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Thursday September 10 2026 | M and M Remembers Charlie Kirk · The M&M Experience

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Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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Speaker 2: It's one of those rare days where you've got one
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Speaker 2: of the M's. I'm Mike Gallagher. Mark off today on
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Speaker 2: what is a somber occasion. This, of course, is the
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Speaker 2: one-year anniversary of the assassination of our Salem media colleague,
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk. And I thought it would be very important,
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Speaker 1: It's kind of.
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Speaker 2: Hard to put into words what those of us here
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Speaker 2: in the building are feeling today. And when I say
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Speaker 2: here in the building... I mean the Salem media world.
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Speaker 2: You know, if you're new to this podcast and if
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Speaker 2: you're new to maybe the Mike Gallagher show or the
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Speaker 2: Mark Davis show, you may not know about the inner
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Speaker 2: workings of the Salem infrastructure. I've been with this company
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Speaker 2: now a quarter of a century. I started with Salem
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Speaker 2: in 2001. In fact, I was just thinking about this.
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Speaker 2: I'm probably around my 25th anniversary as a syndicated talk
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Speaker 2: show host with Salem Media. And it has been the
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Speaker 2: happiest journey of my life outside of my family and
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Speaker 2: my friends. Professionally, you couldn't ask for a better place
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Speaker 2: to be. Salem is a company with a mission. The
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Speaker 2: mission has always been sort of stated as.
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Speaker 2: To do well as a company while doing good for others.
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Speaker 2: Alan Power, who is a longtime Salem executive who recently retired,
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Speaker 2: loved to say that. To do good while doing good.
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Speaker 2: We want to do well as a company. We are
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Speaker 2: not a nonprofit. We are a for-profit broadcast company. like
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Speaker 2: most of the places you go to, but we also
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Speaker 2: want to make a difference in people's lives. That's why
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Speaker 2: we have partnerships with organizations like Preborn. That's why we
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Speaker 2: reach out to and partner with Food for the Poor.
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Speaker 2: That's why we partner with organizations like Prison Fellowship. And
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Speaker 2: I think you know that. I think our audience gets it.
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Speaker 2: I think our audience understands it. I think our audience...
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Speaker 2: clearly gets our mission. And that's why this feels like
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Speaker 2: a giant extended family. It is a very familial atmosphere.
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Speaker 2: When you and I engage together, we take the high
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Speaker 2: road together. We go on the low road together. We've
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Speaker 2: been through ups and downs. We've been through a lot together.
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Speaker 2: And so when a member of our family is struck
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Speaker 2: down by an assassin's bullet, it's very personal for all
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Speaker 2: of us. And I will never, ever forget the rush
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Speaker 2: of emotions I felt a year ago today when we
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Speaker 2: learned that Charlie was murdered. Charlie was doing what Charlie
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Speaker 2: loved to do most, go on to a college campus
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Speaker 2: and invite kids who disagreed with him to debate him.
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Speaker 2: And that was his crime. That was his sin. If
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Speaker 2: people on the hard left didn't like the views that
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Speaker 2: Charlie espoused, they had an opportunity to challenge those views.
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Speaker 2: And for years, the little clips, you've seen them. If
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Speaker 2: you're engaged in this podcast today, you've seen all the
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Speaker 2: clips of Charlie, little snippets of the debates that he
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Speaker 2: would have with college kids. He thrived on that. He
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Speaker 2: loved it. It was like his oxygen. He had so
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Speaker 2: much joy in walking on to a college campus and
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Speaker 2: generally surrounded by supporters and fans. But the kids who
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Speaker 2: disagreed with him, the college students who wanted to challenge him,
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Speaker 2: were given the microphone. He was being challenged by a
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Speaker 2: young man the moment he was gunned down. And Charlie
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Speaker 2: did it with.
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Speaker 2: A sense of sort of grace. He did it with humility.
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Speaker 2: He actually did it with kindness. You know, this monster
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Speaker 2: who climbed up on the roof and put the bullet
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Speaker 2: in Charlie's neck, he's got a legal team that I
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Speaker 2: suspect is very good. And one of his lawyers said
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Speaker 2: in court a week or so ago that it was
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Speaker 2: established that what Charlie said was hateful speech. Now, I
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Speaker 2: don't doubt that there are people who think that Charlie's
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Speaker 2: beliefs were hateful. You have a right to feel that way.
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Speaker 2: If you believe in the nuclear family, if you believe
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Speaker 2: in a strong border, if you believe in Trump's the
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Speaker 2: current mass deportation that's underway, you might consider that hateful speech.
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Speaker 2: You may think of those views as hateful views. Doesn't
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Speaker 2: make it true. That's an opinion. You're absolutely entitled to
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Speaker 2: that opinion. For a lawyer in a murder trial to
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Speaker 2: stand up and vilify the victim, to victimize as the
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Speaker 2: expression goes, to make Charlie Kirk, the bad guy, the
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Speaker 2: culprit in his own death, in his own political assassination,
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Speaker 2: is as reprehensible an act as anything I think I've
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Speaker 2: ever seen. It stunned me. It stunned me. For a
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Speaker 2: lawyer to stand up in a court of law, I
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Speaker 2: get that the lawyer is trying to get his client
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Speaker 2: off the hook. And in a world right now with
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Speaker 2: Lindsey Clancy, in a world right now where Luigi Mangione
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Speaker 2: is a hero, in a world right now where the
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Speaker 2: kid in Texas that plunged the knife into the other
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Speaker 2: kid is a martyr and a hero, I get that.
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Speaker 2: that right is wrong and up is down and left
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Speaker 2: is right. I get that good is portrayed as evil.
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Speaker 2: I understand that. But for a lawyer to stand up
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Speaker 2: in a courtroom and proclaim as if it was a
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Speaker 2: fact that the beliefs and the views and the ideology
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Speaker 2: of Charlie Kirk was hateful, well, all I know is
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Speaker 2: that that lawyer someday maybe in the great beyond, in
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Speaker 2: the afterlife, is going to have to be held accountable
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Speaker 2: for such a slander. Again, and he may feel that
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Speaker 2: way personally, his personal views. And I have no objection
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Speaker 2: with that. I didn't agree with 100% of what Charlie
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Speaker 2: stood for or what he believed. But this guy's a lawyer.
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Speaker 2: This guy is an officer of the court. This man
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Speaker 2: is supposed to represent truth. not present a bias that
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Speaker 2: smeared the man who bled out at Utah Valley University
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Speaker 2: in front of hundreds and hundreds of horrified onlookers. So, look,
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Speaker 2: it's important to try to stay positive, I think, on
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Speaker 2: this one-year anniversary of Charlie's assassination. I'm kind of excited
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Speaker 2: about the fact that there's a movie called out at
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Speaker 2: salemnow.com that features one of Charlie's very last interviews. The
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Speaker 2: movie is called Can You Hear Me Now? And it explored,
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Speaker 2: Charlie was all about his faith, was very much a believer,
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Speaker 2: and shared his Christian values and beliefs with any audience
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Speaker 2: that would show up to hear him or see him.
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Speaker 2: And Charlie explored with the in this conversation, in this
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Speaker 2: last interview, he explored the eternal question, is God there?
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Speaker 2: Does he hear us? Does he speak to us?
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Speaker 4: Do we hear God?
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Speaker 2: And I thought on this one-year anniversary of Charlie's terrible,
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Speaker 2: terrible death, it would be a good opportunity to share
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Speaker 2: Some of Charlie's comments from the movie Can You Hear
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Speaker 2: Me Now? Available now at SalemNow.com.
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Speaker 5: Abortion has been a big thing for a long time.
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Speaker 4: And it affects people.
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Speaker 5: And it hurts people.
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Speaker 3: So has murder and slavery and child sacrifice.
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Speaker 4: That is completely different.
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Speaker 5: No, it is murder. You are saying slavery is the
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Speaker 5: reason for abortion?
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Speaker 3: Okay, so let me ask you a question then.
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Speaker 5: Define what is murder. What is murder?
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Speaker 4: So are you going to be talking about first degree murder,
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Speaker 4: like homicide, like going and having.
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Speaker 6: The intent to kill a person, having.
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Speaker 4: The intent to kill somebody?
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Speaker 5: But I'm just saying a human being, right?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but a clump of cells is different.
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Speaker 5: Hold on, time out. If it's a clump of cells,
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Speaker 5: what species is it? What species is it? Yes. What species?
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Speaker 5: It depends. Whatever's going to be pregnant, whatever you're trying
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Speaker 5: to abort.
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Speaker 3: Is it a homo sapien, a crocodile, or a raccoon?
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Speaker 5: Which one is it? What species is it? Oh, wait.
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Speaker 3: So if it's a human clump of cells, then it's
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Speaker 3: a human life deserving of human rights. A Christian nation,
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Speaker 3: as Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence, we
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Speaker 3: hold these truths to be self-evident.
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Speaker 4: The laws of nature and nature is God.
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Speaker 3: He's appealing towards a natural law that is not an accident,
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Speaker 3: but is created by a divine author of the cosmological order.
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Speaker 3: We call that the Logos in John 1. But a
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Speaker 3: Christian nation is one that lives out Christ's commands. Do
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Speaker 3: you know that outside of any book, not Montesquieu, not Locke,
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Speaker 3: not Rousseau, not any of the thinkers of the Enlightenment.
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Speaker 3: It was Deuteronomy, the book of Deuteronomy, that was cited
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Speaker 3: more than any other book at the time of the
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Speaker 3: American founding. The first question is, why should Christians be
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Speaker 3: involved in anything? That's the first question. And some people's
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Speaker 3: theology is, hey, just be focused on the next life
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Speaker 3: and nothing here matters.
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Speaker 4: Well, that is not the gospel at all.
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Speaker 5: Christ our Lord said on this rock, build my what?
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Speaker 2: Church.
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Speaker 5: Wrong. Ekklesia. It's not the word church. The English translations
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Speaker 5: of common Bible say church.
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Speaker 3: Well, actually, it shouldn't because the original Greek term says
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Speaker 3: on this rock, build my government structure.
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Speaker 5: Ekklesia was a secular word.
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Speaker 3: Used in that time, which was all about the advancement
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Speaker 3: of freedom and liberty, which are the two words in Greek,
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Speaker 3: which are the two words there. So the point being,
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Speaker 3: Christ called us to be salt and light. We as
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Speaker 3: Christians should change the environment that we come in contact with.
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Speaker 5: That's what salt might do.
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Speaker 3: So why should we then not care about changing government
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Speaker 3: to be more Christlike? Whether it be Nehemiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Moses, Aaron,
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Speaker 3: they all thought deeply about how to either influence secular
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Speaker 3: government for God's purposes or form a government for God's purposes.
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Speaker 6: So what's stopping us from speaking into our nation?
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I forgot. There's this little phrase called.
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Speaker 5: Separation of church and state things. Church and state. Church
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Speaker 5: and state.
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Speaker 4: Church and state.
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Speaker 5: Church and state. Church from state. Separation of church and state.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's somewhat of a new phenomenon.
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Speaker 3: The first usage of that phrase, from the best of
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Speaker 3: my understanding, was actually by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury
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Speaker 3: Baptist Convention in a letter he wrote in the early 1800s.
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Speaker 3: And interestingly, he wrote it to the convention guaranteeing them
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Speaker 3: that the state will not come after the church. In fact,
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Speaker 3: that was a foreign concept. to the founders. The founding
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Speaker 3: fathers sponsored the writing and distribution of Bibles. They held
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Speaker 3: church practices and services in the U.S. Supreme Court. 55
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Speaker 3: out of 56 of the signers of the Declaration of
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Speaker 3: Independence were Bible-believing church-attending Christians themselves.
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Speaker 6: In addition to the misuse of separation of church and state,
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Speaker 6: there's another phrase that's been hitting the airwaves.
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Speaker 3: This unholy marriage of religion and politics is the narrative
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Speaker 3: of American Christian nationalism.
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Speaker 6: But over the past 250 years, high-ranking officials from judges
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Speaker 6: to senators to even presidents have stated that America is
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Speaker 6: a Christian nation.
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Speaker 3: But what does it mean to be a Christian nation?
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Speaker 3: What does it mean to be a Christian nation is
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Speaker 3: a great question. Well, first of all, where the vast
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Speaker 3: majority of your people love Jesus, love people, and they
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Speaker 3: do what God taught.
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Speaker 4: That's number one.
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Speaker 3: But number two is also the laws must be rooted
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Speaker 3: in first and foremost the natural law at a very
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Speaker 3: base minimum.
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Speaker 4: John Adams had a very, very powerful quote.
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Speaker 3: He said the Constitution was written solely and only for
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Speaker 3: a moral and religious people. It's wholly inadequate for the
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Speaker 3: people of any other. So if you apply the U.S.
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Speaker 3: Constitution right now and we flew to Somalia and we
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Speaker 3: said you guys got to live by the U.S. Constitution,
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Speaker 3: it wouldn't work. If we went to India right now
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Speaker 3: and we said, hey, you guys got to live by
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Speaker 3: the U.S. Constitution. You guys got to live under Hinduism.
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Speaker 3: It wouldn't work. You see, they are universal principles, but
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Speaker 3: they're not universally applicable if the people.
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Speaker 4: Are not Christian.
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Speaker 3: I've never described myself as a Christian nationalist. So I'm
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Speaker 3: a Christian and a nationalist. So I've never used those two.
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Speaker 3: And then right there, that and nationalist. Where in the
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Speaker 3: scriptures does a Christian? Thank you for Jeremiah 29, seven
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Speaker 3: demand the welfare of the nation that you are in
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Speaker 3: because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.
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Speaker 4: Let me continue.
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Speaker 3: Daniel fasted and prayed for his nation. Esther and Mordecai
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Speaker 3: cared for their nation.
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Speaker 4: They were counsel to the king.
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Speaker 5: Nehemiah, Jeremiah, Joseph, Jacob.
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Speaker 4: I could keep on going. Moses, Aaron.
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Speaker 3: In fact, Moses was so political that he wrote an
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Speaker 3: entire book of the Torah all about how to set
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Speaker 3: up a government.
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Speaker 4: It's the book of Deuteronomy.
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Speaker 3: So, in fact, the Bible is an explicitly political text
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Speaker 3: amongst many other things. Well, for someone that just says
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Speaker 3: I'm just describing Christian nationalism, I'd say, what do you
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Speaker 3: mean by that exactly? We define the term because before
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Speaker 3: I defend or retreat, are you talking about me creating
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Speaker 3: a theocracy? If that's the accusation, no, I've never argued
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Speaker 3: for a theocracy. But what I will argue for is
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Speaker 3: a constitutional republic full of Christians. And you think about
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Speaker 3: the type of nation we want. We want one that
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Speaker 3: is rooted in liberty. Liberty is God's idea, not man's idea.
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Speaker 3: It says very clearly, where the spirit of the Lord is,
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Speaker 3: there is liberty. Jesus has said, I have come to
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Speaker 3: give life and life more abundantly. Enemy has come to lie, steal, cheat,
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Speaker 3: and destroy. That is John 10.10. The idea of liberty
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Speaker 3: was so important to God in Leviticus 25.19, I believe.
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Speaker 3: It not only says proclaim liberty throughout the land of
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Speaker 3: which you are in, the founding fathers loved it so
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Speaker 3: much they put that on the liberty belt.
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Speaker 2: Got a chance to screen the movie, and it is fascinating.
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Speaker 2: It's very spiritual. It's very much about philosophers and prophets.
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Speaker 2: Pretty heady stuff, but I think you'll enjoy Can You
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Speaker 2: Hear Me Now, especially if you are a Charlie Kirk fan.
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Speaker 2: A big Charlie Kirk fan is a fellow broadcaster, a
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Speaker 2: very popular podcaster named Benny Johnson. I've met Benny a
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Speaker 2: couple of times, haven't really had a lot of time
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Speaker 2: to to speak with him. But I did have an
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Speaker 2: opportunity to talk to him when we flew out to
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Speaker 2: Arizona for the Charlie Kirk Memorial outside Turning Point USA,
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Speaker 2: which was the, and still is, the massive facility on
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Speaker 2: the grounds there in Phoenix. And this was the house
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Speaker 2: that Charlie built. Charlie, of course, very famously concocted Turning
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Speaker 2: Point USA in the basement or the garage, rather, of
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Speaker 2: his parents' home in Chicago when he was a kid.
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Speaker 2: He was a teenager, young boy. And he had an idea,
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Speaker 2: had a vision for an organization that turned into Turning
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Speaker 2: Point USA. And so you may remember there was a
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Speaker 2: massive memorial, one of the greatest memorials worship services that
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Speaker 2: reached millions and millions of people all over the world
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Speaker 2: in Phoenix shortly after Charlie's assassination. But we decided to
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Speaker 2: drive over to the Turning Point headquarters because I had
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Speaker 2: a feeling there was a lot of activity going on there.
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Speaker 2: And sure enough, there was a huge, huge memorial set
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Speaker 2: up outside the Turning Point USA headquarters in Phoenix. Flowers
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Speaker 2: and stuffed animals and messages in memoriam and tributes to Charlie.
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Speaker 2: And as we were walking around and talking to people,
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Speaker 2: we came across the very popular podcaster, Benny Johnson. Benny
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Speaker 2: was sort of in Charlie's inner circle, his orbit. And Benny,
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Speaker 2: you could see even on the look on his face,
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Speaker 2: even weeks after Charlie's murder, was deeply impacted by the
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Speaker 2: assassination of his friend, Charlie Kirk. Benny, there are very
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Speaker 2: few people in American culture who have had this kind
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Speaker 2: of an impact on the American people.
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Speaker 7: Well, right, especially after their passing. So this is what
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Speaker 7: normally happens is people lose power. Tyrants lose power after
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Speaker 7: their passing. People live their lives and they go on
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Speaker 7: and then, you know, you're truly gone when people forget
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Speaker 7: your name. I've never in my life witnessed what's happening here.
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Speaker 7: Charlie's social media accounts. have doubled and tripled in size.
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Speaker 7: My entire social media feed, along with every other person
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Speaker 7: on earth, is now seeing Charlie's voice speaking to us.
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Speaker 7: What has happened here is a martyrdom in the true
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Speaker 7: sense of the Christian tradition. The same way that the
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Speaker 7: blood of Stephen, who, and it gave me chills thinking
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Speaker 7: about this, Mike, Was the same age as Charlie upon
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Speaker 7: his martyrdom. The same way that that inspired the single
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Speaker 7: greatest growth of Christianity and the kingdom of God upon
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Speaker 7: his death. That is what we are witnessing here in
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Speaker 7: Charlie and many interviews explained what he wanted his legacy
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Speaker 7: to be. What 20 year old man does that, by
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Speaker 7: the way? He explained many times, I want to be
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Speaker 7: remembered for courage for the kingdom of God. And God
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Speaker 7: is using, as he always does, Charlie's martyrdom to advance
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Speaker 7: the kingdom of God. It is precisely what Charlie would
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Speaker 7: have wanted. I get chills talking about it.
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Speaker 2: One of the world's most popular social media influencers, Benny Johnson,
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Speaker 2: with us here outside Turning Point USA. Benny, you talk
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Speaker 2: about chills. I came across a video of an interview
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Speaker 2: Charlie gave the morning he was killed with Fox Nation.
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Speaker 2: Did you see what he said when he was asked—
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Speaker 2: How do you live your life? What rules do you follow?
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Speaker 2: What quotes do you go by? And the first one was,
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Speaker 2: this too shall pass. I mean, he was so prophetic
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Speaker 2: hours before he was killed in Salt Lake City, almost
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Speaker 2: foreshadowing what was going to happen to him.
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Speaker 7: I will live who knows how long. But whatever my
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Speaker 7: deathbed is, I will be able to say I was
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Speaker 7: witness to a miracle. I've worked with Charlie for 10 years.
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Speaker 7: I saw the prophetic nature of his life. What 14-year-old
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Speaker 7: is wandering the halls of the RNC convention in 2012
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Speaker 7: when Mitt Romney was running for president, talking about the
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Speaker 7: vision for Turning Point, begging for his first donors, wandering
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Speaker 7: the stairwells there in Tampa? 14-year-old boys are getting Legos
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Speaker 7: stuck up their nose, not doing that. And what Charlie
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Speaker 7: has built is the single most powerful youth political organization
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Speaker 7: on earth. That is the fastest growing political organization in
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Speaker 7: the world currently.
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Speaker 5: That is the hand of God. We were witness to
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Speaker 5: a miracle. We were witness... to a prophetic.
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Speaker 7: Calling and we all got to see it in our
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Speaker 7: own ways. Some of us up close, some of us
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Speaker 7: worked with him like you did, Mike. And when we
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Speaker 7: were working with Charlie, you could actually see it. And
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Speaker 7: I don't know, other than the birth of my own children,
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Speaker 7: I don't think I'll ever be able to say I
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Speaker 7: was witness to a true miracle.
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Speaker 4: So this was a true miracle.
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Speaker 7: It's God's telling us he's real, he's working, and he's
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Speaker 7: not done with America.
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Speaker 8: Yet.
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Speaker 2: M experience. We're honoring Charlie Kirk today. It's the one-year
26:16
Speaker 2: anniversary of the assassination of our Salem media colleague. Had
26:21
Speaker 2: an opportunity to talk to a lot of really important
26:25
Speaker 2: people about Charlie's life. his legacy. And I liked hearing
26:30
Speaker 2: from Charlie himself as we put this together, some of
26:33
Speaker 2: his beliefs, his thoughts about socialism. Look, that's on the rise.
26:40
Speaker 2: The Democrat socialists of America have chalked up a lot
26:43
Speaker 2: of wins. And Charlie, of course, I think saw this coming.
26:47
Speaker 2: I think the word is prescient. Charlie was very prescient
26:51
Speaker 2: about the rise of socialism. Here are some of the
26:54
Speaker 2: thoughts that he had about what it meant, what it
26:59
Speaker 2: means to be an American and witness this uprising of
27:05
Speaker 2: socialism in America.
27:07
Speaker 3: Like the 130 million people that died under socialism in
27:10
Speaker 3: the last 100 years. The fact that every country that
27:13
Speaker 3: engages in a socialist direction becomes less free, less prosperous.
27:17
Speaker 9: Do you think that maybe there's like a middle ground
27:20
Speaker 9: where you can have a little bit of both?
27:23
Speaker 4: Everything comes at a price.
27:24
Speaker 3: The states that are the most socialistic are the worst
27:27
Speaker 3: and hardest states to live in in this country. California,
27:29
Speaker 3: New York, Illinois. have the most people leaving. Highest taxes,
27:33
Speaker 3: most social benefits, most social welfare. And they're leaving for
27:36
Speaker 3: states that are freer with lower taxes and more economic freedom.
27:39
Speaker 3: So everything comes at a price. Okay.
27:41
Speaker 5: Well, thank you.
27:42
Speaker 1: Thank you.
27:42
Speaker 4: Appreciate it. Thanks for your time. You've got to give
27:43
Speaker 4: me a good reason, at least two, why you don't
27:46
Speaker 4: like Trump. He's racist.
27:50
Speaker 6: Yup.
27:50
Speaker 2: Boo me.
27:53
Speaker 8: Use Google.
27:54
Speaker 4: Thank you, guys.
27:55
Speaker 3: Okay, so let me ask you a dumb question. Can
27:58
Speaker 3: you define what does it mean to be racist?
28:03
Speaker 4: Do you want me to look up a definition?
28:05
Speaker 3: No, no. You said he's a racist, so you must
28:08
Speaker 3: have a definition of racism in your mind. Tell me
28:11
Speaker 3: what that definition is.
28:13
Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm going to make you guys wait on this. Oh,
28:19
Speaker 4: zero knowledge.
28:20
Speaker 5: Guys, please don't heckle.
28:23
Speaker 3: I want to try to understand because these words have
28:26
Speaker 3: a lot of meaning.
28:27
Speaker 5: Yeah.
28:28
Speaker 3: But you can't get, I know it's hard on the spot.
28:30
Speaker 3: I just want you to think about it because if
28:32
Speaker 3: you say Trump is a racist, you should be able
28:34
Speaker 3: to easily give a definition of what that word means.
28:36
Speaker 4: So it's hatred towards another race, right?
28:40
Speaker 3: So when has he ever exhibited that? Give me clear
28:43
Speaker 3: and specific examples.
28:44
Speaker 7: You got one?
28:47
Speaker 4: Um, well, yeah, I heard someone say he told, uh, told....
28:57
Speaker 3: Yes! Okay, but let me just help you out here. What,
29:03
Speaker 3: you think he's a racist because the media has told
29:05
Speaker 3: you he's a racist? Because you can't give me an
29:07
Speaker 3: example off the top of your head, and even when
29:09
Speaker 3: you phone a friend of the audience.
29:11
Speaker 4: I'm not criticizing you. Maybe the media is lying to you.
29:14
Speaker 3: Maybe the man who's being called a racist is actually
29:17
Speaker 3: someone that's trying to improve lives of all Americans.
29:21
Speaker 10: I was just going to ask if you see the
29:22
Speaker 10: irony in your own propaganda in the Constitution on your
29:26
Speaker 10: brainwash tour. Having the explanations here because you don't believe
29:29
Speaker 10: the reader is smart enough to understand the language.
29:31
Speaker 9: Is kind of propaganda.
29:32
Speaker 5: Well, no.
29:33
Speaker 9: So do you know who that audience is for? For
29:35
Speaker 9: people who can't read it. Yeah, that's a Constitution for
29:38
Speaker 9: third graders.
29:39
Speaker 8: Yeah.
29:39
Speaker 3: Why are you here?
29:40
Speaker 5: It out to college students? Let's test your knowledge.
29:41
Speaker 4: Don't open it up.
29:42
Speaker 5: What is the 10th Amendment? Um... Okay, let's get easier.
29:47
Speaker 5: What's the Fourth Amendment?
29:49
Speaker 9: Isn't that the No Quartering Act? No, that's the Third Amendment.
29:52
Speaker 9: How many articles are there in the U.S.
29:53
Speaker 5: Constitution?
29:54
Speaker 10: There's eight articles.
29:56
Speaker 2: Seven.
29:56
Speaker 4: Seven.
29:57
Speaker 5: What is Article 3 of the U.S.
29:59
Speaker 4: Constitution?
30:00
Speaker 10: I just want to ask you a question.
30:01
Speaker 5: No, no, but I'm just saying, you came here guns a-blazing.
30:03
Speaker 5: You do not know more than a third grader about
30:05
Speaker 5: the U.S. Constitution.
30:06
Speaker 2: The wisdom of the very young Charlie Kirk, who was
30:10
Speaker 2: taken from us, of course, way too early. He had
30:14
Speaker 2: a whole... career, a life, a trajectory ahead of him.
30:19
Speaker 2: A lot of people think Charlie could have been elected
30:22
Speaker 2: president of the United States. You think about folks like J.D.
30:25
Speaker 2: Vance and Marco Rubio. Charlie, of course, would hold his
30:28
Speaker 2: own with any of these guys who are being mentioned
30:31
Speaker 2: as a future presidential contender. Who knows? It's amazing to
30:35
Speaker 2: stop and think about the possibilities. You know, I mentioned
30:39
Speaker 2: the devastating loss for America in But this, of course,
30:43
Speaker 2: was a huge blow to the Salem media family. I
30:48
Speaker 2: started the podcast today talking about the family that makes
30:52
Speaker 2: up the Salem infrastructure. Well, the vice president of the
30:57
Speaker 2: spoken word, I don't even know his exact title. I've
31:00
Speaker 2: worked for Phil for decades. Phil Boyce is regarded as
31:04
Speaker 2: one of the sharpest programming minds in America. He put
31:08
Speaker 2: Sean Hannity on the radio. He put Mike Gallagher in
31:11
Speaker 2: New York on the radio. And he discovered Charlie Kirk. Uh,
31:16
Speaker 2: he really, and Charlie, uh, one of the most humbling
31:19
Speaker 2: moments I ever had experienced was when Andrew Colvett stood
31:23
Speaker 2: up in front of a group of people and said,
31:25
Speaker 2: you know, it's been reported that Charlie grew up listening
31:28
Speaker 2: to Rush Limbaugh, but he also grew up listening to
31:30
Speaker 2: Mike Gallagher. Charlie was a student of talk radio and
31:33
Speaker 2: he wanted to be the next Rush. He wanted to,
31:37
Speaker 2: and he was on his way. And the guy who
31:40
Speaker 2: made the decision to, To pull the trigger and put
31:43
Speaker 2: Charlie on air was the one and only Phil Boyce, who, again,
31:47
Speaker 2: has been my boss and my mentor for many years.
31:50
Speaker 2: Had a great opportunity to catch up with Phil and
31:52
Speaker 2: talk about what it meant to be running a division
31:58
Speaker 2: of a company at a time when one of the
32:00
Speaker 2: stars was shot dead. Here's Phil Boyce. All through this
32:04
Speaker 2: special edition of the Mike Gallagher Show, we've wanted to
32:07
Speaker 2: reach out to people who were impacted by Charlie's death
32:11
Speaker 2: and who impacted Charlie. And there's a guy that I've
32:15
Speaker 2: known for quite some time. In fact, I was adding
32:18
Speaker 2: it up last night in anticipation of talking to Phil Boyce,
32:22
Speaker 2: who is the Senior Vice President of Content at Salem
32:24
Speaker 2: Media Group. He's been one of the best... broadcast minds
32:29
Speaker 2: in America for many, many years. And he's the boss
32:33
Speaker 2: here at Salem. But he's the guy that basically put
32:37
Speaker 2: Charlie on the radio and essentially saw something in young
32:40
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk that, you know, his trained years of experience
32:45
Speaker 2: led him to conclude. And Phil Boyce, as you join
32:49
Speaker 2: us on this one-year anniversary of the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
32:54
Speaker 2: It dawned on me, I started working for you at
32:57
Speaker 2: WABC in New York in 1996. Do you realize that
33:01
Speaker 2: was 30 years ago, Mr.
33:03
Speaker 5: Boyce?
33:07
Speaker 8: Teenage years or maybe before that, I don't know. That's
33:10
Speaker 8: a long time.
33:12
Speaker 2: It's a long time, three decades together. You've been in
33:15
Speaker 2: my life for a very, very long time. And, of course,
33:17
Speaker 2: you and Diana, Lady Di, as we call her, mean
33:19
Speaker 2: a lot to me and your kids. And we've been
33:21
Speaker 2: through a lot of highs and lows together. We always
33:24
Speaker 2: joked about standing by the printer and singing Now the
33:28
Speaker 2: End is Near. If the ratings came in the way
33:30
Speaker 2: we didn't like it, it'd be W-A-B-C. And, of course,
33:33
Speaker 2: on a very serious note, we've been through terrible, terrible
33:37
Speaker 2: situations like the loss of our colleague, and our friend
33:41
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk a year ago. Can you share as a
33:44
Speaker 2: guy who manages and hires and recruits talent what you
33:49
Speaker 2: saw in Charlie Kirk that maybe others didn't see? Because
33:53
Speaker 2: obviously something stood out to you and you made it
33:57
Speaker 2: a point to be sure that Charlie had a platform
34:00
Speaker 2: here at Salem Media. Well, that's true.
34:03
Speaker 8: When you mentioned 1996, Charlie, Fast forward a little bit
34:07
Speaker 8: to 2019, which is when I met Charlie walking down
34:12
Speaker 8: the corridor at CPAC. And that was at the Gaylord
34:16
Speaker 8: National right outside Washington, D.C. And I had been watching
34:20
Speaker 8: Charlie up to that point and been thinking, Charlie has
34:23
Speaker 8: the gift. He knows how to do talk radio. And
34:28
Speaker 8: I didn't know the backstory as to why he knew,
34:31
Speaker 8: but I just felt like he knew. So when I
34:33
Speaker 8: see him coming down the hallway and there's a bunch
34:36
Speaker 8: of people around him, I finally was able to get
34:38
Speaker 8: along with him. And I said, Charlie, have you ever
34:40
Speaker 8: thought about going on the radio or being a podcaster?
34:44
Speaker 8: Because at that time, Salem was thinking about starting the
34:47
Speaker 8: Salem Podcast Network. And he said, yes, I've thought about
34:51
Speaker 8: it and I've signed a deal with another company and
34:55
Speaker 8: I'm getting ready to start my podcast here in about
34:58
Speaker 8: a month.
34:59
Speaker 5: And of course, I was disappointed.
35:00
Speaker 8: But I said, look. Why don't you do this deal
35:03
Speaker 8: with them, of course, do well, build your podcast into
35:07
Speaker 8: good numbers. And then at the end of whatever this
35:09
Speaker 8: time is, and it turned out it was about a
35:12
Speaker 8: year I was going to get a call from him.
35:13
Speaker 8: At the end of that time, call me back and
35:16
Speaker 8: let me know how it's working for you. And if
35:18
Speaker 8: you're happy there, then we sign with them.
35:20
Speaker 5: If you're not.
35:21
Speaker 8: We'll be waiting here for you. Well, he did call.
35:24
Speaker 8: It was actually Andrew Colvett who called me. I'd never
35:26
Speaker 8: met Andrew before, who's his longtime agent and producer, and
35:31
Speaker 8: said he wanted to talk to Salem about bringing the podcast,
35:35
Speaker 8: which at that point had become quite successful, and he
35:38
Speaker 8: wanted to bring it over to Salem. And so we
35:40
Speaker 8: started working that out. But one thing that Charlie told
35:43
Speaker 8: me in the first time that I met with him
35:46
Speaker 8: was that he wanted to be the guy to someday
35:49
Speaker 8: fill Rush Limbaugh's shoes. Now, that told me a lot
35:52
Speaker 8: about him because not too many people were big enough
35:56
Speaker 8: at that time to even consider filling Rush Limbaugh's shoes.
36:00
Speaker 8: The fact that he was thinking like that meant that
36:03
Speaker 8: he was thinking big. And he had.
36:06
Speaker 5: a belief in.
36:07
Speaker 8: Himself that he could do this. Now, my problem was
36:11
Speaker 8: that the Rush Limbaugh slot, which is noon to three Eastern,
36:16
Speaker 8: was also Dennis Prager's slot. So if I was to
36:19
Speaker 8: bring Charlie onto the Salem platform, I had to figure
36:22
Speaker 8: out a way to squeeze the two together and convince
36:25
Speaker 8: stations to take both. That took quite a bit of doing.
36:29
Speaker 8: But after we got him signed and we were able
36:32
Speaker 8: to launch the radio show, stations began to take an
36:35
Speaker 8: hour of Charlie and two hours of Prager. Now, here's
36:39
Speaker 8: the kind of classy guy Dennis Prager is and was. Dennis,
36:43
Speaker 8: of course, he's not going to be happy that we're
36:45
Speaker 8: giving an hour of his show away to Charlie Kirk.
36:48
Speaker 8: But he said, look, because it's Charlie, I believe in
36:51
Speaker 8: him so much, I'm not going to have a problem
36:54
Speaker 8: with this. So Dennis Prager was big enough to say,
37:00
Speaker 8: Squeeze Charlie in over the top of my show. We'll
37:03
Speaker 8: somehow make it work. And we did, which was really
37:06
Speaker 8: the amazing thing. When we went back over the archives
37:10
Speaker 8: to find some of the clips that we wanted to
37:12
Speaker 8: pull out to run a Charlie Kirk tribute, one of
37:15
Speaker 8: them was a 2015 interview that Dennis Prager did with
37:18
Speaker 8: 22-year-old Charlie Kirk. And it's fascinating to hear what they
37:25
Speaker 8: were talking about at that time. Now, remember, Charlie had
37:28
Speaker 8: started Turning Point USA in his parents' garage when he
37:32
Speaker 8: was 18. So at that point, that was four years later,
37:36
Speaker 8: it was starting to grow and build and become a
37:38
Speaker 8: big organization. So that's the amazing thing about Charlie. He
37:42
Speaker 8: had big dreams, big goals, believed in himself, and he
37:47
Speaker 8: knew he could do it. And look, I've met many
37:50
Speaker 8: talk show hosts who have the same feeling, but it's
37:53
Speaker 8: that one feeling, the drive to succeed that I find
37:57
Speaker 8: in all of these talk show hosts, you included, Mike,
38:00
Speaker 8: Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, all of the guys we have
38:03
Speaker 8: now at Salem.
38:04
Speaker 4: I see that quality in them.
38:07
Speaker 2: Well, you also have an ability to let your faith
38:12
Speaker 2: get you through real challenging times. We're talking to my boss,
38:16
Speaker 2: Phil Boyce, who's the Senior Vice President of Content here
38:18
Speaker 2: in Salem Media. You mentioned, Dennis, you know, I look
38:23
Speaker 2: at what the last few years have meant for our
38:25
Speaker 2: company and to you. Of course, losing Charlie a year
38:28
Speaker 2: ago today to an assassin's bullet. We lost Seb Gorka
38:32
Speaker 2: to the White House. He wanted to work for President Trump.
38:34
Speaker 2: He had a thriving show on Salem Media. Dennis, of course,
38:38
Speaker 2: had a terrible fall at his home in Los Angeles.
38:42
Speaker 2: In the Los Angeles area, we lost Dennis. We lost
38:45
Speaker 2: Chris DeGaulle who wanted to go become a congressman, and
38:48
Speaker 2: God bless him. But, Phil, every time I'd say to you,
38:53
Speaker 2: how are you getting through this? Because, look, this falls
38:56
Speaker 2: on your shoulders and the executive team at Salem to
38:59
Speaker 2: have to make decisions that are very tricky and very complicated.
39:03
Speaker 2: And even though we're dealing with human loss and lives
39:06
Speaker 2: and heartache and pain— we're a business and you've got to,
39:11
Speaker 2: you're the guy that's got to keep, as they say,
39:13
Speaker 2: the proverbial trains running on time. But you always had
39:16
Speaker 2: a very simple answer to me as to where you
39:19
Speaker 2: turned when you have these challenges. And I hope you
39:22
Speaker 2: don't mind sharing your answer with our audience because you
39:26
Speaker 2: have been tested, my friend, the company has been tested
39:29
Speaker 2: and yet we kind of know where to go when
39:32
Speaker 2: we have these tests in front of us.
39:35
Speaker 8: Yeah, we've never been through anything like this at Salem
39:39
Speaker 8: for the last year and a half. As you mentioned,
39:41
Speaker 8: all those that we lost and some of them for
39:44
Speaker 8: good things, some of them for bad things. And in
39:47
Speaker 8: every single case, God sent a replacement. And I have
39:52
Speaker 8: to turn my faith and my trust to the Lord.
39:54
Speaker 8: I could not do this by myself. People ask me, well,
39:58
Speaker 8: where did you get this ability to pick great talk
40:01
Speaker 8: talent like the ones that I've mentioned? And it's really
40:04
Speaker 8: not me. I think it's a gift that God gave
40:07
Speaker 8: me at an early age. I think I'm better managing
40:10
Speaker 8: people and in the C-suite than I am on the air.
40:14
Speaker 8: I started out on the air like a lot of
40:16
Speaker 8: us did at an AM rocker. And I thought it
40:18
Speaker 8: was the funnest thing I'd ever had the opportunity to do.
40:22
Speaker 8: Little did I know where it was going to lead me.
40:25
Speaker 8: And of course, now... Helping Salem through this difficult time
40:29
Speaker 8: and finding new talent and fighting the battle that we're
40:32
Speaker 8: in with this country. It's a thrilling opportunity, one that
40:36
Speaker 8: I always thank the Lord for because I couldn't do
40:40
Speaker 8: it without him.
40:41
Speaker 2: Well, to be able to take time today to just
40:44
Speaker 2: focus on the Charlie Kirk we knew and loved is important.
40:48
Speaker 2: You've been an important part of his life. Look, he
40:51
Speaker 2: was a student of talk radio. I'll never, ever forget
40:55
Speaker 2: having my heart touched by Andrew Colvett. who stood up
40:58
Speaker 2: at a group in Tampa, Florida one day and said,
41:01
Speaker 2: it's always been reported that Charlie grew up listening to
41:03
Speaker 2: Rush Limbaugh, but in reality, Charlie not only listened and
41:06
Speaker 2: grew up on Rush Limbaugh, he grew up on Mike Gallagher.
41:09
Speaker 2: And that just, to this day, I get a little
41:12
Speaker 2: emotional when I think of that because to believe that
41:15
Speaker 2: any of us old-timers had any impact on Charlie's life
41:20
Speaker 2: is incredible. And I will tell you, Phil, on a
41:22
Speaker 2: very personal note, to know you and work for you
41:25
Speaker 2: for the better part of 30 years, It's been a
41:27
Speaker 2: real blessing in my life because there are very few managers,
41:31
Speaker 2: very few bosses in the universe who have the kind
41:34
Speaker 2: of core convictions you have to do the right thing,
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Speaker 8: And same to you, Mike. Thank you. Thank you very much.
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Speaker 3: Stop being so next life focused if it comes at
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Speaker 3: my kingdom is out of this world. But Jesus said,
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Speaker 3: And so we're supposed to bring heaven to earth if
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Speaker 3: be a spectator. to sit idly by, not engage, not participate.
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Speaker 3: Is your hesitation rooted in biblical truth or in kind
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Speaker 3: of fleshly gain? Are you afraid of the names that
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk, the one-year anniversary of his passing. Tomorrow, Mark returns,
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Speaker 2: and we will present a special 9-11 tribute. It will
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Speaker 2: be the 25th anniversary of 9-11. That will be tomorrow
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Speaker 2: on the M & M podcast. I hope you join
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Speaker 2: us then. In the meantime, again, keep Charlie in your
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Speaker 2: heart today. God bless Charlie Kirk. Thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 2: I'm Mike Gallagher on behalf of Mark Davis for the
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