more seniority with the merger.
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  But they ended up doing well, you know? Yeah.
• 24:59
  But the lawsuits ended somewhere around 2003, if I recall. Oh,
• 25:03
  my gosh. Is that when it was?
• 25:04
  Yeah. Yeah, there were lawsuits flying for decades.
• 25:09
  Well, those things are never easy. And for our non-aviation,
• 25:14
  non-airline listeners, when you merge two seniority lists at airlines, even...
• 25:21
  Someone's always going to be pissed. No one's going to be happy. Yeah, no.
• 25:25
  And it can be very emotional. It can be very... Well, you know,
• 25:30
  if you don't have the right attitude, it'll ruin your life.
• 25:32
  You'll be angry for the rest of your life. Which is no way to be.
• 25:38
  And in some cases, justifiably so. I mean, you know, I had a buddy,
• 25:41
  he was at TWA, and they got bought by American Airlines.
• 25:45
  And of course, he wore the American Airlines uniform for about two months, then got furloughed.
• 25:50
  And there were guys hired after he got furloughed that were flying the line.
• 25:55
  And he was still out on furlough. And so he, needless to say,
• 26:00
  he resents American and he, and he resents the union who sold them out because
• 26:04
  they thought he believes that the union was sold out to TWA guys in order to
• 26:11
  get favor with the American pilots,
• 26:13
  hoping they would come back into the union.
• 26:16
  So weird. Yeah. My only thing on that with the TWA is what did they do to the
• 26:20
  Ozark pilots when they bought Ozark?
• 26:24
  You boys sit over there in the corner when we get to you that's right,
• 26:31
  what goes around comes around I hate to say that but Fig put it right,
• 26:38
  someone's going to be miserable we went way sideways.
• 26:46
  Let's come back for a second I'm going to ask Chubbs when you were fighter lead
• 26:51
  in or whatever you call it when you're flying the A-7. The T-38.
• 26:56
  Oh, T-38. Before you went to RTU. Flight school. Was there any fun happening
• 27:00
  there? Yeah, any crazy shit happened?
• 27:03
  Not really crazy shit. It was just a lot of fun. I mean, the craziest thing
• 27:07
  that I had happen, in all honesty, because it's pretty benign,
• 27:10
  you know, I mean, you're learning how to fight.
• 27:12
  You know, that was pilot training. There we go.
• 27:15
  And there are four of us in there that work with Pete, so –,
• 27:20
  Oh, no kidding. All right. Yeah. But anyway, at fighter lead-in.
• 27:23
  I had a picture of his T-38 class up on the screen for the listeners.
• 27:27
  So two things happened at fighter lead-in that were kind of – one day we're
• 27:33
  going to the range, and the instructor that I had was an old A-7 guy.
• 27:38
  So the flight commander is briefing the flight, and he looks at me and he goes,
• 27:42
  hey, would you explain about offset aiming for me?
• 27:45
  Which offset aiming is, as you guys know, it's based on, you know,
• 27:48
  your wind correction and how you're going to aim to drop your bombs, right?
• 27:52
  I look over at my instructor, and he kind of chuckles at me,
• 27:55
  and he goes, and just chuckle, and I look at the flight command,
• 27:59
  and I go, it doesn't mean shit to me because I'm going to be dropping computed bombs.
• 28:04
  He looks at me and goes, fuck you, and asks the next guy the question.
• 28:13
  Right? Yeah.
• 28:17
  I mean, the other method was TLR, right? That looks about right.
• 28:21
  Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I mean, dropping computer bombs with the A7 because
• 28:25
  it had an INS, inertial navigation system, and the A7 was a great bomber.
• 28:32
  So I'm like, yeah, I'm going to be dropping computer bombs. I don't care.
• 28:36
  Who's top speed on that? Was it right at my point? The A7? Yeah.
• 28:41
  Uh about 9.9293 it
• 28:45
  was not supersonic okay you know i don't
• 28:48
  think you can even get a supersonic in a dive because of
• 28:51
  that big mouth in the front of it it was a big
• 28:53
  speed break yeah as as where
• 28:56
  the intakes on a harrier but you could get the harrier to 1.0 well
• 29:00
  i don't know at least
• 29:03
  the harrier had a pointed nose yeah it did yeah yeah
• 29:07
  no i i got a harrier to 1.02 or
• 29:10
  something like that got my ass chewed for it so i
• 29:16
  couldn't get it to go straight down
• 29:20
  full pound i couldn't get it to go of course
• 29:23
  you know it was probably pilot technique well
• 29:26
  i also did it on a slick bird and on a pmcf oh
• 29:30
  well okay then there's that all right
• 29:33
  i had probably with no shit hanging off
• 29:36
  the off the wings you can do that sort of thing yeah yeah
• 29:39
  you can oh man so so was
• 29:43
  the was the rtu in tucson was
• 29:46
  it a that was the guard was there international people
• 29:50
  flying no not in the a7 okay not
• 29:53
  in a7 i i went out to tucson in the.
• 29:56
  Guard in january of 89 and they
• 29:59
  had just gotten dutch students then so and
• 30:03
  at that time part-timers weren't allowed to fly with dutch
• 30:06
  students because that was the contract that the dutch signed and january 89
• 30:11
  did you go out there to be an instructor yeah i did oh nice i spent my last
• 30:15
  five and a half years there i was one of the lucky ones they offered a 15-year
• 30:19
  retirement in 94 and i pulled the cord man i'm out of here wow yeah.
• 30:27
  Well, how many hours did you get? There you go. Speaking of guys being happy
• 30:32
  and unhappy, I got 16 good years, and I didn't even get a boot in the ass. Yeah.
• 30:36
  Well, I had two and a half years of enlisted time before I went to pilot training.
• 30:40
  So I got 1,500 hours in the A7 and 300 hours in the F-16.
• 30:45
  We completely glossed over the whole enlisted time thing here.
• 30:49
  I'm assuming that was also in the Ohio Guard?
• 30:51
  In the Ohio Guard, I loaded bombs for two and a half years.
• 30:54
  Okay. That was so much fun. It really was.
• 30:59
  Because we got to go. I love to travel, and I got to go wherever the airplanes went sometimes.
• 31:05
  How would they move you around? They pick you up in a C-130 and take you out
• 31:08
  there a week ahead of time so you meet the planes when they came in?
• 31:11
  So we would go. The state airplane was a C-131, old Convair.
• 31:17
  They had C-123s in the reserves at Rickenbacker. And I remember we flew from
• 31:21
  England to Rickenbacker one day, and it took like eight hours.
• 31:24
  They had to stop for fuel. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 31:30
  That's about right.
• 31:33
  Let the clocks back. Everybody needed a shave and a haircut by the time they
• 31:39
  got to where they were going. Yeah.
• 31:41
  It was a air guard, so maybe not. Okay.
• 31:45
  There you go. Okay. And a question from Barry is CCIP in the HUD in the A-7.
• 31:53
  Barry, I believe that it was the first airplane that dropped computed bombs.
• 31:58
  And I know CCIP was incredible in the A-7.
• 32:02
  Constantly computed impact point. Yeah, it was in the A-4 or in the Harrier,
• 32:06
  too. Son of a bitch, it was accurate.
• 32:08
  That's where you put the thing on the thing. Just put the thing on the thing.
• 32:12
  Oh, so the A-7 had a, you had the bomb fall line up and down,
• 32:17
  and then you had a line that came up, and when it intersected your target,
• 32:22
  that's where you dropped.
• 32:24
  Okay, yeah. Because the F-16 had a circle, and you put the circle over the thing.
• 32:29
  Just put the thing on the thing.
• 32:31
  And I want to take, I'm sorry, just a second here to acknowledge we lost Bacchus this week.
• 32:38
  Bacchus' show, 118, I believe, and that show is entitled, You Put the Thing on the Thing.
• 32:44
  Bacchus was fighting cancer a year ago when he visited with us.
• 32:48
  A little, actually, closer to two years ago. Was it that long ago?
• 32:53
  Yeah. It doesn't seem right. Yeah, it was 2024.
• 32:56
  And, uh, Bacchus was a retired brigadier general, retired Boston air Boston
• 33:01
  center supervisor and retired also from what a great gentleman.
• 33:06
  You would never know that the guy was a general officer in the military.
• 33:10
  Just as humble as can be happy, as happy as can be to pour you a cup of coffee and.
• 33:16
  Do anything he could for you. And what a great gentleman. So our first to Bacchus and his family.
• 33:23
  Episode 118. Put the thing on the thing. Put the thing on the thing.
• 33:27
  Anyway, I'm sorry. I've taken us down a sad rabbit hole.
• 33:31
  It doesn't have to be sad. We can celebrate him, man. The man was awesome.
• 33:36
  Yeah. Here's to Bacchus. Raise a glass, man.
• 33:39
  God bless you. Throw a nickel in the grass.
• 33:44
  All right, then. Yeah. Okay. F-16s. So when they transitioned to the F-16s, you were there for that?
• 33:52
  Yeah. Well, when I got out there, they already had F-16s. So they were running
• 33:56
  two RTUs, the F-16 and the A-7 at the same time.
• 33:59
  And then the Air Force phased out the A-7s after the first Gulf War and about
• 34:06
  94 was, I think 94 was the last A-7 flight in the Air Force or in the GARP.
• 34:11
  And so it was 92 that I went through F-16 school. So I had to take seven months off from work.
• 34:19
  And it was, the transition was fairly simple.
• 34:24
  We had to have a hundred hours from the time we started until we finished,
• 34:27
  including the instructor course so we could teach.
• 34:30
  Okay. And, but the difference, I could go in Tucson, fly in the A7.
• 34:37
  I could be gone for a week or three or four weeks and come back.
• 34:41
  And within 15 minutes, I felt comfortable in the airplane.
• 34:44
  The F-16, I would go for three or four weeks, come back, and it'd take me about
• 34:49
  a week before I started getting comfortable again.
• 34:51
  Okay. Because I flew the A7 as a lieutenant. I flew a lot, you know? Yeah.
• 34:55
  Yeah. Okay. Right. It was like a nice pair of jeans, your old pair of jeans. Yeah. It was. Yeah.
• 35:03
  Well, I would imagine the F-16 was probably a lot more HOTAS,
• 35:07
  hands-on throttle and stick and computer. It was.
• 35:09
  Yeah, that was. As opposed to just flying.
• 35:12
  Yeah, you had to learn how to do all that stuff. I mean, that was more of the
• 35:16
  air to air. Dropping bombs is easy, man.
• 35:18
  So the A-7 was a pilot's plane. I mean, you had to fly it. The F-16 was fly-by-wire.
• 35:25
  Yeah. Well, the other thing, the A-7 would talk to you. You could feel the airplane.
• 35:30
  You know, you're making turns, and you could feel the airplane.
• 35:33
  It would talk to you. The F-16 was so smooth and clean, you had no idea what
• 35:36
  you were doing, speed-wise, unless you looked.
• 35:40
  Okay, that could be scary. That makes sense, actually. Yeah.
• 35:46
  And as they say, you got – or more than one person say you voted in the F-16.
• 35:51
  You didn't fly it. Yeah, there are three votes, man. You got one on it.
• 35:54
  It would go, okay, I'll give you this. Three votes, you got one. That's right.
• 36:00
  Oh, that's great. So, you ever hear the reason the F-16 has a candid seat like 30 degrees?
• 36:10
  In the cockpit. And the story they say is it's for pulling G's. It helps you. Okay.
• 36:19
  Yeah, the seat was too big. Was it also to get your head out of the way of the canopy?
• 36:23
  Oh, no. It was – the seat was too big, I think, to go straight up and down.
• 36:31
  Although refueling in the back seat, the probe would be right over your head.
• 36:37
  I mean, you're looking at it, hoping that they don't hit the canopy.
• 36:42
  Right. With the boom. Oh, shit.
• 36:46
  Yeah. Yeah, because the Air Force, they fly the boom into the receiver as opposed to Navy Marineway.
• 36:52
  Oh. We don't put the thing in the basket.
• 36:55
  Yeah. What about, so let me ask about ejecting. So if you're sitting back like
• 36:59
  that, if you pulled the handle, were the rails canted as well,
• 37:02
  or were the rails more straight up and the seat was just canted?
• 37:05
  I don't remember, to be honest with you. Yeah.
• 37:09
  It'd be interesting to see what the...
• 37:17
  The whole thing is you put your head back against the back of the seat when you eject.
• 37:24
  Right. As opposed to putting it down between your knees and kissing your ass
• 37:28
  goodbye. That's right. You do that when you're floating down. That's right.
• 37:33
  And the chute doesn't open. Yeah.
• 37:36
  I have a question to ask before we get too far down range. and I forget,
• 37:42
  I got an annotation here so I don't forget, Chubbs.
• 37:47
  How did you get Chubbs as a call sign? So that was the other story at Holloman.
• 37:52
  They had an operational readiness inspection, ORI, and so we had to go weigh in.
• 37:57
  And when I was in pilot training, I was always on the Fat Boy program.
• 38:00
  I had to go up every Monday morning with a great friend of mine who was at our
• 38:06
  old company, Pete, and we'd weigh in. We were never overweight,
• 38:10
  but we were within 10% of our max.
• 38:12
  So we had to go in and weigh in every Monday.
• 38:15
  Well, I'm at Holloman and they do the weigh in and they send a letter back to
• 38:21
  Rickenbacker and it goes up on the bulletin board in the squadron that,
• 38:25
  hey, he's within 10 pounds of his max.
• 38:27
  Well, one of the guys was down at MacDill in Tampa and he saw this ad in the
• 38:34
  newspaper, Chubby's Pizza. Yeah.
• 38:37
  So he puts it on the bulletin board and one of my buddies who was a former weapons
• 38:42
  loader and pilot, and he goes, oh, Chubbs.
• 38:47
  So that's how I got my call sign. That's that. Nice.
• 38:54
  We're putting up the picture under the HeFat General Store. In Kauai. In Kauai.
• 39:02
  That's fucking awesome. Yeah. Oh, man. Hey, you got to embrace it, man. Hey, man, I do.
• 39:10
  You can't fight it, you know? Oh, well, it's like shark. It's like blood in the water.
• 39:14
  If you try to fight something that they give you, you know, it's going to stick
• 39:19
  even worse. Matter of fact, it could get worse.
• 39:22
  Right? Yeah. Yeah. So my buddy, the name, his call sign is Butthead. There you go.
• 39:31
  I think Chubbs is an awesome call sign compared to Butthead.
• 39:34
  I think Chubbs is an awesome call sign, period. That's great. Thanks, man.
• 39:40
  Oh, man. You say the ladies at the club gave me that one.
• 39:47
  Hey, I don't think they'd say that. Oh, well, you know. Hold on a second.
• 39:50
  I don't get it. What do you mean? I'm getting a chubby.
• 40:00
  I know. I'm a sick bastard. I embrace it.
• 40:06
  Oh, man. Gee whiz, that went downhill.
• 40:10
  Oh, you know what else we passed up here? One of the notes you gave us was the
• 40:15
  Lieutenant Assault Vehicle.
• 40:18
  I'd like to hear about that, and then we want to chat about our sponsor.
• 40:23
  So the Lieutenant Assault Vehicle was not my vehicle.
• 40:27
  One of my buddies at Rickenbacker bought an old Crown Victoria police car.
• 40:34
  I think it was like $200 or $300. Landshark, that's right. And so the first
• 40:39
  time my ride in it is with our ops officer. We're going up to the security police.
• 40:43
  And Otis, my buddy, had just bought it. So when he'd step on the accelerator,
• 40:46
  he hadn't bolted the seats in yet.
• 40:49
  So we'd go flying backwards and stuff. You know, it still had the siren.
• 40:53
  You know, so they would go through at least two rear tires a week because they'd burn out places.
• 41:02
  Is we went up to Ohio State for water survival and stopped at one of the guy's
• 41:07
  houses in Upper Arlington, which is a really nice neighborhood in Columbus by Ohio State.
• 41:12
  And all of a sudden, we get ready to leave. And there's this cloud of smoke
• 41:19
  like an animal house, you know, when the cake comes through.
• 41:22
  Yes. Cloud of smoke with the siren going and just boom, we go.
• 41:27
  So, but at an air show, the Thunderbirds were there.
• 41:31
  And one of the old guys, older guys, we called them old guys there.
• 41:34
  They were young bucks and old bucks at Rickenbacker.
• 41:37
  And the young bucks were basically the lieutenants below. And the old bucks
• 41:42
  were majors and above. Captains were kind of in between.
• 41:47
  And at the air show. Depending on whether they were dicks or not,
• 41:49
  they were old bucks or young bucks. Yeah.
• 41:52
  The lieutenant's assault vehicle. So Lieutenant Salt Vico was camouflaged by the paint shop.
• 41:59
  And so at the air show, he gets stolen a couple of days before the air show.
• 42:04
  And on Saturday or Sunday, I forget which day at the air show,
• 42:08
  there's an announcement made that, you know, this car needs to be moved so the
• 42:13
  Thunderbirds can perform.
• 42:16
  Well, then five minutes later, you need to move this car.
• 42:20
  And then it's like my buddy, they announced his name. You need to move your car.
• 42:24
  Next thing we know, there's a helicopter flying over the middle of the air between
• 42:29
  the two runways at Rickenbacker with a car hanging below it.
• 42:32
  And I'm standing next to my buddy like we're laughing, right?
• 42:35
  They released the car. And it starts falling.
• 42:39
  And my buddy's like, wait a minute, that's my car. The trunk opened.
• 42:43
  His fucking clothes were flying out of it.
• 42:45
  And it hits the ground, smashes. Next day, the Sky Cops, you know,
• 42:50
  you guys know how Sky Cops are because they got a real good sense of humor.
• 42:53
  The car was maybe knee high. It was flattened that much. It's sitting in the parking lot in ops.
• 43:02
  And they come and they go, whose car is this? And one of my buddies,
• 43:06
  he goes, well, it's my roommate's.
• 43:09
  And so they write up the report. and his name that we ended up calling him Nick
• 43:15
  because we called him by his nickname. So they write down, Chip, nickname.
• 43:20
  And that was it. That was Lieutenant Assault Vehicle. And it went everywhere.
• 43:23
  I mean, there were times where you'd go out. We'd all go out,
• 43:27
  you know, to bars and stuff, the young guys.
• 43:29
  And somebody would borrow the keys. They'd go out, start, you know,
• 43:33
  burning rubber and blow a tire and walk inside with the siren still going.
• 43:43
  Oh man. Did he ever get his clothes back?
• 43:47
  I don't know if he did or not, but then they bought a hearse.
• 43:50
  So the money he got from it, because the old guys took up a collection,
• 43:54
  the young guy said, we're not paying for anything. Cause you guys screwed up.
• 43:57
  You're supposed to have a replacement for it to drop. And they didn't.
• 44:00
  So he bought a hearse and the hearse's name was Herschel.
• 44:05
  Of course it was. Why wouldn't it?
• 44:10
  That's fantastic. Well, and that makes complete sense.
• 44:14
  I heard all kinds of stories. Every squadron had a car.
• 44:18
  Every guard squadron had a car. I didn't know this. They called them IFR cars.
• 44:25
  Any kind of weather, you could just drive them. That was the one because my
• 44:31
  buddy bought it. It was his car.
• 44:36
  He lost his car at an air show. Well, that's a story. You don't hear that every day.
• 44:41
  No. And so it got stolen. You say it was stolen. Was it really stolen or did
• 44:44
  it get misappropriated for a while?
• 44:47
  So one of the guys in the squadron took it. And one of our guys was a Columbus police officer.
• 44:53
  So he kind of covered for him and said, hey, told the police station,
• 44:56
  if you get a call from this guy that his car is stolen, don't worry. We got it covered.
• 45:04
  Fantastic. Yeah. And put fixed by a collection. So that's, uh,
• 45:09
  you know, that's how USAA started, right?
• 45:11
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• 45:17
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  That was a slick little jet. holy smokes all
• 49:07
  right well back however here to Chubbs because he's got some some good stuff
• 49:12
  to chat about what where to go I've got some great stories here to talk about
• 49:19
  you know what so I told this story last week about a particular ornery,
• 49:27
  captain who was not real into having relief pilots on his airplane,
• 49:35
  And he would tell relief pilots, I don't want to hear from you.
• 49:39
  If you have something to say, turn the checklist sideways. Wait till I acknowledge you.
• 49:42
  And then I will take your input.
• 49:46
  Otherwise, sit there, shut the fuck up, and we'll go from there.
• 49:50
  So you're describing an absolute master at the art of cockpit resource management.
• 49:57
  Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 50:00
  Well, Chubbs happens to know that story is true. And Chubbs is the guy who took
• 50:05
  his airplane from him and went to England one night. I can't wait to hear this.
• 50:10
  Chubbs, would you tell us how all that came about? What do you know about?
• 50:14
  Yeah. How did it wind up getting to you? Of course, you're a Czech airman at the airline at the time.
• 50:22
  How did it wind up even getting to you? So I happened to be in the scheduler's office one morning.
• 50:29
  And the MD-11 standards manager comes into the office and said,
• 50:35
  hey, I've got to get this guy a line check tonight.
• 50:37
  Unfortunately, I wish it was
• 50:38
  Stansted, but we end up going to Atlanta out and back, AM out and back.
• 50:42
  I hate those. There's a good Stansted story about this guy, though.
• 50:46
  And so the standards manager looks at the schedule and goes,
• 50:49
  I've got to get somebody to do it tonight.
• 50:50
  And I happened to be in his office, and he wanted to have a standards check. Couldn't get small.
• 50:56
  No, I couldn't. And the scheduler goes, well, Dougie's here. He can do it.
• 51:01
  And so the standards manager goes, yeah, I'd rather just have a checker.
• 51:06
  And he looks at me and he goes, I will be in at seven in the morning.
• 51:10
  I know you'll do the right thing.
• 51:13
  Well, we show up. I show up an hour before showtime, which is like 2, 2.30 in the morning.
• 51:20
  If I was going to go to Atlanta and then lay over, you know,
• 51:23
  or sit there for like an hour, an hour and a half and come back and get back
• 51:25
  into Memphis about seven in the morning.
• 51:29
  So we go. I show up an hour before. I see the captain roaming around the crew room.
• 51:36
  And about five minutes before showtime, I see the first officer and I knew the
• 51:41
  first officer I'd flown with him before.
• 51:43
  And I came up to him and said, hey, man, I'm going with you guys tonight. His face turned white.
• 51:48
  And I'm like, what's going on here? What are you worried about?
• 51:52
  He goes, well, he busted a checkride. I busted a checkride. I said, dude, you're fine.
• 51:57
  It doesn't involve you. As long as you're going to try to kill us.
• 52:00
  Yeah. And he told me, he goes, I've been flying with the guy for two months.
• 52:03
  I go, really? I go, well, at Showtime, I said, where is he? He goes,
• 52:06
  oh, he's out at the airplane sleeping. Yeah.
• 52:09
  I don't have a problem with the guy sleeping on the airplane,
• 52:11
  as you can see, or Pete probably showed that. As long as it's in flight.
• 52:15
  Yeah, yeah. Well, even then, he had everything ready. But in the flight operations
• 52:21
  manual, there's a meet and greet where you meet your crew members,
• 52:23
  you go on the flight plan, the weather, and everything else.
• 52:26
  Well, this guy told me, he goes, yeah, he goes, I've been flying with him for
• 52:28
  two months. And he goes, the first time I met him was ACARS chimed on the airplane
• 52:33
  with the weight and balance.
• 52:34
  And he woke up and I introduced myself to him.
• 52:37
  I said, really? He goes, yeah. I said, okay. So I, luckily that night,
• 52:42
  the duty officer was in the crew room and I went up to him and I said,
• 52:45
  Hey, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to pull this guy off the airplane.
• 52:48
  But I said, would you go out with me? He goes, you want me to do it?
• 52:50
  And I go, no, I just want you to be there in case something happens.
• 52:53
  You know, I've got a witness.
• 52:55
  Go out. Captain, sound asleep. He's back like this in the seat,
• 52:59
  which is a good position to sleep.
• 53:01
  Not that I've ever done it in that airplane, but you know. Yeah.
• 53:04
  You've had friends here that. Yeah. I've had friends.
• 53:10
  So anyway, he, I, I tap him on the shoulder.
• 53:13
  I introduced myself and I said, you know, you just busted a line check.
• 53:17
  And he goes, what do you mean?
• 53:18
  I, and I read the chapter and verse, you know, of the flight operations, man.
• 53:23
  And I, he goes, well, I do this all the time. I go, that's the problem.
• 53:28
  Cause he checked airman from another airplane that complained about the lack
• 53:32
  of communication in the cockpit the morning before.
• 53:35
  So we boot him off the airplane that He goes back inside, comes back up.
• 53:41
  No, I was going to jump seat. Yeah, I was going to be in the check.
• 53:44
  You know what I'm saying? A jump seating check airman?
• 53:46
  Yeah. Reported it? Yeah, the day before. So that's how it got to you. Yeah.
• 53:50
  And so, moving from the flight, he comes back about five or ten minutes later.
• 53:55
  He'd left something on board. He's a perfect gentleman, you know.
• 53:59
  But then, you know, he goes inside and calls crew schedule. He says,
• 54:03
  hey, you guys got anything for me? Because I just got pulled off this flight.
• 54:06
  And they go, you're not qualified.
• 54:08
  You just busted a check, bro. Yeah, you busted a check ride. You are not qualified.
• 54:13
  He tried to pick up a flight. Is he got anything else for me? I just got pulled off.
• 54:19
  Maybe I can get some overtime. Get time and a half on another flight.
• 54:23
  So he gets a few months off. He was one of the original 30 pilots.
• 54:28
  And it was a big deal. The dirty 30, we called him. The dirty 30.
• 54:32
  He had never been the first officer before.
• 54:36
  Oh, street captain.
• 54:38
  But then they put him in the right seat for two years.
• 54:41
  Was it two years? I thought it was just six months. No, it was supposed to be
• 54:44
  two years. It may not have lasted the two years.
• 54:48
  But he was told that if there was ever another, and this is a letter that he
• 54:52
  signed, if there was another C.R. Minson, he would be fired on the spot.
• 54:56
  Oh, there's some motivation. They called them last chance letters.
• 55:00
  They'd issue them to guys and see. So you'll like the rest of this story, though, Pete.
• 55:05
  So he jumps seating to Memphis one night from Tucson on the 727.
• 55:09
  And we're sitting on the ground in Tucson. And the first officer is telling
• 55:13
  the story about the check ride. And he's got everything right.
• 55:17
  Very factual. Perfect. Until he gets to the point where he said that the check
• 55:21
  airman, the captain, got into a fist fight.
• 55:25
  I go dude it didn't happen that way he goes oh yeah
• 55:28
  they did this and it's like a really trust me dude that didn't happen
• 55:31
  he turns around and he goes how the fuck do you know and
• 55:33
  i go because that was the fucking check airman and he
• 55:36
  slinks down in his seat and i never
• 55:39
  heard him say another word the rest of the flight you know
• 55:45
  that's good that's one of those one of those tales that
• 55:48
  keeps grown and grown and next thing you know there were fists and
• 55:51
  cuffs hammer and a shotgun and
• 55:54
  yeah yeah i thought it was stanstead be
• 55:57
  just because my buddy scott you know he flew stanstead all the time this guy
• 56:01
  oh flash senior and was it was a flash yes yeah god rest his soul god who got
• 56:10
  the slowest growing prostate cancer on the planet and was dead in 18 months
• 56:13
  He was another Rickenbacker sent a seven pilot.
• 56:17
  So quick story about flash. Got to do this to you. Sorry. So 1993. Yeah.
• 56:26
  And Skull, who also has since died of cancer, and Skull wanted to get out. He wanted to be a suit.
• 56:32
  He wanted to go be a headhunter, a corporate headhunter, to hire guys.
• 56:38
  And his brother was doing that job.
• 56:40
  And I'm like, yeah, if you ever don't want to do that, if you want to fly for
• 56:43
  the rest of your life, let's go get our ATPs together.
• 56:46
  So Skull and I wander up to 1-800-ALL-ATPs in Richmond, Virginia.
• 56:51
  And he and I, you know, you do the weekend cram course to get your ATP back in the day. Yes.
• 56:57
  And Skull and I are there, and we run into Flash.
• 57:00
  And, of course, he and Skull, Flash and Skull are like, oh, this is great,
• 57:06
  wonderful, because Skull wanted to go to Ohio and thought, well,
• 57:09
  maybe I can get near a guard and still be a headhunter.
• 57:11
  And Skull lasted about a year, year and a half at Procter & Gamble and said,
• 57:15
  fuck this, I'm going back to flying. And he went to United.
• 57:20
  That headhunting job's a real job, you know? Yeah.
• 57:23
  They expect it. That's what he said. He said, you know, they expect results
• 57:26
  in the civilian world. And that, you know, that kind of sucked.
• 57:29
  But so he went back to flying.
• 57:30
  But yeah, so Flash and Skull and I were the three at the 1-800-ALL-ATPs.
• 57:36
  Both of them have since passed cancer. I'm a little scared.
• 57:40
  Yeah, no shit. So you want to know another good story about that, Captain?
• 57:45
  Yeah, let's hear it. So it involves Stansted.
• 57:49
  I was a first officer. I wasn't involved in it. But he used to carry our brain
• 57:55
  bags, you know, with all the JEP stuff.
• 57:57
  Right. 70-pound bag of books.
• 58:01
  Yeah. And the RFO was a SIMS instructor.
• 58:04
  So he gets out to the airplane and he sits his bag right behind the jump seat,
• 58:10
  which is up against the circuit breaker panel.
• 58:13
  Did you hear this? Yeah. So he goes, does his walk around the airplane,
• 58:18
  comes back, and he walks towards the cockpit.
• 58:22
  His brain bag and all the contents are dumped out in the back.
• 58:26
  Of the outside of the cockpit. All right. So I looked at the guy and I go,
• 58:31
  dude, I said, you know, he put his stuff in the bag and he flew the trip.
• 58:34
  It was a weekend stand-side trip or great trips. Right.
• 58:37
  But I looked at him and go, man, I said, you got one of three options and your
• 58:43
  option was number four. And it was wrong.
• 58:45
  I thought, you know, because it's a hostile environment there.
• 58:48
  I said, number one choice would be to just get off the airplane.
• 58:52
  Call a cruise schedule. This is what's happening. You know, I can't I can't work with this guy.
• 58:57
  Number two, you could escalate and take his suitcase and dump all the contents
• 59:02
  in the back of the airplane.
• 59:04
  That would kind of escalate, and he's going to be on the airplane.
• 59:06
  I thought the best idea was to take his suitcase, when he got ready to close
• 59:10
  the door, sit down on the steps.
• 59:12
  So he gets to Stansted, and he got shit for the weekend.
• 59:18
  But that was kind of the stuff that he did to people.
• 59:21
  And this was the same captain that you busted on the checkmate?
• 59:25
  Yeah, that was before I dealt with him. Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
• 59:29
  You know, and here's the thing. There were a couple of those guys.
• 59:33
  I flew with several of the Dirty 30, and most of them were wonderful gentlemen.
• 59:37
  But as you said, they never were first officers.
• 59:39
  They never understood it. These guys started as Falcon captains,
• 59:43
  and some of them were amazing. There's some great stories.
• 59:46
  There's a book called Overnight Success,
• 59:47
  which talks about the forming and foundation of FedEx and all that.
• 59:51
  And there was the gent who literally filled up
• 59:54
  a falcon on his personal visa credit card because the
• 59:58
  fbo that he was at said they ain't paid their
• 1:00:00
  bills and we ain't filling you and you know then he
• 1:00:03
  goes okay here's my visa card and fred smith
• 1:00:06
  cut the guy a check when he got back the next day said
• 1:00:09
  you know okay thank you for doing that and making sure that the product
• 1:00:12
  got delivered and you know here's your money so there
• 1:00:16
  were some of those wonderful guys one of my favorites was a
• 1:00:19
  gent only his last name his first name was lou and apparently
• 1:00:22
  he would write up you know things like left
• 1:00:26
  landing light is aimed four degrees too high i know who you're talking about
• 1:00:32
  that kind of shit yeah and so maintenance hated this guy and one of my favorite
• 1:00:38
  write-ups that he had and i i personally saw this swear to god it's true captain
• 1:00:42
  seat cushion too thin and maintenance signed it off.
• 1:00:46
  CND could not duplicate.
• 1:00:53
  That's, that's, that's spectacular. You know? Yeah. I remember flying with one
• 1:00:57
  of those guys, Pete, and he was number one in the company for probably five or six years.
• 1:01:03
  And I looked at him and go, so how do you, what do you bid? And he goes,
• 1:01:06
  I don't bid. I choose. I choose.
• 1:01:09
  But i better choose wisely because i'm going to get what i choose yeah that's
• 1:01:14
  true there were times look i've been senior and junior both and it actually
• 1:01:17
  got a little more difficult when i got some seniority because i was likely going
• 1:01:21
  to fly one of my first two or three choices,
• 1:01:24
  and that's a first world problem brother as they say you know yeah steve steve
• 1:01:30
  martin's definition of a first world problem is i think my masseuse is a little chatty but.
• 1:01:37
  But but having to fly something that you choose is
• 1:01:40
  it you know kind of go shit what
• 1:01:43
  what did i screw up how is it that i'm flying this oh
• 1:01:46
  no it's a good yeah you can't blame anybody else but yourself that's
• 1:01:49
  right you can't that's right well except during covid
• 1:01:52
  that was a different story so yeah that
• 1:01:56
  was weird that was just a weird time it was we
• 1:01:59
  flying international we were locked down you would
• 1:02:03
  go a week yeah so what did that look like exactly that's what
• 1:02:06
  the cockpit looked like oh my gosh yeah well
• 1:02:09
  you guys did well you guys weren't wearing your mask when you weren't on the
• 1:02:12
  ground right oh hell we weren't wearing them i've got a picture up of a of a
• 1:02:17
  flight deck with three guys wearing their mask in in covid days and it depended
• 1:02:21
  on the captain i i never did but i knew guys that made everybody wear their
• 1:02:25
  captain pre-flight during flight all that shit.
• 1:02:29
  Yeah the worst part fig was international sydney
• 1:02:32
  used to be one of the greatest that we had and it
• 1:02:35
  sucked we'd get locked in our room the only time
• 1:02:38
  you could go out of your room was to leave the hotel when
• 1:02:41
  you were going like leaving to go to yeah and
• 1:02:44
  then you go to guanjo to be locked up for another three or four days my gosh
• 1:02:47
  yeah and here's and this is why i will likely never go back to Australia we
• 1:02:55
  were escorted to our rooms by a police officer they gave the front desk handed
• 1:03:00
  the police officer or room key the plastic key card they would then escort us
• 1:03:04
  to the room and go leave your room go to jail.
• 1:03:08
  Yeah. And the key did not work to open your door. It was just for the lights.
• 1:03:13
  Yeah. Remember, remember if you left your room, you were locked out.
• 1:03:18
  So, and then they deliver your food at breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
• 1:03:22
  Nevermind if you had to sleep nights or sleep days because you had to fly nights,
• 1:03:27
  they deliver your food at those times and your food would sit in the hallway
• 1:03:31
  getting cold or hot or whatever.
• 1:03:32
  And then if you didn't have your mask on, They had somebody sitting at the end
• 1:03:36
  of the hall who would yell at you if you didn't have your mask on when you opened
• 1:03:40
  your door to get your food off the table next to your door.
• 1:03:43
  Wow. Yeah. They'd knock on your door and run. Those people lost their fucking
• 1:03:47
  minds, man. Oh, they did. They absolutely did. It was horrible.
• 1:03:50
  Remember when you would go in and you'd have to get a nasal,
• 1:03:54
  you know, they'd swab your nasal stuff for your COVID test.
• 1:03:57
  And then you would have to walk the green mile. Remember walking the green mile to get out of there?
• 1:04:06
  They had this this hallway right and
• 1:04:09
  there's there's gates at each end of it it's a secure area
• 1:04:12
  right yes it's normally not used but you
• 1:04:15
  they'd walk you there you know they'd open the gate you walk down wait for it
• 1:04:20
  to close behind then they'd open the other gate to let you out i just called
• 1:04:23
  it the green mile well yeah i don't know oh remember the so you you tip the
• 1:04:29
  drivers and the drivers were not allowed to accept tips from us.
• 1:04:34
  Because they could have COVID on them. They claimed that they got this bad outbreak
• 1:04:40
  in Australia from pilots tipping the drivers.
• 1:04:43
  They'd either leave it in the seat or throw it in the trunk,
• 1:04:45
  you know, because our drivers were great. Yeah, they were good guys.
• 1:04:49
  Absolutely, they were. Unbelievable.
• 1:04:52
  Well, let's just put a dot on this and say that was the most fucked up period ever.
• 1:05:00
  Yeah. And, well, we've all learned a lot from that.
• 1:05:04
  Yeah, we did indeed. I used to, I actually brought a projector with me,
• 1:05:08
  a little mini projector about the size of a couple packs of cigarettes.
• 1:05:13
  And, you know, go spend three days in a Chinese hotel and I'd watch movies and
• 1:05:17
  order dinner and cocktails and it'd be movie night.
• 1:05:20
  You know, it's the way I, you know. One man party.
• 1:05:24
  I'd send up the exercise bike in the afternoon. I'd get my, you know,
• 1:05:26
  15 miles in on an exercise bike and then watch a movie in the evening and go back to sleep.
• 1:05:30
  You know, like just whatever you could do to keep your sanity.
• 1:05:34
  I have no idea how we did that shit, but oh, well, yeah, got a bunch of other good stories though.
• 1:05:42
  So you did some really cool shit as a, as a check airman, you did a thing that
• 1:05:47
  they called Pathfinder at our airlines because we brought some stuff in and
• 1:05:51
  out of some, uh, you know, kind of flying you were doing in the C-130 stick there. Fig.
• 1:05:56
  Oh, talk about that. Yeah. I want to hear about that. Yeah. What was the Pathfinder?
• 1:06:00
  MD 11, you had to be checked. You had to be invited. And it was always,
• 1:06:04
  They either, they were, Czech airmen did it, and so you get checked out,
• 1:06:09
  we go into Bagram, it was kind of cool in the MD-11, because you actually got to fly the airplane.
• 1:06:14
  You know, we go in at 29,000 feet and then dive as close to the airport as we could.
• 1:06:21
  This is a Bagram, you said? Bagram? It's a Bagram, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
• 1:06:25
  So, you know, at first we would go from there, we repositioned to Dubai until
• 1:06:31
  the Iranians figured out we were bringing in stuff for the military and then
• 1:06:35
  flying over Iran to go to Dubai.
• 1:06:37
  So we ended up going to Delhi after that. Guy Bosh on that. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:06:42
  So one night I'm going in there and we were flying from old Han Air Force Base outside of Frankfurt.
• 1:06:52
  And we go into Bagram. Usually Baku was our alternate. Well,
• 1:06:57
  that night our alternate was Cologne, Germany.
• 1:07:00
  So it was a seven and a half hour flight down. And if we had to go missed,
• 1:07:05
  we'd have to go back to Cologne another seven and a half hours.
• 1:07:08
  Oh, shit. That was the that was the closest legal alternate. it
• 1:07:10
  yeah well because it's a military charter
• 1:07:14
  baku was the only place we could go into with the
• 1:07:17
  freight we had if we had to divert and the
• 1:07:20
  weather was down that night okay so we get into some classified freight and
• 1:07:24
  dis is there any chaff or flares not on the amd man not on the md 11 man right
• 1:07:30
  hey what year what year are we talking chubs what we're talking let me see I'm
• 1:07:35
  trying to remember, 2009,
• 1:07:39
  8 or 9. All right. Okay.
• 1:07:42
  Yeah, I was there. I was there. Yeah, so we were getting lit up.
• 1:07:46
  Yeah, it was listening to shit. So we go to Bagram. Shit was real then. It was pretty awesome.
• 1:07:50
  Well, and we would go at night, you know, because the plan was we'd be on the
• 1:07:53
  ground for maybe an hour. They'd unload the air, and then we'd blast out.
• 1:07:56
  Yeah. Well, this night, we're going in, and with the clearest land,
• 1:08:01
  I could see the runway. I've got a HUD. I've got the—.
• 1:08:06
  Were you landing north to south or south to north? Do you recall?
• 1:08:09
  I have no clue. Okay. We were coming out. We were heading towards the mountains.
• 1:08:13
  Well, you probably landed north. Okay. I don't remember. But anyway,
• 1:08:18
  I can see the runway. We're clear to land.
• 1:08:21
  And about 500 feet, they go, airport's closed. Landing clearance is canceled.
• 1:08:26
  Say your intentions. I go, I can see the runway.
• 1:08:29
  Okay. He goes, okay, you're clear to land. We land about half.
• 1:08:32
  Yeah. What the fuck? About halfway down. it's almost zero zero down the runway
• 1:08:37
  the fog bank was rolling in oh my gosh and they were going to close the airport
• 1:08:43
  i'm like we can see the runway let us land so we got to spend the night at boggle
• 1:08:48
  how was that where did you sleep yeah they put you up at the hilton the hyatt,
• 1:08:53
  hold on a second i know there was nothing like that i want
• 1:08:56
  to know where you slept okay so so you
• 1:08:59
  know where the pat tillman center was right the us us center
• 1:09:02
  yes there's a big 100 man tent there yes
• 1:09:05
  yes this is in february right so we get in there and there's only places there's
• 1:09:13
  only cots at the front because they have this big airplane heater that's heating
• 1:09:19
  that place so up the front is where all the heat is.
• 1:09:23
  And in the back, it's nice. I was so hot. I did the Ritter Sport candy bars.
• 1:09:28
  I had one of those in my backpack. It melted.
• 1:09:31
  That's how hot it was at the front. Sleeping with 99 of your closest buddies.
• 1:09:36
  Yeah. But, you know, the interesting thing was. With a jet engine heating you up.
• 1:09:39
  Yeah. We woke up, you know, got up and the place was empty.
• 1:09:44
  And I did not hear anybody get out of that place. You must have been tired.
• 1:09:48
  Well, no. It's, you know, Army guys and Marines, you know, they're just like,
• 1:09:53
  They want to be quiet because they don't want to wake everybody else up.
• 1:09:56
  Well, that and the carbon monoxide.
• 1:09:58
  Well, yeah. Yeah, you're probably half the bag from that. You're almost dead,
• 1:10:02
  but, you know, it's no big deal.
• 1:10:03
  Yeah. So when we got there, I called crew scheduling, and I go,
• 1:10:08
  hey, this is the time we got here.
• 1:10:11
  And so we wake up, and we're like, we had to have 12 hours off,
• 1:10:14
  I think it was. So we were like the nine-hour, nine-and-a-half-hour point.
• 1:10:18
  And I look at the rest of the crew, and I'm like, we want to get out of here.
• 1:10:21
  So I call back, I call the crew schedule and go, hey, what's the earliest we can get out?
• 1:10:26
  And the scheduler tells me, I go, well, if I was mistaken in the time that we
• 1:10:31
  got off the airplane, could we leave earlier? She goes, yeah,
• 1:10:35
  what time did you get off?
• 1:10:36
  I told her, she goes, now you're telling me that you made a mistake.
• 1:10:39
  I go, yes, ma'am, I did. You guys are good to go.
• 1:10:42
  It was a horrible mathematical mistake. Yeah.
• 1:10:46
  It was broken. Yeah. Yeah, listen, I wouldn't have a voluntarily stayed one
• 1:10:52
  more minute there, you know, if I didn't have to.
• 1:10:56
  Yeah, the month before we had a crew that was there for three days.
• 1:10:59
  When they had the C-17. Remember when that C-17 landed gear up there? Yes.
• 1:11:04
  When an airplane landed there, and right after they landed, they're getting
• 1:11:07
  ready to taxi, and the C-17 landed gear up.
• 1:11:10
  Close the runway down. That was that. For three days. Yeah.
• 1:11:14
  Yeah. Shit.
• 1:11:19
  That's bad luck, man. Oh, shit. Yeah.
• 1:11:24
  And I think I went down there maybe five or six times, you know.
• 1:11:30
  Did you say you called those Pathfinder missions? Yeah. So the captain would
• 1:11:35
  bid. The trip was a bid-packed trip.
• 1:11:37
  Captain would bid it, and then he would get bumped off in Cologne or Frankfurt.
• 1:11:43
  And Pathfinder would deadhead over. We'd fly the leg into Bagram and then either
• 1:11:48
  Delhi or Dubai, wherever they were going to put the airplane back in the system.
• 1:11:51
  And then we would deadhead back, and the captain would pick the trip up there. Okay.
• 1:11:56
  So it was a pretty good deal for us. And Deadhead was a good deal,
• 1:12:00
  yeah, because you got first-class international.
• 1:12:03
  Hell, yeah. On an airline you know pretty well, Fig. Yeah.
• 1:12:09
  I'm a million-miler lifetime because of that. God bless America.
• 1:12:13
  And there's that C-17 sitting there on the runway.
• 1:12:18
  The float plane C-17 they have there on the runway. That took a lot of power
• 1:12:24
  to taxi. They finally gave up.
• 1:12:26
  They did, man. Right.
• 1:12:29
  I heard that what they did is they put airbags under it, you know, to lift it up.
• 1:12:34
  And then the base commander, somebody went up and put the gear down and then
• 1:12:37
  they were able to tow it off the runway. That didn't surprise me.
• 1:12:42
  Amazing. But this is the life that those Pathfinders lived.
• 1:12:48
  I've got a picture up now of Chubb's behind the bar in the back of an A380.
• 1:12:56
  Is that what that is? It looked like a Star Trek transport device.
• 1:13:00
  It does look like a Star Trek transporter.
• 1:13:02
  You're lucky you weren't transported to another planet while you were standing
• 1:13:07
  there. Oh, that is outstanding.
• 1:13:09
  Yeah, there's the lounge in the back of the A380, which is how those guys flew
• 1:13:13
  around the world. Look at that. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:13:16
  Good stuff there were some there were some perks flying freight
• 1:13:19
  yeah oh yeah i get it
• 1:13:22
  totally and you didn't have to worry about
• 1:13:24
  you know pissed off passengers yeah
• 1:13:28
  or hey pete have you ever had a box bitch before at you not one time probably
• 1:13:32
  ever it didn't it didn't the only box that ever bitched at me had a chimpanzee
• 1:13:38
  in it who was pissed off because he woke up with a dart in his ass at two in
• 1:13:41
  the morning and then he woke up again in a cage in the back of my airplane.
• 1:13:48
  You want to hear a DC-8 story. One of my friends told me this.
• 1:13:52
  So they've got an airplane full of Reese's monkeys.
• 1:13:55
  And he said the monkeys were loud and they're throwing shit all over the place.
• 1:13:58
  Oh, no. You know, in the back of the airplane.
• 1:14:02
  So the engineer just dials the temperature down and goes back about 15,
• 1:14:08
  20 minutes later. The monkeys are like this shaking.
• 1:14:10
  Like, fuck, don't do this to us anymore. We'll be nice.
• 1:14:17
  I did that to a jump seater one night out in Newark. I helped him carry like
• 1:14:22
  this 75-pound bag up the stairs.
• 1:14:25
  He had like three bags. I carried one of his huge bags up the stairs.
• 1:14:30
  He didn't say thank you. He didn't say fuck you. He didn't say nothing to me.
• 1:14:34
  So I gave him his brief, and he nodded. He didn't say thank you.
• 1:14:38
  No, all right, fine, thanks.
• 1:14:39
  So I'm plumbing on the DC-10. I turned the temperature all the way down back there.
• 1:14:46
  And about the time that we were descending, we were going Newark to Fort Lauderdale
• 1:14:50
  at, you know, 4 a.m. or whatever.
• 1:14:53
  About the time we pushed the nose over to go into Fort Lauderdale,
• 1:14:56
  I went back to go to the head and he goes, could you turn the heat up?
• 1:14:59
  I go, that's all. I just needed to hear one word out of you.
• 1:15:07
  Walk to me, dude. Yeah. You could have said thank you. That's all you needed to do. You know. Yeah.
• 1:15:13
  Dizzy says that we couldn't get by an episode without talking about animal theme.
• 1:15:19
  Oh, that's true. Yeah. We used
• 1:15:21
  to do animal charters all the time out of Sydney back in the old days.
• 1:15:26
  Were you taking like horses, cattle?
• 1:15:30
  Cattle, pigs, donkeys, you name it.
• 1:15:34
  I've had horses. I had a Samachan tiger, chimpanzee, gooey ducks.
• 1:15:40
  You know what a gooey duck is? Yeah. Look it up. I've heard of it. Nope.
• 1:15:43
  Yeah, they're like a four-pound snail.
• 1:15:48
  What? Yeah. Okay. They're delicacies in Japan, apparently.
• 1:15:54
  I remember one night on the 7-4, we took a load of mules from Fort Campbell, Kentucky, to Brussels.
• 1:16:03
  And then the crew took them on from there to Islamabad.
• 1:16:07
  It was the election night in 1988, and it was humanitarian aid for the Mujdahin.
• 1:16:14
  Yeah. They were carrying stingers across the Khyber Pass while they were shooting the Soviets. Yes.
• 1:16:22
  That's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:16:27
  All right. We carry some interesting stuff, you know? Yeah.
• 1:16:31
  And the stuff we don't know we carry. It's scary shit. Right. Yeah. No kidding.
• 1:16:37
  There were times, you know, we had the State Department couriers on board.
• 1:16:43
  Even they didn't know how top secret the shit is they were carrying on the plane. Yeah.
• 1:16:49
  People escorting the cargo on your plane? Escorting the cargo.
• 1:16:51
  Yeah. And we would have captains go, denying you entrance to the jump seat.
• 1:16:57
  I'm not sure who you are. It's like, these guys have more top-secret compartmentalized
• 1:17:02
  clearances than you could make up.
• 1:17:05
  All my crash pad roommates did that twice.
• 1:17:10
  Did, did, did. Really? We had this lady one night on the 7-4. We're gone.
• 1:17:17
  We went New York, Boston, Chicago, Anchorage, and then the airplane,
• 1:17:22
  I think it'd end up in Hong Kong.
• 1:17:24
  And this lady is a courier and ask her, I go, you know, what are you on here
• 1:17:28
  for? She goes, I can't tell you. We get to Boston.
• 1:17:31
  I get, and this is on the 7-4. I get out. I'm going to do my walk run.
• 1:17:35
  I see a bunch of police cars at the back end of the airplane where the cargo door was.
• 1:17:40
  Mechanic comes running up. He goes, how much gold you guys got on the airplane tonight?
• 1:17:44
  She's like, she wouldn't tell us. And mechanics, oh yeah. How much gold's there,
• 1:17:49
  man? How much gold is there?
• 1:17:51
  Yeah, she wouldn't tell us. She didn't even want us to know there was gold on the airplane.
• 1:17:56
  The airplane might get accidentally landed somewhere else, I guess,
• 1:18:00
  with all that gold on there.
• 1:18:02
  Maybe. It happened the night we actually had a jet land in Stewart.
• 1:18:06
  It was on fire going Memphis to Boston, and it landed at Stewart Air Force Base in New York.
• 1:18:14
  And those guys saved the jet. They really did. But they treated them like criminals.
• 1:18:19
  There was tons of gold on that airplane.
• 1:18:24
  It's probably good that you don't know so that you don't start scheming.
• 1:18:29
  You're like, all right, here's the deal.
• 1:18:32
  We're going to fake an emergency. We're going to lower the cabin pressure.
• 1:18:38
  We're going to pass this chick out.
• 1:18:40
  And then we're going to land this plane and take the gold. and we're all going
• 1:18:43
  to a Caribbean island and we're going to live like the fucking sultan. Right?
• 1:18:51
  Oh, man. Well, the funny thing was the captain on that Stewart flight literally
• 1:18:55
  had a Memphis to Boston simulator the night before with a cargo fire in the
• 1:19:02
  simulator. I did not know that.
• 1:19:04
  Yeah, Bruce had a cargo fire simulated the night prior.
• 1:19:08
  Well, remember, Bruce later on got hit
• 1:19:11
  by lightning strike too and i saw him in india
• 1:19:14
  and i go bruce i said i don't want to fly with you man
• 1:19:17
  something bad's gonna happen because dude you want to fly with me i
• 1:19:20
  survived this shit exactly yeah
• 1:19:25
  yeah i haven't heard about him in a long time is he still with us do you know
• 1:19:29
  i haven't heard anything different so i'm assuming big boy bruce is 375 pounds
• 1:19:35
  if he weighed a pound and and that was on a slim day But I think he lost all
• 1:19:40
  the weight at one point. I don't know if it stayed off or not. Yeah.
• 1:19:44
  So, yeah, I don't know. I went way down a rabbit hole there.
• 1:19:48
  You also have a note in here about briefing a new hire on the first leg of IOE.
• 1:19:54
  I bet that was just amazing.
• 1:19:57
  So, 7 IOE, and we've got a jumpseater who's going to be the new LCA. Yeah.
• 1:20:04
  He's going to jumpseat up with us to Anchorage. How about getting hired to – how new hire to a 777?
• 1:20:11
  Well, remember, before it was the MD-11, and then it was the 777. So, yeah.
• 1:20:18
  So we got a jump seater who's going to be a new check airman.
• 1:20:22
  He's going to jump seat up with us, and he's going to observe me teach two legs
• 1:20:25
  the next two days, and I'm going to observe him teach two legs. It's the C2-D2.
• 1:20:30
  Yeah, C2-D2. So we're going up there, and Anchorage is the worst flight we had
• 1:20:35
  in the system. Don't you think, Pete? Why? Absolutely.
• 1:20:38
  Why was that? You leave at 2.30, 3 o'clock in the morning, first leg of a trip.
• 1:20:42
  And it's seven hours and 28 minutes, no RFO.
• 1:20:47
  Yeah. And it's quiet and dark the whole time.
• 1:20:51
  Yeah. So we're cruising up there and I look at my student. I go,
• 1:20:56
  Hey, how are you doing over there?
• 1:20:57
  You know, you tired or anything? No, man, he's I'm ready to go. He was wired.
• 1:21:01
  He hadn't slept all day, but he was wired his first time in the airplane.
• 1:21:04
  Oh yeah. I said, well, I'm gonna close my eyes for a few minutes.
• 1:21:08
  So I do. I don't know how long I was asleep. I wake up and I go,
• 1:21:11
  how are you doing? He goes, I'm doing great.
• 1:21:13
  And the jump seat was up there then in the jump seat. And I go,
• 1:21:17
  well, you know, if you're awake, I'll teach you something.
• 1:21:19
  So I always like to teach the comm suite on the triple seven.
• 1:21:24
  I like to go through every button push because students really didn't get it
• 1:21:28
  in the schoolhouse. So I, you know, I wanted to teach them everything.
• 1:21:31
  So I'm sitting there and I'm, I'm, I'm leaning down like this,
• 1:21:34
  you know, communications, everything, how to communicate on this airplane to
• 1:21:38
  the anywhere in the world.
• 1:21:39
  Yeah. And so I'm, I'm, I'm briefing them. And the next thing I know,
• 1:21:44
  these two fuckers start laughing at me.
• 1:21:47
  And I go, what's so fucking funny? And they go, you've fallen asleep three times.
• 1:21:52
  And when you wake up, you continue the discussion where you fell asleep.
• 1:21:58
  I go, well, fuck both of you. And I turn my head and I just lean back to my
• 1:22:02
  seat. I fall asleep again.
• 1:22:05
  Oh, shit. And you didn't know you were falling asleep. I did not. Not at all. Oh, my gosh.
• 1:22:12
  That's those micro naps, you know, that they talk about in the sleep studies and stuff.
• 1:22:18
  Yeah. So, so, I mean, that's a serious deal. How do you, all right. So how do you.
• 1:22:25
  That's, that's a normal schedule. How do you, how do you prepare your body for that?
• 1:22:30
  I mean, seriously, I, I found it was almost impossible.
• 1:22:35
  I tried to, I had a crash pad. I would go to the crash pad, try to sleep a little bit, but you know,
• 1:22:40
  you, you get there and you, you need to
• 1:22:43
  sleep probably i was good on three or four hours you
• 1:22:47
  know to go to asia
• 1:22:50
  or europe because we had rfo's but anchorage there's
• 1:22:53
  no you're never more than three hours from your next nap unless you're
• 1:22:56
  going to anchorage what's an rfo for our non-flight a
• 1:22:59
  relief flight for relief flight officer relief first
• 1:23:02
  officer we had our relief captains also sometimes and so
• 1:23:05
  and the purpose of those people were to do what so
• 1:23:08
  according to the far's if
• 1:23:12
  you and our contract regulations yeah our contract
• 1:23:16
  was over seven hours and 35 minutes as a pete where they had to have a third
• 1:23:19
  pilot anything over 11 30 or 11 35 for the fourth pilot okay yeah so they're
• 1:23:25
  to relieve the crew and basically they're everybody's flying you know every
• 1:23:30
  you change you set up your rest periods beforehand,
• 1:23:33
  so everybody knows how to be prepared to sleep.
• 1:23:37
  And that was, you know, sleeping in the back because we had really nice bunks in the triple seven.
• 1:23:42
  But I missed the MD-11 because we had a futon on the floor for a rest period.
• 1:23:48
  Futon on the floor yeah they didn't have
• 1:23:51
  literally yeah a futon on the floor where it
• 1:23:54
  was about 12 degrees fahrenheit yeah because
• 1:23:58
  the air is leaking in around the seal on the door so yeah
• 1:24:01
  and and these little tiny thin blankets that
• 1:24:04
  were you know whoever got their what do
• 1:24:07
  you call them the management bonus points did so by
• 1:24:10
  saving material on the amount of blanket material they actually
• 1:24:13
  put on these blankets it wasn't triple seven
• 1:24:16
  it said we got decent blankets decent blankets
• 1:24:20
  and pillows yeah because on the 11 they had the little airline pillows fig yeah
• 1:24:27
  and the that's what they gave us for our rest in the on the md11 unbelievable
• 1:24:32
  yeah so did you guys bring cold weather gear to,
• 1:24:38
  sleep in when you're laying on the futon sometimes
• 1:24:41
  yeah yeah if you were if you were lucky there
• 1:24:44
  were enough of those blankets where you could stuff them at the seal of the door and
• 1:24:47
  it would kind of warm it up some oh my gosh yeah either decide or you're either
• 1:24:52
  going to get frostbite on your feet or your head one of the two yeah that's
• 1:24:57
  brutal yeah i mean the shit we put up with sometimes just boggles my mind looking
• 1:25:02
  back at it now but that was that way before flying Tigers got bought,
• 1:25:06
  guys literally brown bagged their lunch.
• 1:25:09
  There was no catering. Yeah, that's what Tigers brought, catering.
• 1:25:15
  Every place we went, if it required catering, we could order catering,
• 1:25:19
  what we wanted to eat from the menu.
• 1:25:22
  Okay. Okay. And if you fail to order it, well, that looks like a 777 bunk right
• 1:25:29
  now. So that's a 777 bunk. It is.
• 1:25:32
  It's basically like a big coffin. I am familiar. Yeah. Those were good bunks. Yeah. They were.
• 1:25:40
  All right. Well, so what's the craziest shit you ever saw when you were flying in, you know?
• 1:25:48
  Air Force, airline. Yeah, weird times of the night.
• 1:25:52
  I mean, you know, other than like the Northern Lights and that sort of shit. Any...
• 1:25:59
  Hmm. Scratch your head. I don't know. Nothing really crazy. You know what I mean?
• 1:26:05
  Okay. You had to be awake to see that shit, right?
• 1:26:08
  Right. Well, there's that. Okay. I got two more notes from you.
• 1:26:12
  One is training review board and one is Medina Annex at Lackland Air Force Base for flight screening.
• 1:26:17
  We talked about the Medina Annex. What's the training review board about?
• 1:26:21
  What's that? So the training review board, it was set up.
• 1:26:25
  I just didn't think that the pilots were really serious about anything.
• 1:26:29
  Remember, Pete, and the contract. I never was.
• 1:26:33
  Yeah. So the TRB was you had somebody in the schoolhouse had a problem,
• 1:26:43
  you know, the training failure.
• 1:26:45
  Second failure. First failure, they automatically, you know,
• 1:26:49
  they get some extra training go.
• 1:26:51
  So a second failure, or they had other problems leading up to that or had done
• 1:26:55
  before, you go to the TRB, which consisted of two union representatives,
• 1:27:00
  which is training committee chairman usually, and the, what's the other one, Pete?
• 1:27:05
  I think human factors. Oh, yeah. Human factors were involved.
• 1:27:10
  Yeah. And then the managing director of training and standards from the company. Yep.
• 1:27:15
  Which, by the way, Chubbs was the MD of training at the company.
• 1:27:19
  Really? No, I was the MD 11. I'm training manager. So I don't know why I wasn't
• 1:27:24
  managing overall all training. No, no, just the MD 11.
• 1:27:28
  So, but the training review board is a really great program because, you know.
• 1:27:34
  Most people, as it was told to me, you don't work for 20, 25 years and all of
• 1:27:39
  a sudden you don't know how to fly.
• 1:27:41
  Usually there's something going on in the person's life or they've got some
• 1:27:45
  serious medical issues.
• 1:27:47
  And we had the leeway and it was always consensus from the company and the union,
• 1:27:52
  the reps, that, you know, this is what we think is best for the people going
• 1:27:57
  through. And, you know, how can we get them through the program?
• 1:28:00
  There were some people that had some serious medical issues,
• 1:28:04
  you know, that were found out just because of the training review board.
• 1:28:08
  Others had family issues that were causing problems.
• 1:28:12
  One guy had family issues and ended up when he couldn't make it through again,
• 1:28:16
  they sent him to an evaluation, found he had the early stages of Alzheimer's.
• 1:28:20
  Oh, my gosh. Yeah. So, you know, it saved people's lives. It saved their careers.
• 1:28:25
  You know and it was finally the company figured out that you know what pilots
• 1:28:29
  really care about what's going on and we can work with them so it was very satisfying
• 1:28:35
  you know because you get to help people i only did it for a year and i did something
• 1:28:39
  stupid and went into management.
• 1:28:43
  What were you thinking i don't know you know i the the manager was fired and
• 1:28:49
  so i went to his boss and i go hey who's going to replace this guy and he goes
• 1:28:53
  you are i go are you you You think I'm fucking stupid? I guess I was.
• 1:28:59
  Okay. But I only did it for 10 months.
• 1:29:03
  No, I remember that. And that was good. I remember when you did that.
• 1:29:06
  And in fact, I still remember to this day, it was one of those things.
• 1:29:10
  You had to actually deny me some time off.
• 1:29:13
  I had asked for time off. My youngest son was having some cardiac issues.
• 1:29:17
  He was like three years old, four years old, something like that.
• 1:29:20
  And then, uh, and you gave me the time off.
• 1:29:23
  Oh, yeah. I gave it to you. Yeah, you gave it to me.
• 1:29:26
  No. And then some other, a, a rod that was in my class decided he wanted time off.
• 1:29:33
  Because you know he lived in Fort Lauderdale oddly enough
• 1:29:36
  and when you said yeah no that's
• 1:29:39
  not how this works he wrote a letter to the senior VP of flight operations the
• 1:29:44
  chief pilot the senior VP of flight training and said well repeat got time off
• 1:29:50
  you know how come it's like are you kidding me so yeah so the extra time that
• 1:29:55
  I needed I kind of didn't get but you know well Well,
• 1:29:58
  you know, part of it too is, you know, as a manager is like,
• 1:30:02
  you know, or in a TRB too, it's like you look at guys and it's like,
• 1:30:06
  okay, they've got things going on.
• 1:30:07
  We can send them back through training, but they're not going to make it through
• 1:30:10
  because their life is consuming everything.
• 1:30:14
  And it's better to give them some time off to get things straightened out before
• 1:30:18
  you send them back into training. Yeah.
• 1:30:21
  Just not a whole lot of rocket surgery. Yeah.
• 1:30:25
  Oh, man. Well, we have been kicking this thing in the ass for a little over
• 1:30:29
  right at an hour and a half or so here, I guess. Is that possible?
• 1:30:33
  I know, right? I mean, it feels like 15 minutes, and here we are.
• 1:30:37
  So I want to find out what the hell you did when you found yourself rolling
• 1:30:42
  40, 45, 50 degrees on short final into Stansted.
• 1:30:48
  Yeah, at 1,500 feet. What the hell is that?
• 1:30:51
  You know, I just let the first officer fly the airplane. Oh,
• 1:30:55
  good. So yeah, I took the airplane over. Yeah.
• 1:31:01
  So what happened is when we put the flaps down, the flaps 50,
• 1:31:05
  as I said, the airplane rolled.
• 1:31:07
  So what I did is I said, okay, right away, I still have my hand on the flat
• 1:31:11
  panel, so I put it back to 35 and stopped rolling.
• 1:31:15
  And the first officer was fighting and did a really good job. He really did.
• 1:31:19
  So being the brain surgeon I am, there's a synoptic on the MD-11 where you can
• 1:31:24
  see what the flight controls are
• 1:31:26
  doing. I thought maybe we had a spoiler sticking up causing the problem.
• 1:31:30
  So I go, I pulled the synoptic up and I go, we're going to try this one more
• 1:31:34
  time. And we do it. And guess what? It did the same damn thing.
• 1:31:38
  So we go back, flaps 35, we landed the airplane.
• 1:31:42
  Well, we pull off the runway, we put the flaps up, and we get a hydraulic system number two failure.
• 1:31:49
  And I'm like, hmm, I wonder what's going on here. Well, what happened is we
• 1:31:54
  put the flaps up, the flap track, because there's a Fowler flap on the MB-11
• 1:31:58
  that's like 19 feet long and 5 feet wide,
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  and it fell off the airplane at 1,500 feet, five miles from the end of the runway.
• 1:32:07
  And so I talked to the British version of the NTSB, and the guy told me,
• 1:32:14
  he goes, we found the flap about 10 miles from the runway. I go,
• 1:32:17
  no, you couldn't have because he goes, what do you mean?
• 1:32:19
  I go, we put the flaps down at 1,500 feet.
• 1:32:22
  We're five miles from the runway on the glide slope.
• 1:32:26
  Yeah. And he comes back to me about a half an hour later. He goes, we found the flap.
• 1:32:31
  It was in a parking lot of a pub, landed between two cars. Didn't hit either one of them. No way.
• 1:32:37
  I said, dude, I know how to bomb shit. And I didn't want to kill the cars, okay?
• 1:32:43
  But what happened is we lost the hydraulic system too because
• 1:32:46
  the flaps were off track and the md-11 has this big ball i think all airplanes
• 1:32:50
  do where it hit when the flaps come up it hits a stopper yeah well it was off
• 1:32:55
  track and it goes through the number two hydraulic system line oh just push
• 1:33:00
  it right yeah so severed it so we got a we got a day,
• 1:33:04
  and a half and stands dead instead of going to newark and then we deadhead at home.
• 1:33:08
  So so i i uh i want
• 1:33:11
  to go back to one thing and i think it's important to
• 1:33:15
  talk about especially for our non aviator listeners you when you had the you
• 1:33:22
  move something something bad happened and you're put it back to where it was
• 1:33:29
  before the bad part happened right that's something that we just if something
• 1:33:33
  if you move a switch or lever.
• 1:33:36
  And you have a negative result, the first reaction is, well,
• 1:33:40
  put it back. Yeah. And that's what you did.
• 1:33:43
  And that was my thought process. We call it John Wayne in it. It solved the problem.
• 1:33:47
  Well, because at that point, you don't have enough time to go through a checklist. Right. You know?
• 1:33:53
  Yeah. And it's funny. No matter what kind of airplane you're flying or who.
• 1:33:58
  That's a great point, Faye.
• 1:34:00
  I don't think we've ever talked about that. No. And he triggered that memory
• 1:34:04
  or he triggered that thought because, I mean, we still do that now.
• 1:34:07
  I mean, if you throw a switch or move a lever and you get a bad result,
• 1:34:14
  before you even think, you undo what you just did. Go to unbad. Yeah, that's right.
• 1:34:21
  Let's go back to where it was good. And most of the time, that solves your problem.
• 1:34:26
  And then you can go, okay, like you did. You're like, okay, let's reason this
• 1:34:31
  out. What really happened?
• 1:34:33
  But isn't that something? Well, you know, technically, probably we should have
• 1:34:37
  gone around because we had numbers for flaps 50 landing instead of flaps 35,
• 1:34:42
  which increases your landing distance by what? 500 to 1,000 feet.
• 1:34:46
  412 feet, 7 inches, 39 millimeters.
• 1:34:50
  How do you know at 7 inches, Pete?
• 1:34:53
  Yeah. So, but, you know, technically you should have done that.
• 1:34:56
  But it's like, okay, you got a flight control problem. We don't know really
• 1:35:00
  what it is. We're close to the ground. Let's land.
• 1:35:03
  Yeah. Why do you want to go around and maybe have bigger problems than what
• 1:35:08
  you get? You know, start. Yeah.
• 1:35:11
  Yeah. And that's another thing.
• 1:35:14
  So you're on a short final. You have something, some kind of non-normal happen.
• 1:35:22
  Is it better to take it around and sort it all out and maybe create a bigger
• 1:35:27
  problem or just land the damn plane?
• 1:35:29
  That is the age-old question. Yeah, I think land in the airplane.
• 1:35:33
  Y'all worked for us that time.
• 1:35:36
  You know, because here's the thing. If we go on around, we'd put the flaps up.
• 1:35:39
  Then we lost hydraulic system number two. Now we're dealing with a hydraulic
• 1:35:42
  problem as well as the flap problem. Yeah.
• 1:35:45
  And a no-flap landing. Don't. Oh, yeah.
• 1:35:49
  Look, my recollection on MD-11 hydrastics is low.
• 1:35:55
  But, yeah, the potential for creating more problems is definitely there.
• 1:36:03
  No flap, no slack. Because then you're raising the gear.
• 1:36:06
  No slack, your perch piece is like 200 knots. Yeah.
• 1:36:10
  And you're going to use more than that 412 feet, 7 inches. 7 inches,
• 1:36:15
  39 millimeters. Exactly.
• 1:36:18
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• 1:36:25
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• 1:36:27
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• 1:36:29
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• 1:43:33
  Well, Joker's after you've cracked a bottle. It evaporates to Joker.
• 1:43:36
  I don't know, that's, right?
• 1:43:38
  I mean, well, that's like as soon as you start your airplane on a,
• 1:43:41
  when you're a single engine attack jet, you start your airplane, you're on low fuel.
• 1:43:45
  So that's how that goes. He's the wheels in the wheel of your joker.
• 1:43:50
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• 1:43:56
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• 1:44:39
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• 1:44:43
  Mistakes were made. I blame society. What?
• 1:44:48
  Weird. Ow!