Latest / Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast / IFH 861: How a Hollywood Creature Creator Made His First Feature Film with Hiroshi Katagiri

Transcript

IFH 861: How a Hollywood Creature Creator Made His First Feature Film with Hiroshi Katagiri · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: You are listening to the ifh podcast Network. For more
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: amazing filmmaking and screenwriting podcasts, just go to ifhpodcastnetwork dot com.
• 0:12
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Indie Film Muscle Podcast, Episode number eight
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: sixty one. Being an artist means not having to advert
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: one's eyes. Akira Kurosawa.
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: Broadcasting from the back alley in Hollywood. It's the Indie
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: Film Hustle Podcast, where we show you how to survive
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: and thrive as an indie filmmaker in the jungles of
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: the film biz. And here's your host, Alex Ferrari.
• 0:35
  Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome to another episode of the Indie Film Huscle Podcast.
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: I am your humble host Alex Ferrari.
• 0:40
  Speaker 3: Today's show is sponsored by Rise of the Film Entrepreneur
• 0:43
  Speaker 3: How to turn your independent film into a profitable business.
• 0:47
  Speaker 3: It's harder today than ever before for independent filmmakers to
• 0:50
  Speaker 3: make money with their films from predatory film distributors ripping
• 0:53
  Speaker 3: them off to huckster film aggregators who prey upon them.
• 0:56
  Speaker 3: The odds are stacked against the indie filmmaker. The old
• 1:00
  Speaker 3: distribution model of making money with your film is broken,
• 1:03
  Speaker 3: and there needs to be a change. The future of
• 1:05
  Speaker 3: independent filmmaking is the entrepreneurial filmmaker or the film entrepreneur.
• 1:10
  Speaker 3: In Rise of the Film Entrepreneur, I break down how
• 1:13
  Speaker 3: to actually make money with your film projects and show
• 1:16
  Speaker 3: you how to turn your indie film into a profitable business.
• 1:20
  Speaker 3: With case studies examining successes and failures. This book shows
• 1:24
  Speaker 3: you the step by step method to turn your passion
• 1:27
  Speaker 3: into a profitable career. If you're making a feature film, series,
• 1:30
  Speaker 3: or any other kind of video content, the Film Entrepreneur
• 1:34
  Speaker 3: method will set you up for success. The book is
• 1:37
  Speaker 3: available in paperback, ebook, and of course audiobook. If you
• 1:41
  Speaker 3: want to order it, just head over to www dot
• 1:44
  Speaker 3: filmbizbook dot com. That's film bizbook dot com. Enjoy today's
• 1:50
  Speaker 3: episode with guest host Dave Bullis.
• 1:54
  Speaker 4: Hello, Ron, Welcome to another edition of Dave Bolls Podcast.
• 1:57
  Speaker 4: Join me Today is Roshi Katagi. Hiroshi has worked in
• 2:02
  Speaker 4: the special effects field for over twenty three years, and
• 2:05
  Speaker 4: he's worked on films such as Escape from La Pacific, Rim,
• 2:08
  Speaker 4: Cabinet in the Woods, and he's currently working on his
• 2:11
  Speaker 4: first feature film, Gahana. Hiroshi, how are you?
• 2:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah? Good Flie, Thank you so, Horoshi.
• 2:19
  Speaker 4: Just to get started, the first question want to ask
• 2:21
  Speaker 4: you is how did you get started in the film industry?
• 2:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah? After that was like a born and raised in Japan,
• 2:29
  Speaker 5: and I just wanted to do special makeup effects and
• 2:32
  Speaker 5: working for like Hollywood movies. So after graduating high school,
• 2:37
  Speaker 5: I just moved to Los Angeles and just when today
• 2:44
  Speaker 5: I know the makeup school like for the ten ten
• 2:47
  Speaker 5: weeks and which is pretty short. Then I started building
• 2:51
  Speaker 5: my portfolio. Then applied to some studio and I just
• 2:55
  Speaker 5: started at Stainton. When I was nineteen, I met the
• 3:00
  Speaker 5: guy named the Screaming Matt George. You know he he
• 3:03
  Speaker 5: has a he owned a studio, makeup effects studio. He
• 3:06
  Speaker 5: had to work for like a Photogeist two back then
• 3:11
  Speaker 5: or ABYSS. Then yeah, and then I just started as
• 3:15
  Speaker 5: an intern. There that's my my beginning.
• 3:19
  Speaker 4: Oh cool. And then you know, I see then you
• 3:21
  Speaker 4: went on to work on projects to Escape from LA
• 3:24
  Speaker 4: and Pacific Rate. Yeah, so how did you get started
• 3:27
  Speaker 4: working on those those projects in the beginning?
• 3:30
  Speaker 5: Ah? Wow, I Escaped from LA. It's a what a
• 3:33
  Speaker 5: horrible film. It's funny you mentioned that the title, but
• 3:38
  Speaker 5: it's the basically you know, it's so just ninety one
• 3:44
  Speaker 5: my like I first started and it's like a golden
• 3:49
  Speaker 5: age of makeup effects industry. You know, it's like lots
• 3:52
  Speaker 5: of like a direct video a IT movies and you
• 3:55
  Speaker 5: know a bunch of big movies. Okay, everything was happening
• 3:58
  Speaker 5: in La so like everybody's working pretty much. So and
• 4:03
  Speaker 5: also it's kind of small community. So you know, you
• 4:06
  Speaker 5: get the recommendation for in or from other place and
• 4:09
  Speaker 5: the other studio and uh so always get called. So
• 4:14
  Speaker 5: that's the if you keep doing a good job, you
• 4:17
  Speaker 5: just keep asking for work and getting getting jobs.
• 4:22
  Speaker 4: So, Rosie, if you had any advice for like a
• 4:24
  Speaker 4: beginner who wanted to do what you do, what would
• 4:27
  Speaker 4: that be?
• 4:29
  Speaker 5: It's the uh, basically, just don't wait to learn from
• 4:32
  Speaker 5: the school or anywhere. If you like it, you're gonna
• 4:35
  Speaker 5: start building your own. It's many ways you can get
• 4:39
  Speaker 5: the instructions, you know, from internet or just you. You
• 4:42
  Speaker 5: you gotta if you like it. That's a proof that
• 4:45
  Speaker 5: iss you without the forcing by anybody. If you if
• 4:49
  Speaker 5: you can start building your own you know something anything.
• 4:53
  Speaker 5: So that's the uh, that's the first advice. You know,
• 4:56
  Speaker 5: you have to like it, then you have to prove it,
• 5:00
  Speaker 5: so builder your portfolio to start.
• 5:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's really good advice. Yeah, and I think that
• 5:07
  Speaker 4: that's true too, for you know, even if they want
• 5:09
  Speaker 4: to be like a writer a director and uh, you
• 5:12
  Speaker 4: know they have to. You know, it's it's a little
• 5:15
  Speaker 4: easier now, they say, because obviously with with the way
• 5:18
  Speaker 4: cameras are now, you can you don't need to shoot
• 5:21
  Speaker 4: on film anymore. You can you know, shoot on digital
• 5:23
  Speaker 4: and you could. Yeah, and you know, but with special
• 5:27
  Speaker 4: effects like that, you still need to have make up.
• 5:29
  Speaker 4: You still need to you know, mold things like you do.
• 5:31
  Speaker 4: I mean you make those I mean amazing. I saw
• 5:33
  Speaker 4: that one you do a Pacific rim and you had
• 5:34
  Speaker 4: that mini buddle and I mean that was just amazing artwork.
• 5:37
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 5:38
  Speaker 4: And uh and I also saw the thing a different
• 5:41
  Speaker 4: cabin in the woods you made Merman. Yeah, and I
• 5:44
  Speaker 4: mean that that is, you know, that takes a lot
• 5:47
  Speaker 4: of artistic ability to do that, even with the even
• 5:52
  Speaker 4: with the advent of the digital. But I mean, yeah,
• 5:54
  Speaker 4: I can see what you mean. So do you recommend
• 5:56
  Speaker 4: that anybody who wants to do this, do you recommend
• 5:59
  Speaker 4: they should be an l.
• 6:01
  Speaker 5: Well not really, you know, nowadays it's la it's the Yeah,
• 6:04
  Speaker 5: I would say, like a worst place for working for
• 6:07
  Speaker 5: the major movie. Yeah, I recommend go to like Vancouver
• 6:12
  Speaker 5: or the London mm hmm. Yeah, they're making more movies
• 6:17
  Speaker 5: now over there. Yeah.
• 6:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And you know, Georgia was just ranked as the
• 6:22
  Speaker 4: number one place in America right now that's making movies.
• 6:25
  Speaker 5: Oh really Georgia. Wow?
• 6:27
  Speaker 4: And number two is Louisiana.
• 6:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I've been there a couple of times for several
• 6:31
  Speaker 5: different movies.
• 6:33
  Speaker 4: Oh really really Louisiana.
• 6:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the Green Lantern and the oh no, just a
• 6:39
  Speaker 5: green lantern yep.
• 6:41
  Speaker 4: So what models did you make? What special effects? What
• 6:44
  Speaker 4: did you do for the Green Lantern?
• 6:46
  Speaker 5: Do you remember Abinsar character? Yeah, yeah, it'scpt the makeup
• 6:51
  Speaker 5: for Abincar and dead body of him?
• 6:55
  Speaker 4: Oh cool?
• 6:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and uh, makeup design for Siniestro Ellen. Yeah, so
• 7:06
  Speaker 5: just the first makeup design that sculpted on his life
• 7:09
  Speaker 5: cast and just you know, for.
• 7:13
  Speaker 4: The test, Sinnesta has played by Arc Strong. And was
• 7:18
  Speaker 4: it turned out that was pretty good work?
• 7:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's an unfortunately movie, it was horrible. Yeah. In
• 7:28
  Speaker 5: the many digital uh digital characters, and the aviance stands
• 7:33
  Speaker 5: out pretty well because it was makeup.
• 7:35
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm uh yeah. And uh and Sinestra on the
• 7:39
  Speaker 4: and you know, some of the villains and that were
• 7:40
  Speaker 4: just some of the most minerable parts.
• 7:42
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, the hector too, Yeah yeah.
• 7:45
  Speaker 4: So uh so you know, around two thousand and six, Yeah,
• 7:49
  Speaker 4: you've been working for for a couple of years, you
• 7:51
  Speaker 4: decided to direct your own short film, Pulse.
• 7:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 7:55
  Speaker 4: What experiences did you encounter when you first made that film?
• 8:00
  Speaker 5: On? The biggest issue for me is, you know, I'm
• 8:02
  Speaker 5: not the native English speaker, so the writing is the
• 8:06
  Speaker 5: biggest issue. So yeah, I just start writing, and I
• 8:10
  Speaker 5: think I started in Japanese and then just I made
• 8:15
  Speaker 5: the English myself and I just give it to my
• 8:17
  Speaker 5: friend American friend, and he the correct all the language
• 8:22
  Speaker 5: mistake and he brings me back and then when I
• 8:26
  Speaker 5: see that and the new ones and some details like
• 8:29
  Speaker 5: if I feel different, then I just change it then
• 8:31
  Speaker 5: just giving him back. So just back and forth so
• 8:34
  Speaker 5: many times to get the script. So it took me
• 8:38
  Speaker 5: like I was working full time in the mekeup effects
• 8:40
  Speaker 5: industry also, so it took me six months before I
• 8:44
  Speaker 5: start filming. So that's the biggest hardest thing, you know,
• 8:49
  Speaker 5: for studying the movie. And also I'm pretty specific about
• 8:56
  Speaker 5: the visuo how to shoot, and so the script has
• 9:01
  Speaker 5: to be done, then I have to be in my
• 9:05
  Speaker 5: mind has to be completed. You know, film has to
• 9:08
  Speaker 5: be finished in my mind before I shoot, So it's
• 9:12
  Speaker 5: hard to before shoot. Then then once shooting stats and
• 9:17
  Speaker 5: this goes a little bit easier because I have the
• 9:19
  Speaker 5: bision already.
• 9:20
  Speaker 4: So yeah, So do you storyboard a lot or just
• 9:25
  Speaker 4: mainly have it in your head?
• 9:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah? A storyboard, yep.
• 9:30
  Speaker 4: So you know, I found that to be a very
• 9:31
  Speaker 4: invaluable tool as well as that, you know, storyboarding and
• 9:35
  Speaker 4: even I don't think they're in my opinion, I don't
• 9:38
  Speaker 4: think you can really storyboard too much because if you
• 9:40
  Speaker 4: break down it into very even most minute details and
• 9:44
  Speaker 4: have it along the wall or have it or however
• 9:47
  Speaker 4: in a pamphul lever, I think it really helps not
• 9:49
  Speaker 4: only you but everybody else understand what actually is going
• 9:51
  Speaker 4: on in the movie.
• 9:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yep.
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: and now back to the show.
• 10:04
  Speaker 4: And so you know, I had David Hall on the podcast.
• 10:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you're familiar with David Holly as
• 10:10
  Speaker 4: a script consultant, but he always recommends having horror as
• 10:13
  Speaker 4: your first project. Because horror movies are you know, quote
• 10:18
  Speaker 4: unquote easier to do because obviously horror is a character
• 10:22
  Speaker 4: of the movie itself. You don't have to depend on
• 10:25
  Speaker 4: actors per se, you don't have to depend on a
• 10:28
  Speaker 4: location per se. But you know, horror is sort of
• 10:32
  Speaker 4: it sort of goes across all boundaries and all cultures
• 10:35
  Speaker 4: and all language barriers.
• 10:37
  Speaker 5: Do you feel the same, Yeah, yeah, absolutely so.
• 10:41
  Speaker 4: Then after if you shot Pulse, You've got two other
• 10:45
  Speaker 4: short films, which are Crayon and Hindsight. Now did you
• 10:48
  Speaker 4: now with Pulse, Crayon on Hindsight, did you craft on
• 10:50
  Speaker 4: any of these projects?
• 10:52
  Speaker 5: What's the question?
• 10:53
  Speaker 4: Did I with a post crayon in Hindsight? Did did
• 10:58
  Speaker 4: you crowdfund any of those projects?
• 11:00
  Speaker 5: No, it's all my personal money, but the money I
• 11:03
  Speaker 5: spent for all three movies, but maybe like three thousand altogether.
• 11:09
  Speaker 5: And the first of all, you know, it's all the
• 11:11
  Speaker 5: effects pretty much free, because you know, I do and
• 11:14
  Speaker 5: I have a friends, and all I need is material
• 11:20
  Speaker 5: And then of course all my friends helped and everybody
• 11:22
  Speaker 5: like actors and DP and I didn't have to rent
• 11:27
  Speaker 5: anything or the pay to anybody. And I was so fortunate,
• 11:31
  Speaker 5: you know, I got the all talented people just helping out.
• 11:34
  Speaker 5: So and also just writing is so important, so I
• 11:37
  Speaker 5: just write the story. I decided the location first. Then okay,
• 11:41
  Speaker 5: so here I see, I gotta use this house. Then everything,
• 11:45
  Speaker 5: every drama is gonna happen in just this house. Then
• 11:48
  Speaker 5: what can I make? So that's my start to make
• 11:52
  Speaker 5: the movie, so which I know I can't spend too
• 11:56
  Speaker 5: much money, So then I just yet location, it's so important.
• 12:00
  Speaker 5: Then I just think of the idea. What can I do?
• 12:03
  Speaker 5: You know, to to shoot in a single location, make
• 12:08
  Speaker 5: it interesting?
• 12:09
  Speaker 4: So and you knows that idea has We've seen that
• 12:15
  Speaker 4: it works very well too in recent years with like
• 12:17
  Speaker 4: your paranormal activity that I have shot in Orange's house
• 12:20
  Speaker 4: and it made hundreds of millions of dollars, and yeah
• 12:23
  Speaker 4: on a thirteen thousand dollars budget. And when you shot
• 12:27
  Speaker 4: these movies, Haroshi, did you have a skeleton crew or
• 12:29
  Speaker 4: did you have a fairly large crew?
• 12:32
  Speaker 5: No, skeleton crew. It's the very minimum, maybe twelve people
• 12:39
  Speaker 5: all together, and sometimes like a four people in some
• 12:42
  Speaker 5: some day in four people everybody including an actor. Yeah
• 12:47
  Speaker 5: that's interesting, one DP me, one actor and one eighty
• 12:53
  Speaker 5: that's all.
• 12:55
  Speaker 4: So now you put those three shorts together at DVD.
• 13:00
  Speaker 4: Where can people find the horror Theater as for that's
• 13:03
  Speaker 4: the Namevolve Through Movies combined. Where where can people buy
• 13:06
  Speaker 4: that hard Theater DVD?
• 13:07
  Speaker 5: Oh? Just check on the Amazon then search by the
• 13:10
  Speaker 5: horror Theater then you can find it.
• 13:13
  Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, and I'll put it into that too, up
• 13:15
  Speaker 4: on the show notes.
• 13:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you. Well. Also, and you can just watch
• 13:18
  Speaker 5: it free on my YouTube channel.
• 13:21
  Speaker 4: I'll put a note. I'll put a link to that too.
• 13:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: So, so when you were making these movies, Toro, and
• 13:27
  Speaker 4: as you make films today, you know, who are your
• 13:29
  Speaker 4: filmmaking inspirations.
• 13:32
  Speaker 5: It's a yeah, it's a tough question. There's so many.
• 13:35
  Speaker 5: And uh, when I was younger, my favorite director was
• 13:39
  Speaker 5: the Robert Zemeckis. So I love the like Back to
• 13:43
  Speaker 5: the Future series especially it's so entertainment and it's the
• 13:50
  Speaker 5: horror too. And I take the Horrors not as a
• 13:53
  Speaker 5: scary movie, but you know, still entertainment movie and have
• 13:57
  Speaker 5: to entertain audience. And the Mickeys was nice, and Spielberg
• 14:03
  Speaker 5: and of course and those those guys are incredible for
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: amusing people. I mean later a period and know they changed,
• 14:12
  Speaker 5: but the earlier days especially and of course Cameron, James
• 14:17
  Speaker 5: Cameron and uh yeah, a huge influence and especially the
• 14:21
  Speaker 5: effect I was like a fifteen years old and there's
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: a double feature in Japan, uh, Aliens and The Fly
• 14:32
  Speaker 5: and Shocking Day, Shocking Day. Yeah, just watch the Aliens
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: and blow my mind so amazing and I was expected, Okay,
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: no way, it's no, it's the next gonna be next
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: to the movie will be as big as this one.
• 14:47
  Speaker 5: And then watched The Fly and as amazing too, so
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: much in one day. And as there's a huge influence
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: for me, like a Sames Cameron and The Cloning bog
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: mm hmm yeah, and as many many directors, many movies.
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: You know, it's it's like I can't speak forever, but
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: horror movie. Yeah. As I mentioned on my project is
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: the uh the Twilight Song got a huge influence. You know,
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: it's the it's really low budget and depending on the
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: actors performance and idea of the story and always you know,
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: there's ending. It's got it's really shocking and surprise ending.
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: And that's the model of my story always. You know,
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: it's the I was so interesting to just keep watching
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: and then at the end just uh surprising. Yeah, just
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: the yeah, all set up is it's just amazing. So
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: probably you know, the big influenced me is the you know,
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: t White Eyed one, especially for my movie.
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, I'm a big fan of Jay Horror.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: You know, I I just heard that the remaking audition,
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: which is by Takashi mackay there. Yeah, they were making
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: an American mad audition. Now, okay, so have you seen audition? Yeah,
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: of course, yeah, you know, and you know that reminds me,
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: you know, the same model where it's almost like there
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: was another the feature like Pulse and there's like a
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: one miscall and there's a whole with Jay Hart. It's
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: more of an unsettling I guess I would say, yeah,
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: than the actual scare or horror. You know what if
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: you don't mean but but it does it very well.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: And I was just wondering, you know, how good the
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: audition because the Japanese audition was was pretty gory thing.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: I don't think they'd be able to do with the
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: American version.
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, my uh scarediness taste is more. Yeah, Jay Horror,
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: it's the Jacques is like a creepy style and additionally
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: it was excellent movie. I love it too, but I'm
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: not good at the like a torture or the painful
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: scene or movie. Yeah, it's The Evil Dead. I loved
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: The Evil Dead. You know, the first one, the reasonable one.
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: Sam rhymes yes. And there's a scene of the stubbing
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: is the ankle with the pencil? That scene I couldn't watch,
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: you know. I watched the counter at time of you
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: know that movie, and uh, only that scene I couldn't watch.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: I just always closed my eyes.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: So you have a new project called Ghanna. It's your
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: first film project. So, so why don't you tell us
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: about this? Akahana said, story. I know this is, you know, uh,
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: your first feature film. I know it's it's very important
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: you So why don't you tell us about it?
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah? So I so the next big step is that
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: can make feature film. I made the three shorts already
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: and then so the feature film. I just needed the
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: great idea. And also I'm gonna take advantage of my background,
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: which is I was born and grown up in Japan,
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: and then I'm in the I'm in the industry for
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: like over twenty years in the American uh makeup effects industry.
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: So then I was thinking what can I do, you know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: to take those advantages. So then I I found a
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: good location which is taxt Place in Saipan. So sideplan
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: is the huge battlefield between Japan and America during the
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: World War Two. And then then also the location. I
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: know it's my it's gonna be first feature movies, so
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: I cannot spend too much money, so I just the
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: thinking of the story. That's the text plasing in isolated
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: place which is the Japanese secret military base from World
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: War too. Then I got a great idea for that,
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: and so it started maybe just got this idea, start
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: writing maybe eight years ago, and took so long as
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: the as may you know, complete the script and I
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: show my friend and correct everything as they read, change
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: it many times, and I tried to apply for like
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: a Japanese movie. I just rewrite everything in Japanese also,
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: and trying to the pitch to the direct producer of
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: the Wing and when he told me he's looking for
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: English the script, so then just rewrite that. So it's
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: the crazy story. So it took me like seven eight
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: years to complete the one script. And of course because
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm working full time in the makeup effects industry.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: and now back to the show.
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: So but anyway, so, so this movie is so important,
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: you know, so all my desire, long time desire, is
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: in it, and I'm just spending all my effort to
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: make it really really interesting movie in a scary movie.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: So yeah, anything more I should speak about the.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: H And just the synopsis of so far of Gahana is, yeah, uh,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: you know, an American real estate agent finds, you know,
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: looking for a real estate project in in Saipan, and
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: you know, she ends up finding you know, this World
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: War two uh bunker in this place, and then obviously
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: that's where you know, all hell brings.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, And as they encounter the that creepy super
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: quip the Old Man, which you can see in the
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: my Kickstarter campaign Doug Jones playing it, and then accidentally
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: they killed the old Man. Then some explosion happening, so
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: you don't know the cause of explosion. Then everybody knocked
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: knocked down to the floor and lose conscious. Then when
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: they wake up, then old Man's gone. And before that
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: they find the dried up corps from somewhere it looks
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: like a Caucasian in a Japanese military base. Then uh,
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: then all those cops is gone too. Then also the
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: exit is closed, so they are trapped inside and then
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: just try on the way too, you know, the looking
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: for the exit. From there, they encountered the like a
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: mysterious series of mysterious event and each one has the
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: fear for something. Then then they have a hallocination or
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: they experienced the uh those fear each one then yeah,
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: then then at the end, you know there's the or
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: the answer you know, who was the old man or
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: the where the dead buddy gone? And uh usual they
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: can get out or not? You know, every answer is
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: you know, there's there's a surprise ending at the end.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Awesome and it does sound really cool. I've actually I've
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: actually pledged your kickstarter and uh you know I watched
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: the video twice. It actually is very well done.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: Oh thank you?
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Uh and uh so and also how did you end
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: up getting Doug Jones on the project? And for those
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: who don't know who Jug Jones is, He's done you
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: know a lot of work with uh uh Del Toro.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Panslablins, Yeah, her boy as An and uh angel
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: death many yah any any Skinny Creatures in All Falling
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: Sky TV right now. Yeah, he's an idiom.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you thinks helped me out there. I forgot his
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: movie for Hans Labyrinth. But how did you get talk
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: on board the project?
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: Okay? Dok Is of course, you know, famous among us.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: You know, I worked with him for many, many different
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: films like A Time Machine or The Doom and Her Boy,
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: Her Boy to Buffy the Vampire Slayer. There's so many
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: as the every time when we make something skinny character,
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: it's always him. Yes, he knows me and I know
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: him and uh and I just email him that if
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: he could support my kickstarter project and he yeah, and
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: he's just totally cool, such a nice guy.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: And that's amazing, and uh, it just goes to show you,
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: you know, you have to make relationships in this business.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's so fortunate. Ye.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: So, so Hi, what are your plans for the release
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: for Gahana?
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: Oh the plan for for the release?
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Are you opening to this in the theaters or just
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: like vo.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: D Yeah, yeah, my uh the ideal I love to
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: release in the theater. Then, uh so there's a way.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: That's the reason I'm using a Kickstarter is you know,
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: there's a several ways to get funded for movies. So
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: I could approach to a distribution company to to get
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: funded and if they like it, of course, but what
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: comes with it with the money is the their control
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: for the movie. So it's a lot of things. It's
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: the uh my my plan is before looking for distribute distributor,
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: I make just great, great film. Then then I just
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: to look for the distribution. So that's the Yeah, that's
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: this idea.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Very cool. Yeah, so you're you're currently you know, crowdfunding
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: on your kickstart for Gahana. Yeah, I'm going to link
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: to the kickstart in the show notes. So uh, I mean, honestly,
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: if anyone's listening, I really recommend you check out uh
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Hiroshi's video for it. I check out, you know, the
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: project page, because it's actually a very cool, well done video.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: It looks like it's gonna be a great project. Thank
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: you and Roshie. So, you know, in closing, uh, you know,
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: what were any projects you have in mind for the future.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: I know you probably don' want to answer that question
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: because you're so busy with Ghana, but but is there.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I do, I do it. Yeah, So I have
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: another script called the Basido. You know, it's the it's
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: a job I practice, I for like a twenty three years,
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: in the same as my career twenty three years. So
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: it is my instructor. I just the wrote a script
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: to show the value of the baser rats. So American
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: Guy is a main character and it takes place in Japan.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: It's like last summer I meet Karate Kid. And but
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: you know, that's a bigger, bigger movie. So then I
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: need to you know, of course I want to direct.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Then in order to direct that, then I have to
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: make smaller movie to start, and as the I need
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: the experience to direct the feature film. So then in
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: which you know, Agahina is my first film. It's a
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: low budget and takes advantage of my career. So the
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: second one I'm looking for making the action, but I
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: want to create a bunch of characters creatures and the
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: characters which the cool makeup effects, so something you know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: I can get the experts of course, and all my
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: friends gotta support me for it's the other cool practical
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: effects Christian movie with action. Yeah, you know a ninja scroll. Yeah,
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: it's something like that. But again you're trying to make
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: it cheap too, like it takes place in one mountain,
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: so you know, guy wakes up and he he he
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: has no memory and he's wondering of who he is.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: And uh then some some like the characters are attacking
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: him and he has a bandage wrapped his hand is
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: wrapped in a bandage and then he like his instinct
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: he avoiding is using his hand. Then the bandages fall
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: off and that's a creature hand. Then uh yeah, once
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: his hand exposed and he kills everybody like a crazy
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: power he has. Then uh, then struggle in his discovery
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: of who he is and who's the enemy is and
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: I he hate trying to find out you know that
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: he's iiding identity. So in a bunch of characters, you know,
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: like an indust girl with special power characters. And visually
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: it's cool, but you know, first of all, I have
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: to focus on the Hanna to complete fund it first
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: of course it's complete. Yeah, but yeah, I have more
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: ideas in the future.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Awesome, you know, with a keto, it's interesting, you know,
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: a key really you know was big in the nineties
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: when Steven Sagall was you know, doing his movies, and
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: now it's sort of yeah, you know, they say that
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: every decade has its martial arts. The nineties was a keto,
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: now it's like mixed martial arts. In the eighties it
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: was kickboxing, in the seventies it was kung fu, and
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: the sixth was karate. So it's yeah, they always say
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: that everywhere in the eighties also is ni jitsu, but
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: they always say that every decade. But it'd be cool
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: to see a keto come back, especially the guys, because
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: when they can actually you know, use the throws and
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: and stuff like that, it's you know, it's it's pretty interesting,
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: you know, and you know, because now it's it's more
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: of like a Brazilian judy. But I've actually practiced, you,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: I've practiced Brazilian jiujitsu.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: And that's cool.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I actually practiced at a place called Exercise
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: in Philadelphia and it was actually the the oldest judo
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: club on the East Coast and uh it's been there
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: for for years upon years, and uh uh they practiced judo,
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: kido and Brazilian jiu jitsu.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Oh that's cool, that's great.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's pretty cool. But yeah, I've done that
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: practice and I know exactly where you're coming from.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And there's many like old old techniques. You know,
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: you're something you have never seen in the movie yet.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: Then I'm just researching and you know those and my
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: instructor has got lots of idea and it's pretty interesting.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: I'm just making test action action cuts.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: and now back to the show.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: And uh, you want to show something unique and it's
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: not a typical like a Steven Siga, I kiddo, or
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: the you know some some other movies. I just don't
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: want to make something new, new action.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm waiting for Sistema to make a stable.
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I met the uh uh Mikail Reboco. Yeah, yeah,
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: he hit me pretty light, but it was maybe yeah, incredible.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: What did you meant him at in Japan? Actually? Yeah,
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: I had the scouting seminar in Japan and when I
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: was there this happened. He has a semino over there
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: in the same same area. Yeah, it's just attended and
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: it's a great experience.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a pretty interesting. Marshal erre I uh, I
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: actually didn't learn from him, but one of his disciples,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: disciples Vladimir Vasili in Canada, one of his guys. Uh
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: actually started training with him. Oh cool, so that's that's
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: what I'm doing now. So uh yeah, it's a small world, right, Yeah.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: I love the training method, you know, it's it's great.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: It's very similar to philosophy, is really similar to Akito.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Yes, and uh I you know that similar to it. Also,
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: I have nursed a taichi swan. Yeah that's yeah, it's
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: about relaxation. But yeah, it's it's it's pretty cool and
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: uh so uh sure you know, uh, Horotia, I know
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: you're a busy guy. I know you're busy with the
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: movie everything. So I won't I won't keep you anymore.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: But is there anything else you'd like to talk about
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: that that we haven't touched upon.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just want to just to say about Kahna.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: You know, it's the uh this is a really really
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: great original story. You know, I don't I don't know
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: anything similar to this. It's pretty original. And uh the
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: visio of course, you know, it's the Uh. I'm working
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: with the top effects guys in the water. So yeah,
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: it's gonna be a great movie. And I'm not gonna
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: turn it down time you guys down. It's gonna be
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: a great movie, so please please support my movie and
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: please pledge. So that's my message.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: And yeah again I repeat Herosie's message. I would advise
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: you guys to check it out linked to the show notes.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: But I think it's it's gonna be a cool, really
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: cool project. And uh and uh you know, I hope
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: you guys check it out and doing it. Haroshi, thank
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: you very much for coming on. Yeah, thank you, thank
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: you any time. And all right, and make sure you
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: check out Horoshi. It's called Guhana, which is g e
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: h A N n A. It's the Facebook page.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: No, no g e h E and then.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I that's better on my g e h
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: E N A and A. Yeah. And also you can
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: hershe's there a website anemic in view your work at.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, gehanafilm dot com. Yeah, and then you can look
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: for the Facebook and Gehannah and burst.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Thank you verch coming on again. Yeah, thanks so much,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: Hey time, buddy, take care.
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, take care.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: a great job on this episode. If you want to
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: get links to anything we spoke about in this episode,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: head over to the show notes at indie film Huscle
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: dot com forward Slash eight sixty one. If you have
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: it already, please head over to Filmmaking podcast dot com,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: subscribe and leave a good review for the show. It
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: really helps us out a lot, guys.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Thank you again so much for listening to guys.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: As always, keep that hustle going, keep that dream alive,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Stay safe out there, and I'll talk to you soon.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Indie Film Hustle podcast at
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Indie film Hustle dot com. That's I N D I
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: E F I L M h U S T l
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: E dot com.