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BONUS Judith Hill: Working with Michael Jackson · Music Explored Podcast

• 0:00
  Yeah.
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  So
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  starting
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  off,
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  I
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  mean,
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  this
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  is
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  something
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  that
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  you've.
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  In
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  a
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  way,
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  for
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  myself
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  at
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  least,
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  and
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  probably
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  a
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  lot
• 0:07
  of
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  other
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  musicians
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  and
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  just
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  people
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  like
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  me
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  have
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  worked
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  with
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  some
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  of
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  the
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  greats,
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  and
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  one
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  in
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  particular
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  is
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  really
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  just
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  a
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  standout.
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  So
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  I
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  got
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  to
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  ask
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  you
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  about
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  this
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  before
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  we
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  even
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  get
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  started.
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  And
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  that's
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  your
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  work
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  with
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  Michael
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  Jackson.
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  Can
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  you
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  just
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  kind
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  of
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  just
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  tell
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  us
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  in
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  a
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  nutshell
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  how
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  that
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  came
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  to
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  be
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  and
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  we'll
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  go
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  from
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  there?
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  Yeah,
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  I
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  mean,
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  it
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  was
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  very
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  much
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  a.
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  I
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  was
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  picked
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  out
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  of
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  obscurity,
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  really.
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  I
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  was
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  playing
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  around
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  town
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  in
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  la,
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  like,
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  jazz
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  jam
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  nights,
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  and
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  about
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  to
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  work
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  at
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  a
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  clothing
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  store,
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  and
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  I
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  went
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  to
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  one
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  jam
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  and
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  one
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  of
• 0:48
  the
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  musicians
• 0:48
  there
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  was
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  like,
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  hey,
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  you
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  know,
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  you're
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  really
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  awesome.
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  Love
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  your
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  sound.
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  I
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  happen
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  to
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  know.
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  Michael
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  Jackson's
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  MD
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  and
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  they're
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  putting
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  together
• 0:58
  auditions
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  and
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  would
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  you
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  like
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  to
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  just
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  audition
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  for
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  it?
• 1:02
  I
• 1:02
  was
• 1:02
  just
• 1:02
  like,
• 1:03
  what?
• 1:03
  You
• 1:03
  know,
• 1:03
  it
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  just
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  came
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  out
• 1:04
  of
• 1:04
  nowhere.
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  So
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  I'm
• 1:05
  thinking,
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  like,
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  it's
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  going
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  to
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  be
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  like
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  another
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  American
• 1:08
  Idol
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  situation,
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  like,
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  million
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  people
• 1:11
  auditioning.
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  So
• 1:12
  I
• 1:12
  was
• 1:12
  like,
• 1:12
  yeah,
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  sure,
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  you
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  know,
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  like,
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  whatever.
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  Yeah.
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  Ended
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  up
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  being
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  like,
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  him
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  calling
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  me
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  or
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  the
• 1:20
  musician
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  I
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  was
• 1:21
  friends
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  with.
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  Hey,
• 1:23
  you
• 1:23
  know,
• 1:24
  change
• 1:24
  your.
• 1:24
  Your
• 1:24
  profile
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  picture
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  on
• 1:25
  my.
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  At
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  the
• 1:26
  time,
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  as
• 1:26
  MySpace
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  on
• 1:27
  MySpace,
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  because
• 1:28
  Michael's
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  on.
• 1:29
  Michael's
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  on
• 1:30
  your
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  page
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  right
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  now
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  and
• 1:31
  he's
• 1:31
  trying
• 1:31
  to
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  see
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  what
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  you
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  look
• 1:32
  like.
• 1:32
  I'm
• 1:32
  like,
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  michael
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  Jackson's
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  on
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  my
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  MySpace
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  page.
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  It
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  was
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  like
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  the
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  crazy.
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  Damn.
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  So
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  basically
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  it
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  ended
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  up
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  being
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  me
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  just
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  coming
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  in
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  and
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  auditioning,
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  singing
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  like,
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  Remember
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  the
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  Time
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  and
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  man
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  in
• 1:47
  the
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  Mirror
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  and,
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  like,
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  just
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  a
• 1:49
  couple
• 1:49
  other
• 1:49
  massive
• 1:50
  hits
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  with
• 1:51
  the
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  vocal
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  director
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  at
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  his
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  house.
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  At
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  the
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  vocal
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  director's
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  house.
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  And
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  me
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  and
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  this
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  other
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  girl
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  was
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  auditioning
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  and
• 1:57
  wow.
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  Like,
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  a
• 1:59
  week
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  later
• 2:00
  they
• 2:00
  just
• 2:00
  called
• 2:00
  and
• 2:01
  said,
• 2:01
  yeah,
• 2:01
  you
• 2:01
  got
• 2:01
  the
• 2:01
  gig.
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  Wow.
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  So
• 2:03
  it
• 2:03
  was
• 2:03
  just
• 2:03
  like
• 2:03
  this
• 2:04
  crazy.
• 2:05
  Yeah,
• 2:05
  just
• 2:05
  like
• 2:06
  that.
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  Yeah,
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  man.
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  Okay.
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  Did
• 2:09
  you
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  hear
• 2:10
  other
• 2:10
  musicians
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  stories
• 2:11
  that
• 2:11
  were
• 2:12
  on
• 2:12
  that
• 2:12
  team?
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  Did
• 2:13
  they
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  have
• 2:13
  similar
• 2:13
  stories?
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  They
• 2:14
  were
• 2:14
  just
• 2:15
  picked
• 2:15
  out
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  based
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  on
• 2:17
  merit
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  only,
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  I
• 2:18
  think.
• 2:19
  Yeah.
• 2:19
  I
• 2:19
  think
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  a
• 2:20
  lot
• 2:20
  of
• 2:20
  the
• 2:20
  band
• 2:20
  was
• 2:21
  assembled
• 2:21
  by,
• 2:23
  you
• 2:23
  know,
• 2:23
  merit
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  of
• 2:24
  people
• 2:24
  that
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  they
• 2:25
  knew
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  or
• 2:26
  recommendations.
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  I
• 2:29
  know.
• 2:29
  I
• 2:29
  do
• 2:29
  know
• 2:30
  that
• 2:30
  they
• 2:30
  did
• 2:30
  hold,
• 2:31
  like,
• 2:31
  a
• 2:31
  big
• 2:32
  audition
• 2:32
  for
• 2:32
  the
• 2:33
  singers
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  and
• 2:34
  didn't
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  really
• 2:35
  find
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  someone.
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  And
• 2:36
  then
• 2:36
  that's
• 2:36
  when
• 2:36
  it
• 2:36
  went
• 2:36
  to,
• 2:37
  like,
• 2:37
  personal
• 2:37
  references,
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  which
• 2:38
  is
• 2:38
  where,
• 2:39
  you
• 2:39
  know.
• 2:40
  Yeah,
• 2:40
  yeah.
• 2:41
  So
• 2:41
  they
• 2:41
  were
• 2:42
  really
• 2:42
  specific
• 2:42
  about
• 2:42
  what
• 2:43
  they
• 2:43
  were
• 2:43
  looking
• 2:43
  for.
• 2:44
  Yeah.
• 2:45
  And
• 2:45
  I
• 2:45
  was
• 2:45
  just,
• 2:45
  you
• 2:45
  know,
• 2:45
  I
• 2:45
  was
• 2:46
  just
• 2:46
  a
• 2:46
  random
• 2:46
  kid
• 2:46
  in
• 2:46
  la.
• 2:47
  I
• 2:47
  hadn't
• 2:47
  done
• 2:47
  anything
• 2:48
  at
• 2:48
  that
• 2:48
  Point.
• 2:48
  So
• 2:49
  it
• 2:49
  was
• 2:49
  very
• 2:50
  kind
• 2:51
  of
• 2:51
  confusing
• 2:51
  to
• 2:51
  me,
• 2:51
  but
• 2:51
  it
• 2:52
  was,
• 2:52
  you
• 2:52
  know,
• 2:52
  amazing
• 2:53
  and
• 2:53
  incredible.
• 2:54
  That's.
• 2:55
  That's
• 2:55
  crazy,
• 2:55
  because
• 2:56
  my
• 2:56
  next
• 2:56
  question
• 2:56
  was
• 2:57
  gonna
• 2:57
  lead
• 2:57
  towards
• 2:58
  what
• 2:58
  you
• 2:58
  were
• 2:58
  doing
• 2:58
  right
• 2:59
  before
• 2:59
  that.
• 2:59
  So
• 3:00
  I
• 3:00
  would
• 3:00
  have
• 3:00
  imagined.
• 3:01
  I'm
• 3:01
  sure
• 3:01
  a
• 3:01
  lot
• 3:01
  of
• 3:01
  us
• 3:02
  would
• 3:02
  have,
• 3:02
  that
• 3:02
  you
• 3:02
  had
• 3:03
  this,
• 3:03
  you
• 3:03
  know,
• 3:03
  whole
• 3:04
  big
• 3:04
  music
• 3:04
  thing
• 3:04
  going
• 3:05
  that
• 3:05
  led
• 3:05
  up
• 3:05
  to
• 3:06
  that
• 3:06
  point.
• 3:08
  So
• 3:08
  that
• 3:08
  in
• 3:08
  itself
• 3:08
  is
• 3:08
  nuts.
• 3:09
  So
• 3:10
  what
• 3:10
  happened
• 3:11
  next?
• 3:13
  After
• 3:13
  that?
• 3:13
  I
• 3:14
  ended
• 3:14
  up,
• 3:15
  you
• 3:15
  know,
• 3:15
  getting
• 3:15
  the
• 3:15
  gig
• 3:16
  and
• 3:16
  right
• 3:16
  away
• 3:17
  went
• 3:17
  into
• 3:18
  rehearsals
• 3:18
  because
• 3:18
  the
• 3:18
  band
• 3:19
  was
• 3:19
  already
• 3:19
  rehearsing.
• 3:20
  So
• 3:21
  I
• 3:21
  jumped
• 3:21
  in,
• 3:21
  in
• 3:21
  the
• 3:22
  middle
• 3:22
  of
• 3:22
  it
• 3:22
  and
• 3:22
  just
• 3:23
  kind
• 3:23
  of
• 3:23
  got
• 3:23
  thrown
• 3:23
  into
• 3:23
  the
• 3:23
  fire
• 3:24
  and
• 3:24
  we
• 3:25
  started
• 3:25
  rehearsing,
• 3:26
  and,
• 3:27
  you
• 3:27
  know,
• 3:27
  Michael
• 3:28
  joined
• 3:29
  the
• 3:29
  rehearsal,
• 3:30
  some
• 3:30
  of
• 3:30
  them.
• 3:30
  And
• 3:31
  then,
• 3:31
  like,
• 3:32
  first
• 3:33
  rodeo
• 3:33
  to
• 3:33
  singing,
• 3:34
  you
• 3:34
  know,
• 3:34
  I
• 3:34
  Just
• 3:34
  Can't
• 3:35
  Stop
• 3:35
  Loving
• 3:35
  you
• 3:36
  was
• 3:36
  the
• 3:37
  one
• 3:37
  that's
• 3:37
  in.
• 3:37
  This
• 3:37
  is
• 3:37
  it.
• 3:38
  That
• 3:38
  was
• 3:38
  kind
• 3:38
  of
• 3:38
  like
• 3:39
  the
• 3:39
  first
• 3:39
  time
• 3:39
  he
• 3:40
  stepped
• 3:40
  in
• 3:40
  and
• 3:40
  was
• 3:41
  like,
• 3:41
  all
• 3:41
  right,
• 3:41
  get
• 3:42
  up
• 3:42
  there,
• 3:42
  Judith.
• 3:42
  Go
• 3:42
  ahead
• 3:43
  and
• 3:43
  just
• 3:43
  try
• 3:43
  it
• 3:43
  with
• 3:43
  him.
• 3:44
  So
• 3:44
  that
• 3:45
  was
• 3:45
  just
• 3:45
  kind
• 3:45
  of
• 3:45
  a
• 3:45
  wild.
• 3:46
  I
• 3:47
  didn't
• 3:47
  realize
• 3:47
  at
• 3:47
  the
• 3:47
  time
• 3:48
  that
• 3:48
  I
• 3:48
  just
• 3:49
  thought
• 3:49
  we
• 3:49
  were
• 3:49
  gonna
• 3:49
  sing
• 3:49
  it
• 3:49
  because
• 3:50
  it
• 3:50
  was
• 3:50
  like
• 3:50
  a
• 3:51
  ballad.
• 3:52
  Okay,
• 3:52
  this
• 3:52
  is
• 3:52
  pretty.
• 3:53
  It's
• 3:53
  gonna
• 3:53
  be
• 3:53
  pretty.
• 3:54
  I
• 3:54
  didn't
• 3:54
  realize
• 3:54
  there's
• 3:55
  gonna
• 3:55
  be
• 3:55
  that
• 3:55
  much,
• 3:55
  like,
• 3:56
  movement.
• 3:56
  Like,
• 3:57
  he
• 3:57
  was
• 3:57
  just,
• 3:58
  like,
• 3:59
  using
• 3:59
  the
• 3:59
  whole
• 3:59
  scene,
• 4:00
  dancing
• 4:01
  around.
• 4:01
  I
• 4:01
  was
• 4:01
  like,
• 4:01
  oh,
• 4:01
  my
• 4:02
  God,
• 4:02
  I
• 4:02
  never
• 4:03
  thought
• 4:03
  that
• 4:03
  that
• 4:03
  would
• 4:04
  happen
• 4:04
  on
• 4:04
  this
• 4:04
  song.
• 4:04
  So
• 4:05
  it
• 4:05
  was
• 4:05
  a
• 4:05
  roller
• 4:05
  coaster
• 4:06
  for
• 4:06
  sure.
• 4:07
  Geez.
• 4:08
  How
• 4:08
  did
• 4:08
  you
• 4:08
  feel
• 4:08
  in
• 4:09
  that
• 4:09
  moment?
• 4:10
  I
• 4:10
  mean,
• 4:10
  it
• 4:10
  was.
• 4:10
  It
• 4:10
  was
• 4:11
  surreal
• 4:11
  because
• 4:11
  he
• 4:12
  was
• 4:12
  sort
• 4:12
  of
• 4:12
  just,
• 4:12
  like,
• 4:13
  very
• 4:14
  much.
• 4:14
  Like,
• 4:15
  I
• 4:15
  felt
• 4:15
  like
• 4:16
  I
• 4:16
  was
• 4:17
  thrown
• 4:17
  into,
• 4:17
  like,
• 4:17
  a
• 4:18
  tango
• 4:18
  dance
• 4:18
  in
• 4:19
  Argentina
• 4:19
  or
• 4:19
  something,
• 4:20
  because
• 4:21
  he
• 4:21
  was
• 4:21
  very
• 4:21
  much,
• 4:22
  like,
• 4:22
  throwing
• 4:23
  me
• 4:23
  around.
• 4:23
  And
• 4:23
  just,
• 4:23
  like,
• 4:24
  he
• 4:24
  had
• 4:24
  all
• 4:24
  these
• 4:24
  ideas
• 4:25
  of,
• 4:25
  like,
• 4:25
  how
• 4:25
  it
• 4:26
  should
• 4:26
  be
• 4:26
  choreographed.
• 4:27
  And
• 4:27
  so
• 4:27
  I
• 4:28
  was
• 4:28
  basically
• 4:28
  kind
• 4:28
  of
• 4:29
  pinching
• 4:29
  myself
• 4:29
  at
• 4:29
  the
• 4:29
  time,
• 4:29
  like,
• 4:30
  yeah,
• 4:30
  you're
• 4:30
  singing
• 4:31
  with
• 4:31
  Michael
• 4:31
  Jackson
• 4:31
  right
• 4:32
  now.
• 4:35
  For
• 4:35
  those
• 4:36
  who
• 4:36
  don't
• 4:36
  know,
• 4:37
  which
• 4:37
  I
• 4:37
  would
• 4:37
  be
• 4:37
  very
• 4:37
  surprised,
• 4:38
  but
• 4:38
  I'm
• 4:38
  sure
• 4:39
  somebody
• 4:39
  doesn't.
• 4:41
  We're
• 4:41
  talking
• 4:42
  specifically
• 4:42
  about
• 4:43
  the
• 4:43
  rehearsals
• 4:43
  for
• 4:44
  Michael
• 4:44
  Jackson's
• 4:45
  this
• 4:45
  Is
• 4:45
  it
• 4:45
  tour.
• 4:45
  Is
• 4:46
  that
• 4:46
  what
• 4:46
  it
• 4:46
  was
• 4:46
  called
• 4:47
  originally?
• 4:48
  And,
• 4:49
  yeah,
• 4:49
  and
• 4:49
  unfortunately,
• 4:50
  Michael
• 4:51
  Jackson
• 4:51
  passed
• 4:51
  away
• 4:52
  during
• 4:52
  those
• 4:52
  rehearsals.
• 4:53
  And
• 4:53
  then
• 4:54
  footage
• 4:54
  from
• 4:55
  those
• 4:55
  rehearsals
• 4:56
  were
• 4:56
  packaged
• 4:56
  together,
• 4:57
  and
• 4:58
  that
• 4:58
  became
• 4:59
  a
• 4:59
  feature
• 4:59
  film
• 5:00
  that
• 5:00
  you
• 5:00
  could
• 5:01
  see
• 5:01
  in
• 5:01
  theaters,
• 5:01
  and
• 5:02
  I
• 5:02
  think
• 5:02
  all
• 5:02
  of
• 5:03
  us
• 5:03
  did
• 5:03
  here.
• 5:05
  Yeah,
• 5:05
  definitely.
• 5:06
  What
• 5:07
  was.
• 5:07
  I.
• 5:07
  I
• 5:07
  hope
• 5:08
  you
• 5:08
  don't
• 5:08
  mind
• 5:08
  that
• 5:08
  we
• 5:08
  have
• 5:08
  some
• 5:09
  Michael
• 5:09
  Jackson
• 5:09
  questions.
• 5:10
  I
• 5:10
  mean,
• 5:10
  you.
• 5:10
  You.
• 5:11
  You
• 5:11
  spent
• 5:12
  your
• 5:13
  time
• 5:14
  with
• 5:14
  him
• 5:14
  during
• 5:14
  some
• 5:14
  of
• 5:15
  his
• 5:15
  last
• 5:15
  moments.
• 5:16
  What
• 5:16
  was
• 5:16
  he
• 5:17
  like?
• 5:18
  What.
• 5:19
  How
• 5:19
  much
• 5:19
  did
• 5:19
  he
• 5:21
  really.
• 5:22
  I'm
• 5:23
  interested
• 5:23
  because
• 5:24
  in
• 5:24
  this
• 5:24
  Is
• 5:24
  it,
• 5:25
  you
• 5:25
  can
• 5:25
  see
• 5:25
  that
• 5:26
  in
• 5:26
  some
• 5:26
  places,
• 5:27
  he.
• 5:27
  He's
• 5:28
  not
• 5:28
  putting
• 5:28
  in
• 5:29
  the
• 5:29
  full
• 5:29
  energy
• 5:29
  to
• 5:29
  sort
• 5:30
  of
• 5:30
  conserve
• 5:30
  it.
• 5:31
  How
• 5:31
  energetic
• 5:32
  was
• 5:32
  he
• 5:32
  on
• 5:33
  that
• 5:33
  set
• 5:33
  and
• 5:34
  how
• 5:34
  often
• 5:34
  did
• 5:34
  he
• 5:35
  jump
• 5:35
  in
• 5:35
  and
• 5:35
  how
• 5:35
  often
• 5:35
  did
• 5:36
  he
• 5:36
  just
• 5:36
  sit
• 5:36
  back
• 5:36
  and
• 5:36
  watch?
• 5:39
  He
• 5:40
  did
• 5:40
  a
• 5:40
  lot
• 5:40
  of
• 5:40
  blocking.
• 5:41
  He
• 5:41
  wasn't,
• 5:41
  you
• 5:41
  know,
• 5:42
  this
• 5:42
  was.
• 5:42
  These
• 5:42
  were
• 5:42
  her
• 5:43
  rehearsals.
• 5:43
  He
• 5:44
  wasn't
• 5:44
  intending
• 5:45
  to
• 5:45
  go
• 5:45
  full,
• 5:46
  full
• 5:46
  tilt
• 5:46
  on
• 5:47
  everything,
• 5:47
  but
• 5:48
  he
• 5:48
  had
• 5:48
  a
• 5:48
  lot
• 5:48
  of
• 5:48
  energy
• 5:49
  in
• 5:49
  terms
• 5:49
  of
• 5:50
  creativity,
• 5:51
  ideas,
• 5:51
  what
• 5:52
  he
• 5:52
  wanted,
• 5:53
  and
• 5:53
  just
• 5:53
  really.
• 5:56
  There
• 5:56
  were
• 5:56
  times
• 5:56
  where
• 5:56
  he
• 5:57
  did
• 5:57
  actually
• 5:57
  really
• 5:57
  lean
• 5:58
  into
• 5:58
  the
• 5:58
  dances
• 5:58
  and
• 5:59
  we
• 5:59
  were
• 5:59
  all
• 5:59
  just,
• 6:00
  you
• 6:00
  know,
• 6:01
  excited
• 6:01
  to
• 6:02
  see
• 6:02
  him
• 6:02
  go
• 6:02
  into
• 6:02
  it.
• 6:03
  I
• 6:03
  remember
• 6:03
  this
• 6:03
  one
• 6:04
  time
• 6:04
  where
• 6:04
  he
• 6:04
  really
• 6:05
  did
• 6:06
  the
• 6:06
  whole.
• 6:12
  The
• 6:12
  Beat
• 6:12
  it
• 6:12
  dance
• 6:13
  and
• 6:13
  did
• 6:13
  like
• 6:14
  our
• 6:14
  entire
• 6:14
  thing
• 6:15
  for
• 6:15
  us.
• 6:15
  Like,
• 6:15
  he
• 6:16
  didn't.
• 6:16
  He
• 6:16
  didn't,
• 6:17
  like,
• 6:18
  just
• 6:18
  block
• 6:18
  it.
• 6:18
  He
• 6:19
  actually
• 6:19
  did
• 6:19
  it.
• 6:19
  And
• 6:19
  we
• 6:19
  were
• 6:20
  all
• 6:20
  just
• 6:20
  like,
• 6:20
  oh,
• 6:20
  this
• 6:20
  is
• 6:20
  crazy.
• 6:21
  But,
• 6:22
  yeah,
• 6:22
  no,
• 6:22
  I
• 6:22
  mean,
• 6:22
  he
• 6:23
  was
• 6:23
  definitely
• 6:23
  energetic
• 6:24
  and
• 6:24
  had
• 6:24
  a
• 6:25
  lot
• 6:25
  that
• 6:25
  he
• 6:25
  was
• 6:26
  doing
• 6:26
  at
• 6:26
  the
• 6:26
  rehearsal.
• 6:27
  So,
• 6:28
  I
• 6:28
  mean,
• 6:28
  you
• 6:28
  must
• 6:28
  have
• 6:29
  learned
• 6:29
  just
• 6:30
  a
• 6:30
  ton
• 6:30
  from
• 6:30
  that
• 6:31
  experience.
• 6:31
  And
• 6:32
  I'm
• 6:32
  a
• 6:32
  true
• 6:32
  believer
• 6:33
  that
• 6:33
  genius
• 6:33
  leaves
• 6:34
  clues.
• 6:34
  And
• 6:35
  I
• 6:35
  mean,
• 6:35
  for
• 6:35
  a
• 6:36
  lot
• 6:36
  of
• 6:36
  us,
• 6:36
  we've
• 6:36
  seen,
• 6:37
  I
• 6:38
  guess,
• 6:38
  the
• 6:38
  after
• 6:38
  result,
• 6:39
  just
• 6:39
  as
• 6:39
  far
• 6:39
  as
• 6:40
  your
• 6:40
  work
• 6:40
  goes
• 6:42
  from
• 6:42
  that
• 6:43
  point
• 6:43
  to
• 6:43
  where
• 6:43
  you
• 6:43
  are
• 6:43
  now
• 6:44
  is
• 6:44
  pretty
• 6:44
  tremendous
• 6:45
  to
• 6:45
  watch
• 6:45
  you
• 6:45
  perform
• 6:46
  and
• 6:46
  everything
• 6:47
  that
• 6:47
  you
• 6:47
  do
• 6:47
  and
• 6:47
  that
• 6:47
  you've
• 6:48
  been
• 6:48
  involved
• 6:48
  with,
• 6:49
  from
• 6:49
  your
• 6:49
  music
• 6:49
  to
• 6:50
  your
• 6:50
  writing.
• 6:51
  So
• 6:51
  I
• 6:52
  guess
• 6:52
  just
• 6:52
  kind
• 6:53
  of
• 6:53
  following
• 6:53
  up
• 6:53
  on
• 6:53
  Michael
• 6:54
  Jackson
• 6:54
  in
• 6:54
  that
• 6:55
  time
• 6:55
  in
• 6:55
  your
• 6:55
  life,
• 6:56
  kind
• 6:56
  of
• 6:56
  what
• 6:57
  catapulted,
• 6:58
  I
• 6:58
  think,
• 6:58
  your
• 6:58
  career
• 6:59
  in
• 6:59
  some
• 6:59
  ways,
• 6:59
  at
• 7:00
  least.
• 7:00
  What
• 7:01
  would
• 7:01
  you
• 7:01
  say
• 7:02
  some
• 7:02
  of
• 7:02
  the
• 7:02
  greatest
• 7:03
  lessons
• 7:03
  were
• 7:04
  from
• 7:04
  that
• 7:04
  period?
• 7:06
  I
• 7:06
  think
• 7:07
  one
• 7:07
  of
• 7:08
  the
• 7:08
  greatest
• 7:08
  lessons
• 7:09
  was
• 7:09
  just.
• 7:11
  Seeing
• 7:12
  how
• 7:12
  big
• 7:13
  and
• 7:13
  the
• 7:13
  scope
• 7:14
  of
• 7:14
  how
• 7:15
  impactful
• 7:16
  you
• 7:16
  can
• 7:16
  use
• 7:17
  music
• 7:18
  to
• 7:18
  touch
• 7:18
  and
• 7:19
  inspire
• 7:19
  people.
• 7:20
  I
• 7:20
  hadn't
• 7:21
  seen
• 7:21
  it
• 7:21
  on
• 7:21
  such
• 7:22
  a
• 7:22
  big
• 7:22
  scale
• 7:22
  like
• 7:23
  that.
• 7:23
  And
• 7:24
  to
• 7:24
  be
• 7:24
  a
• 7:24
  part
• 7:25
  of
• 7:25
  Michael's
• 7:26
  stage
• 7:26
  was
• 7:26
  really.
• 7:28
  Inspirational
• 7:29
  for
• 7:29
  me.
• 7:30
  As
• 7:30
  a
• 7:30
  dreamer.
• 7:31
  I've
• 7:31
  always
• 7:31
  been
• 7:32
  sort
• 7:32
  of
• 7:32
  a
• 7:32
  kid
• 7:32
  that
• 7:34
  loved
• 7:34
  fantasy
• 7:35
  films
• 7:36
  and
• 7:36
  always
• 7:36
  saw
• 7:37
  music
• 7:37
  as
• 7:37
  like,
• 7:37
  sort
• 7:38
  of
• 7:38
  this
• 7:38
  whimsical
• 7:39
  vehicle
• 7:40
  that
• 7:40
  transports
• 7:41
  people
• 7:41
  into
• 7:41
  this
• 7:42
  other
• 7:42
  dimension
• 7:42
  and
• 7:43
  really,
• 7:44
  like,
• 7:44
  elevates
• 7:45
  the
• 7:45
  human
• 7:45
  experience.
• 7:46
  And
• 7:46
  so
• 7:47
  Michael
• 7:47
  was
• 7:47
  like
• 7:47
  one
• 7:48
  of
• 7:48
  the
• 7:48
  epitomes
• 7:48
  of
• 7:49
  that.
• 7:50
  And
• 7:50
  his
• 7:50
  ability
• 7:51
  to
• 7:51
  really
• 7:51
  dream
• 7:52
  big
• 7:52
  and
• 7:53
  to
• 7:53
  realize
• 7:53
  the
• 7:54
  dream
• 7:54
  in
• 7:55
  such
• 7:55
  a
• 7:55
  powerful
• 7:55
  and
• 7:56
  visual
• 7:56
  way
• 7:57
  and
• 7:57
  also
• 7:58
  instill
• 7:59
  meaning
• 8:00
  and
• 8:00
  package
• 8:01
  that
• 8:01
  meaning
• 8:01
  and
• 8:02
  become
• 8:02
  like
• 8:02
  this
• 8:03
  prophet
• 8:03
  figure.
• 8:04
  Really
• 8:04
  seeing
• 8:05
  that
• 8:05
  on
• 8:05
  such
• 8:06
  a
• 8:07
  close
• 8:07
  and
• 8:08
  personal
• 8:09
  level
• 8:09
  really
• 8:10
  changed
• 8:10
  my
• 8:11
  understanding
• 8:12
  because
• 8:12
  I
• 8:12
  was.
• 8:12
  I
• 8:13
  was
• 8:13
  kind
• 8:13
  of
• 8:13
  a
• 8:13
  nerdy
• 8:15
  composition
• 8:15
  kid.
• 8:15
  I
• 8:16
  studied
• 8:16
  classical
• 8:17
  composition
• 8:18
  prior
• 8:18
  to
• 8:18
  all
• 8:19
  of
• 8:19
  this,
• 8:19
  and
• 8:20
  I
• 8:20
  studied.
• 8:21
  I
• 8:21
  Got
• 8:21
  a
• 8:21
  degree
• 8:21
  in
• 8:21
  music
• 8:21
  composition
• 8:22
  and
• 8:22
  so
• 8:23
  I
• 8:23
  always
• 8:23
  loved
• 8:24
  music
• 8:24
  and
• 8:24
  I
• 8:25
  was
• 8:25
  born
• 8:26
  and
• 8:26
  raised
• 8:26
  in
• 8:26
  a
• 8:27
  family
• 8:27
  of
• 8:27
  musicians,
• 8:28
  you
• 8:28
  know,
• 8:28
  But
• 8:28
  Michael
• 8:29
  was
• 8:29
  my
• 8:29
  first
• 8:30
  experience
• 8:30
  as
• 8:31
  like
• 8:31
  an
• 8:31
  artist
• 8:33
  and
• 8:33
  thinking
• 8:33
  outside
• 8:34
  of
• 8:34
  like
• 8:34
  just
• 8:35
  seeing
• 8:35
  music
• 8:35
  in
• 8:36
  more
• 8:36
  of
• 8:36
  a
• 8:36
  leadership
• 8:37
  position,
• 8:37
  like,
• 8:37
  this
• 8:37
  is
• 8:38
  what
• 8:38
  you
• 8:38
  can
• 8:38
  do.
• 8:39
  This
• 8:39
  is
• 8:39
  how
• 8:39
  you
• 8:39
  can
• 8:40
  weaponize
• 8:40
  music
• 8:41
  to
• 8:41
  bring
• 8:41
  about
• 8:42
  really
• 8:42
  massive
• 8:43
  change.
• 8:43
  And
• 8:43
  so
• 8:43
  that
• 8:44
  was
• 8:44
  really
• 8:44
  powerful
• 8:44
  to
• 8:45
  see.
• 8:45
  Huge.
• 8:45
  Yeah.
• 8:47
  Do
• 8:48
  you,
• 8:48
  do
• 8:48
  you
• 8:49
  like
• 8:49
  writing
• 8:49
  more
• 8:50
  than
• 8:50
  you
• 8:50
  like
• 8:50
  performing?
• 8:54
  I
• 8:54
  like
• 8:54
  them
• 8:54
  both.
• 8:55
  I
• 8:56
  like
• 8:56
  performing
• 8:57
  the
• 8:57
  best
• 8:58
  and
• 8:58
  I
• 8:58
  love
• 8:59
  writing,
• 9:00
  especially
• 9:00
  when,
• 9:01
  you
• 9:01
  know,
• 9:01
  I'm
• 9:01
  in
• 9:02
  the
• 9:02
  zone
• 9:02
  and
• 9:02
  I
• 9:02
  know
• 9:02
  what
• 9:03
  I'm
• 9:03
  going
• 9:03
  for
• 9:03
  and.
• 9:05
  Yeah,
• 9:05
  but
• 9:05
  I
• 9:06
  would
• 9:06
  say
• 9:06
  I'm
• 9:06
  a
• 9:06
  performer.
• 9:07
  I
• 9:07
  love,
• 9:08
  I
• 9:08
  love
• 9:08
  performing.
• 9:10
  Nice.
• 9:11
  Do
• 9:11
  you
• 9:11
  remember
• 9:11
  the
• 9:12
  first
• 9:12
  time
• 9:12
  you
• 9:12
  ever
• 9:12
  went
• 9:13
  on
• 9:13
  stage
• 9:13
  to
• 9:13
  perform
• 9:14
  like
• 9:14
  pre
• 9:14
  Michael
• 9:15
  Jackson?
• 9:15
  Of
• 9:15
  course.
• 9:15
  I
• 9:16
  mean
• 9:16
  like
• 9:16
  as
• 9:16
  a
• 9:16
  young
• 9:16
  kid.
• 9:17
  Yeah,
• 9:18
  I
• 9:18
  mean
• 9:18
  as
• 9:18
  a
• 9:18
  kid
• 9:18
  I
• 9:18
  was
• 9:19
  always
• 9:19
  in
• 9:19
  church
• 9:19
  performing.
• 9:20
  I
• 9:20
  think
• 9:21
  my
• 9:21
  first
• 9:21
  rodeo
• 9:22
  probably
• 9:22
  in
• 9:22
  the
• 9:22
  Kids
• 9:23
  Choir
• 9:23
  at
• 9:23
  4
• 9:23
  years
• 9:24
  old
• 9:24
  or
• 9:24
  5
• 9:24
  years
• 9:24
  old
• 9:24
  or
• 9:25
  something
• 9:25
  like
• 9:25
  that.
• 9:25
  But
• 9:26
  you
• 9:26
  know,
• 9:26
  I
• 9:27
  grew
• 9:27
  up
• 9:27
  in
• 9:27
  a
• 9:28
  very
• 9:29
  special
• 9:29
  church
• 9:29
  where
• 9:30
  there
• 9:30
  were
• 9:30
  a
• 9:30
  lot
• 9:31
  of
• 9:31
  very
• 9:31
  talented
• 9:32
  singers
• 9:32
  and
• 9:33
  people
• 9:33
  there
• 9:34
  at
• 9:34
  that
• 9:34
  church.
• 9:34
  And
• 9:35
  so
• 9:35
  that
• 9:35
  was
• 9:35
  sort
• 9:35
  of
• 9:35
  like
• 9:36
  good
• 9:36
  place
• 9:36
  where
• 9:37
  I
• 9:37
  like
• 9:37
  a
• 9:37
  schooling
• 9:39
  where
• 9:39
  I
• 9:39
  learned
• 9:40
  how
• 9:40
  to
• 9:40
  sing
• 9:40
  and
• 9:41
  perform.
• 9:42
  You
• 9:43
  know,
• 9:43
  it's
• 9:43
  funny,
• 9:43
  I
• 9:43
  didn't.
• 9:44
  I
• 9:44
  never
• 9:44
  actually
• 9:44
  read
• 9:45
  or
• 9:45
  heard
• 9:45
  anywhere
• 9:45
  that
• 9:46
  you
• 9:46
  grew
• 9:46
  up
• 9:46
  playing
• 9:46
  in
• 9:46
  church
• 9:47
  or
• 9:47
  singing
• 9:47
  in
• 9:48
  church.
• 9:48
  But.
• 9:48
  But
• 9:49
  from
• 9:49
  listening
• 9:49
  to
• 9:49
  your
• 9:49
  music
• 9:50
  and
• 9:50
  especially
• 9:50
  your
• 9:50
  piano
• 9:51
  playing,
• 9:51
  although
• 9:52
  you
• 9:52
  have
• 9:52
  the
• 9:52
  classical
• 9:53
  background,
• 9:53
  I
• 9:53
  knew
• 9:54
  right
• 9:54
  away
• 9:54
  you
• 9:54
  could
• 9:55
  definitely
• 9:55
  hear
• 9:55
  the
• 9:55
  influence
• 9:56
  there.
• 9:57
  It's
• 9:57
  so
• 9:57
  strong.
• 9:58
  You
• 9:58
  also
• 9:58
  mentioned
• 9:59
  your
• 9:59
  musical
• 10:00
  family
• 10:01
  and
• 10:02
  I've
• 10:02
  seen
• 10:03
  some
• 10:03
  performances
• 10:04
  where
• 10:04
  you
• 10:04
  have
• 10:05
  your
• 10:05
  mother
• 10:05
  and
• 10:06
  your
• 10:06
  father,
• 10:07
  I
• 10:07
  believe,
• 10:08
  both
• 10:08
  on
• 10:08
  stage
• 10:09
  with
• 10:09
  you.
• 10:10
  I
• 10:10
  could
• 10:10
  imagine.
• 10:11
  I
• 10:11
  mean
• 10:11
  they're
• 10:11
  both
• 10:12
  like
• 10:12
  world
• 10:12
  class
• 10:13
  musicians.
• 10:13
  I
• 10:14
  can
• 10:14
  imagine
• 10:14
  they
• 10:14
  had
• 10:15
  a
• 10:15
  lot
• 10:15
  of
• 10:16
  influence
• 10:16
  on.
• 10:17
  On
• 10:17
  your,
• 10:19
  I
• 10:19
  guess
• 10:19
  your
• 10:19
  journey
• 10:20
  through
• 10:20
  music
• 10:20
  as
• 10:21
  well.
• 10:21
  Yeah,
• 10:21
  absolutely.
• 10:22
  Can
• 10:22
  you
• 10:22
  talk
• 10:23
  to
• 10:23
  us
• 10:23
  a
• 10:23
  little
• 10:23
  bit
• 10:23
  about
• 10:23
  that?
• 10:24
  Yeah,
• 10:25
  I
• 10:25
  mean
• 10:25
  they're
• 10:26
  like
• 10:26
  really
• 10:27
  my
• 10:27
  first
• 10:28
  teachers
• 10:28
  and
• 10:29
  really
• 10:30
  so
• 10:31
  so
• 10:31
  much
• 10:31
  a
• 10:31
  part
• 10:32
  of
• 10:32
  my
• 10:32
  inspiration.
• 10:33
  And
• 10:34
  you
• 10:34
  know,
• 10:34
  my
• 10:35
  dad
• 10:35
  was
• 10:35
  Billy
• 10:35
  Preston's
• 10:36
  bass
• 10:36
  player
• 10:37
  first
• 10:37
  for
• 10:37
  years.
• 10:38
  And
• 10:38
  my
• 10:38
  mom
• 10:39
  is
• 10:39
  jazz
• 10:40
  and
• 10:40
  amazing
• 10:41
  gospel
• 10:42
  piano.
• 10:42
  So
• 10:42
  she,
• 10:42
  she's
• 10:43
  like,
• 10:43
  they're
• 10:43
  really
• 10:43
  much.
• 10:44
  I
• 10:44
  grew
• 10:44
  up
• 10:45
  in
• 10:45
  the,
• 10:45
  in
• 10:45
  the
• 10:46
  house
• 10:46
  just
• 10:46
  kind
• 10:47
  of
• 10:47
  jamming
• 10:47
  at
• 10:47
  home.
• 10:48
  That
• 10:48
  was
• 10:48
  part
• 10:49
  everyday
• 10:50
  life
• 10:50
  is
• 10:50
  like
• 10:50
  get
• 10:50
  up
• 10:51
  on
• 10:51
  the
• 10:51
  instruments
• 10:51
  or
• 10:52
  just
• 10:52
  sing
• 10:52
  and
• 10:53
  record
• 10:53
  music.
• 10:54
  And
• 10:54
  so
• 10:55
  that
• 10:55
  was
• 10:55
  like
• 10:55
  really
• 10:56
  sort
• 10:56
  of
• 10:56
  like
• 10:56
  chapter
• 10:57
  one
• 10:57
  of
• 10:58
  all
• 10:58
  of
• 10:58
  it
• 10:58
  pre
• 10:59
  Everything
• 10:59
  was
• 11:00
  just
• 11:00
  being
• 11:00
  at
• 11:01
  home
• 11:01
  and
• 11:02
  seeing
• 11:02
  all
• 11:02
  these
• 11:02
  people
• 11:03
  like
• 11:03
  around
• 11:04
  us
• 11:04
  like
• 11:04
  Rose
• 11:04
  Stone
• 11:05
  and
• 11:05
  people
• 11:05
  that
• 11:06
  were
• 11:06
  my
• 11:06
  Family,
• 11:07
  friends
• 11:08
  were
• 11:09
  a
• 11:09
  big
• 11:09
  part
• 11:10
  of,
• 11:10
  like,
• 11:11
  my
• 11:11
  upbringing
• 11:11
  and
• 11:12
  how
• 11:12
  I
• 11:12
  grew
• 11:13
  to
• 11:13
  love
• 11:13
  and
• 11:14
  know
• 11:14
  music.
• 11:15
  Amazing.
• 11:16
  Amazing.
• 11:18
  And,
• 11:18
  I
• 11:18
  mean,
• 11:19
  we're
• 11:19
  probably
• 11:19
  a
• 11:19
  little
• 11:19
  bit
• 11:19
  all
• 11:20
  over
• 11:20
  the
• 11:20
  place
• 11:20
  now
• 11:20
  just
• 11:20
  because
• 11:21
  there's
• 11:21
  so
• 11:21
  many
• 11:21
  aspects
• 11:22
  to
• 11:22
  what
• 11:22
  you
• 11:22
  do
• 11:23
  and
• 11:23
  what
• 11:24
  you've
• 11:24
  done
• 11:24
  so
• 11:24
  far.
• 11:25
  Because
• 11:25
  I
• 11:25
  know
• 11:25
  you.
• 11:26
  You're
• 11:26
  a
• 11:26
  musician
• 11:27
  yourself.
• 11:27
  You
• 11:27
  play
• 11:27
  piano,
• 11:28
  you
• 11:28
  play
• 11:28
  guitar,
• 11:29
  maybe
• 11:29
  some
• 11:29
  other
• 11:30
  instruments.
• 11:30
  You
• 11:30
  sing.
• 11:31
  Your
• 11:32
  backup
• 11:32
  work
• 11:32
  has
• 11:33
  already
• 11:33
  spoken
• 11:33
  for
• 11:33
  itself,
• 11:34
  which
• 11:34
  is
• 11:35
  a
• 11:35
  whole
• 11:35
  nother
• 11:36
  thing.
• 11:36
  How
• 11:37
  do
• 11:37
  you
• 11:37
  wear
• 11:37
  all
• 11:37
  these
• 11:38
  different
• 11:38
  hats
• 11:39
  and,
• 11:39
  like,
• 11:39
  is.
• 11:40
  What's
• 11:40
  your
• 11:40
  approach
• 11:40
  to
• 11:42
  say,
• 11:42
  backup
• 11:42
  singing
• 11:43
  versus
• 11:43
  your
• 11:44
  own
• 11:44
  music
• 11:44
  when
• 11:44
  you're
• 11:45
  front
• 11:45
  and
• 11:45
  center?
• 11:49
  I,
• 11:50
  you
• 11:50
  know,
• 11:51
  I
• 11:51
  think
• 11:51
  that
• 11:53
  I
• 11:53
  haven't
• 11:53
  done
• 11:53
  backup
• 11:54
  in
• 11:54
  a
• 11:54
  minute,
• 11:54
  but
• 11:55
  I
• 11:55
  love
• 11:55
  the
• 11:56
  backup
• 11:56
  singers
• 11:57
  because
• 11:57
  they're.
• 11:57
  They're
• 11:58
  really
• 11:58
  such
• 11:58
  a
• 11:59
  very
• 11:59
  important
• 12:00
  piece
• 12:00
  of
• 12:00
  the
• 12:00
  band.
• 12:01
  You
• 12:01
  know,
• 12:01
  they're
• 12:01
  the
• 12:01
  ones
• 12:02
  that
• 12:02
  really
• 12:02
  support
• 12:03
  the
• 12:03
  vocalists
• 12:04
  and
• 12:05
  really
• 12:05
  shape
• 12:05
  the
• 12:05
  sound.
• 12:06
  So
• 12:07
  I
• 12:08
  find
• 12:08
  their
• 12:08
  work
• 12:08
  to
• 12:08
  be
• 12:09
  super
• 12:09
  powerful.
• 12:09
  And
• 12:10
  I
• 12:10
  work
• 12:10
  with
• 12:10
  singers
• 12:11
  now
• 12:11
  who
• 12:11
  are
• 12:11
  in
• 12:11
  my
• 12:12
  band
• 12:12
  who
• 12:12
  I
• 12:12
  just
• 12:13
  absolutely
• 12:13
  love
• 12:13
  singing
• 12:14
  with,
• 12:14
  and
• 12:14
  they're
• 12:14
  like
• 12:15
  friends
• 12:15
  that
• 12:16
  I
• 12:16
  grew
• 12:16
  up
• 12:16
  singing
• 12:16
  with,
• 12:17
  and
• 12:17
  they're
• 12:18
  so.
• 12:18
  I
• 12:18
  love
• 12:18
  that
• 12:19
  so
• 12:19
  much.
• 12:19
  And,
• 12:19
  you
• 12:20
  know,
• 12:20
  as
• 12:20
  far
• 12:20
  as
• 12:20
  everything
• 12:20
  else,
• 12:21
  it's
• 12:21
  been
• 12:21
  just
• 12:21
  this,
• 12:22
  like,
• 12:23
  crazy
• 12:24
  journey
• 12:24
  evolution
• 12:25
  of
• 12:25
  just
• 12:25
  me
• 12:27
  first
• 12:27
  starting
• 12:27
  as
• 12:28
  a.
• 12:28
  As
• 12:29
  a
• 12:29
  kind
• 12:29
  of
• 12:29
  piano
• 12:30
  girl
• 12:30
  and
• 12:30
  then
• 12:31
  going
• 12:31
  into
• 12:31
  the
• 12:31
  composition
• 12:32
  world.
• 12:33
  And,
• 12:33
  you
• 12:33
  know,
• 12:33
  I
• 12:34
  always
• 12:34
  sung
• 12:35
  in
• 12:35
  school
• 12:36
  or
• 12:37
  sung
• 12:37
  growing
• 12:37
  up,
• 12:38
  but
• 12:38
  I
• 12:39
  didn't
• 12:39
  study
• 12:39
  singing.
• 12:40
  I
• 12:40
  was,
• 12:40
  like,
• 12:40
  really
• 12:41
  a
• 12:41
  composer.
• 12:42
  And
• 12:42
  then
• 12:42
  my
• 12:43
  first
• 12:43
  rodeo
• 12:43
  out
• 12:44
  of
• 12:44
  college
• 12:44
  was
• 12:45
  backup
• 12:45
  singing.
• 12:46
  And
• 12:46
  so
• 12:46
  I
• 12:47
  just
• 12:47
  did
• 12:47
  that
• 12:47
  for
• 12:47
  a
• 12:47
  little
• 12:47
  bit.
• 12:48
  And
• 12:48
  then,
• 12:48
  you
• 12:48
  know,
• 12:48
  I
• 12:49
  did
• 12:49
  my
• 12:49
  own
• 12:49
  thing
• 12:50
  and,
• 12:50
  you
• 12:50
  know,
• 12:51
  playing
• 12:51
  the
• 12:51
  instruments
• 12:52
  and
• 12:52
  all
• 12:52
  that.
• 12:52
  So
• 12:53
  it's
• 12:53
  been
• 12:53
  a
• 12:53
  really
• 12:53
  wild
• 12:54
  ride.
• 12:54
  A
• 12:55
  bunch
• 12:55
  of
• 12:55
  stuff,
• 12:55
  you
• 12:56
  know,
• 12:56
  but
• 12:56
  it's
• 12:56
  all
• 12:56
  been
• 12:57
  really,
• 12:57
  you
• 12:57
  know,
• 12:57
  exciting
• 12:58
  chapters.
• 12:59
  Definitely
• 13:00
  love
• 13:00
  it.
• 13:00
  How
• 13:01
  does
• 13:01
  studio
• 13:02
  work
• 13:02
  factor
• 13:02
  into
• 13:03
  this?
• 13:03
  I
• 13:03
  would
• 13:03
  imagine
• 13:04
  as
• 13:04
  a
• 13:04
  composer
• 13:04
  and
• 13:05
  a
• 13:05
  performer,
• 13:06
  the
• 13:06
  studio
• 13:07
  might
• 13:07
  be
• 13:07
  somewhere
• 13:07
  where
• 13:08
  all
• 13:08
  that
• 13:08
  intersects
• 13:09
  for
• 13:09
  you.
• 13:10
  Yeah,
• 13:11
  I
• 13:11
  mean,
• 13:11
  the
• 13:11
  studio
• 13:11
  is
• 13:12
  definitely.
• 13:14
  It's
• 13:15
  an
• 13:15
  exciting
• 13:15
  place
• 13:16
  for
• 13:16
  me
• 13:16
  when
• 13:16
  I.
• 13:17
  I'm
• 13:18
  ready
• 13:18
  to
• 13:18
  do
• 13:18
  a
• 13:18
  new
• 13:18
  record
• 13:19
  and
• 13:19
  I
• 13:19
  have,
• 13:19
  like,
• 13:19
  all
• 13:20
  this
• 13:20
  creative
• 13:20
  jews,
• 13:21
  and
• 13:21
  I'm
• 13:21
  just
• 13:21
  going
• 13:21
  in
• 13:21
  there,
• 13:22
  you
• 13:22
  know,
• 13:23
  I
• 13:23
  love
• 13:23
  the
• 13:24
  studio
• 13:24
  when
• 13:24
  it's,
• 13:24
  like,
• 13:25
  creating
• 13:25
  a
• 13:25
  new
• 13:26
  project.
• 13:27
  But
• 13:28
  I'm
• 13:28
  not
• 13:28
  like
• 13:28
  a
• 13:28
  studio
• 13:29
  rat.
• 13:29
  Like,
• 13:29
  I
• 13:30
  don't
• 13:30
  love
• 13:30
  spending
• 13:31
  all
• 13:31
  my
• 13:31
  time
• 13:31
  in
• 13:32
  studio.
• 13:32
  I'd
• 13:32
  rather
• 13:33
  be,
• 13:33
  you
• 13:34
  know.
• 13:34
  Tell
• 13:34
  us
• 13:34
  about
• 13:35
  that.
• 13:35
  Why
• 13:36
  don't
• 13:36
  you
• 13:36
  like
• 13:36
  the
• 13:36
  studio?
• 13:37
  Because
• 13:37
  we,
• 13:37
  on
• 13:37
  this
• 13:38
  show,
• 13:38
  we
• 13:38
  do
• 13:38
  talk
• 13:38
  about
• 13:39
  the
• 13:39
  positives
• 13:39
  of
• 13:39
  the
• 13:40
  studio
• 13:40
  a
• 13:40
  lot,
• 13:41
  and
• 13:42
  I'd
• 13:42
  like
• 13:42
  to
• 13:43
  hear
• 13:43
  a
• 13:43
  pro's
• 13:43
  Opinion
• 13:44
  on
• 13:44
  what?
• 13:45
  You
• 13:45
  know,
• 13:45
  what,
• 13:46
  what
• 13:47
  don't
• 13:47
  you
• 13:47
  like
• 13:47
  about
• 13:47
  it
• 13:48
  about
• 13:48
  being
• 13:48
  a
• 13:48
  studio
• 13:49
  rat,
• 13:49
  as
• 13:49
  you
• 13:49
  called
• 13:49
  it?
• 13:51
  I
• 13:51
  think
• 13:51
  it
• 13:52
  just
• 13:52
  depends
• 13:52
  on
• 13:53
  the
• 13:53
  season
• 13:53
  for
• 13:53
  me,
• 13:53
  when
• 13:54
  I
• 13:54
  have
• 13:54
  all
• 13:54
  this
• 13:54
  like
• 13:55
  creative
• 13:55
  energy
• 13:55
  and
• 13:55
  I'm
• 13:56
  ready
• 13:56
  to
• 13:56
  go.
• 13:56
  I
• 13:57
  love
• 13:57
  creating,
• 13:58
  but
• 13:58
  I
• 13:58
  think
• 13:58
  that
• 13:59
  I
• 13:59
  don't,
• 14:00
  I
• 14:00
  don't
• 14:00
  like,
• 14:00
  sort
• 14:01
  of
• 14:01
  like
• 14:02
  the
• 14:03
  isolation
• 14:04
  aspect
• 14:04
  of
• 14:04
  it
• 14:04
  or,
• 14:05
  or
• 14:05
  just
• 14:05
  even
• 14:05
  in
• 14:05
  this
• 14:06
  pandemic,
• 14:06
  like,
• 14:07
  of
• 14:07
  all
• 14:07
  right,
• 14:07
  I'm
• 14:08
  just
• 14:08
  gonna
• 14:08
  be
• 14:08
  in
• 14:08
  the
• 14:08
  room
• 14:09
  and
• 14:09
  just
• 14:09
  like,
• 14:10
  I,
• 14:10
  I
• 14:10
  think
• 14:10
  that
• 14:10
  there
• 14:10
  are
• 14:11
  seasons
• 14:11
  where
• 14:11
  I
• 14:11
  enjoy
• 14:12
  that,
• 14:12
  but
• 14:12
  this
• 14:12
  season
• 14:13
  particularly,
• 14:13
  I
• 14:13
  was
• 14:14
  just
• 14:14
  like,
• 14:14
  I
• 14:15
  needed.
• 14:15
  I
• 14:15
  get,
• 14:15
  I
• 14:16
  get
• 14:16
  my
• 14:16
  inspiration
• 14:16
  from
• 14:17
  being
• 14:17
  on
• 14:17
  stages
• 14:18
  and
• 14:18
  that's
• 14:18
  how
• 14:18
  I.
• 14:19
  That
• 14:19
  informs
• 14:19
  me
• 14:20
  of
• 14:20
  what
• 14:20
  I'm
• 14:20
  gonna
• 14:20
  write
• 14:20
  next.
• 14:21
  The
• 14:22
  studio
• 14:22
  is
• 14:22
  a
• 14:22
  winter
• 14:22
  endeavor.
• 14:24
  Yeah.
• 14:25
  Okay.
• 14:25
  So
• 14:26
  when
• 14:26
  I'm
• 14:26
  not
• 14:26
  able
• 14:26
  to
• 14:26
  do
• 14:27
  that,
• 14:28
  you
• 14:28
  know,
• 14:28
  I
• 14:28
  feel
• 14:29
  like
• 14:29
  it
• 14:29
  kind
• 14:29
  of
• 14:30
  messes
• 14:30
  with
• 14:30
  my
• 14:30
  head
• 14:31
  a
• 14:31
  little
• 14:31
  bit
• 14:31
  and
• 14:31
  I'm.
• 14:32
  I'm
• 14:32
  in
• 14:32
  the
• 14:32
  studio
• 14:32
  and
• 14:33
  I'm
• 14:33
  sort
• 14:33
  of
• 14:33
  like
• 14:33
  in
• 14:33
  this
• 14:34
  cocoon
• 14:34
  world,
• 14:35
  which
• 14:35
  I
• 14:35
  don't
• 14:36
  really.
• 14:36
  That's
• 14:36
  not
• 14:37
  the
• 14:37
  type
• 14:37
  of
• 14:37
  energy
• 14:38
  my
• 14:38
  music
• 14:38
  is
• 14:39
  actually
• 14:39
  drawn
• 14:39
  from.
• 14:40
  More
• 14:40
  of
• 14:40
  a
• 14:41
  interactive
• 14:42
  community
• 14:43
  based
• 14:43
  music.
• 14:45
  Like,
• 14:45
  I
• 14:45
  don't
• 14:46
  write
• 14:46
  for
• 14:46
  Spotify.
• 14:47
  Like,
• 14:47
  I
• 14:47
  write,
• 14:48
  I
• 14:48
  write
• 14:48
  thinking
• 14:49
  like,
• 14:49
  okay,
• 14:50
  this
• 14:50
  is
• 14:50
  how
• 14:50
  it's
• 14:50
  gonna
• 14:50
  hit
• 14:51
  when
• 14:51
  we're
• 14:52
  in
• 14:52
  front
• 14:52
  of,
• 14:52
  you
• 14:52
  know,
• 14:53
  200
• 14:54
  people,
• 14:54
  in
• 14:54
  front
• 14:54
  of
• 14:54
  a
• 14:54
  thousand
• 14:55
  people,
• 14:55
  in
• 14:55
  front
• 14:55
  of
• 14:55
  10,000
• 14:56
  people.
• 14:56
  And
• 14:56
  this
• 14:56
  is
• 14:57
  how
• 14:57
  this
• 14:57
  song
• 14:57
  moves
• 14:58
  in
• 14:58
  time
• 14:58
  and
• 14:58
  space.
• 14:59
  And
• 14:59
  that's
• 14:59
  how
• 15:00
  I
• 15:00
  write
• 15:00
  music.
• 15:01
  So
• 15:02
  when
• 15:02
  I'm
• 15:02
  not
• 15:02
  informed
• 15:03
  of
• 15:04
  the
• 15:04
  outside
• 15:04
  world
• 15:05
  in
• 15:06
  that
• 15:06
  way,
• 15:06
  it
• 15:06
  does
• 15:07
  kind
• 15:07
  of
• 15:07
  mess
• 15:07
  with
• 15:08
  my
• 15:08
  head
• 15:08
  and
• 15:08
  my
• 15:08
  creative
• 15:09
  process.
• 15:10
  Can
• 15:10
  we
• 15:11
  just.
• 15:11
  Let's
• 15:12
  back
• 15:12
  up
• 15:12
  for
• 15:12
  a
• 15:12
  second
• 15:12
  and
• 15:13
  talk
• 15:13
  about
• 15:13
  writing
• 15:13
  for
• 15:14
  Spotify
• 15:14
  as
• 15:15
  a
• 15:15
  professional
• 15:15
  performer
• 15:16
  and
• 15:16
  writer?
• 15:18
  That's
• 15:18
  a
• 15:18
  concept
• 15:19
  that
• 15:19
  comes
• 15:20
  up
• 15:20
  a
• 15:20
  lot
• 15:21
  for
• 15:21
  you
• 15:21
  recently.
• 15:22
  Can
• 15:22
  you
• 15:22
  tell
• 15:22
  us
• 15:23
  what
• 15:23
  that's
• 15:23
  like?
• 15:24
  What
• 15:24
  are
• 15:24
  people
• 15:25
  doing?
• 15:25
  How
• 15:26
  are
• 15:26
  people
• 15:26
  writing
• 15:26
  for
• 15:26
  Spotify
• 15:27
  and
• 15:27
  what
• 15:27
  part
• 15:28
  of
• 15:28
  that
• 15:28
  are
• 15:28
  you
• 15:28
  not
• 15:28
  into?
• 15:29
  Yeah,
• 15:30
  so
• 15:31
  that's
• 15:31
  a
• 15:31
  great
• 15:32
  question.
• 15:33
  You
• 15:33
  know,
• 15:33
  Spotify
• 15:34
  music,
• 15:34
  to
• 15:35
  me,
• 15:35
  it's.
• 15:37
  It
• 15:37
  doesn't.
• 15:39
  When
• 15:39
  you're
• 15:39
  thinking
• 15:40
  about
• 15:41
  the
• 15:41
  way
• 15:41
  people
• 15:41
  are
• 15:41
  listening
• 15:42
  to
• 15:42
  it,
• 15:42
  whether
• 15:42
  it's
• 15:43
  on
• 15:43
  their
• 15:43
  phone
• 15:44
  or
• 15:44
  alone
• 15:45
  in.
• 15:47
  You
• 15:47
  write
• 15:47
  in
• 15:48
  a.
• 15:48
  More
• 15:49
  you
• 15:50
  write
• 15:50
  for.
• 15:50
  I
• 15:50
  almost
• 15:51
  say
• 15:51
  you
• 15:51
  write
• 15:51
  for
• 15:51
  the
• 15:51
  phone.
• 15:52
  It's
• 15:52
  like
• 15:52
  this
• 15:52
  intimate
• 15:53
  way
• 15:53
  where
• 15:54
  the
• 15:54
  beat
• 15:54
  hits
• 15:55
  and
• 15:55
  everything
• 15:56
  kind
• 15:57
  of
• 15:57
  magnifies.
• 15:58
  And
• 15:59
  so
• 16:00
  you
• 16:00
  tend
• 16:01
  to
• 16:01
  start
• 16:01
  writing
• 16:01
  like
• 16:02
  that.
• 16:02
  And
• 16:02
  if
• 16:02
  you.
• 16:02
  And
• 16:03
  the
• 16:03
  music
• 16:03
  that
• 16:03
  I
• 16:04
  love
• 16:04
  and
• 16:04
  I've
• 16:04
  grown
• 16:04
  up
• 16:05
  in
• 16:06
  has
• 16:06
  really
• 16:07
  big
• 16:07
  energy
• 16:08
  that
• 16:09
  hits
• 16:10
  so
• 16:10
  differently.
• 16:13
  On
• 16:13
  a
• 16:13
  stage
• 16:14
  or
• 16:14
  in
• 16:14
  front
• 16:14
  of
• 16:14
  people,
• 16:14
  it's
• 16:15
  like
• 16:15
  massive
• 16:15
  energy.
• 16:16
  Whereas
• 16:17
  if
• 16:17
  you
• 16:17
  play
• 16:17
  it
• 16:18
  on
• 16:18
  Spotify,
• 16:19
  you
• 16:19
  might
• 16:19
  miss
• 16:19
  that
• 16:20
  energy
• 16:20
  because
• 16:20
  it
• 16:21
  might
• 16:21
  be
• 16:21
  too
• 16:21
  big
• 16:21
  for
• 16:22
  the
• 16:22
  platform,
• 16:22
  and
• 16:22
  you
• 16:22
  might
• 16:23
  just
• 16:23
  be
• 16:23
  like.
• 16:23
  It's
• 16:23
  like
• 16:24
  whenever
• 16:24
  someone's
• 16:24
  listening
• 16:25
  to,
• 16:25
  like,
• 16:25
  a
• 16:25
  big
• 16:25
  classic
• 16:26
  rock
• 16:26
  song
• 16:26
  or
• 16:26
  a
• 16:27
  soul
• 16:27
  song,
• 16:27
  and
• 16:27
  it's
• 16:28
  like,
• 16:28
  okay,
• 16:28
  cool.
• 16:28
  And
• 16:29
  then
• 16:29
  they
• 16:29
  hear,
• 16:29
  you
• 16:30
  know,
• 16:30
  the
• 16:30
  song
• 16:30
  with
• 16:30
  the
• 16:31
  808
• 16:31
  and,
• 16:31
  like,
• 16:32
  the
• 16:32
  vocal
• 16:32
  with
• 16:32
  the
• 16:32
  reverb,
• 16:33
  and
• 16:33
  it's
• 16:33
  like,
• 16:33
  it
• 16:34
  sounds
• 16:34
  massive,
• 16:35
  right?
• 16:35
  Because
• 16:35
  it's
• 16:35
  like
• 16:36
  it
• 16:36
  was
• 16:36
  written
• 16:36
  for
• 16:37
  the
• 16:37
  platform.
• 16:37
  And
• 16:38
  really,
• 16:38
  if
• 16:38
  you
• 16:38
  played
• 16:38
  that
• 16:38
  on
• 16:39
  a
• 16:39
  stage,
• 16:39
  it
• 16:39
  would
• 16:40
  not
• 16:40
  compete
• 16:40
  with
• 16:41
  a
• 16:42
  Stevie
• 16:42
  Wonders
• 16:42
  song.
• 16:43
  You
• 16:43
  know,
• 16:43
  like,
• 16:43
  they're
• 16:44
  trying
• 16:44
  to
• 16:44
  captivate.
• 16:44
  And
• 16:44
  keep
• 16:45
  your
• 16:45
  attention
• 16:45
  with,
• 16:46
  like,
• 16:46
  a
• 16:46
  reverb.
• 16:46
  And
• 16:46
  then
• 16:47
  Stevie
• 16:47
  comes
• 16:47
  after
• 16:48
  you
• 16:48
  and
• 16:48
  does
• 16:48
  superstition.
• 16:49
  You
• 16:49
  get
• 16:49
  slaughtered,
• 16:50
  you
• 16:50
  know,
• 16:50
  but
• 16:50
  it's
• 16:51
  opposite
• 16:52
  on
• 16:52
  a
• 16:52
  digital
• 16:52
  platform
• 16:53
  where
• 16:54
  everything
• 16:54
  is
• 16:54
  about,
• 16:55
  like,
• 16:55
  this
• 16:55
  intimate
• 16:56
  space,
• 16:56
  and
• 16:56
  we
• 16:56
  start
• 16:57
  writing
• 16:58
  that
• 16:58
  way,
• 16:58
  and
• 16:59
  we
• 16:59
  actually
• 16:59
  lose
• 17:00
  perspective
• 17:00
  about
• 17:01
  what
• 17:01
  that
• 17:01
  actually
• 17:01
  does
• 17:02
  in
• 17:02
  real
• 17:02
  time
• 17:02
  and
• 17:03
  space.
• 17:03
  And
• 17:03
  so
• 17:03
  for
• 17:04
  me,
• 17:04
  as
• 17:04
  a
• 17:04
  writer,
• 17:05
  I
• 17:06
  write
• 17:06
  about
• 17:06
  and
• 17:06
  more
• 17:07
  in,
• 17:07
  like,
• 17:07
  a
• 17:07
  traditional,
• 17:08
  older
• 17:08
  time
• 17:08
  and
• 17:09
  space.
• 17:09
  And
• 17:09
  so
• 17:10
  that's
• 17:10
  why
• 17:10
  it's
• 17:11
  tough
• 17:11
  for
• 17:11
  me,
• 17:11
  because,
• 17:11
  I
• 17:12
  mean,
• 17:12
  I
• 17:12
  do
• 17:12
  not
• 17:12
  to
• 17:12
  say
• 17:13
  I
• 17:13
  don't
• 17:13
  love
• 17:13
  writing
• 17:14
  the
• 17:14
  intimate
• 17:14
  or,
• 17:15
  like,
• 17:15
  the
• 17:15
  modern
• 17:16
  aspect
• 17:16
  of
• 17:16
  song.
• 17:17
  I
• 17:17
  do
• 17:17
  do
• 17:17
  that
• 17:17
  too,
• 17:17
  but
• 17:18
  I
• 17:18
  tend
• 17:18
  to
• 17:18
  gravitate
• 17:19
  more
• 17:19
  into,
• 17:19
  like,
• 17:20
  visceral
• 17:20
  energy.
• 17:22
  Yeah,
• 17:23
  thank
• 17:23
  you
• 17:23
  for.
• 17:23
  No,
• 17:23
  I
• 17:23
  totally
• 17:24
  understand
• 17:24
  what
• 17:24
  you're
• 17:25
  saying,
• 17:25
  but
• 17:26
  just
• 17:26
  to
• 17:26
  kind
• 17:26
  of
• 17:27
  continue
• 17:27
  on
• 17:28
  the
• 17:28
  writing.
• 17:28
  Do
• 17:28
  you
• 17:29
  think
• 17:29
  about
• 17:29
  that
• 17:30
  before
• 17:30
  you
• 17:30
  put
• 17:31
  pen
• 17:31
  to
• 17:31
  pad
• 17:31
  or
• 17:32
  whatever?
• 17:32
  You
• 17:32
  know
• 17:32
  what
• 17:32
  I
• 17:32
  mean?
• 17:33
  When
• 17:33
  you
• 17:33
  start
• 17:33
  writing,
• 17:34
  you're.
• 17:34
  You're
• 17:34
  conscious
• 17:35
  about
• 17:35
  all
• 17:35
  of
• 17:35
  that
• 17:36
  before
• 17:36
  you
• 17:36
  write,
• 17:36
  or
• 17:36
  do
• 17:36
  you
• 17:37
  just
• 17:37
  write
• 17:37
  whatever
• 17:38
  you're
• 17:38
  feeling
• 17:38
  at
• 17:38
  that
• 17:39
  moment?
• 17:40
  I'm
• 17:41
  usually,
• 17:41
  like,
• 17:41
  conscious
• 17:42
  of.
• 17:42
  Of,
• 17:42
  like,
• 17:43
  what
• 17:43
  is,
• 17:44
  like,
• 17:44
  what
• 17:44
  type
• 17:44
  of
• 17:45
  energy
• 17:45
  I'm
• 17:45
  trying
• 17:45
  to
• 17:45
  do
• 17:46
  and,
• 17:46
  like,
• 17:46
  my
• 17:46
  intention.
• 17:48
  And
• 17:48
  so
• 17:48
  once
• 17:49
  I
• 17:49
  get
• 17:49
  into,
• 17:49
  like,
• 17:50
  a
• 17:50
  flow,
• 17:50
  I
• 17:51
  have
• 17:51
  no
• 17:51
  problem
• 17:51
  just
• 17:52
  writing,
• 17:52
  writing,
• 17:52
  writing.
• 17:53
  But
• 17:53
  I'm
• 17:53
  usually
• 17:54
  intentional
• 17:54
  about,
• 17:55
  like.
• 17:55
  And
• 17:56
  I
• 17:56
  do.
• 17:56
  And
• 17:56
  I
• 17:57
  am
• 17:57
  intentional
• 17:57
  a
• 17:57
  lot,
• 17:57
  especially
• 17:58
  because
• 17:58
  I
• 17:58
  do
• 17:58
  a
• 17:59
  side
• 17:59
  hustle
• 17:59
  of
• 18:00
  a
• 18:00
  lot
• 18:00
  of
• 18:00
  sing
• 18:00
  songs
• 18:01
  where,
• 18:01
  you
• 18:02
  know,
• 18:02
  this
• 18:02
  pandemic,
• 18:03
  you
• 18:03
  know,
• 18:04
  really
• 18:04
  saved
• 18:04
  me
• 18:06
  financially
• 18:06
  was
• 18:07
  just
• 18:07
  writing,
• 18:08
  you
• 18:08
  know,
• 18:09
  songs
• 18:09
  for
• 18:09
  tv,
• 18:10
  film,
• 18:10
  and
• 18:10
  all
• 18:10
  that,
• 18:11
  which
• 18:11
  is
• 18:11
  very
• 18:11
  much
• 18:11
  of
• 18:12
  what
• 18:12
  I'm
• 18:12
  talking
• 18:12
  about,
• 18:12
  which
• 18:13
  I
• 18:13
  get
• 18:13
  annoyed
• 18:13
  about.
• 18:15
  But
• 18:15
  it's
• 18:15
  like,
• 18:16
  you
• 18:16
  know,
• 18:17
  for
• 18:17
  me
• 18:17
  personally
• 18:18
  as
• 18:18
  an
• 18:18
  artist
• 18:18
  and
• 18:18
  what
• 18:19
  I
• 18:19
  do
• 18:19
  for
• 18:19
  my
• 18:19
  fan
• 18:20
  base,
• 18:20
  I
• 18:21
  tap
• 18:21
  into,
• 18:21
  like,
• 18:22
  my
• 18:22
  roots
• 18:22
  and
• 18:22
  what
• 18:22
  I
• 18:23
  grew
• 18:23
  up
• 18:23
  on,
• 18:23
  which
• 18:23
  is
• 18:24
  the
• 18:24
  jam.
• 18:24
  The
• 18:24
  jam
• 18:25
  music
• 18:25
  of,
• 18:25
  like,
• 18:25
  my
• 18:26
  household
• 18:26
  and
• 18:27
  all
• 18:27
  the
• 18:27
  influences
• 18:28
  and
• 18:28
  so
• 18:28
  that.
• 18:28
  That
• 18:29
  I
• 18:29
  understand
• 18:29
  what
• 18:30
  the
• 18:30
  groove
• 18:30
  what
• 18:31
  groove
• 18:31
  it
• 18:31
  is.
• 18:31
  And
• 18:33
  it's
• 18:33
  also.
• 18:33
  It's
• 18:34
  interesting.
• 18:34
  You
• 18:34
  know,
• 18:34
  my
• 18:34
  work
• 18:35
  with.
• 18:35
  With
• 18:35
  Prince,
• 18:36
  he.
• 18:36
  He.
• 18:36
  He
• 18:37
  brought
• 18:37
  up
• 18:37
  a
• 18:37
  really
• 18:37
  interesting
• 18:38
  point
• 18:38
  because
• 18:38
  I
• 18:38
  had
• 18:38
  a
• 18:38
  song
• 18:39
  that
• 18:39
  I.
• 18:40
  That
• 18:40
  I
• 18:40
  loved,
• 18:41
  and
• 18:41
  it
• 18:41
  was
• 18:41
  this
• 18:41
  beautiful
• 18:41
  song.
• 18:42
  And
• 18:42
  he
• 18:42
  was
• 18:42
  like.
• 18:42
  It
• 18:43
  was
• 18:43
  a
• 18:43
  set
• 18:43
  of
• 18:43
  chord
• 18:44
  changes,
• 18:44
  a
• 18:44
  four
• 18:44
  chord,
• 18:45
  you
• 18:45
  know,
• 18:45
  pop,
• 18:46
  you
• 18:46
  know,
• 18:46
  cycle.
• 18:47
  And,
• 18:47
  you
• 18:48
  know,
• 18:48
  I
• 18:48
  was
• 18:48
  like,
• 18:48
  yeah.
• 18:49
  And
• 18:49
  he
• 18:49
  loved
• 18:49
  the
• 18:50
  song.
• 18:50
  And
• 18:50
  he
• 18:50
  was
• 18:50
  like,
• 18:50
  but
• 18:51
  how
• 18:52
  big
• 18:52
  do
• 18:52
  you
• 18:52
  want
• 18:52
  this
• 18:53
  song?
• 18:54
  Like,
• 18:54
  what
• 18:54
  type
• 18:55
  of
• 18:55
  spacing
• 18:55
  do
• 18:55
  you
• 18:56
  want?
• 18:56
  Do
• 18:56
  you.
• 18:56
  Do
• 18:56
  you.
• 18:56
  Do
• 18:57
  you
• 18:57
  want
• 18:57
  this
• 18:57
  song
• 18:57
  to
• 18:57
  be,
• 18:58
  like,
• 18:58
  a
• 18:58
  song
• 18:58
  that
• 18:58
  really
• 18:59
  registers
• 19:00
  in,
• 19:00
  like,
• 19:01
  a
• 19:01
  jazz
• 19:01
  club?
• 19:02
  Or
• 19:02
  are
• 19:02
  you
• 19:02
  thinking,
• 19:03
  like,
• 19:03
  an
• 19:03
  arena,
• 19:04
  Like.
• 19:04
  And
• 19:05
  I
• 19:05
  was
• 19:05
  like,
• 19:06
  I
• 19:06
  want
• 19:06
  the
• 19:06
  arena.
• 19:06
  He's
• 19:07
  like,
• 19:07
  okay.
• 19:08
  So
• 19:08
  he
• 19:08
  changed
• 19:09
  the
• 19:09
  chords.
• 19:09
  He
• 19:10
  just
• 19:10
  tweaked
• 19:10
  the
• 19:10
  chords,
• 19:11
  the
• 19:11
  four
• 19:11
  chords,
• 19:12
  into
• 19:12
  something
• 19:13
  that
• 19:13
  was
• 19:13
  a
• 19:13
  little
• 19:13
  more
• 19:14
  open.
• 19:14
  And
• 19:15
  it
• 19:15
  was
• 19:16
  the
• 19:16
  energy
• 19:16
  of
• 19:17
  the
• 19:17
  song,
• 19:17
  like,
• 19:17
  massively
• 19:18
  changed
• 19:18
  just
• 19:18
  with
• 19:19
  that
• 19:19
  little
• 19:19
  tweak.
• 19:19
  So
• 19:20
  I
• 19:20
  always
• 19:20
  think
• 19:20
  about
• 19:20
  that.
• 19:20
  Like,
• 19:21
  I
• 19:21
  always
• 19:21
  think
• 19:21
  about
• 19:21
  that
• 19:21
  question,
• 19:22
  like,
• 19:22
  what.
• 19:23
  How.
• 19:23
  What's
• 19:23
  the
• 19:24
  space?
• 19:24
  Like,
• 19:24
  how
• 19:24
  many
• 19:24
  people
• 19:25
  are
• 19:25
  you
• 19:25
  thinking
• 19:26
  are
• 19:26
  listening
• 19:26
  to
• 19:26
  this,
• 19:27
  you
• 19:27
  know?