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Ep. 193: Too Much Naughty · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Nor where you stand with on X. Welcome back, Johnny. Hey, thanks,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, Phil, do you still have all the
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  Speaker 1: JAUNTI quotes? I don't have them fired up right now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. We should just use them all the time,
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  Speaker 1: even when he's here. Yeah, just have them ready to go,
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  Speaker 1: just just to have him say funny things that he
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  Speaker 1: would say just by sticking them in there. Yeah, I'll
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  Speaker 1: performance on a regular basis. That would be a great
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  Speaker 1: sentence right there, for instance, to have I'll pull that
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  Speaker 1: fun for me if you could time it to where
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  Speaker 1: Janice cuts Joannie off. Oh that'd be great. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: actually actually interrupts your honest this is a whole new
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  Speaker 1: podcast idea. I think stop doing that. Why do we
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  Speaker 1: have a bank of Yanni quotes? An assignment and missed
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  Speaker 1: an episode, so I was afraid I'd miss him too much.
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  Speaker 1: So Phil made twenty seven Yanni quotes and he could
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  Speaker 1: just hit a button, have Yanna stay stuff, And so
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  Speaker 1: Phil even set it up where you honestly had answers,
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  Speaker 1: like Phil asked him how he liked Dr SEUs, how
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  Speaker 1: he liked Dr SEUs, and Joanni was saying he had
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  Speaker 1: to read it a few times to get it, but
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  Speaker 1: he got it figured out. It was good. Uh. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: did you see the article that Mark from n SSF
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  Speaker 1: sent us about. It's like, it's a funny article. It's
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  Speaker 1: one of those article is this meant to be? Like, oh, brother,
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  Speaker 1: what will they think of next? But there's a lawyer
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Wise. That's a hell of the last name to
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  Speaker 1: have Wise, especially as a lawyer. Yeah, Like I'm stuck
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  Speaker 1: with like Ronella, which doesn't mean ship. This guy gets
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  Speaker 1: wise Stephen Wise. He um, he spends his time. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of funny. Spends his time suing zoo's uh
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  Speaker 1: suing him for illegally detaining animals. Right now, he's suing
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  Speaker 1: the Bronx Zoo for illegally detaining an elephant name Happy.
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  Speaker 1: It's he's it sounds like he does it like a
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  Speaker 1: fair bit, but then he like loses it, but then
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  Speaker 1: goes and does it again, and he brings this case
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  Speaker 1: up to a judge. He he wants the elephant to
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  Speaker 1: move from the bronx due to a bigger zoo, and
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  Speaker 1: the judge has like a good point, and the judge says,
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  Speaker 1: but wouldn't that be just like moving it to a
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  Speaker 1: bigger prison. And then Stephen Wise has a wise reply
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  Speaker 1: where he's like, yes, at a point, we could say
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  Speaker 1: that living on earth is a prison. Oh no, good lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna get this elephant out of
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  Speaker 1: that zoo. But he's you know, uh, the establishing human
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  Speaker 1: rights for animals, right is the yeah, he had smart
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  Speaker 1: thing where like that, um, they're having a dog taking
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  Speaker 1: your dog hunting as slavery, that's right, that's right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I like it. But remember we had that fish case
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  Speaker 1: in North Carolina where they established um, like an act
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  Speaker 1: of cruelty for leaving guy abandoned his house and left
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  Speaker 1: up Oscar. Fish have to fish there, and they were saying,
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  Speaker 1: you can't do it to a dog, you can do
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  Speaker 1: it to a fish. Yeah, exactly. But they've proven that
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  Speaker 1: fish have feelings, according to science Yes podcast, I actually
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  Speaker 1: heard that on Wait wait, don't tell me first. But
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  Speaker 1: there's question do fish have feelings? A song? Feelings? Um,
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  Speaker 1: what's the answer to the question. Yeah, yeah, listen eventually
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  Speaker 1: emotional feelings. They listen. There's a these guys, I haven't
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  Speaker 1: read this, read I gotta find this. Uh. They can
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  Speaker 1: play the sound of water to a willow, yes, and
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  Speaker 1: it will grow in the direction of this sound. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to run out of ship to eat because it's
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  Speaker 1: like Phil having a pretty noisy beverage. He's gotten quite
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  Speaker 1: comfortable around like negative nine degrees out you got like
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  Speaker 1: an ice when you got like an ice cocktail. It's
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  Speaker 1: just water. He's giving you the sound of water. You
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  Speaker 1: know you said the willow Thank you, Maggie Live sound design.
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  Speaker 1: That was genius. Oh I just thought it would know. Um,
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  Speaker 1: that was great. I was like, man, I was a
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  Speaker 1: hearty sip filled his head. No, we're gonna run out
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  Speaker 1: of stuff to eat because, uh, we're all gonna die.
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  Speaker 1: Because if a willow here's water and grows toward it,
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  Speaker 1: that makes me feel bad about eating that tree. Like
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  Speaker 1: beavers should not be doing that to those Willows. Do
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  Speaker 1: you remember when we're driving back from South Dakota, our
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  Speaker 1: arduous journey home from South Dakota, and uh, we were
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  Speaker 1: talking about how we were annoyed over some of the
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  Speaker 1: vaping stuff, right, And my annoyance is that, uh, and
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  Speaker 1: I have friends like this that are they joy they're
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  Speaker 1: they're vaping, they're low profile, smoking, um, and they're very
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  Speaker 1: healthy people and they are so annoyed over this vaping thing.
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  Speaker 1: And and my vaping thing being this realization that vaping
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  Speaker 1: is not good, that is not good for you. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, and my annoyances did you really really trick
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  Speaker 1: yourself into thinking that this is somehow not reasonably bad
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  Speaker 1: for you but good for you? And that's like when Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the studies of like fish can feel pain. Like, how
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  Speaker 1: is this an epiphany for people? Everything wants to live
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  Speaker 1: for God's sake? Yeah? Uh, the guy wrote it. I
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  Speaker 1: can't tell the guy he wrote in a weird uh letter.
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  Speaker 1: He wrote in a letter like telling a funny story,
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like he kind of revealed himself as
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  Speaker 1: as an unsavory character where he said he was hunting.
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  Speaker 1: He was duck hunting in the river bottoms in South Arkansas,
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  Speaker 1: and this is in two thousand seven, so quite a
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  Speaker 1: while ago. There was a memorable story from him, and
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  Speaker 1: he shot a shot a gadwall. Later, he sees like
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  Speaker 1: what he thinks is a stick in the bottom of
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  Speaker 1: his boat, and he goes to throw it out, but
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  Speaker 1: when he grabs a stick, he realizes the sticks connected
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  Speaker 1: to the duck, and the duck has been outfitted with
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  Speaker 1: a little backpack style satellite tracker. Uh and he has
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  Speaker 1: a wow, that's cool moment, and the thing on there says,
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  Speaker 1: if you find this thing, call there needs to be
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  Speaker 1: returned to the l s U. Biology department. So he
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  Speaker 1: calls him, says, hey, I got your thing now. Grant
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  Speaker 1: remember this guy is telling it like it's a good story.
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  Speaker 1: Calls him and says, hey, I got your thing. They
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  Speaker 1: said you gotta send it to us, and he says, well,
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  Speaker 1: I won't send it to you until you send me
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  Speaker 1: a fake one back because I want to mount the
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  Speaker 1: duck with it. Did he shoot the duck or just
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  Speaker 1: found shot it? Shot it off a flock of god walls?
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  Speaker 1: He said, I'll give it back to you when you
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  Speaker 1: give me a fake one, because I want to mount
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  Speaker 1: it with the thing. On it. They never give him
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  Speaker 1: the fake one, and he's all proud of himself for
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  Speaker 1: having their tracking device hanging on his wall. No one's
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  Speaker 1: ever shown up to claim it. Yeah, I mean they're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna like kick your they asked for it back
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  Speaker 1: showing up to claim it like like asking for it back,
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna send someone to kick the door down. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's a science department at a school. It's it's not
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  Speaker 1: like they have an enforcement division the school and just
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  Speaker 1: giant coppers where they're like, well, just in case somebody
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  Speaker 1: and say, uh, fake version of this microscope, we can
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  Speaker 1: just magan one oture and then maybe give us the
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  Speaker 1: real one that he stole back. I believe who is
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  Speaker 1: telling us though that. Uh. Folks that shoot collared Elk
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  Speaker 1: oftentimes are like, so that collar, no can I get? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah right? Did you? H go on? Folks ask they'd
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  Speaker 1: return the collar and then there they'd say like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I thought this was pretty neat. And I get stems
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  Speaker 1: from like folks shooting banded ducks and geese so that
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  Speaker 1: you know, you keep the band and you call the
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  Speaker 1: number man. Yeah, um, And I think that's kind of like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I shot a banded ELK. I want to keep the band.
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  Speaker 1: But as we've talked about this a bunch and as
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  Speaker 1: you know, and as Carmen van Bianci put it, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and then she puts collars on game animals, and she's like,
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  Speaker 1: once you put that collar or an animal wearing a collar,
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  Speaker 1: as she says, this is a quote, someone has already
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  Speaker 1: got the best of him. M M. And I was
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  Speaker 1: gonna point this out. Did we talk about this, Johnnie,
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  Speaker 1: that when we were hunting mule deer in uh Wolming. No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we mentioned that. Yeah, I had two
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  Speaker 1: and fifty yards away from me a little four by
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  Speaker 1: four mually wearing a collar. No desire, no desire to
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  Speaker 1: shoot that deer because someone had already got the best
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  Speaker 1: of him. If he would have been a hundred eighties
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  Speaker 1: seven and a half inches bullshit, bullshit tainted love. No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care how big it was. No, I was
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  Speaker 1: waiting for you to say something, Well, you know at
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  Speaker 1: that point, he's probably gonna die that winter in good story,
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  Speaker 1: mean Johnie heard, Uh, there's a there's a there was
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  Speaker 1: a buck. He had a name like you know, you
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  Speaker 1: get bucks getting names like big huge bucks get goofy names.
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  Speaker 1: This buck had a goofy name, like like Jumbo or whatever. Right,
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  Speaker 1: and um, these guys were hanging out with they dubbed
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  Speaker 1: the same buck. They called it the cess Ina buck.
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  Speaker 1: Because a couple of years ago, like Wyoming recently made
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  Speaker 1: it that you can't scout from aircraft. You can't scout
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  Speaker 1: big game animals from aircraft. And it kind of came
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  Speaker 1: in because they made it that you couldn't use drones, right,
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  Speaker 1: so you can't scout with a drone. And then it
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  Speaker 1: brings up the question where it winds up being, well,
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  Speaker 1: how can you not scout with the drone, but you
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  Speaker 1: can scout with the airplane. So it's like if you have,
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  Speaker 1: like if you have a certain socio economic class has
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  Speaker 1: to have an airplane, totally cool, have at it. But
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  Speaker 1: if you're just some little scraggly dirt bag where the
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  Speaker 1: drone screw you, well, like kind of what the logic
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  Speaker 1: seems like? Right? So um, either way, and Wyoming got
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  Speaker 1: rid of you can't scout big game out of a plane.
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  Speaker 1: They said, when you could, you would in this area
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  Speaker 1: where they hunt me dear, they said, every day, man,
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  Speaker 1: someone's flying up looking for deer well before this law
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  Speaker 1: went into effect. This guy finds this giant mule deer,
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  Speaker 1: like a two forty five, and the dude took me
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  Speaker 1: and showed me the avalanche shoot where they found it.
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  Speaker 1: Found it an avalanche shoot, and the thing didn't budge,
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  Speaker 1: and they took pictures of it, and they take it.
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  Speaker 1: They take the photos to a guy. Now, this is like,
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  Speaker 1: this is as told to me. I am not saying
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  Speaker 1: I haven't fact checked Steve's gospel truth. I haven't fact
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  Speaker 1: checked any aspect of this. This is a story as
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  Speaker 1: told to me. They take, they build a little dossier
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  Speaker 1: on this buck and present it to a gentleman who's like,
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  Speaker 1: I like that buck so much, um, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: have a tag for Whyolming, I like that buck so much,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy the Wyoming Governor's tag in order to
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  Speaker 1: go and shoot Jumbo the buck. The problem is he's
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  Speaker 1: going to use this outfitter, and the outfiter in this
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  Speaker 1: area has a why are you looking at me like this? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm intently listening, that's all. Sorry, I'm intently listening. Did
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  Speaker 1: you get a recording of that film? Can we put
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  Speaker 1: that into the so Honestly, I want you to play
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  Speaker 1: that a lot. That's why I know that he's listening. Steve.
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  Speaker 1: I'm intently listening, you, jerk uh, I'm right, so far right.
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  Speaker 1: This is your understanding so far so I heard the
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  Speaker 1: same story. I can crab right. So he's gonna use
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  Speaker 1: this outfitter and in this area outfitter has to stay.
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  Speaker 1: He has the camp, he has the overnight in a
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  Speaker 1: specified location. Outfitters are not allowed to spike camp, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and they're not allowed to graze horses, so you gotta
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  Speaker 1: take your horses back at night and feed him feed.
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  Speaker 1: You can't be sleeping out. But where they find this
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  Speaker 1: buck with this airplane is too far away from his
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  Speaker 1: designated campsite to get the client over there. So as
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  Speaker 1: told to me, they go and say they go to
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  Speaker 1: the forest service and say, hey, we have a handicapped hunter,
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  Speaker 1: a disabled hunter. We need an exemption from our designated
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  Speaker 1: campsite thing because we have a disabled hunter who who
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  Speaker 1: needs to hunt. So they're like, oh, great, go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and you can spike out. So then the guy still
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  Speaker 1: the this Governor's tag disabled gentleman still manages to ride
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  Speaker 1: what seven miles mm hmm and and shoot the Cessina
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  Speaker 1: buck As told to me. Mhm uh what else that got?
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  Speaker 1: Oh call? You probably know about this. UM. I love this.
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  Speaker 1: A state lawmaker in my home state of Michigan, UM
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  Speaker 1: is proposing that they were they worked up this bill.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they don't have like oversight. They worked up
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  Speaker 1: this bill suggesting that I a Royal National Park institute
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  Speaker 1: of moose hunting season because they have this exploding moose
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  Speaker 1: population and uh he feels the wolves that they're they're
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  Speaker 1: trying to They're flying wolves out there, hoping that the
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  Speaker 1: wolves can kill all the moose, and um he's like,
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  Speaker 1: while we fly a couple hunters out there, what do
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  Speaker 1: you think about that? Cal kind of goes back to
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  Speaker 1: your weeping for the willow preamble, right, because a big
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  Speaker 1: part of this is that exploding moose population is gonna
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  Speaker 1: could potentially severely damage uh plant life out there on
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  Speaker 1: I Royal And that's that's uh yeah why the big
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  Speaker 1: part of why the why of putting wolves out there?
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  Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean I it really flies in the
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  Speaker 1: face of what a national park is supposed to be for,
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  Speaker 1: does it, though? Right? I mean? Does that No? I like, personally,
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  Speaker 1: I would love to see it happen. Yes, Um, but
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  Speaker 1: I could see you know, it's funny. I read this
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  Speaker 1: in a publication called National Parks Traveler, and I felt
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  Speaker 1: that they would be a much uh stronger like that.
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  Speaker 1: I felt that when I started the article, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: surely there'll be a part of this article where the author,
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  Speaker 1: the writer strongly condemns this idea. Yeah, but that part
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  Speaker 1: never came. Well yeah, and and maybe it's it's because
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  Speaker 1: they're looking at the whole ecosystem health um, and the
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  Speaker 1: fact that the wolves have not been faring well out
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  Speaker 1: they're left to their own devices. Um, they put one
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  Speaker 1: out there and turned up dead. But they're doing a
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  Speaker 1: knee cropsy on it. Oh really um, because I know
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  Speaker 1: they dropped a few off and then as soon as
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  Speaker 1: the water froze up, they even though they basically had
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  Speaker 1: this semi captive food source, they had tailed it for Canada. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that. I believe that's correct. And then but yeah, man,
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  Speaker 1: I I don't know. It's it's interesting because you have,
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  Speaker 1: like National Parks serve this purpose that I don't want
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  Speaker 1: any other public lands or federally managed lands to serve,
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  Speaker 1: which is a place where lots and lots of people
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  Speaker 1: can go and there, you know, there's a lot more
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  Speaker 1: rules and folks are pretty confined, and you kind of
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  Speaker 1: end up with this weird amusement park type of crossover
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  Speaker 1: and into like something that's supposed to be preserving a
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  Speaker 1: real wild experience, a garden of Eden. This guy. So
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  Speaker 1: it's in the Michigan State House and it's a resolution.
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  Speaker 1: If the resolution passes, it's not binding, but the resolution
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  Speaker 1: just says it's the state legislature passing a resolution where
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  Speaker 1: the purpose of the resolution is to ask the park
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  Speaker 1: to consider it um. The park officials there had already
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  Speaker 1: ruled it out as being inconsistent with existing laws, policies,
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  Speaker 1: and regulations. But the whole situation there is like inconsistent. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it's a it's an aquarium like kind of like partially
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  Speaker 1: make beliefs situation. That's why I say, man, just let
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  Speaker 1: us take its course. Let's see what happens. They can't
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  Speaker 1: that they can't help them. They can't, I know, because
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  Speaker 1: someone has an idea of what a healthy ecosystem is,
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  Speaker 1: but they really can't on it. It changes all the time.
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  Speaker 1: They should just let it roll because who knows it
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  Speaker 1: will be like a great little experiment. What happens when
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  Speaker 1: the moose eat themselves that at home? And then how
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  Speaker 1: did the willows react? Did they start growing toward away
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  Speaker 1: from the sound of moose who's coming through the woods?
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  Speaker 1: Growing away from it? It used to be caribou and
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  Speaker 1: links right, yea cariboon links up into the hundreds. It
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  Speaker 1: was cariboon links and then like and I think part
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  Speaker 1: of the thing to consider here too is and uh,
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  Speaker 1: your your better half gen and probably be able to
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  Speaker 1: talk to this a little bit, is um. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they're these systems always have a bunch of research going on,
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  Speaker 1: and there's probably a bunch of folks that have dedicated
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  Speaker 1: funding very specifically to something out there, and they're like, well, hey,
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  Speaker 1: like I'm supposed to be doing this, and you know
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  Speaker 1: X y Z is happening, which is getting in the
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  Speaker 1: way of that. And if we let this happen and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be able to do this and
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  Speaker 1: my funding is supposed to be exactly for cure. Funding
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  Speaker 1: is hard to come by, I know, I can tell you,
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  Speaker 1: especially these days from what they hear. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if if that's exactly case, but there's always all
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  Speaker 1: sorts of factors. Yeah, what do you think about all that? Phil?
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  Speaker 1: I just was thinking about, Um, you're talking about the
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  Speaker 1: willow growing away. I just immediately think of Pocahontas the film.
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  Speaker 1: His character named grandmother Willow. I'm sure you guys are
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  Speaker 1: really into this right now. I'd love to hear more. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: she's just a willow tree that gives sage advice. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know, growing growing towards the sound of
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  Speaker 1: the water. That sounds like a good idea. Do you
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: know Neil Young song Pocahonas. That's a hell of a song.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Marlon Brando, you know that one? Cal No,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think I do. Yeah, well, yeah it's a
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: good one. So uh, big news is not entirely fresh
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: news are Season eight is out been out Netflix, um
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: eight brand speak ay new episodes therefore available for streaming
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: right now and go watch them all. One fell swoop.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: And we had a lot of questions coming about the season,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: and we asked all kinds of questions about the show,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: but we never like tackle them head on. So we're
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: gonna tackle questions about our new season like the most
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: pressing questions. And we had tons of how many do
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: we think I need to make a little plugs. I
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: feel like listening to this and you haven't seen all
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: the episodes yet? Is that possible? It is? It is
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: because I know somebody a big meet or fan too,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: hasn't Netflix. No. James Miller, you know him. You've had
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: dinner at his house. Yeah, we talked about them all
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the time. He's a little he's old school, right. He
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: still serves up a invoice that he writes on his
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: nineteen two typewriter. He's he's good at it. But he
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: has Netflix at home. The kids use Netflix, but he's
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: just like not willing to go over that hurdle of
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: figuring it out. So whatever small percentage that is. But
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: like I tell Jimmy, I'm gonna tell everybody else, it's
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: not that difficult sign up. I think Netflix is still
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: less than ten bucks a month? Am I right there?
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's somewhere around ten bucks a month. No,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: they make it like incredibly easy. It's like the smartest
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: people in the room. Man figuring out how to make
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: stuff easy. Running cable is harder, like direct TV. Well,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: this guy tiles people's houses. He tiles luxury homes, He's like,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I can tile a luxury home, but I can't get
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: my TV to work. Come on, I'm just saying that
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: that's that small fraction of people are out there. You
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: know what. I want to tell them, It's easy. You
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: didn't do it. In my never ending quest for beaver
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: trapping permissions, I was out surveying no Old Feller's uh
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: beaver problem not too far from here at all, and
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: he was real curious about why I had free time
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the week. I'll be like, dude,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: oh I do is work, man, It's happened right now.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I have a couple minutes ago. Take a look. But
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: um we got talking. I'm trying to explain what I do.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: And Ben, I'm like, well, you know like Netflix. It's like, dude,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: that's great, man. I hope you never found out. And
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: he tells he goes and you know, I did watch
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: a video once on that YouTube that's the same guys like,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: so you uh see a fiddle with your phone there?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: You call that work? Do you like? Uh? Yeah, yeah
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I do. I had. I was at the Museum the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Rockies last night. You like to go to that little thing? Yeah,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: because you get like a free beer and learn about something. Well, yeah,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: it's the learning about something. And what's great is, um,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you can just go check out the museum without paying
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: a bunch of other folks there. You know, you pay,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: it's fifteen bucks, I think, and you get three beers
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: and smappetite. Well the old for the appetizers shops in history?
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Is that the name of the program. Yeah, it's like
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: bruise under the Big Sky? How often do you go
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: when I'm in town? It's the last Tuesday of every month.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Is it like a pickup scene down there? Um? Boy,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: you'd have to really broaden your age range, like like
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: the median age in diction that most people don't want
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: to broaden. Yeah, yeah, you're looking at you know, I'm
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: gonna say six for ish, kind of younger than than
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I typically describe it to people. But it's sweet anyway.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: There's this uh Um, the curator for the paleontology department
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: gave a talk on extinct mammals and it's always Montana Central.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know what you sent me a thing
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I have not gone. It's great trying to raise a family,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: man um, and uh I had gone up like probably
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: every jackass does to a paleontologist. I'm like, so I
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: got a bone I want you to check out and
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: that's a rock and she yeah, and she was very nice. Uh.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: And it was just really funny though, because I'm like,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: did you have your famous tooth with you? Like, let
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: me whip this out? Um? I I had. Well, so
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: she studied under your buddy down at Texas A and
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: m Meltzer. Meltzer, Yeah, David Meltzer, and she kind of
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: knew that crew down there. I wouldn't go as far
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: as to call my body. I had to say my
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: hero hero yes. Um. And so that was kind of funny.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: But then this guy comes up and he turns to
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: the paleontologist he says, hey, you did a great talk,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and then he turns to me and goes, and you
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: had a great season. Yeah, And I was like, I
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: kind of feel like an athlete of some sort. I
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: had a great season. Yeah. It was funny. So did
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: you go down there by yourself? Know that friend of
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: mine Andrea meet up with three down there? Yeah? Down there,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: drove down former roommates, drove separate cars. Yeah. Yeah, we
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: dated a long time ago, and now you drive around
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: separate everywhere. Well, I got that out of her system. Yeah, yeah,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: all the questions, you know who, we had a lot
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: of questions, but the three thousand plus and then but
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: they paired it down to thirty one. But uh, there's
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: some of the questions. When I was pruising them, I
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: found some questions that are on the I know. That's
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: why I said we should have done it together. You know,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: like there was one like how come Uh, it's like,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: how come there's curse words words? Yeah, I'm like, I'm
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: much surprised how few curse words are in there. Yeah,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I didn't feel like there was a lot of cursing.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what they were talking about, but
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I've heard it from numerous people. Did curl your hair
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: if you Yeah, it's not like we're like, it's not
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: like we sit around. We're like, you know what and
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: and uh, here here's where we'll put in a curse word. Yeah.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: And what are you comparing it to Pocahonna's Grandma Willow? Yeah,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: when we're on that raccoon has a foul mouth. You
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: know those movies like when they're watching like a I
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: don't know, like a like Fast and Furious or whatever,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: they're like ha, this is horrible people cursing. Oh um, yeah,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I'm alta shocked how few there are. Well, I feel
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: like we cut a lot of we cut a lot
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: of them out. I feel like bad curse words we
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: beat m But you gotta leave the beep in there
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: and the beep curse word because it's it shows the
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: emotion that was going through the person at that moment
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: when Ronnie being got a chegg by that b that's right. People,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: we don't we hang with I don't feel like because
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: they're foul people, right, They just at times when emotions
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: run high, they tend to use a foul word, which
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I think in the proper context is okay. We don't
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: hang around with sailors, so to speak. No, I'm not
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: good at sailing. Is there a difference between what was
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: coming out on cable and what's coming out on Netflix?
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Do you think? No? I haven't. No, I don't. I
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: don't think that there's any No. I don't know. I
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: have to go like review because I just don't think
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I feel like now and then like someone will say
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: like whatever, someone will say some little kind of innocuous
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: swear word. But you know the other thing I wonder
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: about is like, I don't know. Um, I'm not in jail. Uh,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I grew up like I can, I'm gonna I can,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: dang sure, I can, dang sure tell you that what
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I when I grew up, I would I was you know,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: my my father hung out with a colorful crew of
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: individuals and my mother would get a little mad now
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: and then. And I was exposed as a young child
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: to dirty words. And I'm not in jail. I just
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: don't know if that's gonna be like the end of
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: someone to hear right, is it gonna be? It? Is it?
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Is it gonna be the end of someone to hear word?
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: And then their parents have to say, he just said
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: that word. He's older, don't say that. No, it's such
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: a self serving read in it. I'm gonna throw my
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: wife onto the bus because she's like, well, I don't
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: want my kids running around saying you know shit. I
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: heard someone else's boys say ship the other day. You know,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: it's like, come on, Like, if my kids starts running
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: around saying it all the time, I'm gonna sit down
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and have a conversation about when you say that when
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: you don't White kids shouldn't say it, you know, Yeah,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: we have words for our kids. There's words you just
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: can't ever ever say. Yeah, your kids know them all,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: don't they know? They don't know them all all but one.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: And then there's one they don't know. They'll never know it.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: So there's like words like they just hear stuff. I
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: mean they get they hang out with their uncle. I
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: don't know, they just they hear stuff. You're walking, you're
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: walking around at night and you trip on a matchbox
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: car and kids are always looking for that too, because
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I don't know what that word is,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: so what is it? If their mom says, if I
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: say something is in one, you're now with the other.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: If their mom says something, they just fall in love
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: with it. There's like something about like you know what
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, it does that. I just dadd it. But
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: their mom like trips on a matchbox car in the
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: middle of night, hurts her foot. That word becomes a
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: big part of everybody's life for a few days. They
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: all love it. But I'm like, there's like words you
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: do not like you are for I know you heard it,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: never say that word. Then there's like we're explain why, right, Well,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: you're get in trouble and people think you're a loser.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: And then there's words were like yeah, I get it,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: you can stay in the house around us, but don't
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: definitely don't say it at school. Well, you and I
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: had conversation with your oldest when we're heading out to
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I think set uh crayfish traps over the summer where
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, well, ah, you probably shouldn't say it,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Like you gotta understand, like in certain circles, that would
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: be like the equivalent of you, like cutting somebody's head
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: off like that, right, Like you gotta It's it's hard
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: to like say, like so around here passable, you know
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the net house over that would be like the kids
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: going too bad without dinner and I'm gonna get locked
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: up for a type of thing, right, Like how do
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: you explain it? Like you guys got a hard job. Yeah,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I like it. It's interesting to argue about or explain
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: to kids. Be like you have these things like these
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: words um and like we all agree that yellow like
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: when we look, we agree that there's a word y
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: E L l O W and that word represents this color.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: And that's like how language functions. And you saw this
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: weird thing into it where there's like other words um
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: that we've all agreed are bad, but we use them
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: all the time. It's like you get into it's hard. Yeah,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: sounds hard, and you're like, well, why those ones? You know,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know what. We just have all agreed that
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: that's bad and you need to get and you need
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: to get on board. Sign on the dotted line. Yeah,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: we step back and look at it. It's quite childish
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: really to have those words like homett. So I know
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: hundreds of words you tell me that don't say that one. No, No,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that's right, that one don't use you know what those
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: some what's a what's a language? Uh? Professor, researcher And
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: so if you get into like the sort of history
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: of a word, it's the etymology. I don't know if
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: there are etymologists, but I know linguists study um. But
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I guess we just have to have them for times
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: of extreme whatever happenstance and emotion. That's why we have
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to have those words. That's why there's some I've been
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: using the word naughty. That's why there's some naughty. Like
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: if there's naughty words in the show, I guess I
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: would generally rather than not be there. Uh mean, we
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: don't go out our way to put them in there,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: but there's a lot of things that happened. They're like,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: it's it's a style of filming. Um. Yeah, it's like
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: like verity filming. It's like a style of filming where
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: there's there's an artifice to it because you're putting people,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: You're you're inviting people to come and hang out and
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: be on the show, and people are aware there's cameras
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: aimed at them, and it's artifice. There's uh there's a
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: performance taking place, but in the case of the show,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: we do it like the performance is a real thing
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: that people actually do, meaning that what you're watching would
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: feasibly would feasibly be happening in the absence of cameras,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: and in fact, most of people that are engaged in
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: it would probably almost absolutely be doing that or something
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: very similar in the absence of the camera. But you know,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: there's cameras there, and it's not like a surprise. Everybody
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: knows they're they're there thirty six inches away from your
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: face sometimes, Like so it's a it's a it's a
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: distorted reality, but only slightly di started and you are
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: trying to capture real people in real moments and experiencing
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: real things and real emotions, and oftentimes you get those
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: in those moments come with um naughty words like naughty
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: or dirty. Better Maggie for the words description, dirty words,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: curse words. There are dirty words that will happen, and
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: it would be when you weigh out, uh, like getting
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: rid of the moment in order to sanitize for for
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: people's sensitivities around language. You just kind of have this thing,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: something's happened, where like that's a great moment, but that's
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: just too much, you know, it's too much, too much naughty,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: too dirty to what's your take on the folks? Instead
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: of saying funing they get they say freaking. Oh man,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I would get in so much trouble when I was
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: a kid for that. He said, freaking. My dad hated
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: it because you're basically saying we've caught our older boys
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: saying it freaking. We're like, no, no, no no, no, it's
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: the same thing. I have the same person of my dad.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: It's like, my dad's like, we're going to treat it
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: like you just said it because you're saying it, Yeah,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: you're playing a game. I remember the the worst bust
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: that we ever really care about the kids doing it.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I want to know how you feel about like adults,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: because I know some adults that have like a I say,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: a clean esque so they lead a clean as you know,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: path through life. And so instead of saying the real
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: course where they say freaking, I'm like, yeah, but I
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: do it, but I do it now. And then Rogan's
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: teased me for saying freaking and uh, and the guys,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: the um the outfitters were with him wyoming. They don't
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: like to swear. Did you catch them saying freaking? No? No,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: definitely not. Yeah, no, I told you I honor. They're
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: like they have like they have they speak with honor,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: honorable lives and speak with honor. But they will say
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: like something like son of the Buck or something like that,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, that's like really like a conscious
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: decision to like portray a conscious decision to with your
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: language demonstrate a ethic or you know, um, and yeah,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I'm in her. I guess I'm just interesting language. The
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: worst time I was really quick story because I remember
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: it so vividly, The worst time we got busted, Like
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I think the moment when we all knew that we
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: all swore a lot, and our dad knew we swore
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: a lot. Was my brother Matt. We had a live
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: well like my dad. You know those things like bread racks.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: If you go to a grocer store, you know that
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: they got that thing. You roll around and it's got
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: those plastic mesh shelves and you put all the loaves
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: of bread on there. My old man would make live
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: wells by getting one, two, three, six of those and
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: zip tieing them together and then put attaching styre foam
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: floats and making a hinged lid, so just be like
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: a like a plastic mesh box that could float around.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: You tie it to the end of your dock and
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: you can put fishing there. And I remember we got
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: back from we've been fishing open night of bass season,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: like going out at midnight, and we caught a bunch
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: of bass and threw him in the live well, and
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: someone didn't fasten the lid down, and I remember Matt
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: laying on the end of our dock, like bending over
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: at the waist. So he's laying on the dock but
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: bent over at the waist, fishing around in the live well.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Distraught about all the fish that got away, like they
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: someone didn't close the latch, and he's down there just
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: carrying on. And I look and here's the old man
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: coming out the dock. But also he's just like there
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: and it's too late, and mag can't seeks his heads
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: down in the live well and he's just curse like
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: raising hell, and my dad's coming and I can't notify
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: him because I'd get busted notifying him. Oh yeah, I
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: remember being like, oh man, now everybody just knows everything.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: It's all out in the open. They will never be
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: the same. And of the innocence. A question for Maggie
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: that came up. There's two questions. My favorite people say,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: what's my was My favorite episode of workout was one
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: of the magazine Meg and Tracy. It's the best episode,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Maggie's first turkey hunt. Screwed it up. Just watch it.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: It's great. Yep, now everyone can see that I screwed
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: it up. Can watch it on repeat. By far, my
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: favorite episode. So Maggie went through hunter safety. Um. But
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: the episode ends and you're talking about how you wanted
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: to go back out, and you said you go back
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: out on Wednesday, and some persons like that, you go
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: back out on Wednesday. I unfortunately did not too much
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: work to do, but Yannie gotta go out. Yeah, edit
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: have as much work to do. Oh yeah, if you
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: watch the if you watch the episode we're talking about,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: you know, the bird sneaky Pete. Yeah, and yeah he
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: went back and got my ass hand to me again.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I was I was pretty much brining his breasts as
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I was sitting there in the dark. I mean I
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: couldn't have been definitely closer than fifty yards the tree
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: that I was leaning against, the tree that he was
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: perched in. And when you went back solo, Yeah, I
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: thought there was no way. And it was funny too
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: because I snuck in there in the dark and I
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: hadn't heard him gobble. I sit down, and I was
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: there for at least but you just knew where he'd be.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: He was in the same tree man every time. So yeah,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I was going I was going for broke hero or zero.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I kind of ended up with something in between, because
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I got the hero because I sat there for ten
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: minutes in the dark long enough to start second guessing
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: myself and to think, well, maybe I should try to
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: salvage the morning and go look for you know, trying
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: to strike up another gobbler, and all of a sudden gobbles.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, he's right there, you know, and I'm
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: here and I haven't like moved, I haven't no noise
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: for ten minutes, like no call and nothing. I wasn't
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: gonna call. I was gonna just let him fly down
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: in front of my gun barrel. And at that point
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: we were like, hey, but do you want to just
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: jump in the truck. It was basically over. Yeah, pretty much. Man.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I did know what strip was because we had hanging
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: right here in our studio, uh, our our probability thing. Yeah,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: he had two landing strips that we knew of that
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: we knew knew that he had, you know, kind of
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: we never saw him actually fly down, but we he
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: would appear and we'd see which way he went, and
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: twice we watched him, so we knew he had gone
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: two different directions. I definitely had one. It was the
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: same direction that we set up Maggie and I set
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: up where we had him come by us. I had
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: set up on that same sort of general old path.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I thought I had set up kind of choked in
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: tight enough on him that if he went to the
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: other way, I would catch a glimpse of him. Well, somehow,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't He didn't gobble as hard
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: as he had earlier in the week that morning, and
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: maybe got twenty gobbles off the tree, and then he
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: hit the ground and didn't make another peep until he
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: was yards away. Where did he hit the ground, like,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: let's say he's at the center of the clock you're
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: at I don't know for sure, but somewhere between three
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: and nine, you know, so on the far end of
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: the clock. If but if he so, wouldn't work just
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: to lean against Sneaky Pete's tree because he pitches up
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: too far out. Plus, how are you going to get
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: in there? Because he got all day to get in there,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: and when he's coming out. For a fact, Sneaky Pete
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: comes back to the same tree every night. Why can't
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: you sit with your back to the tree. You could
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: do that for sure. Why didn't you guys? This was
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: a morning hunt? Why why didn't you do that? Well,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: we just about did. Why didn't you do it that
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: night when you went back solo? I did that. I
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: was a morning hunt. When you just hang out and
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: then because I was at work by like hunted in
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: for an hour and left. We did go out though
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: one other morning, but not sneaky Pete. Yeah, Maggie, I
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: went hunting turkeys and other more so you did do
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: a turkey return. Yeah, but we didn't even have the
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: same zone though. We just we just wanted locally here
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: in Bozeman. Nothing, nothing, not even I was very impressed with.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: And I kind of want to know if this is
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: like this for people that watched the episode. But um,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I had bumped into Maggie earlier this week or last week.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I said, I mean, I haven't watched that yet. I
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: gotta watch that. And then uh watched it, and I
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: was amazed at like how even though I knew what
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: the outcome was, how I was like, shoot at like
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I wanted Maggie to have that type of success so
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: badly that like part of my brain was still like
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: she can still make it happy. When we started cutting
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: the episode, months went by, we started calling the episode.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: In the minute I finally got to watch, I wasn't
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: there at the moment and I was off doing my
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: own thing. When I got to watch the footage, I
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: just immediately called her for me like four times. I
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: was like, I just I just don't understand what what
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: you're thinking? I was too much thinking too much. It's frozen.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna have you? Did you hear from people
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: that when the show came out? Did you hear people
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: you hadn't heard from in a long time? Yeah, a
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: lot of people from high school? And what do they
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: have to say? Like, what were you thinking? They were
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: just still No one called you a dog on you.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I think they were more like jealous of the opportunity
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: that I was given high schoolers tons of Minnesota. Yeah,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: tons of guys from high school. I from high school
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: and the old flames people don't say people will say
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: that anymore. Well I was, I was a nerd in
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: high school. So is there right? Huh? Yeah? Bad val Victorian?
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Is that right? Good deal? Meg? I made a lot
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: of friends by helping people cheat. Um, you can do
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: a little hunt in this fall. It's not on the
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: agenda right now, but I wouldn't be against it. You
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: don't have a single hunt planned. That's not true, because
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I heard a rumor this morning about a little hunt plan.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I thought maybe with HANSI, but he already did duck camp.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't know he was done. He just did it
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: for like a week. Oh yeah, but you don't you
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: just want to do like the early mornings around here. Yeah, yeah,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: we didn't make that happen. Okay. I heard someone mentioned
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: getting you out on a little white tailed dough excursion
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: began this is what I heard. You're willing, but you haven't.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Like so what You're one of the people we always
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: hear about. There's this big conversation in this country and
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: in the sporting community about uh, our three and what
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: our three is? In and in and in and and
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: and and recruitment, retention, reactivation of hunters. Um my brother
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: is vehemently opposed to it, and and I understand where
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: he's coming from, Like, why would you want more people
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: on the woods? Sorry? Crowded? But um, you're like a
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: case study because the thing is you can what they
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: find is you can take it. You get a new hunter,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: you take them out hunting, you show them a great time. Um,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: but then they don't go out. They don't go out
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: there like, oh, that was the greatest thing I've ever seen.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad I did it. But then they don't,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: on their own volition go back out so what is
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: preventing you too? Busy, really busy. But I don't know.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I think like to go with other people. I still
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: think I have a lot to learn. You need more
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: and I feel like tote more confidence out there were toutelage. Yes,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: but I have a lot to learn, and I go
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: out by myself as much as I can. Yeah. Yeah,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I'm still intimidated by it too. Yeah.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Where do you think Meggie is in the oar threes?
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Because technically she's been recruited, I mean because she bought
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: the license, right, it's still it's still recruitment phase. Yeah,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: it's not like reactivation. It's like you went out turkey. Yeah,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: she might be somewhere between recruitment and she might be
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: like our one point five another. Okay, go ahead and
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: rip one out. Question. I got a I got a
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: couple of saves. Man, Well, why don't you go let
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: me look at this list? Oh you want to take
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: a look at the list? I got NB one. Uh,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: how do you all spend so much time together and
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: yet maintain such good friendship? That's a good question, but
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: it doesn't Uh, we don't have the problem of Um,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know why you don't. We don't have the
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: problem with people getting of we had directed directly at
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: you and I when I read it, and I think
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: that they have a distorted view of how much time
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: we spend together. I spend more time with you than
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I do with my wife. Come on, not quite. Yeah,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: spend a lot of time together, but nuts on a dog.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, look at it now. We've been trying to
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: have a meeting for at least a week because we
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: haven't been out filling it and we haven't had it.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: We haven't been able to get that done. Okay, I'll
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: never see you, Johnnie. I don't know. We get into
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: we have some scuffles. Yeah, but I was gonna say
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: if we had the time, we'd probably we'd hang out
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: more because we'd go hunting and fishing together. But rise,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: um to guilt ridden more. At home, we're trying to
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: be like how you're supposed to act. And in the
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: wintertime I turned into a skier and you don't know
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: you like ski Maggie raced growing up. It was not
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: an Annie's level. But um, yeah, I don't think that
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: it's I've never had it. Uh, We've had some disagreements
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: but never had uh, never had a problem. But I
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: think it also really it's something that like reinforced itself
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: because at this point, if we were going to not
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: get along, we have not gotten along a long time ago.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: That's right, But there's something to be said that, like
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: a huge part of this job is communication too, and
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: you guys are practiced skilled communicators, so and that's just
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: not something a lot of folks are good at and obviously,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: oh you guys probably aren't good at it twenty four
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: hours a day. You mean, the ability to always be like,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: here's what I'm thinking. Here's what I'm thinking. I understand
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: where you're coming from, but here's what I'm thinking. Let
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: me explain this again. This is yeah, right, not a
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: whole lot of tongue biting. Yeah yeah, that's actually probably. Um,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: the lack of tongue biting can burn I probably can
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: burn things out, but I think it's like done in
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: the right way with a certain level of maturity. Um,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: a lack of tongue biting is probably good. Absolutely, I
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: would agree a hundred percent. Maggie's very good at this.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: She lack of tongue biting. Yeah, yeah, because you I
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: said something to Maggie. UM, and she immediately clarified, like, hey,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: you you said this to me. This is like a
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: five minute time lapse. Is this what you intended by that?
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh god, no, I was like
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: I was just joking around and really yeah. And and
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: in turn, I said, hey, thank you very much for
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: for you know, following up on that, because that would
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: have been that rather than spending all week thinking you
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: meant something, you said something that you didn't say for
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: months for some people. Right. And then it's like, well
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Ryan thinks this, Well, thanks very I think that's part
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: of just my job too. Yeah, let one rip, Ronnie Man,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: you got one, I know, you gotta go. You want
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: to pick one out? Do one? Then you can pick
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: one out. In the Blue Mountain Bugle episode, which is
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: the Archery Elk episode in Washington, Um, we lost some
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: of that elk me in this uh fellow road in
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Can I say their Instagram handle? No? I would. I
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: kind of like his. I like it too. How much
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: meat did you love? Is from that elk? And how
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: do you decipher between good and spoiled meat? That's a
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: great question because it's hard to do. And I had
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: now in hindsight, and we spent a lot of time
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: farting around with it. Yeah, in hindsight, I feel that
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: I was, Um, I'm trying to think. I don't know
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: if it be I was gonna say that I was
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: too conservative or too liberal, but I don't know which
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: how we will apply here in hindsight, Um, I was
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: thinking things were closer to bad than they were because
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: nothing I've pulled out of my freezer and thought, whatever,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: that smells like a smell of souring flesh, and once
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: it gets in your nose, it's like trapped in your
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: nose for a long time. I think, And I think
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: that you start psyching yourself out and you're thinking that
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: everything right. You can't get like a clean you can't
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: almost get like a clean palate. So thoughts of out
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: of my freezing now, I thought out and like smells
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: smells like elk, Yeah, but smell any other way. Well, No,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: remember that morning we were I don't know if it
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: was maybe it was the afternoon, and it was the
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: afternoon before that, our last afternoon they after we had
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: packed it out, we were taking chunks of meat off
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: a certain areas that were questionable and cooking them yeah,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: and doing a little just fried in the pan will
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: catch up on the side. I took some pictures of
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: that taste testing. Yeah, because you can get like some
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: iridescent meat coloration, right, just like even at home, we're
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: kind of you can see it in the meat counter
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: now then yeah, yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: with iridescence. It doesn't mean that it's getting fresh. It
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: doesn't you're a desk on the carcass. Yeah, but yeah,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: so it's hard to like, yeah, just do a visual inspection.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: And obviously the nose can give you away. The one
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: big game animal that I've got where it was just
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: you couldn't do anything with it. Um, we did, like
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: the smell thing was just getting overwhelming, and we would
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: cook pieces of it and butter and then go out.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: We're like processing it in the kitchen, cook pieces and
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: buttered and go outside to just get in the total
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: fresh air and then taste it. And everybody you're like, god,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: it is not like we were, like, it is not
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: in my imagination, man, It is rank that bull I
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: lost in New Mexico this year. I started cutting the
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: thing open, and um, the bile was coming up through
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: the ham m m really yes, Like it was swelled
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: up so badly that the height it like lifted off
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: of the face and everything. But I was like, well,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: because it was less than twenty four hours, and I
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: was like, well, the if something's gonna be good, it's
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: gonna be it's got to be like the top of
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: this backstrap because it's not underneath the weight of the elk.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: And then when it'd gotten like the full effect of
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: the sun and and yeah, man, I peeled that hide
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: back and and like bile was coming up like impossibly,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: it seemed through the meat. H Uh. I wanna give
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: this a cleaner answer. Lost more meat than I'd would
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: ever want to have happened again, like top chunks of
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: the back, hams, anything around the ball, joint um, tenderloins.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: It's like some of the like the part the on
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: the downside, part of the animal, like the like the
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: heavy part of the shoulder, A lot of stuff. I mean,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: some of the knack um, but certainly not. But I
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: mean it's like it was felt like a real disaster
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, I mean, just who wants to remember
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: one time losing uh, killing the bull one night with
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: my bro and I don't know why we thought I
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: was gonna get cold that night, and we were afraid
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: to open it up because of grizzly bears. And we're like,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: let's just gonna sleep for a little bit and come
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: back right at daybreak. And we had lost just handfuls
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: of meat from around the ball joints on the back
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: legs and being like, man, I'll never have that happen again,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: And it happened again. But in terms of like the testing,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: I think there's I guess it's like there's there's three things.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Some of it like the bull I'm talking about that
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: lost my brother when we didn't want to guts we
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: didn't want bears to find it or to decrease whatever
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: percent decrease the chances of a bear finding by not
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: gutting it um and just not know, not want to
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: be out there all night massing with it, just being
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: dumb and lazy. Uh. Color greenish blue, like greenish blue
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: color you can get like meat will sour and will
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: get a color to it, and you know what you're
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: looking at when you see it, you buy that yeah smell.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: And then finally the I guess the only the one
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: that the only one that really matters is taste, and
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: so sometimes you'll see it it'll be green greenish blue
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: and have a bruised look to it. That's souring. And
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: then the smell is just it smells like what you
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: think it smells like. It smells like something that's starting
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: to rot. And the taste'll start to get slimier too. Yeah,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: that's a good point. Very soft rotten meat is soft.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: You can you can put a finger into it. You
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: can run a finger into rotten meat. Yeah, if you've
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: I've been thinking about that lates. I've been doing some butchering,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: and you can definitely. Um, just when I start handling
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: the meat, I'm thinking to myself, this is gonna be
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: tender or this is not gonna be tender eating And
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: certainly the longer it hangs, the more it gets that. Yeah,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: because you can get or I have messing around with aging,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: you get that enzyme layer. It's kind of like, all
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, you have an extra layer of liquid
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: on the meat that wasn't there before. Um, that's a
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: that's real roll of the dice. It's like, you know,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: you gotta do something with it right then. But yeah,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: oddly enough, never lost anything doing that that's some tender
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: meat you got when you want to rip out now, Maggie, Yeah,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: just because you know I'm part of the production team.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: What's the hardest part of hunting with a large production team?
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Does it ever play a role on how many chances
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  Speaker 1: you had with animals? There's some things you gain, some things.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: There's some things you gained you things you lose alto.
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  Speaker 1: Don't think our team after being out there is that big.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you guys really go you know, small team
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  Speaker 1: well when you comparative being by yourself for people's a
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  Speaker 1: lot or whatever. There's things you gain and things you lose. Um,
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  Speaker 1: the extra eyeballs are absolutely nice, especially when you're just
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  Speaker 1: having like a big old glass in session on top
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  Speaker 1: of a hill and you're not spooking anything anyways, you're
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  Speaker 1: just looking. It's like the extra eyeballs. It's great. And
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  Speaker 1: we have some camera guys that even bring their own binoculars.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing to do. They like to glass. They just
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: think it's fun to glass. And yeah, you pick up
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  Speaker 1: They pick up a lot of stuff, so you're seeing
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  Speaker 1: a lot more stuff up close. It's just harder. Water
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  Speaker 1: foul is just harder. It's just harder. Um, all in all,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's definitely not beneficial all in all, but um,
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  Speaker 1: you know the extra eyeballs is interesting. Mhm uh. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: up close stuff is can be tough. Yeah, And um,
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  Speaker 1: there's a tendency. I think the on camera people have
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  Speaker 1: a tendency to want to blame everything on the camera people.
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  Speaker 1: That's the first place I go. Someone did something like
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  Speaker 1: I never speak anything. It's always he's ever with me,
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  Speaker 1: right uh. And and there's a spirited there's a there's
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  Speaker 1: a there's like a spirited friendly tension um that goes
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  Speaker 1: on where you're paying people to do a job, and
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  Speaker 1: their job is to film stuff, and they need to
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  Speaker 1: film the stuff, and so there a good camera guy
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  Speaker 1: um is willing to take whatever abuse they need to
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  Speaker 1: take to like respectfully get the coverage they need to get.
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  Speaker 1: On the other hand, from my perspective, I'm like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: interested in making a good show. A thing that will
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  Speaker 1: help us have a good show is having some action.
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  Speaker 1: You're preventing us from having a good show, yes, by
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: fidgeting around too much, but it never comes to blows.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be curious your honest's perspective on it. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I have much to add. Thank you pretty
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  Speaker 1: much at the nail and head there. Um Ducks is
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  Speaker 1: tough play a role in how many chance you had
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  Speaker 1: with the animals. I really like um that. You know, you're,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, you're paying people to round a camera
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  Speaker 1: and the people that run cameras part of what they're
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  Speaker 1: doing is always looking for like pretty things and interesting things.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like that's it's just I I enjoy
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  Speaker 1: being in the woods with people who are like, it's
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  Speaker 1: not a big giant bow elk, but it's just like
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  Speaker 1: a really cool, you know, lin covered rock, or you know,
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of little detail things that are really cool
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  Speaker 1: that make up a good experience in the woods. And
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  Speaker 1: and I always like that. But there are always those
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  Speaker 1: times where you're like, yeah, I wouldn't have been moving
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  Speaker 1: right there, but it took us a long time to
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  Speaker 1: get over here. It's it. We put a lot of
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  Speaker 1: pressure on him. It's a tough job because if they
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  Speaker 1: don't get the shot in the field because they were
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  Speaker 1: sitting behind you, because all the hunters never want the
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  Speaker 1: camera guys to get out in front of them for
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  Speaker 1: obvious reasons, you know they're gonna break the skyline before
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  Speaker 1: you do, they're not gonna be looking etcetera, etcetera. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But then when we get back and you're in the
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  Speaker 1: editing studio, like, where's the shot? How come there's no
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  Speaker 1: shots of me walking out the camera? It's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: dumb mass because you were yelling to stay behind and
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  Speaker 1: stay low the whole time, you know. So it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make for a fun edit or interesting at it either.
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  Speaker 1: But it's just behind the good the good guys, the good,
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  Speaker 1: really good ones. They know it so well and they've
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  Speaker 1: been out so much that they know, like you're going
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  Speaker 1: up a hill and they'll know if they want to
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  Speaker 1: get out front to get a walking towards shot. They're
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  Speaker 1: like reading the landscape all the time and they know
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  Speaker 1: that like at the top of the hill, they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: shoot me if I crest over the top of the
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  Speaker 1: hill before they get there, and so they'll like run
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  Speaker 1: out and get their shots. And they're kind of like
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  Speaker 1: watching the top of the hill thing because then they
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  Speaker 1: know at the top of the hill they better be
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  Speaker 1: back behind you in case you crest over and see something.
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  Speaker 1: And they start to it's fun when I can't when
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  Speaker 1: you get someone who's so so schooled in it that
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  Speaker 1: they're that they're doing all that in their head. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they know like when you get up to spot and
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  Speaker 1: you first sit down the glass, they know to hold tight.
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  Speaker 1: Then you kind of like get a good look around.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's nothing immediately around. They'll get up and
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  Speaker 1: do what they gotta do and and then it's fun.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Then the tension levels go way down when
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  Speaker 1: they really know the situation. But we don't have camera
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  Speaker 1: guys that come We don't work with camera guys that
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  Speaker 1: really come out of a hunting background. That's a tough
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  Speaker 1: thing to find. Yeah, I would ride of someone that
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: knows how to film more than those how to hunt.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's probably easier to learn. You've come around then, yeah, slowly,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: begrudgingly I have. I have. I mean it'd be great both,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: but yeah, but grudgingly I have because it's just the one,
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  Speaker 1: like no one which shooters just work the best, right,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: you know, the shooters we have that are just like such.
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  Speaker 1: We have a bunch of great shooters, but the shooters
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  Speaker 1: we have that are just really special ones that are
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  Speaker 1: kind of like part of the family. They didn't come
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  Speaker 1: out of that m hm. You know they always have
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  Speaker 1: lens cloths. That's great. Yeah, when my binoculars get messed up,
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  Speaker 1: like Leah, they know how to keep stuff dry. How
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  Speaker 1: much scouting goes into each of the new locations you hunt, man,
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  Speaker 1: it's that's a weird. While I try to answer this
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  Speaker 1: one quickly because I feel like we talked about it,
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  Speaker 1: so we go to we're always filming in new places.
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  Speaker 1: We're rarely filming in a place that we hang out
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  Speaker 1: a whole bunch. But we have fashionally over the years
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  Speaker 1: developed such a network of contacts and can kind of
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  Speaker 1: really like find anyone anywhere within two or three phone calls.
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  Speaker 1: Usually that it's we don't scout the way most people
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  Speaker 1: are forced to scout. We like a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: to scout, like the old fashioned way, like map breeding,
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  Speaker 1: you know, looking at airal images, which we do. But
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  Speaker 1: a lot of our stuff, just as we know so
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  Speaker 1: many people and are well connected, that a lot of
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  Speaker 1: our scouting is people being like, yea, I'm at a
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  Speaker 1: hunting it two years ago, and you should check this out,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: check that out, check this out, check that out. Um,
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  Speaker 1: we just have a different scouting method. Yeah, as far
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  Speaker 1: as species go, we don't really dive into deep because
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  Speaker 1: usually well, I don't know. I think we like learning
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  Speaker 1: kind of on the go while we're there, and it
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  Speaker 1: makes for interesting content when we're learning while we're filming,
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  Speaker 1: right because you can then kind of sort of take
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  Speaker 1: the view along with you through that ride about what
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: you're learning, whether it's about the landscape or the animals. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But I think sometimes it can hurt us too when
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  Speaker 1: you get like one, we have a busy schedule, so
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  Speaker 1: it's not like we have one big hunt lined up
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  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm gonna research it all summer long
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  Speaker 1: and go and scout at one time during the summer
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  Speaker 1: and get ready for it. We have a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: hunts going on. So sometimes I feel like it hurts
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  Speaker 1: because we're just not doing as much research as we could.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: It's we're a little bit flying through the night and uh,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: you know, getting some hot tips from some guys and
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: just hitting the ground going, you know. And it's fine
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: when we have a great time and we have success
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  Speaker 1: and we get it done. But I think that if
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  Speaker 1: you you know, put ten times more effort into the
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  Speaker 1: research and scouting, we would do better. You know, a
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  Speaker 1: good example of one we talked about would be Um
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  Speaker 1: where we filmed, where we filmed started out film him
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  Speaker 1: in the Turkey episode that you, Maggie, Um and Tracy
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  Speaker 1: were in. Is one of the guys we worked with
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  Speaker 1: had heard some birds gobbling right where we started, but
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: then it took five minutes to realize that that's not happening.
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  Speaker 1: And then any sort of like quote unquote scouting that
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: we had done was basically someone saying, hey, there were
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: some birds here whatever last spring or the spring before,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: they were ripping right here, and they weren't there. And
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: then from then on we were just off to the races,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: running around, flying by the seat of your pants, figuring
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: it out. Kelly, got any faiths Um? I mean, there's
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of good stuff on there, but I
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: feel like we kind of hit some of it often.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: But you don't have one killing. I don't have one.
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  Speaker 1: You have there ever been someone someone asked this question?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: This is a good question. Have there ever been any
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: planned episode hunts that have turned out so bad they
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: never aired? I like that question too. The answer is yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Next question one or one one for sure, kind of
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: two one for sure kind of too. So we want
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: to be using a fair bit of one once. Uh
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: you answer refreshment, well, not refreshed. I know which ones
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: I think you're talking about. We did. We we one
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: time did sort of this like homage to mule Deer
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: long ago and told from an ill fated mule Deer
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: hunt pulled footage. But yeah, we've done a hundred and
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: twenty some episodes now something like that. Yeah, and the
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: only one that actually that we just fully didn't use
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: was the bear Hunt, right, yeah, twenty some episodes and
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: there's one time. There's one thing we didn't use. One
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: of my proudest I think sort of I don't know
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: if it's in a acomplishment. I guess it could be
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: an accomplishment, but as a producer of the show is
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: that we went to do another episode of Sooty Grouse
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: with Barbara a second time around, and it wasn't until
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: some point, at some point during that episode, we started thinking,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: you know what, we might have a pretty good prequel
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: to this. We should look at that footage that we
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: think is so bad that there and there is no
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: episode there. And we went and looked at it, and
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: we said, you know what, there is an an episode
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: here and it will be a great prequel to the
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: one with Barbara and so were. I'm proud to have
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: resurrected one that was in the camp. We're not in
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: the camp. How would you say it was in the cards?
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: Just chopped. So someone's wondering one hunting out of state
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: or out of the country, Let's just keep it to
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: out of state. What are the logistics when traveling with
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: the meat and firearms? Firearms are easy, easy to travel with. Uh,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: it's just easy. You take your ammunition. Your ammunition has
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: to be in a box designed to hold ammunition. It's
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: best is to carry your ammunition around in the box
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: that you bought it in. But if you're a handloader
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: or whatever and you use those little plastic what's that
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: company MGM, not MGM M, t M MTM case whatever
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: the hell? You keep your ammo in a box designed
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: to hold ammo and slap a label on it make
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: it obvious it's ammo. Yeah, Like, you're probably going to
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: run into some issues if, for some odd reason you
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: had a bunch of thirty six rounds jammed inside a
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: toothpaste to or Yeah, no, no, no, that would be illegal. Yep, Yeah,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: they're gonna probably question you like, oh no, it's in
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: a box. It's in my travel tooth paste box. They'll
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: not like that. Has Yeah, this box made designed for
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: carrying ammunition. That's a good point. I'm not following that.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: If you just had a box, you think it's great
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: for carrying ammo, but it wasn't like an AMMO box. No,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: it stays specifically, it's got to be designed to carry ammunitions.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: That can't be a toothpaste box. Yeah, And I was
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: thinking along the path of why would somebody make that
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: point specifically. It's probably because I said in a box, Um,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: that can go well, I think in your regular Duffel
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: bag yep, or or in your case. But that being said,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: all these things that we're going to talk about now,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: you should. It depends. It's not so much a T
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: s A. They have some rules too, but the separate
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: airlines have separate rules. So before you fly, you should
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: just go to their web page look up traveling. But
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell people how to do it, and tell
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: people right now, and you're gonna you're gonna try to
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: cloud it by talking about what am I gonna try
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: to cloud because yes, with some airlines you're allowed to
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: put your AMMO in the case, but oftentimes the people
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: at the counter don't know the rules and that puzzles them.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: I always print out the page on the airline website.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: I was building this up as how easy it was,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: and all everybody's doing is making it seem hard. Well,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: just okay, go ahead, Air Canada, man, they are the worst.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: That's why I say we're going to keep it to
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: travel within the country. But I always just print out
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: the page and I say, I was like, hey, I
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: will do whatever you guys want to make this process easier.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: But this is what your airline says to do. Here
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: is that they print out from from your website. I've
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: I've had to do that in the past. Is refer
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: someone to their own policy? Yes, Can I just do
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: it in a very nice way? Can I get back
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: to tell how easy it is a fail safe way.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: A box or two of AAML. I can't have more
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: than seven pounds of it. You gotta get you can't
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: have more. This is per airline. You can't have more
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: than eleven which is which, trust me, is a lot
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: of a box or two of amel in the box
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: you bought it in and put that in your deffel bag.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: Put your deffel bag. Don't just put it in there,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: however you wanna put it in there. And you take
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: your firearm and you get a case and your firearms unloaded,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: and you don't have anything else in the case, and
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: you just have a gun case. It's a hard sided
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: lockable gun case. And you have a t s a
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: lock or a padlock for every lock spot on the case.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: Meaning if there's four padlock holes four padlocks, that's why
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: you want to buy a two padlock hole hard case.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: You get a two padlock whole hard case. I use
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: bot and Pelican. Put your padlocks on there. You walk in,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: you say, I have two bags, a check one of
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: what this is the language I always use, one of
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: which is a firearm. They will then handle all the
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: declaration that says I do hereby swear my gun's empty.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: You sign it, you put it in there. They either
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: put it on the belt or they have you taken
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: over to the excess baggage place and you hang tight
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: because someone's gonna inspect it. They inspect it, make sure
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: it's not pack full of bombs, and then you go
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: on your way. And when you go to pick it up.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: It doesn't come out in the luggage carousel used to
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: not too long ago, but now it will come out
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: in the special bag, like where you go to file
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: a claim. When you they lose your bags, they'll hold it.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: You go and show them your I d they hand
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: your things. Sometimes I put a big zip tie around
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: the box. Nothing to it. It's supposed to all put
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: a big Giants title on it. Man, that sounds easy,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Steve Dude. Easy Now with meat, Man, We've done a
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: hundred things. I'm gonna try to give the most typical way,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: the most typical best way to do it. You go
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: off some other place, you go out of state. Let's
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: say you go to Maryland and you get to seek
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: a deer and you want to bring it home. Um now,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, maybe your uncle has a processing shop. Whatever.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: I'm just talking about, like normal, just normal, how we
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: would do it. We would get our dear, bone it
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: out and leave it in big primary cuts, so like
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: bone the thing out, put it in gallon size ziplocks,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: and in the perfect world, put a good freeze on it,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: or some freeze on it. Get a cold put a
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: freeze on it. Whatever you do and then load it
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: into uh Yetie hoppers. Forties were great forties no longer
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: made the thirties because of Yetie hopper. You're allowed to
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: check fifty pounds per box. If you have a big
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: like a big hard sided cooler, you're eating up your
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: poundage with the cooler, but with the hoppers. The hoppers
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: weigh six seven pounds, so when you check fifty pounds,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: you're actually legit. You're checking forty three pounds of boneless
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: meat and only seven pounds is the cooler. So we
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: zip it into hoppers um and fly home. And then
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: when you get home, thrown in the freezer, or if
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: you got time, sorted out and package at all how
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: you want it. But if not, if we're leaving again
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: on another hunt, we'll take those gallons size zip blocks,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: put them in a freezer, and then in the winter,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: when you get time, pull them back out, let him
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: fall enough to break them apart, trim them whatever you
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: want to do, get him recipe ready, and then go
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: back in the freezer. And people would be like, they'll
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: make this sound that I often they'll make a sound
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: like the dude, the dude, you can't freeze it and
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: then thought and refreeze it the due. You just hear
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: this person on Instagram in the comment section. It's like,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: yes you can, Yes you can. And the reason I
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: know you can is because I have eaten literally thousands
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: of pounds of meat that was frozen and then thought
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: and refrozen and I'm still here, not in jail. What
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: is the reason? Someone leave that comment, like what is this?
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: It's just one of the things that people. You got
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: your you got your people that don't know. M okay,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: you got your people that don't know and they just
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: think you can't because of sanitation whatever. Then you got
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: you're like people who are like Joe wild game mm hm,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: even a lot more Joe. But you've got people who
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: are Joe wild game and they're like, well, no, I
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: actually can't because of the moisture loss and because the
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: food temperature stuff. Yes you can, you can, because we
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: do it all the time and we're all fine. The
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: other thing that I want to throw in here is,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: and I hear this often, if you want, if that
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: meat is near and dear to you and you want
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: to take it home, it can be done. Don't let
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: anybody weary you're at tell you that oh no. Yeah,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: Like sometimes it takes stand up all night and getting
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: things really separated to get them cooled down to an
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: appropriate temperature, but it can be done. I hear horror
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: stories about outfitters really going out of their way to
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: discourage clients wanting to bring their game home because it
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: just adds to the stuff they have to deal with. Yes, yeah, bad.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: I one time was flying out of I can't remember
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: what airport in Florida it was back is Jeff Blue
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: still an airline. They were telling me that it was
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: like Palm Beach or something. They're saying that we have
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: a policy that no one can fly with fish. I'm like,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: that cannot be true. Jeff Lewis telling you that one time.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: And I raised a big stinking and let me check it.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: But someone at the conner try to tell me that
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: you can't fly fish, but you can't fly with fish,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: and they back down, but just flippingly, like just to
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: just to get rid of the half and to deal
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: with it. Can't flay off fish. Yeah yeah, And I,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: um yeah, I've had kind of similar experiences where it's
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: like where you start beating them up a little bit
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: just by asking politely. Have a bunch of different questions,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: and it comes down to, like, let me get the
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: form out Alaska Airlines, that's a fish from hunting friendly airline. Man,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: if you don't have fish, you don't fly and catch
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: Candlelaska Airlines they take your fishing game and go put
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: in the freezer while uh, it goes from the baggage
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: counter into a freezer and then it goes from the
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: freezer a round of the plane when it's time. Do
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: they take fishing game? Serious? Mate? Do you want to
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: make the point though that I personally believe of the
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: opinion that the meat does not have to be frozen.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: A good chill cold is good, But as long as
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: it wasn't radiating heat, I would put it into that
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: hopper and stick it into that plane. It's gonna go
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: into the belly of the plane and then go up
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: to thirty feet where it as cold as hell. That's probab,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be cooling. I mean, unless you're just happy
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: to be flying from Florida to California via Texas and
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: just staying in the hot zone the whole time. But
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: for the most part, it's probably getting colder as you fly.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: Your meat is gonna be fine even if you it
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: was like a very very long day of flying. It's
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: gonna stay cool, it's not gonna warm up. You're gonna
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: be fine. And then you can fly with I think
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: three pounds of dry ice. Really yeah, a couple of
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: chech questions and don't put dry ice and a yetdie
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: hopper and seal it. Oh it'll be other too air tight. Yeah,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: they they we almost can'ton Greuth and I had almost
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: had a couple of meat bombs. We had a couple
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: of scary situations of dry ice and hoppers. If you
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: if you put dry us in the hopp or leave
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: the zipper cracked a little bit, yea, what is that whistling?
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: And I started digging through the back of the handle
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: fire and I'm like, oh my god. I never ever
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: messed with try ice. Man. I had a trick. I
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: got in trouble for talking about this one time. But
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: we had a trick once upon time where this is
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: a hotel trick. You know those ice machines at hotels
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: where you take your a little bucket ice and go
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: out in the hallway and get ice. It's humming away
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: down the hall. Man. We've had I was on it.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: I was doing an NPR interview one time and someone
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: was asking about traveling with fish, and I say, you know,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: it's a good trick because we used to stick fish
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: and keep it chilled in the icemaker at the hotel.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: Just kind of dig a trough in the back and
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: stick your frozen fish back and then and shove the
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: ice back on it. And I can't here, man. Someone
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: the the NPR station got a lot of complaints from
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: hotel you from hotel, from hotel people being pissed about
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: it's smart. Couple questions. Someone says, Steve never uses a
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: spot and scope? What's up with that? Spot scopes? All
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: the time I used spotting sculpts. Nine of my spot
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: and scope use is given something a careful examination after
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: I have found it. I don't find a lot of
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: stuff with spotting scopes. I don't know any real serious
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: hunters that we hang with that sit around for hours
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: the way we do glassing through binoculars, closing one eye
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: am peering through a single spotting scope. It just doesn't
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: from what I've seen, it just doesn't work. Yeah, your
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: eyes get tired that way. You're like squinting. Um. The
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: panting is harder. You need to have both eyes open
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: when you're doing initial glassing. And yeah, and now there
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: is a thing where you can mount two spotting scopes
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: side by side and look through them at the same time. Man,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: oh baby, show me that. That sounds great. But I
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: do think even um, if you're doing a lot of
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: like fine looking trying to locate what the spottings go,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: just because of that, I relief, uh kind of fresh perspective.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: It's great to bounce back and forth, um, because it
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: almost like rejuvenates between bounce back and forth between your eyes.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: Oh no, just from binos to spot or even when
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: you haven't located anything, yeah you know, yeah, like who's
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: your hunt? I oftentimes just had to lay down and
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: just close my eyes, and my eyes start to get
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: such like just like a weird like I've been staring
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: ating my act. There's too long. But we're just not
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: at mule your hunt. I carry it like I had
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: my just regular I emols myself with a pair of
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: ten power binos, so I had a pair of vortex
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: raisors of tens and then I had a five millimeter
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: so that's like the objective lens so big ass spot
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: and scope, and I had that thing out ten times. Well,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know, we're seeing four to ten bucks every
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: day every year we found I'd had the spot and
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: scope out looking at it, so it's out all the
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: time or now and then to be like some little
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: pocket you couldn't really see into and you're kind of
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: curious about, I might put a spot in scope on it.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: But every time we'd be like, there's a box, and
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: I would get spots about one to see what was
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: up with him, and two to scan around and see
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: if he had anybody's hanging around bedding under some tree nearby.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: So I'd always give him. I'm doing it all the time, man,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: I'd like to keep it handy. I don't like to
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: put it where I can't get at it, because then
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: you know, then you're too lazy and you can't get
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: it out when you're glassing. Are there different techniques that
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: you use with your binos checking out a hillside or yeah? Yeah,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: I mean up, down, back forth, all that kind of
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: stuff near far close. Yeah, mine is pretty um. I
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: sit down and look at all the good stuff first,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: and then I start picking the place apart. Yeah, I
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: go over down, back, try to break it up into
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: a way. A minute. Let's say youre looking across a
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: flat plane at a hill and there's like, you know,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: there's like a big ridge that divides the hill you're
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: looking that. I might be like, Okay, I'm gonna do
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: the left of that ridge side to side. I can't
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: do the right ridge. I'm gonna do the flat plane.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go in that order again and again and
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: again and again and again and again and again, and
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: try to have some order to it, because if you
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: just look at all the cool looking stuff, you miss
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, yeah, it's curious about no the tech question.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: Why fixed blades and not mechanicals. I don't know a
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: man broadheads, I don't know. I just like them because
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: they're already in the position they're supposed to be in
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: fixed blades. But no, it's not, it's nothing. It's just
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, there it is, is all put together.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: It doesn't need to do anything. I don't think that's
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: not enough. That's my reason. It's already the way. It's
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: already the way it's supposed to be. And I don't
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: gotta wonder, right, But I mean, but I know a
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: lot of like very accomplished archers who know more about
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: archie tackle than I ever will, who love mechanicals. But
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: for me, it's just like one less thing. We we
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: used them for a while and it was kind of
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: even the infancy. No, I mean they've been around a
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: long time. It was kind of like when they first
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: started becoming popular and they had the rubber bands, you know,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: and like they'd get too much sunlight on them, and
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: then the rubber band and be brittle, or the rubber
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: bands that we're supposed to be and you're like checking
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: your pockets for just like I messled them and then
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: I just something about I like one piece like one
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: piece broadheads, because I just I just look at it
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: and I understand it and I know what's up with it. Yeah,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: you get a little corrosion and stuff just from like
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: morning do after multiple mornings in the field running around
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: and and they I've had them like stuck together to
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: the point where I was like, I don't care what
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: you run this through. It's not gonna come open. It's
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: just like old man ship. I look at it and
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: I understand it. Nothing needed to be put together. I
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: just know that. It's like that's what it is there.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: It is that makes sense. Yeah, I wouldn't use mechanicals
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: much either. You know, I think that the technology has
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: come a long way with those broadheads. If I shot
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: my bow at more critters, i'd probably try him. Um.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: But yeah, right now, I shoot fixed because they seem
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: more sturdy, more durable. They filled the engineer. Remember how
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: earlier today I was trying to get you to go
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: to hunter safety. Yeah. Yeah. Let's say you went to
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: hunter safety and then you got a bowl and you
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: learn how to shoot your bow, and then you developed
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: this this insatiable blood lust. Probably probably gonna happen. Uh.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: Would you be a fixed man or a mechanical man? Well,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: I mean just the same reasons that you're talking about.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: It seems more simple, probably will last longer, I'm guessing,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: like like in the morning, you know less of a
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: chance of them falling up. Heart you're worth, is your
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: fixed man? Yeah? From all the knowledge I know about
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: the subject, I've weighed the pros and cons, and I've
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: come to the conclusion that I am a fixed man.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: Well stated, you can hit number thirty one if you
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: want to knock it out. Another tech question, Oh yeah,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: great tech question. This one comes up a lot. You
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: can't answer it enough. Go ahead, cal give the question
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: and the answer. What is the electrical tape on the
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: end of your barrel? If you just answer that straight out,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: it would be electrical tape. But we've learned about this
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: in hunter safety. I think they like, crap in your gun.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: We discussed it. I can't remember. I think it's on
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: the test putting a piece of tape over the have
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: to ask Tracy, Yeah, there's in one of the videos.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: I think. Really, yeah, preventing stuff from getting down into
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: your barrel your gun. That's great, that's it. Yep. They
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: didn't tell me that. In hunter safety. Yeah, that there
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: is intense they fail get ready. I remember them discussed,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: like talking a lot about keeping your muzzle clear, you know,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: I mean aware of the fact that you could trip
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: stumble poke your muzzle into the mud and it was
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: gonna jam eight inches of mud into your muzzle, which
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: I've never seen actually happen in real life, and then
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: you would pull the trigger in the back pressure would
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: cause the gun to blow up. I packed a barrel
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: full of snow this morning. Bad. Really, I I packed
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: my rifle barrel full of mud, packing of bull. The
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: bull is already long since expired in in pieces. I'm
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: partially on my back but stumbling through the rifle slit
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: off and uh, that is terrible. But it got cold
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: enough to where that whole core of mud just came out,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: and I swear to God that thing was so clean
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: actually helped. I don't understand how it worked, but um, yeah,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: it's just an I mean major barrel cleaner like it
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: just yeah, But I did a you know, full maybe
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: I had just built up how dirty it was going
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: to be in my mind, and by the time I
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: got back and actually put a light down the barrel
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: and looked at it, I was very amazed at how
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: how clean it was. Um, you're feeling good about it? Yeah,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: this is one that I like because I've heard it
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: discussed in a lot of circles with with folks that
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: have produced all sorts of shows and movies for Netflix,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: which is doesn't bother you that all those months of
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: hard work can be watched in a day. Yes, yes, Maggie,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: yeahly season nine, are you getting those comments? The number
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: one comment that's probably the number one question on you
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: should have that an audio thing? When season nine filming,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: it right now. I think that's just the whole world
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: of just I mean, not that I work on the show,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: but just production and post production. It's like a lot
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: of stuff I do. Sometimes you have to think about
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: You're like, man, the lifespan is less than twelve hours
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: in the days and time, and that I put in
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: a into it more or less than also all the
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: other people working on it. It's just crazy to think about.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: But a big motion picture that you also watching nine
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: twenty minutes, they can spend years on years millions of
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: dollars for those two hours, millions and millions um. But
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: nobody complains about that. Good chat question. Do you have
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: a pack weight limit? How much is too much? Man,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: it's gone down over the years. Uh. At a time
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: we would care area around packs that were approaching a
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: hundred pounds um and while and it's like something really
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: weird happens when you jump up, like even when you
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: jump up to like seventy pounds, you put it on
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: and you suddenly feel kind of fragile, Like you put
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: it on, you could picture hurting yourself. You're like, I
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: could picture tripping and hurting myself. And I have done
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: a couple big pack outs. I don't know if it
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: was probably not over a hundred pounds, but done a
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: couple of packouts and now you know over a decade ago.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: Uh that just that that you didn't feed, your body
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: didn't feel right for a week or two after, like
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: you like just just I don't do it anymore. I
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: just don't do it anymore. When we wait those what
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: do we wait? We weigh those packs on that Washington
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: Elk hunt, H well, I had, like my was like
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: eighty four and years was like no low nine these
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: maybe and they were pretty brutal. I think nine pound
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: pounds over the top. I think for me on that one,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: I can't remember Dandy pulled off a pack to weighed
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: one on nine or something once. Yeah, there's a lot
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: that you could we could pull off. I mean, I'm
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: sure I could carry a hundred and thirty pounder out
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: of the woods. But I'm playing the long game these days,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: and I want to be hunting hel can romp in
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: the mountains well into my sixties. That means I have
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: at least twenty years maybe of good mountain hunting. And
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: uh and much rather take this last bull I killed
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: in Colorado. We did two trips. The guy that I
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: was with was not gonna do one big load anyways.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: I probably could have doubled up quarters and packed it out,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: you know. So if I had two guys like me,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: we could have done it one trip. But we just
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: you know, went lighter packs fifty to sixty pound, did
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: two trips. Felt great. At the end of the day,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: walked you know, an extra six miles, but it was
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: a nice day to be in the mountains, you know. Yeah,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: I think it's for context, Like I can put ten
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: days worth of what I need to live and and
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: honestly pretty darn comfortably in the mountains um on my
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: back and the whole kit everything I need is under
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: sixty pounds for ten days. I don't know if that
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: does provide contacts for folks. But yeah, well then you're
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: like you put it on, and you're very aware of
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: having that pack on. You're like a where that it's there. Yeah,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: And I guess the good news there is like from
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: the first snack on, it's getting lighter the whole time,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: you know, like it will and until it's time to
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: start packing animals out, it's it's not going to increase
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: in weight. Uh. Question trophy hunting question, how do you
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: learn to gauge the size of a deer long distance
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: just by looking at him all the time? And the
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: other thing is like you gotta kind of ask you
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: something like why do you care? Uh? We like I
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: like to look because you like big giant buck. Yeah.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: Like the other day I was saying to someone, we're
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: hunt with some guys, and whe of these guys have
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: passed up a five point bowl, and I was saying,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: my new mantra is that elker for eating and mule
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: deer are for looking for big ones. Um. Yeah, I
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: guess you just learned a little I don't know, like
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: a good like for for us. When we're like looking
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: at mule deer and looking at COO's deer and stuff,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: the first thing you're looking for is um. It's kind
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: of like the most immediate reference is you describe boxes
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: like outside the ears, inside the ears, outside of the ears,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: inside of the ears. Like if you see a box
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: and his horns are wider than his ears, you take notice.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: You're like, let me get a look, right, Yeah, there's
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: a buck hey inside the ears. The truly big ones
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter what species of antler and animal this is
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: our buddy Jay Scott always say this. It's like it's
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: gonna look abnormally large on his head. It's gonna make
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: his head look little because those are the truly it looks.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: It looks weird because it's so big. You can do
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: all the you know, oh, it was touching his butt
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: when he put his head back, or when he turned
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: his head. It was his wise is you know, from
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: his shoulders to this, that and the other. The really
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: big ones, they just like, there's no question about it.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: If you have to try to talk yourself into it.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: It's not as big as you want it to be.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: Other things like if you really are like trying to
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: trophy judge an animal. Well, now before we get into that,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: another quick hitter is usually the more mature animals were
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: gonna gonna have a little bit of a darker antler,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: especially looking at mule deer, the young spinley ones tend
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: to be a little bit whiter in color, a little chalkier.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: The darker ones are with the more mature ones. But
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: after that it comes down to high length. You're looking
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: for long times, but a big thick chocolate e outside
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: the ears. We we were talking abut because we're talking
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: like like why why does everyone seem to in our
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: group of friends and stuff, everyone sort of agrees on
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: what's like absolutely like a shooter box, right, and I
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: don't know, it just has certain yeah dark antler Yeah,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: a minimum amount past years. And I was looking all
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: the time. Uh, the last time I gotta go up
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: and hunt Alberta for me oldier. My spotting scope actually
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: got stolen out of the back of my track. So
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: I was up there hunting without a spotting scope and
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: it was like very very frustrating, but I so all.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: I had my UM tripod and my binoculars on the
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: tripod and was glassing and um, I had to and
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: you're looking at deer from a long way way. I
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: had to really rely on the body like that is
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: a big body. It appears to have a big gut
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: on it, and it's got antlers on its head. I'm
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: gonna go after that buck, not the rest of these bucks,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: because that is just a significantly bulkier deer that that
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: looks older from this perspective way back belly dragger. And
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: I will tell you absolutely no exaggeration. I was consistently
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: hunting larger deer than the guys that we're hunting with
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: spotting scipes. Yeah, because there it's like you want to
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: go take off and chase a deer and and go
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: hunt it. And and I would have been the exact
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: same way. But and they were like, boy, that's a
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: really nice dear. Boy, that's a really nice dear. And
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: they're like, it's got to be big, like a little
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: bit of talking to yourself off into it because you're
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: raring to go and you want to go. I give
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: it every deer the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, I
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: start out assuming every deer is a bucket, Every buck
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: is a big un until until it proves otherwise. That's
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: my operating assumption. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: So here's the question, has nothing to do with the
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: season eight of met Eater. How long can you keep
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: properly packaged frozen wild game before eating it? Depends on
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: what it is. I just got my wife and I
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: stayed up late last night, and uh, I made a big,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: big mess and got in trouble me because I just
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: had a defrost my freezer, which we're going through a
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: cold snap right now, and I was say, a great
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: time for freezer first thing about your dad and saying,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: you know what, don't curse the darkness light of candle.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: It's zero negative something out there right now. That's a
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: great idea. Pull everything out of your freezer. Just chuck
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: it on the back deck at our house. You do
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: have to cover it because the magpies will get after.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know how the hell they figure out that
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: they're meet out there. It's like, I know, because if
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: it's just a piece of if it's a bone with
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: some scrap on it, I was like, it's color. But
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: how do they know. I don't know. God, he got
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: a good nose on him. Yeah, it must be. It
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: must be the nose. So anyways, the day before I
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: just turned the freezer off after I emptied it and
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: opened up the plug at the bottom, thinking there's like
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: a little bit of you know, frost in there that
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: needs to melt out. When I came home, it's like
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: not half but like you know, there was a good
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: ten foot radius around the freezer. Really, dude, I need
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: to be frost my freezer. But anyways, we put it
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: all back in there last night and there was a
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: tender loin elk tender loin from seventeen. I get so
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: attached to those things that I'm like, let's you guys
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: aren't worth it. Let's say it for another year. I
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: got no problem. I think it's gonna be a great
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: piece of I would say it depends what it is.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: Meaning I like to eat. When we go to our
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: fish shack and bring salmon home, I like to get
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: them eating up. Yes, all that seafood does not do well.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: It doesn't do well like any and all. See like
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: if you got if you got bluegill flas. You know
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: there's that fish, giant Travoli, and everybody likes to calm gets.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: Let's start calm bluegills bags. If you got bluegill flase,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: they're so lean, you know what I mean. If you
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: freeze like bluegill flas and water, I mean you can
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: keep them for a long time. But generally, like seafood,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: I just like to get rid of it. If I
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: was gonna say that, I think that the high that
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: a high fat content has to do with something has
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: to do with how little how I fatty fish can't
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: freeze long sure, or fatty meat for that matter. You know,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: pork just doesn't last. The fat ends up going back bear.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: Meat that's not properly trimmed goes bad fast and to
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: freeze like the fat goes ransom, and the freezer properly trimmed, like,
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: let's just say we're talking about venison deep members of
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: the deer family. Trim the tallow off, trim the fat off.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: It lasts for years if you you can vaccinal it,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: but then you gotta take care of the bags. And
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: I use a vaxin there for seafood, so I think
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: it does a nice job of seafood. But I like
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: to wrap my red meat. I like to wrap it
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: in plastic wrap, and I like to wrap in wax
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: freezer paper and good tight wrap. Then put the wax
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: freezer paper on. It seems like a lot, but you
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: can eat it years later. I quit label in the
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: meat in my freezer. I quit label in the date
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: because then people I don't like have to explain the
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: date to people. Right, and my wife looks in there
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: and she sees something that says two thousand seventeen. Well,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: you're like, what the hell is that? I just don't
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: even put it on it, and then no one has
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: the no. Then I don't have to explain why stuff
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: on my counter says three years ago if if, if
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: it came down to it, it's not like David Meltzer
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: brought over the ship from dug it up. But I
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: I try to do uh what how do you call it?
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: We talked about this, uh lasting first last in, first out,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: first in, first out. Yeah yeah, I used to working
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: at a grocery store. First yeah. I try to do
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: first and first out. And in fact, now the hunting
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: season is totally rolling. I have a plan. I need
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: to go do some organization and I'm gonna take uh,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: anything I have from last year is going into my
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: kitchen freezer, and and the rule being that's all gone
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: before anybody, because I still have some stray stuff from
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: last year, that's all gone before anybody taps into this year,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: even though I've been eating this year already, because if
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: I come home with stuff rather than just freezing it,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: I'll sometimes just start eating it because like why freezing
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: and thought you know what I mean, it's a good rotation.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: It's so nice to do a little freezer clean because
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: you forget you have all these little goodies, like I
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: found a couple of bags of crabs that you brought
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: for me, that hadn't gotten eaten yet. So those from
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: this year, yeah, I hope, so they didn't have a
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: date on him. The reason for that? Um? What else
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: did I find in there? Some turkey liver pati that
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: I froze? Let's say it for some little fancy cocktail
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: dinner time type thing. Here's one. How do you know
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: when you're done? Okay, I don't know more about shooting
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: a wounding and animal. How do you know when you're
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: done searching? At what point is the breaking point for
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: giving in? Oh? That's tough, man. Um, I think when
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: you're exhausted, that's stupid. It's not stupid. You're exhausted. You're
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: already tired. It's gonna be no exhausted from the looking
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: part you got. Because there's been times when I've we've
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: gone back to camp. I've gone back to camp, gotten
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: a full, nice rest, and then searched all the next
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: day and become exhausted from looking, not exhausted from the hunt. Um,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: it's mentally oh man, yeah, no, yeah, mentally and physically exhausted.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: But when you just I don't know, when you just
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: feel like there's no hope, you have to start what happens.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: I think after a while, with a lot of experience
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: of hitting animals with projectiles and making good and bad hits,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: is that you just get to read. You see the
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: same things play over and over over again, Like when
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: you see a broadhead broadhead tipped arrow going to an
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: elks shoulder four or five six, maybe even eight inches.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: You know what, I'm like, Probably not gonna do too
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: much looking. I've just seen too many of those. It's
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: just like, dude, that thing gets hit worse when he
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: fights with his buddy tomorrow, you know, from the Antler Times, right,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: So you after a while you learned to read those hits,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: you know. Um, that's if I had to answer the question,
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: that's why I deferred you. If I had to answer it,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: I would say that the more you're exposed to the
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: more you start to like make sense of things and
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: you and it changes your approach where if you're like
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: I did think I know that thing is dead or
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: I know that thing's not gonna die, right, Yeah, but man,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: it's the assumption that that's such a killer two Like
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: I I mean, I've just seen the most bizarre stuff
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: and and that bowl I lost in New Mexico, Like
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: it was such a non lethal hit and it would
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: like that placement that every the penetration was just a
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: non lethal hit. The way the bull moved afterwards, followed
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: the tracks, no blood, no nothing, non lethal, non lethal,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: non lethal. Um. The one thing though, is he was
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: still packing that arrow. And I swear to God, man,
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: like what we found when we ultimately found the bull,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: which was just pure dumbass luck. Um was like, you know,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: backtrack from where the carcasses, and I swear to God
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: that thing laid down and jam that arrow into him,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: you know. But I was like doing my due diligence
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: here falling in falling tracks, and I know we aren't
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: gonna come ount to anything, and we just really have
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: to do that. Yeah. Man, if people make the call
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: without even walking over, that's bad. Yeah, you should never
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: do that. And there's some things you learned. Like I
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: was on a tracking job one time. Something we didn't
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: find where you find like a bone fragment and not
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of blood. Yeah, and you're like lower you know,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: you're like, okay, lower leg, it's gonna be tough. Yeah,
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: I've been there, you know. Then then like I said,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: this little telltale signs man, where you're like, people be like,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: holy shit, he must be real dead. It's a bone
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: fragment land here, Like how would that happen? You're like, well,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: I happened to hit him in the Yeah, but he's gone.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: We gotta look a long time since I told this story,
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: but I was way back when was guiding antelope hunters.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: Guy chopped his buck pancake. I was like, oh, something
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: didn't look right, and and he was very very excited, Um,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: real nice antelod buck. And I'm like, reload, reload, reload,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: and he was kind of in the throes of like triumph.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: And finally he snaps back into it, but just in
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: time to see that antelope get up and Paul ass
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: out of there and go over and there is like
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: the very top. I gotta learn the name of what
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: this is. But you know, like the long spine, uh,
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: chunks of bone that come up from the spine like
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: on the Rassic process. Is that on the neck? Yeah? Um,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: how'd you like that, Maggie. That was very impressive. That
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: the version very impressive that I knew that someone wrote
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: someone wrote in about that might even been our chiropractor buddy.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: The thoracic processes or whatever, know that it was. I
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: wish Phil the editor was more the engineer, like, did
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of fact checking. Wait, outside of his job description,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: we can make it my job description. That's fine. I'm
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: gonna rewrite that description. But we made a significant medical
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: fact checking. There is hair, blood, and that top of
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: that bone land on the prairie. Oh my gosh. And yeah,
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: I never seen that. Had a client two weeks later
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: killed that buck. Really yeah, and he knew it was
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: the same one just because of oh, because of the
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: giant scar and take blood puss um. Yeah. Okay, here
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: you want to hear this is from Brian. You hunt
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: it with Brian at the the Auction to trc P
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: hunt last year in Colorado. I asked him about it
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: after someone else had written in about it, and he replied,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: for most mammals, the projections off the vertebrae are generally
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: referred to as spinus processes and transverse processes. That sounds
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: like mostly right, that's an educated guess. I have not
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: heard of thorastic processes. That doesn't mean that one doesn't exist. Oh,
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: the thorastic is just the first one. Mm hmm. So
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: it's the that was mostly wrong. Well, the thorastic is
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: seven vertebrae, isn't it because there goes cervical thorastic lumbars,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: spinny is process whatever? That was most right. A couple
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: of folks that actually a lot of folks asked this
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: different forms of the same question. What are you guys
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: packed for food for the longer hunts? Like the Alaska
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: doll sheep hunt. Um that was that episode is a
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: lot of people's favorite episode. It's contemplative, contemplative, I go
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: with contemplative. And the scenery is uh, beautiful scenery. It's
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: kind of like quiet and poetic and nice music. And
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: now too, I'd like to add that we have sort
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: of we have a very good spectrum um within the
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: media library of what doll sheep hunts can be like,
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: because when you went on that, when you had the
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: toke tag, we ran up there, we found a sh
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: ramp before the opening day and then got it that morning. Yeah,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: I mean we found a mid No, it wasn't because
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: remember it was super foggy. We probably actually didn't even
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: see him until probably close to noon. But anyways, yeah,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: that next day as as they gotten that morning. But
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: he was dead and uh, we kind of complained earlier
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: he mentioned We're like, man, sure missed out on running
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: a bunch of ridges that would have been fun. Well,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: we got to run our Actually we didn't run too
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: many ridges because it's too cloudy floor. We ran a
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: lot of valley floors on this last trip. But yeah,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: we have We have both types of doll sheep punts,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: and then there's everything in between. I'm gonna give our
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: you know where. This is the first time anyone's mentioned it,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: and I hesitate to even mentioned it. We are working
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: on two books. Um. One of these books will contain
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: you a lot of information like what I'm gonna tell
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: you right now. Uh, our basic bad Country meal plan
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: goals like this, um instant coffee. Oh check this out.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: We used Starbucks villa mm hmm um. We use Starbucks
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: villa and bags of powdered creamer so it looks like
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: you got a bag of coke in a in a
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: cocaine movie. You guys want to rub it on your
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: lips and that's good ship. But a lot of people
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: like to complain about the villa. We've tried a lot
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: of other products to find a dude in Missoula. He
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: found one. Hear me out. Hear me out this dude
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: in Missoula. Sam, I got his address on my desk. Uh,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: I'm done with the v is because micro trash, man,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: it does leave a lot of micro trash. You gotta
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: please your micro trash. But here's the thing. I thought,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: you know this guy? I do. There's a guy Sam, Yeah,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: is that right? B h A supporter, darn good gay
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: he sent me. I think it's like this the surfing
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: dude layered Hamilton's. Is that a correct? Okay? I like
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: Mike Keely myself. Keely doesn't make the product I'm talking about.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: He's got like all these coffee anyway. He sent me
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: this coffee and I haven't tried to x. I'm saving
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: it for a backcounch trip. It's coffee and creamer mixed
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: super food original and sure, I don't know there's like
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: a sweet one original one. It's like instant coffee and
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: it's the creamer is supposed to be made of. It
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: is funny because he wrote letters saying I don't know
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: that you're in me, Like he's saying I don't know
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: you meaning me. Um, if you're into super food. But
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: maybe Janice is like he has personality more pact is
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: one likely to be in the superfood. But I amn't
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: a super food cause I think squirrel is super food.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that. Yeah, there's a lot
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: I think that I have because you just get the
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: name ship, you think it's super food, right, I think
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: squirrel is a superfood. Um, I'm into superfood like it.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: But I'm looking forward to trying that. But I wanted
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: to give our here's our basic here's our basic bad
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: country meal plan. Hold on the corner, put the coffee.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing the coffee. So I switched over it
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: to going back to old old school, just just getting
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: the unfortunately like little glass jar of whatever instant. Yeah,
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: we just we just drank that for eight days, you know,
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: because I like, no, I didn't I in my trash
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: via the whole time. Other people that we were with
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: had to drink it. Tasters choice, no cafe tasters choice. Yeah,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: the one that, uh, I think it has the Mexican
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: flag on there. Well, I was just thinking to myself,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: you know what, it would have been a great product
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: for the back country, but I don't. I'm trying to
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: buy it right now on Google and I don't know
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: if it's available. But General Foods International Coffee remember those
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: They were like a rectangular box with the red lid,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: kind of sea and it had everything that you needed
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: in their creamer, sugar, caffeine. But I don't I'm not
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: seeing it right now on the internet. Might have gone
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: on a business, it might not be around. I'm looking
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: forward to that stuff that dude Sam sent me. I
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: need to write him a thank you, know. Um So
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: let me give my our meal plan. All right, you
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: guys can complexify this all you want. What are you
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: gonna start with breakfast? Let's started with coffee. I'm just
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: not going as quick as I wanted to a Starbucks
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: via then, whether you do or do not use cream,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: We'll usually take a little container. Some guys put in
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: some of our w P. A is put it into
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: ziplock bag, which drives me crazy. It's better to have
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: like a little container. You get a ari I in
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: a little container section full of cream. Yea oatmeal two
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: envelopes per person, instant oatmeal packages. You eat the oatmeal
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: out of the bag, just like what what what? I'm
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: gonna have to interject because I said, you can complexify
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: all you want to trying to help people out. Go
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: ahead what I know, but we've like it's it's not.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're being honest by saying that that
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: is like our go to anymore, because you might eat
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: two of those packets per trip, Like we just like
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: those things. He was asking about our like a dull
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: sheep hunt. What might one plan on bringing? Okay, but
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: that was one thing. You know what? Sorry, your answer,
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: your question cannot be answered. No, it can be answered.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, are you gonna add more breakfast items?
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: Because that's like, it's not because I like the I
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: like those vinegare have there's choice breakfast. Ye, those are good.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: That's not oatmeal. No, but it's like a quick little thing.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: I tell you what I don't like. It's as much
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: as I love house, I don't like houses. I don't
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: like houses. Breakfast skill it. We ate quite a few
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: of those on that trip though. Um, okay, so bagels
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: and cream cheese, I like that. But I'm trying to
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: talk about like a real anybody can figure out how
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: to feed themselves. I'm trying to talk about, like if
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: you really like like a Backpacking Applausible backpacking menu. Mm hmm,
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: let me do this. I'm gonna talk about time. Be honest.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: Wasn't there instant coffee, instant oatmeal? Then for lunch, you
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: have flatbread with sliced meat and cheese, and you have
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: a container of mayo or mustard or both. M hm uh.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: My brother likes to have an onion that he adds
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: into it. And you make a little thing where you
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: get like two flatbreads and a bunch of meat and cheese.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: We used to use carl budding lunch meat because it
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: can't rot. Like it can't rot. I don't know how.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: You'd have it for months in the back of your
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: truck and it's just fresh. It's just as fresh somehow,
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: as fresh as the day you bought it. So we
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: used to like that stuff. Or you can bring donk
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: like summer sausage whatever, like a meat and a cheese
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: that you put on a flatbread and you put mayo
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: or mustard. That's your lunch. You're good luck with all
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: kinds of cured meats lately, because they have some of
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: the same properties as the Carlo. Is it budding your
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: budding Carl? We always call it carl. We didn't even
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: use the second word, like, hey, you go, I'll get
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: the instant call, you go the grocer start, I'll get
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: the instant coffee, you get a bunch of carl, I'll
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: eat you check out and everybody know who that meant?
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, uh dinner house. And then all throughout the
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: day you're eating tons of bars, and you're getting really
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: jealous of the guy at night who has some pringles
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: or corn chips. And then it's great to have candy
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: bars and bars and you eat those all throughout the
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: day and then uh some dicaffey to tease usually big
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: hit that night. The follow up question is what kind
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: of bars do you guys like? The answer is all
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: and none, all of them and none of them. Just
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: get yourself a variety, because no matter what your favorite is,
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: if it's freaking chocolate cocon today, in two days, chocolate
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: coconut will not be your favorite anymore. Yeah. Uh some
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: favorites pro Bar nothing with fruit. I don't like any
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: fruity pro bar. I'm a fruit lover. Uh we like
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: pro Bar. We like pack of runs yea from from
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: the Heather's Choice. I haven't heard of Those are good
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: we just got a little box of those. Uh my
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: nostalgia one is the like the sweet and salties. Yeah,
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: doing nothing for you can bar. It's like a hybry
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: between a candy bar and all the bar makes you
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: feel better. Though. We eat those ones that are all
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: like it's just like hell food. It's like it'll say
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: in the package, like four dates, three eggs. We eat
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of kind. I'm a big kind bar guy. Snickers.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: People always buying Snickers for our Snickers with almonds. I
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: ate a bunch on my last strip. That was a
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: lot of Snickers. The only time I think I ever
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: eat a Snickers is when I'm around Joanna's. He's like,
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: we always it's always in our loop. There's always Snickers
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: in our loop. Starbursts when we were turkey hunting. Yeah,
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: that's what anything like that gets eating up. If you
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: were smart, if you were smart, you'd shop. No, we
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: talked about this. You might not be smart to do that. Um,
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: I say, if you're smart, you'd come out of the mountains,
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: not eat anything, and then grow to a grocery store
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: and buy all your stuff for your next trip. Yeah,
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: but then your next trip would be like springles, corn chips,
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: hot dogs, pizza, rotisserie chicken would be like all the
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: stuff where you're like just like totally calorie starved. You'd
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: like go into a store and be like, I was like, oh,
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: this uh miso soup, instant miso soup for cold weather hunts, ma'am.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: It's really salty. It's just a nice treat and it
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: recharges all that loss sodium like mid mid day when
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: I fire up the jet boil when it's weather like this. Man,
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: I've done the same thing with chicken and beef. Stock
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: cubes has a little bully on cues. That's good. I
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: like pickle juicey hot, but I brought some turkey any
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: in my water bowl? Fool? Is it cut with a
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: bunch of water? Is it all pickle juice? Just pickled juice?
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: You have to you can buy it, But I had
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: pickles at home, so I just poured the juice and
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: a I had like a small water bottle and I
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: just brought that with me because I like gatorade and
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: I had gatorade powder. In that last question, we all
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: know what the answer is for Maggie. Everybody gets to
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: do it, and it's gonna be a rap even Phil,
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: We're even gonna let you do it. Hey, thanks man.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: What animal gets your blood pumping the most and why
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: we know it? For mag it's obviously turkeys. One specifically,
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: Maggie gets around turkey, she loses her ability to shoot.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of things going on in my head.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: We're like, never shoo him in full strut unless side
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: he's in full strut. Did say, yeah, like, forget that, man,
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: he has a full strut. Go listen to me all
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: the time except for this. But then you gotta know
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: when not to listen to me. I wish I had
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: like a little Steve like still like Pill would have
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: been there with the sound board and it could have
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: been you go and shoot my head. I would have
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: been flipping out. So Mag, you'll let you answer. I
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: don't mean answer for you. I'll go first. What animals
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: my blood pumping the most? And why? Um? Uh? Wild turkeys,
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: mule deer and uh. It's just so much fun to
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: hunt squirrels. It's like fun to go out your friends
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: and hunt squirrels, wild turkeys and mule deer and squirrels
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: just because it's something like it's not the squirrels so
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: much as it's like the it just is always so enjoyable.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all the pressures of a big game hunt,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: aren't there. You just having just laughing and having fun,
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: just fun. Walk around the woods your bodies looking for
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: squirrels gets my blood bumping. But like big mule to
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: your box get my blood up pumping. Yeah man, yeah,
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: I mean I the quest for a big meal to
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: your buck is still one I am on. And I
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: mean this bad spot where I feel like I've blown
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: like three chances of a lifetime at just a monster buck,
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: I've only I've almost gotten too many of them. Yeah. Man,
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: but you're Steve Ronnella. I mean think all the resources
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: you have it your those big fat fingertips here, I'm
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: just average Joe. Uh yeah, that's I've lost my cool
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: on those damn things like embarrassingly twice um and so
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: yeah man that that's still still at the top of
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: the list. I feel like for a long time I've
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: come partmentalized. Elk into you go in the freezer like
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just shuffling you into the freezer. No
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: time to get too excited, Like, let's just get on
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: with the process. Mule, do you her for looking for
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: big ones. Yeah, says that. Yeah, I like I like Phil. Hey,
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: it's kind of a different answer. It's whichever whichever of
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: the deer that jump out in front of my car
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: when I'm taking the beater whirl roads into town during
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: the winter. Those are the ones that get my blood bump.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: I hear you for separate reasons than you guys, But
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: I like Phil Man. He's got a smart answer. Yea, yeah,
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: I think he's getting wiser because the can we jump
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: over and talk about Phil's mustache real quick? I mean,
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: the growth is the luxuriant. I like it luxuriant, but
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: you do need to die. You like fulfill the curtains,
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: don't manage the drapes. Yes, about his face of my face,
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: the drapes of my face. Thank you for that clarification. Um, yeah,
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: we've talked about just for men. Touch of gray is
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: what lacata just to look distinguished. But yeah, it's for
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: my Halloween costume tomorrow. I hope you guys will be
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: here in the office. I can't wait. I can't wait much.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: He spends with the headphones on. I want like a
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: real news cast or type of haircut to go with that. Mustache.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: It would be great, like it's like a side part, Yes,
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: kind of. No one's ever used that word on this
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: podcast the first time, making history, first time. You're welcome
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: many times, yes, I'm sure many times. Quaff never crooner,
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: cro like a like a like a pompa door. You
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: know you've got a little bit of a lift, a
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: curl and a lift. Just say more of that at tim,
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: more of that already ruined. It can't. Let's go to
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: Bill outside. Let's go to Bill outside, Bill guys good
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: Man in the morning announcements. In my high school experience,
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: it's still turkeys, same as the last three times I
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: answered that question. That's change. No, you want me to
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: expect No more is there to say the same as
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: Meggy man gets your blood pumping, But you sure weren't
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: helping her get that turkey? Yeah he did. I was
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: flustered too. A lot going on there, Maggie. What animal
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: gets your blood most pumping? Well, I have to say turkey.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: You know about getting the turkey's up close, don't you. No, No,
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: my blood runs cold because that same episode. Uh. The
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: only other thing is I had a cockroach crawl at
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: me one time while I sleeping right here. That yeah,
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: at the base of your all that. But we're living
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico and was like right here, and I screamed,
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: just yeah, I think that's what they mean. Oh wait,
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: got my blood pumping. But most turks. Sure, it's the
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: only thing I've gone after. So we'll see question change
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: that in the next couple of weeks months. Dude, maybe
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: you gotta do a deer hunt man. All right, I
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: got my tag. I went and bought that. Joe told
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: me to do that. Good. Yes, I'm gonna go buy
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: my duck stamp right now. Well, since we're done eating
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: cookies for your birthday's birthday, I'm gonna go get my
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: duck stamp. Duck stamp, Old Old Mags, Old Marg. You
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: haven't even you haven't even hit thirty yet. I got
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: one more year of that. Some people find their peak
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: at different ages, do you it's old Mag's old. I'm
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: looking forward to hitting my peak yet to come. I'm
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: gonna stay optimistic. Okay, guys, thanks a lot. I hope
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: these questions are helpful to people. And the biggest thing
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: I got to say is this season eight of Meat Eater,
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: available now on net looks go there and stream the
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: whole damn thing, uh and then and then leave it on,
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: so it just appears like you can't stop watching. Thank you,