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Happy Thanksgiving from Brian Thomas and 55KRC · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: Heytato six fifty five KRCD Talk station. Hope everyone's telling
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Speaker 1: a happy Friday, please to Welcome to the fifty five
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Speaker 1: KRC Morning Show. Bill Potts as background motivational speaker, business leader,
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Speaker 1: community builder. He's held executive roles at Ironman Group and
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Speaker 1: Clearwater Marine Aquarium, co founder and managing director of marketing
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Speaker 1: agency Remedy, three sixty five lecturer at Tulane University. In
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Speaker 1: addition to being an Ironman triathlete, he is also a
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Speaker 1: five time cancer survivor and author of the book We're
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Speaker 1: talking about Today, Up for the Fight. How you to
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Speaker 1: advocate for yourself as you battle cancer from a five
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Speaker 1: time survivor. Bill Potts, Welcome to the fifty five KRC
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Speaker 1: Morning Show. It's a real pleasure to have you on
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Speaker 1: this morning.
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Speaker 2: Oh Brian, it's a pleasure to be on your show.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: And according to my producer, you and I have something
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Speaker 1: in common and that's lymphoma.
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Speaker 4: Yeah we do, we do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, mine, I had stage three lymphalma in two thousand
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Speaker 2: and eight and then came back in twenty fourteen, twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 2: and twenty and twenty, so we do have that in common.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, congrats on your success with that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just recently had a CT scan, actually
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Speaker 1: two back to back. There were several months apart. My
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Speaker 1: lymph nodes did start growing back. I had retuction treatment
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Speaker 1: and I was able to keep it at bay for
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Speaker 1: about three three and a half years. But the scan
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Speaker 1: revealed that the nodes were growing a little bit. But
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Speaker 1: I've been given the option of just sort of taking
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Speaker 1: a weight and see approach, and that's currently where I am.
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Speaker 1: So I engaged in some dietary changes. I removed all
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Speaker 1: the sugar from my diet. I've reduced a lot of
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Speaker 1: the carbs for my diet, lost some weight, So I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure that's going to keep it at bay. But
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Speaker 1: I know there's a correlation between sugar and cancer. Whether
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Speaker 1: it's lymphoma related, I don't know, but I was willing to
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Speaker 1: try that out and I feel a lot healthier for it.
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Speaker 1: So next scan taking place in June, and I'm hoping
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Speaker 1: that we don't see any more growth. But I know
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Speaker 1: there's treatment options out there for me. And you've obviously
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Speaker 1: been through that, which particular respective you said stage three.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had stage three non Hodgkin's lymphoma.
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Speaker 4: Uh so that's yeah.
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Speaker 2: I went through retuction as well, and there was recently
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Speaker 2: as four years ago, I went through a more harsh
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Speaker 2: treatment of chemotherapy treatment. So yeah, it's it's been interesting.
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Speaker 2: My wife jokes that it took me getting cancer five
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Speaker 2: times before I finally cleaned up my diet, but that
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Speaker 2: that does make a difference. So I am very very
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Speaker 2: strict on you know, fruits and vegetables. I limitedairy, red meat,
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Speaker 2: alcohols limited, and so I lean into as healthy a
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Speaker 2: diet as I can, like you do. And also I
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Speaker 2: lean into exercise because for me, I'm trying always to
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Speaker 2: be ready for when it comes back and also do
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Speaker 2: everything I can to lengthen the amount of time before
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Speaker 2: that happens.
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Speaker 1: Well, you got to be physically fit to do compete
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Speaker 1: in Iron Man. Come on, Bill, Yeah, that's true.
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Speaker 2: That was trying to prove to my three kids that
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Speaker 2: no matter what happens to you in life, if you
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Speaker 2: get focused and put your mind to it, you can
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Speaker 2: accomplish anything. And so yeah, I taught them that lesson. Well,
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Speaker 2: and a couple of my kids followed in my footsteps
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Speaker 2: on the triathlon stuff, which is pretty cool.
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Speaker 1: Well, what motivated you to be so open and share
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Speaker 1: your cancer journey with and I, of course write the
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Speaker 1: book up for the fight.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't my idea. I actually was going through
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Speaker 2: a chemoth er B treatment in September of twenty twenty,
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Speaker 2: and before that treatment, I'd had surgery to remove a
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Speaker 2: tumor below my right hip, and when I woke up
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Speaker 2: from the surgery, Brian, I had an emotional breakdown and
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Speaker 2: told the nurse that I was done. I wasn't up
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Speaker 2: for the fight anymore, that I knew what was coming,
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Speaker 2: and I'd had a great life and a great career
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Speaker 2: and a great family, and I was throwing into towel.
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Speaker 2: So she called in the pastor at Mayo and we
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Speaker 2: came and talked about it for a while, about an
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Speaker 2: hour and a half, and she said, hey, Bill, let's
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Speaker 2: reconnect with the reasons why you should fight. And I
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Speaker 2: did fight for my family, fight for my friends, fight
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Speaker 2: for my meeting, for work, and also to fight to
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Speaker 2: make God proud. So I'd reset my mindset and was
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Speaker 2: really up for the fight. At the end of this conversation, Brian,
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Speaker 2: she leans into me and goes nos to nos and says,
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Speaker 2: I got one more thing for you, Bill, like what
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Speaker 2: she goes. I want you to turn your pain into
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Speaker 2: purpose and write a book to help others. So I
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Speaker 2: thought about it for a few seconds and said yes,
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Speaker 2: reached out to a publisher who the CEO called and said,
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Speaker 2: do we want to do this book? I'm like, why
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Speaker 2: she goes. I lost one of my best friends to
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Speaker 2: breast cancer recently, and this is the book I wish
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Speaker 2: somebody had written for her. So we want to write
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Speaker 2: a book like What to Expect when You're Expecting, but
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Speaker 2: for cancer patients, with some stuff thrown in for the
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Speaker 2: friends and family of cancer patients as well, because it
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Speaker 2: will be meaningful and it will change lives and hopefully
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Speaker 2: save some lives. And so I wrote it while I
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Speaker 2: was going through treatment and was really thankful to get
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Speaker 2: that done and get it out.
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Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned the loss of hope and thrown in
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Speaker 1: the towel. How does one you know after you get
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Speaker 1: a cancer diagnosis? And of course some cancers are far
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Speaker 1: more aggressive than others. Some are caught far later after metastasization,
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Speaker 1: you know, stage four cancers and things like that, and
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Speaker 1: people only learn late in the process that they have
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Speaker 1: this progressive disease. Obviously there's going to be a problem
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Speaker 1: finding some hope amid all that gloom and doom? How
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Speaker 1: does one advocate for oneself? And and you know, I've
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Speaker 1: always turned on I have great family support. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm I married out. I can't kicked my coverage with marriage,
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Speaker 1: and I get inspiration from my wife and for my
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Speaker 1: family and from my mom, and I try not to
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Speaker 1: even think about it. I just ignore it like it's
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Speaker 1: no big deal. It's like just part of my life.
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Speaker 1: But see, I've got I'm surrounded, and I also have
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Speaker 1: good doctors. So what does one do to advocate for
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Speaker 1: themselves amid all this?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think.
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Speaker 2: That's by the way, I tick my coverage too with
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Speaker 2: my wife, and I've got the same family support.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 2: For me, it's about treating it. Advocating for myself is
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Speaker 2: that I have to own my own journey, meaning I
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Speaker 2: have to be involved and my family has to be
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Speaker 2: involved in all these decisions from where to go, to
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Speaker 2: getting second opinions, to doing things like you're doing, managing
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Speaker 2: your diet and exercise all those things. So the way
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Speaker 2: I deal with it is I deal with it a
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Speaker 2: little bit like it's my job. So it's my job
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Speaker 2: when I'm going through it to get better. Now, my
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Speaker 2: job is to prevent it from coming back and make
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Speaker 2: sure I'm in good shape when it comes back. And
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Speaker 2: so a lot of folks look at the healthcare journey
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Speaker 2: as the doctors own it, and it's really not the case.
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Speaker 5: It's you own it.
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Speaker 2: It's your life, and so you have to be really
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Speaker 2: involved in all those decisions and understand what's happening and
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Speaker 2: surround yourself with the right team of doctors and the
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Speaker 2: support that you need, and then it's your journey, not
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Speaker 2: somebody else's.
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Speaker 1: Well, how a practical stuff that folks can take to
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Speaker 1: make their treatment days more comfortable. Now, Fortunately, as you
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Speaker 1: probably know, retuction doesn't really come with a whole lot
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Speaker 1: of side effects, unlike chemo therapy, which has some profoundly
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Speaker 1: negative side effects. So along the lines is something more
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Speaker 1: aggressive in terms of treatment and more profound in terms
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Speaker 1: of side effects chemo therapy. What what can folks do
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Speaker 1: to make that make it more comfortable or less painful
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Speaker 1: in their life?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think first of all, you've got the emotional
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Speaker 2: and mental piece, which, as you know, even walking into
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Speaker 2: a retucentreatment, the emotional side of it. Oh and sou
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Speaker 2: and I actually actually had an antiflexis reaction to to
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Speaker 2: retuction time, so that, yeah, you know how scary that is.
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Speaker 2: You're talking about waking up at what's going on.
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Speaker 6: Until that happened.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they had to slow the drip down. They're trying
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Speaker 1: to get me in and out a little bit faster,
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Speaker 1: so they up the drip level. And man, I am
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Speaker 1: telling you, that is the weirdest and almost awful sensation ever.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. Yeah, it's pretty tough.
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Speaker 2: So the way it works for me is, yeah, a
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Speaker 2: couple of days before treatment, I'm kind of a mess
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Speaker 2: and I don't talk to anybody and just people just
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Speaker 2: leave me along. But when I get outside the doors
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Speaker 2: of the cancer center, my mind switches and now it's
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Speaker 2: my job to get this done. This is one step
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Speaker 2: and healing. I also always make sure I have somebody
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Speaker 2: with me. I also, as you know, it gets cold
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Speaker 2: in there, make sure I got a sweatshirt, ski caf
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Speaker 2: baseball calf, got some water to drink. I don't The
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Speaker 2: first time I went in, Brian, I was so ignorant.
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Speaker 2: I took my laptop. I was planning to work and
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Speaker 2: so now I know if I'm going in there, just
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Speaker 2: plan to relax the best I can, and I get
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Speaker 2: through it, and I count up to the halfway point
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Speaker 2: I went through. Generally I'm somewhere around twelve to fourteen treatments.
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Speaker 2: I'll count up and then when I get to the
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Speaker 2: halfway point, I start counting down. That helps me from
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Speaker 2: mental side, you know how much progress that I'm making.
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Speaker 1: Oh, that's an interesting way of looking at it. And
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Speaker 1: there are a lot of support organizations out there. I
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Speaker 1: think of the I feel so so terribly for someone
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Speaker 1: who's dealing with this problem. This is cancer diagnosis and
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Speaker 1: being alone in the world in that regard. I'm blessed
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Speaker 1: to have a family in support, you know, in my
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Speaker 1: own home, to help me deal with the problems associated
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Speaker 1: with cancer, mental and otherwise. But there are some great
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Speaker 1: support groups out there that can help out and have
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Speaker 1: resources for you and to interact with folks who are
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Speaker 1: also struggling like you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been remarkable for me. I leaned into the
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Speaker 2: Leukemia and Phoma Society. I guide people to whatever cancer
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Speaker 2: it is. There's a national cancer nonprofit in the US
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Speaker 2: that can provide you support. I leaned into some Facebook
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Speaker 2: groups for support. I recommend professional therapy if you can
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Speaker 2: get it, somebody listen to you. You do want to
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Speaker 2: lean on your family and friends, but you also need
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Speaker 2: to lean on outside support because there are things that
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Speaker 2: you can share with them that you might not feel
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Speaker 2: comfortable with sharing with your family. And you also, as
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Speaker 2: you did too, Brian, you've got to keep an eye
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Speaker 2: on the family and make sure that they they're okay.
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Speaker 2: So part of my job and my life job was
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Speaker 2: to keep an eye on the three kids and to
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Speaker 2: make sure that they were handling it well and to
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Speaker 2: make sure they had the support and resources they need
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Speaker 2: to go through it too, because the family goes through
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Speaker 2: it and the friends go through it, not just the patient.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a certain degree of that. I can understand that.
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Speaker 1: And well to the family and others that are struggling
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Speaker 1: with a loved one's cancer diagnosis, how do they help
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Speaker 1: and support that love them with maybe how without overwhelming them?
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Speaker 1: I mean some people are like, oh my god, they
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Speaker 1: funnel over people and like, oh my god, anything I
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Speaker 1: can do for you, And sometimes that can be a
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Speaker 1: little bit troubling for the person who's dealing with the
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Speaker 1: cancer diagnosis.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's It's true. Sometimes your friends disappear. Sometimes they
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Speaker 2: lean in a little bit too much, and so there's
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Speaker 2: really a few things. Is number one, to be present
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Speaker 2: when you're with them. Number two is ask them if
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Speaker 2: there's anything you can do for them, But not only that,
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Speaker 2: maybe suggest something that you can do for them and
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Speaker 2: see what they say. I don't know how you were
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Speaker 2: with people coming over to visit and food and things
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Speaker 2: like that, but that wasn't really working well for me.
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Speaker 2: I don't My sense of taste was kind of a mess,
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Speaker 2: and my sense of smell was kind of a mess,
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Speaker 2: and so you know, food tasted differently. And the best
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Speaker 2: thing that my friends have done for me, I'm sure
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Speaker 2: for you is to say, hey, can I come see
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Speaker 2: you and then just sit there and talk about anything
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Speaker 2: but the cancer. Let's talk about Let's talk about basketball
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Speaker 2: or football or baseball, some of my passions. Let's talk
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Speaker 2: about your family, Let's talk about my family. But let's
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Speaker 2: give me a break from all the cancer talk, because
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Speaker 2: I get that enough.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And everybody's curious because they love you. They just
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Speaker 1: want to know if everything's okay. And I get to
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Speaker 1: ask that question from time to time, and I don't
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Speaker 1: mind hearing the question. To me, that's just a sign
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Speaker 1: of love, concern, and support, and that's what do you
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Speaker 1: expect from friends. But I guess my symptoms and my
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Speaker 1: treatments weren't ever as bad as yours in terms of
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Speaker 1: my body's reaction to it. And I just really don't
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Speaker 1: even talk about it. Like I said, Bill, It's just
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Speaker 1: part of my life and I just accept it for
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Speaker 1: what it is. It's the hand that the cards that
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Speaker 1: God dealt me, and I'm happy to play with them.
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Speaker 1: So that's where I sort of get my optimism. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's kind of out of my hands. I just go
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Speaker 1: with the treatments and just enjoy and embrace the support
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Speaker 1: that's provided, and of course get a copy of the
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Speaker 1: book Up for the fight. How do you advocate for
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Speaker 1: yourself as you battle cancer? From a five time survivor, Bill,
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Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for writing the book for
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Speaker 1: all of us out here who needs some resources and
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Speaker 1: guidance to help. And you obviously have been down this
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Speaker 1: road as a five time cancer survivor. That's truly amazing, Bill,
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Speaker 1: and congratulations on that, and I wish you all the
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Speaker 1: health and the best in the world.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, back at you. And this book has changed
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Speaker 2: my life in so many profound ways because now I
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Speaker 2: hear from cancer patients all the time, and I'm able
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Speaker 2: to mentor them and coach them through their journey. So
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Speaker 2: I've accidentally become an expert in a lot of other
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Speaker 2: different types of cancer other than the ones I've had.
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Speaker 2: So if you need it, if you have anybody that
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Speaker 2: needs some coaching.
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Speaker 7: Or whatever, Brian, just reach out, Just reach out.
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Speaker 1: Bill's been a pleasure, and congratulations. Obviously a very well
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Speaker 1: rated book on Amazon. You're almost at a full five
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Speaker 1: stars across the board and some really positive reviews from
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Speaker 1: folks in the medical profession. So well done, and thanks
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Speaker 1: for your time this morning. Bill, It's been a real pleasure.
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Speaker 1: Heaving on the program coming up on eight oh five
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Speaker 1: and fifty five care CD talk station. I am very
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Speaker 1: happy Friday Eve to you. Been looking forward to this
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Speaker 1: conversation all morning. My next guest, Brian Reisinger. He grew
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Speaker 1: up on a family farm in Sault County, Wisconsin, and
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Speaker 1: loves to talk about the hidden stories of rural America.
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Speaker 1: Like most children of farmers, he worked with his father
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Speaker 1: from the time he could walk, before he ultimately entered
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Speaker 1: the world of business and business journalism, and public policy.
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Speaker 1: He has been published in like every single publication you
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Speaker 1: can think of, USA Today, Newsweek, Yahoo News, Wisconsin Public Radios,
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Speaker 1: Wisconsin Life. I could go on Real Clear Politics and
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Speaker 1: go to that site all the time. He also is
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Speaker 1: an award winner National Society of Newspaper Calmness, first place
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Speaker 1: in Seven Hills Literary Contrast Contest, and the Saul Sword
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Speaker 1: And I could go on, but today we're going to
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Speaker 1: talk about his very first book, Land Rich, Cash Poor,
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Speaker 1: My Family's Hope and the Untold History of the Disappearing
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Speaker 1: American farmer. Brian, Welcome to the Morning Show. It's a
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Speaker 1: real pleasure to have you on today.
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Speaker 5: Hey, good morning, it's good to be with you.
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Speaker 1: I feel like I have some at least connection with you.
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Speaker 1: I am I'll kicked my coverage when I married my wife.
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Speaker 1: She grew up on a rural dairy farm out in Pennsylvania,
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Speaker 1: a little town no one's ever heard of called Avella.
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Speaker 1: Her dad literally worked his entire life every single day.
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Speaker 1: If you don't milk the cows twice a day, you
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Speaker 1: don't get paid. So it was a small farm, a
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Speaker 1: house he built himself. They all grew up, they all
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Speaker 1: worked the farm, never had really much money at all,
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Speaker 1: but it was just it's just it's an amazing life.
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Speaker 1: When you hear the stories and the hardships that go
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Speaker 1: along with it, it's not an easy life at all.
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Speaker 1: Something I know that I'm telling you that you know
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Speaker 1: about and so quite often, you know, multiple generations. You know,
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Speaker 1: kids want to move away, they want to go to
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Speaker 1: the city. They don't want to follow in their fathers
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Speaker 1: or mother's footsteps. And I suppose that's part of this
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Speaker 1: disappearing American farmer concept. But it's beyond that, isn't it,
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Speaker 1: Because it's expensive to be a small farmer these days.
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Speaker 7: You're absolutely right. I'm so glad we share that history.
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Speaker 7: And it sounds like your wife's probably a hard working
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Speaker 7: person in all the values and had a great child.
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Speaker 7: And you know, you're absolutely right in terms of the
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Speaker 7: way you describe the way of life. And here's the issue.
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Speaker 7: It goes so deep. It does have to do with
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Speaker 7: what's our next generation doing, but it has to do
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Speaker 7: with economic factors, governmental factors, technological factors, all kinds of
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Speaker 7: ways that we've been leaving our family farmers behind.
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Speaker 5: That's what we do in the book.
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Speaker 7: We dive into the hidden airs of history that are
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Speaker 7: driving that disappearance, Why is it happening, and what's the
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Speaker 7: consequence to all of us? And then we leave that
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Speaker 7: with my family's story, and those are stories that are
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Speaker 7: probably like the ones you heard from your wife's family stories.
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Speaker 7: Is survival of know.
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Speaker 5: Weather farm accident.
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Speaker 7: Second, I a cup people from the depression to today,
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Speaker 7: and you know, it's definitely a unique thing. It's a
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Speaker 7: life filled with with both beauty and hardship that goes
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Speaker 7: hand in hand.
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Speaker 1: Well growing up, you know, I not not fully appreciating
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Speaker 1: the concept of the small, the family farm by contrast
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Speaker 1: to the corporate farm. And of course, if you're a
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Speaker 1: corporate farm, you can afford to buy the what I
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Speaker 1: don't know how much one of those massive tractors costs.
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Speaker 1: There are hundreds of thousands of dollars, and I just
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Speaker 1: I can't imagine a situation where my my now late
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Speaker 1: father in law, he lived in ninety three, I think
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Speaker 1: years old, the idea that he could ever afford something
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Speaker 1: that costs so much in order to just sort of
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Speaker 1: just try to keep up in terms of competing. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it it's just it represents such a colossal challenge for
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Speaker 1: small farmers to compete with, you know, somebody who's got
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Speaker 1: tens of millions of dollars because they're backed up by
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Speaker 1: major corporations.
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Speaker 5: You know, it does. And here's what's going on.
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Speaker 7: We've got that kind of force going on all across
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Speaker 7: our economy. So the food companies are working to keep
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Speaker 7: up with the rest of the American economy by getting
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Speaker 7: bigger and bigger. The agribusiness companies work and keep with
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Speaker 7: food companies, and the farmers are left trying to keep
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Speaker 7: up with the Agga business food company several are trying
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Speaker 7: to keep up with the Joneses.
17:12
Speaker 5: So you get farms, whether they're a big.
17:14
Speaker 7: Small, or medium, they are all trying to keep up
17:17
Speaker 7: with the Jones And everybody has that pressure to get
17:19
Speaker 7: bigger or get out. A lot of our bigger farmers
17:21
Speaker 7: got that way trying to survive a lot of our
17:23
Speaker 7: medium and smaller farms. You ended up not making it
17:26
Speaker 7: because that we do still have a lot of family
17:28
Speaker 7: farms left in this country.
17:29
Speaker 5: But it's truly against the odds.
17:31
Speaker 7: It's people like your father and long work continue to
17:33
Speaker 7: work trying to figure a way to be competitive, to
17:35
Speaker 7: be efficient, to be resourceful, even though the economic crises
17:39
Speaker 7: and government policies you hit them in unique ways that
17:42
Speaker 7: people don't understand. And even though so much of our technology,
17:45
Speaker 7: to your point, has been leaving family farms behind. It
17:47
Speaker 7: doesn't have to be this way, but it certainly is
17:50
Speaker 7: this way. With the deck stacked against our family farmer,
17:52
Speaker 7: who's whatever their type or size, fighting to keep going well.
17:55
Speaker 1: And it almost seems like they're intentionally trying to put
17:59
Speaker 1: the small farm out of business. And I don't know
18:03
Speaker 1: if you've ever seen it, and I know it's Britain
18:04
Speaker 1: or the United Kingdom, but Clarkson's farm, you know, Jeremy
18:07
Speaker 1: Clarkson has this farm and every show really illustrates the
18:12
Speaker 1: insanity of the micro management of government authorities over You
18:16
Speaker 1: know the types of crops that are grown, where they
18:19
Speaker 1: can be grown, you know the amount of moisture contact
18:22
Speaker 1: content in a rape seed, and it's almost as if
18:26
Speaker 1: they want to drive them out of business with rules
18:28
Speaker 1: and regulations. Then you keep on the whole idea of
18:30
Speaker 1: this climate change, religion, col flatulence. We need to regulate that,
18:35
Speaker 1: we need to regulate how much space your chickens have
18:37
Speaker 1: or your pork has. I mean, it just adds so
18:40
Speaker 1: much additional cost burden and I guess paperwork on the
18:43
Speaker 1: small farmer.
18:45
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, you're so right.
18:46
Speaker 7: Every single day, government requirements, regulations, taxes, different things are
18:51
Speaker 7: really waging war on the American family farmer and you know,
18:54
Speaker 7: the people who care about our environment. The irony is
18:57
Speaker 7: that there's nobody who cares as much about our health
19:00
Speaker 7: and abundant water, clean water as our farmers. So there's
19:03
Speaker 7: a lot of room for people who care about environment
19:05
Speaker 7: and farmers to work together. But the problem is our
19:07
Speaker 7: political debate's divide everybody, and we've got government that's really
19:09
Speaker 7: stamping out family farms. I give you one brief, perfect example.
19:12
Speaker 7: This happens. This stuff happens every single day. But there's
19:14
Speaker 7: really really curious times in our history were escalated in
19:18
Speaker 7: the farm crisis. The government was pushing more debt on
19:21
Speaker 7: farms to make them get bigger, and then within a
19:23
Speaker 7: few years they raised interest rates because they were trying
19:25
Speaker 7: to deal with inflation. You can argue for or against
19:28
Speaker 7: the government trying to encourage farmers to expand you can
19:31
Speaker 7: argue for or against changing interest rates, but when you
19:34
Speaker 7: push debt on them with the government, and then you
19:36
Speaker 7: use that same government to make that debt more expensive,
19:39
Speaker 7: you wipe out tens of thousands of farms. My parents,
19:41
Speaker 7: we tell the story.
19:42
Speaker 5: In the book.
19:43
Speaker 7: They just barely survived that they had been dealing with
19:45
Speaker 7: a drought and almost had to take out a bunch
19:47
Speaker 7: of debt right before the farm crisis hit. They didn't
19:50
Speaker 7: have to do that because they've banded together with neighbors
19:51
Speaker 7: to get through that drought year, and they avoided taken
19:54
Speaker 7: on debt which would have wiped them out in the
19:56
Speaker 7: nineteen eighties, just like happened to tens of thousands farms,
19:58
Speaker 7: all at the hand of our governm.
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Speaker 1: And I'm so glad you brought that up, that you
20:02
Speaker 1: banded together, because I've also gotten stories from my wife,
20:06
Speaker 1: you know, anecdotes, and it's like, I shouldn't I should
20:09
Speaker 1: give credit to my dad's side of the family too,
20:10
Speaker 1: because they were all what I call dirt farmers in Tennessee.
20:14
Speaker 1: So I got farm stock on both sides. But the
20:17
Speaker 1: idea of community, and this is one of the more
20:19
Speaker 1: positive things and one of the realities of you know,
20:21
Speaker 1: when you ask yourself, when you hear about you and
20:23
Speaker 1: I talking about all this crisis and the problems and
20:25
Speaker 1: the difficulties of being a farmer. There are so many
20:28
Speaker 1: rewards to being a small farmer, and part of it
20:31
Speaker 1: is that sense of community because the entire region where
20:34
Speaker 1: my wife grew up, they're all farmers. They're all engaged
20:36
Speaker 1: in the dairy business or you know, or or at
20:39
Speaker 1: least some aspect of farming. And when the hard times hit,
20:42
Speaker 1: when people you know, struggle with difficulties, they all step
20:45
Speaker 1: up to the plate and help each other out. It's
20:46
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing to behold.
20:49
Speaker 5: That's absolutely right.
20:50
Speaker 7: By the way, I'm glad that they put a microphone
20:51
Speaker 7: in front of somebody who's got farming on both sides
20:53
Speaker 7: your family.
20:54
Speaker 5: That's outstanding.
20:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you see, I do you following the footsteps.
20:57
Speaker 1: I practiced law for sixteen years and I've been on
20:59
Speaker 1: the radio now for this is my nineteenth year. I
21:02
Speaker 1: think I was frightened away by the hardships that I
21:04
Speaker 1: saw when I was exposed to it.
21:06
Speaker 7: Brian, Well, I'll tell you we struggled with those same
21:09
Speaker 7: things in our family. My sister's work and take over
21:11
Speaker 7: the farm from my dad. I worked with my dad
21:13
Speaker 7: the time like a walk. I love my roots, but
21:14
Speaker 7: I didn't have their talent for cattle and crops. So
21:17
Speaker 7: although I still worked with them on the business side
21:19
Speaker 7: and they throw me a track from my dad, but
21:20
Speaker 7: you know, I pursued my writing career. I'm just honored
21:22
Speaker 7: to be able to tell the story. So you and
21:24
Speaker 7: I have come to some of the same things, but
21:26
Speaker 7: you know your point on neighbors banning together.
21:29
Speaker 5: You're absolutely right.
21:29
Speaker 7: That neighbor that I mentioned that helped my parents get
21:32
Speaker 7: through the farm crisis in nineteen eighty is what happened.
21:34
Speaker 7: Is he was an elderly man didn't need all the
21:36
Speaker 7: crops in his field. My dad was a young man
21:38
Speaker 7: starting out and had fields that were barely putting up
21:41
Speaker 7: the crops. He needed to feed his animals. So they
21:43
Speaker 7: went what they call halves, and you might know this
21:45
Speaker 7: from your own family background. When you go half one
21:47
Speaker 7: guy does the work and then they split the crop right. Well,
21:51
Speaker 7: the old man the name was Leo, and he refused
21:55
Speaker 7: to take his fair share. He gave my dad more
21:58
Speaker 7: of the crop than he ought to have, and my
22:00
Speaker 7: dad kept on going down there trying to pay him money.
22:02
Speaker 7: And you walked into the guy's cigarette, you know, filled
22:06
Speaker 7: living and trying to hand him money there after day timing.
22:08
Speaker 7: The guy said, you just got married, you don't know
22:09
Speaker 7: me nothing, to take it and go, And we get
22:11
Speaker 7: emotional just thinking about what he's been gone for a
22:13
Speaker 7: number of years now. But if he hadn't done that,
22:16
Speaker 7: my parents would have taken out a load of debt
22:17
Speaker 7: potentially just before the farm crisis hit. And it was
22:21
Speaker 7: that working together and that sense of local community that
22:25
Speaker 7: really got people through. And by the way, you know,
22:26
Speaker 7: my dad was able to help this guy, but he
22:28
Speaker 7: put in extra hours working around the clock to get
22:30
Speaker 7: the crops off this guy's feel So it was people
22:33
Speaker 7: helping people.
22:33
Speaker 5: You know.
22:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the other sense I always get is in
22:37
Speaker 1: another story back in from my wife. Back in the seventies,
22:40
Speaker 1: we went through stagflation and the economy went down the toilet,
22:43
Speaker 1: and I'm sure it happened in multiple different times over
22:45
Speaker 1: the life of that particular farm and my father in law.
22:48
Speaker 1: But because they were realistic and not materialistic, they pretty
22:55
Speaker 1: much were self sufficient. They didn't you know, want more.
22:58
Speaker 1: They didn't think that, oh my god, I wish I
23:00
Speaker 1: had a better this, or that they had everything. They needed,
23:03
Speaker 1: and so when hard times hit the general population and
23:07
Speaker 1: people then had to do without something, they became used
23:10
Speaker 1: to like, oh, we're going to have to cut back
23:11
Speaker 1: on this, or we need to drop the country club membership.
23:14
Speaker 1: Because of the you know, the economic thing, their life
23:17
Speaker 1: remained static. They continued to live at the same level,
23:20
Speaker 1: which was enough to feed them and satisfy them and
23:23
Speaker 1: pay the bills, and they it was sort of if
23:24
Speaker 1: they didn't have a newspaper, they didn't even realize the
23:27
Speaker 1: rest of the world was going through this turmoil.
23:30
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's absolutely right.
23:31
Speaker 7: You know, it's one of the things that I encountered
23:33
Speaker 7: so much when I was working on the book because
23:36
Speaker 7: I knew these family stories, I knew bits and pieces
23:38
Speaker 7: of them, and I wanted to reconstruct and be able
23:40
Speaker 7: to tell the survival stories. But then I started researching
23:43
Speaker 7: what was going on around us at that time. What
23:45
Speaker 7: was happening to my great grandparents in the early nineteen
23:47
Speaker 7: nine so what was happening to my grandparents and the depression?
23:49
Speaker 7: What were the bigger forces at play? And it's so
23:52
Speaker 7: true that you know, when you're on the ground and
23:53
Speaker 7: the farm, you don't necessarily have a way to see
23:55
Speaker 7: the bigger forces affecting you and then vice versa. Right
23:58
Speaker 7: the rest of the country that's living out some of
24:00
Speaker 7: those forces doesn't necessarily get a chance to see what's.
24:03
Speaker 5: On the farm.
24:03
Speaker 7: And that's really the challenge. That's the core reason that
24:05
Speaker 7: our farms are disappearance because that disconnects. And here's the thing.
24:09
Speaker 7: It impacts not only our rural communities like where I'm
24:11
Speaker 7: from and like where your family has roots that are
24:13
Speaker 7: getting hollowed out, but it impacts every single American dinner
24:16
Speaker 7: table because when we're losing our farms, we're impacting the price,
24:19
Speaker 7: the health, the security of the food supply for every
24:21
Speaker 7: single American.
24:23
Speaker 1: Brian Rising or the author of the book we're talking
24:25
Speaker 1: about today, land Ridge Cash Poor, my Family's hope and
24:28
Speaker 1: the untold history of the disappearing American farmer, Brian, if
24:31
Speaker 1: you could fix something, and I mean, I guess for
24:34
Speaker 1: an initial question of the answer, can the small farm,
24:37
Speaker 1: can the the the American small farmer be saved? Can
24:42
Speaker 1: they continue, assuming they desire to continue farming as opposed
24:47
Speaker 1: to corporate sized farms, can they survive? And if there's
24:50
Speaker 1: something if the answer may be leaning toward no because
24:54
Speaker 1: of all the things that we sort of scratch the
24:55
Speaker 1: surface of that you dive deep to deep two in
24:57
Speaker 1: your book, what would you change that might lead to
25:01
Speaker 1: a better life for them or a more successful, lasting
25:05
Speaker 1: farm life.
25:06
Speaker 7: Absolutely, you know there is reason for hope. We've lost
25:09
Speaker 7: seventy percent of our farms in the past century, which
25:12
Speaker 7: is devastating, but we still got nearly two million left.
25:14
Speaker 7: And here's the incredible thing. Ninety six percent of our
25:17
Speaker 7: family farms and it's because people have farms that they're
25:19
Speaker 7: working part time will also pull them two to three
25:21
Speaker 7: jobs to keep things going. So these are families, nearly
25:25
Speaker 7: two million families that are you know, continuing to fight
25:28
Speaker 7: forward even though we haven't you know, made the economics
25:30
Speaker 7: work in this country. Imagine if we made the economics
25:32
Speaker 7: work again. And so we do need to change things,
25:35
Speaker 7: and there's moves we can make that can inject new
25:37
Speaker 7: entrepreneur opportunity out there for our farmers. We need to
25:40
Speaker 7: research and development revolution so that all of our technology
25:43
Speaker 7: is bringing farms of all sizes, medium and small as
25:45
Speaker 7: well as large along. We need to change our policies
25:48
Speaker 7: to make sure we've got fair markets for small businesses
25:50
Speaker 7: in this country. And we need to make sure the
25:52
Speaker 7: consumers who care about where their food comes from take
25:55
Speaker 7: steps toward buying from local farmers. Buy from a farmer
25:58
Speaker 7: down the road, you know that kind of thing.
25:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine that that was an injection of positivity
26:03
Speaker 1: the whole. Buy local, buy from your local farmers, the
26:07
Speaker 1: you know, eat and consume local. What's available fresh from
26:10
Speaker 1: the farm, you know, grass raised, be a grass fed
26:13
Speaker 1: beef raised from your local farmer. It should be easier
26:16
Speaker 1: for I suppose farmers to slaughter their own beef and
26:18
Speaker 1: sell it locally. Maybe I knew Congressman Thomas Massey's on
26:21
Speaker 1: my program a lot. I'm a huge fan of his.
26:23
Speaker 1: He has his own farm, and you know he is
26:25
Speaker 1: a big fan of you know, raw milk or some
26:27
Speaker 1: health benefits of that. My wife grew up drinking it,
26:30
Speaker 1: you know, straight from the Couch's as healthy as she
26:32
Speaker 1: could possibly be. So, you know, but maybe this RFK
26:37
Speaker 1: junior emphasis towards health might give that much needed infusion
26:41
Speaker 1: for the local farmer.
26:44
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, that's the whole. There's always opportunity in
26:46
Speaker 7: peril and for the farmer, and you know, people caring
26:49
Speaker 7: about where the food comes from en us shifting toward
26:51
Speaker 7: farmers able to meet the markets and meet now, but
26:54
Speaker 7: also meet new markets from people who care about local,
26:57
Speaker 7: regional fresh food, who care about specialty foods. Being able
27:00
Speaker 7: to shift our farm economy in that direction. That creates
27:02
Speaker 7: the entrepreneur opportunity for our farmers. It also creates more
27:04
Speaker 7: options for consumers. We've got to make sure that we
27:06
Speaker 7: make those transitions. Understand that farms are small businesses. Then
27:09
Speaker 7: I have a whole lot of money sitting around to
27:10
Speaker 7: invest in new things, but they can make change over time.
27:13
Speaker 7: And if we can get focused on that and every
27:14
Speaker 7: consumer takes a step toward the farmer, I know the
27:16
Speaker 7: farmers are ready to take more steps toward the consumer.
27:19
Speaker 1: And knowing the farmers the way I do, I know
27:20
Speaker 1: you are right on that. Brian Rising, your author of
27:22
Speaker 1: land Ridge Cash Poor, My Family's Hope and the Untold
27:25
Speaker 1: History of the Disappearing American Farmer, Hopefully we can reverse
27:28
Speaker 1: that process. Brian, it's been a real pleasure talking with
27:31
Speaker 1: you today. I appreciate you spending time with my listeners
27:32
Speaker 1: of me and for writing the book which is now
27:35
Speaker 1: available on my blog page at fifty five KRC dot
27:37
Speaker 1: com so people can easily get a copy of it,
27:39
Speaker 1: and I strongly encourage them to do that, because you
27:41
Speaker 1: will have a much more profound appreciation for the hard
27:44
Speaker 1: work that these men and women put in every single day. Brian,
27:47
Speaker 1: you take great care of yourself. In a very happy Tuesday, Pea,
27:50
Speaker 1: it's time for military badassery and a book to talk
27:55
Speaker 1: about my next guys. William Dunn, President's Strategic Resilience Group LC,
27:59
Speaker 1: started the company sixteen after retirement from a thirty three
28:02
Speaker 1: year career in the United States Military, during which he
28:05
Speaker 1: rose to the ranks of private through sergeant, second lieutenant
28:07
Speaker 1: through colonel Tenant Old Dominion University, got a BA from
28:10
Speaker 1: then Boston University, where he got a master's and a
28:13
Speaker 1: in business as well as strategic studies. Wants to complete
28:17
Speaker 1: the Military Basic School in the Infantry Officers Course in Quantico.
28:21
Speaker 1: He reported to any As Pensacola for flight training. Getting
28:25
Speaker 1: to the subject of the book, The sign is a
28:27
Speaker 1: Marine Cobra pilot and complete of multiple deployments and a
28:29
Speaker 1: seven month deployment to Iraq as commander of HMLA three
28:33
Speaker 1: sixty nine. The gun fighters and support of Operation of
28:36
Speaker 1: Rocky Freedom. Welcome to the program to talk about your
28:39
Speaker 1: book Gunfighters Rule, and thank you for your service. Retired
28:43
Speaker 1: Colonel William Bernard Dunn.
28:47
Speaker 3: Well, hey, Bryan, thanks for having me and I really
28:49
Speaker 3: appreciate that.
28:52
Speaker 5: Update there. So that sounded great.
28:54
Speaker 1: It's you man, it's you you lived in I appreciate it,
28:58
Speaker 1: all right. I gotta ask it before we get to
29:00
Speaker 1: talking about Gunfighters Rule and the story you've got there.
29:04
Speaker 1: Where did you get Berner from? Is the as the nickname?
29:08
Speaker 3: Well, let's let's let's just put it.
29:10
Speaker 1: This here we go.
29:12
Speaker 3: That's gonna that's gonna cost you a beer to get
29:14
Speaker 3: that hole.
29:14
Speaker 1: All right, I got a check. I got a stack
29:17
Speaker 1: of challenge coins, colonel, so I'll I'll be sure and
29:20
Speaker 1: have one in my pocket next time we sit down.
29:22
Speaker 1: Catch you off guard maybe, all right, I appreciate that. Now,
29:26
Speaker 1: Gunfighters Rule, obviously you lived a life, you were in combat.
29:30
Speaker 1: You flew. What kind of helicopter did you to fly?
29:32
Speaker 1: Was it a viper or a venom?
29:33
Speaker 8: Or it was a whiskey cobra, whisky cobra, the venom
29:38
Speaker 8: and the vipers. I got some time in the Huey's
29:41
Speaker 8: and uh, the four bladed cobra came out right as
29:45
Speaker 8: I was getting ready to retire. I got a bunch
29:47
Speaker 8: of simulator time, but I never actually got to fly to.
29:49
Speaker 5: The four Blady Cobra.
29:50
Speaker 1: Okay, so you you obviously, or at least I presumably you
29:54
Speaker 1: saw combat.
29:57
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, yeah, I saw combat uh many times, primarily
30:03
Speaker 8: as a Ford air controller during O A F one
30:06
Speaker 8: and then as a squadron commander of the Gunfighters in
30:09
Speaker 8: O F six eight.
30:10
Speaker 5: So I've got got quite a bit of.
30:12
Speaker 8: Time on the ground over in Iraq for four combat
30:16
Speaker 8: deployments to Iraq, and I did a combat deployment to Mogadishu,
30:21
Speaker 8: but I didn't I didn't return fire. They shot at us.
30:23
Speaker 8: We never saw whatever it's coming from.
30:25
Speaker 5: So a little bit of combat all over.
30:27
Speaker 8: But uh, you know, a lot of a lot of
30:29
Speaker 8: my brothers and sister did a lot more than me.
30:31
Speaker 1: So well, I understand you. Most folks that serve their
30:36
Speaker 1: country honorably always tell the story of the other guys
30:39
Speaker 1: and how much more of the other people did. And
30:41
Speaker 1: I'm certain that's a bit of being humble on your part.
30:44
Speaker 1: So is this is the gunfighters rule? Is it your
30:47
Speaker 1: story or is it a work of of Is it
30:51
Speaker 1: fictional account? Because you know, as I read the notes.
30:54
Speaker 1: It tells the story of a boy destined to become
30:56
Speaker 1: the United States Marine, which sounds like it could be
30:58
Speaker 1: either fact or fixed. Is this your story?
31:02
Speaker 5: Oh, it's my story for sure, all right, Well, Sue.
31:06
Speaker 8: Now, I started out a young, young lad with my
31:09
Speaker 8: father and mother were Air Force veterans, and my dad
31:11
Speaker 8: was in the Air Force. And when I was a
31:14
Speaker 8: young kid, my dad started talking about how awesome these
31:18
Speaker 8: marines were. Even though he was in the Air Force,
31:20
Speaker 8: he loved it. And our neighbor was a marine. I
31:22
Speaker 8: had a cousin was a marine, and uh, well, you know,
31:25
Speaker 8: long story short. My dad passed away when I was
31:27
Speaker 8: very young, and I talk about that in the book
31:31
Speaker 8: with some strange things happened during that time. And then
31:36
Speaker 8: when I turned seventeen, I joined the Marine Corps.
31:39
Speaker 1: That's amazing to get my mom to sign off.
31:41
Speaker 8: And there's a story about that in there too, because
31:44
Speaker 8: at first she said, she said, no.
31:46
Speaker 3: Marines are crazy. You're never going to the Marine Corps.
31:50
Speaker 1: That's great. Now I have to ask you you you
31:53
Speaker 1: mentioned you were shot at, and of course if you're
31:56
Speaker 1: in combat in a helicopter, I've always wondered because to me,
32:00
Speaker 1: that would be a pants soiling experience because you're in
32:04
Speaker 1: this this obviously visible aircraft overhead. And since we live
32:09
Speaker 1: in times with modern warfare and heat seeking rockets and
32:13
Speaker 1: shoulder fire missiles and things like that, how do you
32:16
Speaker 1: cope with that situation? And what do you do to
32:19
Speaker 1: avoid getting hit?
32:22
Speaker 5: Well, you just fly your tactics. And it's interesting.
32:27
Speaker 8: And I'll say this for myself and most of the
32:30
Speaker 8: Cobra plots I've talked to, no one's worried about themself
32:33
Speaker 8: getting shot down. You're worried about your women getting shot
32:36
Speaker 8: down or the guys on the ground. And that's the stress.
32:40
Speaker 8: And I remember we used to we used to escort
32:42
Speaker 8: trucks and you're driving, you know, you're flying covers overhead,
32:46
Speaker 8: and you're escorting trucks and one time a truck hit
32:48
Speaker 8: an ID and blew up.
32:49
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
32:51
Speaker 8: The feeling of that is insurmountable because you're helpless. And
32:57
Speaker 8: so one day, and we talk about this in the book,
33:00
Speaker 8: a truck hits.
33:00
Speaker 5: An I D.
33:02
Speaker 8: And we find a guy that we call him the
33:05
Speaker 8: trigger man, and we find him and I'm rolling in
33:08
Speaker 8: to shoot him and I can see him plain this
33:10
Speaker 8: day from a code bore about three hundred feet. He
33:12
Speaker 8: surrounds himself with the women and children literally so we
33:16
Speaker 8: don't shoot. That was a tough day, and we talk
33:19
Speaker 8: a little bit. It's called uh, it's called Gunfighter Village
33:22
Speaker 8: in the book. That is uh. You know, if I
33:26
Speaker 8: talked the Marines that that were with me on that day,
33:28
Speaker 8: we still get stressed out about it. But but we
33:32
Speaker 8: got everybody out. Uh nobody, Well, I shouldn't say that.
33:38
Speaker 8: Nobody on our side. There's two sides of this river.
33:41
Speaker 8: Nobody on our side of the river got killed. But
33:43
Speaker 8: on the other side of the our army brothers, they
33:46
Speaker 8: took a beating and lost lost some soldiers pretty pretty terribly.
33:50
Speaker 1: Oh it's a shame, and you got to live with
33:51
Speaker 1: that the rest of your life. Now I hear, I'm
33:56
Speaker 1: reading that you mentioned a family destroyed by tragedies as
34:02
Speaker 1: well as disillusionment, disillusionment by the institution. Can you put
34:06
Speaker 1: a little flesh on the bones of that without revealing
34:08
Speaker 1: too much. It's in the book because I know my
34:09
Speaker 1: listen is gonna just eat this up.
34:13
Speaker 8: Well, so you know, think I'm eleven years old. My
34:17
Speaker 8: dad dies right the following year, our house burns down.
34:21
Speaker 8: Oh my god, not all the way down, but it
34:24
Speaker 8: burns up so bad we had to move That was
34:27
Speaker 8: coming off my mother, who early on in her life
34:30
Speaker 8: had had a stroke, a very terrible stroke.
34:35
Speaker 5: So she had a stroke, my dad died, house burns up, we.
34:39
Speaker 8: Got to move out, and then my mother ultimately we
34:44
Speaker 8: end up moving into a great house. We end up
34:46
Speaker 8: losing that house because she she couldn't afford it. So
34:50
Speaker 8: a bunch of tragedy there, and you know, some stuff
34:52
Speaker 8: growing up that we learned.
34:54
Speaker 5: And then you know, I love the Marine Corps. I
34:57
Speaker 5: love the Marine Corps.
34:58
Speaker 8: When you read the book, people want to seeing exactly
35:00
Speaker 8: what I'm talking about. There are some things that happen
35:03
Speaker 8: within our beautiful corps that are not great. And like
35:09
Speaker 8: when I joined the Marine Corps when I was seventeen,
35:11
Speaker 8: I was going to be a marine recon.
35:13
Speaker 5: That's what I was promised.
35:15
Speaker 8: And when I'm at boot camp and I talk about
35:17
Speaker 8: this in the book, they call out done supply.
35:21
Speaker 5: I said, well hold on, hold on, there's a mistake.
35:24
Speaker 8: And my start instructor, he looks at me in the eyes,
35:26
Speaker 8: was a great, great Savanni goes your recruiter lied to
35:29
Speaker 8: you and and he did.
35:34
Speaker 5: He did.
35:34
Speaker 8: I came back, I went to see him. He goes,
35:36
Speaker 8: I lied to you, you're a marine who cares. And
35:38
Speaker 8: he was right. And so that's the weird thing. But
35:41
Speaker 8: I love the Marine Corps.
35:43
Speaker 5: You know.
35:44
Speaker 8: It's like, I won't allow anyone that's not a marine
35:47
Speaker 8: to talk bad about the Marine Corps. But the Marines
35:50
Speaker 8: know what I'm talking about. We are we are a cult,
35:54
Speaker 8: and we are a tribe. But not everybody in the
35:57
Speaker 8: tribe is uh perfect, if you will, and I'm not perfect.
36:01
Speaker 5: We all all of us.
36:03
Speaker 8: I don't know a single marine that hasn't made a
36:04
Speaker 8: mistake to where they could have been, you know, their
36:07
Speaker 8: career could have ended. I don't know one, including some
36:09
Speaker 8: of my friends that have risen to very high general
36:11
Speaker 8: officer ranks. Every one of us have made a mistake
36:15
Speaker 8: that we could have been fired relieved. You know, you
36:17
Speaker 8: just never know. And I guess from what I've talked.
36:21
Speaker 1: I've talked to many, many folks who've served or actually
36:25
Speaker 1: currently served, and I have a lot of listeners in
36:27
Speaker 1: my audience who are part of the broader military family,
36:31
Speaker 1: if I can characterize it that way. And one of
36:33
Speaker 1: the things that's come through regularly. Is that after being
36:37
Speaker 1: discharged from the military, you go into civilian life and
36:40
Speaker 1: one of the problems that retired military face they missed
36:44
Speaker 1: the camaraderie. It sounds me like you thoroughly enjoyed the
36:47
Speaker 1: camaraderie of the Marines. And how did you adjust to
36:50
Speaker 1: post military life in the absence of, you know, your
36:53
Speaker 1: your brothers, if I may put it that way.
36:56
Speaker 8: Well, that's a great question. So I opened a company
36:59
Speaker 8: with two other retire Marines and we support Davy, Marine Corps,
37:02
Speaker 8: Army Air Force.
37:04
Speaker 5: All over the world. That's how I cope with it.
37:08
Speaker 8: But yeah, so I get to spend some time with Marines,
37:11
Speaker 8: not every week, but definitely a couple of times a month.
37:15
Speaker 8: And I will tell you this, here's the big difference
37:18
Speaker 8: when you transition in for any veterans out there, you
37:21
Speaker 8: probably will agree anyone getting ready to retire or get
37:24
Speaker 8: out think about this is that you know, when you're
37:28
Speaker 8: a sergeant in the Marine Corps or a colonel in
37:30
Speaker 8: the Marine Corps and you tell us abordinate to do something,
37:33
Speaker 8: they're gonna do it.
37:35
Speaker 5: Period.
37:37
Speaker 8: They may blow up a truck to get it done.
37:40
Speaker 8: They may, you know, whatever it takes. They will get
37:44
Speaker 8: it done. It's not necessarily always that way in the
37:48
Speaker 8: Savellian world.
37:49
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, right, oh, if it were only that way,
37:57
Speaker 1: if it.
37:57
Speaker 8: Were only that way. You know, it's like, you know,
38:01
Speaker 8: I'll ask somebody to do something right, which is a
38:04
Speaker 8: big difference. Right in the Marine Corps. You don't ask.
38:06
Speaker 3: You tell, hey, devil dog, I need you to go
38:08
Speaker 3: take care of this, and they do it.
38:11
Speaker 8: And one of the things I talk about that in
38:13
Speaker 8: the book, And I asked the Marine lieutenant to go
38:17
Speaker 8: blow something up one day and he's sure as he
38:18
Speaker 8: did it. Not the way I was thinking he was
38:21
Speaker 8: going to do it, but he did it. And I
38:24
Speaker 8: it's funny because I talk about that. I did a
38:29
Speaker 8: brief one day to a one hundred and sixty north
38:31
Speaker 8: from Grumman executives on how military leadership applies in the
38:37
Speaker 8: civilian world. And what's interesting about that is what you
38:40
Speaker 8: know in the civilian world, you may hear this phrase
38:44
Speaker 8: do whatever it takes, right, you do never never want
38:48
Speaker 8: to tell a marine that. If you tell a marine
38:51
Speaker 8: do whatever it takes, they will do whatever it takes.
38:56
Speaker 1: So you got to define parameters, You.
39:00
Speaker 8: Got to put some forevers on it, because you know,
39:02
Speaker 8: and I look back when I was a young Marine
39:04
Speaker 8: lance corporal that was carte blanche, do whatever it takes,
39:08
Speaker 8: devil dog. I'd be like, yes, sir, I get a
39:11
Speaker 8: big happy smile on my face, and I'd go blow
39:13
Speaker 8: up the world to get something done. And I tell
39:16
Speaker 8: you what, those my brothers and sisters that are still
39:19
Speaker 8: in will do that. They chomp at the bit when
39:23
Speaker 8: you say do whatever it takes.
39:25
Speaker 1: That's great, well, and that's what creates the sort of
39:28
Speaker 1: the out of the box thinking that military members of
39:31
Speaker 1: the military are known for. That's why I think that's
39:34
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why they're fully appreciated and recognized
39:37
Speaker 1: by many employers as great employees. They take charge, they
39:41
Speaker 1: figure things out, and they do what they're told. You know,
39:44
Speaker 1: maybe within some defined parameters out here in the civilian world,
39:48
Speaker 1: but they're great at getting things.
39:50
Speaker 5: Done well they are.
39:53
Speaker 8: And the other thing that is beneficial is that I
39:57
Speaker 8: was a Marine Cobra pilot. My first job, but my
40:00
Speaker 8: squadron as a lieutenant was the legal officer. I have
40:04
Speaker 8: no legal background, but my job was to advise my
40:07
Speaker 8: commander on legal issues in our squadron. As a brand
40:11
Speaker 8: new first lieutenant, coverpilot. One of my next jobs was
40:15
Speaker 8: ordnance officer. I had to learn about all the not
40:19
Speaker 8: I knew all the ordinance on the aircraft. I had
40:21
Speaker 8: to learn and be with my marines and they showed
40:25
Speaker 8: me how to load it and all the rules and regulations.
40:28
Speaker 8: And then you know that's so whatever job you get,
40:32
Speaker 8: it doesn't matter. The CEO says, hey, you are now
40:34
Speaker 8: the logistics officer. That's what you go do. And so
40:38
Speaker 8: it makes military men and women very, very diverse, and
40:43
Speaker 8: they have to learn quickly how to be an expert.
40:48
Speaker 1: Retired Marine Colonel William Bernard donn get a copy of
40:52
Speaker 1: the book Gunfighter's Rule. Retired Colonel will you put this
40:55
Speaker 1: your book on my blog page? But five cars dot
40:57
Speaker 1: com and my listener is going to love to get
40:59
Speaker 1: a copy of it. Thank you and God bless you
41:01
Speaker 1: for your service to our country. My friend, it's been
41:03
Speaker 1: wonderful having a conversation with you. Let's turn to our health.
41:10
Speaker 1: I am pleased to welcome to the fifty five Cars
41:12
Speaker 1: Morning Show doctor Catherine aka Katie Reed. She's the founder
41:15
Speaker 1: of Unblind My Mind Inco, nonprofit dedicated to improving health
41:18
Speaker 1: through informed food choices. It's got a background of biotech,
41:22
Speaker 1: cancer pharmaceuticals and brings a wealth of scientific knowledge to
41:25
Speaker 1: her work on chronic inflammatory disease. Joining the fifty five
41:28
Speaker 1: CARSSY Morning Show to talk about a book she co
41:30
Speaker 1: wrote along with Barbara Peice, PhD. It is Fat, Stressed
41:35
Speaker 1: and Sick MSG. Process food in America's health Crisis. Doctor Reid,
41:39
Speaker 1: is a real pleasure to have you on the program
41:41
Speaker 1: this morning.
41:42
Speaker 9: Oh thank you for having me.
41:44
Speaker 1: And I don't know how you feel about I honestly
41:46
Speaker 1: very excited about RFK Junior and hopefully his ability through
41:50
Speaker 1: raising our awareness so kind of the things you're talking
41:53
Speaker 1: about in your book, so we can make informed choices
41:56
Speaker 1: about our diets, because I think a lot of people
41:58
Speaker 1: are really uninformed processed foods and what are what's in them,
42:02
Speaker 1: including as you illustrate and number one out of the
42:05
Speaker 1: gate and the title of your book MSG. I remember
42:08
Speaker 1: all the raide was getting Chinese restaurants to drop MSG
42:11
Speaker 1: from there, from from from the foods, And we're going
42:14
Speaker 1: back a couple of decades at least on that one,
42:17
Speaker 1: and a lot of them advertised no MSG added good. Well,
42:21
Speaker 1: apparently it's all over the place.
42:24
Speaker 9: It is it's all over the place.
42:26
Speaker 10: And yeah, you know, I'm excited about RFK Junior making
42:29
Speaker 10: some changes about you know, being aware and having a
42:33
Speaker 10: yeah back to real whole foods, not such the process
42:37
Speaker 10: but the Yeah, it's the processed foods. The MSG is
42:42
Speaker 10: hidden in the ingredient with and so even foods that
42:45
Speaker 10: will say no MSG added, what it's implying it's not
42:49
Speaker 10: pure MSG, not including MG that's created from the processing
42:55
Speaker 10: of proteins.
42:56
Speaker 9: Okay, it's a bit of a yeah.
42:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's not on the label as contains MSG.
43:04
Speaker 1: But MSG is in the foods that we buy, the
43:07
Speaker 1: process foods we buy because of how it's how the
43:09
Speaker 1: food is made.
43:11
Speaker 9: How it's processed.
43:12
Speaker 10: And if you think about ingredient labels, they're not required
43:15
Speaker 10: to put the manufacturing process on there and then the
43:19
Speaker 10: end product resulting from that processing. So if you take
43:23
Speaker 10: a protein and you process it with a bunch of
43:27
Speaker 10: you know, pasteurization, acid, hydrolysis, fermentation, it'll degrade the protein
43:34
Speaker 10: into its component parts, the amino acids, and glutamate.
43:39
Speaker 9: Is an amino acid, and they know that.
43:41
Speaker 10: I mean, that's how MSG used to be processed, is
43:45
Speaker 10: using wheat, gluten and.
43:47
Speaker 9: Doing an acid hydrolysis on the wheat gluten.
43:51
Speaker 10: But now there's cheaper processes to making MSG, so they're
43:54
Speaker 10: very well aware that processing these proteins makes MSG. It's
43:58
Speaker 10: a very addicting compone, so we keep going for more.
44:02
Speaker 10: It hijacks our taste receptors and our brain things. It's wonderful,
44:07
Speaker 10: and so it's like rigged against us trying to find
44:10
Speaker 10: a healthier, more quality of life.
44:13
Speaker 1: Well, isn't that the point of MSG being an additive
44:16
Speaker 1: or as a byproduct of processing to make the food
44:18
Speaker 1: taste better, like salt makes food taste better.
44:22
Speaker 9: Exactly?
44:22
Speaker 10: It's it is the underlying mechanism of all addictions. But
44:27
Speaker 10: so they're putting it in there too for you know,
44:30
Speaker 10: increasing profits, increasing you know, consumption.
44:33
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, I think most people know that as a
44:37
Speaker 1: just a giant a dietary recommendation. We all hear it,
44:40
Speaker 1: stay away from processed foods. How do you define processed foods?
44:43
Speaker 1: Is like if I go out to the Indian restaurant,
44:46
Speaker 1: I get carry out, I don't think of that as
44:49
Speaker 1: processed food. They're using spinach, they're using a specific kind
44:51
Speaker 1: of cheese, or they're using whole chunks of meat, and
44:54
Speaker 1: if I did that at home, it wouldn't be defined
44:56
Speaker 1: as process. So how does that, you know, homemade prepar
45:00
Speaker 1: type thing differ from a process food as we know it.
45:05
Speaker 10: Yeah, and there's different categories on the degrees of processing.
45:09
Speaker 10: So it's the ultra processed foods that they discussed in
45:12
Speaker 10: the book you know, Fat, Stressed and Sick MSG processed
45:14
Speaker 10: foods in America's Health Crisis, you know that.
45:16
Speaker 9: Can be purchased on Amazon. That it really is the
45:21
Speaker 9: ultra processed foods that.
45:22
Speaker 10: Contains the largest amount of the MSG because of the
45:27
Speaker 10: processing of the proteins.
45:29
Speaker 9: So you just mentioned cheese.
45:30
Speaker 10: And a lot of people won't consider that process, but
45:32
Speaker 10: that is process you're taking. Yeah, you're taking milk, you're
45:36
Speaker 10: fermenting it, you're you know having it. You know, cultures
45:41
Speaker 10: that are added to it to degrade the proteins, and caseine,
45:44
Speaker 10: the major protein in milk or dairy products, is then
45:50
Speaker 10: degraded and so you get glutamate as a byproduct of
45:56
Speaker 10: the fermentation of that milk. The more age the cheese,
46:00
Speaker 10: the more the higher the MSG. And so you know,
46:03
Speaker 10: even the breads the way they're making them, they're fortifying
46:07
Speaker 10: it with gluten, they're fermenting it, they're adding you know,
46:10
Speaker 10: a bunch of different ingredients that will degrade that protein.
46:13
Speaker 10: So if you think about cheese and bread, well wow,
46:15
Speaker 10: you know that's like a big staple in Americans. But
46:20
Speaker 10: then like you know, the the Americans craze on protein,
46:23
Speaker 10: you know, the protein powders collagen seems to be a
46:27
Speaker 10: big fad lately, but they're using hydrolyzed collagen. They're using
46:32
Speaker 10: an acid hydrolysis process on that collagen that will degrade
46:37
Speaker 10: that protein and break it up into its subunits of
46:40
Speaker 10: amino acids, Glutamate, you know, being a significant part of
46:43
Speaker 10: that degradation. Whigh protein is a it's actually a cheese byproduct,
46:51
Speaker 10: waste product from you know, making cheese, and so they
46:53
Speaker 10: wanted to use whey because they didn't want to have
46:56
Speaker 10: a bunch of waste from the cheese manufacturing. So now
46:59
Speaker 10: it's all over our you know, different.
47:02
Speaker 9: Protein enriched products.
47:05
Speaker 10: But like wave protein isolate or soy protein isolate, these
47:09
Speaker 10: are code words of it.
47:10
Speaker 9: Went through an extreme amount of processing.
47:13
Speaker 10: So what is not processed would be eating you know,
47:16
Speaker 10: like you said, your vegetables, your whole grains, like you know, brown.
47:20
Speaker 9: Rice or quene waw.
47:23
Speaker 10: Starchy vegetables could be used as a carbohydrate source, like
47:26
Speaker 10: potatoes or sweet potatoes, root of bega, having you know,
47:30
Speaker 10: good whole quality uncured or unprocessed meat like pasture raised chicken,
47:36
Speaker 10: grass fed beef, wild caught seafood, and then fruits, organic,
47:44
Speaker 10: raw nuts, seeds. You know, again, the glycis shape or
47:47
Speaker 10: the round up that they're putting in some of these
47:49
Speaker 10: products also kind of contribute to inflammation and some of
47:53
Speaker 10: that glutamate signaling even in the body. So those are
47:57
Speaker 10: some of the things that would be considered unprocessed.
47:59
Speaker 9: You know, you're literally just you know, so.
48:02
Speaker 10: When you talk about Indian food, you know they're obviously
48:04
Speaker 10: putting a lot of you know, cheese in there, or
48:06
Speaker 10: dairy or a lot of these cream things and sauces.
48:10
Speaker 10: And even though it's got spinach.
48:17
Speaker 1: You're going after my pillock panier.
48:21
Speaker 3: Yeah.
48:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, we don't do it all the time, but
48:23
Speaker 1: are we doing our souls? In the Thomas household, my
48:25
Speaker 1: wife makes sour dough bread every week and uses it
48:29
Speaker 1: from sour dough starter. There's no additives, there's none of
48:32
Speaker 1: the multi gazillion labels that you're you know, the components
48:35
Speaker 1: that are in a store bought loaf of bread which
48:38
Speaker 1: will lasts like three or four weeks, if not months,
48:40
Speaker 1: on your shelf. Is that a healthful thing to do?
48:44
Speaker 1: By contrast? Or are we sort of spin in our
48:46
Speaker 1: wheels thinking it's better for us?
48:49
Speaker 10: Well, I mean it is better for you than like
48:51
Speaker 10: the like you said, like the wonderbread that are like
48:53
Speaker 10: you able.
48:54
Speaker 9: To be in your house for weeks and weeks without molding.
48:57
Speaker 1: Half life of patrol plutonium.
49:01
Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly, But you know it's using cultures, as you
49:04
Speaker 10: suggest that the sourrow fermentation is using lacto bacillis bacteria
49:09
Speaker 10: to ferment the wheat, and that's how they used to
49:13
Speaker 10: make msg is fermenting wheat.
49:16
Speaker 1: Well, your bursts and all kinds of bubbles this morning, doctor.
49:19
Speaker 10: I know, I know, you know, but it is a
49:22
Speaker 10: happy Monday, like you said, and you know.
49:24
Speaker 9: It's it's awareness.
49:25
Speaker 10: And so even if people start moving the needle like okay,
49:27
Speaker 10: I'm going to have you know, less cheese in my
49:29
Speaker 10: diet or I'm going to have more newer, you know
49:32
Speaker 10: cheese as opposed to like older age cheese like mozzarella
49:36
Speaker 10: or cottage cheese, and you're kind of just making more
49:38
Speaker 10: mindful choices to improve the help, especially if you're afflicted
49:43
Speaker 10: with a chronic inflammatory condition, which most of us are, like,
49:48
Speaker 10: I mean, I think there's like seventy percent of the
49:50
Speaker 10: population that has at least one chronic inflammatory condition.
49:53
Speaker 9: Most have two. So we're dealing with a you know,
49:56
Speaker 9: a health crisis.
49:57
Speaker 10: And so this is all about getting the word out there,
50:00
Speaker 10: making more informed health choices.
50:02
Speaker 1: Well, and looping back to MSG that apparently is everywhere.
50:05
Speaker 1: Is that the problem with MSG is this inflammatory issues
50:10
Speaker 1: that most of us are dealing with.
50:12
Speaker 11: Yeah, and so you know, it is.
50:16
Speaker 10: Very highly inflammatory, but it's a neurotransmitter, so it's activating
50:20
Speaker 10: our nervous system, but it can trigger the inflammatory response
50:24
Speaker 10: where we're almost neurologically wired to the inflammatory you know condition,
50:29
Speaker 10: and so we make all the glutamate we need where
50:33
Speaker 10: we need it, when we need it for the neurological
50:36
Speaker 10: activation or a variety of other functions. It serves in
50:39
Speaker 10: the body metabolics you know, energy production, insulin release. I mean,
50:43
Speaker 10: it's signaling a variety of different functions. So when it's
50:49
Speaker 10: at high levels, it's signaling stress. It is the stress
50:52
Speaker 10: response in our body at high levels. So if you
50:55
Speaker 10: think about like anxiety for example, or people who are
50:58
Speaker 10: experiencing like panic attack, it is typically excessive glue.
51:02
Speaker 9: Tomate signaling that is triggering. Yes, and so if you are.
51:07
Speaker 10: Constantly in that you know, fight, flight, fear, fawn response,
51:12
Speaker 10: it is an excess of glutamate signaling going.
51:15
Speaker 9: On in your nervous system.
51:16
Speaker 1: How about that?
51:17
Speaker 10: So yeah, and so it is. It's fascinating how this
51:21
Speaker 10: is absolutely wired to our survival response. And some people
51:26
Speaker 10: are wired to thinking that cheetah is around the corner
51:29
Speaker 10: constantly even though there's no cheetah.
51:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get so it is. Yeah, well okay, Now
51:35
Speaker 1: other than that, you know, anxiety feeling, you know so
51:37
Speaker 1: many people have it. I was just ready to ask
51:38
Speaker 1: you, you know, if if so many people are dealing with this,
51:43
Speaker 1: this inflammatory disease will call it, how do they know
51:47
Speaker 1: the signs and symptoms of it? Because you know, I
51:49
Speaker 1: think of inflammation. I think of inflammation. You know, it's
51:51
Speaker 1: like you know your your your fingers roll and or
51:53
Speaker 1: you got arthritis or something like that. But you know
51:55
Speaker 1: that the telltale signs of it, So anxiety being one
51:58
Speaker 1: of them, are there any others that someone might be
52:01
Speaker 1: suffering from this perhaps MSG connected problem.
52:05
Speaker 10: Yeah, and that's where I kind of have a whole
52:07
Speaker 10: chapter in the book, you know, fat, stress, and sick
52:11
Speaker 10: MSG processed foods in America's health crisis, I have a
52:14
Speaker 10: whole chapter dedicated to all the various conditions or you
52:17
Speaker 10: know what we call these states that are associated with
52:20
Speaker 10: high levels of glutamate. So obesity we wouldn't think as
52:23
Speaker 10: an inflammatory condition, but it is. It's an energy and
52:26
Speaker 10: balance glue tomate signaling is absolutely at the basis of that.
52:30
Speaker 10: There's an entire category of depression labeled glutamate based depression.
52:36
Speaker 10: So there's depression, anxiety. My whole journey started with my
52:40
Speaker 10: youngest being on the.
52:41
Speaker 9: Spectrum with autism.
52:43
Speaker 10: And for those parents or anybody who's afflicted with autism,
52:46
Speaker 10: you can understand that many are it trapped in a
52:49
Speaker 10: fight like fear fawn response, or they're very vulnerable to
52:54
Speaker 10: a stress response.
52:55
Speaker 9: It doesn't take much.
52:56
Speaker 10: From their environment to be like, okay, they want to
52:59
Speaker 10: shut down, right, And that she was very sensitive to glutamate.
53:04
Speaker 10: Had no idea that this was really going to help
53:07
Speaker 10: you know her condition and have a much better quality
53:12
Speaker 10: of life by really being aware where the glutamate is
53:15
Speaker 10: in the food supply. So cancer and I go through
53:18
Speaker 10: a lot of that with cancer. Is if you think
53:21
Speaker 10: about cancer cells is a metabolic cellular abnormality. Glue tomate
53:26
Speaker 10: signaling will cause a lot of that abnormality because it's
53:30
Speaker 10: a stress response, and cancer can sometimes be what the
53:33
Speaker 10: body thinks is a cure to that stress response.
53:38
Speaker 9: Yeah, and so it's it is.
53:39
Speaker 10: It's you know, we're getting like Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, you know,
53:43
Speaker 10: even migraine headaches are typically attributed to the successive glutamate signaling. So,
53:49
Speaker 10: like you said, the swelling could be, you know, one
53:51
Speaker 10: of these signs of you know, but pain response is
53:54
Speaker 10: a glutamate signaling response often. I mean, there's a lot
53:56
Speaker 10: of other signals going on too, but glutamate.
53:59
Speaker 9: Is often the base of some of these pain responses.
54:03
Speaker 1: I understand.
54:04
Speaker 9: Yeah, we're talking like the mother load here.
54:06
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I understand sugar is not good for you either,
54:09
Speaker 1: So I just by cutting sugar out of my diet,
54:12
Speaker 1: I've been able to lose like seventeen pounds over the
54:14
Speaker 1: past six months. I just stay the hell away from
54:16
Speaker 1: all added sugar. So maybe by doing that, I'm also
54:19
Speaker 1: getting a lot of the MSG out of my diet
54:21
Speaker 1: because everything's got added sugar, and it's a product with
54:24
Speaker 1: added sugar. I'm not going to eat it exactly.
54:27
Speaker 9: Now, It's true.
54:27
Speaker 10: It's like so once you start getting rid of refined sugars,
54:30
Speaker 10: you are eliminating a lot of process foods, and that
54:33
Speaker 10: is where you know, you start to get rid of
54:35
Speaker 10: a lot of the MSG sources.
54:36
Speaker 1: Now I've learned a lot today, doctor read. This has
54:39
Speaker 1: been a fascinating conversation. Your book Fat, Stressed and Sick
54:42
Speaker 1: MSG Processed Food at America's Health Crisis is on my
54:46
Speaker 1: blog page fifty five cars dot com and the link
54:48
Speaker 1: so everybody can get it. And I appreciate what you're
54:50
Speaker 1: doing raising America's awareness to where the problems come from.
54:53
Speaker 1: And I hope you keep up the great We have
54:55
Speaker 1: a brilliant, demonstrably brilliant genius man who wrote the book
55:01
Speaker 1: we talked about last time. He's on the program Lies.
55:03
Speaker 1: My government told me doctor Robert Malone, we're going to
55:06
Speaker 1: talk about his new book today, cy War Enforcing the
55:09
Speaker 1: New War Order. Internationally recognized virologists and immunologists, Clinical research
55:13
Speaker 1: and regulatory affairs expert, US Federal contract proposal and project
55:17
Speaker 1: manager and the original inventor of the mr NA delivery
55:21
Speaker 1: vaccination as a technology, also DNA vaccination, multiple non viral
55:25
Speaker 1: DNA and r N a mr NA platform delivery technologies.
55:30
Speaker 1: And he has got a just wonderful background, but he
55:33
Speaker 1: stepped and he got in trouble for speaking truth to power.
55:36
Speaker 1: Welcome back, doctor Malone. It's a distinct pleasure to have
55:38
Speaker 1: you on today.
55:40
Speaker 12: Thanks for the honor to be here and to talk
55:42
Speaker 12: to your audience.
55:43
Speaker 1: Well, in your last book, you know, the idea that
55:46
Speaker 1: you actually told the truth about what was going on
55:48
Speaker 1: with COVID and the the the vaccine got you into
55:52
Speaker 1: a bit of trouble. Remind my audience what happened in
55:55
Speaker 1: the aftermath of speaking out loud.
56:00
Speaker 12: Well, I was deep platformed from LinkedIn and Twitter a
56:05
Speaker 12: day before I went on Joe Rogan. It was the
56:07
Speaker 12: Joe Rogan hit that really kind of broke everything open,
56:12
Speaker 12: and that set off a cascade of attacks. They were
56:16
Speaker 12: already in progress, really with The Atlantic Monthly, Business Insider,
56:20
Speaker 12: New York Times, Washington Boast, Rolling Stone goes on and on,
56:26
Speaker 12: you know, all coordinated and of course in Wikipedia that
56:31
Speaker 12: I'm still labeled as a spreader of misinformation. But thank
56:36
Speaker 12: you Joe Rogan and Woody Harrelson for the recent hit
56:40
Speaker 12: in which Joe said that surprisingly everything that Malone said
56:45
Speaker 12: in that infamous podcast turned out to be true.
56:49
Speaker 1: Confirming all of the previously called conspiracy theories. They're all
56:52
Speaker 1: actually true. Masks social distancing, the effectiveness of the COVID vaccine,
56:58
Speaker 1: the idea that children shouldn't get an only people in
57:00
Speaker 1: the most critically unstable, you know, the situations, you know,
57:05
Speaker 1: comorbid conditions, The elderly were the ones that it should
57:08
Speaker 1: have been given to, and perhaps no one else. The
57:10
Speaker 1: firing of people for not getting the vaccine. Anybody who
57:13
Speaker 1: uttered a syllable against that was deemed some kind of
57:16
Speaker 1: nutcase and conspiracy theorist. And as it turns out, they
57:19
Speaker 1: were all right all along, including you, sir. And that's
57:23
Speaker 1: kind of the gist on one topic level of what
57:25
Speaker 1: cy war excuse me enforcing the New World Order, addresses.
57:28
Speaker 13: Is it not?
57:31
Speaker 12: Yeah, so very much. Cy War was a product of
57:35
Speaker 12: what I'd experienced in many physicians and others around me.
57:40
Speaker 12: It wasn't just me. And as I was trying to
57:45
Speaker 12: make sense of what I was experiencing, which was unlike
57:48
Speaker 12: I've been through multiple outbreaks at the front edge of things,
57:52
Speaker 12: never seen anything like this in my life, and so
57:55
Speaker 12: trying to make sense out of it. And then once
57:58
Speaker 12: I'd kind of process that, the book it was an
58:02
Speaker 12: intent intended to be a little bit of a wake
58:07
Speaker 12: up guide. You can almost say, a vaccination for people
58:11
Speaker 12: that were aware that things weren't right, but they weren't
58:15
Speaker 12: able to kind of make sense out of it all
58:18
Speaker 12: to help them see the underlying structure and hopefully to
58:23
Speaker 12: help them to become a lot more resistant to this
58:26
Speaker 12: kind of technology. Here's the key point, if you if
58:29
Speaker 12: you'll let me continue to rate that I posted today
58:34
Speaker 12: on x it's getting a lot of traction. I'm sincerely
58:39
Speaker 12: convinced that pharma has learned to use psychological warfare methods
58:46
Speaker 12: developed by our militaries for use against the likes of
58:49
Speaker 12: al Qaeda and the Tealiban. They've learned to use this
58:52
Speaker 12: as part of their marketing approach. They've used They've learned
58:57
Speaker 12: to use propaganda in this way with the whole suite
59:01
Speaker 12: of modern sy ups as a way to influence governments
59:07
Speaker 12: by ginning up fear in the general population to make
59:11
Speaker 12: purchasing decisions and other administrative decisions that favored the interests
59:17
Speaker 12: of pharma. I think that behind all of this we've
59:21
Speaker 12: got the hand of big Pharma that's learned to manipulate
59:25
Speaker 12: the public to generate fear of death as a way
59:29
Speaker 12: to influence decisions from government leaders.
59:34
Speaker 1: Well that says a mouthful right there. They're that capable
59:39
Speaker 1: of doing it, that they could get people to do
59:42
Speaker 1: really stupid things. You know, it was sort of revealing
59:45
Speaker 1: you knew, and I think we all collectively knew that
59:47
Speaker 1: during COVID, when they were shoving these vaccines down our
59:50
Speaker 1: throats or at least forcing everyone to get one, that
59:52
Speaker 1: something was wrong with the edicts from various governors, including
59:55
Speaker 1: here in the state of Ohio. Governor wine. You could
59:57
Speaker 1: drink at a bar, but not after ten pm. You
1:00:00
Speaker 1: could buy things in an aisle on a store, but
1:00:02
Speaker 1: not things on the other aisle, unnecessary items or whatever.
1:00:05
Speaker 1: That just doesn't make sense, and it doesn't process from
1:00:07
Speaker 1: a logic and reason standpoint. You don't need to be
1:00:10
Speaker 1: a renowned physician like yourself to realize something is wrong here.
1:00:17
Speaker 5: Amen.
1:00:18
Speaker 12: And it's that kind of intuitive sense or some people
1:00:23
Speaker 12: might call it a spidey sense. That really triggered a
1:00:27
Speaker 12: lot of folks to start asking questions and digging into
1:00:32
Speaker 12: the details. And now, thanks to Doge, we have these
1:00:36
Speaker 12: amazing reveals about USAID and its manipulation of media all
1:00:42
Speaker 12: over the world, which was one of the conundrums for
1:00:45
Speaker 12: me as I traveled, particularly to Europe during the COVID crisis.
1:00:49
Speaker 12: I saw the same words, the same strategies and tactics,
1:00:53
Speaker 12: the same language being used over there is over here,
1:00:57
Speaker 12: and it didn't make sense. How is all of this core?
1:01:00
Speaker 1: And now we know, well, it seems to be the
1:01:03
Speaker 1: assertion that someone gets to be named as an export
1:01:07
Speaker 1: or like expert rather or like doctor Fauci. The expert
1:01:11
Speaker 1: as if you know, it's God speaking and there's no
1:01:13
Speaker 1: way you can resist or save anything in opposition to it.
1:01:17
Speaker 12: This is a core tenet of scientism. Which is another
1:01:21
Speaker 12: one of the kind of topic carries in the book
1:01:24
Speaker 12: is this development of a new religion in the face
1:01:28
Speaker 12: of the separation of church and state. The federal government
1:01:31
Speaker 12: has veered towards substituting this new thing in place of
1:01:37
Speaker 12: you know, core tenants that used to come from the
1:01:40
Speaker 12: Judeo Christian ethic, and this new thing that's been substituted
1:01:45
Speaker 12: is it's not science. It's a pseudo religion that you know,
1:01:49
Speaker 12: Scientism is the word, and it has anointed high priests.
1:01:55
Speaker 12: And Tony Fauci is one. In the vaccine world, Paul
1:01:59
Speaker 12: Offitt is another one. And there are many of these
1:02:05
Speaker 12: that are basically vested and then appointed to these various
1:02:14
Speaker 12: federal commissions, like the Advisory Committee on Ammunisation Practices at
1:02:20
Speaker 12: the CDC and the FDA advisory committees. And that's one
1:02:24
Speaker 12: of the things that the new HHS under Bobby Kennedy
1:02:28
Speaker 12: is looking at, is really getting rid of these individuals
1:02:33
Speaker 12: that are so industry biased in these advisory committees, so
1:02:37
Speaker 12: we can get back to more objectivity in terms of
1:02:41
Speaker 12: analyzing what the data are and helping the government make decisions.
1:02:45
Speaker 12: Another thing I've been arguing is that the government is
1:02:49
Speaker 12: allocating public health resources in a biased fashion. The money
1:02:55
Speaker 12: that we spend should reflect the degree of actual demonstrable
1:03:01
Speaker 12: need in the populace. Where is the real disease. If
1:03:05
Speaker 12: we were going to allocate money based on public health urgency,
1:03:10
Speaker 12: we would be spending billions on fentanyl and we're not.
1:03:15
Speaker 12: We're spending it on chasing H five N one because
1:03:20
Speaker 12: it's infecting cows right now, and even the CDC says
1:03:24
Speaker 12: it's not a major public health threat. H five N
1:03:28
Speaker 12: one has been out there for a long time. But
1:03:30
Speaker 12: this is another thing that has had up fear of
1:03:34
Speaker 12: death because in nineteen eighteen, the story goes, we lost
1:03:39
Speaker 12: a huge number of people to swine flu, but that
1:03:43
Speaker 12: turns out to be a false narrative. The thing that
1:03:46
Speaker 12: really killed people was the subsequent pneumonia, bacterial pneumonia, and
1:03:50
Speaker 12: now we have antibiotics, so people don't die of bacterial
1:03:53
Speaker 12: pneumonia unless they've got major other problems, so they forgot
1:03:57
Speaker 12: to get medical care. The other thing that killed people
1:04:00
Speaker 12: during nineteen eighteen was the overuse of a hot new
1:04:03
Speaker 12: drug that had just been discovered. Overdosing of aspirin to
1:04:08
Speaker 12: control fever killed a lot of people. But that's all
1:04:12
Speaker 12: been transformed into this narrative that flu is an enormous
1:04:15
Speaker 12: boogeyman and we all have to be afraid of it,
1:04:18
Speaker 12: and therefore we have to spend stupid amounts of money
1:04:21
Speaker 12: on that as opposed to you know, it's a limbit
1:04:25
Speaker 12: in theory it's a limited federal budget, and we ought
1:04:27
Speaker 12: to be spending money based on what the true public
1:04:31
Speaker 12: health need is. You get my point.
1:04:33
Speaker 1: I absolutely get your point. And I was thinking about
1:04:36
Speaker 1: this in the context of something you write about in
1:04:38
Speaker 1: the book We're speaking of today, cy war enforcing the
1:04:40
Speaker 1: new world or order by my guest today, doctor Malone,
1:04:45
Speaker 1: deep state censorship. Now, there are, as you noted, during
1:04:49
Speaker 1: the period of time you were speaking out loud in
1:04:51
Speaker 1: opposition to the deep state narrative, this propaganda campaign about COVID,
1:04:56
Speaker 1: there were many peer review studies out there which well
1:04:59
Speaker 1: flew in the face of what the narrative was, and
1:05:01
Speaker 1: yet they were suppressed and they were suggested to be,
1:05:03
Speaker 1: you know, erroneous or wrong. There are so many parallels
1:05:06
Speaker 1: you can draw between that and what we're going through
1:05:08
Speaker 1: with this carbon dioxide is bad thing, with this solutely
1:05:15
Speaker 1: plant food man.
1:05:17
Speaker 12: The green energy narrative is another cywar narrative that's been
1:05:23
Speaker 12: promoted globally very effectively to advance financial interests of selected
1:05:30
Speaker 12: third parties. And here's the irony. Who is it that's
1:05:34
Speaker 12: benefiting most from selling windmills and electric cars?
1:05:37
Speaker 5: The Chinese? The Chinese?
1:05:40
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy. I say this all the time. I
1:05:44
Speaker 1: do not believe that plant food is bad. I do
1:05:47
Speaker 1: not believe in carbon capture. I think it's a foolish
1:05:49
Speaker 1: exercise in pursuit to think that a windmill can substitute
1:05:52
Speaker 1: for something we're not allowed to have, apparently, the nuclear
1:05:54
Speaker 1: power plant.
1:05:57
Speaker 5: Amen.
1:05:58
Speaker 12: And the only you know, you know who's going to
1:06:00
Speaker 12: break this is the tech bros. Because they want to
1:06:04
Speaker 12: have these great, big AI facilities, and you can't run
1:06:08
Speaker 12: an AI facility on green energy. And that's what's driving
1:06:13
Speaker 12: the development of these little kind of local nuclear reactor
1:06:18
Speaker 12: technology plants so that you're data center. I mean, they're
1:06:22
Speaker 12: building these things out here in Virginia and they are massive,
1:06:26
Speaker 12: and they suck up power the new here's the fun fact,
1:06:31
Speaker 12: the envisioned stargate, remember Larry Ellison on day two of
1:06:35
Speaker 12: Trump's presidency and that little fiasco press conference, That data
1:06:42
Speaker 12: center will have power demands equivalent to all the natural
1:06:47
Speaker 12: gas consumption on an annual basis in the.
1:06:49
Speaker 1: State of Texas, Louise. You need nuclear plants for that,
1:06:54
Speaker 1: and people don't get it. These modern modular nuclear plants,
1:06:57
Speaker 1: you know, really are efficient. They have a small footprint.
1:07:00
Speaker 1: We don't have these problems and issues that a three
1:07:02
Speaker 1: mile island design how many decades old? Is that by
1:07:05
Speaker 1: now we do advanced technologically, we do solve problems, we
1:07:08
Speaker 1: do create better efficiency. So what's the fear? And really,
1:07:12
Speaker 1: largely doctor, why is this happening? Why do we still
1:07:17
Speaker 1: fear nuclear power? I mean, that's part of this propaganda campaign.
1:07:22
Speaker 1: What's the point behind narratives?
1:07:25
Speaker 12: Exactly promoted narratives? And you know, you got to I
1:07:29
Speaker 12: think you really have to ask the question, you know,
1:07:32
Speaker 12: follow the money and who benefits from these policies. And
1:07:38
Speaker 12: this plays out on a geopolitical stage in terms of
1:07:42
Speaker 12: the interests of nation states and frankly empires as they
1:07:48
Speaker 12: battle with each other, and the use of psychological warfare methods,
1:07:54
Speaker 12: which is, you know, the modern embodiment of propaganda is
1:07:59
Speaker 12: highly developed in all these competing nations. You know, we
1:08:03
Speaker 12: hear about Russian bot farms. I'll come on, there's British
1:08:06
Speaker 12: bought farms, There's Chinese bought farmers. You know, American bot
1:08:11
Speaker 12: farms are huge, and I'm sure there are Ukrainian bought
1:08:16
Speaker 12: farms and Romanian bought farms and Polish bot farms. I
1:08:19
Speaker 12: mean every nation state is doing this now, it's it's
1:08:22
Speaker 12: the way you play the game.
1:08:24
Speaker 1: Doctor, real quick here, before we passed, before we had
1:08:26
Speaker 1: the part company. I wish we could talk for hours literally,
1:08:29
Speaker 1: what can we do to see through the fog of
1:08:33
Speaker 1: the lies that are being fed us?
1:08:37
Speaker 12: Thanks for that question, I get it all the time.
1:08:39
Speaker 12: Part of that's part of the logic of the book
1:08:41
Speaker 12: is helping people to understand the tech and how it's
1:08:46
Speaker 12: deployed and who's deploying it really helps to kind of
1:08:50
Speaker 12: immunize you against that kind of propaganda. But the other
1:08:53
Speaker 12: one is in a practical way, you've got to seek
1:08:56
Speaker 12: out multiple sources of information and don't just select the ones.
1:09:00
Speaker 1: That agree with you. Amen.
1:09:02
Speaker 12: It's it's hard to do, and sometimes you don't want
1:09:06
Speaker 12: to read what is coming down in Atlantic Monthly or
1:09:10
Speaker 12: Huffington Post, let alone real Clare politics. But you need
1:09:15
Speaker 12: to read that other stuff to understand, if nothing else,
1:09:19
Speaker 12: the strategies and tactics and what the agendas are of
1:09:23
Speaker 12: those that are in opposition to your own political framework.
1:09:27
Speaker 12: And this we seek out media from India, from uh,
1:09:34
Speaker 12: South Korea, Europe. Of course, you know you need you
1:09:39
Speaker 12: need to look at not just at mainstream media. But
1:09:43
Speaker 12: you need to look at alternative media coming from offshore
1:09:47
Speaker 12: to the extents you can, because a lot of times
1:09:49
Speaker 12: your browser won't let you get there.
1:09:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what, doctor Malone. You just echoed
1:09:54
Speaker 1: my theory on the Morning show. I am being trained
1:09:56
Speaker 1: as an attorney. That's what we always had to do.
1:09:59
Speaker 1: You had a look at alternative cases, alternative opinions. It's
1:10:02
Speaker 1: how you formulate and find the truth, Doctor Robert Malone.
1:10:06
Speaker 1: God bless you, sir, cywar enforcing the new World order,
1:10:09
Speaker 1: exposed in the history and tactics of modern psychological warfare
1:10:12
Speaker 1: on the American people, and a way forward for you
1:10:15
Speaker 1: to resist this totalitarian control. My listeners will be buying
1:10:19
Speaker 1: the hell out of this book, doctor. It's on my
1:10:20
Speaker 1: blog page fifty five KRC dot com of the link
1:10:22
Speaker 1: to where they can buy it. I'll encourage them to
1:10:24
Speaker 1: do so and share the information and book with their
1:10:26
Speaker 1: friends that spread this information. Keep up the great work, doctor,
1:10:30
Speaker 1: I really do appreciate what you're doing. Hey Bob here
1:10:35
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1:10:37
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1:10:41
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1:10:43
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1:10:45
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1:10:57
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1:11:42
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1:11:44
Speaker 14: Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be with
1:11:46
Speaker 14: you this morning.
1:11:47
Speaker 1: Now, you actually perform surgeries in helicopters, so you can.
1:11:54
Speaker 14: Yes, a lot of it is just trauma, trauma and
1:11:56
Speaker 14: life support, but yes, it's it's not ideal.
1:11:59
Speaker 1: But if you have to yes, oh my word, and
1:12:02
Speaker 1: so you were in the thick of it, if you
1:12:03
Speaker 1: were flying wounded individuals in combat, that's a that's I
1:12:08
Speaker 1: would obviously say, that's a very dangerous proposition.
1:12:13
Speaker 14: Yeah, that was before my before marriage and children, So
1:12:17
Speaker 14: I would probably, uh, it would have to be a
1:12:19
Speaker 14: World War three level scenario for me to put myself
1:12:22
Speaker 14: in a situation like that for a Now.
1:12:25
Speaker 1: You can get a young person to do anything, doctor anyway,
1:12:29
Speaker 1: be the weight behind the sphere. I obviously from the notes,
1:12:33
Speaker 1: I think anybody can observe we are not exactly a
1:12:36
Speaker 1: very unified country or quietly divided country. And I absolutely
1:12:40
Speaker 1: think I've noted on the air and observed many times
1:12:42
Speaker 1: over I think that there are some you know, evil
1:12:45
Speaker 1: forces out in the world that intentionally stir the pot
1:12:48
Speaker 1: of division in this country. Obviously, we being the most
1:12:51
Speaker 1: successful country that has ever been, Thank God for that.
1:12:54
Speaker 1: We're the source of envy and green And of course
1:12:56
Speaker 1: we've got enemies in the world, and it does them
1:12:58
Speaker 1: a lot of benefit to divide America. I used to
1:13:00
Speaker 1: look at the American flag and view it as a
1:13:02
Speaker 1: symbol of unification. It stood for freedom under which anybody
1:13:07
Speaker 1: can stand and enjoy their own life pursuits. But at
1:13:10
Speaker 1: every turn we seem to be yelling each other about
1:13:12
Speaker 1: every minuscule problem in the world. I guess is that
1:13:17
Speaker 1: concept as at least I observe it One of the
1:13:20
Speaker 1: reasons you wrote this book.
1:13:22
Speaker 14: That as a major part to play. You know, it's
1:13:26
Speaker 14: the most divided politically and generationally in this country that
1:13:29
Speaker 14: I've seen in my lifetime. You know, I'm forty seven
1:13:32
Speaker 14: years old, and you know, I'm hoping that we can
1:13:35
Speaker 14: find something in common to focus on. And if people
1:13:38
Speaker 14: would just focus on developing our future leaders and engaging
1:13:41
Speaker 14: their communities, America would be a much better place and
1:13:45
Speaker 14: try to bring us back together.
1:13:46
Speaker 5: Well.
1:13:47
Speaker 1: And you would think, because future leaders are going to
1:13:49
Speaker 1: be running the show, we want the best and brightest,
1:13:51
Speaker 1: that we would all work collectively for the benefit of everyone,
1:13:55
Speaker 1: regardless of stripes standing beneath that flag, to advance these
1:13:59
Speaker 1: people and help them out along the way. But in
1:14:01
Speaker 1: this society, part of the reasons we have so much divisions,
1:14:04
Speaker 1: these so called current leaders actually foster and encourage the
1:14:08
Speaker 1: division that we're talking about.
1:14:11
Speaker 14: It really is detrimental to our future. The best resource
1:14:15
Speaker 14: that we have in this country is our people. It's coaches,
1:14:18
Speaker 14: it's teachers, it's volunteers and mentors. That needs to be
1:14:22
Speaker 14: the focus instead of the political division. And you know,
1:14:25
Speaker 14: right now you feel like you have half the country
1:14:27
Speaker 14: that's just missing the plot completely.
1:14:30
Speaker 1: Yes, you do well, I wrote as I was, you know,
1:14:33
Speaker 1: think preparing for this interview, I wrote down the three
1:14:36
Speaker 1: profound you know, the type of folks that were most
1:14:40
Speaker 1: profound in having an impact on my life. My parents,
1:14:43
Speaker 1: first and foremost, they gave me the gift of education,
1:14:46
Speaker 1: and they really encouraged and insisted that I get a
1:14:49
Speaker 1: good education. So I and they helped me to get
1:14:51
Speaker 1: through college and law school and I went on to
1:14:53
Speaker 1: practice law for sixteen years. They able to build a
1:14:56
Speaker 1: family and take care of them thanks to the education.
1:14:58
Speaker 1: But also education included certain of my educators, my teachers
1:15:03
Speaker 1: in K through twelve and of course college. Some of
1:15:05
Speaker 1: them stood out and were truly inspirational. Thank you, Chuck Barkoltz,
1:15:09
Speaker 1: you're out there listening. He was a brilliant man and
1:15:12
Speaker 1: one of the most influential teachers of my life. And
1:15:14
Speaker 1: then my mentors, the people that I work for, the
1:15:18
Speaker 1: partners at the law firm, who taught and trained me
1:15:20
Speaker 1: and gave me all the tools of the trade I
1:15:21
Speaker 1: needed to be successful. That's the kind of thing we're
1:15:24
Speaker 1: talking about. But moving aside from my personal experience, everyone
1:15:27
Speaker 1: I think is an expert at something and can pass
1:15:31
Speaker 1: that along to the next generation of people. If we're
1:15:34
Speaker 1: all thinking about, you know, building these future leaders.
1:15:39
Speaker 14: Everybody has a unique skill. Everybody has something different to give,
1:15:44
Speaker 14: and what they do every single day matters. They need
1:15:47
Speaker 14: to realize that and they need to get out in
1:15:49
Speaker 14: their community. It can be something different for everyone by
1:15:52
Speaker 14: coaching Little league or soccer, or volunteering in your church
1:15:56
Speaker 14: or your school. And some people sti't like working with people,
1:15:59
Speaker 14: That's fine. Get out out there in your community. There's
1:16:01
Speaker 14: plenty of organizations, animal shelters that become emotional support animals
1:16:07
Speaker 14: for somebody. There's this is a team sport America, and
1:16:10
Speaker 14: life is a team sport.
1:16:12
Speaker 1: So in writing this book, how do you how do
1:16:16
Speaker 1: you frame it in the sense that to get like
1:16:18
Speaker 1: people to answer your call to action along these lines,
1:16:22
Speaker 1: because again with all the division unity people, I think
1:16:25
Speaker 1: people just some like outa hell with it. I just
1:16:27
Speaker 1: give it up.
1:16:29
Speaker 14: You know, unless you recognize the problem, you can't fix it.
1:16:33
Speaker 14: So our bad policy decisions over the past four or
1:16:36
Speaker 14: five years are now coming to roost. As an emergency physician,
1:16:40
Speaker 14: I see this generation. They're coming in with a huge
1:16:44
Speaker 14: mental health crisis. I see anxiety, depression, and very sadly suicides,
1:16:50
Speaker 14: and it rips your heart out every single time. These
1:16:53
Speaker 14: kids are so young. The mental health health crisis is
1:16:56
Speaker 14: very real. And then as a military commander, I see
1:16:59
Speaker 14: the same general. They lack the simple resiliency skills. They
1:17:04
Speaker 14: fold at the very smallest of obstacles. And I was
1:17:07
Speaker 14: so concerned that I sat down and I wrote this book.
1:17:10
Speaker 14: I need Americans to get engaged and this is the
1:17:13
Speaker 14: call to action.
1:17:14
Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like you speak Pete Hegseth's Language Defense
1:17:18
Speaker 1: Secretary Pete Tegzeth, Because I worry as much I do
1:17:23
Speaker 1: anything I can, by the way, sir, to help and
1:17:25
Speaker 1: support the American veterans because I have so much respect
1:17:28
Speaker 1: for them. But I saw the recruit numbers declining dramatically,
1:17:32
Speaker 1: and now, of course you have physical fitness problems in
1:17:33
Speaker 1: this country with hopefully RFK Junior may help to deal
1:17:37
Speaker 1: with but we'll keep our fingers crossed. But also the
1:17:39
Speaker 1: American military becoming this woke entity. There was nothing but
1:17:43
Speaker 1: an extension of the k K through twelve and college education, identity, politics,
1:17:50
Speaker 1: vehicle and in doctrination camp. What does that have to
1:17:53
Speaker 1: do with killing people and breaking things? Which is always
1:17:56
Speaker 1: my boiled down look on what the military should be.
1:18:00
Speaker 14: You know, it is a terrible and horrific job. I
1:18:03
Speaker 14: have been on the front lines. I have flown metavac,
1:18:05
Speaker 14: I did one aerossault, scariest thing I've ever done. And
1:18:09
Speaker 14: that's our job. Nobody wants to do that job, but
1:18:12
Speaker 14: when you're called upon, you have to be able to
1:18:14
Speaker 14: execute that job and deliver that lethality with no questions asked.
1:18:19
Speaker 14: So if what your government, if what they're asking you
1:18:22
Speaker 14: to do, does not help you do that, then you're
1:18:25
Speaker 14: wasting our time. You're literally deteriorating our capabilities, and I
1:18:29
Speaker 14: am so thankful that we have this current leadership in
1:18:32
Speaker 14: office that is getting us pointed back in the right direction,
1:18:35
Speaker 14: because the last four years have been very, very hard.
1:18:38
Speaker 14: As a military commander, it's been very difficult. I follow commands.
1:18:43
Speaker 14: We have civilian led you know, leadership for our military,
1:18:46
Speaker 14: and you know, I'm proud to follow, you know, our
1:18:49
Speaker 14: civilian elected leaders. I just disagreed with a lot of
1:18:52
Speaker 14: the policy decisions, and I'm very thankful that we have
1:18:55
Speaker 14: p tag Seff at the Helm.
1:18:56
Speaker 5: Now.
1:18:56
Speaker 1: So you saw this firsthand because you're still in an
1:19:00
Speaker 1: active role, I guess can you explain my listening audience,
1:19:04
Speaker 1: did it really Was it really pervasive? These DEI woke policies,
1:19:09
Speaker 1: if I can call them woke policies and get away
1:19:10
Speaker 1: with it, I mean, was it that pervasive?
1:19:13
Speaker 14: It was very pervasive. It almost became a singular focus,
1:19:18
Speaker 14: and they were dividing people. They were dividing like my airmen.
1:19:22
Speaker 14: So when you would sit down, you know, with the
1:19:24
Speaker 14: quotas and the DEI, and they were literally different awards
1:19:29
Speaker 14: that you would submit members for some of you know,
1:19:32
Speaker 14: at a wing or air force wide level, and meetings alone,
1:19:35
Speaker 14: they were separating here's the African American contingent, and here's
1:19:39
Speaker 14: the Asian contingent, and here's the LGBTQ. It defeated the
1:19:44
Speaker 14: entire purpose of building unity in the military. It was separating.
1:19:49
Speaker 14: And when you try to build your morale and you're
1:19:52
Speaker 14: a spree to corps and then you look at people
1:19:54
Speaker 14: that were willing to join the military, those numbers were deteriorating.
1:19:58
Speaker 14: That's a direct reflection of those bad policies you saw
1:20:01
Speaker 14: immediately in December, with one election in less than thirty days,
1:20:07
Speaker 14: those December recruiting numbers ramped up exponentially because the men
1:20:11
Speaker 14: and women that you asked to serve this country and
1:20:14
Speaker 14: lay their lives on the line, they just want to
1:20:17
Speaker 14: be able to do their job and execute. The DEI
1:20:19
Speaker 14: initiatives were degrading that capability.
1:20:23
Speaker 1: So you're answering your question. I was going to ask you,
1:20:26
Speaker 1: there are still patriotic young Americans out there that still
1:20:30
Speaker 1: believe in the message of freedom and liberty that our
1:20:32
Speaker 1: country stands for, that probably would have signed up for
1:20:35
Speaker 1: military service maybe in earlier times, but under this woke
1:20:39
Speaker 1: governance and this woke ideological concept that was going on,
1:20:42
Speaker 1: they wouldn't do that, but they're still out there.
1:20:46
Speaker 14: They are still there. I am proud to serve with
1:20:49
Speaker 14: many of them. I have one hundred men and women
1:20:50
Speaker 14: under my command, best war fighting medics in the United
1:20:53
Speaker 14: States Air Force, and I'm glad we are back on
1:20:57
Speaker 14: the right track because the world needs a strong maria
1:21:00
Speaker 14: and military. The American people demand one, and we are
1:21:03
Speaker 14: now heading back in that direction.
1:21:05
Speaker 1: One subset of this, and I know you're outspoken on
1:21:07
Speaker 1: this whole renaming of Fort Bragg Fort Liberty. Can you
1:21:11
Speaker 1: address that and tell me what an impact that had,
1:21:14
Speaker 1: just specifically.
1:21:16
Speaker 14: So that right there, it is always going to be
1:21:19
Speaker 14: Fort Bragg. It has always been Fort Bragg. Everyone in
1:21:23
Speaker 14: the world knows of that name. That there's in pop culture,
1:21:27
Speaker 14: movie references, Rambo. Everybody knows what Brag stands for, and
1:21:32
Speaker 14: it's the men and women that have served. It had
1:21:35
Speaker 14: nothing to do with a World War II general over
1:21:37
Speaker 14: one hundred and fifty years ago. That has to do
1:21:40
Speaker 14: with the men and women and the mission that is
1:21:42
Speaker 14: going on at Fort Bragg, you know, the heart of
1:21:45
Speaker 14: airborne operations, of special operations, the JFK Special Warfare Center.
1:21:52
Speaker 14: I was not happy with that name changed to Fort Liberty,
1:21:54
Speaker 14: nobody in Fayetteville. I live in North Carolina. Nobody called
1:21:57
Speaker 14: it Fort Liberty. It was always Fort Bragg, and we're
1:22:00
Speaker 14: very happy that it's back to being Fort Bragg officially,
1:22:04
Speaker 14: and in doing so, they've actually needed it after a
1:22:06
Speaker 14: World War Two veteran from the greatest generation, Roland Brag
1:22:10
Speaker 14: So it's a win on both fronts.
1:22:12
Speaker 1: The name of the book, The Weight behind the Spear,
1:22:14
Speaker 1: written by my guest today, impressive. He is doctor Colonel Mconkey.
1:22:19
Speaker 1: Who did you write this book for? Is it literally
1:22:22
Speaker 1: for anyone, anybody in any capacity to pass along their
1:22:25
Speaker 1: own knowledge and experience from life or career to young people.
1:22:30
Speaker 1: I suppose the audience for this book is far and wide.
1:22:34
Speaker 14: It's far and wide anybody that deals with this younger generation, teachers, coaches, parents,
1:22:41
Speaker 14: business leaders, business leaders don't realize that this is still
1:22:44
Speaker 14: their problem. These kids are coming to you looking for jobs,
1:22:48
Speaker 14: and if they lack these skills, your business will not
1:22:51
Speaker 14: be successful.
1:22:52
Speaker 1: So really, everybody, it's been a real pleasure having on
1:22:55
Speaker 1: the Morning show again on behalf of all of my
1:22:57
Speaker 1: listening audience, my family me thank you for your service
1:23:01
Speaker 1: to our country and for writing this inspiring book. Be
1:23:04
Speaker 1: the weight behind the sphere. What we've done for everyone's benefit.
1:23:08
Speaker 1: As my producer has put your book on my blog
1:23:11
Speaker 1: page of fifty five care se dot com with a
1:23:12
Speaker 1: link to get a copy, and it will strongly encourage
1:23:15
Speaker 1: them to do that and then share the book with
1:23:16
Speaker 1: a friend who you think might help out as well. Doctor,
1:23:20
Speaker 1: it has been a Colonel, I don't know what you prefer,
1:23:22
Speaker 1: but doctor, Colonel Josh McCaughey, it's been a real distinct
1:23:25
Speaker 1: pleasure to having in the program. And thanks again for
1:23:27
Speaker 1: spending time with my listeners in me this morning. Brian Thomas,
1:23:31
Speaker 1: please to welcome my next guest, Mark Beckman. Tech out
1:23:33
Speaker 1: his resume. I can't read it all. We wouldn't have
1:23:35
Speaker 1: any time to talk about his new books Some Future Day,
1:23:37
Speaker 1: how Ai is going to change Everything. He is the
1:23:39
Speaker 1: CEO of an award winning advertising agency, DMA United, and
1:23:43
Speaker 1: he has well worked on campaigns for literally every major
1:23:47
Speaker 1: company in the country embraces and emerging technology and effort
1:23:51
Speaker 1: to augment campaigns, including We're going to be talking about
1:23:54
Speaker 1: it artificial intelligence, and he's used that a variety of
1:23:58
Speaker 1: wastes for his advertising campaign is show Some Future Day
1:24:02
Speaker 1: examines technology culture, in the law, all kinds of really
1:24:05
Speaker 1: notable guests. He's also of the best selling Comprehensive Guide
1:24:10
Speaker 1: NFTs Digital Artwork Blockchain Technology, a highly a claim book
1:24:16
Speaker 1: that is Welcome to the show, Mark Beckman, Let's talk
1:24:19
Speaker 1: about your book some future day, how AI is going
1:24:21
Speaker 1: to change everything. It's good to have you on the
1:24:23
Speaker 1: Morning show.
1:24:25
Speaker 5: Good morning.
1:24:25
Speaker 15: Thank you so much for having me, and thank you
1:24:28
Speaker 15: for that very very nice introduction.
1:24:31
Speaker 1: I appreciate it well. And you know, based on your resume,
1:24:34
Speaker 1: it was quite abbreviated. I tried to get the key
1:24:37
Speaker 1: elements in, but it is impressive what you've been able
1:24:39
Speaker 1: to do. Let's talk about AI. You know, I'm old
1:24:42
Speaker 1: enough to remember when it was a big thing that
1:24:43
Speaker 1: IBM invented Big Blue, which actually beat a human being
1:24:46
Speaker 1: in the game of chess. That's peanuts compared to what
1:24:49
Speaker 1: this stuff can do today. And I think, and I
1:24:51
Speaker 1: know your book presents I think in an optimistic way,
1:24:55
Speaker 1: how this is going to benefit, you know, the masses,
1:24:58
Speaker 1: But I think most people are afraid of like I'm
1:25:00
Speaker 1: going to be out of a job, kind of afraid.
1:25:04
Speaker 15: Well, you know, it's for sure. People are concerned, as
1:25:08
Speaker 15: they are with every technology and what my book does,
1:25:12
Speaker 15: and I think your audience would appreciate it. I'm sure
1:25:14
Speaker 15: there are tons of people in your audience who are
1:25:17
Speaker 15: smart and curious and beginners. And for those beginners who
1:25:22
Speaker 15: are interested in learning how they can enhance their career,
1:25:26
Speaker 15: make more money, improve their family life, improve their communities.
1:25:32
Speaker 15: My book brings those beginners into the world of artificial intelligence.
1:25:36
Speaker 15: And after every chapter, I actually provide the reader with
1:25:40
Speaker 15: tools that they can use today to start implementing. Whether
1:25:44
Speaker 15: that means they want to learn how to create new
1:25:46
Speaker 15: art work or write a song, or how to you know,
1:25:50
Speaker 15: create more efficiencies at work with emails and writing even business.
1:25:56
Speaker 15: You know, so many of us struggle. We have a
1:25:58
Speaker 15: new business idea, but we don't want to write the
1:26:00
Speaker 15: business plan. I mean now, literally, with these new tools,
1:26:04
Speaker 15: we can write a business plan in a matter of minutes.
1:26:06
Speaker 15: It's incredible. So I lay that all out in my
1:26:10
Speaker 15: new book some future day, how AI is going to
1:26:13
Speaker 15: change everything? And you know, obviously it's on Amazon, Barnes,
1:26:17
Speaker 15: and Noble, target all the big booksellers. But it's pretty straightforward,
1:26:21
Speaker 15: and that's why I'm very optimistic about it. I think
1:26:24
Speaker 15: that this will have very very positive implications to everybody.
1:26:30
Speaker 1: Hey, and your book also is available on my blog
1:26:32
Speaker 1: page at fifty five cares dot com. Always put the book,
1:26:34
Speaker 1: author's books and a link to buy them on my
1:26:36
Speaker 1: blog page. So that's one more mechanism so my listeners
1:26:39
Speaker 1: can always remember that. Now, I guess my concern on this.
1:26:42
Speaker 1: And you know, I practiced law for a long time,
1:26:45
Speaker 1: sixteen years. I've been on the radio for nineteen, but
1:26:47
Speaker 1: prior to that, sixteen years of practicing law, and I
1:26:49
Speaker 1: know they're using AI to create legal briefs. Part of
1:26:52
Speaker 1: the thing about you know, a lawyer was it required
1:26:54
Speaker 1: critical thinking analysis. You had to do the work yourself,
1:26:57
Speaker 1: which help you improve the case, manage the the the
1:27:01
Speaker 1: direction of the arguments and articulating them. It helped the
1:27:05
Speaker 1: juices in the brain flow and I think that benefit
1:27:07
Speaker 1: of the client. And when you talk about like having
1:27:10
Speaker 1: it write a business plan, if you're got a great
1:27:12
Speaker 1: idea for a business, isn't part of developing the business itself,
1:27:17
Speaker 1: sitting down and contemplating as you write a business plan
1:27:20
Speaker 1: to help you, you know, steer the direction of the
1:27:23
Speaker 1: business model. I mean it forces you to think, I
1:27:25
Speaker 1: just worry about AI. Maybe dumbing us down. It doesn't
1:27:28
Speaker 1: require It takes away the logic and the and the
1:27:32
Speaker 1: creative component that your brain works on, and I think
1:27:35
Speaker 1: that part benefits you and helps you develop as a person.
1:27:40
Speaker 15: So it's a it's a great question, particularly from me
1:27:44
Speaker 15: because my background is law as well.
1:27:46
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, and yeah.
1:27:48
Speaker 15: So I'll tell you something cool on one of my episodes.
1:27:51
Speaker 15: I'd love to send it to you somehow. But on
1:27:53
Speaker 15: one of my episodes on my show Some Future Day
1:27:57
Speaker 15: on YouTube, I intro I introduced to my audience the
1:28:01
Speaker 15: first political figure who uses artificial intelligence to draft a bill.
1:28:07
Speaker 15: And you can imagine. His name is Clyde Vanelle. He's
1:28:10
Speaker 15: here in New York City and you can imagine Assemblyman
1:28:13
Speaker 15: Clyde got into a lot of trouble. His constituency went
1:28:17
Speaker 15: ballistic on him. But what he admitted was that he
1:28:21
Speaker 15: had to go and apply that personal touch that you're
1:28:25
Speaker 15: talking about. Your concern his creativity. At the end of
1:28:29
Speaker 15: the day, and I write about this in my book too.
1:28:32
Speaker 15: If you look at machine versus man, man still wins
1:28:36
Speaker 15: that creative element. You're right, we could be creative with
1:28:40
Speaker 15: artificial intelligence, but it's not going to get that emotional connection.
1:28:43
Speaker 15: You can't break through the way Bob Dylan does, you
1:28:45
Speaker 15: can't break through the way Pablo Picasso does. So for
1:28:49
Speaker 15: sure humans will beat the machines every single time. And
1:28:54
Speaker 15: I get into like some fun stories. The book isn't
1:28:56
Speaker 15: just technical with regards to use this tool if you
1:28:59
Speaker 15: want to create a paint, and use this tool if
1:29:00
Speaker 15: you want to create a photograph. But I get into
1:29:03
Speaker 15: like these types of stories and issues too, And I
1:29:05
Speaker 15: get and I go deep into the idea of like
1:29:08
Speaker 15: the human spirit, our ability as creators to touch emotion
1:29:12
Speaker 15: is far superior than algebra. And at the end of
1:29:15
Speaker 15: the day, AI is literally algebra. It's predicting. So I'm
1:29:20
Speaker 15: with you on that humans are going to beat machines
1:29:22
Speaker 15: all day long.
1:29:23
Speaker 1: Well, and you know, in terms of drafting a bill,
1:29:25
Speaker 1: I you know and understand how legislative drafting is done.
1:29:28
Speaker 1: You take the Code of Federal Regulations for example, you
1:29:31
Speaker 1: see a bill out of Congress, you have to refer
1:29:33
Speaker 1: back to the original Code of Fedal Regulations to see
1:29:37
Speaker 1: what the original REGs stated. They never incorporate that language
1:29:39
Speaker 1: into a new builder work and on. They just change
1:29:42
Speaker 1: things within it. So artificial intelligence can go a long
1:29:45
Speaker 1: way because it can easily digest thousands and thousands of
1:29:48
Speaker 1: pages of rags and make sure what you're writing now
1:29:52
Speaker 1: you know, it goes, you know, falls in line with
1:29:54
Speaker 1: what's already on the book. So that is a great advance.
1:29:57
Speaker 1: It takes out the human error component of that and
1:29:59
Speaker 1: a lot of a man hours or hours of work.
1:30:03
Speaker 1: But you know, I guess I wonder in terms of
1:30:08
Speaker 1: other things like, well, maybe human error we have to
1:30:14
Speaker 1: worry about that, and it takes out that element of
1:30:16
Speaker 1: human error. But these artificial intelligence platforms are programmed by humans.
1:30:21
Speaker 1: So you got that whole garbage in, garbage out kind
1:30:23
Speaker 1: of concern, and we've seen some of that pop up
1:30:25
Speaker 1: with artificial intelligence being rolled out, Like how come there's
1:30:28
Speaker 1: so much bias in one direction with everything this system
1:30:31
Speaker 1: turns out, like chat GPT for example.
1:30:34
Speaker 15: That's a great question. So my book gets into this issue.
1:30:39
Speaker 15: It's a real issue, the idea of racism, sexism, and bias.
1:30:45
Speaker 15: And what you're talking about is the way that these lllms,
1:30:48
Speaker 15: these large language models are trained and when they're trained effectively,
1:30:53
Speaker 15: what's happening is for your audience. The tech companies like
1:30:56
Speaker 15: open ai and Microsoft that are building the llms, they're
1:31:00
Speaker 15: taking a corpus of information and data from humanity and
1:31:04
Speaker 15: feeding them into the computer to give the effectively the
1:31:08
Speaker 15: intelligence the artificial intelligence life. But let's face it, a
1:31:13
Speaker 15: lot of that information is not just faulty in the
1:31:16
Speaker 15: way that you spoke about garbage in garbage out, but
1:31:19
Speaker 15: it's also missing huge blocks of data. So think in
1:31:23
Speaker 15: terms of like the mid century, nineteen fifties, when certain
1:31:27
Speaker 15: parts of our population weren't included, weren't even able to
1:31:32
Speaker 15: draft certain research papers and research studies. So if you
1:31:36
Speaker 15: look at, for example, the Nobel Prize winners going through
1:31:39
Speaker 15: the forties and the fifties, they're typically just representative of
1:31:43
Speaker 15: one gender, of one skin color, and we're missing out
1:31:48
Speaker 15: a ton of points of view. There are no women
1:31:51
Speaker 15: winners in the Noble Award arena in the nineteen fifties
1:31:55
Speaker 15: because they weren't allowed to participate. So the other issue
1:31:59
Speaker 15: that's never going to be fixable, it will always be
1:32:01
Speaker 15: biased to your point, is the fact that those points
1:32:05
Speaker 15: of view are not included from that time period when
1:32:09
Speaker 15: these lms were trained. So it really is an issue,
1:32:12
Speaker 15: but it is getting better. So there's the issue of
1:32:15
Speaker 15: let's say, explicit bias, which I think is what you
1:32:18
Speaker 15: were focused on. But then there's this implicit bias which
1:32:21
Speaker 15: is going to stay forever.
1:32:25
Speaker 1: I'm talking with Mark Beckman offered the book some future day,
1:32:27
Speaker 1: how AI is going to change everything? And any book
1:32:30
Speaker 1: you suggest that artificial intelligence might have the ability to
1:32:33
Speaker 1: strengthen family bonds and improve the quality of our home
1:32:36
Speaker 1: lives along how might that work out? And still, what
1:32:40
Speaker 1: are you referring to?
1:32:42
Speaker 15: Okay, I love that you bring it up, And I'm
1:32:44
Speaker 15: going to give you an example of something that came
1:32:47
Speaker 15: my way. As you can imagine, because of the book,
1:32:48
Speaker 15: all I'm doing is meeting people who are coming at
1:32:51
Speaker 15: me and talking about artificial intelligence.
1:32:53
Speaker 1: All day every day.
1:32:54
Speaker 15: And this is a crazy story, but it's true, and
1:32:57
Speaker 15: you know, maybe it's good. So there's a couple, a
1:33:00
Speaker 15: young couple probably in their thirties living in Texas that
1:33:04
Speaker 15: came to me and they were like, we want to
1:33:05
Speaker 15: tell you the story. We've been fighting like crazy, and
1:33:09
Speaker 15: I guess the husband has a lack of desire to
1:33:13
Speaker 15: be cooperative with his wife and go to a marriage
1:33:16
Speaker 15: counselor so they negotiated and the deal is, believe it
1:33:20
Speaker 15: or not, It's nuts. Is that chat GPT is the
1:33:23
Speaker 15: marriage counselor and every time they have an argument, they
1:33:28
Speaker 15: enter their arguments into chatch Ept to find a resolution.
1:33:33
Speaker 15: And as weird as the sounds, it's true and it's
1:33:36
Speaker 15: been helping their marriage. So this is like one of
1:33:39
Speaker 15: the most bizarre, Like I definitely didn't write about this
1:33:42
Speaker 15: in the book, Like this wasn't something I expected. But
1:33:45
Speaker 15: people are becoming creative and now they're using chatch Ept
1:33:49
Speaker 15: to have a better married life.
1:33:52
Speaker 1: That's unusual, you know, taking the place of a therapist,
1:33:55
Speaker 1: and I can hear people in the therapy community going,
1:33:57
Speaker 1: oh my god, AI is going to put me out
1:33:58
Speaker 1: of business. But that takes out that human element.
1:34:00
Speaker 13: You know.
1:34:01
Speaker 1: If I meet you in person, we sit down and
1:34:02
Speaker 1: we talk, I can gauge the type of person you are.
1:34:05
Speaker 1: I can see how you react to different situations. I
1:34:07
Speaker 1: can understand your emotions and how you know maybe maybe
1:34:10
Speaker 1: you're you fly off the handle quickly or you react
1:34:13
Speaker 1: differently different based on different subject matters. And I don't
1:34:15
Speaker 1: understand how artificial intelligence can can can grasp that human element.
1:34:20
Speaker 1: You type of question in my wife and I are
1:34:22
Speaker 1: fighting about this, that doesn't really fully appreciate the whole
1:34:25
Speaker 1: situation that's going on.
1:34:27
Speaker 7: I want to take you a little further down this path.
1:34:30
Speaker 15: Sure, so I think in terms of a well, first
1:34:34
Speaker 15: of all, I want to tell you there will inevitably
1:34:37
Speaker 15: be a whole You keep referring to job loss, and
1:34:40
Speaker 15: there will definitely be a huge elimination of jobs, white
1:34:45
Speaker 15: collar jobs, professionals, lawyers, and the like. And there have
1:34:50
Speaker 15: already been great advances, and I talk about this in
1:34:52
Speaker 15: the book. I break out different business sectors in the
1:34:55
Speaker 15: book finance, medicine, the creative industries fashion, art, music, Hollywood,
1:35:01
Speaker 15: and there have been tremendous advances in the medical industry.
1:35:05
Speaker 15: For example. Think in terms of discovering diagnosing illnesses. Google
1:35:12
Speaker 15: created a vertical called Amy. It's a type of artificial
1:35:16
Speaker 15: intelligence that they've trained and almost with one hundred percent accuracy.
1:35:20
Speaker 15: Now they could discover and diagnose rare diseases and old
1:35:25
Speaker 15: diseases that have even been eliminated from society. So they're
1:35:28
Speaker 15: doing great with that. But think about this. Imagine if
1:35:31
Speaker 15: you have a child who is ten years old and
1:35:34
Speaker 15: she's starting to struggle with some issues, and you use
1:35:37
Speaker 15: artificial intelligence to diagnose what your child's mental illness might
1:35:43
Speaker 15: be and then from there you can go.
1:35:44
Speaker 5: To a doctor and start working with a doctor.
1:35:46
Speaker 15: Well, the child will also have at you know, I
1:35:50
Speaker 15: think eventually really soon, actually, like it's on us now,
1:35:54
Speaker 15: an AI agent which could work with them in so
1:35:57
Speaker 15: many different ways. And that AI agent that could serve
1:36:00
Speaker 15: almost as like a technological like robotic type of therapists,
1:36:06
Speaker 15: will also remember all of your child's issues. The child
1:36:09
Speaker 15: might feel freer speaking to something that is just a robot,
1:36:14
Speaker 15: let's say, versus an human, and that that artificial intelligence
1:36:18
Speaker 15: will remember all of your child's fears and frailties and
1:36:22
Speaker 15: issues and problems that take that along with her for
1:36:25
Speaker 15: her entire life. They're going to see the same thing
1:36:28
Speaker 15: change as it relates to education tutors, where you know, forever,
1:36:32
Speaker 15: the artificial intelligence will build and work with your child
1:36:35
Speaker 15: in different ways from an academic perspective, they'll build on
1:36:38
Speaker 15: it through years and years and years of fostering a
1:36:40
Speaker 15: relationship and training itself in a specialized way specific to
1:36:45
Speaker 15: your child's needs. So again these are like foreign concepts,
1:36:49
Speaker 15: but there could be benefits. And again my perspective is
1:36:52
Speaker 15: AI is simply a tool. It's only math, and it
1:36:56
Speaker 15: should be not it should not be replacing the professionals
1:36:59
Speaker 15: and the humans. But if the if the professionals could
1:37:02
Speaker 15: use them as a tool, it could provide our society
1:37:06
Speaker 15: with tremendous benefits.
1:37:07
Speaker 1: Lots to take in here, get a copy of it
1:37:09
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1:37:11
Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure talking with you. Mark Beckman. Really
1:37:13
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1:37:14
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1:37:16
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1:37:21
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1:37:31
Speaker 1: name Mary Greybar. She's a Resident Fellow of the Alexander
1:37:33
Speaker 1: Hamilton Institute for the Study of Western Civilization and the
1:37:36
Speaker 1: founder of I Love This Even the organization the Dissident
1:37:39
Speaker 1: Profit Education Project, taught to college level for twenty years,
1:37:43
Speaker 1: most recently at Emory University. Or work has been published
1:37:46
Speaker 1: by the federalist town Hall, Front Page Magazine, City Journal,
1:37:48
Speaker 1: American Greatness, and Academic Questions. And she's written a book.
1:37:52
Speaker 1: We're talking about today debunking fd R, the Man and
1:37:55
Speaker 1: the Myths. Welcome to the fifty five Cars Morning Show. Mary,
1:37:57
Speaker 1: it's a pleasure to have you on this morning.
1:38:00
Speaker 11: Well, thank you, it's great to be here.
1:38:02
Speaker 1: When I think of FDR, I first think of my grandfather,
1:38:06
Speaker 1: who was a lifelong Democrat, because FDR gave him a
1:38:10
Speaker 1: job when he was a teenager in the Civilian Conservation
1:38:13
Speaker 1: Corps and that was enough to win over his long
1:38:14
Speaker 1: lifelong support for the Democrat Party, even though he was
1:38:18
Speaker 1: voting for the indefensible quite often. We used to get
1:38:20
Speaker 1: in political arguments when I was younger. But God rest
1:38:25
Speaker 1: his soul. But he also was the father of term limits.
1:38:28
Speaker 1: We're bringing about the twenty second amendment.
1:38:34
Speaker 11: Yeah, well I've heard of others, you know, who had
1:38:38
Speaker 11: warm failings for FDR. Because of the Civilian Conservation Corps.
1:38:44
Speaker 11: People were very desperate, and so that was part of
1:38:48
Speaker 11: his strategy, was to give things to people who were
1:38:53
Speaker 11: suffering under the depression. I mean, it wasn't from his
1:38:57
Speaker 11: personal fortune, it was from tech payers. And then to
1:39:02
Speaker 11: seem like, you know, the magnificent leader. Yes, and so
1:39:07
Speaker 11: you know, you have those emotional resonances and they still
1:39:11
Speaker 11: exist and it's passed on, you know. I mean, some
1:39:15
Speaker 11: people can understand while this was part of a strategy,
1:39:19
Speaker 11: but others think, you know, well we need to continue
1:39:22
Speaker 11: with that kind of program.
1:39:23
Speaker 1: Well, people easily refer to him in such awe was
1:39:26
Speaker 1: this great or all? He was a great guy. He
1:39:28
Speaker 1: got us we won World War Two. He got us
1:39:30
Speaker 1: out of the Great Depression, and perhaps maybe we got
1:39:33
Speaker 1: out of the Great Depression because of World War Two.
1:39:36
Speaker 1: I've always kind of looked at it that way. It
1:39:38
Speaker 1: put a lot of people to work in the defense industry,
1:39:40
Speaker 1: and it put a lot of people overseas fighting wars,
1:39:43
Speaker 1: and that in large parts help us. Helped us turn
1:39:46
Speaker 1: around the country, didn't it.
1:39:48
Speaker 11: Well, yeah, and it's a little deceptive because you know,
1:39:52
Speaker 11: you had, you know, millions of working age men who
1:39:56
Speaker 11: were fighting overseas, so those unemployment figures were deceptive. It
1:40:02
Speaker 11: wasn't really until after the war that the economy rebounded, so,
1:40:08
Speaker 11: you know, and a lot of people at the time,
1:40:12
Speaker 11: you know, leading up to the war, we're thinking, you know,
1:40:14
Speaker 11: he's such a failure. I mean, the economy is still
1:40:17
Speaker 11: so bad, you know, twenty percent unemployment, and hey, maybe
1:40:22
Speaker 11: he's thinking of war to get us out of this mess.
1:40:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Europe, of course, that's what there's go ahead.
1:40:29
Speaker 11: I'm sorry, Oh yeah, I mean that's what a lot
1:40:32
Speaker 11: of the critics were saying, you know at the time.
1:40:34
Speaker 1: Yes, and you know, the United States remained completely unscathed.
1:40:38
Speaker 1: So the rest of the industrial complex around the world,
1:40:41
Speaker 1: you pretty much bombed out mess of all of Europe
1:40:43
Speaker 1: and in England. So we seem to be the recipients
1:40:47
Speaker 1: of a lot of business potential and opportunity because the
1:40:50
Speaker 1: rest of the world still needed goods.
1:40:53
Speaker 11: Yes, And it was the same thing, you know, after
1:40:56
Speaker 11: World War One, so you had the industrialists, the manufacturers,
1:41:02
Speaker 11: you know, rebuilding Europe. Yeah. And the thing was, you know,
1:41:08
Speaker 11: the war could have been ended a couple of years sooner,
1:41:12
Speaker 11: according to many historians. But uh, you know, Franklin Roosevelt,
1:41:18
Speaker 11: this is one of the things I point out as
1:41:20
Speaker 11: I go through his early history and his early political career.
1:41:24
Speaker 11: He just had this hatred of Germans. And I'm not
1:41:27
Speaker 11: talking just about Nazis, I'm talking about your you know,
1:41:31
Speaker 11: your ethnic German and he would not consider uh, you know,
1:41:37
Speaker 11: having an agreement and uh, you know, ceasing fighting even
1:41:41
Speaker 11: though there were uh you know, Germans resisting Hitler at
1:41:45
Speaker 11: the time, he insisted on unconditional surrender. He wanted to
1:41:50
Speaker 11: make Germany completely pastoral, wipe out all industry, uh, divided
1:41:56
Speaker 11: up into different segments, and make her completely powerless.
1:42:02
Speaker 1: My understanding he had he was in thrall of Stalin.
1:42:06
Speaker 1: And I mostly remember uh FDR along the lines of
1:42:11
Speaker 1: the guy that sold out Eastern Europe at Yalta. So
1:42:15
Speaker 1: did I mean, did he not cave in or capitulate
1:42:19
Speaker 1: the Stalin at Yalta in giving up the European of
1:42:22
Speaker 1: the Eastern European countries and turning them into communist nations.
1:42:26
Speaker 4: Oh?
1:42:27
Speaker 11: Absolutely, And that happened even before a Tehran. And you know,
1:42:32
Speaker 11: he was infatuated with Stalin. Anything Stalin wanted, uh, you know,
1:42:38
Speaker 11: uh FDR was like this defrauded lover, you know, appealing
1:42:44
Speaker 11: to him. I mean, he had so many opportunities, you know, uh,
1:42:49
Speaker 11: you know, with lens lease and supplying uh you know,
1:42:52
Speaker 11: military equipment and food and everything else, uh to you know,
1:42:58
Speaker 11: rein him in. But he ever did. I mean, he
1:43:01
Speaker 11: was an absolutely awful negotiator, and he carved up Poland
1:43:07
Speaker 11: and told him you know, but I can't announce this
1:43:11
Speaker 11: until after the election in nineteen forty, because you know,
1:43:15
Speaker 11: American polls were voters, and he wanted them to vote
1:43:18
Speaker 11: for him, and they were you know, pretty solidly Democrats.
1:43:22
Speaker 1: Well, did he also have a hatred for Japan because
1:43:24
Speaker 1: he is famous for rounding up Japanese American citizens. Most
1:43:29
Speaker 1: only one of my dad's friends, who was a very
1:43:31
Speaker 1: young child at the time, ended up in an internment camp.
1:43:33
Speaker 1: They lost their house and we're we're in a camp.
1:43:36
Speaker 1: I mean that that to me is like, I mean,
1:43:38
Speaker 1: one of the bigger human rights abuses that have ever
1:43:40
Speaker 1: been conducted by a president.
1:43:43
Speaker 11: Well, and he also did that to Germans, you know,
1:43:46
Speaker 11: Germans who lived here in the United States. You know,
1:43:51
Speaker 11: there was no due process. You know, if someone heard
1:43:55
Speaker 11: a neighborhood someone speaking German or getting German public aid,
1:44:00
Speaker 11: they were put under suspicion. I mean, there was no
1:44:02
Speaker 11: due process. And they were also interns. But yes, Roosevelt
1:44:08
Speaker 11: did hate the Japanese. He had a soft spot for
1:44:11
Speaker 11: the Chinese because and he'd never been to China, although
1:44:15
Speaker 11: he you know, claimed to be an expert on China.
1:44:19
Speaker 11: But it was because his grandfather made his fortune by
1:44:23
Speaker 11: pushing opium in China and he thought that Japanese. Yeah, yeah,
1:44:28
Speaker 11: I go into that quite a bit, and he always
1:44:30
Speaker 11: denied it in his story. A lot of historians have
1:44:33
Speaker 11: downplayed it or outright denied it. But yeah, he was
1:44:37
Speaker 11: an opium pusher.
1:44:39
Speaker 1: How about this is the first time I've ever heard that.
1:44:43
Speaker 1: We always hear the stories about the Kennedy family making
1:44:45
Speaker 1: money off prohibition, but I was not aware of that history.
1:44:49
Speaker 1: That's that's frightening.
1:44:52
Speaker 11: Yes, and it's been suppressed for a long time. And
1:44:54
Speaker 11: I go into quite a bit of detail about it
1:44:57
Speaker 11: in my book. And you know, the point of the
1:45:00
Speaker 11: Japanese even before he was inaugurated, he told you know,
1:45:06
Speaker 11: his future cabinet members that you know, he foresaw war
1:45:11
Speaker 11: with Japan. So this is you know, in nineteen early
1:45:16
Speaker 11: nineteen thirty three. He was inaugurated in March, of course.
1:45:20
Speaker 1: Wow. But there have been rumors swirling for years that
1:45:25
Speaker 1: maybe he even knew about the impending and bombing of
1:45:28
Speaker 1: Pearl Harbor. Is there any truth to that notion?
1:45:32
Speaker 11: Well, I don't know if that will ever be proven
1:45:34
Speaker 11: because a lot of the records have been destroyed and
1:45:37
Speaker 11: he did not keep diaries, but he did tell Admiral
1:45:42
Speaker 11: Richardson James L. Richardson that he would not remove the
1:45:48
Speaker 11: fleet from Hawaii. Richardson said, you know, they're vulnerable. So
1:45:54
Speaker 11: he said, I can't do this in an election year.
1:45:57
Speaker 11: It's nineteen forty. So he, uh, you know, put Richardson
1:46:02
Speaker 11: in a different spot and put in Kimmel, who was
1:46:05
Speaker 11: more you know, agreeable, And so he was warned about that.
1:46:10
Speaker 11: And he was trying to provoke war. I mean, you know,
1:46:14
Speaker 11: as I point out in an article that I had
1:46:17
Speaker 11: published recently. Also, you know, when he and Churchill met
1:46:21
Speaker 11: at Placentia Bay, he said, you know, I am going
1:46:25
Speaker 11: to provoke war. I want I want to have a provocation.
1:46:30
Speaker 11: I want an incident. He was hoping that it would
1:46:34
Speaker 11: be around the Philippines. You know, he didn't think that
1:46:37
Speaker 11: the Japanese were smart enough to send such a bombing mission,
1:46:42
Speaker 11: you know that you know, destroyed the fleet and killed
1:46:45
Speaker 11: almost three thousand men. But they were you know, he
1:46:49
Speaker 11: thought that the Japanese were sneaky and not very smart.
1:46:52
Speaker 1: Well, I know he's perceived as this, you know, a
1:46:54
Speaker 1: champion of the working crass and a class in the press. Obviously,
1:46:57
Speaker 1: he had a great depression to camp pain On along
1:47:00
Speaker 1: those lines. I suppose the failure of the Hoover administration
1:47:05
Speaker 1: helped him, But what was his driving motivation? Is it
1:47:08
Speaker 1: just simply a typical politician power struggle and wanting to
1:47:11
Speaker 1: be a powerful, controlling man.
1:47:15
Speaker 11: Yes, he wanted to be a dictator. He was called
1:47:18
Speaker 11: a dictator when he was first inaugurated. Some people said,
1:47:22
Speaker 11: we need a dictator to get us out of the depression.
1:47:25
Speaker 11: But his ambition from the time he was a boy,
1:47:29
Speaker 11: or at least a freshman at Harvard, as he told
1:47:32
Speaker 11: a girlfriend or he hoped would be his girlfriend, that
1:47:37
Speaker 11: he thought he would be president. And he followed in
1:47:40
Speaker 11: the footsteps of his cousin, his distant cousin, Theodore Roosevelt,
1:47:44
Speaker 11: and you know, planned out his political path of you know,
1:47:49
Speaker 11: one a seat to the New York State Senate, then
1:47:53
Speaker 11: became assistant Secretary of the Navy, just like you know,
1:47:57
Speaker 11: t R. Was ran for vice president with Knox, with
1:48:04
Speaker 11: Cox I'm sorry, and you know then of course came
1:48:07
Speaker 11: down with polio. And but he did, you know, when
1:48:11
Speaker 11: the governorship served two terms and you know, he was
1:48:15
Speaker 11: looking for an opportunity. A lot of people think he
1:48:18
Speaker 11: was just you know, floundering around. Well, meaning during the depression.
1:48:23
Speaker 11: But as I point out.
1:48:25
Speaker 4: From a speech that he gave at the People's.
1:48:27
Speaker 11: Forum in Troy, New York in March nineteen twelve, he
1:48:31
Speaker 11: believed that the Founding Fathers had it a little wrong.
1:48:35
Speaker 11: They wanted independence, but what they really wanted was cooperation
1:48:40
Speaker 11: and interdependence. And he already was talking about the compulsory
1:48:45
Speaker 11: programs that he would set up in the New Deal.
1:48:49
Speaker 11: So this is nineteen twelve.
1:48:51
Speaker 1: Well, was he a fan of the Woodrow Wilson style government?
1:48:55
Speaker 1: You know, dictatorial from top down and you know, the
1:48:58
Speaker 1: the govern of experts dictating the terms of condition of
1:49:02
Speaker 1: our lives. Is that his mold.
1:49:06
Speaker 14: A little bit.
1:49:06
Speaker 11: He was not a great reader or a student, you know,
1:49:12
Speaker 11: he was, you know, living in that milieu of progressivism.
1:49:16
Speaker 11: I don't think he consciously followed Woodrow Wilson's program, but
1:49:22
Speaker 11: they coincidentally matched because Franklin Roosevelt, you know, grew up
1:49:28
Speaker 11: in the Hudson Valley and the kind of feudalistic system
1:49:32
Speaker 11: he thought of himself as, you know, being sort of
1:49:35
Speaker 11: lord of the nation, and that top down system, you know,
1:49:40
Speaker 11: aligns with progressivism. Yes, so he had these kind of
1:49:43
Speaker 11: vague notions but and he, you know, he did see
1:49:47
Speaker 11: himself as being powerful, more powerful than the other two
1:49:52
Speaker 11: branches of government.
1:49:54
Speaker 1: Well, and I guess I have to ask, because you know,
1:49:56
Speaker 1: mister Fireside, Chad Fdr. Everybody's like sort of Grand Fi
1:50:00
Speaker 1: figure offering us, you know, comfort and solace in our
1:50:03
Speaker 1: in our difficult times. Excuse me, ma'am. What was he
1:50:07
Speaker 1: really like behind the scenes? Was he that you know,
1:50:09
Speaker 1: decent reasonable guy or was he kind of boil it
1:50:12
Speaker 1: down as there was he kind of a jerk because
1:50:14
Speaker 1: a lot of people's public persona is not the way
1:50:16
Speaker 1: they really run the run the ship.
1:50:20
Speaker 4: That's right.
1:50:20
Speaker 11: Yes, he was a master of the radio. That was
1:50:23
Speaker 11: a new medium. That was you know, and so was Mussolini.
1:50:28
Speaker 11: But I quote extensively from a fellow Groten student, Francis Biddle,
1:50:34
Speaker 11: who became his uh Attorney general ultimately, and he writes
1:50:40
Speaker 11: about what he would do to the people closest to him.
1:50:45
Speaker 3: Uh.
1:50:46
Speaker 11: He had a way of catching them when they were
1:50:49
Speaker 11: most vulnerable and then sort of attacking them with something
1:50:55
Speaker 11: that was very hurtful, and he had pleasure in doing that.
1:51:01
Speaker 11: There's something sadistic about him, and even I don't know
1:51:05
Speaker 11: if you know I'm not a psychologist, but when he
1:51:08
Speaker 11: was a boy, he wrote this letter to one of
1:51:11
Speaker 11: his governesses about how he liked to watch squirrels die
1:51:17
Speaker 11: after he shot them or esque. I know it's there
1:51:27
Speaker 11: was definitely a mean streak, and he really was impervious
1:51:33
Speaker 11: to people's suffering. He was very callous. He's yeah, yeah,
1:51:39
Speaker 11: he sent this maybe lieutenant on a He wanted to
1:51:43
Speaker 11: send him on a suicide mission to provoke the Japanese.
1:51:47
Speaker 11: And you know, given given what I've discovered about his
1:51:52
Speaker 11: early life and his pre presidential career, that sounds, you know,
1:52:00
Speaker 11: like it would be true. I mean, that was his character.
1:52:04
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure there's a DSM diagnosis born somewhere in there,
1:52:08
Speaker 1: without question. Name of the book, Debunking FDR The Man
1:52:11
Speaker 1: in the Miss my guest today, Mary Grevart. Mary, we
1:52:13
Speaker 1: put your book on my blog page fifty five cars
1:52:15
Speaker 1: dot com so my listeners can easily get a copy
1:52:17
Speaker 1: learn about the realities of FDR rather than the myths
1:52:20
Speaker 1: and legends we've been fed all these years. Mary, It's
1:52:23
Speaker 1: been an interesting conversation. It's a wonderful book, and I
1:52:25
Speaker 1: know my listener is going to really enjoy reading it.
1:52:27
Speaker 1: And I can't thank you enough for the time he
1:52:29
Speaker 1: spoke my listeners today, just scratching the surface of the
1:52:31
Speaker 1: man who is or was FDR.
1:52:34
Speaker 11: Well, thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure.
1:52:37
Speaker 1: SAH had me thirty fifty five krc DE Talk Station.
1:52:39
Speaker 1: A very happy Friday to you, bry Thomas. Please to
1:52:42
Speaker 1: welcome to the five Carsey Morning Show. Offer of a
1:52:43
Speaker 1: couple of books we're going to be talking about today.
1:52:46
Speaker 1: My guest Richard Lyons, author of the two books we
1:52:49
Speaker 1: will be speaking about today, as I mentioned, the DNA
1:52:51
Speaker 1: of Democracy Volume one and Shadows of the Acropolis Volume two.
1:52:54
Speaker 1: Born and raised in the Midwest, education took him through
1:52:56
Speaker 1: Loyola Academy, University of North Caro, North Texas, and graduate
1:53:00
Speaker 1: with career at Southern Methodist University. He's been a lifelong
1:53:03
Speaker 1: admired of the written word, which has led him to
1:53:05
Speaker 1: a literary pursuits as a poet, essays and so screenwriter,
1:53:08
Speaker 1: also a third generation printer. Welcome to the program, mister Lyons.
1:53:12
Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to have you on today.
1:53:14
Speaker 16: Oh great to be with you, Brian.
1:53:16
Speaker 5: Yeah.
1:53:16
Speaker 1: Now let's start with the DNA of Democracy. You do
1:53:20
Speaker 1: a long history analysis of this from the Ten Commandments
1:53:24
Speaker 1: all the way through modern times how democracy is formed,
1:53:27
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm thinking about the Ten Commandments, and
1:53:29
Speaker 1: I've always tried to contemplate this. I try to be
1:53:31
Speaker 1: Switzerland in my approach to the Morning Show. I have
1:53:34
Speaker 1: many in my audience who are very religious. I have agnostics,
1:53:37
Speaker 1: I've got atheists. But I've always thought to myself, you
1:53:39
Speaker 1: know what if you if you weren't religious, you're Moses
1:53:42
Speaker 1: sitting on a mountain and you were the head of
1:53:44
Speaker 1: the tribe, and you left to sort of contemplate life's problems,
1:53:48
Speaker 1: you probably would have come up with the Ten Commandments
1:53:50
Speaker 1: as you sit there and contemplate, why is it that
1:53:52
Speaker 1: our neighbors are fighting amongst themselves? Why is it something? Well,
1:53:55
Speaker 1: it's because you coveted your neighbor's wife, or but it's
1:53:57
Speaker 1: because you cover your covetous and greedy generally, you know,
1:54:00
Speaker 1: don't do that stuff and you'll live a happier life.
1:54:04
Speaker 16: No, that's great, Brian, and very true. It's common sense,
1:54:07
Speaker 16: isn't it.
1:54:07
Speaker 5: It is?
1:54:08
Speaker 16: But it's also it's also the first And people don't
1:54:11
Speaker 16: get this, and everybody should, even humanists, that the Ten
1:54:15
Speaker 16: Commandments were the first common law. They were the first
1:54:19
Speaker 16: law that entailed both kings and priests and had a
1:54:23
Speaker 16: common law to which applied to the whole society, not
1:54:28
Speaker 16: just some I like that. I look at that, and
1:54:31
Speaker 16: that is that is a real foundation of British common
1:54:34
Speaker 16: law and our common law. So that's where I see
1:54:38
Speaker 16: it as a as a contributing element to our democracy.
1:54:42
Speaker 16: And also there are rights entailed to that right if
1:54:46
Speaker 16: you don't come it, you have a right to your
1:54:48
Speaker 16: own property, right, thou shalt not steal. You have a
1:54:52
Speaker 16: right to your own life, thou shalt not murder. These
1:54:55
Speaker 16: are things that are also cornerstones of democracies.
1:55:00
Speaker 1: Unalienable rights. And I always think of things, hey, I
1:55:03
Speaker 1: derive from God. It derived from God because the greatest illustration.
1:55:07
Speaker 1: And I talk to Judge Enata Palaton about this all
1:55:09
Speaker 1: the time on my program, he's on every week. If
1:55:11
Speaker 1: you were in the state of nature, if you were
1:55:13
Speaker 1: plunked down in the field before there was organized police, religion,
1:55:17
Speaker 1: a government, you have the right to defend yourself. You
1:55:19
Speaker 1: have the right to own property, you have the right
1:55:21
Speaker 1: to hunt and gather and eat, and all of these
1:55:23
Speaker 1: things come built into the package, and only a government
1:55:27
Speaker 1: institution or perhaps sometimes religious organization can take them away
1:55:31
Speaker 1: from you. Yes, correct, that's right.
1:55:35
Speaker 16: But it's derived from God, as from the mount brought
1:55:39
Speaker 16: down by Moses. No power on earth can take those
1:55:44
Speaker 16: rights away. And that's the point. They're inalienable.
1:55:47
Speaker 1: Why are we as a people so willing to want
1:55:50
Speaker 1: to give those up? I understand we must interact and coexist,
1:55:54
Speaker 1: but that's where a system of laws comes in that
1:55:57
Speaker 1: are supposed to be designed to protect these unalienable rights.
1:56:00
Speaker 1: And yet people are almost fearful of being free and
1:56:04
Speaker 1: being able to have these choices, but being also responsible
1:56:07
Speaker 1: for these choices.
1:56:10
Speaker 16: Yeah, I think you know, there's an allure to big
1:56:13
Speaker 16: government and we've been subject to that now, Brian for decades. Yes,
1:56:17
Speaker 16: where the people look to big government and they say,
1:56:19
Speaker 16: you know you can. And it comes from World War two,
1:56:22
Speaker 16: the great success in World War Two. After that, people said, well,
1:56:25
Speaker 16: the government can do no wrong, and we should look
1:56:28
Speaker 16: to government to solve all of our problems because they
1:56:31
Speaker 16: solve the problem of Hitler and Japan. And it became
1:56:35
Speaker 16: a mindset in America that a centralized government in Washington,
1:56:41
Speaker 16: DC can solve all of society's will was, and the
1:56:44
Speaker 16: allure to people is, well, if they are solving my problem,
1:56:47
Speaker 16: I don't have to think about it, I don't have
1:56:49
Speaker 16: to deal with it. And so we fell prey to
1:56:52
Speaker 16: that for decades and now we're just waking up to
1:56:55
Speaker 16: the other side of that coin, and that is that
1:56:59
Speaker 16: governments can all so oppress. They can also overtax you.
1:57:03
Speaker 16: They can also spend your money really stupidly. So this
1:57:07
Speaker 16: is a good mindset we're discovering now with Donald Trump.
1:57:11
Speaker 1: Indeed, and you know, it's interesting on the heels of
1:57:13
Speaker 1: my conversation with doctor James Thorpe, who exposed how devastating
1:57:17
Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen vae vaccine is and was for pregnant mothers.
1:57:22
Speaker 1: That's that Woodrow Wilsonian, a government of experts kind of thing.
1:57:27
Speaker 1: Just let us tell you how it is, and then
1:57:30
Speaker 1: you just listen to us and just don't deny anything
1:57:33
Speaker 1: we tell you. And we find out we're being lied
1:57:35
Speaker 1: to all the time.
1:57:38
Speaker 16: And Fauci was the poster boy for that. Really, and
1:57:42
Speaker 16: for a government, well think about this, Brian, for a
1:57:45
Speaker 16: government to have the supposed right to inject something into
1:57:50
Speaker 16: your body, I mean, there's nothing more invasive than that
1:57:55
Speaker 16: and to give government the right to do that is
1:57:59
Speaker 16: antidemocratic really, and when you don't question what they're doing,
1:58:04
Speaker 16: that's very anti democratic.
1:58:06
Speaker 1: Well, I fascinating reality we're living with here. Do you
1:58:10
Speaker 1: think we are all actually collectively waking up to this?
1:58:13
Speaker 1: Do you think we're going to have some movement back
1:58:15
Speaker 1: toward these fundamental liberties that we shouldn't take for granted,
1:58:19
Speaker 1: that based upon all the lies that we now perceive,
1:58:22
Speaker 1: and thanks in large part to the Internet, that these
1:58:24
Speaker 1: alternative voices and these realities can actually be brought to
1:58:27
Speaker 1: the American people, that there's going to be maybe a
1:58:29
Speaker 1: renaissance of that type of attitude.
1:58:32
Speaker 16: No, and think about your show, think about what you know.
1:58:35
Speaker 16: I attributed to Rush Limbaugh what he started as an
1:58:39
Speaker 16: independent voice that became national and alternative.
1:58:43
Speaker 1: And proved to be right.
1:58:45
Speaker 16: And so this decentralization of power I hope continues. My
1:58:51
Speaker 16: books illustrate how and why our government was created as
1:58:55
Speaker 16: a diffused power base. So you have states, localities, and
1:58:59
Speaker 16: then the fit government. Shadows of the Acropolis chronicles the
1:59:02
Speaker 16: last hundred years, and how power from Woodrow Wilson very
1:59:06
Speaker 16: true concentrated in Washington, d C. Contrary to our constitutional principles.
1:59:12
Speaker 16: And so I'm hoping that after that century now we
1:59:16
Speaker 16: look at government and and all these discoveries of Elon
1:59:19
Speaker 16: Musk about how much money has been wasted, how it's
1:59:22
Speaker 16: been how it all happens to end up, my gosh,
1:59:26
Speaker 16: in Democrat hands.
1:59:27
Speaker 15: That's really funny, isn't it.
1:59:30
Speaker 16: How you know, this cronyism, this this grifter mentality that
1:59:36
Speaker 16: you know, issued from the Clinton's on down when the
1:59:38
Speaker 16: Democratic Party, I think when people see this and with
1:59:43
Speaker 16: the vaccine and all these sorts of things, you know,
1:59:45
Speaker 16: government can be wrong, and in fact, government can be dangerous.
1:59:50
Speaker 16: And when people wake up to that, they'll wake up
1:59:52
Speaker 16: to the idea we must shrink the size of the
1:59:54
Speaker 16: federal government. We must, you know, put barriers to its
1:59:58
Speaker 16: ability to invade our lives.
2:00:00
Speaker 1: Amen to that make up just a bunch of intriguing
2:00:04
Speaker 1: and wonderful observations and shadow of the shadows of the acropolis.
2:00:07
Speaker 1: I guess I wonder you talk about division that exists.
2:00:10
Speaker 1: You wonder why the nation feels so politically divided. There
2:00:13
Speaker 1: is a constant stirring of the pot of division that
2:00:16
Speaker 1: has just become so pronounced over the past fifteen twenty years.
2:00:20
Speaker 1: At every turn, you can't have an opinion about someone
2:00:23
Speaker 1: screaming at you that you are wrong. It doesn't matter
2:00:26
Speaker 1: how infintestinally small any given subject matter is. You're not
2:00:30
Speaker 1: entitled to speak your mind. The loudest voice in the room,
2:00:33
Speaker 1: perhaps even the smallest group of people that abide by
2:00:36
Speaker 1: some particular message like that a man can be a woman,
2:00:39
Speaker 1: ends up becoming the dominant narrative in a conversation, which
2:00:42
Speaker 1: is flies in the face of logic and reason.
2:00:45
Speaker 16: Yes, but they had such control Brian of the media
2:00:50
Speaker 16: and used it and for decades again. And you know,
2:00:55
Speaker 16: it's like someone on the mount preaching to you and
2:00:59
Speaker 16: telling you that what is right is wrong and what
2:01:02
Speaker 16: is wrong is right, and then demanding that you believe it.
2:01:05
Speaker 16: And this is really where I think the Democrat Party
2:01:08
Speaker 16: went too far. They think they can literally do this
2:01:11
Speaker 16: in America, where you do have an alternative media, and
2:01:15
Speaker 16: we're the first Bill of Rights, the first Amendment of
2:01:18
Speaker 16: the Bill of Rights guarantees free speech. So you cannot
2:01:22
Speaker 16: be un American and say you can't speak.
2:01:25
Speaker 1: And isn't that really what that whole anti disinformation campaign
2:01:29
Speaker 1: was about. They only wanted one narrative, the one that
2:01:32
Speaker 1: they said was the appropriate information. Again, going back to
2:01:35
Speaker 1: Fauci or this nonsensical green religion that we've been it's
2:01:39
Speaker 1: been forced down our throats in spite of the objective
2:01:42
Speaker 1: information and scientific evidence that it's nonsense. You know, carbon
2:01:45
Speaker 1: dioxide's plant food, for God's sake, Well it is.
2:01:49
Speaker 16: It's a large part of the atmosphere. But think about
2:01:52
Speaker 16: the scheme. If the temperature is fifty one degrees, we
2:01:56
Speaker 16: can tax you. If it's ninety two degrees, we can
2:01:59
Speaker 16: tax you. It's a real engine for money making. And
2:02:04
Speaker 16: where's all the money going the money? We have a
2:02:07
Speaker 16: virtuous private economy right large, and it's private ownership and
2:02:11
Speaker 16: it's private enterprise, and we've allowed this centralized government for
2:02:15
Speaker 16: a century to grow up on top of it as
2:02:18
Speaker 16: a parasitic organism that takes all the fruits of all
2:02:22
Speaker 16: those labors into itself and distributes that money to its
2:02:26
Speaker 16: friends and fellow politicians. And that's what you see when
2:02:31
Speaker 16: you see the EPA giving out twenty billion dollars to
2:02:35
Speaker 16: eight recipients, one of whom is giving five billion dollars
2:02:39
Speaker 16: back to his former employer.
2:02:41
Speaker 1: Well, who do you think that is?
2:02:43
Speaker 5: I think it's his friend, isn't it.
2:02:44
Speaker 16: Yes, We're giving two billion dollars to Stacy Abrams and
2:02:48
Speaker 16: then she's funneling it through five other different entities in
2:02:51
Speaker 16: this web of corruption. And I really applaud that Elon
2:02:56
Speaker 16: Musk is going to go after this. I want the
2:02:58
Speaker 16: Justice Department and the Treasury to find out where every
2:03:02
Speaker 16: dime is going, Amen, and illustrate it on shows like
2:03:06
Speaker 16: your own, so that people know, my god, they're taking
2:03:09
Speaker 16: this money and doing what with it. They're giving it
2:03:12
Speaker 16: to their friends and their kids and other Democrats.
2:03:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, the eight eight million or ten million or twenty
2:03:18
Speaker 1: million dollars that went to Zimbabwe or whatever for male
2:03:20
Speaker 1: circumcisions didn't actually, it didn't make it nobody right. It
2:03:26
Speaker 1: ended up back in Washington with lobbying groups that ended
2:03:28
Speaker 1: up put it back in the pockets of politicians for
2:03:30
Speaker 1: their re election campaign. And isn't that part of the problem.
2:03:34
Speaker 1: We as Americans tend to select some pretty awful people
2:03:38
Speaker 1: as our representatives. We need to wake up to that
2:03:40
Speaker 1: and find better people. Yeah, agreed, there ought to be.
2:03:46
Speaker 5: There ought to be.
2:03:47
Speaker 1: You know, the people are.
2:03:48
Speaker 5: Their own vetting.
2:03:49
Speaker 16: They are the vetting process, and they should really listen
2:03:54
Speaker 16: to what politicians are saying and not just say, well,
2:03:57
Speaker 16: they have a D by their name, so I'm voting
2:03:59
Speaker 16: for them, an R by their name, so I'm voting
2:04:01
Speaker 16: for them. You're right, some of these people are not
2:04:05
Speaker 16: qualified and really don't think in the people's best interest.
2:04:08
Speaker 16: They're looking for a job they can hold for thirty years, yeah,
2:04:12
Speaker 16: and get paid.
2:04:13
Speaker 1: You know, Richly, guys like representatives who think Guam can
2:04:17
Speaker 1: capsize if you put another building on it. I mean,
2:04:21
Speaker 1: you know, Richard Richard Lions, the author of the two
2:04:28
Speaker 1: books we're talking about today, The DNA of Democracy and
2:04:32
Speaker 1: Shadows of the Acropulus, Volume two. It's been a great conversation.
2:04:37
Speaker 1: I really enjoy it, Richard. I know my listeners are
2:04:39
Speaker 1: going to love to get the books, and we'll make
2:04:41
Speaker 1: it really easy for him by putting a link on
2:04:42
Speaker 1: my blog page at fifty five KRC dot com. Keep
2:04:45
Speaker 1: up the great work. It's been a real pleasure, man.
2:04:47
Speaker 1: I wish we had more time to talk, but thanks
2:04:50
Speaker 1: for spending time. They take thirty Here fifty five KRCD
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Speaker 1: Talk Station are very happy Monday to you. Continuing a
2:04:56
Speaker 1: theme of late here in the fifty five KRC Morning Show.
2:04:58
Speaker 1: We heard from doctor James as well as doctor Robert
2:05:01
Speaker 1: Malone about their experiences speaking truth to power during COVID nineteen,
2:05:06
Speaker 1: had their licenses pulled, they were attacked. Welcome to the
2:05:08
Speaker 1: fifty five KCY Morning Show. Scott Miller, Doctor Scott Miller,
2:05:11
Speaker 1: author of The Most Dangerous Man in Washington. That's Washington State, right, doctor, Yeah, I'm.
2:05:18
Speaker 6: A position to thing. Yes, it was Washington State.
2:05:21
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, okay. Now, you watched this whole COVID thing
2:05:25
Speaker 1: unfold and a lot of doctors being you know, diagnosticians
2:05:28
Speaker 1: or medical practitioners being diagnosticians kind of saw through the
2:05:32
Speaker 1: fog that we were presented. It was a one sided narrative.
2:05:35
Speaker 1: You couldn't you couldn't say anything against what doctor Fauci uttered.
2:05:38
Speaker 1: It was like God or something, the word of God.
2:05:41
Speaker 1: So you can't dare question it. But a lot of
2:05:44
Speaker 1: people did and they suffer the consequences. Can you explain
2:05:47
Speaker 1: to my listening audiences, you know, obviously in brief because
2:05:49
Speaker 1: they're gonna want to read the book in detail, but
2:05:51
Speaker 1: what happened to you and what were you doing that
2:05:55
Speaker 1: flew in the face of this this narrative that we
2:05:57
Speaker 1: were being sold.
2:05:59
Speaker 6: Yeah, first of all, the thing is almost no ended
2:06:02
Speaker 6: if you look at one point two million practitioners in
2:06:07
Speaker 6: the United States. The fact that doctor Malone, uh pure core,
2:06:12
Speaker 6: doctor Cory, doctor Merrick, doctor mccauff, doctor Cole. We we
2:06:17
Speaker 6: know their names because there's so few. I was the
2:06:20
Speaker 6: only one in the state of Washington that was speaking out,
2:06:24
Speaker 6: like actively speaking out because the consequences of doing it
2:06:29
Speaker 6: were so high. So there's there's so few of us
2:06:33
Speaker 6: that we all know each other's names, which is which
2:06:36
Speaker 6: is really sad. But yeah, I I had a a
2:06:42
Speaker 6: I was a single owner, single provider of a pediatric
2:06:44
Speaker 6: medical practice. And you know, there are two things that
2:06:48
Speaker 6: hit really early on when in March of twenty twenty,
2:06:52
Speaker 6: when Fauci and when Anthony Fauci and doctor Deborah Burks
2:06:55
Speaker 6: were saying there's no treatment that didn't make any sense,
2:06:59
Speaker 6: there's or there's nothing you can do except for being afraid,
2:07:03
Speaker 6: stay inside and don't have grandma. And then the whole
2:07:09
Speaker 6: push when we were told that we can't you know,
2:07:13
Speaker 6: we can't go to birthday parties or concerts until seven
2:07:16
Speaker 6: billion people are vaccinated and then im mediate you know
2:07:22
Speaker 6: that that should make all of us afraid of what
2:07:25
Speaker 6: the agenda was. So what was happening for me was
2:07:29
Speaker 6: I was seeing the initially the damage, the psychological and
2:07:33
Speaker 6: emotional damage that was happening to children when schools shut
2:07:38
Speaker 6: down and they were home and isolated, and this whole
2:07:41
Speaker 6: inculcation of fear that they were rocking vectors of death.
2:07:46
Speaker 6: And I started speaking out and I ended up being
2:07:50
Speaker 6: asked to speak at at a rally at our state
2:07:53
Speaker 6: capitol and in May of twenty twenty. And after that,
2:07:58
Speaker 6: thing's the government, the state, you know, kind of put
2:08:02
Speaker 6: a target on me, and so they started they started
2:08:05
Speaker 6: coming after me.
2:08:07
Speaker 1: Now, were any of your patients harmed based upon your
2:08:10
Speaker 1: alternative treatments? I understand you had some breathing therapies and others.
2:08:14
Speaker 1: You know, your observations on the front line in treating
2:08:17
Speaker 1: patients obviously brought to your attention that no, there are
2:08:21
Speaker 1: ways around this, There are treatments available. The children are
2:08:24
Speaker 1: not dropping dead as a consequence of getting COVID, right,
2:08:27
Speaker 1: I mean, you can see this in your practice every
2:08:29
Speaker 1: single day, which goes against the narrative being sold. Didn't
2:08:32
Speaker 1: other I guess since other practitioners were following lockstep and
2:08:36
Speaker 1: not providing alternative therapies as options. Maybe they didn't see
2:08:39
Speaker 1: it well.
2:08:42
Speaker 6: They nobody was doing impatient. So on March nineteen, twenty twenty,
2:08:48
Speaker 6: everything went to went to telemedicine. I just I never
2:08:52
Speaker 6: closed my practice, so I was happy and kids were unaffected.
2:08:55
Speaker 6: If a family, you know, mom and dad had COVID
2:08:59
Speaker 6: and they were acutely ill, if the kids had very
2:09:01
Speaker 6: mild symptoms, and if they were if they had pre
2:09:04
Speaker 6: existing congitions, if they were asthmatic, I would use breathing treatments.
2:09:08
Speaker 6: I'd give them a dose of ibermactin breathing treatments and
2:09:10
Speaker 6: they were better in a day or two. I mean
2:09:11
Speaker 6: it virtually unaffected children. But you know the problem is
2:09:17
Speaker 6: if you're not if you're not seeing people in practice,
2:09:19
Speaker 6: or if you're told there's no treatment, how are you
2:09:23
Speaker 6: And so you just followed that that kind of like
2:09:27
Speaker 6: lock steps followed that, How are you going to know
2:09:29
Speaker 6: if you're not experimenting, if you're not you know, practicing medicine,
2:09:33
Speaker 6: you're not going to know. You know, I would walk
2:09:35
Speaker 6: in the homes of somebody that was sent you know,
2:09:38
Speaker 6: like an elderly person sent homes in the hospital, and
2:09:41
Speaker 6: I'd walk into their home and they were in acute
2:09:43
Speaker 6: respiratory failure, and within thirty minutes I could get their
2:09:47
Speaker 6: oxygen from seventy five percent on room air up to
2:09:52
Speaker 6: ninety ninety two percent with the therapies we were using,
2:09:56
Speaker 6: which is incredible, right. I Mean, it's not like me,
2:09:58
Speaker 6: it's the science. So I'm just following the science of
2:10:01
Speaker 6: you know, how do we how do we mitigate the
2:10:04
Speaker 6: inflammatory damage that's going on? And it was for on
2:10:07
Speaker 6: ten purposes. It was pretty easy.
2:10:10
Speaker 1: So in these therapies, you didn't invent them as a
2:10:12
Speaker 1: consequence of COVID nineteen. If you have a respiratory patient
2:10:15
Speaker 1: part of COVID nineteen, these therapies were out there and
2:10:18
Speaker 1: known to the medical community, were they not.
2:10:20
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, My father in law is an er doctor,
2:10:23
Speaker 6: and I was talking to them, like, how come the
2:10:26
Speaker 6: hospitals aren't using these? Yeah, and the primary things, especially
2:10:30
Speaker 6: early on, this is the crazy thing. We don't want
2:10:33
Speaker 6: to nebulize COVID. That was their thing with nebulizing. I'm like,
2:10:36
Speaker 6: that doesn't make any sense. It's the dumbest thing I've
2:10:38
Speaker 6: ever heard, Right, It's like, I don't want to nebulize influenza.
2:10:41
Speaker 6: I don't want to nebulize pneumonia. You know, you need
2:10:44
Speaker 6: to treat the lungs. And they didn't because part of
2:10:46
Speaker 6: the problem was HHS. When when these patients would come
2:10:50
Speaker 6: in and they were diagnosed with COVID pneumonia, they couldn't
2:10:54
Speaker 6: for them to get full payout using remdesiders of monotherapy.
2:10:58
Speaker 6: They couldn't treat with anything else, and they would get,
2:11:02
Speaker 6: you know, like a twenty percent extra payout in using
2:11:05
Speaker 6: Brendserbier's a monotherapy, and then they got it. I mean
2:11:08
Speaker 6: I just went through hospital records of a woman last
2:11:11
Speaker 6: night who had died and the shoes in the shoes
2:11:14
Speaker 6: in the hospital for ten days, and it paid out
2:11:16
Speaker 6: two hundred and ninety thousand dollars. I mean, that's a
2:11:18
Speaker 6: great model. That's a great business model. You know, like
2:11:22
Speaker 6: people living didn't pay out, people dying paid out. It
2:11:26
Speaker 6: was shocking the billions and billions of dollars hospitals made
2:11:32
Speaker 6: on people dying, and.
2:11:33
Speaker 1: So the hospital systems would pressure the doctors for this
2:11:36
Speaker 1: one size fits all money making quote unquote therapy or
2:11:41
Speaker 1: treatment methodology to the exclusion of other things which clearly
2:11:43
Speaker 1: would have worked, thus forcing the doctors to violate their
2:11:46
Speaker 1: hippocratic oath. I mean, this is they.
2:11:49
Speaker 6: Really don't I don't even know that they forced them.
2:11:52
Speaker 6: The doctors. You know when you when you're indoctrinated into
2:11:56
Speaker 6: double blind randomized trials and they run they were something
2:12:02
Speaker 6: called the Recovery Study where they did different trials with
2:12:05
Speaker 6: different steroids, and they came up with this steroid called
2:12:09
Speaker 6: dexonthi zone being the only thing that worked. Nothing else worked,
2:12:14
Speaker 6: And so it was adopted in every hospital in every city,
2:12:18
Speaker 6: in every state across the country. And every I did
2:12:22
Speaker 6: hospital advocacy, I'd be asked to help get people out
2:12:25
Speaker 6: of hoss, out of the ic you in all over
2:12:28
Speaker 6: the country in every single phone call, and I probably
2:12:30
Speaker 6: spent I've spent over fifteen hundred hours talking to hospitals
2:12:35
Speaker 6: and getting getting getting people out of the ICU or
2:12:38
Speaker 6: off ventilators. And it's really not It's sadly, it's really
2:12:42
Speaker 6: not that hard if you can convince the doctors to move.
2:12:46
Speaker 4: Outside of that checklist.
2:12:47
Speaker 6: That they had from the CDC. But they were just
2:12:50
Speaker 6: following orders. It wasn't even necessarily pressured. They were just
2:12:53
Speaker 6: told this is what works, and they're like, okay, here's
2:12:56
Speaker 6: the study, this is what we do it. It was
2:12:59
Speaker 6: like every provider in the hostel it became Lemmings.
2:13:02
Speaker 4: It was.
2:13:03
Speaker 12: It was shocking.
2:13:04
Speaker 6: It was it was like the news where you see
2:13:06
Speaker 6: the same thing disseminated across these different platforms. It was
2:13:09
Speaker 6: the same exact thing. Every doctor I talked to regurgitated
2:13:13
Speaker 6: the same exact line. Well, we just don't have enough data,
2:13:17
Speaker 6: and we're using we're using the best you know, data
2:13:20
Speaker 6: and best science that we had at this time. That
2:13:23
Speaker 6: was it was almost verbata in every hospital.
2:13:26
Speaker 1: Were there not other studies out there which prove that
2:13:29
Speaker 1: to be well contrary to the truth that know, there
2:13:32
Speaker 1: are alternatives. I mean you mentioned i remett and that
2:13:34
Speaker 1: was labeled as oh my god, a horse d wormer.
2:13:37
Speaker 1: That's insane. You can't go using that. And in fact
2:13:39
Speaker 1: I have been used for decades apparently zero side effects
2:13:43
Speaker 1: and no harm. It is worthy of an effort to
2:13:46
Speaker 1: try it out again. Going as a diagnostician looking for
2:13:49
Speaker 1: the best possible outcome for your patients, you should have
2:13:51
Speaker 1: been in a position to be able to at least
2:13:53
Speaker 1: try that. Pharmacies were told they couldn't even issue a
2:13:56
Speaker 1: prescription for it.
2:13:58
Speaker 6: Yeah, so It was July or August of twenty twenty
2:14:02
Speaker 6: one where the pharmacy boards came down on the pharma.
2:14:05
Speaker 6: They put out basically kind of like HHS with the hostels.
2:14:09
Speaker 6: They put out this blanket statement that pharmacists are not
2:14:12
Speaker 6: allowed to prescribe bybermectin if it's suspected to treat COVID,
2:14:18
Speaker 6: which which I ended up buying the equivalent to the
2:14:22
Speaker 6: small pharmacy so that I could give it out to
2:14:25
Speaker 6: people in conjunction with other therapies, because you know, by
2:14:30
Speaker 6: delta ibermectin alone, it wasn't a monotherapy to make it
2:14:33
Speaker 6: go away. Once the shots rolled out, people got sicker
2:14:37
Speaker 6: and sicker and sicker, and it became much more difficult
2:14:40
Speaker 6: to treat. But yeah, it was. It's you know, I
2:14:44
Speaker 6: go through it in the book, just my experience of
2:14:48
Speaker 6: what I was seeing and how we were able to,
2:14:52
Speaker 6: you know, anecdotal something that we used to we used
2:14:55
Speaker 6: to care about, Like if you have five hundred patients
2:14:59
Speaker 6: and you use these therapies and their symptoms went away,
2:15:02
Speaker 6: you'd be like, hmm, maybe maybe that's the thing. Yeah,
2:15:05
Speaker 6: maybe we're onto something. The hospitals it literally didn't matter.
2:15:10
Speaker 6: They it was it was so difficult to move the
2:15:13
Speaker 6: needle and getting doctors to modify their treatments. They would
2:15:16
Speaker 6: they would put somebody that declined mechanical ventilation, they would
2:15:20
Speaker 6: put them on comfort care. I mean they would they
2:15:23
Speaker 6: would literally help assist in their death instead of trying
2:15:27
Speaker 6: to literally I mean I had that happen. I mean
2:15:29
Speaker 6: I was on the phone as a daughter is laying
2:15:33
Speaker 6: over her mom as their administering meditations to kill her
2:15:36
Speaker 6: mom instead of treating her.
2:15:38
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And ultimately, this is a money thing.
2:15:41
Speaker 1: Ive remeced in generic. It's cheap, it doesn't cost much
2:15:44
Speaker 1: manufacturer at least to pay for a pharmaceutical like a
2:15:47
Speaker 1: brand new COVID vaccine is worth a lot of money
2:15:51
Speaker 1: to the manufacturer. And certainly when you're when you're issuing
2:15:54
Speaker 1: it under emergency use authorization and you're free from liability
2:15:57
Speaker 1: associated with the dangers inherent in it, you're obviously going
2:16:01
Speaker 1: to have an incentive to push it. So it really
2:16:04
Speaker 1: is it to you? Does this boil down to money?
2:16:06
Speaker 1: Is that what this was all about?
2:16:10
Speaker 4: Control?
2:16:12
Speaker 1: Money and control?
2:16:13
Speaker 6: There's money, but it's control. If you look at if
2:16:16
Speaker 6: you look at how they were able to I mean
2:16:18
Speaker 6: I looked at it as kind of a you know,
2:16:20
Speaker 6: a phase one systems test to see how they could
2:16:24
Speaker 6: manipulate an entire country to you know, moms and dads
2:16:30
Speaker 6: that own small businesses that are told they're non essential,
2:16:33
Speaker 6: like that word alone. Yet there's a liquor store that's open.
2:16:36
Speaker 6: When you look at how they were able to manipulate
2:16:38
Speaker 6: and control us, and they did it. I mean I
2:16:41
Speaker 6: watched it happening in real time, and it's one of
2:16:43
Speaker 6: the reasons I went and spoke at the Capital trying
2:16:46
Speaker 6: to encourage people not just about the you know, the
2:16:51
Speaker 6: bioweapon that was released, but like our fundamental freedoms and rights.
2:16:57
Speaker 6: And it was like, don't stand up. I mean kids,
2:17:01
Speaker 6: you know, kids not able to go to the park
2:17:03
Speaker 6: or play with their friends. Well, we're told, you know,
2:17:05
Speaker 6: we were told we're not able to.
2:17:07
Speaker 12: And my whole goal.
2:17:08
Speaker 6: Is to try and try and disseminate truth and you know,
2:17:12
Speaker 6: wake up my community to aggressively resist this narrative that
2:17:17
Speaker 6: was happening. And the problem is it's still happening in
2:17:20
Speaker 6: every hospital. I was on the phone with the hospital
2:17:25
Speaker 6: last night until two in the morning, and fortunately beyond
2:17:28
Speaker 6: call doctor actually listened and we're able to adjust to
2:17:31
Speaker 6: a number of therapies. But it's the same thing. Nothing's
2:17:34
Speaker 6: changed in the hospitals, apart from now being able to
2:17:37
Speaker 6: go in and be with your loved one, but they're
2:17:39
Speaker 6: still doing the exact same things.
2:17:41
Speaker 1: Yes, right using Scott right here in the city Sincinnati,
2:17:45
Speaker 1: very famous hospital, it's really well respected. Children since my
2:17:48
Speaker 1: children's hospital refused a heart transplant because the child or
2:17:53
Speaker 1: the parents of the child would not allow her to
2:17:55
Speaker 1: get a COVID nineteen vaccine for religious reasons. And you
2:17:59
Speaker 1: got to scratch your head in one since a COVID
2:18:00
Speaker 1: nineteen vactor, since children really don't succumb to the disease anyway,
2:18:03
Speaker 1: and COVID nineteen vaccine apparently causes heart problems at least,
2:18:06
Speaker 1: it's been a lot of information demonstrating that it seems counterintuitive,
2:18:10
Speaker 1: but there you have it, denying that patient a chance
2:18:12
Speaker 1: at life because of one vaccine.
2:18:15
Speaker 6: Well, and the other thing, which is it's not just sad,
2:18:18
Speaker 6: it's criminal, and the fact that they had to get
2:18:21
Speaker 6: a religious exemption because they couldn't find the doctor to
2:18:25
Speaker 6: give them a medical exemption, because if they granted them
2:18:28
Speaker 6: a medical exemption, they would come under scrutiny of.
2:18:31
Speaker 1: The state well, and they didn't acknowledge the religious exemption.
2:18:37
Speaker 1: As of right now, as it stands, she's not getting
2:18:38
Speaker 1: the heart transplant unless there's information out there that I'm
2:18:41
Speaker 1: not aware of. Scott Miller, the most dangerous man in Washington.
2:18:45
Speaker 1: The name of the book, Scott. We got your book
2:18:47
Speaker 1: on my blog page at fifty five cares dot com
2:18:49
Speaker 1: with the link where people can get it, and I
2:18:50
Speaker 1: will strongly encourage them to do so. Everybody loves it.
2:18:53
Speaker 1: You've got five star rating across the board on Amazon,
2:18:57
Speaker 1: so congratulations on that and thank you from the bottom
2:19:00
Speaker 1: my heart and everyone else's your stroke. You spoke truth
2:19:03
Speaker 1: to power. You suffered the consequences of it, but you've
2:19:05
Speaker 1: been vindicated, my friend, and that's got to feel good. Scott.
2:19:09
Speaker 1: It's been a real pleasure having you on the program
2:19:10
Speaker 1: today and thanks for all that you have done and
2:19:12
Speaker 1: continue to do. It is eight oh five right now,
2:19:18
Speaker 1: fifty five CARSD Talk Station, A very happy Wednesday to you.
2:19:21
Speaker 1: I've been looking forward to this all morning. I am
2:19:23
Speaker 1: pleased to welcome to the fifty five Carsee Morning Show.
2:19:25
Speaker 1: One of the January sixth defendant spent quite some time,
2:19:28
Speaker 1: quite a bit of time in jail, and he's now
2:19:30
Speaker 1: the executive director of two different groups we're going to
2:19:32
Speaker 1: be learning about today, Stand the Gap and the Real
2:19:35
Speaker 1: Jay six. Shane Jenkins, Welcome to the fifty five KRSEE
2:19:38
Speaker 1: Morning Show. It's a real pleasure to have you on.
2:19:41
Speaker 13: Thank you so much. It's honor to be here with
2:19:43
Speaker 13: you this morning.
2:19:44
Speaker 1: Well, and I'm bringing your biography. Man, You've got a
2:19:46
Speaker 1: hell of a story to tell. You have lived a
2:19:48
Speaker 1: rather transformative life and one of redemption as well. Just
2:19:52
Speaker 1: give my listeners a little bit of background about your
2:19:54
Speaker 1: early childhood and into the teenage years before you well
2:19:58
Speaker 1: woke up and discovered a higher power.
2:20:02
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, When I was twelve or thirteen years old.
2:20:04
Speaker 13: I found out I was adopted, and I had a
2:20:07
Speaker 13: really adverse reaction to that. I had what I would
2:20:10
Speaker 13: call an identity crisis at a very young age, and
2:20:13
Speaker 13: I set out to create what I thought the persona
2:20:16
Speaker 13: of this man that I thought Saint Jenkins was a lie.
2:20:19
Speaker 13: Honestly and so I said, as an immature young boy,
2:20:23
Speaker 13: started to create what I thought a man was, which
2:20:25
Speaker 13: was an angry, violent people, somebody that people feared or
2:20:29
Speaker 13: respected in the wrong ways, which led me down a
2:20:33
Speaker 13: very dark path. I turned away from school and sports
2:20:36
Speaker 13: and my family, and you know, I began to look
2:20:38
Speaker 13: at my biological family is like I wondered what was
2:20:42
Speaker 13: so wrong with me that they didn't want me right
2:20:44
Speaker 13: my own mom could throw me away, and so I
2:20:47
Speaker 13: was a very wounded young man turned to the streets,
2:20:50
Speaker 13: you know, and ended up in jail by the age
2:20:52
Speaker 13: of sixteen till age nineteen. Watched my friends shoot and
2:20:57
Speaker 13: kill a guy shoot two other people when I was
2:20:59
Speaker 13: in the car with them, and so I went down
2:21:03
Speaker 13: in Texas as a laws of accessory if I had
2:21:07
Speaker 13: full the trigger, and so I did three years for
2:21:09
Speaker 13: that got out when I was nineteen. My mom married
2:21:12
Speaker 13: this violent and alcoholic, drug addic, abusive man, and he
2:21:16
Speaker 13: went to jail twice.
2:21:17
Speaker 5: To beat my mom.
2:21:19
Speaker 13: At the age of twenty, I shot shot and killed
2:21:22
Speaker 13: him in self defense. And so here I was sixteen,
2:21:26
Speaker 13: whilst my friends killed, I got a few to other people,
2:21:28
Speaker 13: and at the age of twenty killed my stepfather and
2:21:30
Speaker 13: self defense was acquitted by a grand jury, no charges.
2:21:33
Speaker 5: But still I.
2:21:33
Speaker 13: Had in my mind, we had the blood of my
2:21:36
Speaker 13: blood and blood of my stepfather's wife on my hands,
2:21:40
Speaker 13: right and so and uh, well, and so that let
2:21:44
Speaker 13: me down a very dark path. I had this guilt
2:21:46
Speaker 13: and shame from killing my stepdad, even though it was
2:21:48
Speaker 13: in self defense, even though it was in defense of
2:21:50
Speaker 13: my mom and of myself, and it just really led
2:21:54
Speaker 13: me down a dark path. Three tricks to prison as adults,
2:21:57
Speaker 13: and after my adopted mom passed away my third trip
2:22:01
Speaker 13: to adult prison, Jesus Christ met me there in a
2:22:04
Speaker 13: prison cell, thank god, and then salvaged me from busting
2:22:09
Speaker 13: the gates. The hill a lot open.
2:22:11
Speaker 1: So since you, you know, achieved this enlightenment and this
2:22:15
Speaker 1: awakening through Christianity, obviously changed your life for the better,
2:22:19
Speaker 1: and you've been running a straight and narrow path ever since,
2:22:21
Speaker 1: I presume.
2:22:24
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, other than the buffer the road that we
2:22:26
Speaker 4: called Anywuary six.
2:22:28
Speaker 1: We're going to get to that, and that, of course
2:22:30
Speaker 1: is a nice segue to talk about that. So you're
2:22:32
Speaker 1: in the Capitol.
2:22:33
Speaker 5: Now?
2:22:34
Speaker 1: What what led you to be at the Capitol on
2:22:36
Speaker 1: January sixth, ultimately leading to your arrest and imprisonment?
2:22:39
Speaker 13: All right, Well, like I had, like I said, I
2:22:41
Speaker 13: had been in out of trouble a lot of my
2:22:43
Speaker 13: life criminally and the twenty nineteen I got off roll,
2:22:48
Speaker 13: had given my life to Christ in twenty sixteen, and
2:22:50
Speaker 13: so my politics sprang from my faith. Right, I've started
2:22:54
Speaker 13: the value life and all these things and gave my
2:22:57
Speaker 13: life to Christ again in twenty sixteen. And this started
2:22:59
Speaker 13: watching the persecuton and President Trump, and so I finally
2:23:03
Speaker 13: wanted to vote in the twenty twenty election. Voted early
2:23:06
Speaker 13: in Texas, then watched the election election night, which I
2:23:10
Speaker 13: had a lot of questions about the twenty and twenty elections.
2:23:13
Speaker 13: Still do manipulated the election at bess stolen at worst
2:23:17
Speaker 13: is what I would say, you know. President Trump sent
2:23:20
Speaker 13: out the tweet said come to d C, joined the
2:23:22
Speaker 13: Stop of Steel rally will be wild in all caps.
2:23:25
Speaker 13: And I had never been to d C, never been
2:23:28
Speaker 13: to a Trump rally. Wanted to go protests and request
2:23:32
Speaker 13: that they send the electors back to the states so
2:23:35
Speaker 13: they could do an investigation in these states that were
2:23:37
Speaker 13: won by very small margins. And so I went and
2:23:41
Speaker 13: got and got drugged up into the crowd, and so
2:23:45
Speaker 13: the melee was watching people be assaulted, was assaulted myself
2:23:49
Speaker 13: found out actually about it. Was murdered inside the Capitol
2:23:52
Speaker 13: while I was there on the lower West Airace.
2:23:54
Speaker 4: And.
2:23:56
Speaker 1: You know, it was a lot, and ultimately you were charged.
2:24:01
Speaker 1: What led to the charges I see was eight phlonies
2:24:03
Speaker 1: and one misdemeanor. And this in connection with your activities
2:24:07
Speaker 1: in the Capitol on January sixth. What did they say
2:24:09
Speaker 1: you did?
2:24:11
Speaker 13: They said, they said that I assaulted police officers, which
2:24:14
Speaker 13: after watching people be assaulted for no reason, being assaulted
2:24:18
Speaker 13: myself for taking no action against police officers finding out
2:24:22
Speaker 13: they had shot and killed somebody inside the capital, on
2:24:25
Speaker 13: top of feeling like they were stealing an election, covering
2:24:29
Speaker 13: up the steel of an election, I finally lost my
2:24:31
Speaker 13: tool and I did. I did throw sticks what you
2:24:34
Speaker 13: would say like flag sticks, a broken piece of a crutch,
2:24:38
Speaker 13: a death drawer. I did so those items at fully
2:24:41
Speaker 13: riot geared, armored, helmeted shield police officers. And I'm accountable
2:24:47
Speaker 13: for that.
2:24:48
Speaker 1: I understand, and I appreciate you but willingness to omit
2:24:51
Speaker 1: your accountability, but you know, you have to observe, and
2:24:54
Speaker 1: I observe, and I can't forgive violence against police officers,
2:24:58
Speaker 1: and this is why they end up taking it to
2:25:00
Speaker 1: But you know, this is really an illustration of selective
2:25:04
Speaker 1: prosecution because a lot of those BLM and anti file
2:25:08
Speaker 1: folks were out in the streets throwing bombs, fireworks that
2:25:11
Speaker 1: exploded at police officers, throwing frozen water bottles and other
2:25:15
Speaker 1: articles similar to what you threw at police officers. I
2:25:17
Speaker 1: don't recall a mass round up and prosecution of any
2:25:20
Speaker 1: of those folks. Do you recall them an each chain?
2:25:23
Speaker 5: No, not at all.
2:25:24
Speaker 4: And I will say this Rose another woman died fifteen
2:25:27
Speaker 4: feet from me on the Lower West sair series Roseanne Boiling.
2:25:31
Speaker 4: And then not only that, but when they came and
2:25:33
Speaker 4: raided my house here in Houston, they sent the head
2:25:36
Speaker 4: of the Joint Terrorism Task Force from the FBI to
2:25:39
Speaker 4: raid my house along with Houston Squat. They also labeled
2:25:42
Speaker 4: me a Tier one anti government extremists whenever at worst
2:25:47
Speaker 4: I threw Dick's, got caught up in the heat of
2:25:50
Speaker 4: the moment and threw sticks of police, but that they
2:25:52
Speaker 4: determined that I wanted to overtow the government by those actions.
2:25:55
Speaker 13: And was a terrorist.
2:25:57
Speaker 5: Well, India is absolutely ridiculous.
2:25:59
Speaker 1: And based your your your prior criminal background, which you
2:26:02
Speaker 1: obviously admitted and admit regularly in your in the context
2:26:05
Speaker 1: of your your transformation and your enlightenment that was not
2:26:08
Speaker 1: related to political activity.
2:26:10
Speaker 5: Was it. No, not at all, not at all.
2:26:13
Speaker 1: So okay, So you go through the trial and of
2:26:17
Speaker 1: course I'm sure there was a biased jury there given
2:26:19
Speaker 1: the location of the venue your You're found guilty at trial,
2:26:23
Speaker 1: so they sentence you to what was your sentence.
2:26:28
Speaker 13: Eighty six months, which is seven years?
2:26:31
Speaker 1: Seven years? Okay. It seems excessive in the light of
2:26:35
Speaker 1: the modern criminal process we have today, where everyone gets
2:26:38
Speaker 1: off for almost murder. That's more more time than people
2:26:40
Speaker 1: that commit murder get And you were in not you
2:26:43
Speaker 1: were in nine prisons as well as what they call
2:26:46
Speaker 1: the DC gulog. How much time did you end up
2:26:48
Speaker 1: spending in prison?
2:26:50
Speaker 13: I've spent forty six and a half months or fourteen
2:26:53
Speaker 13: hundred and eighteen long days.
2:26:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, not like you were counting Shane in twenty four
2:27:01
Speaker 1: of which were pre trial. So did they deny you
2:27:04
Speaker 1: a bond hearing? Did they say no bond?
2:27:07
Speaker 15: Oh?
2:27:07
Speaker 5: Absolutely, they said no bonds.
2:27:10
Speaker 1: Now did they.
2:27:10
Speaker 13: Refer they were afraid that we were going to have
2:27:13
Speaker 13: another rally and something else was going to happen, And like,
2:27:16
Speaker 13: like I had never been in trouble for going to
2:27:18
Speaker 13: political rally and getting out of control like I was
2:27:20
Speaker 13: Antifa or something. They said, no, you're you're a threat
2:27:24
Speaker 13: to society.
2:27:25
Speaker 1: Okay, And I'm sure they brought into evidence to your
2:27:27
Speaker 1: criminal background absolutely of course unrelated to the to the
2:27:34
Speaker 1: protest against the government. All right, So what was it
2:27:37
Speaker 1: like in what we call the DC gulag Shane?
2:27:40
Speaker 13: That was absolutely horrific? I had I had, Like I said,
2:27:44
Speaker 13: I've been to many different veils of Texas and prisons
2:27:46
Speaker 13: and stuff. Never have I been denied visits with my
2:27:50
Speaker 13: family for two years. Never have I been denied religious
2:27:53
Speaker 13: services for two years. Never have I been denied haircuts
2:27:57
Speaker 13: for a year. Never have I been denied your nail
2:28:00
Speaker 13: clippers to nail clippers for a year, which is all
2:28:02
Speaker 13: things that they did at the Dcjail, not to mention,
2:28:04
Speaker 13: sent officers in to assault people, pepper stray people, throw
2:28:08
Speaker 13: us in solitary confinement for no reason. And so it
2:28:12
Speaker 13: was a you know, you throw us in this ninety
2:28:15
Speaker 13: seven percent Biden district with well I call the Rainbow Brigade.
2:28:19
Speaker 13: You had the black lesbian anybody above a regular officer
2:28:23
Speaker 13: grade was a black lesbian woman. And they hated Donald
2:28:27
Speaker 13: Trump and Trump supporters that they would spit on the
2:28:30
Speaker 13: floor at his hearing his name, and so.
2:28:32
Speaker 1: Okay, it was that that's where that treatment comes from.
2:28:36
Speaker 1: I can understand that. Yeah, bias within the prison system. Anyhow,
2:28:41
Speaker 1: Shane Jenkins, you decided you were going to do something
2:28:43
Speaker 1: about it and you were going to help out folks
2:28:45
Speaker 1: in the future while you were in jail. Tell my
2:28:47
Speaker 1: listeners about your sort of your idea behind the Real
2:28:51
Speaker 1: J six and ultimately stand the gap.
2:28:54
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, we started a nonprofit. Well, we started the
2:28:57
Speaker 4: LLC the Real j six first just to kind of
2:28:59
Speaker 4: put out newslet to sell merchandise T shirts people that
2:29:02
Speaker 4: want to support us, and to get guys' stories out.
2:29:06
Speaker 13: Then as the kind of evolved, we realized that we
2:29:08
Speaker 13: were paying taxes on that money, so we started the
2:29:10
Speaker 13: nonprofit because we also wanted to do justice reform in
2:29:13
Speaker 13: the future. In the meantime, we wanted to help January
2:29:15
Speaker 13: six ers.
2:29:16
Speaker 4: So we still sell merchandise on the Real Day six.
2:29:19
Speaker 13: But we are a nonprofit at standindegap dot Foundation and
2:29:24
Speaker 13: we are currently helping January sixth.
2:29:26
Speaker 5: Guys right now.
2:29:27
Speaker 13: We're working on credit repair and for health care because
2:29:31
Speaker 13: you know, we were kidnapped by the FBI, so everybody's
2:29:33
Speaker 13: credit was shot all.
2:29:35
Speaker 1: To nothing, bad, all bad.
2:29:38
Speaker 13: And then health care in the prison system is terrific,
2:29:42
Speaker 13: So we want to be able to fund guys going
2:29:44
Speaker 13: to the doctors, going to the dentists. And then we're
2:29:46
Speaker 13: also working on a thing called Mission Memory Maker, where
2:29:48
Speaker 13: we're fully funding a three to five day vacation with
2:29:52
Speaker 13: the January sixth defendant and their family and children, so
2:29:55
Speaker 13: they can get away for three to five days, no
2:29:58
Speaker 13: expense to them, paid for airfare, resort, paid for meals, everything.
2:30:04
Speaker 13: Because you know, the pressure is on the man right
2:30:06
Speaker 13: now for the most at I say man, and there's
2:30:08
Speaker 13: women too, but for the most part, the men to
2:30:10
Speaker 13: get back to work because the wife has been out
2:30:12
Speaker 13: there typically raising the children on a single income where
2:30:16
Speaker 13: it was typically two incomes for the last four years.
2:30:19
Speaker 13: So the pressure is on the man to get back
2:30:21
Speaker 13: to work typically. So we want to ease that burden
2:30:25
Speaker 13: and that stress and just pay for their vacation so
2:30:28
Speaker 13: they can get away and just have no worries and
2:30:31
Speaker 13: love on each other and just get back to some
2:30:34
Speaker 13: type of normalcy in their lives.
2:30:36
Speaker 1: Oh, it's a nice thing for you to do. You've
2:30:38
Speaker 1: been through the ring of yourself and you know what
2:30:39
Speaker 1: it's all about. So it's nice that you'd step up
2:30:41
Speaker 1: to the plate for the other Jay six fos. You know,
2:30:44
Speaker 1: I see other component of this is and I think
2:30:46
Speaker 1: about Ashley Babbitt, that that was not a justifiable use
2:30:50
Speaker 1: of deadly force under any circumstances. You know, I'm a lawyer.
2:30:53
Speaker 1: I know the law when it comes to use of
2:30:54
Speaker 1: deadly force. She did not represent an eminent threat to anyone.
2:31:00
Speaker 1: She was snaking through a window that had been broken out,
2:31:03
Speaker 1: and they guned her down. And I think about that,
2:31:05
Speaker 1: and it's like, how that that person has never been
2:31:07
Speaker 1: held accountable. That person has never been hauled into the
2:31:10
Speaker 1: view of social media, the person that shot her and
2:31:13
Speaker 1: criticized and condemned for killing really what amounted to a
2:31:16
Speaker 1: totally innocent, unarmed woman.
2:31:20
Speaker 13: No absolutely and somebody and shooting my stepdad and self defense.
2:31:24
Speaker 13: I'm very familiar with self dist that self defense of
2:31:27
Speaker 13: the third third party, and so she had no weapons
2:31:30
Speaker 13: in her hand. There was nobody vulnerable and en danger
2:31:33
Speaker 13: right there. It was an ambush. She ambushed her coming
2:31:36
Speaker 13: through that window of a veteran of our Air force
2:31:40
Speaker 13: wounded in combat. It's just a horrible, horrible It is.
2:31:46
Speaker 1: It is, And that's kind of why I emphasized the
2:31:48
Speaker 1: Ashley Babbitt story because I think it's one of the
2:31:50
Speaker 1: most egregious examples of, you know, the treatment of people there,
2:31:53
Speaker 1: but also because you've been through down that road based
2:31:56
Speaker 1: on your history and your life. As you just reminded folks,
2:31:58
Speaker 1: you had to kill your stepfather because the threat that
2:32:00
Speaker 1: he opposed to you, So you know the law too
2:32:02
Speaker 1: in that realm, and of course the law allowed you
2:32:05
Speaker 1: to escape having to go to prison for that, and
2:32:07
Speaker 1: I hate to live with the reality of I fully
2:32:10
Speaker 1: appreciate where you're coming from in terms of the stress
2:32:12
Speaker 1: that that has left you with. Emotionally, no one would
2:32:15
Speaker 1: ever want to take the life of another human being
2:32:17
Speaker 1: and could ever forget it after it's done. But that's
2:32:20
Speaker 1: the agree to sign in the law enforcement. But the
2:32:22
Speaker 1: treatment of people that just engaged in innocuous behavior like
2:32:26
Speaker 1: just strolling through the capital, that the idea that they
2:32:29
Speaker 1: were rounded up and subject to the judicial system is
2:32:31
Speaker 1: really mind boggling to me, particularly given the comparison to
2:32:35
Speaker 1: how the left wing protesters were treated and not bothered
2:32:38
Speaker 1: at all in terms of law enforcement.
2:32:40
Speaker 13: Well, yeaes, sir, well when to see Tom Tillis yesterday,
2:32:43
Speaker 13: Senator Tom till Is saying that people that trespass on
2:32:46
Speaker 13: Capitol grounds deserved between thirty days and three years in
2:32:51
Speaker 13: prison is absolutely frustrating and ridiculous, especially when you had
2:32:55
Speaker 13: groups of massed individuals taking down ski fencing, removing by
2:33:00
Speaker 13: cracks next to the DC police, Capitol Police watching them,
2:33:04
Speaker 13: giving them the thumbs up and allowing them to remove
2:33:06
Speaker 13: those barriers and those trespassing signs, which any other day
2:33:10
Speaker 13: other than January sixth would not be considered trespassing to
2:33:14
Speaker 13: be on Capitol grounds. But he's calling for people to
2:33:17
Speaker 13: be in jail and all. It's just so frustrating. Then
2:33:20
Speaker 13: he doesn't want to confirm Ed Martin as the DC attorney,
2:33:24
Speaker 13: and it's just super super frustrating.
2:33:26
Speaker 1: I imagine it's like it's like plating assault or vinegar
2:33:30
Speaker 1: in your your your current lasting wound. Shane Jenkins the
2:33:34
Speaker 1: real J six dot com is where you find Shane
2:33:39
Speaker 1: in his organization there, And what's the website for the
2:33:42
Speaker 1: Stand in.
2:33:42
Speaker 13: The Gap Stand in the Gap dot Foundation?
2:33:46
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I saw that. I'm used to seeing a
2:33:50
Speaker 1: dot com or a dot org or a dot gov
2:33:52
Speaker 1: or something. I never seen a dot foundation, but there
2:33:54
Speaker 1: you have it, stand in the gap dot Foundation, and
2:33:57
Speaker 1: my listeners really appreciate where you're co and from, Shane,
2:34:00
Speaker 1: and as do I Sorry you got run through the ringer,
2:34:03
Speaker 1: but you know, it's good that you're out there explaining
2:34:06
Speaker 1: the injustice that was involved in what they call the
2:34:09
Speaker 1: justice that was served there and your voice is fully appreciated.
2:34:13
Speaker 1: And I know the other JA sixers who are similarly
2:34:15
Speaker 1: treated certainly appreciate what you're doing in your efforts on
2:34:17
Speaker 1: their behalf. Shane Jenkins, thank you for spending time with
2:34:20
Speaker 1: my listeners of me today. It's been very enlightening. And
2:34:23
Speaker 1: I'll have my executive producer put your organization's links on
2:34:26
Speaker 1: my blog page at fifty five KRC dot com. So
2:34:29
Speaker 1: please have this conversation and welcome to the fifty five
2:34:32
Speaker 1: CARC Morning Show. Doctor Stanley ka Ridgeley. He's a clinical
2:34:37
Speaker 1: full Professor of Strategic Management at Drectional University, holds a
2:34:40
Speaker 1: doctor and master's in International International Relations and Security from
2:34:43
Speaker 1: Duke University and an International MBA from Temple You Russian
2:34:48
Speaker 1: language linguist and former military intelligence officer and author of
2:34:51
Speaker 1: a book we're talking about today, d EI exposed how
2:34:55
Speaker 1: the biggest con of the century almost toppled higher education.
2:34:59
Speaker 1: Doctor Ridgeley from the fifty five carsy morning, So it's
2:35:01
Speaker 1: a real pleasure to have you on this morning.
2:35:03
Speaker 4: Well, hey, the pleasure is all mine, Brian, I appreciate it.
2:35:06
Speaker 4: Got a cup of job on my hand. I'm ready
2:35:07
Speaker 4: to talk Todi.
2:35:08
Speaker 1: All right, we're both java equipped. Good thing to have
2:35:11
Speaker 1: at this time of morning. Now, you know, part of
2:35:14
Speaker 1: me wants to think that this DEI And just by
2:35:16
Speaker 1: way of context, you know how old I am. I'm
2:35:18
Speaker 1: fifty nine years old. So this didn't exist up until
2:35:22
Speaker 1: almost you know, historically recently, and then all of a sudden,
2:35:25
Speaker 1: everybody's created a DEI department. College, universities, corporations have had
2:35:31
Speaker 1: this shoved down their throats. And part of me wants
2:35:34
Speaker 1: to conclude, and maybe you can answer the question for me.
2:35:36
Speaker 1: This is made of This is just like a whole
2:35:38
Speaker 1: cloth creation designed to provide jobs for people who went
2:35:42
Speaker 1: to college and got worthless degrees in social justice. I mean.
2:35:48
Speaker 5: Is that about?
2:35:50
Speaker 11: You know?
2:35:50
Speaker 4: I tell you what. That pretty much strips away the
2:35:53
Speaker 4: facade of DEI. These are really skillless individuals who managed
2:35:57
Speaker 4: to get onto the university campus and knows how they
2:36:00
Speaker 4: managed to do that, but they did it through the
2:36:02
Speaker 4: big con that I talk about in DEI exposed. These
2:36:05
Speaker 4: are folks with indeed workless degrees and their work that
2:36:08
Speaker 4: they like to say they're doing the work of justice
2:36:11
Speaker 4: and that kind of thing. It's really basically just coercing
2:36:14
Speaker 4: people to believe a kind of a make believe world
2:36:18
Speaker 4: of the United States as a racist institution, you know,
2:36:22
Speaker 4: a racist country, and the colleges and universities are somehow
2:36:26
Speaker 4: riven with white supremacy culture. It's a fraud, it's uh,
2:36:29
Speaker 4: and it's a real injustice to our students to have
2:36:32
Speaker 4: admitted these people onto the campuses to perpetuate this nonsense.
2:36:36
Speaker 1: Well, and one of the beautiful things about the Trump administration.
2:36:39
Speaker 1: Say what you might or will about Donald Trump's administration,
2:36:42
Speaker 1: but the Department of Government Efficiency has revealed and shown
2:36:45
Speaker 1: to the American people how many billions of dollars are
2:36:47
Speaker 1: being shoved into college universities largely in support of DEI initiatives,
2:36:52
Speaker 1: as the American tax payer money used to indoctor and
2:36:55
Speaker 1: need college students.
2:36:57
Speaker 4: Well, that's why the left is so is screaming because
2:37:01
Speaker 4: they're being pulled off the teet of government support for
2:37:04
Speaker 4: these naxises that they have now have to deal with
2:37:07
Speaker 4: accountability and transparency, the kinds of thing that you and
2:37:09
Speaker 4: I have to deal with all the time with respect
2:37:12
Speaker 4: to the work. These folks want no strings attached money
2:37:15
Speaker 4: to perpetuate their ideology. They're being called out, and they're
2:37:18
Speaker 4: being called out in a way that that universities understand.
2:37:21
Speaker 4: You know, funding and bad publicity. These are the only
2:37:24
Speaker 4: two things that can get a university to reform itself.
2:37:27
Speaker 4: In university and higher education, they've been lacking oversight for
2:37:31
Speaker 4: far too long. For instance, Harvard. You know, you've got Harvard,
2:37:34
Speaker 4: which is you know, they've been calling for, uh, this
2:37:37
Speaker 4: noble opposition to the Trump administration. But who runs Harvard? Well,
2:37:41
Speaker 4: it's the billionaire Penny Pritsker at the head of the
2:37:44
Speaker 4: Harvard Corporation with her fellow billionaire Biddy Madison and Betty Martin.
2:37:49
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, and and these are the these are the oligarchs,
2:37:53
Speaker 4: the billionaire oligarchs that the left is always talking about,
2:37:56
Speaker 4: and they're in control of Harvard. And we don't we
2:37:58
Speaker 4: don't ever hear that always see is the President Garber
2:38:02
Speaker 4: standing up for academic freedom and freedom of speech. This
2:38:05
Speaker 4: is absurd, It's just a fraud.
2:38:07
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's dive into motive. Now I can see.
2:38:10
Speaker 1: I mean, the useful idiots in the world, they don't
2:38:12
Speaker 1: do any thoughtful, logical, reasonable analysis of this. They don't
2:38:15
Speaker 1: understand how damaging to the American economy the removal of
2:38:18
Speaker 1: meritocracy is going to be. But if you're a billionaire,
2:38:21
Speaker 1: billionaire like Pritzker, what what's your what interest in this
2:38:24
Speaker 1: do you have? Why would you be pushing this and
2:38:27
Speaker 1: pressing this into say Harvard University?
2:38:31
Speaker 4: Well, I think is this the fact of that that
2:38:34
Speaker 4: it's a money machine when you look at it is
2:38:36
Speaker 4: basically drafting taking taxpayer money. You've got a fifty three
2:38:39
Speaker 4: billion dollar untaxed endowment. Aside from the one point one
2:38:43
Speaker 4: point seven percent one point four percent of a tax,
2:38:46
Speaker 4: which is the pittance, You've got this nine billion dollars
2:38:49
Speaker 4: of investment slash grant money from the United States government
2:38:53
Speaker 4: that is no strings attached, no oversight. And you've got
2:38:57
Speaker 4: this this hubrist that attaches to the heart her name.
2:39:00
Speaker 4: And so you've got these billionaires that are there's there's
2:39:03
Speaker 4: thirteen members of the Harvard Corporation. Pritzker is the head
2:39:06
Speaker 4: of this corporation, and they're they're basically by the way,
2:39:09
Speaker 4: her brother is JB. Boss Pritzker, the governor of Illinois.
2:39:14
Speaker 4: There's nothing that comes to they has said they got
2:39:16
Speaker 4: their money through inheritance. They're the Hyatt Hotel uh errors
2:39:21
Speaker 4: of that fortune and so so I can't really speak
2:39:25
Speaker 4: to her motivation except to the idea of power and
2:39:28
Speaker 4: the ability through their money to uh actuate their ideology.
2:39:34
Speaker 4: And I'm going back to the whole idea of DEI.
2:39:36
Speaker 4: It's not what people think it is. And this has
2:39:39
Speaker 4: been the major strength of DEI. It's not creating a
2:39:42
Speaker 4: level playing field for everyone. It's not catering to marginalized populations,
2:39:46
Speaker 4: giving everyone a hand, a helping hand. It's not just
2:39:49
Speaker 4: teaching about race and teaching about slavery. No, it's none
2:39:52
Speaker 4: of those things. That those things happen, it's merely as
2:39:54
Speaker 4: a byproduct. It is the acceptance and propounding of a noxious,
2:39:59
Speaker 4: toxic doctor of racialism where everyone is slotted into one
2:40:03
Speaker 4: of two categories, either villain or victim, either you know, white,
2:40:08
Speaker 4: non white, oppressor or oppressed, and nothing else. In one's
2:40:12
Speaker 4: history matters. Not your education, not your attitude, not your parents,
2:40:16
Speaker 4: you know, not your way of Nothing matters except race.
2:40:20
Speaker 4: And that is the dirty secret of DEI that is
2:40:23
Speaker 4: now being exposed.
2:40:24
Speaker 1: But to accomplish what because that is divisive and ruinous
2:40:29
Speaker 1: for society. It ruins the cohesiveness of the nation. I mean,
2:40:32
Speaker 1: I'm a little ill libertarian kind of guy. Live and
2:40:35
Speaker 1: let live. I trust you with your zipper and your wallet.
2:40:37
Speaker 1: I don't want anything from you. I'll let you do
2:40:39
Speaker 1: what you want to live your life as long as
2:40:40
Speaker 1: it doesn't intrude into my decision making, to my choices.
2:40:43
Speaker 1: We live under the banner of freedom. At least we
2:40:45
Speaker 1: used to, you know, the flag would stand for this,
2:40:48
Speaker 1: this this freedom concept where yes, in the United States
2:40:51
Speaker 1: you can be yourself and choose your own pursuits. But
2:40:54
Speaker 1: this is ruinous to that national cohesion. The flag is
2:40:58
Speaker 1: then viewed as a symbol of races because of you know,
2:41:01
Speaker 1: historic racism and this whole concept the were just evil
2:41:04
Speaker 1: white supremacists. I mean, this is leading to the end
2:41:07
Speaker 1: of our country. And maybe is that the nefarious element
2:41:10
Speaker 1: that's going on behind all this. They don't want the
2:41:12
Speaker 1: United States to continue its amazing success.
2:41:17
Speaker 4: I think you're right, You've hit the nail on the
2:41:19
Speaker 4: head of the idea. It's a collectivist doctrum, the idea
2:41:21
Speaker 4: that your membership in a particular identity group supersedes and
2:41:25
Speaker 4: is far more important than your identity as an individual
2:41:28
Speaker 4: with individual preferences, dreams, et cetera, et cetera. And I
2:41:32
Speaker 4: think this is the latest social justice canard that has
2:41:37
Speaker 4: basically achieved kind of a regnancy on the college campuses.
2:41:41
Speaker 4: And it's it's just the old wine, old collectivist wine
2:41:44
Speaker 4: in a new bottle. It's Marxism if you really take
2:41:47
Speaker 4: it down to it. The idea of Marxist class consciousness
2:41:52
Speaker 4: has been replaced with race consciousness, and the framework is
2:41:56
Speaker 4: virtually unchanged. And so this is the idea that it's
2:42:00
Speaker 4: somehow some sort of racial equity type of things is
2:42:03
Speaker 4: really full. It's the old social justice crowd, collectivist crowd
2:42:08
Speaker 4: trying to supersede and trying to argue and coerce people
2:42:12
Speaker 4: into beleading this notion of collectivism that you're identity in
2:42:16
Speaker 4: a group is far more important than your identity as
2:42:19
Speaker 4: an individual.
2:42:20
Speaker 1: Well, and you're certainly not entitled to your own opinion.
2:42:23
Speaker 1: One of the reasons I loved college and law school
2:42:25
Speaker 1: so much, doctor is you know, the Socratic method, the
2:42:28
Speaker 1: idea you could have an exchange of ideas. There was this,
2:42:31
Speaker 1: you know, exchange of thoughts and concepts, and you weren't
2:42:35
Speaker 1: told that there was one particular point of view that
2:42:37
Speaker 1: you must follow or be ostracized or get an F
2:42:41
Speaker 1: on your paper. The world's obviously different place since then,
2:42:44
Speaker 1: and I think this is reflected in the in the
2:42:46
Speaker 1: media's shift to a far left sort of uniformed lockstep
2:42:50
Speaker 1: left wing reporting perception because they're victims of this one
2:42:54
Speaker 1: sided view in college education and we've lost the media
2:42:58
Speaker 1: to this. I mean, is this something that can be undone?
2:43:01
Speaker 1: Can this bell be unwrong or is it too late
2:43:04
Speaker 1: because colleges are filled with professors who have a uniform
2:43:08
Speaker 1: ideology anymore. You can't be a conservative and teach college
2:43:11
Speaker 1: of courses anymore.
2:43:13
Speaker 4: Well, you certainly can't be a conservative and be you know,
2:43:16
Speaker 4: have unlimited success. But the fact is that to reform
2:43:20
Speaker 4: and higher educations will be very tough because they have
2:43:23
Speaker 4: had almost they succumb to ideological capture a long time ago.
2:43:27
Speaker 4: But I do think the Trump administration Department of Education
2:43:30
Speaker 4: is doing the right thing. The only the only thing
2:43:32
Speaker 4: that universities understand is money and bad publicity. That's that's
2:43:38
Speaker 4: a lot. That's one thing that we can count on
2:43:41
Speaker 4: being true. So the Department of Education is utilizing funding
2:43:45
Speaker 4: is leverage against the universities, and yes, it is against
2:43:48
Speaker 4: the universities to become serious institutions again, become places where
2:43:53
Speaker 4: that marketplace of ideas is a reality, where those different
2:43:56
Speaker 4: ideas can contend in an open debate, rather than having
2:44:01
Speaker 4: certain views suppressed, as we find right now. And that
2:44:04
Speaker 4: is indeed the case. And I detail this, and I
2:44:06
Speaker 4: chronicled this, and DEI exposed, do I exposed? DEI is
2:44:10
Speaker 4: simply this latest bid for in perimature over the universities.
2:44:14
Speaker 4: And they found it very useful because it sounds good,
2:44:17
Speaker 4: doesn't it. Diversity, equity and inclusion, just like cults like
2:44:22
Speaker 4: the Moonies utilize the terms peace and unity, that's their motto,
2:44:27
Speaker 4: and the inclusion and belonging. It sounds very cult like well,
2:44:30
Speaker 4: and that's because it is.
2:44:32
Speaker 1: Well. Anytime I see the word equity anymore, I get
2:44:34
Speaker 1: I get very very concerned and worried. And the idea
2:44:41
Speaker 1: that I feel concerned because I have, you know, lots
2:44:44
Speaker 1: of Black friends and a lot of Jewish friends, and
2:44:47
Speaker 1: you point out and DEI exposed that this is this
2:44:50
Speaker 1: concept of DEI is actually fueled anti Semitism. And I
2:44:55
Speaker 1: want to get I want to get your your explanation
2:44:57
Speaker 1: for that, but also the removal of meritocracy. There are many,
2:45:01
Speaker 1: many people of color that have reached lofty positions through
2:45:05
Speaker 1: their merit, through their experience and their knowledge of any
2:45:08
Speaker 1: given industry or position, they earned it. And this idea
2:45:12
Speaker 1: that you're going to just fill in a check mark
2:45:14
Speaker 1: that oh black check We're going to hire that person
2:45:16
Speaker 1: merely because they're the right color, even though there are
2:45:19
Speaker 1: more qualified Asians or pick a color, skin or nationality.
2:45:24
Speaker 1: We're not going to hire those people. We're going to
2:45:26
Speaker 1: put this person in because they meet this equity checkbox
2:45:29
Speaker 1: or diversity checkbox. That waters down and negates those people
2:45:33
Speaker 1: who've actually earned those positions, because people have this perception like, wow,
2:45:37
Speaker 1: you're a diversity higher. I know you've heard that term before.
2:45:41
Speaker 5: Oh well yeah.
2:45:42
Speaker 4: And I think it's unfortunate because I deal with and
2:45:44
Speaker 4: when students, I deal with a lot of intelligent, incredibly
2:45:47
Speaker 4: talented black students. You know, Indian students, Russian students, students
2:45:51
Speaker 4: of all racist creets and colors, as they say, and
2:45:55
Speaker 4: there's no stigma attached to that. I mean, and who
2:45:57
Speaker 4: wants the stigma of the question mark behind your name?
2:46:00
Speaker 4: Did this person really earn something or did they just
2:46:03
Speaker 4: were they just checking someone else's tech matrix box? Right?
2:46:07
Speaker 4: And the idea that you're going to subvert someone's individual
2:46:10
Speaker 4: achievement by labeling them something like this, because it's not
2:46:14
Speaker 4: the conservative side or libertarian side or the Republican side
2:46:17
Speaker 4: labeling people to EI hires. It is the folks on
2:46:20
Speaker 4: the left. I think Joe Biden himself basically appointed a
2:46:24
Speaker 4: DEI hire as his running mate. And I think that
2:46:29
Speaker 4: this is stigma, is unfortunate, and it's completely unnecessary. I
2:46:33
Speaker 4: think we're going to finally move beyond this. I should
2:46:35
Speaker 4: point out that the latest executive order from last week
2:46:38
Speaker 4: striking down disparate impact. The idea that if you can
2:46:43
Speaker 4: show that there's some sort of statistical result that shows
2:46:47
Speaker 4: that somehow one group is having a different outcome than
2:46:50
Speaker 4: other groups, you can utilize this to prove individual discrimination
2:46:55
Speaker 4: against you. And this has been an absurd notion that
2:46:59
Speaker 4: is in our judicial system that is now being struck down.
2:47:03
Speaker 4: Those of us and social sciences know this. It's a fraud,
2:47:05
Speaker 4: it's a fallacy. You can't do this because it makes
2:47:08
Speaker 4: it's not valid, and yet we find it. We've been
2:47:11
Speaker 4: following this disparate impact for quite some time. That's no
2:47:14
Speaker 4: longer to be the case.
2:47:15
Speaker 1: Doctor Stanley Ridge, originally author of dee I Expose and Doctor,
2:47:18
Speaker 1: we put your book on my web page at fifty
2:47:20
Speaker 1: five cares dot com so my listeners can easily obtain
2:47:23
Speaker 1: a copy of it. And I'm going to go back
2:47:25
Speaker 1: real quickly here because I do have quite a few
2:47:27
Speaker 1: Jewish friends, you know, and not necessarily practicing Jews, they
2:47:31
Speaker 1: just had to be Jewish in terms of their ancestry.
2:47:34
Speaker 1: Some are in favor of Israel, some are in favor
2:47:36
Speaker 1: of Palestinian two state solutions. They're just a mixed bag
2:47:40
Speaker 1: of Jewish people. How has DEI fueled anti Semitism? And
2:47:44
Speaker 1: I don't understand how it is that there's some what
2:47:47
Speaker 1: their motivation is, and anger over that the Jewish people
2:47:50
Speaker 1: is on college campuses as if the Nazis took over.
2:47:55
Speaker 4: Well, it's very similar in the sense that this it's
2:47:57
Speaker 4: an ideology DEA is an ideology, and the ideology tells
2:48:01
Speaker 4: them to behave in certain ways. That ideology says that
2:48:04
Speaker 4: that Jews basically are white people and therefore undeserving of
2:48:08
Speaker 4: protections afforded other minitized people. That's what they say. And
2:48:12
Speaker 4: the fact is that the Jews, especially those from Israel,
2:48:16
Speaker 4: are considered settler colonialists. As a result, they are by
2:48:20
Speaker 4: definition oppressors. So it doesn't matter how many assaults or bullying,
2:48:25
Speaker 4: or trespassing or vandalism, that kind of thing is perpetrated
2:48:29
Speaker 4: against Jewish students, it doesn't matter. And that I have
2:48:32
Speaker 4: an entire chapter on this of how DEI has perpetrated
2:48:35
Speaker 4: this anti Semitic ethos on campus. That it's okay to
2:48:40
Speaker 4: discriminate against Jewish students, it's okay to bully them and
2:48:43
Speaker 4: to assault them because they deserve it, because they are
2:48:46
Speaker 4: oppressors in this framework that I've described to you, that's
2:48:50
Speaker 4: the core of DEI. That you and I are in
2:48:53
Speaker 4: a particular racial category and are deserving of our faith,
2:48:57
Speaker 4: the faith being determined by the DEI idiotology. It's the
2:49:00
Speaker 4: thing that motivated Luikimanzione to kill Brian Thompson in New
2:49:05
Speaker 4: York ideology for him.
2:49:06
Speaker 1: To do this, well, it's I wish they were familiar
2:49:11
Speaker 1: with the concept of two wrongs don't make a right.
2:49:13
Speaker 1: That we once had slavery in the United States, and
2:49:16
Speaker 1: it was wrong, and we did right that wrong, and
2:49:18
Speaker 1: many laws were put into place, and many laws were
2:49:20
Speaker 1: struck from the books to remove that from our society.
2:49:23
Speaker 1: And we've made huge strides toward that. You know, everybody's
2:49:27
Speaker 1: equal kind of perception. They're destroying it. They're just they're
2:49:31
Speaker 1: turning it on its head. It's just it's okay to
2:49:33
Speaker 1: discriminate against someone on the color based on the color
2:49:36
Speaker 1: of their skin. It's just got to be the right
2:49:38
Speaker 1: color in their eyes.
2:49:40
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think it is.
2:49:41
Speaker 4: I'm really disturbed by a lot of students who buy
2:49:43
Speaker 4: into the whole social justice mantra and this social justice
2:49:48
Speaker 4: collectivist mantra. It has a whole host of ideologies under
2:49:52
Speaker 4: its umbrella, and DEI is just one of them. But
2:49:55
Speaker 4: it sounds very good for someone to say, well, I'm
2:49:57
Speaker 4: supporting I'm working for social justice. And if you probe
2:50:01
Speaker 4: beyond that cliche, you find there's not much there except
2:50:05
Speaker 4: the fact of the idea of coercion. I'm going to
2:50:07
Speaker 4: compel you to do something that I want you to
2:50:09
Speaker 4: do that my ideology tills you do because I have
2:50:11
Speaker 4: access to this hidden knowledge that the left has always
2:50:15
Speaker 4: been claiming on the college campuses.
2:50:18
Speaker 5: Doctor.
2:50:18
Speaker 1: Originally, it's been a fantastic conversation this morning. I really
2:50:21
Speaker 1: appreciate you spending time with my listeners and me to
2:50:23
Speaker 1: talk about your book, Deegi. I exposed how the biggest
2:50:25
Speaker 1: ecount of the century almost toppled higher education. I'll encourage
2:50:28
Speaker 1: my copy my listeners to head on over to my web
2:50:30
Speaker 1: page and get a copy of the book. Doctor. Thanks
2:50:32
Speaker 1: again for your time today and keep up the great work.