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TERROR IN THE HEARTLAND: BOY, 5, HURLED OFF MALL OF AMERICA BALCONY, PREDATOR STALKED MALL · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Terror in the Heartland.
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  Speaker 2: A beautiful little boy, just five years old hurled off
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  Speaker 2: the Mall of America balcony. A predator stalked the mall
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  Speaker 2: before throwing the child straight down.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: Five year old Landon Hoffmann arrives at Minnesota's Mall of
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  Speaker 3: America with his mom for a day of celebration, but
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  Speaker 3: within minutes, an unsuspecting child will cross paths with an
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  Speaker 3: evil stranger.
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  Speaker 2: Joining us Landon's mother to tell us what happened that
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  Speaker 2: day at Mall of America and about her journey since
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  Speaker 2: this horrific tragedy.
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  Speaker 1: But first listen and I saw.
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  Speaker 4: The suspect pick up land in and it's kind of
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  Speaker 4: tossing over the edge. I don't really think I could
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  Speaker 4: put into words what I've just the filling on.
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  Speaker 5: A chili April morning, snow still on the ground, Carrie Hoffman,
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  Speaker 5: her five year old son Landon, and a friend and
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  Speaker 5: her son will arrive at the mall early before all
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  Speaker 5: the stores are open. Standing outside the Rainforest Cafe on
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  Speaker 5: the third floor, the boys are playing on a fake
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  Speaker 5: rock when a man Carrie thought was an employee.
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  Speaker 6: He walks up to.
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  Speaker 5: The boys, asking if it was okay for the boys
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  Speaker 5: to be on the rock. The man tells the moms
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  Speaker 5: very nicely, it's okay, you can be here. The man
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  Speaker 5: then leans down and whispers something into Will's ear.
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  Speaker 2: Got from our forensic k A R E. Eleven and
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  Speaker 2: join me. Landa's mom Carrie Hoffman, author of Miracle at
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  Speaker 2: the Mall. Carrie, thank you for being with us. Why
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  Speaker 2: did you take your children to the mall that day?
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  Speaker 1: Mall of America.
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  Speaker 7: Landon had just finished preschool and we were going to
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  Speaker 7: go there and do something fun, celebrate the end of preschool,
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  Speaker 7: beginning of kindergarten. What's to be a fun.
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  Speaker 2: Day, you know, Carrie, It's really interesting that your idea
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  Speaker 2: of fun is taking the children to the mall, because
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  Speaker 2: I try to discourage my children from being mall rats.
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  Speaker 2: But Mall of America is different. Mall of America isn't
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  Speaker 2: just a mall where all you can do is shop
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  Speaker 2: and spend money on material things.
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  Speaker 1: With all the other.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you're bombarded with materialism, But at Mall of America,
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  Speaker 2: it really is a tourist spot.
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  Speaker 1: I was researching.
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  Speaker 2: They have Nickelodeon Universe, an indoor theme park, Sea Life,
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  Speaker 2: Minnesota Aquarium. They have the Amazing Mirror Maze, the Rock
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  Speaker 2: of Ages, black Light, Mini Golf, fifty restaurants, events, activities.
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  Speaker 2: It's seven acres. The Nickelodeon Universe has a seven acre
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  Speaker 2: indoor theme park, twenty four rides like roller coasters and
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  Speaker 2: family friendly attractions. They have the aquarium with Marine Life.
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  Speaker 2: They have that Mirror Maize. It's reflections and twists you
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  Speaker 2: try to get through.
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  Speaker 1: Mini Golf.
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  Speaker 2: They have that Crayola experience. They have Museum of Illusions,
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  Speaker 2: and over fifty restaurants. There's also fly Over America, the
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  Speaker 2: Escape game.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I could go.
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  Speaker 2: On and on and on about what's in the Mall
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  Speaker 2: of America. So when I first heard you took your
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  Speaker 2: children for fun at the mall, I'm like, what is
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  Speaker 2: fun about wandering endlessly around and around and around stores?
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  Speaker 1: But it's actually a lot of fun. What did you
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  Speaker 1: have in mind that day?
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  Speaker 7: Well, it is really close to my house, so it's
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  Speaker 7: only about twenty minutes, and so we can go there
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  Speaker 7: and just do the one thing. It is that big
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  Speaker 7: and has all of that stuff. But that day we
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  Speaker 7: were just going to that Krayola experience. We knew it
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  Speaker 7: was on the third floor.
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  Speaker 1: What is that?
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  Speaker 7: You just go, you go pay to go in there.
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  Speaker 7: It's a separate, you know, experience, and you go from
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  Speaker 7: station to station creating things with crans, so you can
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  Speaker 7: like melt crans and do a spin arts. You can
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  Speaker 7: pretend you're a crayon and dance like a crayon. There's
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  Speaker 7: there's like a whole creon slides and everything has to
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  Speaker 7: do with the creole, the creole a crayon. Just you
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  Speaker 7: just go around and spend there.
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  Speaker 2: At our mall for the Twins, which we thought was
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  Speaker 2: just amazing, was a Lego land and they had some
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  Speaker 2: rides and they had three D movies and like when
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  Speaker 2: it would rain you'd get wet or just and we
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  Speaker 2: just thought that was the biggest thing ever, was to
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  Speaker 2: go to the Lego Land. It was just one big
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  Speaker 2: room and a playpit, a playpit, and my son was
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  Speaker 2: already getting tall and I had to bring id to
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  Speaker 2: show he was under twelve because he was already taller
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  Speaker 2: than me. You know, it's just the dichotomy, because those
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  Speaker 2: are some of the happiest memories that I have of
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  Speaker 2: taking them and their friends and playing in the ballpit
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  Speaker 2: and riding those crazy rides with them in a mall. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And the dichotomy between your happy intentions and what happened
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  Speaker 2: that day, it just it hurts to think about it.
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  Speaker 2: What tell me what happened?
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  Speaker 7: Well, we were there before it opened, so it opened
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  Speaker 7: at ten am, and we were there probably quarter two,
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  Speaker 7: so we were You could park and you could walk in,
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  Speaker 7: and you could go wait outside the experience until it opened,
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  Speaker 7: and so that's what we were doing. We were kind
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  Speaker 7: of just standing on those rocks outside that Rainforest Cafe,
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  Speaker 7: which is right next to the Kerala Experience, waiting for
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  Speaker 7: it to open. And we were just leaning over those
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  Speaker 7: rocks looking at that alligator, trying to see if it
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  Speaker 7: would turn on. Usually it goes up and down and
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  Speaker 7: steam come out, and it wasn't doing that because it
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  Speaker 7: wasn't on yet. It wasn't open. But the boys were
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  Speaker 7: just like looking at it waiting for it to come on.
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  Speaker 7: And when we were doing that, a man had walked
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  Speaker 7: up and leaned put his elbows on the rock and
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  Speaker 7: leaned over and was talking to the boys quietly in
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  Speaker 7: their ears. And I was right there with the other
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  Speaker 7: mom that I was with, and we were talking and
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  Speaker 7: the boys as this man was whispering in their ear,
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  Speaker 7: and they were giggling, and so whatever he was saying
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  Speaker 7: was funny, but it did strike me as odd, on
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  Speaker 7: why is he leaning over and whispering. So I did
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  Speaker 7: ask him if if he was going to turn the
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  Speaker 7: alligator on. See it was winter or it was April,
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  Speaker 7: but it was snowing that day and we all had
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  Speaker 7: on winter coats and boots, and he had on short
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  Speaker 7: sleeves and blue jeans, so I thought that he worked there,
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  Speaker 7: and so I asked him if he was going to
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  Speaker 7: turn the alliator on, and he said, you know, kind
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  Speaker 7: of just mumbled to me. No, you know, I don't
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  Speaker 7: know what he said, just no, no, kind of mumbles.
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  Speaker 7: I said, well, is it okay if we stand here?
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  Speaker 7: And he's like, oh, yeah, that's okay that you stand here,
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  Speaker 7: just like it reassured me. He was nice, he looked
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  Speaker 7: kind It wasn't. I didn't. I had a warning when
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  Speaker 7: I went into the mall, but I did not have
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  Speaker 7: a warning standing there talking to him.
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  Speaker 2: Carrie, you just mentioned you had a signal a warning
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  Speaker 2: when you first went into the mall.
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  Speaker 1: What happened?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just it was driving into that parking ramp.
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  Speaker 7: I just had an overwhelming whelming sense that I could
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  Speaker 7: be in danger, something weird could happen today. It was
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  Speaker 7: just like some odd feeling that I didn't feel comfortable with.
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  Speaker 7: So I just prayed, and I asked God to go
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  Speaker 7: before us to keep us safe everywhere we go. I
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  Speaker 7: asked for angels to come with us to guard us
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  Speaker 7: and keep us safe. I also led the blood of
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  Speaker 7: Jesus around us, because I know the enemy can't cross
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  Speaker 7: the blood line. So I just led blood of Jesus.
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  Speaker 7: And then I thought, okay, let's go. We're gonna go
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  Speaker 7: have a fun day. And so I had the warning
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  Speaker 7: enough to pray that keep us safe today. But when
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  Speaker 7: I was talking to the man, I believe it or not,
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  Speaker 7: did not feel like I better get away. He was
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  Speaker 7: reassuring me. I felt like, I honestly feel like the
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  Speaker 7: enemy was working through this man and he was reassuring me,
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  Speaker 7: and I was feeling comfortable because he was tricking me.
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  Speaker 7: But I did not know that.
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  Speaker 2: It's amazing to me, Carrie, that you felt that premonition
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  Speaker 2: and you actually acted on it by praying. You know
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  Speaker 2: now my twins take themselves to school, which I really
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  Speaker 2: miss driving them to school. But the last thing they
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  Speaker 2: would hear would be a prayer over them every morning
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  Speaker 2: as they got out of the minivan to go to school. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and I can just imagine you pulling into that parking
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  Speaker 2: ramp and getting that feeling. And you know a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people pooh pooh feelings, and that's completely erroneous because
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  Speaker 2: our feelings are hunches, premonitions, so to speak.
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  Speaker 1: Are based on thousands of thousands of year years of evolution.
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  Speaker 2: Something tips us off, or is in your case, you
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  Speaker 2: believe it was a higher, a more divine warning.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking about.
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  Speaker 2: What you said, Carrie, that the man was talking to
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  Speaker 2: the boys and they were giggling.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, everybody.
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  Speaker 4: I ran down and found the first officer I saw
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  Speaker 4: the entire time. My concern was for.
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  Speaker 8: Landing whispering so the moms can't hear. The man, who
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  Speaker 8: is not an employee, has previously thought, tells the boys,
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  Speaker 8: if you don't get off this rock, I'm going to
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  Speaker 8: throw you off. The boys nervously giggle. When the man
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  Speaker 8: reaches around, Will grabs land in and throws the five
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  Speaker 8: year old over the third floor railing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my stars, that original sound was from our friends
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  Speaker 2: at kare you're standing there with the other mom.
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  Speaker 1: What did you observe, Carrie?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, actually Will was right next to the man, and
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  Speaker 7: he went around Will and grabbed Land and took him
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  Speaker 7: under the armpits and threw him over the balcony. And
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  Speaker 7: it all happened so fast, like we were not that
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  Speaker 7: far from the balcony, probably I don't know ten feet.
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  Speaker 7: He ran that fast and through him before I could
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  Speaker 7: even understand what just happened. As soon as he did it, though,
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  Speaker 7: I screamed, no, devil, take your hands off. I'm somebody
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  Speaker 7: just threw my baby. Went screaming down the escalator stairs
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  Speaker 7: at somebody through my baby. I just went as fast
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  Speaker 7: as I could do.
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  Speaker 1: You down the third floor.
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  Speaker 7: Carry, Yes, I was on the third floor.
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  Speaker 2: We're showing an image now inside Mall of America, and
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  Speaker 2: you see the bottom the ground floor, the next floor,
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  Speaker 2: but then the escalator takes you up even higher. Looked
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  Speaker 2: all the way up near that glass roof to the
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  Speaker 2: third floor, that is from where this child was thrown
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  Speaker 2: to that hard, hard bass floor.
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  Speaker 1: You start screaming and do what.
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  Speaker 7: Carrie ran as fast as I can, yelling somebody through
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  Speaker 7: my baby, somebody through my baby, everybody, come help pray.
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  Speaker 7: As soon as I got down there, I saw him
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  Speaker 7: or I didn't see him, and I yelled, where is he?
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  Speaker 7: There wasn't many people there, like I said, it wasn't
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  Speaker 7: open yet, and one woman pointed where he was and
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  Speaker 7: I ran and picked him up, and she goes, no,
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  Speaker 7: you have to put him down. Please put him down.
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  Speaker 7: You know, my first instinct was to pick him up.
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  Speaker 7: I don't remember what he looked like or anything. I
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  Speaker 7: just saw him and scooped him up. And right behind
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  Speaker 7: me two nurses happened to be on the second level
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  Speaker 7: waiting for a st door to open. Like I was,
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  Speaker 7: I am brooding, landing on to live and take a breath.
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  Speaker 7: So they were giving him CPR and they said, we
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  Speaker 7: got a heart beat, and I said, yes, we got
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  Speaker 7: a heart beat. Everybody pray. And I looked up and
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  Speaker 7: there's three levels of people all looking over the balcony
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  Speaker 7: and I just looked up there and I said, everybody pray.
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  Speaker 7: He has a heartbeat. And then they said he just
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  Speaker 7: took a breath, and I said, yes, he took a breath.
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  Speaker 7: Everybody pray, and I just begged everyone one around staring
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  Speaker 7: to pray. This is what we're doing. We're praying, and
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  Speaker 7: we're routing landing On to live and not die. And
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  Speaker 7: that's what we were doing.
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  Speaker 3: As the five year old is amazed by the rainforest cafe,
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  Speaker 3: the perpetrator closes in. He leans down whispers something to
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  Speaker 3: the little boy. Seconds later, the mall will erupt in chaos.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me is Landon's mom, who describes running down an
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  Speaker 2: escalator begging people around her to pray for her son.
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  Speaker 2: As she reaches land and picks him up and is
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  Speaker 2: still praying that he is alive. But at that moment,
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  Speaker 2: as she is praying, Landon is dead with no heartbeat.
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  Speaker 2: The guy, Miss Hoffman, that threw your son over the
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  Speaker 2: balcony on the third of Mall of America, had a
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  Speaker 2: reputation in the mall of throwing things off the balcony,
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  Speaker 2: throwing things into restaurants, Yet he was still there.
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  Speaker 1: He had not been banned from the all.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know what the whole background is
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  Speaker 7: on that. I never wanted anything to do with this guy.
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  Speaker 7: I know that he had issues there, and I think
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  Speaker 7: he was banned. I think there was a lot at
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  Speaker 7: the time that you could only be banned for up
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  Speaker 7: to six months, maybe one year, and so I mean
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  Speaker 7: that has been changed now, but I don't know. I
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  Speaker 7: don't like to go down that role, that hole of
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  Speaker 7: all the things I have to do with this man,
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  Speaker 7: because he is no part of our life.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, You're so wise, Carrie.
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  Speaker 2: I try not to think about the guy that murdered
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  Speaker 2: my fiance because it's wasted energy. Yeah, it's completely wasted
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  Speaker 2: energy and time and can take me down a dark hole.
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  Speaker 1: That's try. It's very difficult to get out of. Listen
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  Speaker 1: to this.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody falling forty feet to the ground, Landen Hoffman breaks
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  Speaker 5: his skull, facial bones, both arms, and a leg, as
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  Speaker 5: well as a life threatening injury to his vina kVA
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  Speaker 5: running to his heart. Two nurses who work in a
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  Speaker 5: cardiac unit happen to be right there when it happened
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  Speaker 5: and are able to perform CPR on the little boy.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us right now.
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  Speaker 2: Is a renowned medical examiner, the Chief Medical Examiner District
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  Speaker 2: two Medical Examiner's Office, State of Florida. He is a
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  Speaker 2: forensic pathologist, a toxicologist, and a neuro pathologist. Wow doctor
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  Speaker 2: Thomas Coin, thank you for being with us. I'm hearing
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  Speaker 2: a lot of medical jargon if you can make some
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  Speaker 2: sense of it for us. We're told landon falls forty
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  Speaker 2: feet and remember age five, age five, If that makes
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  Speaker 2: any difference, fall's.
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  Speaker 1: Forty feet is thrown. He didn't fall thrown forty.
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  Speaker 2: Feet to a hard surface, the bottom floor of Mall
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  Speaker 2: of America. It looks like it's tile, which is probably
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  Speaker 2: on top of cement. Forty feet to the ground, breaks
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  Speaker 2: the skull, facial bones, both arms, and a leg. And
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  Speaker 2: this is the thing I don't understand. Life threatening injury
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  Speaker 2: to Veena Kava running to his heart, what does that mean?
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  Speaker 6: Sure, those are types of injuries that I will see
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  Speaker 6: in high impact car collisions or injuries where the body
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  Speaker 6: absorbs a lot of force. And the vein we remember
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  Speaker 6: from school, the blood is carried in our body through
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  Speaker 6: arteries and veins. Arteries carry the blood away from our
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  Speaker 6: heart to oliver organs, and the veins deliver the blood
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  Speaker 6: back to our heart from oliver organs. The vein of
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  Speaker 6: keva is the largest vein that we have in our body,
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  Speaker 6: and it courses from our pelvic region back up to
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  Speaker 6: the heart. And so all of the blood that comes
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  Speaker 6: from our feet and our legs comes together into the
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  Speaker 6: vena cava, and as the vina cable travels back up
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  Speaker 6: to the heart along the spine, all of the organs
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  Speaker 6: in our body send veins that communicate with the vena cava,
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  Speaker 6: allowing all that blood to come back to our art
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  Speaker 6: to get rid of the carbon dioxide and get new oxygen.
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  Speaker 6: The vinagable, like I said, is a large vessel. And
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  Speaker 6: so when the body absorbs a large amount of force,
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  Speaker 6: whether it be a car car crash, or in this
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  Speaker 6: case a fall from great height at impact, the body
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  Speaker 6: will absorb that force, will get stretched and become deformed.
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  Speaker 6: And as it becomes deformed, those blood vessels are stretched
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  Speaker 6: beyond their normal elastic capacity. You know, like a rubber band,
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  Speaker 6: if you stretch it too far, it will break. Well,
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  Speaker 6: the same thing can happen to a blood vessel, and
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  Speaker 6: sometimes what happens is the inner layer of that blood
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  Speaker 6: vessel may tear, allowing blood to escape. That inner layer.
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  Speaker 6: In between the layers of the blood vessels can slowly
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  Speaker 6: grow and expand, and so in this case that injury
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  Speaker 6: may not have been recognized at first. They probably realized
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  Speaker 6: he wasn't bleeding into any of his body cavities. They
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  Speaker 6: attended to all of his injuries, and that other small
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  Speaker 6: injury in that vein could have slowly grown over time,
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  Speaker 6: being a threat to rupture at some point, especially if
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  Speaker 6: he started to do normal activity. Again, that we see
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  Speaker 6: that sometimes a vascular dissection is called. And again when
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  Speaker 6: I see in the vein, very often high impact collisions,
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  Speaker 6: I see it from an abdominal trauma and in this case,
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  Speaker 6: more likely when he fell and impacted the ground.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So the vena cava runs directly to the heart.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, it will go right into the bottom of the heart,
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  Speaker 6: and that's where all of the blood draining from our
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  Speaker 6: lower half and our Torso we'll get back to the heart.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: We always hear about the femeral artery or the jugular
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  Speaker 2: or the carotid artery. You don't hear a lot about
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  Speaker 2: the vena kava. I guess because it's protected by the ribcage.
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  Speaker 6: Correct, it's protected by the body, so all the organs
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  Speaker 6: set over it. And again, you very rarely see an
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  Speaker 6: injury like that unless you have extreme force, and in
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  Speaker 6: this case, of course, rare to see this a person survive.
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  Speaker 6: But nevertheless, side did that fall from three floors is
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  Speaker 6: enough force to cause this kind of injury deep inside
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  Speaker 6: the body?
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  Speaker 2: You know, this child was thrown from the third level.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: It's way up there near the skylights of the Mall
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: of America. I mean, that's scary and I'm curious.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: He I've learned.
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  Speaker 2: Was attended to almost immediately by two nurses who happened
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: to be at the mall that race down and start
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: resuscitating him or trying to. How is it different to
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: resuscitate a child versus an adult.
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  Speaker 6: Well, it may it may be a little easier in
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: the sense that you know, a child isn't compensating for
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: underlying heart disease. Right, so many of us, as we
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: get to be in our forties and fifties, we will
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: accumulate heart disease over time, and that may make the
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: heart less responsive to resuscitation. A child is much younger.
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: But also the injuries themselves may not be as severe
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: in a child as opposed to an older adult who
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: may have more internal bleeding, just because of the fact
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: that their masses greater. They're not as plastic or pliable,
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: so their ability to withstand such a force will be
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: less and less, say a much smaller child, but in
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: particular a child. Children also tend to be a little
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: more resistant to loss of oxygen. So you know the
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: classic story of a child who drowns and then is
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: resuscitated even you know, maybe up to thirty minutes later,
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: and is able to still regain normal brain function. So
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: it may very well be that they have a little
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: more plastic ability than adults do, and so sometimes in
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: children it's a little bit easier to get that return
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: of normal spontaneous circulation without having long term frametime.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Crime stories With Nancy Grace, you know, doctor Coyne, I
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: have handled cases where I found in the autopsy a
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: lot of bruising to the body and was told by
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the medical examiner like yourself, that that bruising occurred during CPR.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: This child already suffered multiple broken bones. How do you
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: resuscitate the child when he is covered in breaks and injuries?
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: Sure, I mean it's a ton of war. You're trying
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: to provide resuscitation or enough force to the chest, because
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: mind you, when you're when you're doing CPR, what you're
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: effectively doing is compressing the body to allow the body
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: to squeeze the heart so you can pump blood through
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: the body. So you want to do it with enough
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: force that actually allows the ribs above to compress down
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: upon the heart to allow blood to flow. And so
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: you you take into consideration that some injuries may and
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: very well occur in adults who are less plastic right there,
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: their ribs aren't. Children have much more cartilage. As we
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: get older, are our bones. The cartilage will turn into bone.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: You'll also have more mineralization or calcium deposits in your bones,
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: so they're a little more easy to break. So in adults,
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: I see very commonly rib fractures, external fractures in persons
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: who administer CPR, But in children they're more plastic, so
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: you're less likely to get a rib fracture. But nevertheless,
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: at the end of the day, we're trying to save
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: this person's life. So you you take into consideration, yes,
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: I'm going to have some injury, but more importantly, can
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: I get this person's heart restarted, Can I get blood
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: flow back to their body? Then I can worry about
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: treating all of those injuries.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: You know, doctor Coyn, I've never heard a victim referred
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: to as plastic, more plastic, less plastic.
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  Speaker 1: What are you saying?
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: Sure, so you know I'm more pliable? Right, So again children,
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: and I'm sure we all are not growing up. I
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: was able to do a split and do things I
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: certainly cannot do in m twenties and definitely not now
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: in my fifteen.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I bet you could our bodies.
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: Our bodies. I wouldn't want to try it. But our bodies,
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: especially the ligaments, the tendons, all to the cartilaginous parts.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: They're much more pliable as a child. As we get older,
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: as they begin to ossify or form bone, or accumulate
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: minerals from aging calcification or calcium in particular, your bones
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: become less pliable. Your ligaments become less pliable. That's why
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: it's much more easier to tear a ligament as we
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: get older. So children have more pliability. So when they
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: fall and their bodies to form on impact. Right, as
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: you can imagine, if a bone, let's say, is being
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: impact that that bone will bend due to the force,
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: and it will be up to the point upon which
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: it can't bend anymore because it's not elastic, so it
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: will fracture. A child's bone in certain areas have more cartilage,
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: so it's more pliable, so it has more give, if
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: you will, so maybe less likely to fracture than say
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: a person who's in their twenties or thirties. So that's
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: what I mean by more plastic. They're a little more pliable,
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: but also plastic in terms of their ability to respond
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: to injury. They're still growing, you know, they're healthy. Their organs,
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: you know, have no plaques or disease that we have
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: that makes us harder to compensate for injury. A child
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: is much more readily capable of compensating for an injury
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: than an adult.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Doctor coin, How does a fall cause brain injury or
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: a crash?
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know that they do, But how does
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: that happen?
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: What happens to your brain that leaves you with a
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: permanent brain injury?
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: Sure, there's two things really that happen. Well, let's first
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: break it down. There's primary injury, and the primary injury
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: is the effect of the actual impact itself. So there's
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: the direct impact. When your head strikes a hard object
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: or a heard object strikes your head, that will number
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: one cause the force of that object to be transmitted
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: throughout your brain, and so your brain will literally move
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: within your skull, you know, side to side, front to back,
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: slamming into the skull itself. The brain is very soft,
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: like agella mold, so it's very easy for the brain
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: to bruise and get injured. That's the first thing, the
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: direct injury. The second thing is the brain will also
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: rotate around a central axis, so as you imagine if
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: you kick a soccer ball, as that soccer ball is kicked,
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: it will roll, it will spin. The brain wants to
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: spin too after impact, and it will spin or rotate
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: within the actual skull itself. That rotation stretches all of
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: those tiny nerve fibers, and if it stretches it too far,
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: they can tear. And so critically, if the bottom of
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: our brain, where our brain stem sits, it's the part
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: of our brain that you know, allows us to breathe
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: without having to think about it. We're not sitting here
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: thinking about breathing in breathing out. If fibers in those
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: areas are torn or injured, that person can stop breathing
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: and they can die up all of a sudden. So
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: brain injury does those two things primarily, but it's a
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: secondary injury that's more dangerous, and that's the swelling that occurs,
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: because you know, I'm sure we've all gotten punched in
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: our arm before. You may see the initial redness or
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: a little bit of bruising, but over time swelling occurs,
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: and sometimes you can get a significant amount of swelling.
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: Looks like I have a softball on your arm, right.
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: That same thing happens to our brain. But the problem
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: is the brain is within the skull and it has
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: nowhere to go. So as the swelling occurs, pressure builds up,
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: and that pressure is directed back on the brain itself,
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: which can physically compress the brain structures, destroying them or
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: more importantly, prevent blood flow to those areas because blood
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: vessels are compressible.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: You know what, whoa whoa white white Oay. Remember I'm
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: just a g I'm trying to keep up with you,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: but you're saying, okay.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: So the brain is hurt like a bruise, and it
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: starts to.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Swell, and then there's nowhere for it to go, like
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: your arm can go out. I remember every time I
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: got an allergy shot, my arms swell up like two
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: of them like an egg. And my dad would actually
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I'd look over at him, he be driving me home
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: from the allergy doctor, and there'd be tears going in
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: his eyes because he'll look over and see my arms
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: swelling up.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think about how that connects to the brain.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: The brain tries to swell up and it hits the
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: skull and has nowhere to go, so it starts.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Damaging the brain, killing the brain cells because they're up
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: against the skull.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Is that right, Yeah?
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: The pressure, Okay, so that's why they put a shut,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: a hole in the head.
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: A shut, or they'll literally out of the skull to
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: relieve the pressure. Yet, so that secondary part is all
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: times most dangerous. And imagine this, if it's so severe,
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: if the pressure inside the brain or skulls me it
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: is so high, if it's above our blood pressure, no
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: blood can flow into the head or into the brain,
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: and that's where things get really dangerous. And so managing
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: that part, the swelling of the brain, is the most
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: difficult part after an initial injury, and oftentimes that's what
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: is the fatal injury, is a secondary injury or swelling.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Doctor coryn, are you married, Yes?
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not shopping, Okay, I've only raised one. I
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: don't want to start all over with another one.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious.
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: You're so.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Brilliant, But I bet when you go home your life
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: is like, did you take out the trash?
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Okay? Do you know?
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: My kids always I'm literally hanging on every word you're saying.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to take it all in. Okay, let
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: me ask you this.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: We talked about the resuscitation when I have reason to
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: believe when mom ran running down the escalator, you know
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: how sharp those things are, the steps. She's running, screaming
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: to all three levels, pray, pray, pray.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: When she gets to.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Her son, Doctor cron, I think he was dead. I
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: think he was dead at that moment. How can that
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: be good? Way?
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: Well, you know death? How he labeled death. Usually we
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: say when a heart stops speeding, right, But and his
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: heart made very well been stopped. But the brain tissue
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: is still alive until it exhausts all of its energy,
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: all of its oxygen. And so although he may not
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: have been conscious and may not have been able to
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: remember those events, his brain made very well still been functioning,
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: may have been receptive to his mother's voice, to certain
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: sounds around him, It's hard to know because the problem
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: always is in these cases is our inability to remember.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: I use this bad analogy of a person who goes
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: out drinking at nighttime they have you know, they go
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: to parties, and then they wake up the next morning
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: and they can't remember a thing. It isn't that the
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: events never occurred the night before, It's just that the
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: alcohol prevented them from being able to remember the events.
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: So in this way, you know, the injury is preventing
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: you from encoding those memories. So if you ask a
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: person days or you know, a long time after, hey,
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: do you remember the events? Do you remember your mother
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: speaking to you? You may not be able to remember anything,
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: but it doesn't mean that at that moment you couldn't
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: hear her voice, couldn't hear her prayers, And who knows,
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: maybe that gave him enough strength to keep on going.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: But how do you go from being dead on the
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: floor of them all of America to being alive again?
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think you're going to give me some
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: medical explanation, but no, no, it was like a miracle
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: It is. It's a miracle that those two nurses were
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: there to initiate CPR, because the real key was just
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: getting blood flow back to the brain. Was to allow
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: blood flow get back to the brain and the vital
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: organs so he could then be transported to the hospital
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: and have all those injuries you attended to. That was
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: the miracle, really, it was making sure that his heart,
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: although it stopped temporarily, was restarted and life can go on.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: One last thing, doctor Coin, the mom kept talking to
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: him even when he had been he was dead, his
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: heart not beating, and we've I've always heard this anecdotally.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I don't have any statistics to tell me this, because
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: no one apparently believes the near death or after life experiences.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: But we have been told over and over and over
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: that people can hear. It's the last sense to leave
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: you that people can hear even after they're declare did
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: and they can when they're resuscitated, they can recall what.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Was being said around them. Is there any way that
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Landon heard his mother.
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: It's quite possible. Yeah, because as I mentioned, although the
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: heart stopped beating, the brain tissue is still all those
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: cells throughout our brain, all those nerve fibers are still
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: there potentially active, and so if those little fibers in
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: his ears are hearing sounds, they are transmitting those signals
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: to his brain. Again, he may not have been conscious
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: or may not be able to remember those those signals,
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: but I'm assuming it's quite possible that he was still
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: receiving those signals without warning.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: A twenty four year old man lunges at a toddler
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: in one of the fanciest malls in America, lifting the
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: boy up off his feet and hurling over a thirty
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: nine foot balcony. The child swams onto the tile below.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Miss Hofflan, I know that you were already out trying
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: to get in to that ambulance at the time. Standers
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: by grabbed this guy, tackled him and hailed him as
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: he tried to escape. So I want to go back
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: to your story, Carrie, what happened when you got to
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: the hospital.
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: When we get to the hospital, he goes right into
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: a life saving room where it's just a big empty room,
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: and you go in there and all the doctor they
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: told me this was a miracle. At all the doctors
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: that they needed to be there were there, the bone doctor,
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: the brain doctor, you know, the pickewed surgeon, everybody who
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: they needed to be there were there, and they wheeled
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: them into the room and they all started working on
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: his body immediately, five or six doctors all doing different
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: setting his bones, stopping the bleed, removing his spleen, and
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: I got to go right in there with him. I
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: couldn't see, so I stood up on a chair and
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: I just was praying that the God would use those
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: doctors to put him back together. And I was praying
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: out loud, which I don't normally do, and they let
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: me do that. At one point they did say, okay,
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: everybody quiet, because it was just chaos and they're trying
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: to stop all the major injuries. And they said, if
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: you don't need to be talking, please don't be talking.
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: But I considered myself need to be talking at that
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: time because I wanted landin to hear me and I
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: wanted him to fight to be alive, and so they
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: did let me. I wasn't doing it annoying or rude.
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: I was trying to let Land and hear me praying
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: to stay alive. And that's where we were. That's that
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: life saving room where they've just put them back together.
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: Then he goes across the hall to the MRI to
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: see the extent of his brain injury. So that's what
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: you do right when you get there.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: After that initial response and as you call it, the
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: life saving room, what happened after that to Landon?
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: Then they rush him across the hall to give him
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: an MRI to see what extent he has of his
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: brain injury, what are going to be the consequences, and
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: right from there they rush him upstairs to surgery where
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: they can do not just like saving surgery, just every
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: other surgery he's going to need, which was the entire
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: day of surgeries.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Guys, this is the beginning of a very long journey.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Listen Landed Hoffmann has surgeries for his broken arms, a
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: broken leg, and skull fractures, and his spleen was removed.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: He remains in intensive care for four months. He undergoes
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: more than a dozen surgeries and even broke his leg
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: for a second time during his rehab while doctors and
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: nurses are trying to get him out of bed and walking.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: The break reveals his ban a cava vain running to
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: his heart is barely hanging on. Had he tried to
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: walk on it, he would have died. During his recovery.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: A GoFundMe page is launched for medical.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Possible crime stores with Nancy Grace.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Miss Hoffin explained to me what happened when he tried
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: to stand up. This is after over a dozen surgeries.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: He even broke his leg for a second time during rehab.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: But the break itself was a miracle of sorts because
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: it revealed his vena cava vein running to his heart
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: was barely hanging on and had he been able to walk,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: they were trying to get him up and walking, he
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: would have died.
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: Yes, we didn't know the Vina Keva parked until the
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: day till four months later. He probably broke his leg
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: the second time two months in and we were in
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: there for four months and so after you know, six
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: to eight weeks after your that's how long it takes
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: for a bone to heal. And he had broken it
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: from the initial fall. After it was healed, that's where
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: he was able to stand up and do rehab to
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: get it too, you know, strong again, and that's when
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: he broke it a second time. He was on so
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: much pain medicine and he didn't know standing up that
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: he was just so fragile and his body was working
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: so hard to heal everything else, I just think it
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: broke a second time. But at that when we found
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: that out, we were so devastated because we wanted to
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: get out of bed. We were in bed for six
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: to eight weeks at that time, just feeling like, okay,
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: can we just stand up? Can we move it all?
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: We just couldn't because how fragile he was. And so
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: when we could finally stand up and then the learning
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: broke it a second time, we were devastated. And that's
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: where I was asking God, why why do we have
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: to stay in bed now another six to eight weeks?
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  Speaker 7: Not only that, now he has to have a more
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  Speaker 7: permanent cast. And so I could choose between an external
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  Speaker 7: fix stator where they take screws three screws or four
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  Speaker 7: screws down his leg, take it from his skin and
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  Speaker 7: drill it into his bone to hold it into place.
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  Speaker 7: I could do that, or I could do a hard
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  Speaker 7: cast all the way from his foot all the way
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  Speaker 7: up to his chest, and then he would really not
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  Speaker 7: be able to move. Plus he couldn't get out of
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  Speaker 7: bed to use the bathroom, so he was I have
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  Speaker 7: to change him all the time, and having that big, long,
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  Speaker 7: that big hard cast from his foot to his chest
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  Speaker 7: was not an option for me, so we went with
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: the external fix stator, which gave him more movement. But
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  Speaker 7: it was it was awful, It was painful, it was torture.
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  Speaker 7: I hated that. We found out at the end of
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  Speaker 7: our stay four months later that the vienna keeva was
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  Speaker 7: the main issue that the doctors could not figure out.
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  Speaker 7: It was closing to the size of a pinhole. And
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  Speaker 7: that's when we learned good thing he broke his leg
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  Speaker 7: a second time because had he not, he would have
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  Speaker 7: been up walking around and that could have been devastating.
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  Speaker 7: And so I knew there was a reason we broke
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  Speaker 7: the leg because I thought God did not take us
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  Speaker 7: through this miracle and keep him alive to go through
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  Speaker 7: even more pain like this, just petty pain. So I
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: knew there was a reason, but I didn't know why.
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  Speaker 7: And now I know why.
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  Speaker 2: As we mentioned, the recovery has been such a long road.
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  Speaker 8: Recovery is a long journey for the entire family. Gary
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  Speaker 8: watches yes her son's personality changes. Where Landon had always
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: been a sweet and kind child, injury to the frontal
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  Speaker 8: love of his brain causes his personality to shift, and
• 37:59
  Speaker 8: he became angry and mean. The injury causes his personality
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  Speaker 8: to switch back to sweet and kind, only to change
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  Speaker 8: again to angry and mean.
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  Speaker 2: Carrie, I had a relative very close to me suffer
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  Speaker 2: a traumatic brain injury after a crash and their personality
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  Speaker 2: did change. Yeah, tell me what happened with Landa's personality change?
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  Speaker 7: You know, when I found out in the hospital halfway
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  Speaker 7: through or whatever that this was going to be, I
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: knew I was going to get him back walking and talking.
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: I was going to have landed back. But they did
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  Speaker 7: tell me he will have a slight personality change, we
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: don't know the extent of it, and that he will
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: be more impulsive as he grows up, because that's what
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: he injured, is his front alone. They also told me
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  Speaker 7: that it was a good thing. If you could injure
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  Speaker 7: any part of your brain, this is the part you
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: would want to injure, because people brain surgeons can remove
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  Speaker 7: this part of your can still be alive and have
• 38:59
  Speaker 7: a good quality of life. And so at the time
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  Speaker 7: when they told me that, I didn't care that he
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: was going to have a different personality or be more impulsive.
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  Speaker 7: I was going to get him back. I was just
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: so thankful. But everything they told me when we did
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: get home and try to go to kindergarten two weeks
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: after we get home from the hospital, is when I
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: saw that he was in and out of being nice
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: and mean, and his eyes were like bulging out and
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: then and then and then I would just have to
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: teach him land and we don't do that. This is
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: not we don't act like that. He just had to
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: learn all over how to be kind again. And six
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: this we're now going on six years, and I do
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: think Landin is totally back to the kid he was
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: supposed to be. He is loving life, he is so kind,
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: so loving, loves people. He's back now, but it took
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: a long time to learn that, and I would say
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: at least three years of that in and out of mean.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to hear Landing for yourself.
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  Speaker 9: Lessens land Hi, they are one week but I.
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  Speaker 11: Yes, yes, now, a right, yes.
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  Speaker 2: That is Landing with a feeding tube in his nose,
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  Speaker 2: singing a beloved song.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus loves me. This I know. And here is more
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  Speaker 1: from land.
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  Speaker 12: My name is Landon. I'm nine years old. I'm the
• 40:49
  Speaker 12: guy that got thrown at the third story at Mall
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  Speaker 12: of America And that was the part where God came
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  Speaker 12: in and helped as a miracle that I'm alive. God
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  Speaker 12: healed all the parts in my body.
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  Speaker 6: I'm perfect.
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  Speaker 12: I would say that I want people to know my
• 41:11
  Speaker 12: story because I want them to believe in God and
• 41:14
  Speaker 12: go to heaven.
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  Speaker 2: That is a reference at Eagle Brook Church. That's amazing, Carrie,
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  Speaker 2: that is amazing. Tell me about Landon now.
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  Speaker 7: He has a walking, talking miracle. He loves life. He
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: does not This story is not something sad. He is
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: not scared of people. He's not scared to be in public.
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: He knows that he is the boy that God used
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: to show the world a miracle, and he is proud
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: of it. And he will tell all of his friends,
• 41:52
  Speaker 7: do you believe in God? I hope people believe in
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: God because if you don't, you won't go to heaven
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  Speaker 7: with me. And I want you to go to heaven.
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  Speaker 7: And if you don't believe, it happens me. I have
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  Speaker 7: all these scars and God saved me. And that's who
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: he is. He's just walking around showing everybody what a
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: miracle he is. That is the power of God. That's
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: who our God is today and Landon is living proof
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: that God is real, and he is powerful and he
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  Speaker 7: listens when you call on him.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Here is more from Landon.
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  Speaker 2: When your friends ask you about what happened to you,
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  Speaker 2: what do you tell them.
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  Speaker 12: I tell him that it was me that got thrown
• 42:30
  Speaker 12: and they say really, and and I show them everything
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  Speaker 12: on me.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: That from our friends at Good Morning America. You know,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: I just want to see Landon speaking one more time.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Let's watch.
• 42:43
  Speaker 12: My name is Landon and I'm nine years old. I'm
• 42:47
  Speaker 12: the guy that got thrown the third story at the
• 42:50
  Speaker 12: Mall of America. And that was the part where God
• 42:54
  Speaker 12: came in and helped. There's a miracle that I'm alive.
• 42:58
  Speaker 12: God healed all the my book.
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  Speaker 6: I'm perfect.
• 43:04
  Speaker 12: I would say that I want people to know my
• 43:09
  Speaker 12: story because I want them to believe in God and
• 43:12
  Speaker 12: go to heaven.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: This is a miracle from our friends at Eagle Brook Church.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Carrie, you told me earlier.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Off air that you felt Christ with you particularly at
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: one moment.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Could you describe that.
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: Just when I was in that hospital room, I was
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: held in a perfect peace the entire time. I mean
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: I intentionally didn't have TV on or outside noise of
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: the world. I asked people not to tell me what
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: was going on out there, because I wanted to be
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: close to God, and I was honestly held at perfect
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: peace that entire four months. I knew he was there,
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: I felt him there. It was just I was never scared.
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: Doctors were coming in and out, and some of them
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: would be maybe throwing telling me to throw in the towel.
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: I even had one told me I can't maintain this
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: warrior status forever. But I did not waiver. I felt
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: God's presence in that hospital room the entire four months,
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: and he kept me in that perfect peace, and I
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: felt Landon was going to be okay, and he was
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: never going to die, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 2: An incredible story of a miracle. Carrie describes it all
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: in her book Miracle at the Mall. Carrie, thank you
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: for telling us your story, land and story and giving
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: us your witness.
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: Thank you so much for having me on the show.
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: I so appreciate being a part of this.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: We remember an American hero, Deputy share of Sidney Carter,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: killed in a line of duty, survived by her parents.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Grieving parents Annette and Jerry, American hero Sheriff Sydney Carter.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,