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Sharri | 23 April · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News Business is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening Tonight.
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Speaker 3: Nationals leader Matt Canavan is urging Anthony Albanezi to stop
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Speaker 3: trashing Donald Trump and instead support the United States in
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Speaker 3: the war against Iran.
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Speaker 1: I'm worried here that the current labor government is too
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Speaker 1: interested in plying the local domestic politics here of bashing
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump.
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Speaker 3: He also fires up about the need for a new
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Speaker 3: oil refinery that interview in justin Moment well with Anzac
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Speaker 3: DAGs days away. How has the Ben Robert smith saga
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Speaker 3: impacted our veterans? Former Labor Defense Minister Joel Fitzgiven will
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Speaker 3: be live shortly and Labor finally admits the NDIS is unsustainable,
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Speaker 3: So why did it spend years slamming the very reforms
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Speaker 3: it now once Adam Crichton and Holly Hughes will discuss.
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Speaker 3: But First President Donald Trump is having a tough time
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Speaker 3: trying to negotiate with the insane hardline extremists in Iran.
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Speaker 3: Yet he's also having to deal with far from friendly
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Speaker 3: allies like Australia.
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albanezi joined his Foreign Minister Penny Wong today in
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Speaker 3: adding to the pressure on Trump.
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Speaker 4: He is what he said, we support very much the
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Speaker 4: decoration that Iran couldn't be allowed to get a nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 4: What we have called for is for de escalation. We've
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Speaker 4: been critical and have called out some of the statements
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Speaker 4: that have been made. It's not appropriate or acceptable to
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Speaker 4: say that you're going to destroy a civilization, and so
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Speaker 4: we've done that. We are allies with the United States,
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Speaker 4: but that doesn't mean that we're automatically participants in any conflict,
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Speaker 4: and we haven't been.
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Speaker 3: Albanize should know that these threats of Trump's to destroy
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Speaker 3: a civilization are to get run to come to the
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Speaker 3: table to actually not out.
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Speaker 2: A peace deal.
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Speaker 3: These are negotiating tactics to get a nuclear deal that
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Speaker 3: would benefit the entire free world. And Albanese is just
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Speaker 3: adding to the criticisms coming out of his own government,
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Speaker 3: criticisms that have been led by Pennywong.
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Speaker 5: President Trump does envision a very different role for America
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Speaker 5: in the world.
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Speaker 1: We are seeing that.
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Speaker 5: We know that he prizes unpredictability. The United States under
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Speaker 5: President Trump will be a very different America. We know
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Speaker 5: that how President Trump envisages the role of America in
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Speaker 5: the world differs very greatly from many past administrations, and
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Speaker 5: we've certainly seen n predict stability. This war has gone
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Speaker 5: on a long time. Ultimately, the only people who know
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Speaker 5: when it will end is the US, Iran and Israel.
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Speaker 5: That this war is having consequences for Australians across our country.
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Speaker 3: She ignores the fact that the US has been trying
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Speaker 3: to get Iran to agree to give up its nuclear weapons.
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Speaker 3: Nationalist leader Matt Canavan is highly critical of the fact
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Speaker 3: that the Albanese government isn't backing the United States against
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Speaker 3: our common enemy in Iran. And here's a little bit
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Speaker 3: of what he tells me on the show tonight.
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Speaker 1: Well, we've all just got to get on the same team,
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Speaker 1: get on the same side. We really need to realize
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Speaker 1: what's at stake here, and when you're in such a situation,
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Speaker 1: you need to defend your friends. We want our friends
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Speaker 1: to win. The United States is clearly our friend.
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Speaker 3: That full interview coming up in a moment. He also
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Speaker 3: talks about fuel security and what we need to be
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Speaker 3: doing now. But there's been a lot of action in
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Speaker 3: the Iranian waters over the last twenty four hours. In
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Speaker 3: dramatic scenes, Iran has opened fire on three commercial ships
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Speaker 3: in the Strait of hor Moos. One of the ships
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Speaker 3: is the Panama flagged cargo ship Euphoria. The other two
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Speaker 3: are owned by the shipping giant MSc. Iranian state media
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Speaker 3: also published footage that it claims is of Iranian troops boarding.
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Speaker 2: A ship in the Strait of hor Moos. And as
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Speaker 2: you can see, I mean, it's.
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Speaker 3: Quite terrifying footage of soldiers in white masks climbing on
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Speaker 3: board one of the MSc ships. White House Press Secretary
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Speaker 3: Caroline Levitt claims that Iran doing this isn't breaching the ceasefire.
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Speaker 6: Here she was these were not US ships, these were
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Speaker 6: not Israeli ships. These were two international vessels. And for
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Speaker 6: the American media, who is sort of blowing this out
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Speaker 6: of proportion to discredit the president's facts that he has
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Speaker 6: completely obliterated Iran's conventional navy. These two ships were taken
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Speaker 6: by speedy gunboats. Iran has gone from having the most
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Speaker 6: lethal navy in the Middle East to now acting like
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Speaker 6: a bunch of pirates. They don't have control over the street.
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Speaker 6: This is piracy that we are seeing on display.
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Speaker 3: The Pentagon has warned during a classified briefing that clearing
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Speaker 3: the mines from the Strait of Hormus could take six months,
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Speaker 3: which sounds excessive and would be highly alarming if true. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 3: the United States is continuing to seize Iranian ships in
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Speaker 3: our region in the Indo Pacific. The Times of Israel
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Speaker 3: reports that shipping in security sources said that the US
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Speaker 3: military has intercepted at least three Iranian flag tankers in
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Speaker 3: Asian waters and is redirecting them.
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Speaker 2: Away from India.
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Speaker 3: One of the vessels was the Iranian flagged deep Sea Supertanker,
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Speaker 3: which was part loaded with crude and last scene on
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Speaker 3: its public tracking transponder off Malaysia's coast a week ago.
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Speaker 2: But this is all.
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Speaker 3: About squeezing around even in the Indo Pacific and pushing
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Speaker 3: it to surrender and agree to a deal. Critical to
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Speaker 3: the deal is the pledge to give up its nuclear ambitions.
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Speaker 3: It would also need to agree to no longer funding
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Speaker 3: terror proxies like Hamas and Hezbla, and of course commit
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Speaker 3: to opening up the Strait.
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Speaker 2: Now these talks could happen.
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Speaker 3: This Friday, although there's still a great deal of uncertainty
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Speaker 3: around it.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: All week we've been talking about the split in the
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Speaker 3: Iranian leadership between the more moderates who can be negotiated
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Speaker 3: with like Gullabuf and Narragachi, and the hard line IIGC
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Speaker 3: military figures who refuse to even.
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Speaker 2: Sit down for talks.
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Speaker 3: Well, Carolyn Levitt spoke about this today and acknowledged the
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Speaker 3: internal division.
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Speaker 6: There's obviously a lot of internal division. This is a
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Speaker 6: battle between the pragmatists and the hardliners and Iran right now.
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Speaker 6: And the President wants a unified response, and so as
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Speaker 6: we await that response, there's a ceasefire with the military
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Speaker 6: and kinetic strikes, but operation economic fury continues.
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Speaker 3: If Iran doesn't get its act together and come to
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Speaker 3: the table for negotiation. Trump has kept open the option
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Speaker 3: of resuming military action. The wall's now gone on for
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Speaker 3: about eight weeks, and Trump initially thought it would last
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Speaker 3: four to six, but despite being all but decimated militarily,
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Speaker 3: Iran still won't come to the table. The Australian's Foreign
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Speaker 3: editor Greg Sheridan writes that this stage of negotiations has
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Speaker 3: so far favored Iran, which has a ceasefire that includes
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Speaker 3: Israel stopping its assault on Lebanon, well on Hesbala.
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Speaker 2: More accurately, he asks.
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Speaker 3: Sheridan does whether This is the ultimate Taco, which, as
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Speaker 3: you probably know, stands for Trump always chickens out. Sheridan writes,
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump chickened out from enforcing his UMPTIN deadline for
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Speaker 3: Iran to comply with his wishes by reopening the Straight
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Speaker 3: of Hormus and surrendering it sixty percent enriched uranium stockpile.
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Speaker 2: Or is the US president.
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Speaker 3: Preparing one last massive military escalation. If Trump does resume fighting,
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Speaker 3: if Iran won't sit down to talks, and if he
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Speaker 3: does target energy infrastructure, maybe bridges, he can say he
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Speaker 3: gave the peace talks a good shot. He can say,
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Speaker 3: with all honesty, he warned Iran over and over again. Frankly,
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Speaker 3: if Iran refuses to open up the Strait of Homus,
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Speaker 3: then the president has no option but to unleash war.
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Speaker 3: Let's turn now to the sexual misconduct allegations that are
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Speaker 3: humiliating Greta Thunberg's Gaza flotilla. The New York Post reported
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Speaker 3: this exclusive story earlier this week that one of its
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Speaker 3: woke leaders was accused of sexual misconduct with at least
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Speaker 3: three volunteers.
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Speaker 2: This is the flotilla set sail from.
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Speaker 3: Barcelona for another anti Israel voyage to Gaza. Now, the
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Speaker 3: senior leader named was theago A Villa, and he's responded
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Speaker 3: to the allegations by strongly denying them. He told the
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Speaker 3: New York Post that these allegations are obviously not true.
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Speaker 3: The Ethics Committee talked to all three people mentioned and
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Speaker 3: they confirmed that this is just a smear campaign, that
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Speaker 3: we are comrades and nothing ever happened. Well, we did
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Speaker 3: an expose on senior figures on Greta's flotilla, including that
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Speaker 3: organizer Thiago, in September last year. Now, Thiago is not
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Speaker 3: simply a Palestinian advocate, but a supporter of terrorists. He
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Speaker 3: attended Hesbalalida Hassanzuela's funeral and celebrated the terror leader.
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Speaker 7: I think about the operation of the entire world. When
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Speaker 7: you study the history of revolutions and anti colonial struggle
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Speaker 7: and anti imperially struggle, we see some figures, some people
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Speaker 7: that they come out, that they shine, and sat Hasan
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Speaker 7: Asraela was one of these people.
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Speaker 3: Now, Israela was responsible for the murder of thousands, including American,
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Speaker 3: French and Saudi citizens. Yet the Argo spoke about how
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Speaker 3: honored he was to be at his funeral.
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Speaker 7: So I'm actually very honored to be here. I hope
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Speaker 7: I can convey the message as best as I can.
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Speaker 3: The Ago has also spoken in support of the IGC,
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Speaker 3: standing on a podium offering condolences to the deceased President
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Speaker 3: Ibrahim Raisi, and he's not ashamed about this. He posted
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Speaker 3: it on his own social media account.
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Speaker 8: First of all to cons to the Iranian people and the.
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Speaker 3: And here he is chanting death to America, death to Israel,
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Speaker 3: and victory for Islam. So this is the figure, the
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Speaker 3: anti America terrorist supporting figure at the center of the
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Speaker 3: latest controversy involving the Gaza Flotilla. The New York Post
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Speaker 3: reports that the flotilla aims to raise four point eight
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Speaker 3: seven million dollars for its current trip, but it also
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Speaker 3: quoted Palestinians in Aza saying that the money would have
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Speaker 3: been better donated rather than throwing it into the sea.
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Speaker 2: Without any benefit.
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Speaker 3: Now you may recall that when Israel bordered their flotilla
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Speaker 3: last year, they claimed and Israel claimed there was little
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Speaker 3: to no aid on board. It was all a self
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Speaker 3: indulgent pr exercise. Now, the nine newspapers have published a
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Speaker 3: story tonight trying to justify the AFP swooping on Ben
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Speaker 3: Robert Smith at the airport by indicating.
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Speaker 2: He was about to fly over Seas.
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Speaker 3: The headline and The nine newspaper says Ben Robert Smith
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Speaker 3: had vacated his rental and booked in international flight, then
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Speaker 3: the police arrived. They've published information from court documents released
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Speaker 3: today outlining the prosecution's arguments against Robert Smith being granted bail.
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Speaker 3: This is spin from the AFP, which is under immense
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Speaker 3: public pressure over its public arrest of Ben Robert Smith
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Speaker 3: in a spectacle in front of his children. AFP Commissioner
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Speaker 3: Chrissy Barrett is under fire over the decision and has
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Speaker 3: refused to comment on it. But the implications suggested in
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Speaker 3: the nine article just aren't right. Ben Robert Smith had
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Speaker 3: volunteered to hand himself in twice in the last six months.
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Speaker 3: He was transparent about his travel plans and was under
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Speaker 3: no obligation to officially notify anyone of his trips. He'd
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Speaker 3: taken twenty five international.
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Speaker 2: Trips for work over the.
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Speaker 3: Past eighteen months, and as the court accepted, he was
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Speaker 3: not a flight risk. This article on news dot com
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Speaker 3: dot Au also published this evening, states that he was
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Speaker 3: due to fly to Spain for business. Four days before
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Speaker 3: he was arrested. He said that his family had put
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Speaker 3: up four hundred thousand dollars for the full court of
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Speaker 3: the fee court appeal, and that he had no assets
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Speaker 3: and that his savings had been significantly depleted. His partner,
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Speaker 3: Sarah Matchelan, told news dot Com to you that they
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Speaker 3: frequently traveled overseas and I quote now, but we have
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Speaker 3: never planned to run away from this and have always
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Speaker 3: intended to face the criminal charges. We have never discussed
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Speaker 3: not going home. If the prosecution's argument reported in the
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Speaker 3: nine Papers, if their implications were true that he was
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Speaker 3: a flight risk, then the court would never have granted
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Speaker 3: him bail. Now, this entire debacle is overshadowing Anzac Day
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Speaker 3: this year, this Saturday, Australians will be commemorating the brave
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Speaker 3: men and women who've sacrificed their lives serving this nation.
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Speaker 3: In no doubt this Ben Robert Smith saga, it is
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Speaker 3: having an impact a serious impact on the veteran community.
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Speaker 3: And someone who would better than most is former Labor
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Speaker 3: Defense Minister Joel Fitzgibbon. And he joins me now, Joel,
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Speaker 3: thank you so much for being here, and I want
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Speaker 3: to start by saying that ane Zac Day is particularly
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Speaker 3: difficult for you personally, with the loss of your son
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Speaker 3: Jack just two years ago in March twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 9: Thanks for having me, Chari. Anzac Day has always held
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Speaker 9: a special meaning for me. My father encouraged me to
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Speaker 9: attend dawn services from a young age. I've been very
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Speaker 9: fortunate to deliver dawn service addresses an Enzac Cove in
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Speaker 9: Tarncott in Afghanistan, and of course last year a place
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Speaker 9: you'll know well, North Bonda RSL, where there was an
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Speaker 9: amazing gathering of people and of course where my son
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Speaker 9: hangs on the wall along side he's fellow and comrades.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really difficult day for so many families,
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Speaker 3: and of course Joe will be thinking about you on Saturday.
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Speaker 3: I'm keen to ask you about the Ben Robert Smith saga.
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Speaker 3: As you know, there's a campaign to have the Victoria
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Speaker 3: Cross stripped from Ben Robert Smith. Now King George the
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Speaker 3: Fifth famously said that even a man facing the gallows
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Speaker 3: for murder should be able to keep and actually he
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Speaker 3: said to be able to wear his Victoria Cross medal.
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Speaker 9: What do you think, Well, I'm a Republican Shari that
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Speaker 9: I'm with the King and bed no matter what occurs
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Speaker 9: in the courts, should retain that medal. And you know,
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Speaker 9: I think it's fair to say that only people like
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Speaker 9: me who had the privilege to fully understand what it
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Speaker 9: means to serve and what they do for their country,
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Speaker 9: our people in uniform, only we can fully appreciate the
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Speaker 9: valor he displayed on the battlefield, something that you can't
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Speaker 9: change by taking a medal away, and something you shouldn't
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Speaker 9: try to change by taking a medal away.
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Speaker 2: Joel, you brought this to my attention.
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Speaker 3: Sixty minutes used actors to reenact Ben Roberts Smith allegedly,
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Speaker 3: he denies it, allegedly pushing someone off a cliff have
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Speaker 3: a look.
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Speaker 9: Pointed to the Afghani and said to person four shoot him.
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Speaker 10: He allegedly even kicked one handcuffed man off a cliff.
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Speaker 9: The individual was catapulted backwards and fell down the slope
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Speaker 9: before ordering his execution.
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Speaker 3: And Joel, this isn't a movie, this is someone's life.
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Speaker 3: Is this reenactment appropriate seeing as these are still allegations?
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Speaker 9: Now, of course it's not shari. In fact, it's to
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Speaker 9: discretion you made the point that tonight the Nine papers
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Speaker 9: are trying to justify their pursit of Ben, Robert Smith
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Speaker 9: and others playing catch up by putting some weight on
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Speaker 9: these court documents that show that Ben was planning to
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Speaker 9: travel overseas. To that, I say, so what I mean,
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Speaker 9: He's traveled overseas plenty of times. He's one of the
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Speaker 9: most high profile people in the world at the moment,
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Speaker 9: and of course we do have extradition arrangements with all
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Speaker 9: of these countries, so there wouldn't be much point to
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Speaker 9: Ben fleeing in in any case. But it's been catch
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Speaker 9: up since day one, and of course that Nine's years
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Speaker 9: of actors to dramatize the accusations could be it must
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Speaker 9: be more prejudicial to anything I could say or anyone
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Speaker 9: else in our community could possibly say. And it's unacceptable.
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Speaker 9: And you know, I think it's fair to say that
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Speaker 9: many people watching sixty minutes that night would have assumed
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Speaker 9: that that was actual footage of what the allegations were
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Speaker 9: all about. Now that's terribly prejudicial to Ben's case and
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Speaker 9: it's highly irresponsible.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that some sections of the media, like
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Speaker 3: those you've named, forget that all individuals are entitled to
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Speaker 3: a presumption of innocence.
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Speaker 9: They seem to Shari. And of course if Ben had
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Speaker 9: not been he is innocent until proven guilty, a key
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Speaker 9: tenant of our law. But of course, if he'd been
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Speaker 9: denied bail, he could have potentially spent five years in
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Speaker 9: jail waiting full trial. Now justice delayed is justice denied.
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Speaker 9: And I just still can't believe they're trying to justify
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Speaker 9: their push to have him denied bail.
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Speaker 3: We've been reporting this every night on the show, that
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Speaker 3: four former SAS soldiers have been g an immunity from
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Speaker 3: murder in return for testifying against Ben Robert Smith. Do
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Speaker 3: you think there are questions to answer about how some
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Speaker 3: people are offered immunity but others are prosecuted.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think what it demonstrates, Shari is there after
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Speaker 9: one person and one person only, and that that person,
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Speaker 9: of course is Australia's current most highly decorated soldier. They're
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Speaker 9: after the tour Poppy and why are they after the
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Speaker 9: tour Poppy? Well, I think it's a response to journalistic activism.
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Speaker 9: Fairfax newspapers at the time have been gunning for Ben
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Speaker 9: Robert Smith for a decade or more. They've somehow pressured
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Speaker 9: governments to set up the Office of the Especially Investigator.
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Speaker 9: So you ask, you have to ask yourself, Shari, what
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Speaker 9: is this all about. Of course, people have to be
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Speaker 9: held to account for their actions and face the law,
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Speaker 9: our legal processes, and we need to maintain an international
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Speaker 9: standard demonstrating to other countries that we do maintain those standards.
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Speaker 9: That's the question here, and I think the answer is
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Speaker 9: it goes back to people responding to the pressure of
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Speaker 9: journalistic activism.
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Speaker 2: Someone's made a really good point to.
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Speaker 9: Me of the way he was arrested, the way he
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Speaker 9: was arrested. Indeed, ba's the case that this was that
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Speaker 9: people sought to sensationalize this, to take the wind to
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Speaker 9: score the big fish.
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Speaker 11: I mean, you're critical about.
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Speaker 3: The AFP Commissioner Chrissy Barrett, though, isn't it ultimately she
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Speaker 3: made that decision, and to do it in New South
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Speaker 3: Wales rather than in Queensland.
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Speaker 2: Some have speculated to me.
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Speaker 3: That that could be because there's the perception that the
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Speaker 3: jury would be more friendly in Queensland than in New
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Speaker 3: South Wales.
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Speaker 9: And the people who I've heard speculator upon that question, Sharry,
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Speaker 9: aren't people working in my local coal mines. They are
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Speaker 9: people with a long history in the criminal war.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and I've put questions to the AFP, but
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Speaker 3: they won't issue a statement justifying their actions why they
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Speaker 3: did that. Joel Fitzgibbon, thank you so much and again
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Speaker 3: thinking of you this Saturday. Thank you for being here.
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Speaker 1: Thanks thank.
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Speaker 3: Nationals leader Matt Canavan is tonight urging the Albanezy government
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Speaker 3: to stop attacking the President of the United States and
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Speaker 3: instead be more supportive of the war against our common
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Speaker 3: enemy in Iran. Here's our interview from a little earlier.
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Speaker 3: Matt Canavan, great to see you as always. The alban
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Speaker 3: Ezy government has denied speaking to energy producers about the
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Speaker 3: possibility of opening a new oil refinery.
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Speaker 2: But should it be doing this? Is this a good move?
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Speaker 1: Look? I welcome it. I'd love to see more refining
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Speaker 1: in australia'd love to see more production of oil and
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Speaker 1: gas as well. That's important. But we won't get or
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Speaker 1: refining in Australia unless the government scraps it's carbon tax.
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Speaker 1: The government currently imposes a carbon tax or what it
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Speaker 1: calls the safeguard mechanism on our last two or refineries,
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Speaker 1: which is almost hard to believe because the government's trying
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Speaker 1: to take some credit recently for these two last refineries
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Speaker 1: still be here, when in fact it was Angus Taylor
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Speaker 1: when he was Energy Minister, that provided support to those
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Speaker 1: refineries so they could stay alive. What this government has done,
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Speaker 1: what the Labor Party has done when they came to power,
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Speaker 1: was to impose a tax on those two refineries. Now,
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Speaker 1: the tax at the moment is not at a high level.
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Speaker 1: It's cost them about a million dollars a year, but
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Speaker 1: under the Labor Party's plans to get to net zero
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Speaker 1: within a decade, these refineries would be playing ten million
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Speaker 1: dollars a year or more to meet their net zero obligations.
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Speaker 1: And what that means is anyone that's looking to build
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Speaker 1: a new ore refinery. I've spoken to people that are
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Speaker 1: looking to do this. If that tax, if a carbon tax,
24:15
Speaker 1: if net zero remains the government policy, there is zero
24:19
Speaker 1: chance that we will have an oil refinery built in Australia.
24:22
Speaker 1: So if the government is serious about defending Australia's fuel security,
24:26
Speaker 1: it needs to scrap net zero. Net zero is what's
24:30
Speaker 1: holding Australia back from using its own resources, from being
24:33
Speaker 1: self sufficient all, while the rest of world doesn't do this.
24:36
Speaker 1: The rest of world is not going towards net zero.
24:38
Speaker 1: But if we continue to do so, we'll only make
24:40
Speaker 1: our country weaker.
24:42
Speaker 3: There was always a risk that relying on a run
24:45
Speaker 3: and the waterways around it, like the Strait of Hormuz,
24:48
Speaker 3: was going to be an issue at some point with
24:50
Speaker 3: supply for Australia. Yet there was no preparation for this.
24:54
Speaker 3: Chris Bowen's vision for a green Australia, well, we've seen
24:57
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister fly around Asia trying to seek thank
25:00
Speaker 3: you are our supply of fossil fuels.
25:03
Speaker 1: Well, what we've seen, Shahi, is Chris Barwen's green chickens
25:06
Speaker 1: come home to roost. In these past few weeks, he's
25:09
Speaker 1: been promising us that we wouldn't need fossil fuels anymore,
25:13
Speaker 1: that we'd have electric cars, we wouldn't need petrol or diesel.
25:17
Speaker 1: Can all see that's a complete fantasy. But also also
25:20
Speaker 1: what sometimes forgotten is that we wouldn't need fossil fuels
25:23
Speaker 1: to grow food anymore. Currently, about half the world's food
25:28
Speaker 1: is growing using something called urea. It's a fertilizer that's
25:31
Speaker 1: made from natural gas. You can eat and we do
25:34
Speaker 1: eat fossil fuels. Under this government, the Australia's last urea
25:39
Speaker 1: plant shut in late twenty twenty two, and since then
25:42
Speaker 1: we've been completely dependent on other countries to grow our
25:46
Speaker 1: own food, including twenty sorry, including two thirds of urea
25:50
Speaker 1: supply coming out of this volatile Middle East region. So
25:54
Speaker 1: not since the days of the early settlers has Australia's
25:57
Speaker 1: food security been so precarious the government's net zero policies.
26:02
Speaker 1: What's happened is this idea that you could make your
26:04
Speaker 1: ear out of hydrogen has been a complete and utter
26:06
Speaker 1: fairy tale. Even Twiggy Forest has dropped these plans, yet
26:10
Speaker 1: the government continues to remain committed to spending billions and
26:13
Speaker 1: billions of dollars on hydrogen. And so look, we've got
26:18
Speaker 1: to get back to planet Earth here. We've got to
26:21
Speaker 1: bring a urea plant back. We supported that one being
26:23
Speaker 1: built in Caratha when we're in government. That's about to
26:26
Speaker 1: come online. But we really should just get it, getting
26:28
Speaker 1: back to using our natural resources to secure our fuel
26:32
Speaker 1: and to secure our food production too.
26:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's such a good point about the first settlers.
26:38
Speaker 3: So looking at how the government is responding, we saw
26:41
Speaker 3: criticism from the Prime Minister today again towards President Trump.
26:45
Speaker 3: We've seen Penny Wong and her criticisms escalate day by day. Matt,
26:50
Speaker 3: what's your reaction to the fact that Australia and allies
26:54
Speaker 3: like it are being so hostile towards President Trump when
26:58
Speaker 3: he's fighting a common enemy in Iran.
27:02
Speaker 1: Well, we've all just got to get on the same team,
27:04
Speaker 1: get on the same side. We really need to realize
27:06
Speaker 1: what's at stake here. Look, I was a little critical,
27:10
Speaker 1: including on your show, and the original objective, original sorry
27:14
Speaker 1: strategy for this conflict, but look, we've got to let
27:18
Speaker 1: the historians debate that. Now. It's about as useful for
27:21
Speaker 1: me to debate that as it is to debate the
27:23
Speaker 1: merits of the Treaty of Versailles. It's happened. We need
27:26
Speaker 1: to realize now that we're in a bit of a pickle,
27:29
Speaker 1: and when you're in such a situation, you need to
27:31
Speaker 1: defend your friends. We want our friends to win. The
27:34
Speaker 1: United States is clearly our friend. The golf countries who
27:37
Speaker 1: have been unjustified attack from Iran are our friends, and
27:41
Speaker 1: Iran's friends are not always our friends. And so if
27:44
Speaker 1: Iran exits this conflict with the upper hand. That will
27:49
Speaker 1: be a massive boost to countries like Russia and China
27:52
Speaker 1: that have been supporting Iran, and that will make our
27:54
Speaker 1: peace and security worse here in this region. And so look,
27:58
Speaker 1: my message goes to Donald Trump. I mean his attacks
28:01
Speaker 1: and criticisms of Australia and other allies aren't helpful either.
28:05
Speaker 1: Let's try and get all on the same side here.
28:07
Speaker 1: That's the only way we're going to win. That's the
28:08
Speaker 1: only way we're going to make sure that our world
28:10
Speaker 1: continues with the peace and prosperity that my generation has
28:13
Speaker 1: been so lucky to live through. Let's stop the sniping
28:17
Speaker 1: and focus on winning.
28:19
Speaker 3: Madam, you worried that Iran is refusing to come to
28:22
Speaker 3: the table for peace, doocks?
28:24
Speaker 1: Well, Look, I'd love to see this conflict be resolved.
28:29
Speaker 1: I think the world wants that it's not helped with
28:31
Speaker 1: obviously one side not engaging. But I do think perhaps
28:34
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why Iran is not going to
28:37
Speaker 1: these talks is because our friends and allies are not
28:40
Speaker 1: united enough. So that should be the focus. I'm worried
28:42
Speaker 1: here that the current Labor government is too interested in
28:45
Speaker 1: playing the local domestic politics here of bashing Donald Trump
28:50
Speaker 1: or doing what they think their supporters want. The focus
28:53
Speaker 1: has to be on delivering peace. The focus has to
28:55
Speaker 1: be on entering this conflict and ending it in the
28:57
Speaker 1: way which is in our interests, which sees our friends
29:01
Speaker 1: and ourllies emerge victorious, which maximizes the chance of peace
29:06
Speaker 1: and security, not just breaking out in the Straits of Camus,
29:09
Speaker 1: but making sure that we maintained peace and security in
29:12
Speaker 1: the Straits of Malacca as well. And so I just
29:15
Speaker 1: worried in the last few weeks the Governor's lost focus
29:18
Speaker 1: on what's important here. This is not a time to
29:20
Speaker 1: play politics. It's not a time to engage in cheap insults.
29:24
Speaker 1: And now that goes for the Trump administration as well
29:26
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump himself. I'm saying it to all parties,
29:28
Speaker 1: Let's get together and win. That's got to be the focus.
29:32
Speaker 3: Just finally, Matt, you're getting a lot of reaction over
29:34
Speaker 3: the government's changes to private health insurance rebates for the
29:38
Speaker 3: over sixty fives.
29:39
Speaker 2: How angry is the feedback that you're getting.
29:43
Speaker 1: Look, my office has been inundated this morning. I'm down
29:47
Speaker 1: here in Farrer trying to keep a teal aligned till
29:53
Speaker 1: backed candidate here from doing nothing again in camera, not
29:56
Speaker 1: helping regional people. But my office, I've just spoken to
29:59
Speaker 1: them in Rockhampton has been inundated with older people concerned
30:02
Speaker 1: about the impact of these changes. The government here is
30:06
Speaker 1: effectively going to make life harder for pensioners in a
30:09
Speaker 1: cost of living crisis that this government has caused. These
30:12
Speaker 1: changes are going to add something like at least two
30:15
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars a year to people's premiums. Private
30:18
Speaker 1: health insurance premiums could be as high as six hundred
30:21
Speaker 1: dollars depending on your plan. I can't believe a government
30:25
Speaker 1: would impose that kind of cost on older Australians who
30:29
Speaker 1: can't afford to heat their homes during winter. Because this
30:32
Speaker 1: government's energy policies have taken our prices to some of
30:35
Speaker 1: the highest in the world. We just keep that in mind.
30:37
Speaker 1: We're about to head into winter and I speak to
30:41
Speaker 1: so many penches as now who have to economize on
30:44
Speaker 1: their use of heating during winter because they can't afford
30:47
Speaker 1: their power bills. Well, they're going to make it's going
30:49
Speaker 1: to be even harder to afford those bills with these
30:51
Speaker 1: government changes that jack up premiums on older Australians.
30:56
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time.
30:57
Speaker 3: Appreciate it as always, Charry. Two impressive individuals Joel Fitzgibbon
31:04
Speaker 3: and Matt Canavan, and I'm completely different sides of politics
31:08
Speaker 3: as well.
31:09
Speaker 2: We'll still to.
31:09
Speaker 3: Come a chilling message from Islamic State glorifying the Bondi massacre.
31:14
Speaker 3: You won't believe the threats they made and the plans
31:17
Speaker 3: for toilets in new public buildings to be gender neutral.
31:22
Speaker 2: It's after the break.
31:27
Speaker 3: Well, let's turn out to news that's been dominating headlines today.
31:30
Speaker 3: Of course, the NDIS reforms, one hundred and sixty thousand
31:34
Speaker 3: people are expected to be booted off the scheme by
31:37
Speaker 3: twenty thirty as Labor has tried to cut back on
31:40
Speaker 3: costs costs, Yet somehow Albanezi managed to make it all
31:45
Speaker 3: about himself again.
31:48
Speaker 12: I'm the son of what was then called an invalide pensioner,
31:53
Speaker 12: a single MUP. I understand what it's like for people
31:58
Speaker 12: to have disabilities and I will always do it and
32:01
Speaker 12: fight for them to get the care that they need.
32:05
Speaker 3: So after years spent attacking coalition attempts to reign in
32:09
Speaker 3: the NDIS, Labor is now being forced to.
32:12
Speaker 2: Clean up the mess and trying to justify it.
32:15
Speaker 3: We're joining me now IPA chief economist Adam Crichton and
32:18
Speaker 3: former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes.
32:20
Speaker 2: Great to see you both.
32:22
Speaker 3: So, Holly, I want to start with you on this
32:25
Speaker 3: because as a mother you have dealt with the NDIS
32:29
Speaker 3: and as a politician you've examined the policy very closely.
32:34
Speaker 3: What's your response to Mark Butler's proposal that he announced yesterday.
32:40
Speaker 13: Look, a lot of this needs to be done. Absolutely,
32:43
Speaker 13: this needs to be cleaned up. It has become an
32:45
Speaker 13: absolute behemoth. And it goes back to the Gillard government
32:48
Speaker 13: releasing this program like a jumbo jet being built after
32:52
Speaker 13: it had taken off. She gave the states a free
32:56
Speaker 13: pass by saying, don't worry, the FEDS will pick up
32:59
Speaker 13: all the slack of any extra increase in costs that
33:02
Speaker 13: might occur. And of course that just meant the States
33:05
Speaker 13: vacated the field absolutely everywhere they had already been and
33:09
Speaker 13: were supposed to continue giving services. But some of the
33:13
Speaker 13: commentary today is honestly, I had to turn a show
33:17
Speaker 13: off because I was going.
33:18
Speaker 11: To throw something at the television people out there.
33:20
Speaker 13: Going oh, all providers need to be registered. You know,
33:23
Speaker 13: there's all these terrible providers going through the courts. Most
33:26
Speaker 13: of them, if not all of them, are registered service
33:29
Speaker 13: providers that are going through the courts for fraud. Registration
33:32
Speaker 13: is not about quality of service provision. They have to
33:35
Speaker 13: hire auditors, but the auditors are hired by the companies themselves.
33:39
Speaker 11: They're not sent in by the government.
33:41
Speaker 13: And they work with these companies to pass them because
33:45
Speaker 13: no one's going to hire an audit company that fails people.
33:48
Speaker 11: And it's about money, not quality provisions.
33:51
Speaker 13: So that is not some silver bullet, but some really silly,
33:56
Speaker 13: intellectually bereft commentators seem to think is going to be
33:59
Speaker 13: some solved to the question. We've got community and social
34:03
Speaker 13: participation funding bang cut, and you know what, some of
34:06
Speaker 13: that is rubbish, and the service providers are ridiculous, and
34:09
Speaker 13: the support workers are not skilled, they're not doing what
34:12
Speaker 13: they should.
34:12
Speaker 11: And here's another tip.
34:13
Speaker 13: The really bad ones come out of the big behemoth
34:16
Speaker 13: registered providers generally as well sealed supported independent living one
34:21
Speaker 13: of the biggest areas. We've got people with million dollar
34:24
Speaker 13: two million dollar plans living in their own home or
34:27
Speaker 13: a home by themselves, with round the clock careers.
34:30
Speaker 11: We need to have a discussion.
34:31
Speaker 13: Is two million dollars a year are really the best
34:34
Speaker 13: pay away to spend that money? But also is it
34:36
Speaker 13: best for that person to be isolated with round the
34:38
Speaker 13: clock work cares.
34:40
Speaker 11: I don't know.
34:41
Speaker 13: Doctor PRONTI had an article today about everyone's got a
34:44
Speaker 13: bit of a tism. Well, let me tell you if
34:46
Speaker 13: you've got a child with what I call classical autism,
34:49
Speaker 13: which was the autism before this ridiculous autism spectrum disorder
34:53
Speaker 13: rediagnoses that everyone has somewhere on the spectrum. For families
34:58
Speaker 13: with a kid whose autism is a disability and actual disability,
35:02
Speaker 13: that is so insulting to hear we've all got a
35:05
Speaker 13: bit of the tism. That's not how we look at it,
35:08
Speaker 13: that's not how our children feel about it.
35:11
Speaker 11: It is so insulting, and I know I'm taking that time.
35:14
Speaker 2: I've got to get to add on its way.
35:16
Speaker 13: The reassessment part. I'm sorry, Adam, this is just I
35:19
Speaker 13: am so fired up about this. The reassessment part. If
35:24
Speaker 13: they are genuine about reassessment, that's fine. We're going through
35:27
Speaker 13: one now privately because my son's eighty months from.
35:29
Speaker 11: Leaving school, so we've got to look at it. It's
35:31
Speaker 11: at a cost of two thousand dollars.
35:33
Speaker 13: But I'm going to say, if they want to look
35:35
Speaker 13: at it, sensibly, all the kids and people that went
35:39
Speaker 13: onto the scheme transitioning via the States, they should just
35:42
Speaker 13: automatically go through without reassessment.
35:44
Speaker 11: And I'll tell you why.
35:45
Speaker 13: When my son was diagnosed with classic autism, intellectual disability,
35:49
Speaker 13: global developmental.
35:50
Speaker 14: Blah blah blah blah blah blah, the entire support we
35:54
Speaker 14: got from government was a very short parental support group
35:58
Speaker 14: and we were transitioned onto this game.
36:00
Speaker 13: No one is diagnosed as shopping when the supports available
36:03
Speaker 13: to you are a short run parental support group.
36:06
Speaker 2: There are a lot of issues here.
36:08
Speaker 3: I think you need to I think you need to
36:10
Speaker 3: contact and get involved. Yeah, where you need the whole show,
36:14
Speaker 3: that's for sure, and we need many hours to talk
36:16
Speaker 3: about the failings of the NDAs. Adam, I'm going to
36:18
Speaker 3: move on to the next topic because we're just running
36:20
Speaker 3: out of tari out o Adam, I've been really keen
36:23
Speaker 3: to talk to you about why the US economy is
36:26
Speaker 3: doing so much better than Australia's. I mean, the US
36:30
Speaker 3: markets have sharply out performed the ASX here at home
36:34
Speaker 3: the romore can consumer confidence is sunk below even COVID
36:38
Speaker 3: era levels, households still being smashed by powerbells.
36:41
Speaker 2: Inflation, weak growth tell us what's going on?
36:45
Speaker 15: Well, certainly so many journalists like to make fun of
36:48
Speaker 15: the Trump administration, but the reality there is that the
36:51
Speaker 15: inflation rate is about half here, the economy is growing
36:54
Speaker 15: much faster than here, and Trump's even managed to slash
36:57
Speaker 15: the immigration rate in the US and the economy is
37:00
Speaker 15: still growing faster than here. And as you say, the
37:02
Speaker 15: stock market's booming far greater returns in Australia since Trump
37:05
Speaker 15: was elected. And I think part of it is that
37:07
Speaker 15: energy there is so much cheaper, there's so much more
37:10
Speaker 15: energy production, so much more exploration. Basically, the US has
37:14
Speaker 15: dumped net zero completely and I think that's something Australia
37:16
Speaker 15: is eventually going to do as well. And that's basically
37:19
Speaker 15: feeding through to confidence and the whole US economy. I mean,
37:22
Speaker 15: the reality is all the smart people in the world
37:23
Speaker 15: who are not in America still they still want to
37:26
Speaker 15: migrate to the United States. That's where all the innovation is,
37:29
Speaker 15: that's where the new startups are the best companies. You know,
37:33
Speaker 15: the comparison with the rest of the world Europe and
37:36
Speaker 15: Australia is so stark, and it's becoming more so. It's embarrassing, frankly,
37:39
Speaker 15: and I think that probably explains some of the animals
37:42
Speaker 15: towards Trump.
37:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yet as you see in the media, as
37:46
Speaker 3: you mentioned, there so much criticism of Trump, even though
37:51
Speaker 3: their economy is doing much better than the Albanese governments.
37:54
Speaker 3: I want to turn to this topic today something a
37:56
Speaker 3: little bit different. So as many as half the toilets
37:59
Speaker 3: in public buildings nationally, from stadiums to shopping centers to
38:03
Speaker 3: office blocks, could be designated gender neutral. This is under
38:07
Speaker 3: a new draft building code, so Holly, I mean this
38:11
Speaker 3: is also a privacy and safety issue.
38:14
Speaker 13: I am so sick of this wok agender and the
38:17
Speaker 13: people that are buying into what is a very small
38:20
Speaker 13: minority of people demanding this sort of treatment. I certainly
38:24
Speaker 13: wouldn't be sending my children into a gender neutral toilet.
38:27
Speaker 11: I wouldn't want to go into a gender neutral toilet.
38:30
Speaker 13: But then, you know, seriously, maybe do it your gender
38:33
Speaker 13: with what bits because for those of us that have suns,
38:36
Speaker 13: you don't necessarily want to follow them into the bathroom either.
38:40
Speaker 13: So you know, it's just gross and it's pulling into
38:43
Speaker 13: this woke agender and enough is enough, and for public
38:47
Speaker 13: money to be spent on it is just another example
38:50
Speaker 13: of the total waste that we see coming from governments
38:53
Speaker 13: of all levels when they try to appease these sort of.
38:56
Speaker 3: Minorities, adam from the many other issues related to you know,
39:03
Speaker 3: female safety. I mean, is this exactly the kind of
39:06
Speaker 3: red tape builders and developers don't need.
39:10
Speaker 15: Look, that's certainly true, especially now when construction costs are
39:13
Speaker 15: absolutely spiraling because of the fuel crisis and because you know,
39:17
Speaker 15: we can't get various imports here fast enough, so it's crazy. Also,
39:22
Speaker 15: there's a federal government dimension here. That construction code has
39:25
Speaker 15: input from federal bureaucrats. So and you know, surveys show
39:29
Speaker 15: that ninety percent of Australians do not support that. So
39:31
Speaker 15: why is the Liberal Party in the national party in
39:33
Speaker 15: one nation not going harder on this? I would be
39:36
Speaker 15: certainly I'm not a political advisor, but this is red
39:39
Speaker 15: meat surely in the lead up to various elections. It's
39:41
Speaker 15: completely outrageous. And yes, the costs, of course, the costs
39:44
Speaker 15: are going to go up dramatically to build, you know,
39:46
Speaker 15: to build commercial buildings and schools and so forth. It's
39:50
Speaker 15: really crazy and it just goes to show how the
39:51
Speaker 15: camera bubble is so out of tune with.
39:53
Speaker 1: The rest of the country.
39:55
Speaker 3: Adam, just to one final question to you, just to
39:59
Speaker 3: ease to balance the time, Ledger.
40:01
Speaker 2: Sorry, that's all right, Adam. I was interested in your thoughts,
40:04
Speaker 2: so we talk about Ndois too. I know I'm to
40:07
Speaker 2: ask about something else.
40:08
Speaker 3: I was interested in your thoughts on this, Adam, because
40:10
Speaker 3: I know you're kind of a bit of a civil
40:13
Speaker 3: libertarian in a way. The U, okay, is the UK
40:17
Speaker 3: is banning anyone born after two thousand and eight from
40:20
Speaker 3: ever legally buying cigarettes. Now, their health benefits are obvious,
40:25
Speaker 3: and I agree with it. But from your perspective, what
40:28
Speaker 3: do you think is this classic nawby state over each?
40:31
Speaker 2: Well?
40:32
Speaker 15: Yeah, look, I think it is classic net state over
40:34
Speaker 15: each And of course it's not going to work. It's
40:35
Speaker 15: just going to lead to a black market. And you know,
40:37
Speaker 15: older friends will sell cigarettes to younger friends, et cetera.
40:40
Speaker 15: That's going to go on for years. So you know,
40:42
Speaker 15: clearly it's tokenism. It's about being seen to be doing something.
40:45
Speaker 15: It's barely going to change smoking rates, I would say,
40:47
Speaker 15: especially since as we know in Australia you just get
40:49
Speaker 15: a black market, a huge black market. That's going to
40:51
Speaker 15: happen in the UK as well, and it's going to
40:53
Speaker 15: be easier there. This is so much closer to other countries.
40:55
Speaker 15: So look, I don't think it's right. It certainly wouldn't
40:58
Speaker 15: fly in the US. It wouldn't be constitutional because as
41:00
Speaker 15: we know in Australia, in the UK there is no
41:02
Speaker 15: constitution really, so at least not for civil liberty. So
41:04
Speaker 15: you do whatever you want. That's a sad thing in
41:07
Speaker 15: my view. So look, it's not going to make any
41:09
Speaker 15: different charity of smoking rates. Of course, smoking is bad,
41:12
Speaker 15: but you know, frankly, there are far worse things in society,
41:15
Speaker 15: and you know, children's well being is in stark decline,
41:19
Speaker 15: and I don't think it's because of cigarettes.
41:21
Speaker 2: All right, Adam Holly, thank you so much.
41:23
Speaker 3: Good to go, and after the break we'll cross live
41:26
Speaker 3: to Israel with Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Charen Haskell.
41:29
Speaker 2: That's next.
41:33
Speaker 3: Welcome back and let's cross straight to Israel with Israeli
41:36
Speaker 3: Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Charen Haskell Sharen, thanks so much
41:41
Speaker 3: for your time and your patients. Look, the ceasefire has
41:44
Speaker 3: been extended after Iran pulled out of peace talks. How
41:48
Speaker 3: long should they be given to come to the table
41:51
Speaker 3: before you resume war.
41:54
Speaker 16: Well, you know, the situation is extremely sensitive. Things can
41:58
Speaker 16: change literally while we are talking right now. And there's
42:03
Speaker 16: two ways in order to you know, comes come into
42:08
Speaker 16: terms or to really change the way, or to really
42:12
Speaker 16: get the Iranian regime to surrender. One is through the
42:16
Speaker 16: force of military force and you know, a operation against
42:22
Speaker 16: them and the continuations of those military operations against them,
42:25
Speaker 16: and the other one is an economical collapse. They're facing
42:28
Speaker 16: both of them, and this is only a matter of
42:30
Speaker 16: time unfortunately until now also with the decline of the
42:34
Speaker 16: continuations of the negotiations. This is a very critical and
42:38
Speaker 16: a very sensitive times. The United States are the one
42:42
Speaker 16: who are leading conversations and the talk and the path
42:45
Speaker 16: and we are partners with the United States, and therefore
42:49
Speaker 16: we are waiting to hear from the President of the
42:51
Speaker 16: United States to seeing what path we will continue. But
42:55
Speaker 16: these things are very very delicate, and it literally can
42:58
Speaker 16: change while we are talking right now.
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Speaker 3: The signs are that there's a split between the political
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Speaker 3: leadership and the IIGC military hardliners.
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Speaker 2: Is this your view of what's happening.
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Speaker 16: Oh? Absolutely, it's been like that for a while. And
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Speaker 16: this is a leadership that for quite a few weeks
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Speaker 16: now has been split on it. There's two voices who
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Speaker 16: are talking. This makes it much more complicated. There isn't
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Speaker 16: a defined leadership. They were literally praising and kissing a cardboard. Okay,
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Speaker 16: that is the image of in the image of the
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Speaker 16: new leader, which no one knows whether they are alive
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Speaker 16: or not functioning or not, how bad they're injured as well,
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Speaker 16: And so there are many many voices who are going in.
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Speaker 16: But I think it's it's pretty much very clear that
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Speaker 16: you know, they are on the edge of an economical collapse,
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Speaker 16: and they understand also that the Midi tree power they
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Speaker 16: have have been reduced dramatically and they cannot stand a
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Speaker 16: long and more powerful, you know, operation from the United
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Speaker 16: States and from Israel.
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Speaker 3: Again in terms of the strait of Homers, this is
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Speaker 3: affecting global oil prices, petrol supply, diesel supply as well.
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Speaker 2: What can you do about it?
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Speaker 16: Look, I think there's a lot and there's a huge conversation.
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Speaker 16: President Trump's being hands on it as well. There's a
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Speaker 16: lot of conversations also about you know, alternative roots and
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Speaker 16: the development of vendoring these days. You know, for a
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Speaker 16: very long time, there was a conversation about a land
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Speaker 16: you know, road for energy through the southeast towards the
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Speaker 16: Red Sea. They're the iMac Road. That's been a conversation,
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Speaker 16: you know, the road from India to Europe for quite
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Speaker 16: a few years. I think this is some that we
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Speaker 16: need to discuss. But I think that most of the
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Speaker 16: world truly needs to understand. Iran has been extorting the
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Speaker 16: world for many years now. Try and imagine what would
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Speaker 16: have happened if that extortion would have continued in year,
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Speaker 16: two years, five years from now, when they are as
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Speaker 16: powerful as North Korea with nuclear weapons, with huge and
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Speaker 16: advanced and sophisticated military capability. What would have happened then?
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Speaker 16: Who could have stand up in order to defend that?
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Speaker 16: And so we have to think forward, We have to
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Speaker 16: think of what would have been the consequences later on,
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Speaker 16: and we have to really take into actions alternative roots
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Speaker 16: that have been discussed for many, many decades.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sarre and Haskell, thank you so much.
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Speaker 3: For joining us as always appreciate it. Still to Tom
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Speaker 3: clover More refuses to counsel. A forum headlined Globalize the
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Speaker 3: Interfata Julian Lisa is next, Yeah, let's get straight into it,
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Speaker 3: and joining MINOW is Shadow Education Minister Julian Lisa. Julian
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Speaker 3: terror group Islamic State is now openly glorifying the Bondai massacre,
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Speaker 3: using it in a propaganda booklet tell us about this.
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Speaker 10: This is an outrageous thing. Islamic State is basically saying
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Speaker 10: to its supporters and followers around the world that there
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Speaker 10: should be repeats of what happened in Bondai and this
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Speaker 10: is what they're going to do in Jerusalem. If anybody
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Speaker 10: wants to know what globalizing the Interfada looks like, this
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Speaker 10: is exactly what it looks like.
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Speaker 3: Well you say that, And yet a forum titled why
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Speaker 3: It's right to say Globalize the defarder is still going
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Speaker 3: ahead at a City of Sydney council venue on May fifth.
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Speaker 3: The clover More is refusing to stop it.
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Speaker 10: You're response, it's outrageous that a piece of property that's
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Speaker 10: paid for by taxpayers is being led to an organization
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Speaker 10: who is calling for the murder of their fellow citizens.
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Speaker 10: This is a massive failure of leadership and I think
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Speaker 10: if the Royal Commission wants a demonstration of the fact
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Speaker 10: that leaders in our country are failing to deal with
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Speaker 10: the hatred against Jews around our country, this is a
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Speaker 10: great example of just that.
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Speaker 3: Chris Kenny and Ben English, the Daily Telly editor, spoke
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Speaker 3: so well about this earlier this evening. But this is
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Speaker 3: part of the issue with why we are having rising
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Speaker 3: anti semitism, isn't it.
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Speaker 10: Well, that's right. There's been a massive failure of leadership
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Speaker 10: over the last two years of everyone from the Prime
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Speaker 10: Minister down to the Lord Mayor of Sydney. I'm seeing
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Speaker 10: it in the vice chancellors that I'm talking to in
47:36
Speaker 10: my role, who still refuse to adopt the International Holocaust
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Speaker 10: Remembrance Alliance definition of anti Semitism. Fifteen people were murdered
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Speaker 10: in cold blood at Bondi and I've been appalled at
47:46
Speaker 10: the quality of university leadership we have in too many
47:49
Speaker 10: of the institutions of this country. We've got to get
47:51
Speaker 10: to the bottom of this. If people don't fear the
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Speaker 10: Royal Commission, they're not going to fear anything. We need
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Speaker 10: to see a sea change in this behavior because we
47:59
Speaker 10: can't have repeat of the last two years.
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Speaker 3: Julian, are you are Shadow Education Minister whs we know
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Speaker 3: that boys are falling behind girls at school on a.
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Speaker 2: Range of measures.
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Speaker 3: There's a new inquiry that aims to uncover the reason
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Speaker 3: behind this. What do you actually want the inquiry to
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Speaker 3: focus on?
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Speaker 10: Arry The achievements that we've had in girls' education in
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Speaker 10: the last thirty years has been a course for celebration,
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Speaker 10: but unfortunately our boys have fallen behind. And since I've
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Speaker 10: been Shadow Education Minister, I've been calling for this inquiry.
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Speaker 10: It's really important we get the best evidence from around
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Speaker 10: the world as to what we can do to improve
48:35
Speaker 10: the education of boys, and that we hear from parents, teachers,
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Speaker 10: students and education professionals about their experience in the education system.
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Speaker 10: We've got to make sure both our boys and our
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Speaker 10: girls succeed. The future of our country depends on it.
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Speaker 3: Is this an issue particular to Australia or are you
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Speaker 3: seeing this trend reflected internationally?
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Speaker 10: Look, this is happening in other countries, not just austray
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Speaker 10: But the statistics here are stark. Boys start behind girls
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Speaker 10: in every one of the napland tests other than numerocy
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Speaker 10: in year three and by the time they're in year
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Speaker 10: nine they're one to two years behind where girls are.
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Speaker 10: We said in the drop out rates eight percent higher
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Speaker 10: for boys than girls, and those going on too higher
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Speaker 10: education or VET again it's lower. So there's real issues
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Speaker 10: here and if we don't tackle these issues, we're setting
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Speaker 10: our country up for failure.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely a worry and you'd, I mean, you're
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Speaker 3: going to have an inquiry to examine it, but you'd
49:33
Speaker 3: have to think some of it is the way people
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Speaker 3: are taught. You know, generally speaking, boys need to get
49:39
Speaker 3: out there and move their bodies from time to time.
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Speaker 3: I know two boys myself. They're not as good as well.
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Speaker 3: The older one has done a basic concentration.
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Speaker 10: But yeah, some of it's pedagogy, some of its curriculum,
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Speaker 10: some of it even some of the behavioral issues and
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Speaker 10: discipline that we're seeing in absence.
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Speaker 3: All right, Julian Lisa, thank you so much for your time,
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Speaker 3: and thank you everyone for your company this week. I'll
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Speaker 3: see you Monday at eight. And here's James McPherson m
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Speaker 3: hm
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Speaker 12: Hm