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EP: 13 Dune + Dune Pt.2 Review · The Podyssey: A Film Podcast

• henry: Hey guys, welcome back to the Podicy. I'm Henry Wilkinson. I'm Andrew Mosler. Welcome to episode thirteen of our podcast. And today we're gonna be reviewing Dune and Dune Two. So both Dune movies that have come out so far. I'm sure a lot of you are wondering why we're doing this now and not closer to when it comes out. But Andrew just recently watched the first two for the first time and we just really wanted to talk about it. And I think a lot of stuff approaching that December eighteenth date is gonna be a lot of Marvel stuff. So yeah, we figured we'd we'd do it now. while it's still fresh in our in our minds, especially for Andrew after his first watch. and it's been a while since we've recorded actually. There's been some technical difficulties we've been dealing with behind the scenes and I was just out of town, Andrew is out of town. We're finally back. Excited for this Dune episode. But it's been a while. So what what have you been watching since the last time we've met? Dude, yeah, it's been a while. And we just we got a hundred followers today on Instagram. Yeah, let's go. Bang. So Yeah. Shout out shout out to everyone that's following the page. It's that's been fun to see it slowly go up. So Yeah. Yeah, but I've been really trying to catch up on twenty twenty six. Mm-hmm. so I watched a good amount of twenty twenty six movies and then just kinda some overlap from Ridley Scott, I watched Thelma and Louise and the last duel. so those were both I really liked Thelma and Louise and the last duel was pretty pretty okay. I thought it was a cool way of telling the story but I just didn't really love Matt Damon's performance or Ben Affleck's performance. Mm-hmm. I thought Adam Driver is really good, but other than that, it's a pretty pretty all right movie. But yeah, so I watched Supergirl 'cause I'm trying to catch up on DC a little bit. before Clayface and kind of before. well, Man of Tomorrow is later, but yeah, I'm just trying to catch up on James Gunn DC. some superhero's pretty mid, honestly. Like I wasn't really expecting it to be really like anything crazy just from the reviews and people were mostly negative about it, so it wasn't very good, but but then I watched a five out of five movie, The Chief Detectives. Man, that was so good, dude. You and I was like 'Cause I'd wanted to watch it for a long time. Ever since I saw the trailer, just 'cause I thought it was like interesting and kind of funny. And then you and Addison watched it. And you what'd you give it a two and a half? Two and a half. Yeah. So then I was like kinda like, All right, whatever, like I'll kind of just throw it on. And I was like, kinda just like, where'd my parents? My parents are somewhere like out for dinner or something. Yeah. So it's just me. And then I was just hanging out with my dog and like just like kinda watching it a little bit at the start. And within like ten minutes I like turned my phone off, like just completely locked in. And I was just kinda captivated by the movie. But I I really enjoyed it. I thought it was like really fun and also really sad and heartwarming and a good message. And yeah, I honestly I d I didn't see it coming at all either. Like did did you? Yeah. You did? Yeah. No way. You s you knew the twist? You saw it coming? That makes me feel so stupid. I was like, this is a banger twist. Like I did not see this coming at all. I mean yeah. I mean it it always is someone like you don't expect, I guess. And without spoiling anything, I guess. But yeah, no, I really liked it. me me and Alison both both saw it coming. Okay, you guys are s way smarter than me. I I didn't see it coming at all, dude. But I I mean it's got like a three point eight or three point nine or something. I mean the majority of people that have watched it this year have really, really liked it. I just I mean overall I was just like okay. Like it wasn't a movie I hated. Right. But yeah, I just did not connect with it as much as 'cause yeah, I'll see I'll see people online that are like Crying after like they're posting the finishing not not gonna lie. The finishing credits or whatever of Sheep Detectives and they're like crying. And I was kind of a I guess that was probably part of the reason too, is I was expecting something like that. Sure, sure. At the end too. So I think I was kinda numb to it. But Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm glad you loved it. Five stars. I did. I I honestly want to watch it again, like pretty soon here. Yeah. be a good one to watch with my mom or something. Yeah. then I watched the worst movie I've seen in a very long time. and that was Bus Boys. This is the Theo Vaughn and David Spade movie, which I love Theo Vaughn. Mm-hmm. And I love David Spade. And David Spade has some banger movies. Tommy Boy like one of the best comedies of all time. the grown ups movies are all really funny. And it was just like terr like it was so bad. Like there's like a couple funny lines and like that's it. Like it's just like so bad. Like I was like struggling to get through the movie. Like there's l I wanted to turn it off like so many times. Yeah. And yeah, so there I I really don't have a lot more to say. It was just like weird and not funny and I don't know. Like it 'cause those two guys are like really funny comics and I would think like they they would be able to make like a really good movie. but apparently not. because it was really bad. So yeah. And then I watched another Hugh Jackman. I watched The Death of Robin Hood, which is another in twenty twenty six. Wow, you did a lot, yeah. Dude, I know, yeah. I was I had a couple I think I had two two movie days. Wow. That's huge. and it was pretty good. I I thought it was like a is a interesting like kind of twist on Robin Hood, that like you wouldn't really think of or like isn't really tackled at all in any of the Robin Hood movies I've seen. but yeah, he he d he did he gives a decent performance. the same actress who's in the last duel, who's like the main actress is Jody Comer? Yeah, is that her name? Yeah, if it's the main actress. Yeah, yep. She's in. I love Jody Cole. Yeah, she was she was really good. and yeah, I don't know. It was I mean it's it's A twenty four, so it's kinda got like that dark twist and kind of dark feel to it, which I thought was pretty cool. but yeah, other than that, nothing crazy. Like there's some cool visuals for sure, but nothing really blew me out of the water. I I don't have this in movie news, but have you seen the stuff with the Uprising, like the new Andrew Garfield movie? What that's kind stuff. Like Well, they like were marketing it not as a Robin Hood movie and then they said something in the marketing and they're like they hinted at something about Robin Hood and then they went back on it and said it's not Robin Hood. I saw a clip of like Andrew Garfield saying like I swear I saw a clip of him saying like Robin Hood does this in the movie or something like yeah. So I I think it's a Robin Hood movie. It's gotta be. But like what what is the big deal with Robin Hood? Like there's so many Robin Hood movies. Dude, there is a lot of Robin Hood movies, and there's a lot of good Robin Hood movies. And there's like And there's probably a lot of terrible there is a lot of terrible the Russell Crowe one is absolutely terrible. Yeah, and that's I've heard and that's Ridley Scott, and I have I haven't seen that one. But There's just like a ton of Robin Hood IP. I don't know if it makes money or it must. And I think I'm well, I mean it was insane it's insane. I mean, it's insanely popular like within Disney, right? Yeah. Like the old the old Robin Hood Yeah. So I guess that kinda makes sense, but Yeah, I don't know. I think this I think Uprising is more like fo kind of focused on the story of this guy though. Like I That doesn't like I literally I don't know like anything about Robin Hood hardly. I I don't really either. Yeah I I just feel like I don't know. Yeah, I have to look more about the uprising because the thing I was watching with Andrew Garfield, he was saying like it's the like this one guy who essentially like kinda sways the the public into like battling back against like the government and like Okay. They're like treating all the peasants and people terrible and like this guy kinda causes the the rebellion. So I don't know, that's that's kinda different than yeah the Robin Hood story, steal from the rich, give to the poor. Yeah. You know, so I don't know. Maybe they just Yeah, that that's interesting. I didn't really think about that even, but I just I when the 'cause they have not been marketing it as like a Robin Hood movie. Yeah. And then it came out and then everyone's like Wait, this is a Robin Hood movie? Yeah, I wonder like if maybe this is like the true story of Robin Hood. Yeah. But I don't know. what else? What else did you watch? then I watched five another five out of five Dropic Thunder. So is that a rewatch? Or is that your first okay? No, yeah, I've seen that a bunch of times. I've never I don't think I've ever logged it though. Okay. but literally just like a timeless Comedy classic. Yeah, I gotta I still gotta watch that. Dude, it's so funny. And it's just like like it if it just feels like one of those like l like those two thousand comedies that like could never be made today. Like RDJ's doing blackface, like what else is just like that's pretty much pretty much it, but it's just so funny, like the the whole all the lines are great, like Ben Stiller directs it. Tom Cruise is in it. And I think they're gonna do a spin off movie of Tom Cruise's character. god. Like they've been talking about it, which would be so funny I think. Because his character is so funny in the movie. but yeah Matthew McConaughey, Bill Hader, Danny McBride Like the cast is absolutely stacked. Yeah, the cast is crazy. But yeah, it's just like it's just really funny. I don't know, it's just one of those one of those movies that's really funny. Yeah, I I gotta watch that. Yeah, that's great. What about you? What have you been watching? All right, so since we've last met I've watched a ton of movies. Yeah. Well it's been over a week since we recorded. You had some plane rides? Plane rides. Nice. Last weekend I was well, I guess like the weekend before last weekend, I was sick. And that's right. I watched I watched like six movies over the weekend. Yeah. so I'll start there. I watched Dune. First time I watched well, I'll I'm I'll save Dune. then I watched Practical Magic with my girlfriend. She watched it for the first time a year or so ago in her apartment. She's really excited for fall. It's got fall vibes. And the second Practical Magic is coming out like very, very soon. Who directs that? was like it was an very interesting director. I feel like I've seen it like on Come on, security. Griffin Dunn is the director. He's the he's like he's a very famous actor. But he is not a very famous director. Gotcha. He's the main character in After Hours. Have you ever seen After Hours? It's Martin Scorsese. Mm. But he's he's he's like a really famous actor from like the eighties and nineties. but it's Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman are like the two main characters. It was it was okay. I gave it a three stars. It's pretty predictable and has some Predictable for you. Maybe you're a mega movie scene genius, I guess. Maybe I'll have to watch it and it'll be a five out of five, dude. I don't know. I I thought it I thought it looked really good. Sandra Bullock is like actually acting really good. It's like super campy and stuff. And I think it kinda works in its favor in this movie just because it's like about like magic and stuff. So I feel like you kinda have to lean into that a little bit for it to work. Addison, I don't know what she would give it, but she really likes the movie, so it was fun to watch. then I watched Prometheus. Which is a Ridley Scott movie I really wanted to watch. It's kind of a divisive film. It's got like a three point two on letterbox, but if I filter it for my friends, it's got like a three point eight. I saw some people doing Ridley rankings that had rated it in like the top five of Ridley Scott movies. It's not a direct spin off of Alien, but I think it helps to have watched that movie before you watch it. And then this is like the start of a new trilogy. So it's Prometheus, Alien Covenant, and Alien Romulus. And I really liked Prometheus. I gave it four and a half stars. Dang. It is like the opening of it is one of the sickest openings of all time. Yeah. And apparently when the trailer came out, the trailer was like literally it showed like without people really knowing, because it's just kind of like aerial shots of like landscape landscapes and stuff and it's like super dark and you don't like know that that's the start of the movie but then it turns out it is. But when the trailer came out, like apparently it just broke the internet 'cause like how sick it looked and everyone was super excited for it. And I can see why. And I don't really like trailers though, but I ended up watching the trailer after the movie and I'm like, wow, that is a pretty sweet trailer 'cause it basically just shows the opening. But yeah, there's just like some really interesting underlying themes regarding like the belief in God and our creator and what knowledge like we are owed, like what what knowledge we're entitled to and kind of how like the stuff that we think we're entitled to we're really not. and I think a lot of people have different interpretations on the film, but it's it was really cool and visually it was really, really good, obviously. and Michael Fastbender is like this like robot guy, and he's just like so creepy the whole movie. Like he just plays him absolutely perfectly. But there's an interesting dynamic there because Michael's character, his name is David in the movie. He is a robot and he's like starting to like find humanity in himself. And all these people are basically on this mission to like hopefully meet their God. And his God or his creator are like these people on this ship basically. And he's like trying to ask them. questions like phrasing questions. basically to kinda get them to think about things differently because they don't hold like any sort of sentiment to David at all. And he's like, what if you were on this whole mission and you found out that that like your God didn't hold any sentiment towards you, and then they're like, that'd really suck, basically. So you kind of start vibing with David as a character, and Michael Fastbender just is like really, really good at playing this robot guy. But yeah, that was great. Then I watched Isle of Dogs, which is the other Wes Anderson stop motion film. In my opinion, it does not come close to Fantastic Mr. Fox. It kind of got like political and like revolutionary and stuff like that, which just didn't fully work for me. Or I think it works for a lot of people. But it looks great. It's kinda like the same well, literally is the same style as Fantastic Mr. Fox. so visually it's really cool. And yeah, I mean as as like a dog owner, it was kinda cool to have it from like the perspective of these dogs. Yeah, three and a half. It was good. I didn't love it. Then I watched Transformers for the first time. which one? The first one. The very first one. Nice. RIP to Peter Cullen. Dude, yeah. I kept on seeing a bunch of people like rewatching it, and I'm like, well, geez, I've never even watched it once. gave it four stars. I really liked it. It's like I don't know. Like everyone loves to like discs on CGI but I think it's just people just used to handle CGI with way more care than they do now, I feel like. Yeah. And I think Transformers is a great example. 'Cause it just it like looks great. Like nothing looks fake like when they're transforming into like whether they're transforming into them into themselves or like into the vehicles, like it looks like they're actually interacting with the environment around them. And just like the the line deliveries, obviously from Peter Cullen are like legendary, but just like all of them are really sick. And it's just kind of what movies are meant to be, like something as abstract of an idea as Transformers, like Yeah, for sure. Being able to buy into that concept and idea and just kind of be swept swept away in that for two hours is Yeah, it's what it's what movies movies are supposed to be. so yeah, I'm surprised I never seen it before, but I guess like my family, we didn't like we didn't really grow up with those kind of movies like We'd always just watch like a sports movie or like a war movie or something like that. and then I watched Furiosa, a Mad Max saga, which I've been wanting watch for a long time. I gave it a three and a half. I think the story is very, very compelling. I watched Fury Road and I didn't love it. And I I think it's kind of a similar thing for me as like Dunkirk was where it's kind of plotless in a sense, where like Fury Road is literally them going out to deliver or like exchange oil and gas for water and then they try to escape and they end up driving back basically to where they started. There's not much dialogue there. That's kinda how Dunkirk was for me the first time. And then I have just seen a bunch of positive stuff about Furiosa and how it's more More accessible for the audience and I thought I'd really like that. And I liked it from a story part. I did not like the visuals at all. and a lot of people that's one of the high points for a lot of people. I just think you can tell, like there are definitely times where they're shooting it like on a sound stage as opposed to like actually shooting it in Australia, which is how they did the first movie. Like it's just like the physics of things are like working against each other. Yeah, I don't know. I was I'm just like so confused how pe people like love how it looks 'cause you can just tell in like so many scenes that a lot of it's just fake. And I just couldn't get over it. It was just too inconsistent for me. There are parts of it where it looks great. And I looked it up. It's literally like all the parts where they're actually shooting on scene, which makes sense. But yeah, like the first movie, it's just like as practical as possible. And it looks great. I just wasn't fully bought into the story. And I gave it a three and a half. And the second one, I loved the story and I didn't love the visuals. It was still a three and a half. But Anya Taylor Joy is really good in it. She kinda carries carries the movie for me. but it's interesting 'cause then I rewatched Fury Road after watching Furiosa and Furiosa is like a prequel and I think knowing the background of Furiosa like retroactively made me like Fury Road more. I ended up bumping Fury Road up to a four and a half. But I also think it was kind of just like the Dunkirk experience for me. Like it is a very bare bones movie. just 'cause there's not as much dialogue, but there is like a lot of politics and stuff kind of ingrained in it that I think just went over my head the first time. And yeah, so Fury Road I gave a four and a half. Rewatch Prisoners, five star, Denis Villeneuve banger. Jake Jell and all Hugh Jackman, Crime Thriller. Mystery. That's that's really good. Doing part two, five stars. You prisoners five stars? Yep. Yeah. I'll save my thoughts on Dune Part 2. Then I watched Phantom Threat on the Plane. It's a PTA. It's been on my list for a long time. That's right. Three and a half. I really liked the filmmaking aspects of everything. I think Daniel Day Lewis is really, really good, which I was expecting just because he's a phenomenal actor. but the girl Vicky Kripes, she was really, really good. And she reminded me a lot of like Renata Rheinsva in it. she just really surprised me. I'd never seen her in anything. I just think like the like the love story and just like the story in general. It's about like a dressmaker falling in love. I don't know, I just never really fully bought into it. It's nothing like that the movie did wrong. I just didn't. Fully connect with it, I guess. Alright, three more movies here. Dang. how many so how many total did you watch? Thirteen movies. Sheesh. watch the Untouchables. which is I don't I don't know the name of the American remake, but it's French movie just about a guy who just got out of prison who's trying to get this thing signed. He needs like three job interviews to like prove that he's trying to get a job basically. And one of them was this like caretaker for this super wealthy paralyzed guy. And he ends up getting it and they end up forming a really good relationship together and they both kinda help each other out a lot. and it's just a really heartwarming, heartwarming movie. And it's way better than the American remake. The American remake like Kevin Hart and Brian Cranston. that's right. And yeah. So that was fun to watch. Shout out Andreas. I asked him to make me a list of a bunch of French movies to watch. This is one of And this was one that I already had on my watch list, so I'm like, All right, we're gonna check it off. Watched Ladybird, I lo it was okay. I gave it a three stars, but I'm also like just super conflicted on how I feel about it. Sir Sharonan is like a really good actress. I know that. Timothy Chalamet's in it. He doesn't really do anything crazy in it. it's just about a girl who's going off to college and she kinda has a back and forth relationship with her mom. And I think they depict like what it feels like going to college really, really well. But there's just some stuff that I wasn't agreeing with and I think I was being super judgmental of like the character and then at the end it hits you with something and I'm like, maybe I was being too judgmental, but so yeah, it'd probably benefit from a rewatch. I don't know if I will for a while, but it's still good. Three stars. And then Godzilla minus one. Japanese Godzilla film, kinda like a sci fi action epic, I think I put in my review. It's like Jurassic Park, Dunkirk, and Yeah. Jurassic Park, Jaws, and Dunkirk, like in a movie. It looks great. All the characters are great. It's epic. Yeah. And there's a new one coming out, so I wanted to watch it. Watch it on the plane yesterday. What'd you give that one? Four stars. And what'd you give Intouchables? Four stars. Nice. Yeah. So yeah, a lot of lot of stuff that we both have watched since we last met. It's been what It's been over a week. What would you recommend out of all those? The biggest one I'd recommend. Well you you haven't seen Fury Road yet, have you? No. I'd probably s I'd probably go Ooh. No, you haven't seen prisoners. Prisoners then. Yeah. Prisoners. I'd probably go Prisoners one. Yeah. Fury Road two. Just for someone who hasn't seen any of those movies. Yeah. Yeah. I'd go yeah, Prisoners One, Fear Road Two, and then I I'd probably go Untouchables three. Nice. I have Prometheus at a four and a half, but I think that's kind of It'll probably vary a lot more from person to person. Right. Or like Intouchables, I think is Yeah, can reach a lot of people. Yeah. All right. Movie news, which was I mean, it's it's been a while since we met. So I have a lot of stuff on here. I don't know if I'll cover all of it. Yeah. Focus features they are pushing a campaign for Indy Navaretti for best lead actress for the Oscars this year. and like they're just gonna push for obsession as a whole. And I think a big part of her doing lead actress is because of how strong the supporting actress pool already is with Anne Hathaway from the Odyssey, Penelope Cruz from the Invite, and the lead actress competition is much more open in the air. I looked online a couple different places and the favorite right now is Julianne Moore for the movie The Debut, which is directed by Jesse Eisenberg. but that movie hasn't even released yet. Who yeah, so who is the other lead actress? I don't even I don't I don't I don't I can't remember. So it's her from a movie that hasn't come out yet? Yeah. Probably and Indy So that they're gonna push Indy for lead. So they can just change what she Well they hadn't you have to like declare what what one you're gonna end up going for. okay. I don't know what when you have to make that distinction by, but Focus just came out and said they're gonna do lead actress. Okay, but so is that only for a role kinda like that? Like Like there are obviously movies where they're like cle it's clear that you're a lead actress. Yeah. This is obsession is one where it could go either way. Yeah. So just 'cause you have to declare in those Yeah. 'Cause like the main character of obsession is Bear. Right. But they both share like a very similar amount of screen time. So and there's like there's category fraud every year as far as like people right campaigning for different stuff to try and win. Yeah. But I don't know. I c I I kind of see her as a lead actress in that movie. I don't think there's like anything taboo about that. No, yeah, I agree. But I I think she's probably the front runner at this point. I can't really think of too many other like lead performances that have caught my eye a ton. Yeah, I would honestly say in supporting actress too, I would I would probably put her up there. Exactly. I just think I think I'm right. It's obviously more competitive. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely for sure. But and I looked and I like at some of the places it was like they had Anne Hathaway one, Penelope Cruise two, and Indy three. And there's probably gonna be more movies that come out. Yeah. like the leading actress one that has Julianne Moore at one one. That's like more of like a projection than it is. But so yeah, so that's interesting. I think that's cool. I think it'll be big just for her to get nominated, just 'cause like independent horror doesn't really get nominated too often. so that'll be awesome. This has gone under the radar, I think, but tr the trailer for Zack Snyder's The Last Photograph. Unofficial release date. It's pr premiering at TIFF this this month. It follows a man searching for his missing niece and nephew with the help of a photographer. And the only piece of Snyder I've seen is Man of Steel, which I didn't love, but that was more so because of how Superman was portrayed than like The stylistic stuff. How long ago did the movie? sometime last summer. okay. It's like a little over a year ago, probably. Okay. I think just from a look side of it, I like Man of Steel more than Superman. What do you mean you don't like how Superman is portrayed in Man of Steel? I think I think he is he's not okay. Wait, do you think do you think he's portrayed better in James Gunn Superman? Superman as a character, do you think he's better portrayed in Superman or Man of Steel? Superman, probably. I think so too. yeah, definitely Superman. Yeah. Everything else I really liked of Man of Steel, actually, like Hans Zimmer does the score. I think it looks great. There's a lot of stuff towards the end of the movie where I'm just like, This is Yeah. Going a little too far. Yeah. I don't think this is actually who Superman's supposed to be. Right. There's some advice that his dad gives him that pissed me off too. So I got some gripes with it. But that's all I've seen of his all of his other stuff, like all the other Justice League movies seem like that you guys either love or they absolutely hate them. Yeah. So I really want to watch those just 'cause I'm curious about it. But this is like the first movie in a while where Snyder's done something like himself kind of. Mm-hmm. it's completely original. The trailer looks like really frickin' good in my opinion. and I just I haven't heard a ton of people talking about it. I've only seen like one or two Snyder heads being like pumped for it, but I'm really excited for it. no release date yet. It's either gonna be end of twenty six or beginning of twenty seven, but I'm excited for it. So You gotta watch The Watchmen too. Yeah, I do have to watch the watchmen. Yeah. I've only seen those two from him. but I really like to watch him. No, you watch I thought you watched Batman vs. Superman. yeah, so three. Man of Steel. Yeah. Days of Thunder Two. Mm. June second, twenty twenty eight. Anne Hathaways joining Tom Cruise for a legacy sequel of the nineteen ninety movie. What do you what are you what are your thoughts? You've seen the first one. Yeah. I haven't seen it. I like the first one. but I don't love it. Yeah. I think I have it at a three. You do? Yeah. I I just think it's like very Early Tom Cruise ish and it's like I don't know. I yeah, I didn't I I think I could use a rewatch on it. I watched it on a plane and I don't know. I mean it's it's kind of similar to Top Gun. Yeah, that's what's where I say it And I I haven't seen Days of Thunder, but I'm just I'm just saying from like a fandom side of things. Definitely like it kind of just has those cult followers that love it. I don't think too many people like hate it really. yeah. I think the mo the majority of people just say it's like okay. Yeah. But I d and I don't know, 'cause the I can't the director I was looking at some of the stuff he did. let's see if I wrote it down. The director is essentially Tom Cruise though. Jonathan Levine is the director. Like Tom Cruise is damn near directing the movie. okay, that's what you're saying. Like it's like he's yeah, like he's the essentially he's the pioneer. For sure. Okay. But I mean like the past with Top Gun Maverick and the last two Mission Impossibles. Yeah. Maybe the last three. Actually the last three. Or you all the Mission Impossible. He is essentially like working with the director. Yeah. But him he gets the final say essentially. Even even with even with that said. I haven't seen any the Mission Impossibles, so this is all from data that I can see. Uhhuh. There are some discrepancies when you have a competent director in the franchise versus like someone that they just kind of filled in to be in a Mission Impossible director. 'Cause the first one the first two I think they had Brian De Palma, who's a very famous director from like the eighties and nineties. Like he did Scarface and Blow Out. And then there's like maybe one or two that have like below a three on letterbox and they're just kind of directors who I'm not sure of. But and then it picks up with the last three, it seems like. Yeah. but where like with Top Gun Maverick, you have Joe Kacinski coming in who I think they work I think it's I think he's at the point in his career where he can like like he picks someone he really wants to work with. Yeah. And someone who probably really wants to work with him. And like example A, Top Gun Maverick turns out to be really good. Like it's two people who like kinda have the same ish ideas and I think they just like he's gonna bounce off really well with them. And he's not gonna like pick someone to do the movie with that he doesn't like, I think. Yeah. Or like think is gonna do good. I think yeah, like I would I think it's gonna be really good if it's I mean Top Gun Maverick was yeah. Really good compared to Top Gun, in my opinion. I think you it was. Yeah. So I think that's gonna be Yeah, that's gonna be interesting for sure. All right. I got I got three more bullet points here, and then if you have stuff. Yeah, I've got a couple things to throw them in. Yeah. Knight Shyamalan's Remain movie starring Jake Gyllenhaal. The trailer dropped today. We talked about Knight last episode or two episodes ago. How Knight's trying to get this audience on YouTube he's a older filmmaker that's trying to adopt this sort of marketing. He's kind of been posting these YouTube videos as like journals of how he's made his older films and they've been like blowing up on YouTube, which is cool to see. And I saw someone posted a video like they've never seen this before, but like the director, their YouTube channel is like the first official thing for the trailer or whatever. And so I just thought that was really cool, like how proactive he's being with his marketing strategy and how he's trying to appeal to the younger generation and get people to go see his movie in theaters. I did not like his most recent movie, Trap. I thought it was stupid. This one does not look stupid from the trailer. and like you can kind of tell that trap is very unserious and satirical at times. It just didn't work for me. It worked for some people, but this one it looks more of like the night style that I really like. And that's just kind of like mind bending thriller sort of thing. Yeah. And Jake Dylan Hall and Knight Shyamalan just sounds like a really cool crossover for me. Those are kind of very a very divisive director and I think like a generally well received actor, but like he also hasn't gotten like critical recognition as far as like nominations or awards go. so I'm excited for that. I I think it it looks really good. It's a book that people really like. Shyamalan's been in a ton of communication with like the author from the book as far as the adaptation goes, so I'm excited for that. It's coming out on Valentine's Day, twenty twenty seven. Luca Guadino's trailer for Artificial came out starring Andrew Garfield as Sam Altman. The film follows a story involving open AI focused on the firing and rehiring of CEO Sam Altman in Theaters Christmas Day. I think it's a really cool story to be doing, like so fresh. Like I feel like a lot of a lot of topics that are super relevant like that, that kinda let breathe a little bit. But yeah, it it was Amazon Prime was gonna do it and then they dropped it, I think because they didn't like the AI thing and then Neon picked it up and everyone is grateful for that. So I don't know. P I I Luca Guanino did challengers a couple years ago. Some people really love I don't I'm kinda neutral on the movie, but Yeah. I saw the trailer, it looked cool. Yeah. And l that's what I was gonna say is It's so quick after like everything that happened. Yeah. Andrew Garfield in a biopic. Yeah. About tech. Yeah. Banger. Yeah, that's true. Certified banger. Yeah. Yeah, no, that looks pretty it looks interesting for sure. then the last thing I have is Godzilla minus zero. Yeah, when's that? November? November. That's all I got for you. I can't remember exact day. Yeah. But yeah, funny 'cause I just watched Godzilla minus one yesterday and then today got a notification that the trailer was dropping. I was like, that's perfect. fresh in my mind. It looks it looks amazing. Yeah. Like it's filmed for IMAX. They're gonna use the bigger ratio. There's a transition that they do in the trailer that looks really cool. I I don't know where they're gonna go from the first movie. That's my only kind of concern with it. And I might be the only person feeling that way because I haven't seen anyone else say that, but I'm gonna watch it because it's gonna be it's like an action spectacle. It's gonna be a sick experience. I just like story wise, I and they don't give anything away in the trailer, which I'm glad because I hate when trailers do that. Like the trailer just kind of shows some of the big set pieces. Okay. but yeah, I don't I don't know. I'm interested. Yeah. I still I still have to watch minus zero or minus one. Minus one. Minus one. Okay. Yeah, I still have to watch that. but yeah, that looks interesting. I just I didn't have I don't have too much stuff. but Venice film festival was this past Yeah. Week or whatever, I think like the second was the first night of it or something. And Casey Affleck had a movie in there that got received really well. It's called Company. It's like a creepy gothic like murder story. kinda. So that that looks interesting and That's right, I did see that. Yeah, that'll be cool, I think. So I I Remember I hadn't heard anything about it. Yeah. And then I saw the stuff from Yeah. Venice. And I saw people were logging it. So Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that looks that just looks cool. And then Penelope Cruise and Javier Bardum had a new movie there and it was people didn't like it. Really? Called Bunker is like Okay. but then at some film festival in Colorado this past week, Nathan Fielder, who does some great like comedy slash like mockumentary, like He just has like a really interesting spin on like comedy and like I don't know, he just has a really creative brain and he's super funny. his last the end of his show, he did like a pretty cool piece where like he he essentially like became a pilot and like debunked like or like found out a lot more about like the security And the requirements to become a pilot, basically like exposing the industry on like how easy it is to become a pilot. And it was really funny and it was really good. but he's doing a a new documentary that's produced by A twenty four and Lance Oppenheim, who's doing prime time. so this is him too, and it's called You Can See Everything and it's about Elizabeth Holmes. She's like the founder of Theranos, which is like a blood testing company. She like essentially claimed that like all her medical equipment could detect diseases and a bunch of stuff just by a prick of blood instead of like drawing blood from like veins. so like a bunch of investors were like super all in on it and like and then it ended up being not like none of the equipment. Like worked and so she got hit for like defrauding investors and some other stuff. What else? So she got sentenced and thirty-four days before she was sentenced, like they got they kinda like got access to her and Fielder was like living with her and her family. The trailer or like the slip they showed looks so just hilarious. Like they're just like talking and like she's being really creepy and weird. She's so creepy. And he's just like just kinda like he's just so funny, like yeah. And like he just like he will commit to the bit no matter what. Like his life is essentially a bit, which is just like I don't know, it looks so good. so I'm really excited for that. I can't remember when it's supposed to come out. Does it say it's I know it's coming out this year. Yeah. I don't know when. Yeah, I saw it. Probably doesn't say. I But that just looks really good. He's just so funny and I think it'll just be interesting too. So what have you seen any of his stuff? Yeah, so the he's got a sh I haven't seen any of it. What is it what else does he have? What's the Okay, well Marcel the sell the shell with shoes on? he's he's an actor, okay. Yeah, where it probably doesn't have a show on there. He's got like a a funny like comedy show that's like Essentially just like almost like Skits and It's kinda like Matt Johnson esque like okay doing the prank on someone. Yeah. Not that isn't like doing the legit thing and then filming it and as a comedy. Yeah. so he reminds me a lot of Matt Johnson. Okay, cool. but he is just like s severely like autistic and like is j it's just hilarious. Like I he's so funny and just yeah, I'm excited for that. So I don't know when it's gonna come out, but hopefully sometime soon it looks pretty pretty cool. And then dude, Twitter is the plug for like leaking like pictures for the new any new movie or whatever. Like the Batman. yeah, the set photos and dude, there's some sick photos of Pattinson, like his face is all bloodied up and like the Batman mask is broken. Yeah. And That just looks sick and then canon, apparently. There's like stuff they think it's gonna be this one scene from the comics. I don't for those that maybe don't want that revealed. Some people speculating that it was just like it's gonna be one night. Yeah. Like the whole movie's gonna be one night. Yeah. Which I don't know. It better be like twelve hours. Dude, yeah, for real. And then I saw part three isn't like not happening. Just Robert Pattinson isn't gonna be in it. They like Part of three is probably gonna happen, but they're not shooting him back to back. Yeah. Because like people have b were saying they were shooting him back to back. Yeah. And then James Gunn, since it's a DC production, yeah, like it's James Gunn technically, like like overseen it or whatever. Dude, like he's like all into like the like trying to connect more with the audience. So he'll like if someone has a question on Twitter, he'll like reply to it. I don't know if you've seen that. Yeah. Someone was like they're saying like is the part three shooting back to back of part two? And he's like, No, blah, blah. And then I saw some guys on Instagram like, James Gunn needs to shut the like leave Matt Reed and just let him do it. I was like, dude, yeah. I think those are I think those those are the guys that I listened to. Yeah, yeah. I think I think it was George Carmi from the Real Talk Podcast. Okay. He's like, James Gunn, you need to stay in your effing lane, yeah. Like you do your Is he on a webcam? Supergirl, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You do your supergirl flash spin-off show, BS to the side. Let the real man and Matt reuse like all this stuff. I agree a hundred percent. Because it's not like it doesn't j like James Gunn do your D C universe and dude, let the Batman be on its own. Yeah. so yeah, and then I saw Some speculation of them like moving it up. Part two? Yeah. Okay. To October. That'd be awesome. That'd be yeah beautiful. So October twenty twenty seven. Yeah. Okay. 'Cause that's a lot different than October twenty twenty eight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. But I saw speculation that Pattinson might only be doing that would suck, bro. You can't just do two. I was not do three. He literally has already cited that it's way harder on his body than it was in twenty nineteen when they shot the first one. You're fine. He said he can tell that it's been seven years since they shot the first one. That is interesting. I can't believe they shot the first one in 2019 and it didn't come out until 2022. Yeah. Yeah, hopefully there's another a third movie, but I hope so. I hope, yeah. October would be sick for that one to come out. Well, I guess it's winter, so true. I don't know. Yeah. it's gotta come out before Christmas. 'Cause there's so much there's like Christmas decorations and stuff on scene. Really? Yeah, I feel like if I watch it in February, yeah. I mean it's not gonna make that much of a difference, but anyways. Christmas would be sick. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Is that all you got for movies? All right. Yep. I know A lot of people have been saying that the Podicy has kind of been their lease on Al Ghaib for movie podcasts. True. I've heard that a lot too. Yeah. so here we go. We're gonna f we're gonna get into Dune. We'll yeah, we'll do we'll go we'll go one by one. I was gonna say maybe we could do sport of free for both of but we'll do Dune. for those that don't know, it's a novel. It's adapted from a novel from the sixties by Frank Herbert. Here it is. Very, very yeah. Very, very famous novel. It was a really big deal and it was coming out. It won a bunch of awards. David Lynch tried to make like literally all of the books into a movie and I haven't seen it, but apparently like everything that happens in like the first Two movies basically is like literally the first hour of David Lynch's Dune. So It was just too much for one movie basically. people did not like that at all. David Lynch says he's not proud of it at all. And for a long time it was like called this unfilmable series, basically. And then Dune, the first one, comes out in an interesting time, comes out twenty twenty one, right after COVID. theaters are not doing well. And it actually comes out in theaters and on HBO Max at the same time. and it still like shattered the box office. Like people were still going to see it in theaters. It was a big movie for getting people back into theaters. it was really cool. It still managed to make like almost five hundred million dollars on like a hundred something million dollar budget. and yeah, I received a ton of Oscar nominations, won some below the line stuff at the Oscars. Six Oscars for for Dune part one. Okay. Six out of ten. Yeah. Dang. Yeah. best original score, best sound, best cinematography, and best production design. Yes. Those those are the four at one. lost best picture, best original screenplay. So best makeup and best costume design. So you hear all those nominations. It's literally like all the technical stuff that goes in a film, but somehow Denise didn't get nominated for best director. I don't know how he didn't get nominated for best director. Basically like Okay. You did everything right in making the movie. He had great visuals and great sound and score and all this stuff, but the director doesn't get any recognition. I don't know. But Dune Part One. Paul Traides, a brilliant and gifted young man born into a great destiny beyond his understanding, must travel to the most dangerous planet in the universe to ensure the future of his family and his people. As Malevolent forces explode into conflict over the planet's exclusive supply of the most precious resource in existence, a commodity capable of unlocking humanity's greatest potential. Only those who can conquer their fear will survive. Spoiler free, what'd you think of Dune part one? Got out of four. I really liked it. I really liked This is the the first Vilnew film I've seen. and I really liked the visuals. I really like the sound and I really like the script. I think with the like a huge story like this, it would obviously it'd be easy to do kind of what David Lynch did and like try to pack everything in or like kind of rush it or make it feel like everything's packed in, but I think he does a good job of like setting up part two with this one and but also like giving this one like its place in the series. because I think obviously they're they're both important and I think people like the second one more because there's more happening and It's kinda you know, the story's going more. but I think, yeah, I li I really liked it and I thought the visual effects were really cool. Yeah. And it just feels like you're like it it feels like it should as in it being like Dune being its own world, you know, feels like the same as like a Star Wars or like you know, like that aspect. Yeah. The one thing I I didn't er I guess that's not really the movie, it's just Oscar Isaac felt kinda weak to me. Really? Yeah. Okay. I didn't really love him. Which I normally do. Like he's played some of my favorite characters. Okay. in regular film and animated film. but yeah, he just didn't f for me, he just didn't really feel like like a strong like father figure. And I think one thing that maybe like could could have been expanded more on was like his relationship with his dad and like Paul's relationship to his dad? Yeah. Like like building that up maybe. or something. I don't know. That's kinda what I thought. And I was gonna ask you about the witch ladies. Okay. Is this spoiler free still? Spoiler free territory, do you think? Alright. Good call. All I got. Okay. this is my third time watching it. First time I watched it, kinda similar to my first Oppenheimer experience. I watched it on a bus. Twenty two hour bus ride in the dark on my phone. Super tired. Where were you going this twenty two hours? Utah. Dang. That is not the time or environment to watch a movie like this. I had no idea what was going on. I kept dozing off. And I still logged it, which I probably shouldn't have even logged it, 'cause I probably was sleeping for most of it. Sure. I rated it like a two and a half. And I'm like, this is stupid. Like these no way people like this crap. Yeah. I didn't know that. Then My Girlfriends, sisters, now husband. Mm. Polly. Yep. Just got married two days ago. So shout out shout out Paulinally. he is a huge Dune guy. Loves Dune. Coming over, yelling all the all the Fremen language throughout the house. And I'm like, all right, I I really wanna I wanna re watch it with this guy. Yeah. And He can be like my dictionary, you know five or questions. So watched it, gave it a four star second watch, really, really liked it, had him to answer some questions. Went up. I hadn't seen Dune two yet at this time. Watched Dune two later that week. This is over winter break last year, so like six months ago. Love Dune Two, five stars. Now going back and watching Dune after watching Dune and Dune Two. It was kinda like what I was saying with Mad Max earlier. Like Dune two, like retroactively makes the first one better in my opinion. And now I give Dune its rightful rating of five stars. Wow. Yes. They're both five stars. Both five stars. Sheesh. And I was thinking, I don't think there's any other franchise or trilogy or anything where I have the first two out of five star except for the Spider-Verse movies. So we have potentially like two of my favorite trilogies of all time with Dune and the Spider Verse movies coming out within like five months of each other. Wow. So what a good time. What else could you ask for, dude? And Dune Three looks amazing. So i I could could be fives across the board is what you're saying. I mean, Dune Three's gonna be a five. I could lock it right now. Like it's Don't say that, dude. All right, all right, all right. Don't say that. But the first dune You're gonna get Coyote versus Acme, dude. No, because I d I thought I thought Coyote vs. Acme was gonna be a good three and a half. And it was a three, so just a little underneath. But if Dune Three No, okay, enough of the Dune Three talk. Dune part one is phenomenal. And now I can see the people who think that Dune one is better than Dune two, even though I don't agree with them. I can see I can see it now. Wow. Two and a half to five. Yeah, that's drastic. That's what that's what a proper setting and yeah. Yep. Yeah. And after watching like two two of Yep. So a good movie takes your time. I think I think sometimes. And I think I wrote I wrote in my review like it it rewards a like a patient viewer, I think. I agree with that. I think it Yeah, that's a good way to put it. And I think it's because like a lot of the technical aspects are really good. And also like just the story is super dense. and there's a lot of like lore built into the world and everything. And like I think once you just fully get your grasp, you fully grasp it, it just it all clicks. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And yeah. And I would much rather have that than Me loving it the first time and then rewatching it and then not liking it as much after that. So I think that's just yeah, a testament to how how well it's made. But all right, so I got it as a five, he's got it as four. Let's get into spoiler spoiler thoughts. You have a question about the witch ladies. I'm guessing the Benegester is what you're talking about. Okay. That is who I'm asking about. so like Well okay are we creeping into Dune Two here at all with this question? Dude, honestly, th this is what I was thinking before. Like but as I was driving here, I was like, I don't remember what is from Dune One and I don't remember what is from Dune Two because I watched legit back to back. And like yeah, legit I watched Dune One, started Dune Two and then fell asleep. Fell asleep, started Dune Two over the next night. The the thing is like Dune one and two, like they play as like one star, like one continuous so I can see how that kind of I how that kinda meshes together. No, so my question is are these ladies essentially just trying to control everything? So trying to yeah. Is Jessica I guess maybe this isn't supposed to be known. Does she is her like best intention is it for her to become like all powerful and the Benedicert to become all powerful? Or is she like her and Paul together, are they like is she like like Is she looking out for the best intentions of the Benegesterate or Paul? Yeah. I don't know. Okay. Th because I think that's intentional. Yeah. And I think my other question was I I would say I think she's more selfish as opposed to like wanting the best for Paul. I think so too. And so my other question Maybe I'll save this question for Dude in part two. Alright. It's a good question. I think Yeah, I think she definitely because well yeah, June one, we can get into this. Yeah. The list is like twenty or so minutes in where you got the Gom Jobber. Mm hmm. Can you say that in twenty twenty six? Gom jobber. Okay, what is that? It's the when he puts his hand in the box and she's got the needle. I got that written down. Yeah. So first off, one of my favorite scenes. Yeah, one of my favorite scenes for sure. That scene is sick. But like Jessica knows that like he could die right here. Right. So I think this is that she is Yeah. And she's even like mad at the other lady. She's like, why'd you do that? Like, right? But she also Yeah, but she also I mean, I think all of the like Ben and Jesser is kind of a hoax, like it's all just kind of made up. But she feels like she can't really do anything in that situation, but I think she could. But yeah, so that scene is great. That scene and then When they land in the ship or like the escape pod. You mean the escape pod? Toward towards the end of the movie? Like when it says Jessica and Yeah, and they're like under the sand, yeah. When they're together. And throughout it's kinda like like sh like it's like they're trying to like make a plan. Like you know what I'm saying? Like and th that was that'll lead into my question for Dune part two. But it just seems like like both of them are being very like methodical and like intentional with everything they do. Yeah. which just brings up a bunch of questions. but yeah, I I r I had that written down. I really liked that that scene. I think that's that scene is very important. it is. Within like like not fearing, like Yeah. I must not fear. Like it seems like a turning point for Paul and a definitely like a mindset switch, like yeah. Or maybe not a switch, but like a kind of a realization from him like He's having these dreams, he's having these visions, and then like he's kinda like persevering and like kinda saying like, yo, like I don't care about your box, like whatever, like I'm like that's not a I'm good, I'm getting through it kinda deal. So I think it's like also It it doesn't seem like it, but it kinda seems like in the first movie it's like the first little seed in Paul's mind that maybe like everything that the Benedicester has been saying could be true. Yeah. Because it's like the first time he's really confronted with like this power. Yeah. I guess. Like he knows that. his mom has the voice or whatever, but I don't think he really understands like the Yeah, I guess like just the power of and I mean it it kinda leaves it ambiguous, but like really the like the Benadester, like they ha they have been manipulating this whole thing to the Fremen for years that someone is coming. But I think that that moment could be like the first time where Paul's like, maybe Yeah, like, maybe, like I don't wanna be, but Yeah. So Yeah. but this is interesting. So I just started reading this book. I'm only three chapters in. But the first chapter is literally the Gom Jabber thing. And so in the book they don't spend like hardly any time on Kaladin, which is the Atreides planet, before they go to Arrakis. And I'm really glad that they did that in the movie because I thought it was cool to show like the contrast between Kaladin, which was like green and it has water and Compared to like desolate Arrakis. It's just sand and hills and everything. Yeah. but like the it starts with the like it's like a black screen and then it's got text that says dreams are messages from the deep. And it's got this chant going on in the background that we find out to be the emperor's army. The Sar the Sartakar, Then it transitions to Chani's opening voiceover describing the beauty of Arrakis, the power of the spice and the oppression of the Fremen people from the Harkinans. And then it shows Paul waking up in in Kaladin, shows the beauty of that and the contrast between that and Arrakis. And then it cuts to Paul and Jessica having breakfast, which is where we get introduced to the voice, which I thought was a really like really good opening Like that's like the true opening scene of the movie, kind of after the monologue. And that just that sets up like a ton of stuff in this movie and the next movie too. and then you have the herald of the Emperor shows up. And this is like the first time that we see like the spacecraft and stuff of the world. And I think it's different from a lot of sci fi epics where Like we end up getting there in this movie, but a lot of times we see just like these slow descents from these ships as opposed to them like twisting and turning and shooting at each other in the sky. Like it's more so like the sense of I don't know. Dini but Denise does the same thing in Blade Runner twenty forty nine where it's this an arrival too. Like he's he loves just showing like the slow descent of these ships. as opposed to like the super high pace actiony stuff. I feel like I'm more drawn to that too. And we see Atreides accepts the invitation to take over spice production in Arrakis. And I don't know how exactly the timestamp on that, but like all that happens in like probably fifteen minutes, maybe. Yeah. And I just feel like it's really good setup and story building for like I said, something that's it has sixty years of built up lore and stuff and it's a big project to take on. People thought it couldn't be a movie. and I just think in fifteen minutes does a great job of setting the stage for not just this movie but like the whole whole thing, really. Yeah, and they I think it's like a good A good thing to do when like these people like the Atreides have to leave their planet. Mm-hmm. So it's like like you said, you know, it's like really quick. So it's kinda like almost like kind of enforcing the theme of like like we gotta go, kinda like we're leaving we're leaving all this here, like you know, they open with the the scenes of where they're living there and then it's like boom, they're gone essentially. And yeah, like well I what I was gonna say is with the ships, It feels very at least with like the the what are the bad guys? The Harkinans. Yeah, like their like the Emperor ship and stuff. Like the big wait, the Emperor? No, sorry. So the black so like the black The black and white people. Yes basically the Harkonins. The Harkonens, their ship. Yep. I was just gonna say it feels very Like that's really cool. That part's really cool. And the the ships on Arrakis, the little flying yeah, the you have to let me know if those are in the book and if it describes those. On the raptors or something like that. Like the dragonfly looking things. Yeah, those are s those are really cool. Those look sick. That I'd be interested if they like describe like that in the book. I'm sure they do. I saw a cool analogy where I guess I don't know if it's a denial or if it's how the story is set up 'cause I I don't know if they're described like that in the book, but well the the one thing with This movie that works so well is the way that like they set up the scale of everything. Yeah. Like they don't just show you a big ship. Like they show you a big ship and then they'll have like people in the corner of the screen that are really small. Right. So you can like feel the scale. same with like the sand dunes and like just like that the endless desert. Like they'll just they'll place Paul and Shani like at the bottom of the screen, really small. Which I love that 'cause it gives you something that can compare it to as opposed to just showing you these things in an empty space. can't remember if it was a podcast or YouTube or something, but they made this good analogy. And again, I don't know if it's Denis or Frank Herbert, where they're like trying to depict all this as like ants on an ant hill because you got like the dragonfly looking ships or whatever and then like these like small people. interesting. To just like almost reinforce the idea of like what's the point of all the like all this stuff, like just how insignificant all of it is kind of and how really all it is is just like a chase for power kind of a p power and money. Hmm. But yeah. Cool. and I think too, like I'm not a big fan of like opening monologues or exposition. but I really, really liked Zendaya's in the first Dune movie. and I think a lot of filmmakers, Christopher Nolan I think is the biggest one that gets criticized for exposition. But I think like here in Dune, like it's it's more like the scrolls that are like the beginning of Star Wars. Like it's not over explaining stuff. It's just like placing you in the time period and like the world that is going on and it doesn't it's not trying to bog you down with like all this scientific stuff. It's just trying to give you like the bare minimum that you need as an audience to kinda understand what's going on and then You're still responsible for like piecing stuff together as the movie goes. so yeah, I I really, really I really liked that opening monologue. Yeah, I think that's a a good inj interesting choice by him too to open it with with her. Yeah. Especially because she's not in it very much for the first movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She obviously plays a bigger role in in part two and then I don't know, is part three is she's supposed to be like Yeah, I think I think she'll have she'll have a big role in part three too. makes sense I guess. Yeah. I think Like obviously we're kind of at the beginning of Dune viewing Atreides as like the good guys, but yeah. The Fremen, like they just see them as another invader because they've been invaded by the Harkinans for right like I think it had said like for centuries or something like that. So yeah, obviously the these you have a big group of people that are skeptical, but then you also see like this small plant I guess of hope that it could be their lease analgae because of how the Benegester have planted that idea into the minds of those people so that they can control those people basically. I thought it was interesting. I saw something that Denis he grew up in a very small area in Canada where he said the only two buildings in his town was a church and a nuclear power plant. So he was he grew up surrounded by religion and science. and then he just became this huge Dune fan when he was thirteen and he started to like draw stuff about Dune and he always imagined making this Dune movie. And he said like he was getting frustrated making Dune because he was looking back at stuff when he was thirteen and he's like, I just don't have that imagination anymore. Like I don't have that type of I don't know, visual flair, I guess, which is crazy to think about, 'cause I think the movie looks amazing and I think he brings the world to life great. But but it's kind of like similar to Nolan and like his f fascination I guess with shooting on IMAX and then and making the Odyssey. Like this is kind of like Denis Villeneuve's Odyssey that he's always had this deep fascination and draw towards as like a young teenager. And then he's finally able to put it together and make this movie in a critical time for filmmakers and movie theaters and it found found a audience where I was able to get people's butts back in theaters, which is cool. That's cool. I didn't know that. he puts part one in like the opening sequence of the movie and apparently like part two had not been greenlit at the time by the studio. And that's like his way of kinda saying I think it's similar to my experience with like across the Spider Verse, how maybe if I would have been more in tune to stuff I would have known that it was a part one or whatever. Like my first time I watched it, I liked it. I didn't love it. Because I was kind of like, like felt kind of anticlimactic or didn't have a resolution. That's kind of where I was like the first time I watched Dune, even though I knew there was another one. It's just like an interesting structure and like the climax isn't like your typical climax. Yeah. But I don't think that makes it a bad movie at all. I think it just makes it more interesting to me. But yeah, like he he knew that this story needed way more time than one movie. Yeah. And he knew from the beginning that his vision was to do three movies. Yeah. really especially with part one and part two really being like continuous stories. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's definitely I mean obviously that's that's why it feels like a little different. Yeah. but yeah, I I hope part three is good so then I can just watch all back to back. Back to back to back. Just hit the s eight hour Yep. I would I'd love to do that too. 'Cause one thing I think that is really hard to do is like make Part one and part two like kinda like flow really good. Yeah. but I think 'cause I feel like I don't know, like New Hope and Strikes Back is like kinda what I'm comparing it to and that yeah. It's just like obviously to very two different styles of of like doing a movie. but this feels like it flows a lot better and it's like one story. Yeah. Whereas Strikes Back and New Hope could could be two and they're like not Yeah. They could kind of be like their stand like their own standalone story. Yeah. Exactly. but like that's another reason why I think Dune works so well and the sequel works so well is because I feel like a lot of sequels nowadays are because the first movie had success. Then they decide to do a second one. Yeah where Dune one and Dune two, like Denis was gonna do either way, like he knew this this type of story needed that amount of time. it wasn't a result of the success of the first one, then all of a sudden trying to come up with something for the second one that probably wouldn't have been as genuine to the original source material. So I really like the the scene where the sandworm comes in front of Paul and Jessica. Yeah, and then it like it like freezes or whatever. Yeah, that is that part is sick. That part's really cool. And I think I really like that scene. That is something that could've looked so goofy. And it looks like it actually looks like intimidating and huge. Like that that's like another one of those like scale moments like placing Jessica and Paul at the bottom of the screen with this huge sandworm thing. Yeah. and that's like that's like at night too. And I think like Dune at night looks really sick too. When it's like gray, blue, black. Yeah. Contrasted to like the orange and yellow and tan stuff. Yeah. Like I think they just made that look really cool. Yeah. favorite scene, the when the fly tries to come and kill Paul. Mm. I thought that scene is sick. And I think that's another kind of seed planted of maybe he is this maybe he is that guy. Yeah, he he is that guy. And then it's like I feel like as an audience, you just keep going back and forth, like, okay, is he actually this Lisa and Al Ghaib Messiah guy that they're talking about? Or is it just conveniently framed because of how the Ben Benedestyrate have been manipulating everything? Cause then so they show Paul watching those like informational videos of Arrakis and all that stuff and it talks about putting on the suits or whatever. Sandwalk. Yep. Talks about all that stuff. And then but you kind of forget about that. And then when they first start getting there and they meet that like supposed to be that like neutral girl or whatever that supposed to be like with the emperor and also part of the Fremen. Yeah. Paul comes out and he's got the whole thing suited up and she's like, dang, like You know how to put that on right. Like you even got your shoes on right. And he doesn't like say anything about it, but like he was watching a video about how to put that on earlier. But that's like part of the movie where you're like, he knows how to put on that suit. Like maybe he's maybe he's Fremen already. Like maybe he is that guy. the first time when I watched it, the corruption of like the Emperor went straight over my head. As far as how Atreides was literally getting sent to Arrakis just to get nuked, basically. and there's like some Easter eggs in there. Like there are like these spice chambers or whatever. It shows like a bunch of them when the Harkinans are there. And then when Atreides gets there, there's like barely any. And the thought behind that is that the Harkinans knew like they took some with them. They knew that they were gonna be just blowing them up. They d they don't want to lose all that spice or I don't know how it works. They don't they just didn't want to lose that. Yeah. so that was cool. Just that whole like attack honestly just looked really sick. Then the whole backstory. Can't remember his name. The Asian guy. Asian. But he they they frame it so that you think that He's like a backstabbing guy, kind of, and then you realize he's just trying to Yeah. Save his wife. Yeah, save his wife. so he Essentially kills Paul's dad. Mm-hmm. But in the act of doing that, gives him a way to like kill the Harkinens and hopefully kill the Baron. Who's played by Stellan Skarsgard. His character is really, really good and eerie and creepy and everything. And I think Skarsgard just plays it really well. but yeah, then shortly followed. We see that the Harkinans just don't care what he did. Like you just they were just doing it to kill him and they just end up Yeah, they kill him right there on the spot. And Paul's dad, who is like paralyzed at this time, you see like a tear, and you can just kind of feel like the grief that he's feeling, like he's kinda realizing, even in this paralytic state, that Atreides is gone. and So he bites like that little thing that releases the gas, and you think that all the Harkinans are gonna be dead in that room. and they're not, you realize that the Baron survives because he doesn't do anything on his own 'cause he's so fat. He's got like that thing on his back that lets him move f yeah, fly. he's like I I mean everything about the Harkonids is like so intentionally well literally black and white as far as one, literally their colors, but also Just how like the Baron, he he doesn't really care about who is doing stuff. He just he just wants power, obviously. He wants the monopoly over the spice production. and in this movie it's like Dave Batista's his guy. And Dave Batista I I mean I really like well I like Day Bautista and Guardians of the Galaxy. I don't know if I like him in a ton of other stuff, but his It's not Drax 'cause it's not comedic, but he's like just this physically imposing character and he kinda plays like a good lead for the Harkinans, like on the battlefield at least, where Baron's just I mean, he's not doing anything. He's just this fat lard that is trying to control stuff, even though it's his pawns that are doing stuff for him. Right. I think I think when all this starts to happen though, I think the story kind of shifts just from like this methodic world building to like the more action heavy parts. Yeah. And then this is where Jessica and Paul are well, they get They get taken in this ship or whatever from the Harkinans and like the Baron doesn't care that the Benegester and the Emperor are saying that Paul and Jessica have to live and he's like, Well, we can just drop out of this plane and say the desert killed him or something like that. And it kind of seems like that's what's gonna happen, but then it's a callback to the beginning of the movie where Jessica and Paul are We get introduced to the voice, then it comes into play play again. And this is like the first like collar outside of like brown. Or like the blue, I guess, from Kaladin at the beginning. They're like in this plane or something, spaceship, and it's like green and they're trying to figure out a way to escape. Paul tries to use the voice and it backfires and he gets like elbowed in the gut and it seems like it's not gonna work. And then Jessica kinda comes to the rescue. And is able to free them. And then they just the scene of them like after they got off that ship, it's like morning probably, like dawn time, and they like walk over this sand dune, and you can just like see the destruction of all of Arrakis basically and like all of Atreides. and I just th I think like visually that scene is that's one of my favorites of Dune for sure. Yeah. so then so then how does it like how does the Fremen part start? Like where do they Like how do they get introduced to them? Is it just like they're walking through the the cave rocks kinda and like Yeah, I'm try I think there's people up Are you are you specifically talking about when they're escaping and they're with that girl? Or are you saying like in general? Like after that when they get dropped off in the ship, like they they camp in like that little thing, right? yeah. Yeah. the beginning of the film, Duncan, Idaho is the one that figures out 'cause he goes early and Paul wants to go early, but his dad doesn't let him. Duncan Idaho goes and finds out that they have these underground places called sieges. Yeah. and he's like, There's millions under there. The Harkinans have no idea. Yeah. And so Paul and Jessica, they have this knowledge now, and they find like a siege underground or whatever. That's right. kind of hibernate for the time being. Yeah. And then Favorite scene, another one. they're escaping and Duncan Idaho just goes like one V thirty and essentially just like sacrifices himself for Paul. and then they run out and get onto that dragon fly type thing and they are flying. And Paul had like a dream that you just have to like let the desert take you or something. And it's like jo it's Jameis or Jamis's voice in the vision or dream. Yeah. that is like telling him this stuff. So that's another cool thing is the whole time you're thinking that Jameis is gonna be like this mentor for Paul, and that's Another interesting thing because then it implies maybe that not all Paul's like dreams or visions are super reliable or maybe they're not super literal because then we get to the end of the film and we stabs them. Yeah, one v one with yeah with Jameis. That's right. which I thought that was like that was a perfect ending slash climax slash resolution. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. Which a lot of people didn't fully vibe with, I guess. Yeah, it's like a perfect like Like if if you have like any doubt or like if you're like thinking like like like Paul is doing this for a certain reason, yeah, then it kind of flips that 'cause like I guess you could say like he's just trying to get in with like the tribe or whatever. Yeah. but still like his ability to like fight the guy and then like it kind of wins over I think it kinda wins. No, I don't know if it wins over, but like still Gar is like impressed and like so he's like sad and like but he's also kinda like maybe it's more towards the start of the second movie, but it almost seems like he's like it's very intentional, like he's starting he's like the first one to like start believing in him kinda. Yeah. Or like believe that he could be the Lisan al Gaeb. Yeah. Yeah. And I think Stillgard he tells Jessica and Paul like basically if no one fights, we're just gonna kill ya 'cause you got water for us, type of thing. Like you're not serving us any if you're not Fremen, if you don't prove that you're Fremen, then you're basically just an intruder to our society and we're gonna kill you 'cause you got water for us. Which I don't know how how does his mom get out of that? there's some reason, right? Or she he fights for her Well I think yeah, I think Jessica like puts Silgar in a headlock or something. And then does she? Like when they're in that cave? No, like on the Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the end, yeah. Yeah. And then Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, she she has a close combat with Stilgar to prove her capability which earns his respect rather than resulting in a formal death match. And then Jameis Jamis. I don't know, man. I'm not laughing. I'm just saying. No, I know. I was gonna say like Stilgar like gets beaten up and he's like, All right, you're good and then he's like Jamis, you gotta go die, bro. Like I'm not fine. Like Jhomas like comes out of the woodworks and is like This is PS Yeah. Like I don't know exactly what he says. Yeah. But and that that's like like I said earlier, a twist because th this there's a couple of dreams where Jamis is the like narrator of him. Yeah. Where you think he's gonna be this right figure for Paul. And then they battle and you realize this is the really the first we see a little bit of comment with Paul, but the first time that we see him against like a really capable fighter, like Jhommas is very highly respected. Shawnee calls him a very good fighter before Paul fights him. And Paul is kinda depicted as like this fragile, indecisive, you know, son of a powerful father. Mm-hmm. Doesn't seem ready to fill the fill the shoes yet. And then you still kind of see like his infamiliarity with how the Fremen deal with these type of duels because he hits him with the Do you yield? Yeah. And everyone's like, Whoa, what the heck, man? Like s they they think it's like more insulting to say that than for him to just slit his throat basically. and then they go through the fight and he fights or kills Jamis and kinda it's like a bitter I mean it's not really bittersweet, but it's like a The f the Fremen are sad about Jamis, but they're kinda like, huh. Mm-hmm. Like this guy's yeah, this guy's legit. And you can see like Chani's wheels like starting to spin. And we learn in the second movie that she is one of the like opposers of the Lisa Nel Gayib. Yeah. but yeah. Doom Par One, five star. I'm definitely gonna watch him again. I might have to just watch like the night before I go see. Yeah. I think I'll probably watch both of two more times. Really. At least. Okay. Dude, I'm so excited for Dune Three actually. I need to watch the new Rockstars breakdown. Yeah, you do. That's what I need to watch. They were great. Yeah. I need to see if I have a four K T V so I can watch four K. Yeah. Right. Part two. Part two. Spoiler free. What did I get? Let's just go spoilers. Yeah. I like that. Yeah, yeah. If you're here. Yeah. Yeah. My question was gonna be Okay. Well, I guess this is kinda the whole question of the movie. Yep. But like is he actually d like what's your what's your opinion? Is he putting on the act? How could he be putting on the act if he's if he's got the voice and he can keep his hand in the box? But Fade can also can also keep his hand in the box. So that's the question of the movie. I guess it's at a four and a half. Five stars. period. Yeah. I Yeah, so I guess that's the question essentially of the story, right? Is like is like can you fake it till you make it, essentially. Like is he is he really this prophet that they build up or is he not? I would say no. I would also say no. The reason I would say no is because the witch ladies, yeah, Benedicer. There you go, okay, I got it now. They talk about how they like plant the idea, right? Yeah. And which then begs the question like maybe he is because what is what is the Lisa and El Gabe? Well it's a prophet that all these people will follow. Mm-hmm. Essentially is kinda like that's what's happening. So like Yeah, I mean I think he's Right. I think he's he fits the description of the Lisa and Al Ghaib, but I don't think the Lisa and Al Ghaib is a real His people are following him. Yeah, but I'm saying what is real. I'm saying that's the question. Well, yeah, that's that's fair. I'm saying Because what more do you need? I'm saying is he a Savior slash religious figure? No. Because when he starts to make that switch. before he's more before he's more concerned with becoming a Fremen and not gaining this power Now he is more concerned at gaining the power. And yeah. Not as much with the Fremen people. And it's it's not that So it's kinda like Across the Spider-Verse. This is this just came to my head now. Okay. Let me hear. So Across the Spider-Verse Spoilers for Across the Spider-Verse. Oscar Isaac's in that too. If you haven't seen Across the Spider-Verse, please watch it. Get out of here. So Across the Spider-Verse, Miles is told that his dad's gonna die. Mm-hmm. He's just supposed to accept that. Mm-hmm. And So they try they try and put him in that box of force or whatever it is, that shield because otherwise they think he's gonna go and he's gonna He's gonna crash out. He's gonna he's gonna he's gonna mess up the the multiverse because he's gonna try and save his dad or something like that. And instead of just accepting that, Miles is still gonna try and save his dad. In Dune, he is he's trying hard to be that version of Miles where he's having these visions. He he f he thinks that what he's dreaming about is prophetic and is gonna happen, but he's trying to do things to avoid that. And then he gets to a point where he just accepts that and he flips the switch and tries to become the Lisa Al-Gaeb. So he is trying to keep stuff canon in like the Dune universe. Kinda like how the people in the Spider-Verse want Miles to keep stuff canon in the spider in the multiverse. It's like he is not trying to affect any of that. He's just like a bunch of people are gonna die and I'm gonna be at the helm of it. It's just what's gotta happen now. There's no other way. Yeah. Basically. So do you think Because I think obviously the third movie will But like Do you think he's like because when he takes off like his he takes off his ring? That was pretty good. Mine? Yeah. Yeah. He takes off his ring. Yep. And he's like talk in her monologue talking to his dad. Yep. Essentially like, okay, now I'm a part of these people. I am this guy. Yeah. Do you think he's just doing that so that he can gain this ultimate power, like in the third movie? And like Yeah. I think that scene of him taking off his ring is huge. And like he's gonna So what, like his end goal is to kill the the emperor? Yeah, I th I think and become the emperor. Yeah. I think that's his end motive is to So do you think he's gonna turn on the Fremen? That I don't know. Like his like his I d I don't I don't think he's gonna turn on the Fremen. I just don't think his decisions are always gonna be in the best interest of the Fremen people. Yeah. I think it's gonna be more so How am I gonna keep climbing the ranks and gain power basically? So this is doing three is thirteen years after doing part two or something? Yeah. Some yeah. Something like that. Over ten. Yeah. Hmm. I gotta watch the trailer again 'cause I just like yeah, we saw it for the Odyssey. I just I hadn't watched either of before, so that' but yeah, I mean Dune 2 definitely the intention is to be having that back and forth with the audience as far as w is is he or is he not? Or what what's real and that sort of stuff. but again It opens the same way the first one opened. It opens with a black screen and some text and that noise, dude. The Sar Sardec Sardikins. And it says power over spice equals power over all. And I think the first one was it was like dreams. Dreams are messages from the deep. Hm. This one power of a spice equals power over all. I just think it sets up for like a much more politically in power driven movie. where the first one is I mean, obviously this whole this whole thing is this whole story of Dune One and Two, like it's all Paul's story. Like the first one is I mean, Paul trying to come to terms with what these dreams are. And now it's like the second one is Paul essentially towards the end of the movie getting to be more powerful because he wants to have power over Arrakis. And if he has power over Arrakis, then he's he's driving this boat basically. But yeah, starts with that, and then we get an opening monologue from the new character, which is Florence Pugh. And she's like the Emperor's daughter. and then Which basically just repeats what happens in the first movie. I don't know. What do you mean? Like she just says what happens in the first movie. yeah, yeah. Which I could go without. I don't know how else you do opening monologue for a second one unless it's a like a time jump, which is probably gonna happen in the third one. Mm-hmm. Where you kinda explain what has happened. Second one, it's just kinda Here's what I think they need. All right. Doing three opens. What? I'm just excited for that. Okay. And it's some new title. Yep. Scary noise from the yeah, the Sardican. Yeah. Is it from them? No, it's it's the the Sarda cans or something. It's the Emperor's Army. Gotcha. Okay. It's like the Emperor's secret army. Okay, okay. Then there's some tit title like Spice is cool or something. Yeah, spice is cool. And then That's what it's gonna be. And then it goes and then there's yellow letters coming down the screen and it says Well, first it would blue letters be a a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. And then That's what you think about that? Yeah, that's what I think. Fair. That's that's what I think. Yeah, that's fair. No, I'm just kidding. They could just do that, just r just make it easy. So everyone knows what's going on. Yeah, I mean like a good movie. Because basically Star Wars just rips off the Dune books. What? So Yeah. Baloney. That's baloney, dude. If I had a fart right now, I would fart in my grandma. I it's Star Wars is Dune. It's the Dune Bug. What? How? It is, bro. Paul is literally Anakin. What are we talking about? What? Yes. Literally the Star Wars DNA is the Dune books. H how? What do you There's like three simul similarities? No, there's not. Dude Dude, that is just the hero's journey in general. No, no, no. Okay. You can his dad his dad dies, bro. Bro, the dad dies in every freaking movie. You can look, you can You can look it up. Like literally Star Wars DNA. I'm not saying I'm not saying it's it's like a complete ripoff. That's what you just said. I mean it basically is. I'm I'm not saying there's no inspiration from Dune. I'm just saying it's completely different. But it's not. It's not completely different. The message of there are also Anakin isn't the main character of Star Wars. Not the not Is he in one two three or no? Anakin? Yeah, I never seen one, two, three. Like four, five, six being the first ones that were released. Is Anakin in four five six? Is that what you're saying? No, I'm saying one, two, three. Is he the main character or no? No. Who's the main character in one two three? you're saying chronologically one, two, three. Nope. yeah yeah like not release order. Yeah. You're saying the story wise. Yeah. Yes, Anakin 1233. Okay. Yeah. That's what I thought. Yeah. Okay. He's not the main character of Star Wars though. Not yeah, not of four, five, six. No, I'm saying Star Wars in general is not about Anakin Skywalker. I mean can you is Star Wars about one guy? Yeah, it's about Luke. Yeah, but one, two yeah, I guess. Yeah, one, two, three. Okay. That's not that that that that's not like interpretation. That's straight from George Lucas. I'm not saying that's interpretation. I'm saying I haven't watched one, two, three. Yeah. or s or six. Which is the best one? W Return of the Jedi? That's your favorite one? Yeah. Hot take. It kind of is, isn't it? It's a banger. All right. So What do you mean it's ripping it off? It's ri it's ripping it off. Okay, but how? Just I'm I'll look it up. you're l you're gonna look it up? It's not that obvious then. Well, I haven't watched Star Wars. Well, there we go. So how do you know? I've just I've just seen reels about it. Alright, I'm not yeah, yeah. That's fair. That's where I get all my I'm not even gonna say ripping off. I'm just gonna say Star Wars and Yeah. Similarities. Alright, well we can go to how Harry Potter rips off Star Wars after this, then. Mm mm. Both stories start on harsh, remote desert planets with twin celestial bodies. Arrakis has two moons and Tattooan? Come on. Has two suns. Moisture farming. Both worlds feature devices used to pull vital water from the dry air. There is the value of spice. Both universes feature a precious highly contested substance called spice. What? Harvested in no spice in Star Wars. There's like a little bit, it's like a one line in the movie. The chosen protagonist, both it's saying both Paul and Luke are young heroes raised on a desert planet who discover they are destined to change the galaxy. Specialized powers, the Benegester Order and Dune train members and extreme mental and physical discipline, including the voice to command others, closely mirroring the mind controlling abilities of the Jedi. Yeah, except the f the mind controlling abilities is the force, and that's every That's all that's the light and dark side. Maybe the Benedict is light and dark. Well yeah, but I'm just saying everyone in Star Wars can use the force. Everyone who like the force is not it's not just one group of people. Not just the Jedi use the force. I'm just pointing out civil words. No, that is yeah, I guess that's a Imperial Forces both feature an oppressive galactic empire backed by elite feared shock troopers. Sandicart and Dune and Stormtroopers and Star Wars. Watch this short video breaking down the direct comparisons between the two sci fi universes. Is it new rock stars? Nerdist. Everything Star Wars ripped off from Dune. Yeah, whatever. I just looked up similarities. I didn't Yeah, whatever, dude. Everything Star Wars quote unquote borrowed from Dune. Dune and Star Wars similarities fans will appreciate. Maybe you could read that one. Maybe that one seems a little bit more lighthearted. Not all right. either way they're either way they're both great. Either way, Dune is really good. And you're gonna And what about Star Wars? Dude, can you just watch one, two, and three? Yeah, I mean I gotta watch the third one. I just didn't really like the first two, so I'm just not motivated to watch the third one. You mean four, five, and six. Yes. Four yeah. Okay. So you I see what you're saying. I need to watch one, two, and three. Yeah. I gotcha. All right. I could maybe do that at some point. You need to watch four, five, and six again. Bro, that sounds like the most boring rewatch. Dude, hey, but Dune Dune part one was a two and a half. Yeah, but Dune at least looked good. Star Wars I don't think looks very good. You don't think it looks good? I don't. What? Okay, then you should definitely watch one, two, and three. Bet. One, two, and three look really good. We'll see. Except if you like your slow spaceship Denis Villeneuve bull. You want some fast I do. You want some fast I'll take some fast spaceships. Yeah. I just think it's cool. Yeah, no, it is it is cool. It is sick. The big ship is sick. The one the one that the one that comes from even the smaller ships, the ones with the balloons and stuff are sick. Yeah. Those are really sick. And the Well I guess you don't really see that much of it, like the Emperor's one who's like out in the just like a b ball. Yeah. Yeah, that one's not as cool as the balloon ones. Yeah. I'm trying to think of the one they take to Arrakis. Do they show it really? They do. kinda? maybe not. No, they do no. Like I th I feel like they showed it on their planet. What's their planet called? I don't know actually. The the wait. The The Harkinans? No, the Trade Kaladin. Kaladin. Yeah. I think they I thought they showed it on there. Maybe not. They probably did. All right. Let's get back on track. My favorite scene from Dune Part Two is probably well There's a couple. Yeah, there actually is some Scenes. I like I'm gonna start with one. Yeah. That will get us jump started chronologically. Yeah, yeah, good idea. And it's the the first scene right after the monologue where they're on Arrakis and the Harkinen are they're just like looking for Fremen people basically and they find Jameis's body. They're just kind of like Paul and Jessica and Silgar. They're kind of there, they're like trying to hide from the Harkinans. And then they find Jameis' body. and then Know if it's no, they don't start getting attacked yet. But then they like climb up the cliff or whatever. And I really like that scene. I think the opening to Dune Two is like one of my favorite openings. and I don't I'm sure there's a video or interview on how they did that. Yeah. They probably just had like a wire and edited out post production or something, but They just start floating up that scene and the score is so sick and it's like super it's like a super vibrant orange, which like they ha didn't show that at all in the first dune. It looks really, really cool. And then we get more like ground combat from Paul. He kind of goes like one v two and then it looks like a guy's gonna sneak up on him and Jessica just freaking pounds him over the skull. Yeah. And that's like the first really actual scene in Dune. And it's it's not my favorite scene of Dune, but it is one of and one that I wanted to mention. Just 'cause I've I haven't seen I haven't seen anything like that, I don't think. Mm-hmm. Where it's like that vibrant of an orange. Yeah. And then you get the contrast of like the super dark suits of the Harkin and the Fremen are almost kinda like blending in with the desert. I just thought it was really cool. Yeah. and I like like I just think like everything about Dune, like the combat and the ships and the suits is just like so like tangible and like I can like feel it and see it and like it has texture to it. It looks like it actually like a believable spaceship and suit for like thousands of years in the future. Yeah. Yeah, the combat is really good. Yeah. but all right. That that's where does it go? That's at the beginning of the movie. let's see. Then well actually that's all I had from the beginning. The next the next scene that I have is when Paul and Johnny do the sand walk together, like in the dark. 'Cause basically Paul he's trying to become a Fremen, so he's like basically doing all these things that is almost like an initiation process for getting him there. And one of them is literally sending him across the desert by himself to basically just survive a couple nights. And no one thinks he's gonna be able to do it. And then Chani joins him. And Chani, you can kind of tell from the end. Well, yeah, from the end of the first movie that she feels like some sort of connection to him. Do you want to kiss at the end of the first movie? No? No. No, they don't. They don't kiss at the end of the first movie. Yeah, that's right. But she has, yeah, I don't know, just like like a curiosity about And it's funny because he thinks he has this whole sandwalk thing down because he watched videos on it and then she kind of pulls up and is like, You're doing it wrong. And he's like, no, because I watch these videos and she's basically like, Are you serious? Like, I've been living here for however long kind of thing. and that that is kind of what feels like the start of their relationship to me. I talked about it. with the first one, but I just think the way that they capture like daylight and darkness in the second one is really cool. And this is like the first scene where we see nighttime. Vil Vilnoff said in an interview, No matter how great our VFX and no matter what spectacle is on screen, if we don't believe the intimacy of the relationship, there's no movie. So we put a tremendous amount of focus on that when we wrote the screenplay. And it's a scene that was not in the screenplay. I wrote it one night as I was in the desert with the idea that Chani could teach him to do the sound walk the sandwalk properly and have this beautiful image of them both in unison. I thought that was a beautiful way to express the idea that they were slowly becoming more and more in sync together as characters. So Denis has very high admiration for that scene. Yeah. And I really really love that scene too. I think it is it's like the start of their relationship. And which is kind of a foundational piece of this movie. And I think kinda makes the ending more I guess like bleak and grim kind of. Yeah, gr yeah, for sure. Like when she's like walking away, you mean? Like I mean real like the You know, when 'cause he it's kinda foreshadowing, but he's like, I'm always gonna love you kind of thing, like throughout the movie, not just at the end. And then we know what happens at the end, but I wanna wait to talk about it. And yeah, like this, you gotta believe that they actually are in love with each other for that to hit as hard as it does. at least for me. Yeah, definitely. Is the yeah, that's after that I was gonna say maybe right after, pretty close after the when he rides the worm. Yeah. okay. Let's go let's go the worm. Well I just thought it was I thought it was cool. yeah I think Stilgar is probably my favorite character. He's just like funny and like I don't know. Yeah he's just like funny and Bardum plays him like perfectly. Yeah he is he's got some funny lines. He's hilarious but he re he's like a pivotal character for the Yeah. progression of the story that He's the main person that we see riding for like Lisa and Al-Ghaib. And scene for him. I don't know if it's like they straight up ask him, but basically Paul like denies that he is. And then Stugard goes, That's exactly what the Yeah. That's exactly what the Lisa N Algae would do. Yeah. He's so humble. Yeah, that was tough. Yeah. And I just like it doesn't matter what he does. Dude, yeah. It's anything. Towards the end he's just like I mean toward like at the start. He's just like fully convinced. Yeah. And like Which is like a stark contrast from like our introduction to Stilgar when he like in the first movie he kinda like stomps into the room with Paul's dad. Yeah. And he like spits on the ground and he's like kind of I don't know, just like super intimidating and imposing and now he's just like so willing to just give over his life to this In the first movie, Paul's like fifteen or sixteen or something. I don't know how much if there's a time jump between the first two. I it's supposed to be a continuous story. But so he's still like a young kid at this point. but yeah, Stillgar's Stillgar's character is is awesome. Yeah. and yeah, he's like giving him all this advice. And then with the worm scene he tells him, Yeah, don't don't harness the big one, you know. Yeah, and like the biggest one. Take it easy. Yeah. Yeah. That that scene's awesome. Yeah, that scene's sweet. yeah, I got Fade Roth's birthday celebration. Yeah, and like the black and white. Yeah. Yeah, that's sick. Austin Butler kind of just takes over here. He like he really is an imposing figure. he's intimidating. We s but we s we see like this parallelism between Fade and Roth or Fade and Paul. And I kinda talked about that earlier, but they they both are kind of being like propelled and groomed into this figure. like we see that Fade, he's doing these glad gladiator fights, but the people that he's fighting are drugged and he You know, they're they're not fair fights obviously, but he's he appears to be like this combat specialist and the Baron is grooming him to be the next leader for the Harkinans and take Dave Batista's character spot essentially because he's not cutting his weight kind of thing and he he's gonna rule over all of Spice and Arrakis. And r like he hasn't really like proved anything. I love the world of like giddy prime compared to Arrakis. Like the visual identity for Giddy Prime, I think, is like really important for just differentiating the worlds of Arrakis. Yeah. And where the Fremen are and then the world where the Harkinans are. because it's completely colorless, has zero nature. Greg Frazier came up with the idea to use infrared cameras to give the world and the ha and the Harkinans like an alien like feel to them. And I I just think it comes off like perfectly. I talked about how they set it up as like everything's black and white. Well, they're being like very literal and on the nose in the second one. And like the explanation for it is really cool. Like their son like doesn't like I don't I don't know the exact science behind it, but it's like their sun doesn't reflect color or something like that. 'cause then when they're like in the shadows like away from the sun. Like they like everything's still like like the walls are all black and everything, but like fade's skin is not like pure white. Yeah. Like it's normal. Sure. And same with all like the Benegesseret. But like when they're in the sun, like it's all black and white and they have like these they're fireworks, but they just look like these black blobs in the sky and stuff like that. I think the score during that scene is really, really really powerful too. Scary. Yeah. And yeah, the like infrared camera, it like his eyes are all black, you can like see like the veins in their heads and everything. and they said that was like really complicated to get right. Like they had to really be particular about how they dressed all the characters. And just like how they lit stuff and but they just ended up getting like the perfect final product. I will say, and this is like no movie has really perfected this. But like you can tell that like the crowd in the gladiator scene is like very fake. and it's just because that was like the one scene where they weren't like in the desert, like they they That was like the crowd was green screened or something or but you can tell because he just like walks out and everyone's just like and it that's like the only time. Yeah, it literally is like Madden. That's like the only nitpick I probably have of the entire entire thing. I wonder if Gladiator has that. I think there's just not as nearly as many people. Yeah, I don't I feel like it does. I don't know. I feel like Gladiator utilized extras really well. Cause then in like all the stuff on Dune, like when they have fight scenes and stuff, like that all looks great. So I think for the most part they're actually using extras for that. Yeah, I didn't even notice that. I yeah, that I just kind of assumed that it was real people, I guess. But there's yeah, I mean It it doesn't take away anything from No, yeah, the the scale is just so big. Yeah. So it just I mean, that makes sense. Yeah. yeah, no, that scene is sick. I think I heard this on well, this is a quote from Sean Fantasy. He was talking about I listened to his Dune Part two episode when it came out, so from a couple years ago. He said I think this like just embodies a second movie. The paradox of being the natural chosen one but also not being able to get there without the powers of structures getting you there in the first place. it's like it's the same for him and Fade. Like they're supposed to be the chosen one, the Messiah, the whatever, but they're not gonna be able to get there Paul's not gonna be able to get there unless he uses the Benedesseret. He's not gonna be able to get there unless he manipulates the Fremen people. Right. Fade's not gonna be able to get there unless he convinces all these people that he's killing everyone in the ring or whatever. Yeah. so yeah, I thought that that's a r that's a really good way of putting it. Like are they really the chosen one if they have to lean on all these different circumstances? But yeah, I guess my last couple of things I have are really for like the ending. Do you have stuff you want to talk about? how far back is like the the part the water part where he yeah with Zendaya. Yeah, that's yeah, we have a lot of a lot of scenes, a lot of good scenes in like the last hour. I think the water him with the water is like an hour left maybe. That's what I was gonna say. But that's like that's like the third act of the movie, it kinda picks up a lot. But like if he's not the at least I don't get you. Yeah. 'Cause what's Johnny's what's like her name mean in something of water water on the desert or something. Yeah. And in the and in the script. He drinks the water. He he something like that. To like bring him back to life. Yeah. How can that well how can you manipulate that? Well, she wasn't gonna do it, but then J Jessica makes her do it. Really? With the voice. But like how would she how does she even get that name? I d I don't know. It's Someone on the inside. Some some Yeah, Benadesseret. Some Fremen. I'm saying some Fremen. Have someone to to give her that name. Yeah. Probably. Probably just No, I mean probably. That's important. The scene where Jessica becomes like the reverend mother of the friend people. She drinks the Yeah. And she like takes on the grief of everyone before and everyone's like, You're so brave and she's like, Well, I don't have a choice, basically, 'cause again, whether it was that or death. Yeah. Kind of like similar to the first movie where she's they're put in that same situation. One of you's gotta fight or you're gonna die. Right. Yeah. No that yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. After that, Paul goes into the like temple place or whatever where everyone is. And where he gives his like famous famous speech. And so now so he's been in Arrakis for a decent amount of time and like the s the spice is basically like a hallucinogenic or like it kind of Gives you Like those dreams and stuff. Yeah. And then he has like the water of life and I don't know, he's like able to like tell what people are yeah, thinking about at the time and I don't know. He's got the water of life now. Yeah, but then he like shouts out the dudes like dead grandma or something. And he's like, hey, remember you used to go to your grandma's house and do this? He's like, What? Yeah, All right. So I just looked it up. Mm-hmm. Hall. Being able to Tell those people what they're thinking. Mm-hmm. Is like him handpicking people in the crowd that he had already had conversations with in the future. 'Cause he like has the water of life, like he can see potential future outcomes and stuff like So the water of life is separate from Yeah. It's just like more power basically. But so the explanation Why doesn't everyone drink that? 'Cause the only people that are yeah. Yeah, okay. So it says he does not actually read minds, instead he uses a powerful mix of logic, hyper observation, and future vision. And it's saying so he can see the potential futures from these dreams that get stronger after drinking the water of life. Okay. He's very mentally sound and he can process small details at his supercomputer speed, which is like actually a thing. like you know the you know you know like the bigger guy that is almost like their chauffeur for like the beginning of the second movie? He's like the big guy. He's like kind of showing them around. He's still like a trades. I don't know how to explain him. He's fat. I know you're talking about he's got the beard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's in the hungry names. Yes. Yes. So he is a ment ment or men tat yeah. Mentat. Where they show in the first movie when the the Emperor's Guild like shows up on Kaladin. Mm-hmm. They like go up there and they like ask a question. Mm-hmm. And the big guy, he like goes like this with his eyes, the eyes go in the back of his head. And then he like just spits out a number like that. Because so the idea of Dune is it's so far in the future, but if you notice there's like no computers and stuff. it's like basically supposed to be like anti technology, like how capable the human brain is kind of thing, but So it's saying that Paul has that like ment ability. Gotcha. And then after drinking the water of life, he gains access to ancestral memories of past generations. So that's an explanation for that. and then which Awesome, awesome scene of him just yelling at the crowd and then St Stilgar yelling Lisa N Al Ghaib. Yeah. and then this all happens really quick where They basically make a plan to infiltrate where the Harkonens are because the Harkonens have no idea that all these Fremen people are there. And there's like a scene of the Baron talking to De Batista's character essentially. And they're like, Well, yeah, we wiped out the north. They're like, Well, what about the south? And they're like, Well, we know no one lives down there because it's inhab inhabitable or whatever. Mm-hmm. And Then they just come out of nowhere on these worms. Well well, first I guess you got that iconic shot of Paul like standing at the top of that yeah cliff and he's like putting his fist in there and you see all these people sick. And then they fire like a couple of missiles or bombs or something over to the Harkinins and then you have Paul the silhouette with the explosion in the background, which is sick. And then they ride in on these worms. and they reunited with Gurney in the middle of all this. Yeah. Which was That scene is sick. Yeah. And it's very intentional that like obviously they didn't show his death in the first movie. Mm-hmm. That was another another thing with Gurney Scene when he gets there is like the the bombs that they have are literally just like magnets that go to the ship and like I've never seen bombs depicted like that. I thought that was cool. but just in general, like all of Dune Two is just like the Fremen gaining power. Like in the first movie it looks like the Harkonens are just taking over everything. And then like even towards the start of Dune 2, like you see where the Fremen like have a plan for like taking down these Harkin and ships. Like that I don't know how I didn't talk about this, but like that first sequence where it's basically all we really see is Paul and Shawnee like they're like hiding behind like that ship's legs or whatever. And they're like shooting out the ship and then you get this They shoot it down, but you get the scene of them running from like leg to leg and the ship like falls in the background and explodes. That scene is really cool. I think that like kind of set the tone that this is gonna be a little bit more action packed than the first movie. Yeah. 'Cause that happens pretty early in the Yeah, that does happen really early. Yeah. And it like I think too, yeah, it just sets that precedent that how powerful the Fremen are already getting. and how quickly it's happening. Yeah, they they ri they ride in. They basically wipe out most of the parking ins. Really quickly they walk into where the Emperor is with the Baron. twist here. What do you mean? Paul Well no, I guess When does he say We already knew that Paul was Baden's grandson. Yeah, that's and that Jessica was Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. Yeah, that's that's that's way earlier. Do they find out? That's like when that's that's when she drinks the water. Yeah. And he and she's like man. Blah blah blah, and he's like I or like she's a he's a Did You Know or something or yeah. And then yeah, and then she's having like literally these conversations like with her daughter in the yeah womb or whatever. crap. Yeah. Man. There's so much good stuff. Okay. Which yeah. But he walks in. Kills Baron. I don't know what d I don't know if he make if Paul makes like any demands yet. Does he kill the Baron and then fight Austin Butler? Yeah, he kills the Baron and then they end up going to like another place. And then that's where like the Emperor and the Harkinens with Fade, they walk in and all the Fremen people are already there. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. And then they and then they duke it out. Yeah. That scene is awesome. That's like my favorite scene, bro. That scene is so sick. The like before them fighting, like may thy knife chip and shatter. Uh-huh. And then you got like I don't know. It's literally just like them two in like a stance and there's like the window and it's like the sun is setting. It's all so perfect. And it's very similar to the ending of the first movie of like just this knife combat fight to just kind of push this agenda forward for Paul. Yeah. Yeah, then he gets stabbed and then he Yeah, he he gets he gets stabbed but he ends up killing Fade and then Fade says Like you fought well, Atreides, which is exactly what he says to the guy that he kills in Giddy Prime, which I thought was a cool mm full circle moment. And then you get his his speech to the Emperor basically, which is so sick. Yeah. I like that one. I don't know. I think I like that one. I like that one more than when it hits him in the temple. I exit. you say silence. It's so he goes, I am Paula Treides, Duke of Arrakis. and it's like the it's like the the the Benegesteric dog. Consider what you are about to do, Paula Trates. Silence And right so like right before the fight, he tells Zandea, just remember I'm always gonna love you kind of thing. And he's like, I'm gonna marry your daughter. Yeah. Suck it. Yeah, basically. Yeah. But it's then she's then she's all mad. Yeah. And it's like cause you know you know that he actually does love Chani, but in order for him to fulfill this Prophecy he wants to you know, be the emperor basically. He knows that he has to get in there somehow and that's what he does. Yeah. Yeah. And then the to end with Chani like running out to the sandworm, I think is like just a really really perfect way to end it because she really is the one that is mostly like negatively being impacted by everything that's happening. And you can see her resistance towards Paul gaining power the entire movie and Paul kinda reassures her that he just wants to be Fremen. She's still speculative of it, but she still chooses to trust Paul. Right. And now she kinda just feels like all that trust is gone because everything that he said he wasn't gonna be, he is. Yeah. Dude, yeah, my I am too. I don't know. I are you you think you're gonna read the whole book and then watch and then watch both the movies twice? Yeah. It's gonna be a dune fall and winter. Dang. That's sick. so I wrote Paul doesn't get to his rise without Chani helping him become a Fremen. Mm-hmm. And that that just like reiterates that Shani is like the biggest victim of this because she could have just not have helped him and then none of this would have happened really. And obviously it's not her fault, but and then I also wrote like I felt like there's a parallel between this story and the way that Nolan interpreted the Odyssey just because like was all of this that has happened really the best outcome that could have happened. Right. Like with Odyssey, everything at Troy and the war at Troy. Was that really the best outcome? Yeah. the main character being foretold what is gonna happen and all these people are gonna die. Like Odysseus eventually just accepts that. He tries to defy the gods, then he accepts it. Like there's a back and forth there. There's kind of a back and forth in Dune. Yeah, I j I just thought there was some parallels there. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Dune two, great. Dune three, both the trailers that have come out, I think, are the best trailers I've ever seen. the Paul Fremen chant in the background is so sick. Have you watched the Dune trailer? I have, but I just d I wasn't really paying attention. man. I'm going to tonight. Like Timothy Chalamet is like he's like Screaming a Frem and Chant in the background with like the Sans Zimmer score. Like that's sick. Line of Sangren, new cinematographer, shooting it on film. They're going away from Fraser. Frasier. Dang. but it's gonna it's gonna be good. That looks really cool. I have to watch Lawrence of Arabia before Dune Three because there are very clear Visual draws from Lawrence of Arabia and it's on film. some visual draws from Star Wars too. That I that I noticed. Well the two moons and Dune think that's in the second Dune. As the is kind of reminiscent of the two suns from a new hope. Well the the scene where he's standing on on the sand dune with like the sun In the background. That's that's like the most famous scene. Paul? Yeah. I think it's right on On here. Yeah. Ur, I feel like he's up on the No, I'm not, bro. Clutchin' that No I'm not. But whatever, I guess doesn't really matter. Yeah, whatever. I don't know. You got anything else to say about Dune? No, I really liked it though. I did too. Yeah. Love both of Yeah, me too. Dune three. Coming out December eighteenth. Dune three. So what are you gonna do? You're gonna see Doomsday? I might just see Dune Three five times on December one day. On December. No, I I don't know what for for sure my plan's gonna be. I don't know. I it might have to be an IMAX trip. Ooh. I like that. It might have to be. So I like that a lot. But I'd love to see it as early as possible. Yeah. I'm gonna see I'm for sure gonna see it first. Really? Yeah. Cause I don't know if I'm gonna see Doomsday. Well On that same. I saw I wanna do the double feature kinda. There the movie though. The real the real talk podcasts. Came out with like merch. And they have one shirt that says Dunes Day. Mm-hmm. And then they have another shirt that says Dune's Day. but I'm just going to see Dune twice or something like that. And they have another one that says like Dune's Day 'cause I'm going to see Dune and then calling it a day or something like that. That is funny. I think I should get one of those shirts. Yeah. but no, I'm Dune three looks amazing. Yeah, it's gonna be sick. But yeah, I'll I'll definitely be revisiting these at least one more time before the third one comes out. For our next episode we're gonna do a science fiction movie draft. Building off our our our mini dune run here. So yeah, anything else? That's all I got. All right. Thanks for joining us guys for episode thirteen of the Potsea. See ya.