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How Keyforge Players Want Vault Tours · Archons Corner

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  All right, everybody, what's going on? I am the one, the
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  only, the w oh okay, I e smaller crowd today. The misfits
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  seem to keep dwindling, which seems to be a recurring effect. But we
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  got the e of eks Hello, key Ford community, Glad to be here,
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  guys. And we've got the grumpiest of grumps also our resident pH d
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  doctor sheep. Can't you just bust out your doctor sheep prescription pad and prescribe
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  yourself some Xanax or something. Don't help health. Only one drug will help
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  this sheep is the cheap is going to be very positive this week. I
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  know that he missed out on Tuesday sharing all his positivity, so it is
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  it is stored up, ready to go and welcome Drescor another happy joining a
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  little bit late the Smoke Show. So we went through this a long,
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  tedious process at our locals on Tuesday, and we we've come to the conclusion
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  that we are beating up Gigi for not having local play. But we have
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  mistakingly dismissed Vault tours, and I think it was something that we just all
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  assumed we're going to be there, but we have not given enough love to
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  Vault Tours and what we'd like to see for the future of Vault Tours,
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  and how important Vault Tours I mean actually are. Today is let me see
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  what I did for my tweet today. I'm sorry, my ex, I
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  don't know what it is anymore. Today is date day eighteen of forty the
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  forty two days of kisus where where crawls into their hole and they will emerge
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  four to six weeks later to give us what they have found, their review
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  and their diagnosis of the past season of Key Forge. So I think I
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  combined a whole bunch of holidays together there in that hole. Like is there
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  like comfy couches? He very in that hole? Oh yeah, he's in
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  the hole, and yeah, there is so much here to be able to
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  disact. I will say, I appreciate all my brothers and sisters out there.
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  It is a wonderful, joyous time of year, and I know where
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  he's seeing this love. But Jesus, I appreciate him load and savior.
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  So you did throw out some different moments I will keep. I mean,
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  it's just it's a very important part for me, and if that needs to
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  be why I'm kicked off that is it, but I think that it is
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  a wonderful time. What we do have is that g did go ahead in
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  the speaks, uh, in their talk. They went ahead and listed on
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  the slide that they identified competitive play was important. But that was it.
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  It was one bullet point and there was no listing of vault tours aspiration to
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  higher level events. I think is how it was posted correctly, which which
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  I took to mean that they're going to continue to have these, you know,
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  slash something very right. They're going to be tours right, like maybe
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  it wouldn't be called maybe it would be called called vaultmester it just maybe maybe
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  it has a different look, a different name, but ultimately it would be
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  some higher level event that we'd all be traveling to to to see Josh and
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  Jeremy sweat for three days. No whatever. Well, so you're you're right.
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  The slide did say PREREQUI prerequisites to local op and on the bottom the
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  last tier was high level aspirational competitive tier. Now, now the word I
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  will be one hundred percent on us that alarm me, and not seeing a
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  listing that we saw on previous We're giving them some credit because they realized that
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  they were very ambitious last year. They posted all these dates and then they
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  could not live up to that on our store championships, our primes and basically
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  the tiers that they had that we had seen previously from FFG and what was
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  listed there for store championships involved. As a result, you know, they
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  are taking four to six weeks. This is a really tough four to six
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  weeks for a lot of the competitive key Forge players. And again that's where
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  our podcast is. But instead of going ahead and dwelling in that, instead
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  of being sad, and I actually I felt that one Josh was very very
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  very good with communicating after our cast last week, and it kind of inspired
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  me to be able to sit down and on Thursday for Thanksgiving, I had
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  some time because of the day off, and I threw my ideas together and
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  I really put what do I want to see for my ideal vault to her.
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  And that's the type of level whatever you want to call it, if
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  that's nationalist, if that's vault, I'm talking a major in person gathering and
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  there's going to be a handful of them that are scattered here in the US
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  and worldwide, and I think that's an important aspect for us to be able
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  to see, but I wanted to put it out there. Maybe this goes
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  ahead and give some ideas from our community to be able to help. Maybe
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  it's something that we can see. I will say a chunk of this was
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  drawn from our key Forge live, which we put a lot of time and
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  effort in. There is some feedback that I have listed out to our locals,
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  but also some other people in the community that I trust, and that's
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  why I'm bringing it here now to this AC show. And I will say,
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  even post that the cast tonight, I hope that it creates a larger
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  discussion on our discord that people will share is this something you'd attend? Is
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  it not? Why or why not? And we're looking for some feedback there
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  or at least I am. So that's kind of a share hiring, right
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  and I and I get that. So without further ado, I did go
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  ahead and actually create a Google Well it was originally my hand scratched notes,
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  but I've transcribed that into into a Google doc and I tried to keep it
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  on literally two columns or one page there. So hopefully this will help as
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  we kind of go through I am looking at a three day event. I'm
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  looking at a Friday, Saturday, Sunday event, and I think that is
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  very important. I think that it keeps us moving, It is a reason
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  to come out. I will say the biggest initial change that you're going to
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  see from my thought process is that instead of our large Arkon or Alliance event
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  and being on Saturday, I positioned it on Friday. And I did this
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  for a couple of different reasons. I put Friday because there is a different
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  demographic who comes out, who wants to be in that competitive scene, who
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  wants to go to multiple vault tours. And I have specifically a buy in.
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  We're not running ARCon and Alliance back to back, not at the same
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  time. It is going to be either Arkon or Alliance or well no,
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  not or in this event Saturday, Okay, on Friday. On Friday,
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  the people who are competitive, you have a chance. Here's your buy in
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  twenty bucks and that's going to help alleviate some of the cost for the payouts.
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  And the money that was listed was there, No, there's a lot
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  the money that was listed there is something that I don't think can go away
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  completely, but definitely needs to be modified and changed. Now The reason that
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  I put arkanor Alliance on Friday was you're going to have people who are diehards
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  who are going to come and travel for it. And so my time was
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  ten am to six on version one, with a one hour lunch period there.
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  Now I'm gonna pause here I ask you a question. So is this
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  okay? So we traditionally, or at least in Gigi's realm, the events
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  that have happened. Is this going to lead? Like? Am I going
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  to get a World's invite from this Friday event? Do I have the opportunity
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  to get a World's invite from this Friday event? So? What I have
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  seen from gig has stated that they are most interested in going ahead and having
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  ARCon An Alliance as their competitive field. And this is where I see the
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  access to worlds coming. Yes, okay, so you would get your invite
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  right there? So okay, so I'd get an invite from this event?
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  Yes, So my only problem with getting an invite from this event is that
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  there are a lot of people who fly in on Saturday. So now we're
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  talking about not only do I have to take Friday off, I also have
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  to take Thursday off to be there by ten am on Friday, correct,
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  So this is on version number two. This was the one change that I
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  well, I put two changes in there. One I went for a higher
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  prize pool instead of it being and I guess I can talk about that I
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  had, I had pay out of the top eight. So I think this
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  is extremely important for us. I had first for one thousand dollars, second
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  five hundred dollars, Third and fourth both two fifty, and then fifth through
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  eighth, I have either one hundred dollars or one box of the current set,
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  and the price point for this actually goes ahead and brings it to twenty
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  four hundred dollars in cash prizes. So notice when we're running previously, what
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  was last year's so we had, yeah, we had we had three thousand,
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  one thousand, and then it should have been two five hundreds for the
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  top four, so it equates to five thousand. But because we were running
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  two events, both Arkan and Alliance, it equated to ten thousand dollars.
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  Now that's a really large prize pool, which is great, but I just
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  don't see our community and our game surviving putting out ten thousand dollars at each
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  of these events. Having run the events. We don't have the numbers to
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  sustain that consistently right now. So my question question for the community, Yes,
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  real quick, because you and I had talked about this. I said,
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  I think this is legitimately a thing that would happen, and you said
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  you because of precedent. And I understand the argument because the president of cash
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  is already there as far as the community goes, like, would you guys
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  be willing to take zero dollars in an event if you were to know events
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  were going to happen? So basically, your your option is have events and
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  have zero prize dollars or not have events. Basically you're not gonna have events.
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  Those are your ops. I mean well, I mean ten thousands A
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  lot of ten thousand dollars is a lot of money draft cart, right.
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  I mean it's not like you or I or E Walker Sheep or between the
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  six members of this cast only three are here. It's not like we could
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  all pool together ten thousand dollars to give away five times a year. That's
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  fifty thousand dollars, right, that's an employee. Think about that. So
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  basically, if if you know, I could very much see a world where
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  they you know, and I would be okay with it. Maybe some of
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  the top end players wouldn't be okay with it, but I mean, as
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  far as I go, tough noogies, like if they were to say,
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  hey, this just isn't something that's feasible with the current field we have right
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  now. We want to continue Vault Tours, but we're going to we're not
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  gonna be able to do prizes. We're not gonna be able to do cash
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  prizes for the twenty twenty four season. Now, whether those prizes come in
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  boxes or product or swag or whatever the case, it is, like that's
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  a that's another option they have to go down. But I think you can
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  get that prize pool a lot lower than ten thousand dollars. I'm not saying
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  zero prize pool. I'm just saying it would be a different prize pool.
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  It's not gonna be a cash prize pool. Like like maybe first and second
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  get a box, second, third and fourth split a box, threw eight
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  split two boxes, you know, something like that. I again haven't done
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  it, but like your honor, i'd like to hear draascore Okay, yeah,
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  no, why I am speaking down the same path right I'm thinking if
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  you if you shrink the dollar pool, right, Like, I don't think
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  we the ten thousand was enough where it was to the point where people are
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  like, yeah, I'm coming specifically for that, and right, we heard
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  some number of folks who you know, felt like, ah, you know,
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  I did pretty well, but like the uh you know, didn't get
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  anything for it, right, yeah, you know, I mean topy twice
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  and didn't get anything and whatever. But decks right now the street value versus
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  the value they're printing them for, right, so there's there's some extra headroom
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  there, right. The I do like the concept of, hey, you
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  get a bunch of decks, right, Hey, if you win, you
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  get a whole bunch. Right, if you come in like there's teering to
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  it, it could probably get away a lot cheaper and probably make more people
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  happy by by giving decks. Right, Not everybody you know wants just a
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  huge pile of decks. But but I think, but I do, But
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  I mean, you do. You can do something special with these decks though,
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  Right. It doesn't have to just be well, here's your grim reminders
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  and it's just a bunch of grim reminders. Decks. They can be you
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  know, uh, rose Oil, rose Oil Vault, maybe foil Roseville vat
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  Vault. Yeah, something stamped special on them, Roseville Vault winner, Roseville
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  Vault second place. Something is maybe in the name or stamped on the deck.
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  Because immediately I see they would have to drastically reduce the price of entry.
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  That's not possible. You have to remember that that has to probably increase
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  it. Yeah, these halls, unfortunately, me and Ewok talked about raising
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  it from seventy five to one hundred. But these halls literally are costing between
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  five and seven thousand dollars. Like I think what was key Forge Live was
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  five right, No, so key Forge Live because we came in Milwaukee,
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  it was post pandemic and like it was literally as quickly as we could get
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  in, we got a deal of three thousand dollars for the hall. Now,
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  we were originally going with a hall that was roughly one thousand, and
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  we just realized we could not house the people we needed to, so we
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  paid three that same hall today though Z had checked after last week, right
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  now it's five and it is now five thousand dollars. So even the cost
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  of that same hall that we had in Milwaukee versus a major market area is
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  already five. It's just that is cost out for GG. That is cost
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  out for anybody who is running an event for GG worldwide, and we have
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  to keep that in mind. That in my ideal right now, I want
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  to be able to target one hundred people, and if I can bring in
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  one hundred people, then you know, you've got to figure how much of
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  that is going out just for the cost, because whether I have twenty people
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  show up or whether I have one hundred people show up, I am going
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  to be paying the five to seven grand for the Haull rental itself, and
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  that's not for judges, that's not for anything else that's going to go into
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  it, for staff members to get there, for transit, and so that
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  was part of the reason why I'm looking at this price structure. For me.
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  Part of the money buy in. If you don't want to play,
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  then don't play, and I have that so it can be separate amount.
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  But I think twenty dollars buy in brings it pretty close to a break even
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  component if we're targeting that one hundred people, and that that's why I was
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  looking at those numbers. This is where you lost me on Tuesday are we
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  looking to compartmentalize the buy in or is it one hundred dollars buy in plus
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  the twenty plus the this plus the are we adding buy ins on as we
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  move through? So this is very much a key Forge Live setup that I
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  had. I wanted to see what would it really run if I'm trying to
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  basically break even or get pretty close to that. You can see the prices
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  that I have for each of the events, and you can put those together
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  as one price and you can play for all of them, or you could
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  go more with what we saw from YETI where you would break it apart.
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  I did not have a decision of it needs to be one way or another.
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  I think there's advantages to both, but I also think that like if
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  people come in for Saturday or Sunday and they can't make Friday, well then
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  it's a little bit cheaper for them based on that. Or I don't want
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  to play in this event because you'll see that I do run in formal pods
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  and second amber running the same time. Like if you're playing in those pods
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  there there would be you be paying for the sealed product, and so that
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  would be separate from what was here. And I don't think we're going into
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  the week. I think this is this is important information, right because I
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  mean this this does break it down in the end, because like I mean,
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  a reduction in prizing would mean a reduction of price. No, it's
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  just different prizing, not a reduction in prizing. I mean we the GG
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  could easily give out one thousand dollars in decks, very easily. But the
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  cost, you have to remember, is way different because when we were buying
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  it for live we had to we were pretty much buying it at market value,
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  where that that cost is very different from gig. But either way,
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  like it's just we're trying to make number one, we're trying to make it
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  feasible to have vault tours. Yes, I think this is a really important
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  part is that if we don't provide some feedback as to this is a way
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  that it can be done and this is what the community really wants for the
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  vault, maybe vaults just go away. I think a lot of people we've
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  heard OP local OP is really important and please please understand it is. It
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  is the heart to building our community so that our numbers can increase. Without
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  it, we're going to continue to get smaller and smaller. However, we
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  cannot just go ahead and say twenty twenty four is just going to be for
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  local pie and completely neglect the large Vault tours. I mean, our overall
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  key Forge community is amazing because world's well. We heard a lot of negativity
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  about some of the things that didn't go well. Seeing people from around the
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  world and playing key Forge for three days was absolutely amazing. That's what I
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  tried to capture here in any of these events, whether you know it's happening
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  in Europe or Asia, or South America or North America, I want people
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  to have fun, to be able to play keyboard in multiple formats, and
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  to be able to do it in roughly, in my opinion, it's going
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  to be it looks to be about one hundred and twenty dollars one hundred and
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  twenty five. I know, Wooki you had talked on Tuesday. We want
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  to try and get that to one hundred. I don't know if that's going
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  to be possible, but you can definitely see the price point needs to increase
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  above the seventy five plus shards that are there. I mean, and let's
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  be real, like when we talk about Magic. When we talk about Pokemon,
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  when we talk about like all these different events, a lot of these
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  aren't doing cash prizes like Magic. I don't think any longer does cash prizes.
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  There's no pro Tour anymore, like they have it's it's called something different,
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  but like there's no big cash prizes. Well even grand Prix are gone.
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  Now they're magic fests, but I don't think, I don't they're not,
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  but now they're called something different. But like their cash prizes severely got
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  cut back severely, like they just didn't. But someone told me to talk,
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  so I jumped in, So I guess, I guess. My point
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  is this is a good point. Basically, sit back and say, hey,
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  our Boll Tour is really the best way to build the community, even
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  even in an aspirational sense. And then if it is, or should be,
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  what what is that supposed to achieve? Right? Or what is it
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  supposed to achieve for Ghost Galaxy? What's it supposed to achieve the tournament organizer
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  who's running the show. What's supposed to achieve for the players? Right?
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  I mean, you're you're talking about you know, what we do in each
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  day. But I guess to me, I'm sitting here back going saying,
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  hey, we we have a moment to pause and say, what are the
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  what what does draw people to come play Key Fords with each other? And
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  what best facilitates that right? And we've we've had this structure from Fantasy FLA
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  and then it was adapted by a Ghost Galaxy, and I think a lot
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  of what was benefiting Worlds is just that people were having a lot of just
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  interaction playing Key Force that wasn't as structured, but there was there was structure
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  to give it some oof in structure to get everybody in the room right.
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  So that's that's where I meant with the big picture, It's like I feel
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  like I feel like we just keep taking as a given we should have vault
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  tours at this stage in the game, with our with our experience, And
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  maybe maybe that's true, but I don't. I haven't seen anyone sit down
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  and say our vault tours necessary and healthy at this point because I don't know.
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  I'm looking at my weekly events and there are less people showing up even
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  after we did have a season of Vault tours. Like Sheep and I run
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  weekly stuff online and the player turnout has has declined is that the Vault tours
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  hinder or help that? So this is this is what I meant by big
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  big picture, as in like is it's it's fun to talk details, right,
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  And I would love to talk details and talk prizing and talk specifics of
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  like what sort of events and how big and how we break down if there's
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  prize money in all those various things. Right, those are fun details.
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  I'm seeing back first, going well, is this even? Is this the
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  right solution? Are we staring at a screw or a nail or attack and
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  which freaking tool should we be grabbing in the first place, because obviously big
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  events with cash prizes did not substantially or I feel like, make a difference
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  in our the number of people enjoying this game with us slash. I think
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  I think your question is very very important and valid for me. What I'm
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  looking at is that this is another means to market and WOOKI you had talked
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  about this on Tuesday. It is a way that I want the Vault to
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  break even. I don't want it to make a ton of money. I'm
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  not looking for it to lose a ton of money because that's bad for GG.
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  But I want it to be a phenomenal experience for the player, and
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  I want it to be something GG can put out on their website to flag,
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  Hey, come and look, come and listen to what's happening, come
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  and watch. It is all on their website. We can have actual content
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  providers that are getting out that can also go ahead and link that or be
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  able to use it. It is a way to build the community in the
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  competitive nature of the game. I think Locals does a phenomenal job for being
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  able to build kind of the smaller like, hey, you're in my area,
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  let's learn about this game. Sealed this phenomenal for that and we'll actually
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  see that coming up on Saturday. Of why I put it there, But
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  I think that we need to still have these big celebration events. They are
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  the culminating activity like you see for worlds, but they're a way to test
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  for some of your spikes who will invest that money. But they're a way
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  still for people to come together. There was so many people that had a
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  phenomenal time playing Keyfarge that I don't want to take that away that just by
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  playing in the Locals or frankly for us, we can go down to Chicago
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  and you can cross the border and have some border battles. I want that
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  to be a larger Keyfarge scene where I can see teams coming in with their
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  shirts that are like, hey, I represent this area and and like there's
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  pride in that from our KeyForge community. And so those are the things that
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  I want to highlight and be able to celebrate. So I don't know if
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  that answers the question, low Car, but it is a really important one.
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  So yeah, and I agree with all too, Like here's the deal,
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  and I think this is kind of the thing we have to recognize.
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  The people that are still around key Forge are the diehards, the people that
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  are going to go to Vault tours. We have way more Sheeps then we
• 25:07
  do random person X who picks up a few decks and plays at his locals.
• 25:11
  Right, the people that are still here, still playing, survived the
• 25:14
  pandemic are the people that are going to show up to Vault tours. And
• 25:18
  that's kind of a period and of story. I mean, mister perfect is
• 25:22
  like probably the anomaly as opposed to like the Sheeps. Like right now,
• 25:27
  Sheep left, Like I just want to make that clear to everybody. Sheep
• 25:30
  left the show today. Because he didn't. He's kind of upset because we
• 25:37
  don't have any I didn't want to say the word, but he's depressed.
• 25:41
  Nothing to look forward to. We have nothing in the I mean, we're
• 25:45
  in a dead spoint four to six weeks. And the fact of the matter
• 25:48
  is, I'm with Sheep on this one. We do see a very easily
• 25:53
  definable world where there is not a Vault Tour and there is no high level
• 25:57
  competition. And for him that is a problem because just showing up to the
• 26:02
  locals every week ain't cut in it. Vault Tours are extraordinarily, extraordinarily important
• 26:08
  to the community. Even if they're cut back to like maybe we have three
• 26:14
  state side a year, something, spread them out a little more I think
• 26:19
  would be Yeah. Good with how they want it. They want a season,
• 26:25
  right and they want to start with store championships, move and move into
• 26:27
  Vault Tours and then finally culminate in November. Right. Well, I'm hoping
• 26:33
  the next four to six weeks, this time period that we're on helps them
• 26:37
  to make sure that their locations are solidified, that they have it spaced out,
• 26:42
  and that we're going to be consistent. Because once we publish a date
• 26:47
  for here's the vaults. I need it to be. Here's where everything is
• 26:51
  around the world, Here's where it is stateside, wherever it's happening. We
• 26:55
  need it, and we need it to be consistent. We also need it
• 26:57
  earlier in the year. There's a lot of people being one of those who
• 27:02
  needs to be able to book time off. Even our good friend Sidney Steele.
• 27:07
  It's like, Hey, I have an event that I have now put
• 27:10
  in and if they open up the vault during this time, I can't be
• 27:12
  there. These are highly committed individuals and we want them to be at our
• 27:18
  large events. They're great for our community, and it goes ahead and just
• 27:23
  requires that they know when the events are. If we wait until March,
• 27:27
  it's honestly, I'm going to tell you March is going to be too late.
• 27:30
  March April is too late unless you're saying, here's the vault window again,
• 27:36
  that is going to be between these months. But even then that's too
• 27:40
  late. It is. I mean, you're talking a majority of the people
• 27:44
  here have I have kids, You have kids. You know how it is.
• 27:47
  Drasscourt has kids. Know things pop up, right, I got birthdays
• 27:52
  that pop up that I can't just like drop every you know, like by
• 27:56
  the time they had released the Vault Tours last year. I mean, I
• 27:59
  got three and their birthdays come in July, August, September. That's bam,
• 28:03
  bam bam. So there's a October and November. I think, yeah,
• 28:07
  yeah, no, I don't have anything that was totally different that was
• 28:11
  that was siblings, but and and November I was at KFC, So all
• 28:18
  right, so I'm gonna bring this back. Yeah, I'm gonna bring this
• 28:21
  back. So the second version, after talking with some people in the community,
• 28:26
  I didn't know if the money was enough, and we could hear clearly
• 28:29
  here even in our forums and the the show as we're going through tonight,
• 28:33
  that money does not drive a lot of people. But I also feel that
• 28:37
  we can't go from five thousand to here's just a box, like it's not
• 28:41
  going to right. I'm gonna I'm I'm going to tell you for me,
• 28:48
  well, that has changed across last year, the amount of money that some
• 28:52
  people are pouring in. We can't just have it be one box. I'm
• 28:56
  going to tell you guys that, and I will represent that group because I'm
• 29:00
  trying to represent different pieces. So what I did is I changed two things
• 29:03
  on a version two, and the two main feedback I heard was that one
• 29:07
  thousand, five hundred, two fifty and one hundred or a box was not
• 29:11
  the right amount. So I upped the price, put the buy into thirty
• 29:17
  or thirty five, and I put it at two thousand, one thousand per
• 29:19
  second, five hundred for third and fourth, sixth, seventh, and eighth
• 29:25
  was all two hundred and fifty. That put us at our price point of
• 29:30
  four thousand and five hundred. All right, here's what I might say about
• 29:34
  about it's still not a lot your icing breakdown? Yep? Will you explained
• 29:38
  it to me? And I are explaining it to me again. I'm still
• 29:41
  confused. I want one price. I want tell me how much I have
• 29:47
  to go and I have to and I have to I have to have to
• 29:51
  just go and play, and I'm fine. I'm fine with that, wookie.
• 29:56
  I just broke it apart because I'm trying to put like because ires what
• 30:00
  nobody's gonna do like this? Okay, So now I gotta buy a ticket
• 30:02
  for this event, and I gotta buy a ticket for this event, and
• 30:04
  I gotta buy a ticket for this that's too much like, well, you're
• 30:08
  getting you're getting lost in that. I'm simply saying we can look at we
• 30:12
  can look back at it, and you can see that it basically raises it
• 30:17
  by another fifteen to twenty bucks. So you're getting close. You're getting closer
• 30:21
  to that one forty one fifty range. But some of our top level,
• 30:25
  to your competitive players, that's they're looking for. I think a majority still
• 30:30
  fall in that one thousand dollars for first is a good option. But I'm
• 30:36
  not telling you that we need to have individual price point buy ins. It
• 30:40
  could be there. You can just do it as the whole weekend. I
• 30:41
  don't care fifty dollars for the weekend. H If you if you start to
• 30:48
  run for the higher price point and you're looking at multiple sealed pods and other
• 30:52
  things during the weekend, yeah you will Well no, no, I will
• 30:56
  say, like if I go do a Okay, so what's my entry fee?
• 30:59
  That's that's what I want to know right now. If I am coming,
• 31:02
  and I am right now at this point, I am booking my flight,
• 31:06
  I'm booking my ticket. I am just I'm just want to get into
• 31:10
  the event and play in the main event. What will that cost me.
• 31:15
  I did not run that WOKI. What I'm saying is I broke up different
• 31:19
  parts. If you look and I think version if you want version one,
• 31:23
  you're going to be roughly at either one hundred or one hundred and twenty dollars,
• 31:29
  and I think one hundred dollars. At one hundred players, that gives
• 31:32
  you what ten thousand dollars to play with, right, Yeah, but again
• 31:37
  you're looking at that. There's some other things. Yes, okay, I
• 31:41
  should say it. I think one hundred. I think one hundred. If
• 31:45
  we can keep it at one hundred dollars, you're going to have more players
• 31:48
  that are there. I'm going to tell you I've kept very good records of
• 31:52
  the vaults that I attended for this year and when we went with both Yetti
• 31:56
  and who's the other. I have my amounts. You'd be surprised at how
• 32:02
  much more we spent pre pandemic when all of the events were separate events.
• 32:12
  I'm gonna tell you I actually were separate. That's not yes at all,
• 32:15
  Yes, yes, they were. What do you mean? So so when
• 32:19
  I went, you actually played in pods consistently on the side, but that
• 32:22
  was off on the side. That's that's a dollar amount that I'm not even
• 32:25
  considering. I know you're not considering it, but I'm telling you if you
• 32:30
  actually had that as here's one price point for the whole weekend, it it
• 32:36
  does, it raises the cost, Okay, and that's fine. But I
• 32:38
  want to know, just like I want to play in the main event.
• 32:40
  Like if I scrub out, I scrub out, that's fine, and maybe
• 32:44
  I play in five or ten pods at you know whatever, the cost is
• 32:47
  a piece and that's fine, But like I just want to know, like
• 32:51
  what, because I think the main thing. I think we're getting confused and
• 32:54
  I'm getting confused. This here is what? What is it? Just I'm
• 32:58
  showing up. I'm playing in the main event. Okay, So since you
• 33:01
  want to jump to that, let me be very frank. Friday, I
• 33:05
  had Arcunter Alliance. I had basically price sealed on Saturday, in a team
• 33:10
  event on Sunday. Those are the three main events that you're going to see
• 33:14
  that you would pay for. All of that is going to run me right
• 33:16
  now with my costs at one oh five. That is what it is right
• 33:22
  now that I had. Okay, So if I'm participating in all the main
• 33:24
  events, it would be one hundred and five dollars, which is right around
• 33:30
  one hundred dollars Mark. I wanted to because I'm gonna be honest with you,
• 33:32
  especially for me, when I mean, I know you're very thorough when
• 33:36
  you do your budgeting, because I asked you to help me do my budgeting
• 33:39
  for KFC, and like you were pretty thorough with it, and I was
• 33:42
  like, jeez, I wouldn't have never gone this thorough, So thank you
• 33:45
  for that. But like this is this is why you're seeing in the sheet
• 33:49
  a lot of minutia. But let me let me go ahead and go through
• 33:52
  it. I the second feedback piece that I heard from people is I have
• 33:57
  to come in on Thursday night, take another day if the event starts at
• 34:01
  ten am on Friday. And I hear that. So the second version,
• 34:07
  the other switch was to start basically at one o'clock and go one to nine.
• 34:13
  But what it's going to sacrifice, because something has to be sacrificed is
• 34:16
  on my version one, I had a fun key Forge event that's run after
• 34:21
  dinner. So what was happening early in the Vault season is that we were
• 34:24
  going ahead and basically the hall kind of well. Early in the season,
• 34:30
  the hall pretty much cleared out except for those of us who are trying to
• 34:34
  grind in the two loss and you're just trying to fight all the way back
• 34:39
  through, and so there were only a couple people standing around. Very few
• 34:42
  people were playing pods, and it was kind of sad. As the season
• 34:46
  went on, we had more people who we finished earlier, kind of closer
• 34:52
  to that six range, and then the hall just kind of emptied two and
• 34:55
  I missed some of the quiet, just enjoyable key Forge, and so what
• 35:00
  I put here for Friday was just a fun key Forge event three rounds.
• 35:05
  And this is where I'm hoping that we can use a couple of the things
• 35:09
  that people are spending money on but not necessarily getting used. And the first
• 35:14
  one was Alliance or ARCon. So if I'm doing an ar kind of events,
• 35:16
  I'd have Alliance. That is a fun three round. If I do
• 35:20
  Alliance, then I'd have ARCon. Is that fun. So whatever wasn't earlier
• 35:22
  in the day other things Menagerie, Sealed, Shredder, Unchained, And I
• 35:29
  say that because Menagerie and Unchained do not have places right now in any tournament
• 35:34
  format. But so there's really no place to be able to use it.
• 35:37
  To this day, I have a full box of Unchained that is completely sealed,
• 35:40
  that has not been used, and I would love to have a reason
• 35:44
  to be able to use it. And I think a fun three round event
• 35:46
  would be something that would be there. So that's why I had put that
• 35:50
  as more of a fun event. That's my question for this is we've made
• 35:54
  Unchained, we've made Menagerie. I think we can maybe and you can tell
• 35:58
  me if I'm wrong, chat everybody that's here. Maybe you can just combine
• 36:01
  those two, like Unchained and Menagerie are one. They sort of are,
• 36:07
  they kind of are right. Menagerie is just it's two point zero. I
• 36:09
  mean probably, I don't I don't know if I'm chained, if Menagerie is
• 36:14
  as strong as Unchained and vice versa. However, why are these not formats?
• 36:21
  Why why can't we have I mean, here's the biggest could be.
• 36:27
  Here's here's the biggest thing that I've seen. Number one, the cry for
• 36:31
  Sealed to return and be its traditional sealed. I mean, if it's sealed
• 36:37
  Alliance, it's sealed Alliance, it's whatever. But this for two minutes Wookie
• 36:42
  because that's Saturday. Man, I'm holding, I'm holding, okay, but
• 36:45
  I just I don't think putting an event on Friday where it's ten am is
• 36:50
  I don't think you're gonna see much. I don't think you're gonna see much
• 36:53
  turnout for that what I would like to ultimately see. And I know you
• 36:57
  did a lot of work on this, so let me just get this off
• 36:59
  my chest. That get off my soapbox. I would like to see,
• 37:02
  Hey, Roseville Vaults trainers trying to use different verbiage and vault Master. But
• 37:12
  this weekend will be a U. This is a sealed weekend, done end
• 37:19
  of story. It is sealed. You know what you're going to play.
• 37:22
  I play one hundred dollars. I get my decks right, I am going
• 37:27
  to go. Saturday will be sealed. We go through two l O and
• 37:30
  then Sunday is top cut. It should be a quick top well now that
• 37:35
  there's no time limit, but I mean Saturday is this, Sunday is top
• 37:39
  cut and then we roll right and pretty much how YETI ran it. That's
• 37:45
  I mean, honestly, that's what I want there. Friday can be pods,
• 37:50
  Friday can be fun Friday can be all sorts of you know menagerie pods,
• 37:54
  these pods, that pods, all the all the fun, so that
• 37:58
  if you're if you're corn you got to go to Budapest before you come in,
• 38:02
  Yeah you're Charlotte, which is where I was trying to get back here
• 38:06
  in time to get on this cast. Right. But like literally like you're
• 38:10
  not missing any of the fun Friday. You're able to fly in at your
• 38:14
  leisure, get a good night's sleep, to get prepared for the big event
• 38:16
  on Saturday. I hear that has been consistent feedback. That's there. I
• 38:22
  put the big event for Friday because the players who are going to come out,
• 38:25
  who want to be in this vault, that's they want to be qualifying
• 38:30
  for Worlds. That's where it is. That's your highly competitive players. And
• 38:34
  I did it for a very specific reason that we're about to talk about.
• 38:37
  So the other thing before I do that, I had informal pods running all
• 38:40
  day Friday. That's that's very much in the background. I also had second
• 38:44
  amber that's running after the open, whether that's Urt Hunner Alliance. But here's
• 38:47
  the thing for me, players are automatically directly poured into Second Amber after their
• 38:52
  second loss. They don't even see a difference outside of it just says Second
• 38:57
  Amber. It's telling you go to this table, we can continue you You're
• 39:00
  going to continue to play, and you have to opt out from the app
• 39:05
  in order to be able to be dropped from it. That is, you
• 39:07
  would not see a difference from what used to be. You know, here's
• 39:14
  our standard strength of schedule. Everyone is in. You would still think that
• 39:19
  everyone is in the tournament. Everyone's playing side by side. The only difference
• 39:22
  is the players who are playing keep dwindling for that actual final top eight,
• 39:28
  and if you want to drop to play in pots, go for it.
• 39:30
  But that's how I see Second Amber as being more of a use for us
• 39:37
  as players. Now I put Saturday morning as our top four. Now here's
• 39:43
  the big thing. All of my games, I'm playing best of one,
• 39:47
  and I got some feedback about this. I really this is the one piece
• 39:51
  that I had to kind of think and push around. But frankly, for
• 39:54
  me, the top four game that I lost was no different from the top
• 40:00
  the final table that was at Roseville. In fact, June actually beat me
• 40:06
  in one and then three. I don't think there was enough discrepancy to be
• 40:09
  able to see that. I think that there's high value in being able to
• 40:15
  play best of three games. But I will say key Forge has some luck,
• 40:20
  and it gives a little bit more fun for that underdog person to see
• 40:23
  a couple players who are up there who ran for decks. Great, if
• 40:28
  your DAK can continue to look you have lucked with multiple wins before that.
• 40:32
  Why does that magically change from top four to top two. I think it
• 40:36
  would slim it down, and so for me, it's going to be all
• 40:38
  best of one. I think that's for some of the fun of key Forge.
• 40:40
  Random luck is part of this game. And I had Top four open
• 40:45
  basically nine to noon, so you're gonna check in at nine, nine thirties
• 40:49
  your Top four game, ten thirties your finals. And what I had is
• 40:52
  the Top eight game was actually played on Friday night already, so people will
• 40:55
  get their prize there they see it. But you're running the top four or
• 41:00
  on Saturday, and with that, because it's gonna start what I consider bring
• 41:06
  your locals vaults. We're hoping to get more people in on Saturday, and
• 41:10
  you get that from your local area, and so that is why people can
• 41:15
  drive a little bit further from some of the outlying areas to be able to
• 41:19
  be there for Saturday. Sealed is where anyone who is less competitive or who
• 41:23
  just enjoys the game feels I can open a deck and win, and that's
• 41:28
  why I'm putting it on Saturday. So I had that basically from ten thirty
• 41:32
  until six o'clock, and I felt a little bad for the people who were
• 41:37
  in the finals to just not be able to play sealed. So what I
• 41:40
  did is, Hey, you're gonna go ahead, and you're gonna take a
• 41:44
  first round by. And that was a little bit of feedback. I know,
• 41:49
  Wookie, you did not really like when I gave the first round by.
• 41:51
  But I still think, if I'm playing in the main event and I
• 41:54
  want to be able to play sealed because players want to play sealed, why
• 41:59
  not give them Why not give them in Again, I still think like it
• 42:02
  needs to be one consistent thing. This fault Tour is sealed, right,
• 42:07
  this is what you will these This is because in all other formats magic,
• 42:13
  you gio Pokemon for the for the world's events. These players need to be
• 42:20
  proficient in all these different formats. Right in Magic, you for your world,
• 42:25
  you are going through multiple rounds. You are going through a modern round,
• 42:29
  well, they and they vary. You are going through a sealed round
• 42:32
  where you need to be good at drafting, you are going through a modern
• 42:36
  round where you need to be good at modern, and you are going through
• 42:38
  a standard round where you also need to be good at standard. Right,
• 42:44
  I think that might be too much for key Forge. And the reason we
• 42:47
  talked about and we talked about an ELO systems. I would say, you
• 42:52
  and I talked about an ELO system, and I think that would always you
• 42:58
  draft in one other format, right, right, right, okay, regardless
• 43:00
  an ELO system right for the season, you have an ELO system. Now,
• 43:07
  I don't know whether you put in your locals in your ELO system or
• 43:10
  you just do a vault ELO system where you are playing in a vault,
• 43:15
  you get matched up, you play, and we're depending on where you are,
• 43:20
  you you make it to Worlds depending on your ranking for ELO. Yeah.
• 43:25
  So for me, I see ELO as being a little bit different.
• 43:29
  I see elos being just for the vaults, and I would not place ELO
• 43:32
  as Hey, I have a higher el O, I get it first round
• 43:36
  by and I get to take that break. I think that everyone is an
• 43:38
  even level play. Everyone should be on even level playing field. But like
• 43:43
  your elo is going to determine whether you have made worlds or not. Correct
• 43:46
  that I could definitely smart if go ahead. So what if we did this
• 43:52
  because uh, like I'm debating in my head the whole Friday versus Saturday thing,
• 44:00
  and right, there's whole bunch of chats. You know, all our
• 44:02
  great audience is chatting about all the things they hate about our thing. But
• 44:07
  that's why I put it out, so that about that others can tear it
• 44:09
  apart. But right, but but but then there's also complaints about what we
• 44:14
  do today. Right, So so yes, there's no perfect system. But
• 44:16
  what if we did something like this? What if you alternated, meaning you
• 44:22
  had both Sealed and Arcan but one time it was one of the events was
• 44:29
  on you know, Arcon's on Friday. This time, next time it's on
• 44:32
  Saturday and sealeds on Friday. So you like alternate which ones on which day
• 44:38
  you're still doing both things. You're just giving folks options in terms of,
• 44:44
  Hey, the folks that are gonna you know, travel more, can maybe
• 44:46
  do both the folks cycling and do the weekend. Still is the option to
• 44:50
  do the ones they want. I don't know, like, uh, I
• 44:52
  know, it doesn't quite get to the local Sealed Saturday that you're thinking,
• 44:59
  but all sometimes, but I wonder if that gives more flexibility. I still
• 45:04
  wonder if you just put the finals on Sunday though. So the reason the
• 45:08
  reason I do still want Drascore experience. There's gotta be time to go hang
• 45:15
  out, get dinner, have drinks with your friends. And that's a big
• 45:19
  part of the Vault Tour and the player side experience is being able to go
• 45:22
  out. How about are your friends you haven't seen in a while, Go
• 45:25
  talk to t t R, Go talk to AC, go talk to HFFS
• 45:30
  and and kind of hang out, catch up all all that good stuff.
• 45:34
  I just reason ahead, I was saying. I was saying. The reason
• 45:39
  that I put the top four right after that is to be able to give
• 45:45
  you a chance. So one, if you qualify for both Sealed and your
• 45:51
  ark On or your Alliance or whatever we're going to run, you now have
• 45:54
  issues on how that timing is going to be run on Sunday, And that
• 45:59
  is the reason why I put it so it's just the next day. It
• 46:01
  also impacts one day, so you most likely will have either Friday night or
• 46:07
  Saturday nights that you should be able to go out. Go ahead, No,
• 46:14
  And just because I see some yeah, bys did screw up the system,
• 46:20
  so I think that would need to be I don't like the idea of
• 46:22
  a first round by because if I want to play sealed, then I'm over
• 46:25
  here and I can't because by Bys did screw up the system. Yeah,
• 46:30
  well it screwed it up because and you remember, you don't know how many
• 46:34
  players you're going to have show up, like there's you can have an idea,
• 46:37
  but you're still going to have tickets at the door. Yeah, right,
• 46:40
  So that that has the potential to have the same effect that we had
• 46:45
  on KFC at these every one of these events. I will say, for
• 46:51
  me, a Wookie, what I am looking for is an event that has
• 46:55
  multiple events that I'm looking forward to. I want to put a lot in
• 47:00
  to that time period without absolutely burning out I think my staff, but without
• 47:06
  burning out, without burning out my staff, which is my judges, which
• 47:09
  is the staff who is running the actual event itself and the players. So
• 47:15
  what I liked about this is some of the key Forge fun events that you'll
• 47:19
  see, like Saturday night, I can go back and at seven to ten,
• 47:22
  here's another key Forge fun event that you're going to be able to participate
• 47:27
  in. If you want to just hang out with your friends and go,
• 47:30
  you know, enjoy a much longer dinner outside of the hour, that's fine.
• 47:34
  Then you're not there for the key fordge event. But if you want
• 47:36
  to be, it's another way to come back that you have something to look
• 47:38
  forward to. Now, I will say the payout I think is very important
• 47:42
  for Sealed. I think this was an issue in a real turnoff for a
• 47:46
  number of players. Is Sealed this year was more of a casual event,
• 47:52
  and with that, people still came out and did their best and they fought
• 47:57
  just as hard as ar Counter Alliance. But instead of the cash prize of
• 48:00
  five thousand dollars total that was available, you got one deck, and like
• 48:07
  that was pathetic. So that that is where I will say for me,
• 48:10
  I want to head and I put a unique playmat. We know, I'm
• 48:14
  trying to stick with what Gigi has in their wheelhouse to make specialized decks and
• 48:19
  specialized mats. Now, I think this still has a lot of playmats that
• 48:22
  Wookie, after talking with you I really like the idea of doing some more
• 48:25
  of the stamped decks that are, you know, vault to or Roseville or
• 48:30
  Vault to r Philly. I honestly think that that would command a higher price
• 48:36
  on the secondary market, which is something that would incentivize people to go to
• 48:39
  a vault. That's what we're looking for. But what I had come up
• 48:44
  with, I didn't have your great idea was just a unique playmat, and
• 48:46
  Loca car had talked with us at local about the unique playmat is. You
• 48:52
  know, when there's a physical attachment to something, I am more prone to
• 48:55
  be able to use that. So if I took first and I had the
• 49:00
  saying I took first at this vault, then I'm going to be more likely
• 49:02
  to use that versus Hey from game found. I just acquired more mats with
• 49:07
  the houses or general items, so I had one unique playmat for all the
• 49:13
  top eight and then first also gets one box of the current set. Zecond
• 49:17
  got their playmat plus eight decks of the current set, Third and fourth each
• 49:22
  got their playmat plus four decks of the current set, and fifth, sixth,
• 49:28
  seventh, and eighth got their playmat plus two decks of the current set.
• 49:30
  Now that equates to three sealed boxes, and I think that is reasonable
• 49:37
  when you look at prize support being able to go out, but it's still
• 49:39
  something that's enough to incentivize, like, hey, I would do that,
• 49:44
  So I mean like sixty bucks right, Like, well maybe not then they
• 49:49
  could they could jack that up a little bit, right. I think that
• 49:52
  it could be higher, But again I don't know what their specific price points
• 49:57
  are on the boxes, and that's why I did try put out product.
• 50:00
  But they're gonna have real good understanding of Hey, that's fifth through eighth.
• 50:05
  To walk out with a box of the current set that could be awesome,
• 50:08
  or even two boxes like that is an attractant for players to come out.
• 50:14
  And that's what I'm really trying to say here. And I think the the
• 50:17
  like getting yourself like a name's deck, getting yourself that cool poster, like
• 50:23
  hey, we're gonna mail this to you in a few weeks time, right,
• 50:27
  like you can like uh, you know some you know Vault what do
• 50:31
  you want Vault Winner? Right, like that sort of thing, What do
• 50:36
  you want Vault top cut or and uh, what do you do you remember
• 50:42
  the name? Yeah? Do you remember the Nationals? Like special deck treatment
• 50:45
  that was there. Do you remember that bordering the gamma and all that is
• 50:52
  that we're talking about. The deck had like yellow bordering like it was really
• 50:59
  was it like rainbow? I'm trying to remember. I thought it's the only
• 51:02
  one that exists. So I thought there was one in Canada's Oh, there
• 51:07
  might be one in Canada. Yeah, but I thought, I don't know,
• 51:10
  but tell me where the Canada before the pandemic we had an emationals event,
• 51:16
  right it was. I believe it was adaptive if I remember that was
• 51:22
  so co dammer and won the sealed the sealed nationals for the US and that
• 51:30
  basically you got a deck that had a special treatment on it. But that's
• 51:35
  super cool, super rare, super unique. And it was run for the
• 51:40
  Nationalist Because I know Sheep's not here, but I'm going to say what Sheep's
• 51:45
  thinking right now, doesn't need more, Like more decks is not going to
• 51:49
  drive people. I think more decks does drive people, so especially winning.
• 51:52
  But like that they have to be I don't know, because like I'm still
• 51:55
  personalized like that, I'm right, But if they're if they're junk, they're
• 52:02
  still junk. They are. But but but but Here's here's the thing.
• 52:07
  Look, Loca car have posted in our chat when you can go ahead and
• 52:12
  have a VT pin and logo stamped onto your deck, and all of a
• 52:15
  sudden that junk deck. People are still collecting Gamma decks because they're rare,
• 52:21
  and we look at your Vault Master decks there. I don't know my kids
• 52:24
  just collecting Gamma decks. I got a buck, I got a whole box
• 52:27
  of them. I kid you not. If there are only so many decks,
• 52:32
  let's say that there are eight decks or sixteen decks or literally twenty decks
• 52:37
  that are coming out for a vault, those all of a sudden, even
• 52:42
  being a junk deck hold more value to your collectors. So in KEYBOARDE we
• 52:46
  have certain players that are just looking for their competitive decks, but we also
• 52:51
  have some people that will collect everything or try to collect everything, and so
• 52:55
  that there there are people who are definitely out there who are going to be
• 52:58
  looking for it. And I will tell you my buddy who played Mac Warrior
• 53:01
  with us, tried to collect one of each of the different mechs and they
• 53:06
  had special l ems. It's something that for collectors it adds value. I
• 53:10
  think that would be a reason to come out. I just because I mean,
• 53:15
  maybe I just don't see much collecting going on in the key Forge world,
• 53:20
  and maybe I just just not something I'm a part of, so I
• 53:22
  don't see it. But it's tough to collect anything in keybards because it's not
• 53:25
  like I can swap one for another. It's not like I can change this
• 53:29
  out, like the decks either good or it's bad. Well, I don't
• 53:32
  think there's any middle gird can can you get Gamma? Gamma has that you
• 53:37
  no, no, but it has that unique stamp we can see. We
• 53:40
  can see the alt art decks that has people coming out for. I wanted
• 53:45
  the alt art decks. I wanted one of each of them. So now
• 53:47
  if you have limited supply, cost is going to go up. And I'm
• 53:52
  telling you that's a positive for your competitive players. Think about ze Ze talked
• 53:55
  about playing fab He went out and took his winnings. He literally didn't go
• 54:00
  ahead and place as hig as he wanted to in the main event, but
• 54:04
  he went in the side events and the prizing from there he was was unique.
• 54:07
  He could turn around and sell it for a profit. That is something
• 54:12
  that your competitive players. They basically can break even for the weekend. There's
• 54:15
  a reason to come out. So that that's I think your idea is an
• 54:21
  attractant and that's what we want, is what will people be attracted to and
• 54:25
  why will they come in to play the game. Or maybe they're like you
• 54:29
  get to pick the color of the border, or you get to like give
• 54:34
  them a logo and they'll just put that logo on the deck, like like
• 54:38
  as long as it beat certain requirements or even if it doesn't look perfect,
• 54:43
  right, Like the reason you could do there's a lot you can do.
• 54:46
  The reason that I had the stamp, either like Gamma or the treatment is
• 54:51
  you could do it ahead of time and you only need the one deck that's
• 54:53
  going here. You have your certain number of decks, you print them,
• 54:57
  and you're bringing them with So that's that's why I had done it. Like
• 55:00
  the mats, Like the mats I could see holding some value, right because
• 55:06
  mats across the board have always been like kind of big, right, like
• 55:12
  magic you get like all those mats are super duper, Like people want those
• 55:15
  in top eight, top this top they're like you can go to a lot
• 55:19
  of game stores and see that those like they still hold value depending on the
• 55:23
  art and whatnot. I don't know if more pumping more decks and the more
• 55:28
  I think about the prize and like pumping more decks into the market, like
• 55:30
  does that does that I attract people? And I will tell you I would.
• 55:36
  I don't know about you guys, but I would prefer to have the
• 55:38
  specialized stamp deck, even if it is even the most reversal deck. I
• 55:45
  would rather have that than I would rather have another Matt. I just wonder
• 55:47
  how long it lasts, you know what I mean? Because we were all
• 55:51
  pumped for Gamma decks and we all ran out and we got Gramma decks and
• 55:53
  then we're like, oh, these are like any other deck, They're garbage.
• 55:58
  I mean, I still like when I see x Ray on TCL,
• 56:02
  will consider joining that game and bringing my x ray sucks des sure, you
• 56:07
  know, so like there's there's the real long term, but like there there
• 56:15
  is a there's a point of diminishing return on a lot of these, right,
• 56:20
  And I don't know, like store, I just because I can keep
• 56:23
  giving you decks, Like at what point is it, like, well,
• 56:28
  now there's just too many decks in the market that none of them are really
• 56:30
  worth anything. None of them are bangers, none of them are going to
• 56:34
  get me anywhere. Where do I sit on this? You're telling me that
• 56:37
  if there's only eight decks or sixteen decks that are printed for a vault,
• 56:43
  those are not going to be cherished items or spot after. I wish we
• 56:47
  had Godammon right now, because I would be like, how many people have
• 56:51
  made offers on your nation, your blinged out National Vault National's deck and has
• 56:57
  he sold it? That's like it is still but I mean it's all out
• 57:04
  of the scene too. But if he's out of the scene and he's still
• 57:07
  unwilling to let it go, that should tell you something. I'm telling you
• 57:09
  special print run is there? I also like, uh, but how many
• 57:15
  have people reached out for it? Is my question? Yeah, I will
• 57:19
  say, looking at the chats here, I'd rather have the ability to request
• 57:21
  from gig a special print for a deck I own, which is interesting.
• 57:23
  I do think that winning something at ads a tournament is really important if it's
• 57:30
  unique and directly there's an emotional attachment there. Thanks Sokakar that that was the
• 57:35
  word that we're looking for. But that emotional attachment I won with Melondrack taking
• 57:39
  third for Worlds. Emotionally, I pink Bunny Games deck if I still have
• 57:45
  it somewhere. But but I'm saying, like for me, that now has
• 57:47
  emotional attachment, and maybe if I win sealed, that doesn't have the same
• 57:52
  attachment. So maybe having maybe having a deck where I can print is It's
• 57:58
  an interesting concept. Again, I hadn't thought about it. It was just
• 58:00
  my ideas and oftentimes that's what I'm worried about, is that any good team,
• 58:07
  if there's only a couple people on it, you're limited on the feedback
• 58:12
  and the response, and sometimes you can have a positive bounce back with the
• 58:15
  thoughts. So that's why I open it up to the larger cast, and
• 58:19
  I know it can be torn apart. That's great. That gives more information
• 58:22
  to GG to frankly say hey, here's what we like or here's what we
• 58:25
  don't like. I don't think it's going to be a perfect situation in any
• 58:29
  one way, but we have to put ourselves out there and say we need
• 58:32
  something and here's a potential structure for it. It may be own. You
• 58:38
  still have it, well, I mean it's probably junk now because it was
• 58:42
  an LA deck and that's when LA was still LA. But that's why I
• 58:45
  had chosen from the pot, because it was still an LA deck. But
• 58:50
  now I'm going to go to Sunday. I think that Sunday again, I
• 58:54
  followed nine to noon being able to sleep in a little bit. Is nine
• 59:00
  check in, nine thirty, top four games, ten to thirty your finals
• 59:01
  game for that sealed, But the big, big event that I basically am
• 59:07
  going ahead and running. I did not offer slots there for those who are
• 59:12
  in the finals. I had also looked at an eight to thirty slat,
• 59:15
  but I think after the late night Sunday needs to be a little bit more
• 59:19
  delayed. But the main event for Sunday for me is a team event,
• 59:22
  and this is really a ten to four with a one hour lunch I had.
• 59:28
  You can see what I have for the buy in, but basically four
• 59:30
  rounds, but I want it limited. Here's sixteen teams or here's thirty two
• 59:35
  teams. I also do see teams of two as an option. But here
• 59:38
  we can run events because you're like, hey, what can we run,
• 59:42
  well man, we can run arkhun Alliance, Menagerie, Unchained, Adaptive Reversal
• 59:45
  two v two. You can run so many different events, and the team
• 59:52
  event really did excite people when it was there. It was something that you're
• 59:55
  playing with your locals. Even people who didn't and like they came in with
• 1:00:00
  only themselves or maybe one or two people, they still signed up. Man,
• 1:00:05
  we went through the speed rounds at Worlds and I didn't play with someone
• 1:00:09
  who was from our local group because they needed someone else. Hey, you
• 1:00:13
  know how to play key forks, Let's do it. It was great to
• 1:00:15
  be able to have that camaraderie and that experience. So we had sign ups
• 1:00:21
  for team event and then that's what I'm picturing here. I did have payouts
• 1:00:25
  for first and that was a special play met again and four decks for each
• 1:00:29
  person, so you got a box because four times three is you're twelve.
• 1:00:32
  But I also had for all teams that XO, you're gonna get four decks
• 1:00:37
  yourself. You're just not getting that special play mat or the special Like.
• 1:00:42
  I actually really liked the deck being outlined. What was my tiebreaker? Most
• 1:00:45
  keys? So if we're looking like most keys is something they would have to
• 1:00:50
  be added into play style, but it would be something then you could track.
• 1:00:54
  Hey, my team when I had and had three two three, and
• 1:00:59
  we won two to one. And that's how you can go ahead and get
• 1:01:02
  keys and it's something to kind of fight for. But still all XO teams
• 1:01:07
  are getting something. The only difference would be would it be a special treatment
• 1:01:10
  or your Matt. So I love the team events and I think it's a
• 1:01:14
  great way to be casual in a way to kind of take that break on
• 1:01:19
  Sunday. Thoughts on that one, Guys, Yeah, I mean team events.
• 1:01:24
  I'm all about like a team events were Yeah, We're a lot of
• 1:01:29
  fun. So I do think having team events in some regard in these events
• 1:01:37
  would be would be good. People will be into it all right, and
• 1:01:44
  then I still think this gets us out in time. I will say,
• 1:01:47
  looky for me, I'm a little concerned that if we just have one event
• 1:01:55
  and that's it, that I like to put too much in. I do
• 1:02:01
  that with my family, do that at school. So that's me and that's
• 1:02:06
  probably something I have to pull back. But if I only have one little
• 1:02:08
  bit to look forward to, I think that it really kills the scene,
• 1:02:12
  especially if I'm coming out to an event just for KeyForge. So I want
• 1:02:15
  to put multiple things that you can do if you want to opt out,
• 1:02:19
  opt out, but I want something to it gravitate or draw people in.
• 1:02:25
  I think that it's enough. Yeah, this isn't it either, But either
• 1:02:32
  way, that's that's regardless of nobody. Nobody knows what you're talking about.
• 1:02:37
  Keep going. He keeps sending me these things. It's like, that's not
• 1:02:39
  it either. But I think personally like, uh, too much. So
• 1:02:46
  I go to disney World, Right, you don't know what to do.
• 1:02:49
  First. If you go to Disney World, you go and you you no,
• 1:02:55
  no, no, no, no. Okay, first of all,
• 1:02:58
  now that you got me to know you guys don't want to go down this
• 1:03:00
  rabbit hole. You're going ahead and you're at the gate by X time we
• 1:03:05
  have this lined up. You're going to go ahead and you're going to gate
• 1:03:07
  drop. You're on the right. You're going to specific area because you want
• 1:03:12
  to be in this area and not be waiting for lines, so not before
• 1:03:15
  time. You're getting here here. Not all of us have I'm going to
• 1:03:19
  Disney World every year, but I mean some of us love Mickey. Some
• 1:03:24
  of us love Mickey. Too many options is not necessarily a great thing.
• 1:03:30
  And this is why I need you. I want, I want to Friday.
• 1:03:37
  Right Friday, you have all your like RINKYDNK casual events, you give
• 1:03:40
  out, you know, a handful of decks here and there or whatever.
• 1:03:45
  Saturday is your main event. You're going to make your cut. And I
• 1:03:50
  don't know if they want to do a top Josh has left us, but
• 1:03:52
  I don't know if you want to do a top four cut, top eight
• 1:03:55
  cut? How how have they been doing it in Voltago. Josh is already
• 1:04:00
  has all the notes he needs. He's like, I'm gonna go implement this.
• 1:04:02
  Yeah, probably not, but I I hope that even if there's a
• 1:04:06
  little bit that can be taken, and not even from my notes, but
• 1:04:11
  it could be from anyone who is in chat, this all helps and so
• 1:04:14
  I'm excited for that. I will tell I will tell you that what excited
• 1:04:18
  me was Drascourt's idea, Hey, let's switch it up. You want to
• 1:04:20
  do Friday and Saturday, and in the next VT have Saturday and Friday,
• 1:04:26
  Like switch those events. The only thing that gets a little bit tricky is
• 1:04:29
  if I'm running ARCon on Friday, you're splitting the community. Stop because most
• 1:04:35
  people aren't gonna be able to make it on Friday. Like that's just a
• 1:04:39
  period and of story. They're not gonna be able to make it. They're
• 1:04:42
  not gonna take the extra day off to fly on Thursday to come up Friday,
• 1:04:45
  Saturday Sunday, like most events that are run for almost everything else are
• 1:04:49
  our Friday, Saturday Sunday. Friday is a part to my friend, here's
• 1:04:55
  your nickel, A funk around day. You meet, you meet people,
• 1:05:00
  you have some friends, you you whatever. You meet people, you have
• 1:05:04
  some friends, you set up you kind of you know, you do the
• 1:05:08
  things, you play some side events. You have a bunch of fun,
• 1:05:12
  right, and then you go into Saturday, which is your main event,
• 1:05:15
  your main event. What why does it have to be that way? Because
• 1:05:18
  it's too much. You've you've already confused me, and it's like I don't
• 1:05:23
  even know what I'm doing on my first Vault, my first Vault tour post
• 1:05:27
  pandemic. I'm just too confused. Okay. So it's very simple. You're
• 1:05:30
  going to come in and you're going to either play Sealed what damn I coming
• 1:05:34
  in? It depends what you want to be there. If you want to
• 1:05:38
  play, I don't want to miss out on anything. So now I got
• 1:05:42
  to be there on Thursday. No, be there Friday morning, Okay,
• 1:05:46
  So I just I don't I don't see this as as an issue. If
• 1:05:49
  you want to be there, if it's in your local area, you're taking
• 1:05:54
  off there in the local area for most people, if you're if you're not,
• 1:05:58
  then I mean, there are so many events that Sheep and I flew
• 1:06:00
  into that we left here in the morning and we are still able to make
• 1:06:05
  the event. And I think that the one to nine slot definitely works for
• 1:06:10
  that. And if again, this is where Gig, I'm not going to
• 1:06:15
  be able to give them all the information, but I think that one to
• 1:06:18
  nine offers that. I honestly think that Wookie, if you want to be
• 1:06:23
  there on a Friday, and you have ample notice ahead of time, that
• 1:06:26
  you can take off, like, hey, that's in five months from now,
• 1:06:30
  you're going to take off the four Fridays that I guess it also depends
• 1:06:33
  if I do have ample notice, and not only ample notice, but like
• 1:06:40
  I guess, it depends on how much PTO I have all that, you
• 1:06:44
  know, and but a lot of it's going to depend on on my my
• 1:06:48
  you know, I mean, all this is going to be dependent on family
• 1:06:51
  too, So I guess it's just which is why we need to get it
• 1:06:56
  out as which is why we need to get out it as soon as possible
• 1:06:59
  and have it solidified. Here, here's your big poster of when you can
• 1:07:01
  go now. I put some other thoughts. I think that for when we
• 1:07:06
  ran KeyForge Live, we had some decisions about printing mats or printing T shirts.
• 1:07:14
  And while there's some really cool things, I love, absolutely love the
• 1:07:19
  key Forge backpack that I have that sat charge is amazing. It has been
• 1:07:24
  with me now and I didn't get it at a vault. I actually had
• 1:07:27
  to purchase my secondhand. But I don't think that it's feasible to see the
• 1:07:33
  prize wall as we have seen it. And so I was trying to think,
• 1:07:38
  what else can we give to incentivize just your everyday player who's coming out
• 1:07:44
  your local who's like, hey, I attended my local VT, or it
• 1:07:47
  was a couple hour drive to get there. So here's my thoughts, and
• 1:07:51
  again pipe in with what's there but number one, and this is in no
• 1:07:56
  particular order, create a specialized acrylic amber for each major event or VT.
• 1:08:02
  What I'm thinking about here is that we had the yellow amber that was there
• 1:08:05
  you saw blue that was at another point, and you saw the pink.
• 1:08:10
  Those are handed out something of that sort that you simply stamp, and now
• 1:08:15
  you're gonna go ahead, and yet here's the Minnesota vult Tour, Philly Volteur,
• 1:08:19
  Dallas Vautour, whatever it is, Shanghai. You could receive one as
• 1:08:26
  your entry, and then you can go ahead and receive one for winning a
• 1:08:30
  game as you go through like that. And then and they used to put
• 1:08:35
  three on a table. You both got one, and then the winner got
• 1:08:40
  got the extra. Yeah, And so what I was looking at is basically
• 1:08:45
  at four o'clock. I didn't put it in the notes there, but I
• 1:08:47
  had at four o'clock on Sunday, it would then be open for anything left
• 1:08:54
  you could go ahead and purchase, because there are some people I want to
• 1:08:57
  be able to get to six, and I think it would be great to
• 1:08:59
  collect groups. But frankly, having one of those is a little token that
• 1:09:02
  I can bring out at my local and say, hey, I was here.
• 1:09:05
  It's small, it's not too cumbersome, but it is something that we
• 1:09:10
  could use. I thought that was pretty cool. Simply changing the location or
• 1:09:15
  the color is what I'm really looking at number two, Marcus, this is
• 1:09:19
  for you, man. I absolutely love the event patch, and while I
• 1:09:25
  was totally a pin person before, I think the event patch is absolutely amazing
• 1:09:29
  and that's what I want to see. I want to see an event patch
• 1:09:31
  and it's going to tie in with number three. That event patch is pretty
• 1:09:36
  like. You can change color that, Marcus Head. You can go ahead
• 1:09:40
  and have a symbol that is consistent, but you can change like the location.
• 1:09:45
  Yet number three is mats now, Wookie, after talking with you,
• 1:09:47
  I did lower this from twenty five, but I had print sixteen mats for
• 1:09:51
  the event or VT. The mats will be the same for the entire Vault
• 1:09:56
  Tour season. So we're going to pick some really cool graphic something that we
• 1:10:00
  really really want to see. And all that will change on those sixteen mats
• 1:10:05
  is it's going to say shaying Hi, it's going to say Italy, it's
• 1:10:10
  going to go ahead and say your specific vault to our location. I think
• 1:10:15
  sixteen is reasonable with our community right now that you're not going to go ahead
• 1:10:18
  and have a ton of those left over, and if they are there at
• 1:10:23
  the end of the year, you can throw them up at Worlds. But
• 1:10:26
  I thought that was a cool task, but most people will not purchase a
• 1:10:30
  mat, so as a reasult sixteen, I was saying, for the top
• 1:10:34
  sixteen, I know these mats are not allowed. You get one if you
• 1:10:40
  are the Roosevelt winner. You're at Roosevelt second place, Roosevelt Top four,
• 1:10:45
  Roosevelt Top eight, Roosevelt top sixteen. Yeah. And the reason that I
• 1:10:50
  and again this is my idea, so I'm going to throw it out to
• 1:10:53
  the reason I went with sixteen mats for the event is that there's I need
• 1:10:57
  something as a trinket for people who are not going to go ahead and walk
• 1:11:01
  away with another prize. I want them walking away with their event patch.
• 1:11:04
  I want them walking away with at least one amber, and I want them
• 1:11:09
  to be able to purchase a mat for a reasonable price that if they like,
• 1:11:14
  hey I did nothing else, let me go get a mat. I
• 1:11:16
  think that is what we offer. So anybody can walk out and say,
• 1:11:19
  hey, I went to this vault. Here it is, and because they're
• 1:11:23
  sixteen, maybe it pushes me to go buy it a little bit earlier versus
• 1:11:28
  the end of the week. Now, the second type of event matt,
• 1:11:31
  I think is for that type of player who wants to go to multiple vaults.
• 1:11:35
  We have a certain number of individuals who will cycle or be consistently part
• 1:11:41
  of the community. Awesome. I love that and frankly, that's what I
• 1:11:44
  want to build. So here, I had season long mats, and I
• 1:11:47
  didn't have a specific amount that I had. I just I don't know what
• 1:11:51
  the number would be. But my idea was that you have a keyboards graphic.
• 1:11:56
  It's actually a little bit more of playing mats, but it as blank
• 1:12:00
  spots that would mirror the patches that you're going to give out for each of
• 1:12:03
  the vault to her locations. And the goal would be that this would be
• 1:12:09
  a mat that as I go to the vault tour and collect the patch,
• 1:12:13
  I could put it onto the mat. It's almost like a Pokemon go collect
• 1:12:16
  them all. And so if I go to three vaults, I have the
• 1:12:19
  three vault on patches that are there. If I go to all of them,
• 1:12:24
  I have all of those. I think that would be absolutely amazing for
• 1:12:28
  those players who go out and are able to make or try to make multiple
• 1:12:33
  vaults. So that was my idea, And the last piece that's there before
• 1:12:39
  I sit down is I do not want to see the event shard cost.
• 1:12:45
  I think that this is detrimental two our new players. Wait, so why
• 1:12:53
  is that different than just the ash situation that you were talking about. Hey,
• 1:12:59
  you got to come paid twenty thirty dollars, it was basically the same
• 1:13:00
  thing. Yeah, let me say this. The event shard cost that is
• 1:13:04
  there is for the shard cost that's going to Gig. I don't know if
• 1:13:12
  that was clear enough, but we would pay seventy five dollars this year,
• 1:13:16
  and then we paid shards to Gigi. I I mean, all of us
• 1:13:20
  experienced players, we have a ton of shards. If I could give shards
• 1:13:25
  to a new player, that's who I want to come out to experience the
• 1:13:29
  joy and fun of these Vault tours. So when I see that we're putting
• 1:13:32
  a price point on it, it has raised the price for just those players.
• 1:13:38
  That's the that's the person I want to be there. I want to
• 1:13:42
  incentivize who frankly may not have as good a chance as others, or who
• 1:13:45
  may have a great chance, but we're just limiting it because they didn't start
• 1:13:49
  the game with us. So I think that that is something that Gigi could
• 1:13:55
  simply deal do away with I think there should be a price point for the
• 1:14:00
  whole weekend, or you can chunk up. I know Wookie year all about
• 1:14:04
  the price point for the weekend. I just don't want to have two separate
• 1:14:06
  parts because we would have one that went to GG and one that went to
• 1:14:10
  the event. So that was my last bit of information. I would say,
• 1:14:15
  if they're not going to get rid of the shark costs, please open
• 1:14:17
  it up so I can go ahead and donate shards to a local so that
• 1:14:21
  they can come out. We want new players in the vaults is a phenomenal
• 1:14:28
  experience. Let's get as many new people in as we can. I don't
• 1:14:32
  know if the shard is holding people back to be I mean, I don't
• 1:14:36
  think that's the big but it's an extra it's an extra cost, so let's
• 1:14:40
  look at it. Is I think so, But let's look at what I
• 1:14:45
  agree that the shard thing hasn't super worked, right. I think that maybe
• 1:14:51
  just having money, you know, dollars might be better. I'm not sure,
• 1:14:56
  but but I do think we should look at something else. There is
• 1:14:59
  something that they've done that I think has been very successful, and that is
• 1:15:04
  their ability to get me to buy like more additional decks than I probably otherwise
• 1:15:12
  would have because of the way they sort of like give you, hey,
• 1:15:15
  you get these tickets and then you can like buy another deck, or you
• 1:15:18
  get your badge clipped, you can buy some extra decks like sort of like
• 1:15:23
  doling it out over time like that. I think is is actually pretty effective
• 1:15:28
  and I think fun and I think most people are into it, and those
• 1:15:31
  folks that don't want to do it don't have to buy it. But I
• 1:15:34
  think they make a good amount of money from doing that sort of thing.
• 1:15:38
  It extra crispy and whatnot. Yeah, I do think it worked better at
• 1:15:43
  KFC one in two. I don't think it worked as well at the vaults.
• 1:15:46
  But I will say, if you're do you have a recipe they could
• 1:15:48
  follow? There, right, they do have a recipe they can follow,
• 1:15:51
  and I'm fine with that. I would put that. I would lean into
• 1:15:55
  it a little bit more and have like almost a scavenger hunt ask type thing.
• 1:16:00
  If you accomplish this task, like a leaderboard just for the vault.
• 1:16:03
  If I could go ahead and accomplish this task, maybe it gives me an
• 1:16:08
  extra tickets that's out there, because right now it just wasn't as engaging at
• 1:16:14
  the Vault because people were focused on the events that they were participating in and
• 1:16:16
  there wasn't a lot of downtime. So I see what you're saying. I'm
• 1:16:20
  just saying I think it worked better at KFC than it did at the Vault.
• 1:16:24
  So actually, you just reminded me remember at Philly when they didn't have
• 1:16:28
  their palettes and they just sort of printed off those sheets of paper with the
• 1:16:30
  various houses and they were like, go play against these houses and do some
• 1:16:34
  bingo basically, and I was like okay, But then like we started doing
• 1:16:39
  it, I was like, oh, this is kind of fun. Like
• 1:16:41
  I gotta find somebody who's got such and such in their sealed deck, and
• 1:16:45
  I got to walk around and find somebody so they could write their name down.
• 1:16:48
  Like that was actually pretty cool. And if you could link that to
• 1:16:53
  like, uh be buying more sealed decks or something, I don't know,
• 1:17:00
  like that, maybe that could work, like do different variations on that like
• 1:17:03
  that. I think there's fun stuff you can do there. So one of
• 1:17:06
  the other beer podcasts that I listened to actually will do their horror stories for
• 1:17:11
  the year and they will create a bingo board and they just give out like
• 1:17:15
  you you create your own bingo board, they give you the topics, you
• 1:17:17
  place them where you are, and I could see that for key forge going
• 1:17:20
  ahead and you know, staying all in one house or going ahead and forging
• 1:17:27
  with a key sheet, and you choose which of them you're going to put
• 1:17:30
  on your bingo board and where, and then as soon as you get like
• 1:17:33
  they can call out, hey, show me if you have the letter X
• 1:17:38
  on your bingo board, and you could come up for this prize, but
• 1:17:41
  do it randomly at different times. That might be another incentive for people to
• 1:17:45
  be trying and participating in that more, because again we need to have more
• 1:17:49
  casual events or things for people to look forward to. On the casual side,
• 1:17:55
  it's not just for all the top top players who are honestly in the
• 1:17:59
  past have been and getting the money. Oh hold on local card. Just
• 1:18:05
  spreadsheet defied. He just created a whole schedule. Look at this. This
• 1:18:09
  is like super advanced. Okay, just spreadsheet he spread but like you know
• 1:18:15
  is colors there are official well and it was interesting because what he had here
• 1:18:23
  was on that Friday, you know you have alliance side event sealed pods Archam
• 1:18:28
  pods. I appreciate this. What I really want to be more clear because
• 1:18:31
  people can't see it. What he has here is our con or excuse me,
• 1:18:34
  I'm saying the wrong words. Alliance as the main event from one one
• 1:18:43
  until Friday dinner at seven, right, and while there's sealed side events going
• 1:18:48
  on which is very similar, Yeah, on Friday, which is all very
• 1:18:53
  similar to what I had. What I actually liked and what stood out to
• 1:18:56
  me is instead of running a fun keyboards event, he had eight to ten
• 1:19:00
  or trivia and the Scavenger hunts, and then he had eleven to twelve Drasscore
• 1:19:02
  experience. We can't forget that. So see, Yeah, there's also a
• 1:19:06
  mistake here, right, because like when you do this, when you have
• 1:19:10
  dinner break starting at seven and then you have us comeback for Keyforde Trivia and
• 1:19:15
  scavenger on at eight, that really means the Drascore experience starts at seven and
• 1:19:18
  just keeps going. Yep, But maybe it's okay, it is there,
• 1:19:23
  but it would still gives people something to do. It would be a different
• 1:19:27
  way to look at Keyforde. And again it's not for everyone, but it's
• 1:19:30
  going to be an opportunity. So I don't know. I like this thought
• 1:19:34
  process. Maybe we can save this graphic and throw it up if or or
• 1:19:39
  Lokar, if you're interested. I put it up on discord. But it's
• 1:19:43
  good to see people thinking about different ways that we could go ahead and structure
• 1:19:48
  the event. It wasn't a Martini bar. It was a Japanese whiskey bar
• 1:19:54
  and the yep and they definitely closed by this time. He was not cute
• 1:19:59
  enough to to get them to stay stay open. This is true. I
• 1:20:02
  was not. You know, the other challenge you have your look at cars,
• 1:20:05
  you have a starting at seven am, like seven, No, I
• 1:20:12
  don't want to work on Saturday. I will say the time and how it
• 1:20:19
  is structured, because if you're starting at seven, that means your judges are
• 1:20:23
  typically in six thirty six o'clock, and so that does become an issue that
• 1:20:29
  we're you know, we have to be kind of aware of. I was
• 1:20:30
  really trying to deal with how to support players so there's not straight burnout and
• 1:20:35
  staff and then so that you're not getting into and I'll call it the X
• 1:20:40
  Rays scenario. But he qualifies for both for two events that run on Sunday
• 1:20:45
  at the same time and you have to decide in which one you're gonna go
• 1:20:46
  to. That's the last thing I want. Nah, that's fine. I
• 1:20:51
  know that you see. It's fine, But I'm gonna tell it. I'm
• 1:20:54
  gonna tell you. If a player can accomplish that, it's a huge feat
• 1:20:58
  and we want to celebrate. And so that is why my spe you give
• 1:21:00
  them I don't know, maybe you do give them bumped somebody out of that
• 1:21:04
  top cut because they've made two events and now what you just go grab somebody
• 1:21:10
  else, be like, hey, this person has shows this event, so
• 1:21:13
  now you're in So my my, What did you guys think about the season
• 1:21:18
  matts where you have the key forge like Matt to basically hang on your wall
• 1:21:23
  of here's the the event patches that go on it. Is that of any
• 1:21:28
  interest to you or is that just me? I think you're going to run
• 1:21:31
  the I think you're going to run an issue of like, if I am
• 1:21:34
  able to go to all of them, then fine. If I am not,
• 1:21:39
  I am considerably, Like my interest level dives correct one hundred percent.
• 1:21:44
  But I'm saying for those people who are there printing just a few of these,
• 1:21:46
  I don't I don't think we need to be printing one hundred. I
• 1:21:48
  don't think we need to be printing fifty. I think if you bring a
• 1:21:53
  handful five to ten to a vault that's easy enough to be able to pack
• 1:21:58
  into transit back and forth, and it would be something again limited limited quantities
• 1:22:05
  for both the decks and like the specialty items really increases value to me.
• 1:22:12
  I want to have as much sealed product for the local set that's there that
• 1:22:15
  I want, but I want to limit these mats and the trinkets that are
• 1:22:23
  basically going. So that's mer go ahead, now you go, all right.
• 1:22:30
  I was gonna say, look are some other interesting things in here which
• 1:22:33
  I'm curious. How you guess are they getting paid? What he says,
• 1:22:39
  Keyforde cosplay event, KEYFDGE fan aren't voting, and then challenge the ghost Do
• 1:22:45
  you guys think these will be draws for folks? I think that playing the
• 1:22:49
  ghosts would be. I think that the cosplay is more of like many of
• 1:22:57
  the cons that I would go to. I don't necessarily, I mean it
• 1:23:00
  follows a con schedule which I could see. I it's not necessarily for me,
• 1:23:05
  but maybe there's an untapped grouping. No no, no, no,
• 1:23:13
  but it's it's fun too. If you have an event, maybe we'd see
• 1:23:15
  more. Uh maybe. My My biggest thing is I think the biggest thing
• 1:23:24
  we're missing here, how do we get people back into vaults? It literally
• 1:23:28
  I for me, and when I think about it, it literally boils down
• 1:23:31
  to one thing. Sealed strippers. Well, strippers aren't hurting anything, but
• 1:23:39
  it is it is apologize for. We don't apologize ever. Uh, it's
• 1:23:45
  sealed straight up. The most attended vault tours period, end of story.
• 1:23:51
  You can go back into the records, go onto our kan Arkana, which
• 1:23:56
  they love so much because g does a bunch of free work for them.
• 1:24:00
  Go look at it. It's all the sealed vault tours have the highest attendants.
• 1:24:09
  So if you're going to tell me that you're looking to because you're not
• 1:24:13
  making enough money on the vaults to continue doing vaults, and that tells me
• 1:24:17
  that there's a reason that people aren't attending, and I will tell you just
• 1:24:20
  go look at the most attended vaults and you have killed that line of revenue
• 1:24:26
  for yourself. Yes, because you have decided it is not a thing you
• 1:24:30
  want to pursue. Sealed just it. It hits different period out of story,
• 1:24:36
  no matter if you have started yesterday or if you've been playing for four
• 1:24:41
  years. Going to a sealed vault tour, Yeah, sometimes you get the
• 1:24:45
  feels bad because you open three brob Nar Worlds Collides decks. But like most
• 1:24:49
  people understand that is that that's sealed, we get it. Sometimes you're going
• 1:24:55
  to open the banger, sometimes you're going to open the Poopda. But nevertheless,
• 1:25:00
  it is that pull. It is that legalized gambling, that pull of
• 1:25:05
  a handle that allows people to go, I, no matter where I am
• 1:25:11
  in my key forge, if I have an art conduck, if I have
• 1:25:14
  an Alliance deck, whether I have those or not is e relevant because everybody
• 1:25:19
  from from the Z's and the sheeps and the e Walks of the world down
• 1:25:24
  to the me and the draz Cors and the and the uh Southerlies, we
• 1:25:30
  all have, whether it's true or not, have in our minds the same
• 1:25:36
  odds of doing well. See, and that is what I see in the
• 1:25:42
  community as people look at it and go, well, I don't have a
• 1:25:44
  competitive art conduck. I most don't. Nine percent of people don't have a
• 1:25:48
  competitive art conduck. Ninety nine point ninety percent of people don't have a competitive
• 1:25:55
  don't within their stuff, don't have a way to make a good alliance deck.
• 1:26:00
  Most people don't. Most people don't have the patience or the time to
• 1:26:06
  acquire either. And most and I'm just I'm gonna poke at this, ninety
• 1:26:14
  nine point nine percent of the competitive decks already reside in a team affiliated space.
• 1:26:23
  They already resided whether that is ABR, whether that is SaaS, or
• 1:26:28
  whether that is reap out. That's a whole that's a whole other subject,
• 1:26:34
  and I'm not gonna get deep into it, but that is the truth of
• 1:26:39
  the matter. You can sit here and try to fight me on it,
• 1:26:42
  but let's go look at where these people and where they're where they're where there.
• 1:26:46
  I guess allegiances lie. I guess that's like way too serious of a
• 1:26:53
  note, but like it just the fact of the matter is all the good
• 1:26:57
  decks get scooped up quite quickly by these teams, and me and all the
• 1:27:04
  other ones were left cracking and praying. But you're in a very very I
• 1:27:12
  disagree about that. I will say this. You can disagree all you want,
• 1:27:15
  but I hate to tell you for the person that is on an tea
• 1:27:17
  outside of a team looking in. My perception is my reality, and that
• 1:27:23
  is my perception. I had a little different perception because I was a no
• 1:27:30
  no. But you have to listen to this, Wookie. When you're talking
• 1:27:32
  about scooping up decks, you're not talking about people who are investing money to
• 1:27:39
  be able to identify cards and synergies and they've put a lot of time into
• 1:27:45
  it. There are a lot more decks that are out there that are very
• 1:27:48
  viable, but people have not put in the amount of playtime that you're seeing
• 1:27:54
  from some of these teams, and that you are living in Christmas Land,
• 1:27:58
  you live right? But because because why Because I am one person going up
• 1:28:02
  against a group of twelve or more at twelve or more, Because it's not
• 1:28:09
  ewok. It's not just you a testing it. It's Dan testing it,
• 1:28:12
  it's Z testing it, it's Nova testing it. It is a group of
• 1:28:15
  people testing it and finding out what is viable or not. I don't have
• 1:28:19
  the same time as twelve other people. I don't think you know what's happening.
• 1:28:25
  So I'll just say and again, more and again, you're more than
• 1:28:30
  likely right. But again, I am a player outside of a team looking
• 1:28:35
  in that is my perception, So that is my reality. You're never going
• 1:28:40
  to be able to stop teams from forming period, end of story. It's
• 1:28:43
  not going to happen. But when a player gets in and a player goes
• 1:28:46
  to a vault tour, yes, I like the jerseys. Yes, I
• 1:28:49
  like the thing. It is fun. I think it gives new players something
• 1:28:54
  to kind of like. I don't know. And again, a word that
• 1:28:56
  I'm going to use that is far too serious for the situation. It's in
• 1:29:00
  strive for right. But the fact of the matter is, once you get
• 1:29:05
  into this game, and once you're deep enough and you start to realize these
• 1:29:10
  things, you realize that that the cards literally are stacked against you, literally,
• 1:29:17
  and once you have that perception that it is stacked against you, and
• 1:29:20
  that your chances are very very slim in the Arkon and Alliance range, you're
• 1:29:27
  just going to leave. Can I provide there's plenty of people, plenty of
• 1:29:31
  people, But I assume we're talking about like we're circling back to Sealed with
• 1:29:35
  all this commentary, right, Yes, you got it? Yes, Yes,
• 1:29:41
  So I want to say two things. I think Worlds this year showed
• 1:29:45
  between Issawa and Miggey both being in the last Chance qualifier and both making top
• 1:29:53
  four. That there are decks and players that did not qualify that are very
• 1:30:00
  very very competitive and people can do that. I will say, I think
• 1:30:03
  that over Okay, so you'll hold on, let me let me go into
• 1:30:08
  that. Because both of those members are a part of the what whatever what
• 1:30:12
  that m whatever logo he has. They're from Kansas City. From Kansas City,
• 1:30:19
  they're a local playgroup, a team. So so this is where you're
• 1:30:26
  using the team very broadly. I will tell you that there are a lot
• 1:30:30
  technically Wookie, we have, but players and new people from the ground up.
• 1:30:36
  If I am just Wookie and I show up to my first ball tour,
• 1:30:40
  I see all these teams, right, and about six months in,
• 1:30:43
  I'm gonna go, I can't compete. It's it's I can't. I can't
• 1:30:47
  compete with the Sasses and the reapouts into this of the world. I'm I'm
• 1:30:51
  just going to leave. I'm just going to leave the community. No,
• 1:30:56
  but they they don't all leave the community. They don't. The people that
• 1:31:00
  are still here are still here. But and they're here because they like the
• 1:31:03
  game and they like playing the game. But for a new you're talking about
• 1:31:06
  a new person, a person that's literally just cracked. Some whoa that's all
• 1:31:10
  they got and they're bringing their best deck, what they feel like is their
• 1:31:13
  best deck to their first Vault Tour. But there's a lot again why you're
• 1:31:17
  missing the whole play experience. There's a lot of people who have wrapped so
• 1:31:21
  many decks that it's not going to be comparable. You can have an overpowered
• 1:31:27
  deck that's run by someone who is not as experienced with it and it's not
• 1:31:31
  going to perform. We've seen that even within the own team Wookie, people
• 1:31:35
  have run the same deck and they didn't have the same results based on who
• 1:31:39
  they played and based on just who they are as a player and how they
• 1:31:43
  run that deck. I will tell you absolutely, I will agree with you
• 1:31:47
  that we have seen that. But again, the ground level player number one,
• 1:31:53
  day one does not No. But is it realistic that someone who literally
• 1:31:59
  learned Keith Forge a day before is going to be making top table? No,
• 1:32:03
  that's not real Is that going to happen in any game? No?
• 1:32:06
  But even six months down the line, right, I have put in the
• 1:32:12
  time, I have put in the work, I have put in the effort.
• 1:32:14
  At the end of the day. I hate to tell you, and
• 1:32:16
  this is one of the things I've been around for a long time, and
• 1:32:19
  I hate to tell you. One of the things that you realize is that
• 1:32:21
  the deck is stacked against you. And when you don't have and when you
• 1:32:26
  don't have an art CONDAC and I don't have an Alliance deck, why am
• 1:32:29
  I going would Why am I going to leave my family on one of my
• 1:32:32
  children's birthdays to go play an event where I'm going to get my face smashed
• 1:32:38
  in? Or do I want to go to it? Or do I want
• 1:32:41
  to okay? But or do I want to go into event where I feel
• 1:32:45
  like the level the playing field has been leveled. But I think that you're
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  missing there are players who are out there. One of the top eight that
• 1:32:55
  was there, I want to say it was for Dallas. Was someone that
• 1:32:59
  was not on a single team. Well, you can continue pointing out the
• 1:33:02
  oddities, but it's there's eight. It's one out of eight there like when
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  you're talking one on a one event. But Ryan, what you're missing is
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  that they're look at the odds for any other game. The ability to come
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  in with just a couple of months. I don't see anyone who's going ahead
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  and making top table. So for Keyfge to have even one, that's a
• 1:33:27
  huge deal. For people to be able to be on they aren't part of
• 1:33:30
  a team at all, but still being able to make top eight, that's
• 1:33:35
  a big deal for key Forge. And I don't want people who are new
• 1:33:39
  to get a scared away. And I know our podcast is more focused on
• 1:33:43
  our competitive players, people who have been around, but I'm telling you you
• 1:33:47
  have decks that are competitive. You can't undersell that. And yes, is
• 1:33:54
  there a higher probability that someone who is part of a team and who practices
• 1:34:00
  hours and hours and hours to represent a deck. I mean June going ahead
• 1:34:05
  and playing one thousand reps. That's huge. That is absolutely huge. It
• 1:34:13
  is both the deck and the player, and in combination you have to have
• 1:34:18
  then a good set of matches that are in your favor. All three of
• 1:34:24
  those are aspects that go into it. And I will tell you to make
• 1:34:27
  top eight. I am very impressed that that happen here. I know that
• 1:34:31
  you don't see it, but I want to be that positive voice because there
• 1:34:36
  are people who are doing it and we can't just say, well, it's
• 1:34:39
  never gonna happen because if we have that overall perception, while the odds are
• 1:34:43
  low, it can happen here versus other games. We're turning people off from
• 1:34:48
  vaults, right, we got to do but it's just get more people in
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  the experience. This is why I'm believing Field is such a huge important to
• 1:35:01
  Vault. To her, it's so important that this was my point because that
• 1:35:06
  again, for the people that are out there, perception is reality. You
• 1:35:13
  can't stop it. You can put the positive spin on it, you can
• 1:35:15
  put the nice voice on it. We can, we can go into you
• 1:35:18
  just gotta try harder. The fact of the matter is most people aren't going
• 1:35:23
  to see it that way, and they're just going to leave because we have
• 1:35:30
  an amazing community. We have an amazing community, but most people aren't going
• 1:35:32
  to see that amazing community. See. I think that. I think that's
• 1:35:38
  an important part of Vault. We all we all agree and that's why it
• 1:35:43
  was put on my schedule. So I mean, let's let's go back.
• 1:35:45
  Is there any final comments about what I listed for my ideal? Vault co
• 1:35:51
  sealed is part of that. We're all in agreement, and but like I
• 1:35:56
  just I think there's a lot going on here for me at least anyways,
• 1:36:01
  because I can tell you, like, oh, Alliance, I won't be
• 1:36:04
  around for that. I just won't. I think a lot of people are
• 1:36:11
  going to see it the same way. But like then again, there's what
• 1:36:14
  like twenty Alliance people that actually play Alliance. So so are we talking about
• 1:36:18
  my event for my ideal ball You're talking Friday or Saturday? Because I'm looking
• 1:36:24
  at thank you. I'm sorry, I looked at Loca car sheet. Yeah,
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  but that's what I mean. That's a whole other topic. I'm just
• 1:36:29
  saying for me, what else do you have as thoughts? Because that was
• 1:36:32
  today's focus. No, I think everything's fine. I do think. I
• 1:36:36
  mean again, you and I talked about it at length about the payouts.
• 1:36:40
  As far as cash, I just think I think you can do away with
• 1:36:44
  it and do other things that are more cost effective for you, and we
• 1:36:46
  can revisit cash when key Forage becomes the thing again. I don't think it's
• 1:36:53
  going to have a major impact, but I do think it is going to
• 1:36:56
  have people who will not come out, and that or if they come out,
• 1:37:02
  someone who may have come to all the vaults may simply go to one.
• 1:37:05
  I mean, that's the reality of what I'm hearing, and so that's
• 1:37:10
  why I positioned it. I think that with the price point that we're looking
• 1:37:15
  at, that you can go ahead and run a lower payouts but still have
• 1:37:19
  cash that's available because cash people like cash. Man people do like cash,
• 1:37:25
  but like it just doesn't need to be five And I don't think cash was
• 1:37:30
  pushing people to go in. I believe. I agree with Kella. Your
• 1:37:38
  name drives me not it's no offense. It's just too much Kellum Viler.
• 1:37:43
  I'm just saying that completely wrong. Alliance is bleeding cash like there's no way
• 1:37:50
  Alliance broke even I agree with you because because we had ten thousand dollars that's
• 1:37:58
  going out for each of the events. But I think again, pushing it
• 1:38:01
  into one we bring the community back together. I do think that if you
• 1:38:05
  have Arkon or Alliance and you have to choose, like it's only Alliance,
• 1:38:11
  the numbers may be less, but guess what people will play because it's key
• 1:38:15
  Forge versus going ahead and not playing. I think a lot. If you
• 1:38:18
  want to do an Alliance this year because they thought they had a better shot,
• 1:38:23
  I'm going to tell you that if Alliance was there and it wasn't Arkon.
• 1:38:27
  Like if because in my event, I had your on Friday, you're
• 1:38:30
  either doing ARCon or you're doing Alliance, so you would rotate between events.
• 1:38:34
  And that is a little bit of an issue because maybe your local Vault tour
• 1:38:40
  has the event that you didn't want. But if it's Alliance, I'm playing.
• 1:38:44
  If it's Arkon, I'm playing. If it is a combination, I
• 1:38:48
  get a choice. I'm gonna choose Arkon. But I'm being split and I
• 1:38:53
  don't want to see a split. I want to have all eighty players,
• 1:38:57
  all hundred players being in one event. That's what I want. When we
• 1:39:02
  get to five hundred, fine, then we can go out and split to
• 1:39:05
  two events. But we're just not there. No, I agree that everything
• 1:39:11
  needs to be brought back to one funnel, like splitting the field. Splitting
• 1:39:15
  people is not is not the way to do this, but at least not
• 1:39:20
  so we have more folks. Even when we have more folks, like I
• 1:39:25
  just I mean, if you want to do them as pods or something else,
• 1:39:29
  fine, but I think one large field is the way to do it.
• 1:39:32
  Like it's kind of how everyone else does it. There's no there's no
• 1:39:36
  real other like no other places doing like, well, if you want to
• 1:39:41
  go play modern, that's the standards over here. It just doesn't work that
• 1:39:45
  way. Bring the whole group together back together in the way that it's meant
• 1:39:50
  to be. But otherwise that I don't see anything crazy or really wrong.
• 1:39:57
  I just I would I would do it different. And I think one hundred
• 1:40:01
  percent like Unchain in Menagerie, like if you're going to sell these things,
• 1:40:05
  like there needs to be something for them. Like I don't see why you
• 1:40:11
  couldn't do a sealed see Okay, Vault Tour Chicago Sealed Menagerie, and it
• 1:40:20
  becomes something where you're like, oh, I gotta play my menagerie. Now
• 1:40:23
  I gotta I gotta brush up a menagerie. Oh I gotta do this,
• 1:40:26
  I gotta do that that that I see. And I think the return of
• 1:40:30
  team events is kind of big too, because even I know some people are
• 1:40:34
  gonna freak out because it's like, well, I don't have a team.
• 1:40:36
  I don't have this, I don't have players I can play with. Never
• 1:40:40
  once in any of the team there was quite a few of them in the
• 1:40:43
  team events that happened. Did anybody go without a team like you've a team.
• 1:40:48
  Saw team was found for you. You know, hey, you know,
• 1:40:51
  oh they got too they need one more. You can go play with
• 1:40:55
  them over there. You know it was always and it's always a good time.
• 1:41:02
  Miss. So you would just have to figure out three formats. Well
• 1:41:06
  you do one one sealed, one arcan one menagerie. I will say if
• 1:41:15
  there are no other thoughts. I know we've been talking a lot. Again,
• 1:41:17
  we could probably end here. I appreciate both of you staying on talking
• 1:41:20
  me through this. I'm gonna give Sheep a huge shout out. I know
• 1:41:25
  he posted in our ac live show so everyone who is here tonight could see.
• 1:41:30
  But he said I'm going to bow out, so he was here.
• 1:41:32
  I'm not unhappy with the situation of anything other than awfulness to add to this
• 1:41:36
  discussion. So sheet Man, we love you dearly. I know that things
• 1:41:41
  are rough right now, and for anyone struggling like we are an amazing team
• 1:41:45
  and that's the community as a whole. Please reach out, discord. I
• 1:41:49
  know you man, I'll reach out, but everything will be okay. We
• 1:41:55
  just we need to see some evidence. You know what the plan is,
• 1:41:59
  and I do believe GG will go ahead. And give us a plan.
• 1:42:02
  I'm just hoping for it a little bit sooner than later. So but that's
• 1:42:06
  why Sheep. You know, he gets a lot of criticism for kind of
• 1:42:12
  be an oscar the garage, but he honestly is a huge hearts He would
• 1:42:15
  give you the shirt off his back. He's a really good guy. Well,
• 1:42:18
  and he does bring a lot of he brings a lot of down to
• 1:42:25
  earthness here of what's what's going to work, what may and may not work.
• 1:42:30
  So I know he's down right now, and I hope and again I
• 1:42:36
  hope Gg brings out something that says, Yep, this is it and it
• 1:42:41
  brings him back. But this is the point, and this is kind of
• 1:42:45
  the struggle of This is how you lose players. And it's a tough period
• 1:42:50
  right now. We all just went through a very long pandemic. Then to
• 1:42:56
  be told we got to wait for it to six weeks because I mean,
• 1:42:59
  in the reality of it, for the people that have been around and have
• 1:43:01
  been following everything, we gotta wait four to six weeks kind of means to
• 1:43:05
  me and everyone else, we don't have a plan. We we don't know
• 1:43:11
  what we're doing, we don't know where we're going and we don't know where
• 1:43:13
  we're headed from here, and that stinks. It's not fun, but we
• 1:43:18
  can see that. Yeah, don't jump, don't um, don't jump to
• 1:43:21
  conclusions. But we have a lot of track record to go on. Sadly,
• 1:43:27
  yes, but I'm saying we're gonna think positive. All will be good
• 1:43:30
  and we're gonna hear some information soon. So with that being said, we'll
• 1:43:34
  see y'all next week. Happy forge and everyone, may the Forge be with
• 1:43:41
  you. We went another two hours. I thought we were done, like
• 1:43:46
  a yeah, well, and that's why I tried to That's why I was
• 1:43:50
  trying to, like, ah, I get off, but I know would
• 1:43:54
  be something you gotta get on my soapboxed. Sometimes I got like, we're
• 1:44:00
  now Sami Damiami being trout and name him Passy because he's on scream Ready.
• 1:44:18
  I think I'm gonna pull a tail. So that's a herd. When out
• 1:44:24
  planning to thank you as will up and one Tower of Power be