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The Kenny Report | 29 May · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Lone from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 3: The Albanezy Labor government admits its own failing on immigration
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Speaker 3: security and now it's forced to scrap and rewrite its
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Speaker 3: own soft rules. Sydney University caves into the renegade anti
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Speaker 3: Israel protesters, offering to give them a say in university policies.
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Speaker 3: Former Defense Minister Kim Beasley declares that Australia is incapable
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Speaker 3: of defending itself.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty will join me on that. Also, inflation is
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Speaker 2: up again.
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Speaker 3: The latest on governments chasing COVID fines and the Wednesday
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Speaker 3: wrangle as Jerry Seinfeld is moved to tears and Robert
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Speaker 3: de Niro is moved to mayhem, let's get cracking. The
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Speaker 3: Albanezy Labor government has effectively admitted its own errors on
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Speaker 3: immigration and errors that has imperiled community safety. The MINISTERI
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Speaker 3: or Directive Number ninety nine was brought in by the
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Speaker 3: Albaneze Labor Government. More on that in the moment, but
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Speaker 3: it's led to dozens of criminals, including murderers and rapists
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Speaker 3: who are not citizens of Australia being allowed to stay here.
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Speaker 3: And it was the Prime Minister who told Parliament it
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Speaker 3: needs to go.
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Speaker 4: The only effective way of ensuring that tribunal members are
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Speaker 4: making better decisions is to issue a new, revised direction,
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Speaker 4: which the Minister will be doing. The new directive will
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Speaker 4: ensure that the protection the committee outweighs any other Smiles.
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Speaker 3: Now, the government's been under enormous pressure, with its hapless
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Speaker 3: Immigration Minister Andrew Giles struggling. Of course, have a look
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Speaker 3: at the Home Affairs Minister this morning trying to defend
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Speaker 3: her junior minister on breakfast television.
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Speaker 5: Minister Giles has stepped in here. He's taking action as
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Speaker 5: a good minister would do. He has demanded answers from
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Speaker 5: the Department about why these visas were.
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Speaker 6: Not brought to his attention.
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Speaker 2: Really, he's blaming the department.
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Speaker 3: Remember this is the department whose experienced head, Mike Pozzulo,
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Speaker 3: was pushed out by Labor because they decided he had
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Speaker 3: become too political. Maybe that was a big mistake, but
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Speaker 3: the real error here was the Directive ninety nine, all
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Speaker 3: the ministers and the government's own doing.
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Speaker 5: Now, what Minister Giles did was create a new ministerial
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Speaker 5: direction about how cancelation decisions should be considered.
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Speaker 2: And then the US to stay here.
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Speaker 5: What he did not do is reduce the importance of
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Speaker 5: community safety in that direction.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not wise, is it to try and suggest
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Speaker 3: that it's all being managed? Okay Seven's Natalie Barr seemed
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Speaker 3: to understand the community these concerns.
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Speaker 7: Surely the buck stops with him.
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Speaker 8: He's the minister.
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Speaker 7: He made the direction they had to consider these people's
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Speaker 7: ties with Australia. The AAT considered their ties with Australia
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Speaker 7: and they said, gee, they have ties with Australia.
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Speaker 9: So all these rapists.
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Speaker 6: Want to know what they did.
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Speaker 7: One raped a fourteen year old stepdaughter while his wife
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Speaker 7: gave birth, One rape the sister of the mother of
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Speaker 7: his infant child, One raped a disabled fourteen year old
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Speaker 7: and a sixteen year old, one raped a child between
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Speaker 7: the age of ten and fourteen, and one raped eight
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Speaker 7: times forty eight counts of sexual assault on twenty five
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Speaker 7: women and a teen. The judge said he had no remorse.
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Speaker 6: That's what we're dealing with.
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Speaker 7: And you're still arguing support for the minister.
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Speaker 6: Do you think that.
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Speaker 5: Washes Look, Matt, I completely understand the concern that you
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Speaker 5: have about these and the crimes that you've listed there
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Speaker 5: are absolutely horrendous. No member of Parliament and no member
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Speaker 5: of the Government is going to disagree with that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no sensible person, no voter would disagree that these
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Speaker 3: crimes and their perpetrators are absolutely horrendous, which is why
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Speaker 3: they don't want them getting the right to stay in
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Speaker 3: this country when they're not even Australian citizens. And that's
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Speaker 3: why Labor has had to back down and effectively scrap
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Speaker 3: its own directive and try to reimpose the strong rules
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Speaker 3: that operated under the Coalition.
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Speaker 10: I will be updating Ministerial Direction ninety nine, as the
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Speaker 10: Prime Minister has just said order.
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Speaker 2: The new direction will allsore that all.
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Speaker 10: Members of the AART will adopt a common sense approach
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Speaker 10: to VISA decisions consistent with the intent of Ministerial Direction
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Speaker 10: ninety nine.
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Speaker 3: Now, the history of this actually shows exactly how weak
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Speaker 3: Labor has been. It all stems from New Zealand and
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Speaker 3: their former Labor minister. Just send to ar Dern, who
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Speaker 3: embarrassed Coalition Prime Minister Scott Morrison on this very issue
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Speaker 3: back in twenty twenty when she complained about criminal Kiwis
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Speaker 3: being sent back across the ditch.
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Speaker 11: Australia is well within its rights to deport individuals who
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Speaker 11: break your laws. New Zealand does the same, but we
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Speaker 11: have a simple request send back kiwis genuine kiwis, do
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Speaker 11: not deport your people and your problems.
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Speaker 9: I respect the positions that are put forward by Prime
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Speaker 9: Minister Ardun, but in our government's view, that is not
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Speaker 9: in Australia's national interest to not deport non citizens who
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Speaker 9: have committed crimes in Australia.
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Speaker 2: As I stressed, yeah, how about that? Hey Scomo heard it.
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Speaker 3: He took the hit from Ardern, but he didn't change
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Speaker 3: the rules because he wanted to protect Australia's interests, not
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Speaker 3: New Zealand's. What happened was that once Labour won power,
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Speaker 3: Albanesi obviously tried to appease just Sinda Ardern. They gave
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Speaker 3: the kiwis what they wanted, They gave their labor mates
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Speaker 3: across the ditch what they wanted. They softened our treatment
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Speaker 3: of criminal non citizens, and they didn't think about the
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Speaker 3: unintended consequences.
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Speaker 2: It seems clear.
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Speaker 3: Both Albanesi and Giles have royally stuffed up here, and
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Speaker 3: Giles is the one who has to go.
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Speaker 2: Maybe there's a job for him.
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Speaker 3: In New Zealand, the pro Palestinian pro Humas anti Israel
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Speaker 3: protesters at Sydney University have had a major win. Their
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Speaker 3: breach of directions, their breach of civility, their breach of
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Speaker 3: university rules has been rewarded. Their ignorance, their hatred, their
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Speaker 3: calls for armed insurrection, their calls for the elimination of Israel,
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Speaker 3: and the use of children to promote these violent and
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Speaker 3: intolerant positions have.
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Speaker 2: All been rewarded.
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Speaker 4: Time pre.
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Speaker 6: Pread.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the reward has come from the university's vice chancellor,
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Speaker 3: the former ABC boss Mark Scott. He's been targeted by
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Speaker 3: students himself in recent weeks, but he's failed to move
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Speaker 3: the protesters on or show any strength in shutting down
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Speaker 3: the inflammatory anti Israel retric that's intimidated Jewish students on campus.
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Speaker 3: Scott has instead rewarded the protesters by offering to review
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Speaker 3: the university's links with defense companies and research organization. And
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Speaker 3: he's offered to let the protesters get involved in that review.
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Speaker 2: I mean, think about this.
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Speaker 3: The protesters have camped on UNI grounds, They've preached violence
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Speaker 3: and intolerance, They've intimidated Jewish students.
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Speaker 2: They've interrupted classes.
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Speaker 3: And tried to dictate university policy about engagement with Israel
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Speaker 3: and with defense companies that deal with Israel, and Scott,
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Speaker 3: who must surely be one of the weakest men in
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Speaker 3: this country.
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Speaker 2: Scott has offered.
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Speaker 3: Them a role in reviewing university policies and practice practices.
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Speaker 2: That's his attempt at appeasement.
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Speaker 3: Now, when Scott was in charge of the ABC, it
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Speaker 3: was run by the staff. That's when it became a
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Speaker 3: staff run collective. And now he heads up Sydney University.
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Speaker 3: He's allowing the students to run it, but not the diligent,
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Speaker 3: law abiding citizens. He's letting the unruly, rule breaking students
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Speaker 3: who chant about violent insurrections and intolerance. He's leading this
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Speaker 3: mob dictate university policy.
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Speaker 2: Just pathetic. Mark Scott should resign.
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Speaker 3: I mean, if you do not want to lead, if
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Speaker 3: you do not want to run the UNI, if you
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Speaker 3: want to outsource the running of the university to protesters,
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Speaker 3: then you should resign. Now, just on the Hummus Israel war,
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Speaker 3: I want to show you an emotional response from someone
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Speaker 3: who's seldom a motive. In fact, he's a very famous
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Speaker 3: man who's made a career out of rejecting emotionalism and
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Speaker 3: being quite cold hearted and practical in a funny kind
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Speaker 3: of way. Comedian Jerry Seinfeld is, of course a Jewish
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Speaker 3: New Yorker, and he's previously laughed off anti Israel protesters
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Speaker 3: and hecklers who have targeted him. But have a look
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Speaker 3: at his reaction in this interview, his inability to find
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Speaker 3: words when asked about Israel's plight.
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Speaker 6: You were in Israel since the war started. How is
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Speaker 6: that trip.
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Speaker 12: The most powerful experience of my life?
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Speaker 6: Really?
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Speaker 1: I'm sure? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Why you know?
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Speaker 1: You just.
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Speaker 13: Are you thinking of someone in particular?
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Speaker 6: Ah?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, As you would have seen in the documentary here
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Speaker 3: on Sky News last night, the toll on Jewish people
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Speaker 3: around the world is heavy in response to an atrocity
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Speaker 3: committed by Islamist terrorist group Hummus in response to the murder, torture, rape,
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Speaker 3: and kidnapping of fifteen hundred innocent Israelis. So many in
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Speaker 3: the world have turned on Israel and on Jewish people.
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Speaker 3: This is victim blaming, This is irrational, This is hateful
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Speaker 3: and ignorant, and it's heartbreaking, and it's just what the
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Speaker 3: terrorists of Homas want. No wonder Jerry Seinfeld is left speechless.
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Speaker 3: Now another famous American has made the news too, this
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Speaker 3: time weighing in on US politics. Actor Robert de Niro
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Speaker 3: has made a bizarre appearance outside Donald Trump's court case.
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Speaker 14: If Trump returns to the White House, you can kiss
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Speaker 14: these freedoms goodbye that we all take for granted, and
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Speaker 14: elections forget about it. That's over, that's done. If he
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Speaker 14: gets in, I can tell you right now, he will
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Speaker 14: never leave.
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Speaker 3: Honestly, no more elections if Trump is elected like he
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Speaker 3: was last time. Now, I'm no Trump fan, and I'm
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Speaker 3: disgusted by the way he refused to accept the voter's
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Speaker 3: verdict last time. Democracy depends on loser's consent, and Trump refused.
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Speaker 2: To give it.
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Speaker 3: But neither, of course did Hillary Clinton the election before that.
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Speaker 3: She's always calling Trump ill legitimate after that election and
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Speaker 3: demanding resistance from protesters. But this sort of rant from
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Speaker 3: de Niro, this sort of abuse is nothing new. I mean,
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Speaker 3: DeNiro tried it before Trump was elected the first time.
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Speaker 15: I mean, he's so blatantly stupid. He's a punk, he's
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Speaker 15: a dog, he's a pig. He's a national disaster. He's
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Speaker 15: an embarrassment to this country. It makes me so angry
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Speaker 15: that this country has gotten to this point, that this fool,
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Speaker 15: this bozo has wound up where he has. He talks
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Speaker 15: about he wants to punch people in the face. Well,
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Speaker 15: I'd like to punch him in the face.
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Speaker 2: You'd think that learn, wouldn't you.
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Speaker 3: I mean, whatever happened to the Democrats taking the high road?
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Speaker 3: And have a look at de Niro After reading his
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Speaker 3: statement in New York the other day, You are you are?
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Speaker 7: You suck your trash?
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Speaker 3: Honestly, de Niro calls Trump a clown and then carries
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Speaker 3: on like this. It reminds me of one of his
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Speaker 3: early roles.
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Speaker 12: You're talking to me, you're talking to me, You're talking
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Speaker 12: to me, But who the hell are you.
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Speaker 16: Talking talking to?
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Speaker 13: Me?
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm the only one here, I mean, who is
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Speaker 3: DeNiro talking to? Certainly not to swing voters. Stuff like
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Speaker 3: this from de Niro lecturing fellow Americans. Well, that's only
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Speaker 3: going to turn them off. And the Democrats are in
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Speaker 3: enough strife as it is. Have a look at their candidate, mister.
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Speaker 4: President, what's your message to Democrats who don't want you
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Speaker 4: to run again?
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Speaker 2: They want me to run two third city?
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Speaker 14: The pols Jack you guys are all the same that
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Speaker 14: Paul showed that ninety two percent Democrats if I ran,
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Speaker 14: would vote for me.
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Speaker 4: A majority of them were going to say they don't
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Speaker 4: want you to run again.
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Speaker 6: In twenty twenty.
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Speaker 16: Four percent said if they did, they'd vote for you.
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Speaker 2: But most of them, mate, don't want you to run America.
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Speaker 2: It's some choice, isn't it.
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Speaker 3: As it stands, Americans either get more of Biden, which
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Speaker 3: might mean lots of Kamala Harris, or more of Trump,
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Speaker 3: in which case at least it'll be fun to see
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Speaker 3: de Niro's reaction. Let's go to Camberra now and catch
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Speaker 3: up with One Nation founder and leader, Pauline Hanson actually
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Speaker 3: joining us from Queensland. Of course, the Senate not sitting
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Speaker 3: this week. Thanks for joining us, Pauline. The government now
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Speaker 3: Andrew Giles and the Prime Minister saying that they've got
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Speaker 3: to do a new Directive number ninety nine effectively, that
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Speaker 3: was wrong. That was a mistake they made last year
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Speaker 3: because they got to rewrite it. Well, can we trust
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Speaker 3: them to write it properly this time? But are you
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Speaker 3: comforted at all by this concession from the government?
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Speaker 6: Not at all.
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Speaker 17: I think there are a pair of bozos. They really
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Speaker 17: are the way they've handled this. And when I said
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Speaker 17: in the meeting at the end of last year with
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Speaker 17: regards to jarleson handling the detainees, I was of the
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Speaker 17: confidence that they could actually then a reoffender who was
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Speaker 17: released from the detain from the detention center could be
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Speaker 17: actually put back behind bars again in a detention center.
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Speaker 17: But that wasn't the case, so we were lied to.
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Speaker 17: It was not my understanding. I can't believe what they're done.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 17: They blamed the Aat. You're going to give them a direction,
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Speaker 17: ministerial direction, which he's already got. It comes down to
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Speaker 17: the minister how to deal with this. And of those
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Speaker 17: one hundred and fifty three detainees that were released Chris,
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Speaker 17: my understanding, seventy six have actually ankle bracelets on. Of
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Speaker 17: the twenty eight that have reoffended, we don't know whether
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Speaker 17: they had ankle bracelets on. That was my understanding they
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Speaker 17: would all be wearing ankle bracelets, but it wasn't the case.
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Speaker 17: They've lied to us time and time again. And if
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Speaker 17: you look at the record of both of these men,
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Speaker 17: you know they don't want to lock up detains. They
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Speaker 17: have no regard for this strained people and their safety.
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Speaker 17: They have no regard for the security of this nation
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Speaker 17: because they put out a clear message to the people
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Speaker 17: smugglers put them on boats, or those people can come
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Speaker 17: in by plane.
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Speaker 6: We've got more coming in by.
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Speaker 17: Plane who are going to claim salem seeking in this country.
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Speaker 6: We're in a hell of a mess.
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Speaker 2: We are in a hell of a mess.
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Speaker 3: And it's incredible to watch the government, the minister in particular,
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Speaker 3: blaming everybody else.
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Speaker 2: Now they blame the Department.
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Speaker 3: Well, two points on that is, they got rid of
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Speaker 3: the department head, Mike Bozillo, who knew what he was
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Speaker 3: doing and they thought he was so too political, So
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Speaker 3: they had that inquiry and got rid of him. So
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Speaker 3: they got their own person they're heading it. Plus, they're
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Speaker 3: supposed to run the department, they're supposed to demand the
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Speaker 3: sort of performance that they should get. And secondly they
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Speaker 3: blame the AA now the Administry of Appeals Tribunal. Again,
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Speaker 3: they've shaken that organization up dramatically, They've fogged a lot
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Speaker 3: of people off, put their own people on there. In fact,
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Speaker 3: they're going to reconfigure it as a new organization, so
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Speaker 3: that's their people delivering those outcomes as well. And again
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Speaker 3: in that case, it's up to the minister to be
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Speaker 3: vigilant about what's going on, what's being uphild, what's being overturned,
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Speaker 3: and make sure he acts before it doesn't before it
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Speaker 3: turns up in the newspapers on the TV news. That's
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Speaker 3: the only time he acts is when these horrible cases
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Speaker 3: turn up in the media.
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Speaker 6: It's not even acting.
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Speaker 17: And I know personally Mike Bazulo and he was a
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Speaker 17: no nonsense, spot on guy, and this was the different
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Speaker 17: politics of how Mike would handle it to what Giles
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Speaker 17: or Prime Mister would handle it.
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Speaker 6: That's why he had to go.
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Speaker 17: So they're both soft, their bleeding, bloody hearts and not
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Speaker 17: good for the country. So people have to realize this.
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Speaker 17: You are where you vote, goes.
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Speaker 6: Who are you voting as the next governant?
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Speaker 17: If you reach turn this pair, well, i'll tell you what,
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Speaker 17: along with the rest of them, we're going to be
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Speaker 17: worse off now in the future down the track unless
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Speaker 17: we do something about it.
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Speaker 3: Well, he's got the Minister now having to rewrite, effectively
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Speaker 3: scrap his directive and put up.
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Speaker 2: Come up with a new one.
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Speaker 3: Surely that is enough in its own right, because This
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Speaker 3: was his directive. Giles brought this directive in surely he
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Speaker 3: has to go.
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Speaker 6: He has to go. Everyone keeps calling for it. But
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Speaker 6: Easy is protecting him. So it's his mate.
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Speaker 17: He's protecting him because they think alike Chris. If someone
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Speaker 17: doesn't do the cup, you know it's with me.
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Speaker 6: Okay.
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Speaker 17: So I had a couple of my members that didn't
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Speaker 17: cut mustard with me, and they didn't.
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Speaker 6: Do the job, so I actually got rid of them.
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Speaker 6: That's what it's about.
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Speaker 17: Politics is about. You've got to have pre people there
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Speaker 17: who know how to solve a problem. They can't solve problems.
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Speaker 17: And if you don't want to get rid of someone,
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Speaker 17: that means you're on the same page. And that's what
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Speaker 17: tells me they both think alike Albany. He won't get
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Speaker 17: rid of Giles because Giles is thinking exactly the same
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Speaker 17: way as Albanesi. Albanzi is the most pathetic, gutless prime
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Speaker 17: minister I have Evan on and I actually am so
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Speaker 17: angry with him in the leadership role of this nation
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Speaker 17: that I cringe when I see him. I cringe when
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Speaker 17: I hear their policies. I cringe for the future of
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Speaker 17: this nation, and especially last night watching that show with
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Speaker 17: Josh Freinberg, I cringed with his comments that he has
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Speaker 17: shows he's a gutless wonder. He shows no compassion for
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Speaker 17: what's happening in this country. He was pathetic to listen to.
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Speaker 17: Julia Gillard showed more leadership, you know in her comments
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Speaker 17: and what he's got in his bloody thumb in his
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Speaker 17: little finger, and even Peter Dutton did He's just it
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Speaker 17: shows me again he is sitting on barbed life fans.
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Speaker 17: He's trying to appease so many people here, but also
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Speaker 17: sticking up for his own values of what he stands
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Speaker 17: for himself. It comes, it comes across me to me
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Speaker 17: so clearly.
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Speaker 3: I can see your frustration. I was going to ask
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Speaker 3: you about the documentary you've gone there.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, I agree with you.
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Speaker 3: Julia Gillard seem very strong and forthright. We were a
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Speaker 3: lot of clarity about her values and when it came
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Speaker 3: to Israel and our country and just waffling from the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: We get that too often. Thanks so much for joining us, Pauline.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Pulling Hanson their Live from Queensland. I
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Speaker 2: want to go to another issue.
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Speaker 3: We'll come back to some of these national security issues later.
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Speaker 3: But as I mentioned yesterday, the Queensland Garnment is chasing
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Speaker 3: down over two thousand people who have unpaid COVID fines
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Speaker 3: that total over three and a half million dollars. Now,
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Speaker 3: these are fines that were handed out to people for
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Speaker 3: not wearing masks during the pandemic or being in the
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Speaker 3: wrong area, you know, hanging out with friends at.
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Speaker 2: The park and all that sort of thing.
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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, in New South Wales, there's an ongoing battle to
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Speaker 3: get the government to either cancel or pay back twenty
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Speaker 3: nine thousand COVID fines. Incredibly, three thousand, six hundred children
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Speaker 3: were pinned.
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Speaker 2: For breaching public health orders.
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Speaker 3: Their parents hit with thousand dollars fines and the youngest
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Speaker 3: was only ten years old. Samantha Lee from the Redfern
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Speaker 3: Legal Center is continuing the fight against these ridiculous fines.
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Speaker 3: We've spoken with her before, she joins us now for
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Speaker 3: an update.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Samantha.
21:17
Speaker 3: Where are you at with this legal battle and why
21:20
Speaker 3: aren't you getting some sort of a government intervention? The
21:22
Speaker 3: government could fix this with the stroke of a pen,
21:25
Speaker 3: couldn't they forget about the court fights? They could just say, look,
21:28
Speaker 3: that was a shocking era. We had to impose all
21:31
Speaker 3: sorts of ridiculous rules. Some of us are a bit
21:33
Speaker 3: embarrassed about that. Now, why don't we just get rid
21:35
Speaker 3: of all the fines and not collect them.
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Speaker 18: Well, you're right, the government can get rid of these
21:42
Speaker 18: fines with the stroke at a pen but it is
21:44
Speaker 18: going to cost them around thirty million dollars, so that's
21:47
Speaker 18: probably incentive not to do that. We have been in
21:51
Speaker 18: the Supreme Court again recently for another COVID fine matter,
21:57
Speaker 18: and what that court case did is it confirmed the
22:02
Speaker 18: test that was already confirmed by the Supreme Court. That
22:07
Speaker 18: test being is that if a fine itself, the actual
22:10
Speaker 18: penalty notice does not include the details of the offense,
22:14
Speaker 18: which means the actual section of the Act that you
22:17
Speaker 18: have breached, then that fine itself is invalid. Now we
22:22
Speaker 18: know that there are thousands of fines out there that
22:26
Speaker 18: do not meet that legal test and therefore are an
22:32
Speaker 18: invalid fine. My suggestion is to those who have a
22:36
Speaker 18: fine out there that doesn't meet the legal threshold is
22:39
Speaker 18: to submit a review to Revenue New South Wales immediately
22:44
Speaker 18: and actually cite the cases that have been through the
22:47
Speaker 18: Supreme Court in New South Wales.
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Speaker 3: All right, So just get some clarity there for people
22:53
Speaker 3: who have these fines. If there's not a specific reference
22:56
Speaker 3: to the legislation or the alleged breach of that legislation
23:03
Speaker 3: on their fine, then they should should challenge it and
23:08
Speaker 3: can they contact the Redfern Legal Service to just get
23:11
Speaker 3: some help.
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Speaker 18: On that they can if they're in New South Wales.
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Speaker 18: Unfortunately our service only covers New South Wales, but there
23:19
Speaker 18: are other legal services across other jurisdictions. But yes, that's right.
23:24
Speaker 18: Just get out your fine that may be on the
23:26
Speaker 18: table or in a cupboard or somewhere and have it
23:29
Speaker 18: looked to see if that penalty notice actually specifies the
23:32
Speaker 18: act that you have alleged to have breached. If it
23:35
Speaker 18: doesn't specify the act, then that fine may actually be invalid.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very good tip.
23:41
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Samantha, and congratulations on continuing that work,
23:45
Speaker 3: Samantha Lee with the Redfern Legal Center. Great that they're
23:48
Speaker 3: challenging this stuff through the courts, but I think we
23:51
Speaker 3: should need we should put wood on the politicians as
23:54
Speaker 3: well in Victoria and New South Wales, in all the
23:56
Speaker 3: states stop chasing these fines. They were ridiculous in the
24:00
Speaker 3: first place. Stop wasting everyone's time chasing them up.
24:04
Speaker 2: Just write them off now.
24:06
Speaker 3: Don't go away, because after the break and I got
24:07
Speaker 3: to catch up with Shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty get
24:11
Speaker 3: his views on claims of Australia simply is not in
24:14
Speaker 3: a shape now to defend itself.
24:19
Speaker 2: We keep talking.
24:20
Speaker 3: About our perilous strategic circumstances with war in Eastern Europe
24:24
Speaker 3: of course, the war of the Middle East too, but especially.
24:27
Speaker 2: With a belligerent China in our own region.
24:30
Speaker 3: We also have spoken often about our poor defense preparedness
24:34
Speaker 3: here at home, the indecision and delays over replacing our submarines,
24:39
Speaker 3: and the issues with the Navy frigate program and helicopter fleet.
24:42
Speaker 3: On top of all this, the defense forces are having
24:45
Speaker 3: enormous strife recruiting and keeping adequate numbers of personnel well.
24:50
Speaker 3: Former Labor Defense Minister Kim Beasley has told us now
24:54
Speaker 3: in plain language what this all means. It means that
24:58
Speaker 3: without the US we wouldn't be able to defend ourselves
25:01
Speaker 3: from an invader.
25:03
Speaker 2: If we have a.
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Speaker 19: Really detailed understanding of the character of our strategic situation
25:08
Speaker 19: and the capacity of our forces, we could not defend
25:12
Speaker 19: ourselves now without the Americans. When I was the defense
25:17
Speaker 19: minister against the likely threats in the region, Absolutely we
25:22
Speaker 19: could defend ourselves now.
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Speaker 1: No.
25:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty clear cut, isn't it. Joining me now
25:29
Speaker 3: is shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty. Thanks for joining us, Andrew.
25:32
Speaker 3: Is Kim Beasley right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 13: I think Kim Beasley is right. I think there's a
25:37
Speaker 13: lot to do in defense. We've got to get more
25:40
Speaker 13: people to serve in uniform. We're about five thousand under
25:43
Speaker 13: strength and we're not hitting our recruiting targets. We're not
25:46
Speaker 13: retaining people for long enough either. There's capabilities that need
25:50
Speaker 13: to come online, and under this labor government, they're still
25:53
Speaker 13: assuming the ten year warning time orthodoxy in the budget,
25:58
Speaker 13: so we're not going to see a lot of new
25:59
Speaker 13: capability for another ten years or so, which means will
26:02
Speaker 13: become weaker before we become stronger. Ironically, so there's a
26:06
Speaker 13: lot to do in defense, which is why the next
26:07
Speaker 13: election will be so consequential. I want to come back
26:10
Speaker 13: to those defense options, but just to talk about the
26:12
Speaker 13: strategic circumstances, because it's more than two decades since Kim
26:16
Speaker 13: Beasley was Defense Minister.
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Speaker 2: So apart from our own defense.
26:21
Speaker 3: Preparedness going backwards or flatlining, the other aspect of this
26:25
Speaker 3: is the threats in our region have grown, right, he's
26:28
Speaker 3: talking about what the situation was like back then. Certainly
26:32
Speaker 3: China in particular has massively expanded its defense capability, both
26:38
Speaker 3: in terms of the numbers of kit it has and
26:41
Speaker 3: the sophistication.
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Speaker 1: Right, that's right.
26:45
Speaker 13: We've enjoyed the strategic protection of English speaking democracy since federation,
26:51
Speaker 13: so the britishup until nineteen forty two, and then obviously
26:55
Speaker 13: from America from the Second World War to the present day.
26:58
Speaker 13: And America and its leadership of the free world is
27:01
Speaker 13: under increasing pressure from Russia, from China, from Iran, from
27:05
Speaker 13: North Korea, from their affiliates Hamas and the Houthi rebels
27:08
Speaker 13: in the Middle East, and so all that pressure means
27:11
Speaker 13: that we're also having to face up to the new
27:15
Speaker 13: strategic reality and defend ourselves and help protect this order
27:19
Speaker 13: that the US has maintained for the last eighty years.
27:24
Speaker 13: And I think it is under more pressure now, particularly
27:26
Speaker 13: because we're seeing Russia assert itself in Ukraine, We're seeing
27:31
Speaker 13: China flex its muscles in the region, and we're seeing
27:34
Speaker 13: there's so many data points for that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't need to tell you all viewers.
27:38
Speaker 13: They built artificial islands out of the adults in the
27:42
Speaker 13: South China Sea, militarize them. They're now bristling with missiles
27:45
Speaker 13: and fighter aircraft. We see what they're doing to the Filipinos.
27:49
Speaker 13: We see what they've done to our own ADF a
27:53
Speaker 13: couple of times over the last few years, the latest
27:55
Speaker 13: one of course, being the Seahawk being buzzed by the
27:57
Speaker 13: Chinese fighter and having flares f at it. So all
28:01
Speaker 13: these things mean that we need to invest more in defense.
28:04
Speaker 13: We need more people serving in uniform and under this government,
28:08
Speaker 13: I don't think they're serious about defense.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's extraordinary.
28:11
Speaker 13: And further go on, Andrew, I was just going to say,
28:15
Speaker 13: Kim wasn't Kim Beasley wasn't alone in saying this. So
28:17
Speaker 13: Paul didb agrieved with him that we're effectively a peacetime
28:20
Speaker 13: defense force. We're not ready for war. And everyone agreed
28:24
Speaker 13: on the strategic outlook too. I didn't hear any dissent
28:26
Speaker 13: from that view. So these are the circumstances we're facing,
28:30
Speaker 13: and the question is what's the government doing about it? Well,
28:32
Speaker 13: they're spending you know, fifty point three billion dollars over
28:35
Speaker 13: the next decade, but most of that money is in
28:38
Speaker 13: the next decade, not in the present where we need
28:40
Speaker 13: the investment right now.
28:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, now you mentioned five thousand personnel. Sure, that's a
28:46
Speaker 3: worrying number. That's a lot of people, that's a lot
28:50
Speaker 3: of expertise, that's a lot of skilled and highly trained
28:52
Speaker 3: people that we don't have, and they're just not making
28:56
Speaker 3: a dent in recruiting those people and retaining them as
28:59
Speaker 3: we speak. But what about when it comes to hardware.
29:02
Speaker 3: There's a lot of focus on the submarines. We all
29:04
Speaker 3: know that getting nuclear submarines is going to take a
29:07
Speaker 3: long while.
29:08
Speaker 2: Where are the other gaps? What are the most.
29:10
Speaker 3: Critical gaps that we need to fill when it comes
29:12
Speaker 3: to our defense platforms.
29:16
Speaker 13: Well, we need to think about how we can bring
29:19
Speaker 13: the new general purpose frigate sooner to operational service. We've
29:25
Speaker 13: only got five crews for our seven ANZAC frigates. We've
29:29
Speaker 13: had to decommission one, which was decommissioned about a week ago.
29:32
Speaker 13: We need to think about how we bolster our Air
29:35
Speaker 13: Force labor have removed the fourth squad and have joint
29:38
Speaker 13: strike fighters, for example. We need to be investing in
29:41
Speaker 13: low cost drones so that we can keep up with
29:45
Speaker 13: the developments in warfare, and we need defence industry to
29:47
Speaker 13: be doing that, our sovereign industry, not buying stuff overseas,
29:51
Speaker 13: but actually backing our own industry here in Australia so
29:55
Speaker 13: that we can get new capabilities that are world classed
29:58
Speaker 13: and we'll give us an edge in the next con
30:00
Speaker 13: But I think, Chris, the most important thing that we
30:03
Speaker 13: need to be investing in is people, because if you
30:05
Speaker 13: don't have people, war is fundamentally a human enterprise. If
30:08
Speaker 13: you don't have people, you can't win wars. You can
30:10
Speaker 13: have all the capabilities in the world, but you've got
30:12
Speaker 13: to have people who love their country, who are tough,
30:15
Speaker 13: who are resilient, who are good at war fighting. And
30:17
Speaker 13: if we're not hitting our recruiting targets, if we're not
30:20
Speaker 13: retaining people, and if we're still short of the required
30:25
Speaker 13: number of personnel, we've got a big problem.
30:27
Speaker 1: And we do. We do have a big problem.
30:29
Speaker 3: And just briefly, you've talked about how most of Labour's
30:31
Speaker 3: additional defense spending is way outside the forward estimates.
30:36
Speaker 2: You're going to go have an election campaign in six
30:38
Speaker 2: to nine months.
30:39
Speaker 3: Are you saying that the coalition will definitely then bring
30:42
Speaker 3: defense spending forward, You'll spend more right in your first
30:46
Speaker 3: years of government on defense.
30:49
Speaker 1: We're going to look at the numbers, Chris.
30:51
Speaker 13: They're committing to five point seven billion dollars over the
30:53
Speaker 13: next four years. Most of that more than three billion
30:57
Speaker 13: dollars of that is in the fourth year. So we're
30:59
Speaker 13: not seeing any immediate investment, which sends the signal to
31:03
Speaker 13: the Australian people that labor are not serious about defense.
31:05
Speaker 13: So yes, Peter Dutton has already said that we will
31:08
Speaker 13: invest more and sooner than labor in the Australian Defense Force.
31:11
Speaker 13: I'm confident that will occur. But most importantly, we're going
31:14
Speaker 13: to have a plan to get young Australians into uniform
31:17
Speaker 13: and we're going to build a more cohesive, strong and
31:20
Speaker 13: resilient defense force.
31:22
Speaker 2: Just quickly on that.
31:23
Speaker 3: What do you think of Rishi Sunak's plan to bring
31:25
Speaker 3: back national service in the UK?
31:26
Speaker 2: Should we be looking at that?
31:30
Speaker 1: Look?
31:30
Speaker 13: I think that if we introduce well, if we're going
31:33
Speaker 13: to have a discussion about national service, there's got to
31:35
Speaker 13: be a debate and then there should be a playbi site.
31:38
Speaker 13: Every single Australian should get a vote on that question,
31:41
Speaker 13: because there's nothing worse than having people serving in uniform
31:44
Speaker 13: who don't want to be there. One of the great
31:45
Speaker 13: strengths of the Australian Defense Force is that they are
31:48
Speaker 13: volunteers and they are people who have signed on the
31:51
Speaker 13: dotted line to commit their lives.
31:53
Speaker 1: To defending our country.
31:54
Speaker 13: That's what we want and so it'd have to be
31:56
Speaker 13: a national decision with the Australian people's consent.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, good point. Thanks for joining us, Andrew.
32:01
Speaker 3: I greatly appreciated Andrew Hasty there, the Shadow Defense Minister,
32:05
Speaker 3: Concurring with Kim Beasley and others, the Australia is just
32:09
Speaker 3: in no position right now to defend itself without America,
32:14
Speaker 3: of course, coming to our aid.
32:15
Speaker 2: Now, don't go away.
32:16
Speaker 3: After the break, We're going to get back to the
32:18
Speaker 3: Sydney University protests and the way the union's actually caved
32:21
Speaker 3: into the protesters offering to review ties with businesses involved
32:26
Speaker 3: in the.
32:27
Speaker 2: Israel Garza war.
32:32
Speaker 3: Now at the top of the program, I said Sydney
32:34
Speaker 3: University boss Mark Scott should resign because of how weak
32:37
Speaker 3: he's been on the anti Israel pro humas protesters at
32:41
Speaker 3: the university.
32:42
Speaker 2: He's effectively rewarded.
32:44
Speaker 3: Their delinquents by offering them a role in reviewing university policy.
32:49
Speaker 3: The weakness of the unis was covered in the excellent
32:52
Speaker 3: documentary on anti Semitism here on Sky News last night.
32:57
Speaker 19: What is your message here to and vice chancellors and
33:01
Speaker 19: indeed school principles.
33:03
Speaker 20: Uphold the principles which underpin the foundations of your.
33:09
Speaker 1: Institutions and if they don't.
33:11
Speaker 15: If they don't, they don't deserve to be in their jobs.
33:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, said Dennis Richardson. Let's go to someone else who.
33:18
Speaker 3: Spoke with Josh Friedenberg in Never Again The Fight against
33:21
Speaker 3: Andy Semitism here on Sky News last night, and that
33:24
Speaker 3: is Sydney University student freyer Leitch. Thanks for joining us, Freer,
33:27
Speaker 3: Congratulations on your role in the doco was a pretty
33:30
Speaker 3: powerful message.
33:31
Speaker 8: Thank you. I wish I didn't have to be in it.
33:33
Speaker 8: I wish you didn't have to be made, but thank you.
33:35
Speaker 3: Now you've seen these protests, the encampment at Sidney University
33:39
Speaker 3: go on for week after week after week. What's your
33:43
Speaker 3: take on Mark Scott now offering the protesters the actual
33:46
Speaker 3: protesters themselves to appoint people to join in a review
33:50
Speaker 3: of university policy.
33:53
Speaker 8: Nobody could believe that he wasn't shutting the encampment down
33:57
Speaker 8: on the very first day. No one can possibly comprehend
34:02
Speaker 8: how he's now rewarding them after five weeks of disruption,
34:06
Speaker 8: five weeks of intimidation on campus, and now he's rewarding
34:11
Speaker 8: these people by saying, yeah, sure, come be representatives and
34:14
Speaker 8: review all of our ties to Israel, etcetera, etc. It's ridiculous.
34:19
Speaker 8: And the thing is these students do and half of
34:22
Speaker 8: them aren't students. By the way, a lot of them
34:24
Speaker 8: are not students. The leaders of this protest are not students.
34:28
Speaker 3: The main organizer when I was there was open. Now
34:30
Speaker 3: he's with the Palestinian Action GROUPES, not at the UNI,
34:33
Speaker 3: never been to the UNI.
34:34
Speaker 8: They're not students and they don't represent actual students. I
34:37
Speaker 8: have had dozens of students come up to me and
34:40
Speaker 8: DM me on Instagram and say they are so fed up.
34:44
Speaker 8: Graduation photos ruined, classes moved and canceled, exams disrupted. It's ridiculous.
34:49
Speaker 2: It has to stop.
34:50
Speaker 8: They do not represent Sydney Union students and it should
34:53
Speaker 8: not be allowed to continue, let alone rewarded.
34:56
Speaker 3: Well, think about what Mark Scott is saying about his university.
35:00
Speaker 2: It has agreements to work with the.
35:04
Speaker 3: Israeli universities and Israeli research organizations, and it has agreements
35:09
Speaker 3: and sponsorships with some defense companies that help with research
35:12
Speaker 3: and all sort of Every university has these sorts of arrangements.
35:15
Speaker 2: He's showing a complete.
35:16
Speaker 3: Lack of lack of faith in his own arrangements. He's
35:20
Speaker 3: owned policies because he's saying, let's put them up for
35:23
Speaker 3: review and let's grab these feral radicals who are protesting
35:27
Speaker 3: for five weeks that can be part of the review.
35:29
Speaker 8: It's nuts, and so we already know that. Apparently these
35:33
Speaker 8: students have rejected the deal put forward by Mark Scott
35:36
Speaker 8: because they want total divestment, total cutting of ties with Israel.
35:41
Speaker 8: Because of course it's never about Palestine, it's always about
35:45
Speaker 8: hating Israel. So unless you put a stop to them,
35:48
Speaker 8: it will not stop. Because these people don't want peace.
35:51
Speaker 8: They don't want, you know, to come together in unity.
35:54
Speaker 8: All they want is more division, more hatred, more fear,
35:56
Speaker 8: more polarization until we can finally crush any support of
36:01
Speaker 8: Israel at our university.
36:02
Speaker 2: Well, weakness is provocative.
36:04
Speaker 3: Mark Scott's already tried to appease them when they say,
36:07
Speaker 3: bugger off, what's he going to come back with next?
36:09
Speaker 8: Appeasement will not work. The encampment must end. And if
36:14
Speaker 8: Mark Scott is not strong enough to end the encampment,
36:17
Speaker 8: then he should resign.
36:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've said the same. It's as untenable as it is.
36:22
Speaker 3: He's shown a lack of confidence in his own policies.
36:25
Speaker 3: He's caved into the threats of a small band of protesters. Really,
36:29
Speaker 3: he obviously hasn't got the stomach for the job. He
36:32
Speaker 3: should resign Mark Scott. I want to just show you
36:34
Speaker 3: something of what Julia Gillard said on Never Again last night,
36:38
Speaker 3: because I want to get your thoughts on it. Here's
36:40
Speaker 3: Julia Gillard, the former Labor Prime minister.
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Speaker 20: It worries me that people get their understanding of history
36:48
Speaker 20: of social media without ever touching any of the real
36:53
Speaker 20: facts people can sign And because of that, I think
37:00
Speaker 20: particularly young people developing views about this which are unbalanced
37:06
Speaker 20: and really not informed by the history in any way.
37:10
Speaker 3: Julia Gillard there, Freyer, I thought she was particularly impressive
37:13
Speaker 3: last night.
37:14
Speaker 2: Do you think she's right there?
37:15
Speaker 3: Do you think of that a lot of the university students,
37:17
Speaker 3: even some of those involved in the protests, really don't
37:20
Speaker 3: understand the issues and the history they're dealing.
37:22
Speaker 8: With one hundred percent. I walked around the encampment last
37:25
Speaker 8: week and I asked every person I could find, do
37:28
Speaker 8: you condemn her mass? And they wouldn't say anything. Do
37:31
Speaker 8: you believe October seven happened? And they wouldn't say anything?
37:34
Speaker 8: And it's partly because they've been absolutely brainwashed by her
37:38
Speaker 8: mass and Iranian fundamentally Iranian propaganda on social media. My generation,
37:44
Speaker 8: we don't read the news, we don't watch television, we
37:46
Speaker 8: don't listen to the radio. The only place you get
37:49
Speaker 8: your news is social media. And the way it's structured,
37:52
Speaker 8: with algorithms that are based around clicks and views, it
37:56
Speaker 8: rewards the mob the masses, and there are only fifteen
37:59
Speaker 8: million in the world. There aren't that many. It's a tiny,
38:02
Speaker 8: tiny population, and so they're really up against it.
38:06
Speaker 3: So therefore, hasn't the university also let everybody down by
38:09
Speaker 3: just not educating people people totally?
38:12
Speaker 8: Totally? I think Josh Fridenberg's documentary from last night should
38:15
Speaker 8: be mandatory viewing at all of our educational institutions. Particularly
38:19
Speaker 8: our universities.
38:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, said Freyer. I appreciate you joining us again.
38:24
Speaker 3: Congratulations on your fight at the university talking good sense
38:28
Speaker 3: to a lot of people.
38:28
Speaker 2: Thank you Freyer.
38:29
Speaker 3: Leitch there from Sydney University. Now we better get to
38:32
Speaker 3: a break. On the other side of that, we're going
38:34
Speaker 3: to have the Wednesday Wrangle. A few things will catch
38:36
Speaker 3: up on the ABC finally saying something about Laura Tingles
38:40
Speaker 3: claim that we're a racist country.
38:43
Speaker 2: Also a bit more on Robert de Niro.
38:49
Speaker 3: Now let's get into the late Let's get into the
38:52
Speaker 3: Wednesday wrangle with Late Debate Hostless Storer on the desk
38:56
Speaker 3: here with me and of course our friend the broadcaster
38:59
Speaker 3: and the columnist Justin Smith joining us from melbournew I'm
39:03
Speaker 3: going to ask you too to remain silent from him
39:05
Speaker 3: because I'm going to give you some updated news and.
39:07
Speaker 2: Get your thoughts on it.
39:09
Speaker 3: There's a breaking news when it comes to Laura Tingle,
39:11
Speaker 3: the seven thirty political reporter on the ABC. Remember here
39:16
Speaker 3: is what she thinks of her fellow Australians.
39:20
Speaker 11: I mean we are a.
39:21
Speaker 20: Racist capulate's face that we always have been, and it's
39:24
Speaker 20: very depressing to give a license like that I find
39:28
Speaker 20: profoundly depressing and a terrible.
39:30
Speaker 2: Prospect for the next election.
39:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, according to Tingle, we're all racists and Peter Dutton
39:38
Speaker 3: is a shocker because he's trying to inflame racism.
39:40
Speaker 1: Now.
39:41
Speaker 3: I've asked the ABC for an interview with their managing director,
39:44
Speaker 3: David Anderson. No is the answer. I've asked for an
39:47
Speaker 3: interview with the new chair, Kim Williams.
39:49
Speaker 2: No is the answer.
39:50
Speaker 3: But the ABC's finally had something to say. They say
39:53
Speaker 3: that their head of News, Justin Stevens. He says he's
39:55
Speaker 3: caught up with with Laura Tingle, and he says the
39:58
Speaker 3: ABC's editorial standard serve.
40:00
Speaker 2: A vital role, which is kind of amusing.
40:04
Speaker 3: Laura has been reminded of their application at external events
40:09
Speaker 3: as well as in her work.
40:10
Speaker 2: And I have counseled her over her remarks. So there
40:15
Speaker 2: we go.
40:16
Speaker 3: The ABC's Justin Stevens, he's kind of a minnow in
40:19
Speaker 3: the pond compared to Single who's actually the staff representative
40:23
Speaker 3: on the board as well.
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Speaker 2: He's counselor shelter. He's counseled her. What a laugh this
40:28
Speaker 2: is shatter her own coffee.
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Speaker 21: She should, But Kim Williams himself knew mister Chairman has
40:35
Speaker 21: kept storm no comment from him. He started out so strong,
40:40
Speaker 21: saying impartiality, impartiality. If you don't like.
40:43
Speaker 2: It, you can leave.
40:44
Speaker 21: Everyone was like, this new chairman is going to be
40:46
Speaker 21: the saving grace of the ABC.
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Speaker 3: No more of the same.
40:51
Speaker 21: As I pointed out at the time, all it really
40:53
Speaker 21: proved was the fact that he'd read their charter. And
40:58
Speaker 21: it's just more of the same from the ABE and
41:00
Speaker 21: until we see some drastic moves made, like the culling
41:06
Speaker 21: of such a prolific journey. She's been there for a while,
41:09
Speaker 21: behaving in such a way in the ABC putting down
41:12
Speaker 21: their foot and saying, look, you don't get to talk
41:15
Speaker 21: and you don't get to say things like that and
41:17
Speaker 21: remain on our payroll. It's just going to continue more
41:20
Speaker 21: of the same.
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Speaker 3: It's pretty straightforward, justin they're supposed to be objective.
41:24
Speaker 2: They're not.
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Speaker 3: They never do anything about it. They're just run by
41:27
Speaker 3: the staff.
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Speaker 22: Look, you know what I find incredibly interesting about it
41:33
Speaker 22: is even forgetting where anyone works or what they do
41:37
Speaker 22: for a living, but the fact that people have had
41:40
Speaker 22: such a strong reaction to hearing someone say that we
41:44
Speaker 22: are a racist country. I mean, because times we're incredibly fragile,
41:49
Speaker 22: aren't we. We hang on a second, let me say this.
41:52
Speaker 22: I actually I don't think we are a racist country either,
41:54
Speaker 22: because to be a racist country, we would have to
41:57
Speaker 22: have policies in place that, you know, like white Australia
41:59
Speaker 22: po see your stolen generation. That doesn't mean we don't
42:02
Speaker 22: have a problem with racism in Australia. But what I'm
42:05
Speaker 22: fascinated is is just this incredible overreaction to somebody saying
42:10
Speaker 22: it is it must.
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Speaker 2: Be something reaction what you're calling it says something we
42:18
Speaker 2: just lose it.
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Speaker 21: It's got nothing to do with fragility. It's got everything
42:22
Speaker 21: to do with the fact that she's putting words in
42:25
Speaker 21: Dunton's mouth. He was simply talking about the levels of immigration.
42:29
Speaker 21: The poll showed two thirds of Australians onan't it desperately curved.
42:34
Speaker 21: We've currently got a lot going on here ourselves. Meanwhile,
42:37
Speaker 21: the government let in over a million just last year,
42:41
Speaker 21: Like that's not making matter.
42:43
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not Dunton's message.
42:45
Speaker 22: I'm not defend or condemning what she said. I'm just
42:47
Speaker 22: saying that the reaction one's the reaction is the interesting
42:52
Speaker 22: thing to me. When we start around people just go
42:57
Speaker 22: oh no, no, no, no, untrue.
42:59
Speaker 3: It's let me help you out here, justin let me
43:02
Speaker 3: help you out a bit. I don't think anybody it's
43:04
Speaker 3: too fussed about her saying Australia's racist. That's just that
43:09
Speaker 3: just is emblematic of where she sits on the political spectrum.
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Speaker 3: It's the typical line you get from the far left
43:15
Speaker 3: and you hear and it shows how out of touch
43:18
Speaker 3: she is with her fellow Australians. But the key point
43:21
Speaker 3: is here that she's making a hyper political attack against
43:25
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton and she's paid a shed load of money
43:28
Speaker 3: by taxpayers to be an objective reporter under the law
43:33
Speaker 3: of the ABC Charter, and they just flawed the law,
43:36
Speaker 3: and they flawed the.
43:38
Speaker 2: Responsibilities to taxpayers.
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Speaker 3: And guess what, taxpayers don't like the ABC taking their
43:44
Speaker 3: tax dollars under false pretenses.
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Speaker 22: Sure, sure, that's not the interesting part to me. The
43:51
Speaker 22: interesting part to me is the extraordinary reaction to somebody
43:55
Speaker 22: saying something.
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Speaker 2: It's not the first time it's untrue.
43:59
Speaker 21: Justin third tent one percent of Australians weren't born here.
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Speaker 21: That is huge, So to call us a racist country.
44:07
Speaker 22: I do not hear what I said before. I said
44:09
Speaker 22: I didn't think we are a racist country. I said
44:11
Speaker 22: there was a problem with racism in Australia. They are
44:14
Speaker 22: two very different things. That's right, let's move.
44:19
Speaker 2: Let's move on.
44:20
Speaker 3: I thought Justin was going to give the ABC a
44:22
Speaker 3: leaf pass, and he hasn't let us down.
44:25
Speaker 2: I want to get onto inflation. Inflation. Didn't say that
44:28
Speaker 2: the inflations ticked up again. It's ticked up again.
44:32
Speaker 3: We're all in strife, but Jim Charmers thinks it's okay.
44:35
Speaker 2: Have a listen.
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Speaker 16: The monthly inflation figures are more volatile. They don't compare
44:40
Speaker 16: the same goods and services and that's why they bounce
44:43
Speaker 16: around this month. Petrol, private health and international travel with
44:47
Speaker 16: some of the biggest influences. Our expectations for inflation and
44:51
Speaker 16: our forecast aren't changed by today's data.
44:55
Speaker 3: Well, there we go, Jim Charmer's telling us what we
44:57
Speaker 3: all know, everything's going up Justin.
44:59
Speaker 2: Do you give him a you pass or we in
45:01
Speaker 2: strife with interest rates and inflation.
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Speaker 22: I didn't give a lead pass to anyone. Let's just
45:06
Speaker 22: clear that up. So you suggesting to me that a
45:08
Speaker 22: politician stood up in Parliament and said something that didn't
45:11
Speaker 22: work out the plan. That's an interesting conundrum, isn't it.
45:14
Speaker 22: What do we think about that? If thought it.
45:16
Speaker 3: Wasn't he going to kill inflation and he's the cost
45:19
Speaker 3: of living squeeze?
45:20
Speaker 2: Oh?
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Speaker 21: Absolutely, And we all know his latest budget is basically
45:24
Speaker 21: banking on the fact that inflation is going to come down.
45:28
Speaker 21: In fact, the government is basing the next election, their
45:32
Speaker 21: election hopes on the fact that that will happen. To
45:34
Speaker 21: the point that we saw this extraordinary playing out between
45:39
Speaker 21: the RBA being like, yeah, we're not really making any
45:42
Speaker 21: of the sort kind of promises regarding inflation and charmers
45:46
Speaker 21: who is just this rosy cheete ever optimist. Oh no,
45:51
Speaker 21: it's going to come down. It's all going to be fine.
45:53
Speaker 21: Just hanging there for now. But things are looking up
45:56
Speaker 21: while nothing reflects that whatsoever.
45:58
Speaker 2: No, it looks pretty ominous.
46:00
Speaker 1: I would have thought.
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Speaker 3: I think their strategy, their reelections strategy is looking a
46:03
Speaker 3: bit dodgy on that economic front.
46:05
Speaker 2: Let's get to the immigration chaos.
46:08
Speaker 3: And Andrew Giles justin we now know that his direction
46:12
Speaker 3: number ninety nine was wrong. They're admitting it's they put
46:16
Speaker 3: it in last year. They're admitting it led to the criminals,
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Speaker 3: rapists and the like staying in Australia even though they're
46:25
Speaker 3: not citizens. And they're going to revise the directive. Andrew
46:30
Speaker 3: Giles is going to come up with a new one.
46:32
Speaker 2: Should he go? Should he resign for making such a
46:34
Speaker 2: fundamental error.
46:36
Speaker 22: Look, I mean the repercussions of this have just been
46:40
Speaker 22: a nightmare for this country. And look, I'm lucky. If
46:44
Speaker 22: they want to sack Giles, well that's one thing, that's fine.
46:48
Speaker 22: But I think there's a bigger issue here than just
46:51
Speaker 22: claiming a political scalp, because I think one of the
46:54
Speaker 22: big problems that we have here in Australia is when
46:56
Speaker 22: we sack somebody, we sack a minister, or we sack
46:59
Speaker 22: a CEO or something, we think, oh great, everything's done
47:01
Speaker 22: and dusted. Clearly, the problem with this goes well and
47:05
Speaker 22: truly beyond just one minister. As I said, Look, if
47:07
Speaker 22: they want to sack him off, the Opposition wants to
47:09
Speaker 22: call for it and it all happens, that's no problem
47:12
Speaker 22: at all.
47:12
Speaker 2: But the problem is far bigger than that.
47:14
Speaker 22: It runs through the government, it runs through the departments,
47:17
Speaker 22: it runs through the entire culture that is happening here,
47:21
Speaker 22: and that's what we need to look at. Sacked one person,
47:24
Speaker 22: but think we've fixed it.
47:26
Speaker 3: But as the directive in black and whiteness created the
47:28
Speaker 3: problem as well as and the thing he is is,
47:31
Speaker 3: you need someone to fix it, and this is obviously hopeless.
47:34
Speaker 21: Well he created it, so it's rather stupid to get
47:37
Speaker 21: the same person who created the problem to try and
47:39
Speaker 21: fix it now. But we heard in a Senate Estimates
47:42
Speaker 21: hearing just yesterday the Department told him this direction ninety
47:47
Speaker 21: nine is going to result in more criminals being will
47:51
Speaker 21: be unable to deport them. He went ahead with it anyway,
47:55
Speaker 21: So this is fairly and squarely on his shoulders. And
47:58
Speaker 21: when you've got front pages like the old today talking
48:01
Speaker 21: about an immigrant who a serial rapist, twenty five women,
48:06
Speaker 21: one child, and he's allowed to stay, where's the line,
48:11
Speaker 21: what's the lucky number? Thirty five women? Forty What gets
48:16
Speaker 21: these animals deported out of our country? Certainly not Giles,
48:22
Speaker 21: But the fact that Albo has allowed it to get
48:24
Speaker 21: this bad and is still not fired or even you know,
48:28
Speaker 21: intimated that he might fire him stand him down, just
48:32
Speaker 21: goes to show there's nothing this guy can do. There's
48:35
Speaker 21: no level of terribleness this situation can reach that will
48:39
Speaker 21: actually get him ousted from the position.
48:42
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
48:42
Speaker 21: Although we do keep hearing these misbits.
48:44
Speaker 22: Let's make sure it doesn't really, Let's make sure a
48:47
Speaker 22: sack somebody.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but obviously Albow was all right behind this direction
48:51
Speaker 3: ninety nine. So that's the thing Albou wanted to appease,
48:54
Speaker 3: just Cindra doing so exactly.
48:55
Speaker 2: We can't blame it all on his mate. We're nearly
48:58
Speaker 2: out of time, nearly out of time. I just have
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Speaker 2: to ask you, justin given you're coming to us from Melbourne.
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Speaker 3: Your premier there yesterday announced a Parliamentary Secretary for men's
49:08
Speaker 3: behavior change. Has that parliamentary secretary managed to change your
49:13
Speaker 3: behavior yet?
49:15
Speaker 2: I haven't. Look.
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Speaker 22: I think we've had a look. The issue is just
49:20
Speaker 22: so ridiculously serious and it does need to change. I'm
49:24
Speaker 22: not sure if appointing a parliamentary secretary is going to
49:26
Speaker 22: do the job print as to what the brief is.
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Speaker 22: But I think that's the point. I think that's the point.
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Speaker 22: I think that's the point.
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Speaker 3: Keeping the bad guys in jail might do more than
49:36
Speaker 3: having a Minister for men's behavioral change. If you can't
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Speaker 3: be sweeping enough, thanks for joining us. Justin Smith and
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Speaker 3: ALISTAA can't wait to catch up with you next week.
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Speaker 3: It is almost six o'clock.
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Speaker 2: I better go. He's pit A credline