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Murdaugh mom and son murders still a mystery as dad Alec Murdaugh faces new financial fraud charges · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, the legal heir to millions
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  Speaker 1: of dollars, a law practice, a beautiful home, a hunting lodge,
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  Speaker 1: a family, a law practice still sitting behind bars, and
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  Speaker 1: the murder of his wife Maggie and son Paul still
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  Speaker 1: remain unsoft. Of course, I'm talking about Alex Murdog, the
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  Speaker 1: only person in the world excited to hear about Kaila
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell's trial, because that means nobody's looking at him. But
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  Speaker 1: guess what, Alex Murdog, I'm looking at you. We all are.
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  Speaker 1: Is he going to make bond, let me jog everybody's memory,
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  Speaker 1: or as we say in court, your honor, may I
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  Speaker 1: refresh the witness's recollection. Alex Murdog comes home from the hospital,
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  Speaker 1: he says, to find his wife Maggie and son Paul
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  Speaker 1: dead out behind his hunting lodge. Then it turns out
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  Speaker 1: he hires his dope dealer cousin Eddie to shoot him,
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  Speaker 1: Alex Murdog and the head so he can leave behind
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  Speaker 1: insurance policy for his son. Well, maybe that's not what
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  Speaker 1: it was about, because now we are finding out that
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  Speaker 1: he Alex Murdog, has been siphoning millions and millions of
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  Speaker 1: dollars from his clients as a lawyer, saying Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna get you this settlement. And then he steals like
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  Speaker 1: a million dollars of the settlement and gives them thirty
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  Speaker 1: grand millions of dollars. He's been writing checks, siphoning off
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  Speaker 1: into his private bank account for what to support his
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  Speaker 1: drug Abbott. We don't know what is he about to
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  Speaker 1: walk free? I mean, is he grace? This is crime stories.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of dead bodies connected to Alex Murdog
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  Speaker 1: and one of them, a lot of people forget about her,
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  Speaker 1: is miss Saderfield. Miss Gloria Saderfield was the Murdoch's housekeeper,
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  Speaker 1: and lo and behold, she ends up at the bottom
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  Speaker 1: of the stairs dying. I want you to take a listen.
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  Speaker 1: I remember the only other person at home when Gloria Saderfield,
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  Speaker 1: in her fifties plumbs down the stairs of the home
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  Speaker 1: with the mansion, the only person at home is son Paul,
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  Speaker 1: twenty two years old. I want you to take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to his nine one one call kick it off,
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  Speaker 1: Jackie can thank you? Having Okay? Do you know the
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  Speaker 1: head of the blood on the concu breathed out of
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  Speaker 1: the love here. Okay, she's playing out of her ear,
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  Speaker 1: staying out of her head. Okay, all right. The other
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  Speaker 1: lady said that she had tried to stand up and
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  Speaker 1: sell down again she I would hold her up. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: She told me to losen to the sound of his room,
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  Speaker 1: but then she still backed over. Okay. Do you guys
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  Speaker 1: know who she is? Yes? She works for Okay. Do
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  Speaker 1: you know she's ever had a stroke or anything before? Man?
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  Speaker 1: Can you stop? That's really the way. I already have
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  Speaker 1: them on the way, and he asking questions does not
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  Speaker 1: puld them down in any way. These are relevant questions
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  Speaker 1: that I have to ask for the ambulance. One of
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  Speaker 1: my questions is has she ever had a stroke? I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe she's ever had a stroke? Robert on the Okay,
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  Speaker 1: she able to talk to you guys at all? Or
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  Speaker 1: she unconscious? Now he's not unconscious, She's just normally Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Beluici's maybe hit or head and maybe over posting or sometime.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know her name of Gloria Field? Now you're
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  Speaker 1: hearing young and troubled Paul Murdog speaking to nine one one.
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  Speaker 1: He's at home there in the mansion. His mom is
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  Speaker 1: there somewhere and he is calling nine one one. Miss
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  Speaker 1: Gloria Satterfield has fallen down the stairs. She dies from
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  Speaker 1: her injuries. With me an all star panel to figure
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  Speaker 1: out what, if anything, what bearing that may have on
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  Speaker 1: Alex Murdog's trial. I almost said murder trial. Let's not
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  Speaker 1: put the cart before the horse with me Choice Layton
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  Speaker 1: high profile a lawyer at FIST lawyer joining us out
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  Speaker 1: of LA he's been slating lawyers. Doctor Sherry Swards, forensics psychologist,
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  Speaker 1: joining us at panther Mitigation dot com and the author
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  Speaker 1: of Criminal Behavior. Boy, do we need a shrink with me,
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  Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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  Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon, and hosted a brand new he hit series, Bodybags,
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  Speaker 1: with Joseph Scott Morgan on iHeart. But first to Matt Harris.
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  Speaker 1: Matt is the Star morning show host of The Matt
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  Speaker 1: and Ramona Show one oh seven point nine, W l
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  Speaker 1: n K and Charlotte, and he's the host of the
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  Speaker 1: Murdoch Family Murders. Matt, this story gets more and more convoluted,
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  Speaker 1: and the murkier the water gets the more we try
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  Speaker 1: to peer into it. What can you tell me about
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  Speaker 1: the events surrounding the death of this housekeeper, Gloria Sadderfield. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the nine one call was released, as you heard, and
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  Speaker 1: Maggie Murdoch was there, who has been murdered since. And
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  Speaker 1: it was on the same property that Paul and Maggie
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  Speaker 1: were murdered about three years and three months after. Gloria
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  Speaker 1: Sadderfield tell they were death there and there was also
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  Speaker 1: in the nine one call you can hear him and say,
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  Speaker 1: there's gonna be a fella at the road to help
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  Speaker 1: the endlance find the house. And that's said to be
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  Speaker 1: a groundskeeper of some sort that was at the property
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  Speaker 1: that day. Man, they got a lot of servants, don't they.
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  Speaker 1: I judging, Yes, yes, yes, Centerfield fell to her death.
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  Speaker 1: But isn't it true, Matt Harris that someone on the
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  Speaker 1: boat on which Mallory Beach was thrown off the boat
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  Speaker 1: and died with Paul Murdog behind the wheel, drunk, drunk
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  Speaker 1: out of his mind. Everybody on the boat was begging
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  Speaker 1: him to slow down. He didn't. I went there, I
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  Speaker 1: saw where the boat hit and nineteen year old Mallory
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  Speaker 1: Beach goes flying through the air to her death or
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  Speaker 1: body floats bloating and the water for days on in
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  Speaker 1: before they find her. Isn't it true? Somebody that night
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  Speaker 1: on the boat said, and I quote Paul pushed his
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  Speaker 1: housemaid down the stairs and she died. Isn't that true? Well,
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  Speaker 1: Connor Cook said it. Who was on the boat. He
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  Speaker 1: said it in a deposition later on about why he
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  Speaker 1: was afraid that the accusations were going to be that
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  Speaker 1: Connor was driving the boat, and he said, well, that's
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  Speaker 1: the kind of thing that happens based in a nutshell.
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  Speaker 1: He says, these are things that happened with the Murdocks.
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  Speaker 1: Paul's pushed a person down the steps, a housekeeper or
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  Speaker 1: whatever and she died. Doesn't mention sadder Field, but he
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  Speaker 1: mentions that. And so that was the deposition he gave
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  Speaker 1: when he was saying that he believes there was a
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  Speaker 1: collusion of law enforcement to push the narrative that Connor
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  Speaker 1: was driving. And he says that's one of the reasons
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  Speaker 1: everybody's afraid of the murdochs Okay, hold on, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: decide for what you're saying, push the narrative. Are you
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  Speaker 1: trying to tell me Alex Murdog the dad in jail
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  Speaker 1: right now for dope and trying to have himself shot.
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  Speaker 1: Was pushing the narrative, in other words, making up a story.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying, somebody else drive the boat.
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  Speaker 1: Connor Cook's attorneys have pushed Port to forward a lawsuit,
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  Speaker 1: saying that they believe that law enforcement was trying to
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  Speaker 1: spin the story so Connor would be framed as the driver.
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  Speaker 1: They law enforcement or Alex Murdog, but they are choosing
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  Speaker 1: the top scowing of wildlife and other law enforce agencies
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  Speaker 1: as being in some sort of conspiracy to frame Connor
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  Speaker 1: Cook in cahouse in Cohos to Alex Murdog. Yeah, family, Alex, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. I got a theory, and
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  Speaker 1: everybody in this room and on this panel knows. I
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  Speaker 1: hate conspiracy theories, and I'll tell you why I hate them,
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  Speaker 1: Matt Harris. I hate them because it's virtually impossible for anything,
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  Speaker 1: anybody to keep their yap shut. So I don't really
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  Speaker 1: buy conspiracy theories because who's gonna not blurt it out?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, here's a great conspiracy theory that
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  Speaker 1: the cops framed O. J. Simpson, that they planted the blood.
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  Speaker 1: You think one of those cops wouldn't sell out for
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  Speaker 1: a million dollar book deal since then, Okay, so no
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  Speaker 1: way if there had been a conspiracy that one of
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  Speaker 1: them wouldn't have cracked and told somebody. That's my thing
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  Speaker 1: about conspiracy. So I'm not all about the cops are
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  Speaker 1: in collision with Alex Murdog to light. But they knew
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  Speaker 1: Murdog because his family long history of being the local
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  Speaker 1: prosecutors and having a civil firm, which it's got to
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  Speaker 1: be an ethical problem, but they knew him, so they
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  Speaker 1: probably liked him, and they probably trusted what he said.
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  Speaker 1: And sometimes people can be influenced on a story like
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  Speaker 1: who was driving the boatwood Mallory was killed because they
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  Speaker 1: trusted him. Now here's my theory, all right, just go
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  Speaker 1: with me on this. All of the financial wrongdoings of
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  Speaker 1: Alex Murdock where he's stealing money from clients. I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about how many millions did you say? Twenty million so far?
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  Speaker 1: A six point two million, but we think it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a lot high. That's where he's charged it so far,
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  Speaker 1: stealing from his clients, and they knew none the better.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't understand they were getting ripped off What tipped
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  Speaker 1: that off, I believe is it started coming out that
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  Speaker 1: the sadder Field boys Glorious children had never really gotten
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  Speaker 1: their payment from her death, and then the whole ballayarn
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  Speaker 1: started unraveling. Gloria Sadderfield died in Murdog's mansion and Paul
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  Speaker 1: and Maggie were at home, and Paul and Maggie end
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  Speaker 1: up shot dead just as the whole Glorious Sadderfield story
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  Speaker 1: was unraveling. What about that, Matt Harris, Well, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the timeline you have there is it is pretty correct.
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  Speaker 1: The charges against the conspiracy for the cops all getting
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  Speaker 1: together and sled and go wildlife, that's not gone forward
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  Speaker 1: yet that I just wanted to tell you where that
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  Speaker 1: deposition was. But yes, the the it was after the
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  Speaker 1: deaths of Paul and Maggie. Let's see, that was in June.
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  Speaker 1: It was about October then when it came out that
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  Speaker 1: Sadderfields hadn't received their money for late September, and that's
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  Speaker 1: when things really started to unravel. And we've heard about
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  Speaker 1: or more money now and the two million dollars a
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  Speaker 1: cousin Eddie. There was cashier's check's written to cousin Eddie
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  Speaker 1: Whitner was his singature with he callin'd the way you
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  Speaker 1: say cousin Eddie, But you're talking about the doper that
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  Speaker 1: supplied Alex Mornog with his dope. And also the person
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  Speaker 1: who says Marnock hired him to shot Murdoch. Alex Marnock
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  Speaker 1: in the hid that's cousin Eddie. Yeah, that is that
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  Speaker 1: is cousin Eddie's the distant cousin Curtis Edward Smith. And
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  Speaker 1: he says that he was never paid by Murdoch anything,
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  Speaker 1: that he didn't tell drugs to Murdoch. And then all
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  Speaker 1: this stuff came out about this two million dollars. Doesn't
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  Speaker 1: look like Eddie has living high in the log I
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  Speaker 1: can tell you that from appearances. So but I don't
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  Speaker 1: know where did all that money go up somebody's nose.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody knows. That's the crazy thing. Let's get back to
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  Speaker 1: Gloria Satterfield just one moment now at home was Paul
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  Speaker 1: the son. There was same one driving the boat. When
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  Speaker 1: Gloria Saddlefield died. They claimed she tripped over the dogs.
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  Speaker 1: That's the claim, okay. And also there in the house
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  Speaker 1: somewhere it was Maggie and Murdog now Maggie Murdoch, now dead,
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  Speaker 1: gets on the phone. Take a listen to our cut
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  Speaker 1: fifty five. This is Maggie Murdog, now dead, Alex Murdoch's wife,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm telling you everybody in that area. Matt Harris
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  Speaker 1: that I spoke with off the record, told me that
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  Speaker 1: Maggie was planning a divorce and she was trying to
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  Speaker 1: They were moving assets and everything was coming to ahead financially.
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  Speaker 1: She was finding out a lot of financial details wrong
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  Speaker 1: doing she didn't know about before. And then bam, she's dead.
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  Speaker 1: Now that's quite the coinkie dink, isn't it. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to our cut fifty five. This is Maggie Murdog,
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  Speaker 1: now dead, calling nine one one there. I'm sorry, what's
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  Speaker 1: going on there? My housekeeper has falled in her head
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  Speaker 1: is bleeding. I cannot get her up. Okay, she saw
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  Speaker 1: me leading from the head. Yeah, I will assume. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure. Like fifty eight. Maybe you know she fall
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  Speaker 1: from standing or not. No, that's where she's fall from from.
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  Speaker 1: She's feel going up the steps, but the brisk steps, okay,
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  Speaker 1: said she had better in time outside him? How many
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  Speaker 1: steps in there? Eight Okay, she on the ground, or
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  Speaker 1: she's on the ground. She's on the ground, she's on
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  Speaker 1: the ground, contest, But no, I'm not really is she
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  Speaker 1: awake at all? Yeah, okay, hold on right there, just
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  Speaker 1: a Scott Morgan, professor forensics and death investigator. You fall
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  Speaker 1: eight steps and die. You know, I've been sitting here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing a lot of reading right now, Nancy. After
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  Speaker 1: this woman was removed from the scene and taking the hospital,
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  Speaker 1: she was treated as if she had essentially had some
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  Speaker 1: type of cerebral accident, which means like a stroke. And
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  Speaker 1: you know how they actually ruled her death certificate, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: They ruled her death as a natural and that was
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  Speaker 1: signed by private physician at the hospital. This woman fell
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  Speaker 1: down eight brick steps. You understand what I'm saying. These
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  Speaker 1: have got sharp edges on them. She cracked her head.
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  Speaker 1: She's bleeding from the ear. He's this little petulant kid
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  Speaker 1: that's talking to the nine to eleven operator. He actually says,
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  Speaker 1: not only she bleeding from the ear, she's actually bleeding.
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  Speaker 1: She's got some kind of injury that has opened her
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  Speaker 1: scalp up, Nancy. And they're calling this a natural death.
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  Speaker 1: It defies a logic. As far as I'm concerned, the
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  Speaker 1: case has been reopened, by the way, by the currents
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  Speaker 1: Mat Yeah, go ahead, Matt. The case is. The case
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  Speaker 1: has been reopened after the money situation was with the
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  Speaker 1: discovered they had taken all the money from the or
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the money from the sadder Field airs
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  Speaker 1: that the corner there in I think Collatin County, I
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  Speaker 1: decided that requesting that flood reopened the case, and they
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  Speaker 1: have reopened the case. Nancy, if I can say one
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  Speaker 1: thing this, this person, Maggie came into the hospital as
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  Speaker 1: a result of some kind of traumatic injury. The hospital failed.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care if you've been in the hospital for
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  Speaker 1: six years, right, Glory, yes, ma'am, I am. And she
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  Speaker 1: came into that hospital as a result of a traumatic injury.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care if you've been in the hospital for
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  Speaker 1: six years in a coma at the time of death
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  Speaker 1: that is still reportable to the corner. The hospital failed
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  Speaker 1: or decided not to report this to the corner. The
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  Speaker 1: corner could have made the decision at that moment in
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  Speaker 1: time to actually have done an examination on Miss Sadderfield's body. Now,
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  Speaker 1: whether it be an internal or an external whatever, or
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  Speaker 1: just review records that did not happen. This was never reported,
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  Speaker 1: and you cannot rule this as a natural death. Now
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  Speaker 1: you're going to develop other problems as a result of
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  Speaker 1: a head injury. Yeah, you can have a stroke, but
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  Speaker 1: it's traumatically related as a result of this initial event.
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  Speaker 1: And this is what I want to know. I want
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  Speaker 1: to know. I want to know what kind of involvement
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  Speaker 1: that Murdoch had with the hospital. I want to know
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  Speaker 1: what kind of involvement they had, because you are conjuring
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  Speaker 1: up in my mind another creepy image at a hospital,
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  Speaker 1: Troy Slayton joining me, high profile defense while you're out
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  Speaker 1: of la take off your defense hat just for a moment, Troy.
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  Speaker 1: You and I have seen a lot in court. But
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  Speaker 1: remember in this case when Mallory Beach was thrown off.
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  Speaker 1: That boat is Murdoch's boat. Son, Paul snorting drunk, was driving,
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  Speaker 1: He hit some pilings, the boat careened off into a
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  Speaker 1: big rocky structure and she went flying out dead. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: wait for it. That night, Alex Murlock, the father, goes
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  Speaker 1: to the hospital it could be the very same hospital,
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  Speaker 1: and starts going room to room, Troy telling witnesses of
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  Speaker 1: the boat crash. I'll represent you don't talk to the cops.
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  Speaker 1: He told them one by one, to the point Troy
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  Speaker 1: that the nurses said, you gotta leave, sir, You're we're
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  Speaker 1: trying to perform medicine. Here go, because he was summoning up,
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  Speaker 1: as Matt Harris said, defining the narrative, coming up with
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  Speaker 1: a story telling people not to speak to police. And
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  Speaker 1: now we've got Gloria Satterfield rushed to the hospital and
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  Speaker 1: the Murdoch's are there roaming the halls like vampires trying
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  Speaker 1: to get into Ramstroy. Well, that's why so many lawyers
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  Speaker 1: have such a bad rap nancy and are labeled ambulance chasers.
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  Speaker 1: This is the very reason why there are state bar
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  Speaker 1: ethical rules against lawyers soliciting. You're not allowed to do
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  Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But all of that aside. He
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  Speaker 1: has a particular interest in the case because his own
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  Speaker 1: son is involved and there's an alleged statement about his
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  Speaker 1: son and what happened with the housekeeper. Good luck getting
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  Speaker 1: that in over hearsay objections. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: There's a real hearsay problem getting that in. And Joe
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  Speaker 1: Scott another thing I noticed, actually let me throw this
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  Speaker 1: to doctor Sherry Schwartz, psychologists joining us and author. You
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  Speaker 1: hear Paul Mardogue, the son now dad, shot dad along
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  Speaker 1: with his mother outside their hunting lodge out in the country.
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear him saying, why are you asking all
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  Speaker 1: me all these questions? I did hear that with the
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  Speaker 1: nine one one person yes and the other. What I
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  Speaker 1: didn't hear was a whole lot of emotion from either
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  Speaker 1: of those nine one one callers, Paul or his mother.
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  Speaker 1: This is a woman who worked for them for something
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  Speaker 1: like twenty years. She considered herself to be a part
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  Speaker 1: of their family. And this is the level the lack
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  Speaker 1: of emotion that they have there. And Paul was pretty young.
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  Speaker 1: He was remarkably composed, you know, for seeing somebody that
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  Speaker 1: you've known for two decades for him, that would have
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  Speaker 1: been most of his life, right, And she's bleeding and injured,
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  Speaker 1: and he's unmoved and annoyed, almost like it's an inconvenience
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  Speaker 1: time stories with Nancy Grace of a Sherish Wars, you've
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  Speaker 1: really pointed out something very very valuable, very valuable. Indeed,
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  Speaker 1: Now Troy Slayton, veteran defense lawyer, will say, well, that
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  Speaker 1: means nothing. People all there's no playbook for shock or
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  Speaker 1: grief as Yeah, I read question he had. He was
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  Speaker 1: telling the nine one one operator stop asking all these questions.
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  Speaker 1: Get the ambulance here. He thought, that's really what I said. Well,
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  Speaker 1: being unsophisticated, he doesn't know that immediately upon the call
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  Speaker 1: that ambulance and police fire are probably all on the
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  Speaker 1: way to the location. He'd be just example more alarm
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  Speaker 1: and empathy as a guest to join me three thousand
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  Speaker 1: miles away. Then Paul Murdoch did on his NIME one call,
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  Speaker 1: and to prove the point, let's play it again. Cut
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  Speaker 1: fifty seven Slayton, you ought to go into acting. Listen
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  Speaker 1: to this. Can you have to saving? Then you can't call? Okay?
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Do you know the head the blood on the concert?
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: He breathe out of their left here. I can't keep
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: blinging out of her here and out of her head? Cool? Okay,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: all right. The other lady for the kid tried to
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: stand up this all down again. She I would hold
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: her up, okay, she told me to losing to the
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: sound of news, but then she fell back over. Okay,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: do you guys know who she is? Yes? She worked
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: for Okay, do you know she's ever had a stroke
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: or anything before? Man, can you step? I don't have
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: them on the way. She has worked for them for
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: two decades in their home, taking care of them. He goes, yeah,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: now she works for us. I don't like that one bit.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: That attitude, Matt Harris. Well, you know I that we
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: know that he has been talked about as having some
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: sort of attitude throughout his life and through the teenage
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: talk like that. Harris, What do you mean some sort
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: of attitude? Well, I think these horses rear in. That's
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: what he is. Yeah, well, that's that's been said. I
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: think also they it's possible they didn't know the severity
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: of the injuries she fell down. Who would think that
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: when someone falls down the steps are going to die?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Well that for you to call nine one one. I
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: don't call nine one one when John, David or Lucy
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: fall down and I think they're going to get back up. Yes,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: good trying, Matt, good trying. And another thing, did you
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: hear listen to this Matt Harris. Matt Harris is joining
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: me from w l n K and he's the host
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: of them like family murders. Matt did you hear him stay?
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I try to help her stand, and she told me
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: to let her go. She did not want him touching her.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: She did not want his assistance. What about that, Dodger
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Sherry shorts. That's like, I get away from me, don't
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: touch me. What about that? That sounds like there could
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: have been some sort of struggle, that he was trying
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: to help her find her way into a fall down
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: those stairs. Right, But that certainly could be interpreted that
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: way if there's truth in what he's saying, that she's
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: saying don't touch me, right, that she's trying to get away,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't want him near her. I mean, maybe I'm projecting
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, but I'm forever asking the twins pull
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: me up, help me do this, help me do that?
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Or David when they hold out an arm to me,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I don't say, don't touch me, get away from me. No,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: that doesn't strike you as odd? Now, it definitely strikes
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: me as odd, Nancy, that you know she's trying to
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: put if if we can believe, like doctor Sherry said,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: what is being said here relative to him attempting or
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: her maybe in some weird way to put distance between
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: herself and him. You know, she might see him as
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: a threat. But Nancy, I gotta tell you there's you know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't aware of this. This is
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: a coroner state South Carolina is there is a coroner's
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: law in place. And my suggestion here, because these are
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: very bizarre cases and very bizarre times, this corner needs
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: to impanel a coroner's jury in this case. And it
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: works a lot like a grand jury in that you
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: don't have the right to cancel there. You can the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: coroner can impanel a jury and they can summon by
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: law individuals to come in and testify. I would get
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: everybody in that hospital that had some kind of contact
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: with the Sadderfield's death, and the panel them and ask
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: them direct questions, and all of that evidence can be
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: turned over to the execution at that point in time,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: because right now this is a corner's case that needs
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: specific answers. You know, this whole thing, this whole mertile
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: matter could actually turn on this particular case. This is
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: essential information that needs to be sought out. I'm feeling
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: the same thing, and you know what, Joe Scott and
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: everybody on the panel, I think I hear Matt jumping in.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: There's a time and every investigation that I've ever had,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: every trial I've ever tried, every jury I ever struck
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: where I feel something something it's a turning point. And
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: there's something about Gloria Satterfield's death. There's such a significance
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: to that that we're overlooking. There's something about it that
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: we're not getting Matt. One thing I would have point
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: out is that I've commented on before, was the ninety
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: one call. Okay, the story goes that the dogs he
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: tripped over the dogs. I don't hear any dogs barking
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: or anything like that, or them saying, hey, you know, Fido,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: whatever you got it. I don't hear any dogs, And
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I find that kind of odd. And when the nine
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: one one lady asked what happened, they don't mention anything
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: about the dog. No, they don't mention dogs. She says,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: how does she fall? And Maggie Murdoch says, she fell
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: going up the steps of the brick steps. That's what
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: she said. Time stories with Nancy Grace. You know the
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: other day our doctor wasn't there when we went in
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: for the appointment, and so where's Eva? And they said,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: she fell over the dog. Dog. I mean it just
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: that's the first thing you say, she fell out with
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: the dog. The dog tripped, And I find that interesting
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: that that fact. It's not they're speaking of Madgie, Maggie Murrag.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Let's listen to more her nine on one call. Man.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: She's not she's not fun. Okay, I just I've already
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: got them on the way, and you asking questions does
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: not show them down, man, you know, and if she's
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: conscious is one of the things that the medics to know.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: She's all to you. No, she's not responsive at all. Well,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I mean she's mumbling, okay, so she is come unconscious? Um?
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Is she breathing? Okay? Yeah? Is she believing from anywhere? Yeah?
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Her head? Are you guys able to control the blieving? No?
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Can you put the daggering thing on it? Yeah? I
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: got it, okay, leaving from like her face, the back
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: of the head, for we're exactly she believing from I'm
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: not sure the top of her head? Okay? Interesting, very interesting. Indeed,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: you know, Matt Harris. Right now, Alex Murdog is cooling
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: his jets behind bars, and we're uncovering more and more
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: money that he has allegedly siphoned away from his clients.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Can you tell me about that? Oh yeah, he's some
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: around six million dollars in the point two I guess,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: and he was given sort of given bonds yesterday. But
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: he's not going to do very well as getting out.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think the judge gave me seven million dollar bond,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: which has to be paid in full. Can't do the
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: old ten percent thing. So I can't imagine he's come
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: up with seven million dollars now. It might be some
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: sort of appeal going on or something. It's probably either're
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: saying the highest bond ever set in the state of
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: South Carolina, especially for someone who's not facing at this
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: point any charges that are buy and any violent offences
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: at all. It's all taking money, insurance fraud and wire
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: fraud and these sorts of things. He made a big
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: apology yesterday in court that he was sorry, he made
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: some bad decisions all that, yes right, apologized for the
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: sadder Field family and promised to pay back the Sadderfield
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: family the three million that he took from them. But
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I just where is all this money where? Yeah? You
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: know what I'm playing around, You're right, take a listen
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: to Erica thirty five. This is Murdog's lawyer speaking these
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: reports that your clients stole millions of dollars from from
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the law firm. Did he use all of that money
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: to buy drugs or did he use some of the
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: millions for other things? The vast majority of it, as
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I understand it was, he used to buy drugs a lot.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of hoxy. Well, well what O case?
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: So let me it is I mean. But in his
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: interview that we made him available for on Monday, which
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: lad on the phone from the detox center, he explained
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: he wrote checks for most of this this is not
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, and gave them the bank account, totally cooperated
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: and told them how to find out how much he spent.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: That's Murdoics lawyer talking to NBC. Now take a listen
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: to our friend and cut thirty six Amy Robot at ABC.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Listen this morning. Another twist in that South Carolina unsolved
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: double murder mystery. ELK Murdoch, whose wife Maggie and son
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Paul were brutally murdered back in June, is now accused
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: of hanchoing a scheme to funnel millions of dollars that
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: were supposed to be paid to the sons of his
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: former housekeeper in a wrongful death lawsuit after she reportedly
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: tripped over his dogs, hit her head and passed away.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: They were never told of the settlements. They were never
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: told of the court hearings. They were never told of
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: the disbursements. According to court documents, Murdoch allegedly worked with
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: two of his friends, an attorney and a banker, to
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: pocket money from the four point three million dollars settlement,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: which should have gone to the family of his former housekeeper,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Gloria Satterfield. The attorney for the housekeeper's family says, they've
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: seen a fraction of what they're owed. They want to
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: know what happened to the money. They have to answer
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: for what they did. It is a tremendous stain on
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the justice system in our state. I'm confident that the
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: end of this truth will always come out. Well, we
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: can only hope that truth comes out, and anybody on
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: the panel jump in. I'm going to go to Matt
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Harris right now, host of the Murdoch Family Murders podcast
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: The Only Ones Home. When Sadderfield fell to her death,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: where Maggie and Paul Alex murdog stole the insurance settlement
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: millions of dollars. And that's the tip of the iceberg
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: of what he stole from clients, millions and millions and
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: millions of dollars under the guise of being their lawyer.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Maggie and Paul are the only ones that really knew
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: what happened. And then just as we think Maggie may
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: have been filling for a divorce, she ends up dead.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Could it be because they knew too much? Well? Yeah,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I mean when we also know that Maggie endorsed at
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: least one check where her signature maybe affix signature, was
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: on one of the checks that Alec had written that
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: he was taking allegedly stealing from people to cashier's check.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I don't get it, you know, doctor Sherry Schwartz. I'm
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: sure this isn't in your DSM diagnostic manual. But the
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: love of money, not money, but the love of money
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: the root of all evil. How many times have we
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: heard a doctor Sherry. Yes. And the thing that's often
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: equated with the love of money is because it brings power. Now,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: it seems that this family wielded a lot of political power,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: maybe because of the money maybe you know, in spite
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: of the money, but this seems to be what's tied this,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: this thread that weaves through the entire fabric of this
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: long history of this family. Right, money, power, drugs to see.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm still struck by the nine one one
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: calls Nancy really the lack of emotion, Maggie Murdoch saying that, oh, yeah,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: she's breathing, but I don't know where in her head
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: she's breathing from. I mean, this is someone you've known
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: for two decades, that's been inside of your house, among
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: your personal belongings, and you're not rushing to render aid.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: You can't work up just a little emotion. That's really
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: troubling to me, Nancy. Joe is really really bothering me
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: is that if the housekeeper has a wrongful death lawsuit,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: that must be against the property owner, the homeowner's insurance.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: And so you're telling me that Alex Murdoch, the homeowner
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: is is representing his housekeeper in the wrongful death actions
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: his own insurance policy. That's right. He approached the Satterfield
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: family and offered, offered to represent them, said I'll take
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: care of you. His words, not mine. Yeah, what a
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: huge conflict of interest in he pocketed the money. That's
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: just the tip of the iceberg, Troy. And one of
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: these days, when we've got about another hour, Troice Slaton
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: can tell you all the ethical duties that are connected
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: to handling these type of money matters, but this all
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: boils it down to a nutshell. Take a listen to
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: our cut forty one. In an interview with WHNS, Jim Griffin,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: one of Murdoch's lawyers, says, for the first time, law
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: enforcement always considered Murdoch a person of interest in his
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: family's murders, even though he is yet to be charged
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: in that case. Murdoch, I guess we've said all along.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: By the way, that was our friend. Amy Robock at
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: ABC is a person of interest in the murders of
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: his wife Maggie and son Paul. We wait as justice
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: unfolds Nancy Grace crime story, signing off goodbye friend,