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Yoreh De’ah 296:27-31. Kilei HaKerem: Produce Directly Under Vines, 4 Amos Away From a Kerem Vs 6 Tefachim From a Single Vine · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  OK, we are continuing with Kilai Hakaran, you're a Deus Simon
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  resh sadivov sivkaf Zain OK kola zarea taha tas regime the haleem
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  ayotseem in a Geffen I raise a kidesh.
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  Alright, so this is Allaha that whenever you have a this
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  vineyard, this vine and it's growing.
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  So anywhere underneath. I really need the Araisa in
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  order to be high of in Kilayam and it's Asar Behna.
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  We're going to get to the details soon.
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  But if that's when the source of the vine, the trunk, the source,
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  whatever it's called coming out of the ground, it needs to be
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  within 6 Tahim or 4 Amos. We will see later on which one,
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  depending on the case. However, as long as it's the
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  vine is growing, the Takata Srigim, the branches or vines,
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  whatever you call it, the Alim, the leaves anywhere underneath
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  it because it spreads, it grows. You can grow wild on the ground.
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  It can you can have a whole lattice work or etcetera.
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  You can have a whole whatever it's extended on and we're going
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  to see as long as it's directly underneath it, you're going to
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  see that again. Then it is kodesh, at least
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  Midora banan, it's it's kidesh. It's Azur banana.
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  That's what it means. It's Azur banana.
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  All right. The Alpha Pisa has zera Rahul E
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  kar hai Geffen, even though it's far away from the the ecar the
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  the trunk, right? The trunk or the vineyard comes
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  out of the ground where it starts growing.
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  Kam Amos even many Amos to safta says even 100 Amos doesn't
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  matter how long it continues, as long as it's directly underneath
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  it. It's usser.
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  He'd let the gefenal mix us up if he wrote now what happened?
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  If you're going to grow the vine, right?
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  This is very common with people. They get vines.
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  They want them to be in certain places.
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  They grow them to cover stuff up.
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  They grow for the beauty, whatever it is for shade.
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  And so you're here. Perush etsim makaniya marukim
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  shet madlim alehem Sri agafani ku shahim arukim Harvey, right?
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  You, you. It's a lattice work, right?
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  Simple. A pergola basically it's like a,
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  it could be a pergola, right? Because we're talking about
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  shade above you often lattice work is just a wall, but it
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  could be a roof, it could be for a gazebo, whatever you want to
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  call it. And typically they were done as
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  like a lattice, like Shetty Varev, horizontal and vertical,
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  but in order to, to grow it and to give you shade.
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  But whatever it is, whatever the structure is, if the purpose is
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  for it to grow upon it, Loizra, takhat, Mozhar hop.
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  If you wrote you're not allowed to plant your the, the, the, the
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  grain, whatever else we're talking about.
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  So the tibua, the grain, the zarium vegetables, you can't
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  grow it under not only the vineyard itself, right?
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  I mean, even motara pifa, the rest of the structure, the
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  gazebo, propurgola, lattice work, whatever you want to call
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  it. So then, OK, the alpha piche na
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  Lam la alien velostrien, even though it's bare wood right now,
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  Why the alpha visit? It's going to really the reason
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  is because you wanted to and it will grow there and it will
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  cover there in the future the EMS Zara.
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  OK, so now you plant in a spot where if you look straight up
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  above you, there's still nothing grew there, right?
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  It's still just wood, right? Your wooden, your wooden
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  structure, your pergola, whatever it is and you plant
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  over there and it's not there's, it's over.
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  There's no, there's no vineyard there yet since it's not under
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  the shade of the vineyard yet. Vine OK sign vine.
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  Thank you. So that whatever you planted, it
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  was usser to plant because you planted it under a structure
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  that the vine will get there and you wanted it to get there.
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  However you did it, someone did it, you did it.
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  Whatever you know about it, it's about that you're allowed to get
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  benefits from that because there it wasn't actually under the
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  vine yet. You meet like ethanol mixes by
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  the Elon Shenosa perot. Now, similar to this structure,
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  what do you want to call it? Lattice work pergola.
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  What do you want to call it? Gazebo, Even if now similarly
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  you have a tree, you have a tree next to your vineyard and you're
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  basically going to use it's a non fruit bearing tree and
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  basically you want to just use this to connect to grow your
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  vine for whatever the reason is I'd say beauty, whatever it is.
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  So Cagon Haare is about have Roche anyway with a cedar tree,
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  whatever kind of a tree that doesn't have fruits exact same
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  Halafa Alva. But if it's in other words, you
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  can't plant anywhere underneath that tree, just like your
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  lattice structure, because the vine is going to get there, it's
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  going to cover it anywhere where it's going to cover.
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  That's called a motar. Then you're not allowed to plant
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  underneath it, at least like a so, so too with this type of a
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  tree, if that's your purpose. Did you say a tree doesn't bear
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  fruit? We're talking about a fruit that
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  doesn't bear fruit, a tree that doesn't bear fruit.
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  Now what if you do plant it? You extend and you carry your
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  vine to go on to a tree that does have fruits, an apple tree
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  or whatever it is. And we're not talking about
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  chelim. We're not attaching it.
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  We're not doing her cover over here.
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  You're just going to lean it on there because you want it to
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  look pretty. You want your vine to go all
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  around your garden. OK, whatever it is.
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  So then Moto ES rotaka bade hai ilan sholanim shikhwale.
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  I'm srigi hagathen. So you still can't plant
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  directly under the vine, right? That's kele hakaram.
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  But you're allowed to plant anywhere under your apple tree.
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  That's no problem with that, as even though the the vine might
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  continue to grow as we above the.
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  Yes, the vineyard can grow all around your apple tree and when
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  the. Branch is of the apple tree,
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  correct? Previously planted a fresh.
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  So the apple tree interior. Where other than the branches
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  suppress. Is between what's Yeah, so
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  exactly. So your vine is going to become
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  intertwined all around your apple tree.
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  And so you're when you're standing under your apple tree,
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  you have shade from your apple tree and shade from your vines.
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  And so there and so and where you're getting shade you, and
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  I'm just using that as an example of it.
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  We're talking about shade at, you know, Katsosayam straight
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  down, obviously directly below. So then that's where you're not
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  allowed to, you can't plant your tavua, your wheat underneath
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  that tree because the vine is there.
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  But if the vine wouldn't be there or where it's not, you are
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  allowed, let's say it's going to cover half of your apple tree.
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  So where it's covering half your apple tree, you can't plant your
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  wheat underneath it. On the half of the apple tree
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  where it's not going to have a divine, whether it's not there
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  yet or the vine is not there yet, you are allowed to plant it
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  there. Even if the vine might continue
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  to grow there, it's not a problem.
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  What's it? Because we're talking about an
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  apple tree. We're not talking about an oak
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  tree. We're not talking about a tree
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  that is not bear fruit bearing. Why?
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  What's the difference? Shane Adama Vatel Ilan Mahal,
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  The sale of Pifirot Glagefin. Because it's an apple tree, it
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  has its own importance and own independent entity and therefore
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  it retains the name of a proper apple tree and it's not going to
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  become subordinate and similar to a lattice piece of wood dead
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  structure that you made a pergola or a lattice work with.
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  So then it doesn't have that same halacha.
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  So it's an this is their abundant.
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  It's really what we're talking about doesn't have that.
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  We have Nimshikhua Srigen. However, like we just said
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  already, if the Srigen if the vine continues to grow Akhar
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  shizzara. So you had the vineyard just
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  barely touching your apple tree. So the whole apple tree,
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  basically, you look straight up, all you see is apples and
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  branches. So you're allowed to plant next
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  to it your tuvua, your grain, your wheat, whatever it is.
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  And then over time, the vineyard grew and now it's covering your
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  wheat, the Sakako al Hazara, and it's giving shade.
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  It's covering, it's, it's covering the Zara Harezim
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  Mazziram and Malcolm Acher. So you just have to move the
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  vineyard away and vine. Thank you, thank you.
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  You'll move away the vine from covering the wheat and then
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  everything is kosher. You just have to move it away,
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  OK? If you leave it there, it
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  becomes ASA and you can't move it away.
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  We're talking about La Kaquila. For the first time you knew
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  about it. You weren't Makayam it.
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  It didn't grow there. Another didn't add one out of
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  200. You just see it right away.
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  Then you can move it and it's still kosher.
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  But there is no Easter done yet. And so that's not true for
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  Kodesh or Asur to eat. But yeah, but asur but not yet
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  not it's not let's you leave it there.
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  You plant it there on. Well, if you plant it there
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  obviously while the vine is already there.
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  So then it becomes us or and it's too late here.
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  It's it grew afterwards. You saw it for the first time
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  right now you can move it away. Cavhat azarea takhat motar
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  hapfirot O takhat motar ilan shenossevpirot.
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  OK, so this is basically we, we had this case, you plant your
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  wheat, you plant your something underneath this extra structure
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  where there's no vine yet, the Nimshikhu srige Hagephen.
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  And now the vine grows over time, right?
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  That's what plants do. Before you know it, Visakhu al
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  Zraim, and now it's covering the Zraim Hareza Asura akimo.
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  You are not allowed to keep it there.
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  UL haqsir eshrigim allocates out OSA O kera zera, right?
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  So here what happened here? So here that.
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  Was an apple tree. You were allowed to just remove
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  the vine from the from the newer branch.
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  Right from the apple tree, you're able just to move it away
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  here once, since it's not an apple tree, doesn't have its own
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  independent entity, and it did grow over there.
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  So then once it grew over there and then as soon as you discover
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  it, it's too late, It's already user and now you have to RIP up
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  and throw away that zero. The vine remains matur and under
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  the vine. Thank you.
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  He planted it under the vine when the vine was already there.
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  Then both I believe are user correct.
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  Both are us. OK, here's because it grew
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  afterwards. Fine, a little technical here.
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  Kaftat, Kanye, Mayotsi. Mina Aris.
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  OK, now extra extensions, extra boards of wood or twigs,
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  whatever it is. Ayotsi Mina Aris.
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  What's an Aris? Basically, it's a form of
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  apophirot. Yeah.
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  Let's read inside Perush, a professional one.
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  What was that? It's.
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  What? It's what professional Ventnor
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  is used to. Refrigerate over right?
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  I'm not exactly how sure it's different than optifier roads.
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  Random lattice. Random lattice, OK, right.
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  So in Ari it's fine. I'll just repeat what you said.
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  It's the standard. I mean, this is clear what these
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  are structures that are built in order to to grow and have the
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  vineyard, a vineyard grow. And OK, it's but again, it's I'm
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  not sure if there's any difference.
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  It's basically the same thing. The Khas Alehem Lafoskan.
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  Now what happened the Aries is let's say you have a structure
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  just will make it up random 2 by 8, a distance of 2 by 8 meters.
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  That's your structure, that's your Aries, and that's where you
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  want the vine to grow. But you have some extra for
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  whatever reason, you have some extra sticks or boards extending
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  beyond the iris and you don't need them there.
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  It's Kadatio yashka. If you wrote and you just don't
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  want it to, if you cut it off, it might damage your structure
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  or it might weaken what you built.
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  It's it's there for another purpose, whatever it is, but
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  it's not for the vineyard. You have this extra parts of
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  this Aries that are extending and it's clear that you don't
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  want it for the vine. That's not the purpose of it,
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  OK? You just don't want to cut it
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  off because you don't want to waste it.
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  It'll weaken your structure, whatever it is.
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  Hariza muta mizora takhtein. So that extra little extension,
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  that's a mutter la Khatila, even though it's attached to the
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  Aries or it's mutter to right? There's no vine on it right now
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  and you're not planning for the vine to go there.
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  So it's a mutter la khatila to put your tuvua, your wheat
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  underneath it to plant it and you put it there.
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  But if it's there because you want the the vine to grow there,
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  you want it to spread out and be as big as possible, and you want
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  it to go over these to grow on to the extension.
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  So then it has the same exact din as the Aris and it's Areza
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  Asui Zora Takhtehan and it's cradle, A cradle.
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  OK, yeah, yeah. But it has the whole
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  latticework, correct? Correct.
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  OK, if you don't want the vine there, but.
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  The Vine. Does grow there then you?
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  So until it gets there, it's no problem.
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  Once the vine gets there, then you got to then you got to move
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  it right away as soon as you see it.
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  OK, OK, actually, it's too late once it go, because this is a
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  once it grows. Well, once it's there, then you
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  have to ochre it and get rid of it.
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  So then you can. And that's the question.
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  You have to ochre it. Yeah, but it was only by the
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  apple tree. It was different, but by
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  structure, the then it's then it says Oker Hazara, OK, Lamid,
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  right? But it has its own identity and
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  everything. Mitakat is midarabanan.
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  So it's when you deal with the rice of Derabanan, it changes a
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  little bit. OK, It's less black and white
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  depending on the OK, whatever Lamid parakh.
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  What's a parakh? That's a shoot.
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  It just means when the vine, any tree, you always have an extra
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  chute that comes out of it, that which often turns into a branch.
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  If it's a tree, whatever it is, I would say minha Aris, O minha
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  Dalit. So it means it's not literally
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  an minha Aris. It means from the vine that's on
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  the Aris, right? The Aris is our wooden
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  structure. And here you have any time you
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  have vines on top of this Aris, this structure that's so and
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  it's, it goes, yeah, goes beyond fine, goes beyond the
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  boundaries. Exactly.
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  The vine is growing. Or I mean a delete.
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  I'll translate this and then I'll just tell you, Perush
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  hegefen Yehidit and mudlit Agabe Kunsalit.
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  A delete is also a Vine, but it's basically just resting on
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  a, on a stick, one or one simple frame, not a whole Aris.
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  An Aries is more of a area structure or also it's
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  considered 5. It's it's when there's five
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  Gofanian or a Karen, it has the din of a Karen.
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  That's typical. I'm not saying it has to be, but
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  it has both. It has a case of an Aries and
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  the case of a delete. And what's the difference?
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  The delete is even more of a Kadesh.
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  But anyways, an Aries in general is a bigger structure.
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  It's has a din of a Karen, which we're going to see soon today or
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  tomorrow, and A5 defining versus a delete with just one vine over
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  A1 simple frame. OK, bottom line, it doesn't
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  really matter if you have a shoot of a vine.
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  Romano, Tokido, Mishkola, Tuluyabo, Aldharat.
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  So we we touched upon this. What's asser anything underneath
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  it? How do you decide what's
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  underneath it? You take a string with a weight
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  at the end of it. So in other words, you have a
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  straight line. It's not WAVY, it's not curled
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  up. A what?
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  A Plumb line. OK, thank you.
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  So you take a Plumb line straight below and whatever is
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  directly underneath it until the ground the.
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  So it's whatever is directly underneath it.
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  That's what is us. I remember I went to one place
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  and I forget exactly what it's called in California.
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  Maybe one of you remember there's a place where the
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  gravity's a little bit messed up, so there because of some
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  kind of meteor or something. Everything that that goes
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  straight down goes at an A little bit at an angle.
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  It's really weird. But anyway, it says no, the
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  bottom line here is you go straight down.
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  It's normally going to be the exact same.
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  It's gravity. And another way to think about
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  it is you, like I mentioned, you take kilo if the sun would be
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  directly above you, which is usually not the case.
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  So that's why you cannot go by shade.
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  But if the sun would be directly above you, that's what you go by
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  straight down. It would be straight down shade.
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  And what's interesting to point out, it's whatever is directly
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  under the vine as is, right, a vine.
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  It's it's a little springy. It doesn't go straight.
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  You can extend the vine right. But what's whatever, however the
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  vine is, the way it is curled up or whatever it is, whatever is
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  underneath it, that's what's usser.
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  And you don't add any beyond where it is as if you would you
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  were to pull it out and extend it.
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  Oh, so you get you don't. There's no Ester 6th Fahim, 6th
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  Fahim. We're going to get to that soon,
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  maybe tomorrow. 6th Fahim or 4 Amos is from the source the the
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  trunk, not from under. Your only thing that's user is
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  what's directly under underneath it.
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  So OK, you don't have to add 6th Fahim, but also is rotacta
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  vachen hamotea Zamora MI ilan ilan asurli zoroa taktea, right?
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  If you hang your vine from one tree to another.
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  So whatever is underneath that vine is awesome.
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  Kesher keshar kevl ogemi is more keshar ha Roche Aker ilan hareza
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  Moto lizra taka takavel now. But if you if you have a rope
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  that extends beyond it, underneath that rope is not a
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  problem. We motta kevl zek deshihalku
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  Allah vasrigim. We have Alim Harehu Kafirot
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  Vasili Zra Takhtav. So if you take the vine right,
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  and you add, you tie onto the vine a rope.
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  And now this rope goes to another latticework or another
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  tree. So if you want that vine now to
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  continue on this rope, you're using this rope kilu as
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  latticework. So now anything under this rope
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  is the same thing as a Mozart piferote, which is us or
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  Lakhakila to put it under the rope because the mine's going to
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  go there and that was your intention.
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  And then it's so then it's us or Lakhakila.
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  But the avid it's it's still kosher and right, The same case
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  as Kanye Mayotsi. Yeah, you just doing because you
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  want to position the existing bond, but you don't want it to
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  drop, right. So then Lakhakila, you're
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  allowed to put it under that rope.
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  Exactly, Lamadalov. Let's do one more.
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  Hibali zora bitsada Karen. OK, so this is what we were
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  talking about. Now let's say you want to plant
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  next to a vine. How far away must you put it?
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  So hibali zora bitsada Karen, market arba amas mikre ha
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  gifani. So the lacha is if it's a Karen,
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  If it's, would you define that as a vineyard?
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  OK, Karen's a vineyard. So this is obviously it could be
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  a very, very small vineyard, not in manufacturing farmer's
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  definition, but OK. If you have a once you have a
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  vineyard of just 5 vines, 5 trunks, we're going to see that
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  it depends on its geometry and how it's laid out it then it
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  might be classified as a Karen. If it's classified as a halachic
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  Karim, then from the trunk you must, you cannot, it's usher.
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  It's a plant wheat within 4 Amos.
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  And if you do, it's usser behna mikre agafani, right?
• 22:46
  And it only goes by the trunks, right?
• 22:48
  It's one point where it comes out of the ground.
• 22:50
  This is Zeraya. And you're then you're allowed
• 22:52
  to plant at that distance the EM Geffen yehiditi.
• 22:58
  But if it's just one vine or it could be many but in a different
• 23:03
  non halachic geometry, that makes it a carem.
• 23:07
  If it has a halachic status of being a lone or a single line,
• 23:12
  then Marquis lumeno shisha talking with zarea.
• 23:15
  So then what is the sheer that it must be?
• 23:17
  It must be 4. You have to at least six fuck
• 23:21
  him away. Which is 1 AMA right and OK, you
• 23:26
  want to stop or do one more? It'll be more than 2524.
• 23:32
  Yeah. OK, we'll stop here.
• 23:35
  Geometry tomorrow.