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Chasing Wonder | Ginger Stache Enneagram 7w8 · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: That's true.
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SPEAKER_01: I am I am grateful for that.
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SPEAKER_01: And and I think the thing that amazes me the most is that not everybody wants to live that life in the same way.
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SPEAKER_01: We all have different things that we would be more bent toward or lean toward, but nobody wants to live a life of boredom.
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SPEAKER_01: Even if we want security, even if we want stability, we still want meaning and we want.
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SPEAKER_01: So I think there is adventure is different for everybody, but I think there is adventure for everybody.
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SPEAKER_02: Hi, my name is Amy Wicks, and I help you navigate the overwhelm and frustration of motherhood through faith, Enneagram, and simple plans.
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SPEAKER_02: As a faith-based Enneagram coach, I champion you to love your mothering style because you are the mom your kids need, even when you don't feel like it.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm a mountain mama who somehow ended up on a cul-de-sac in the Midwest, overwhelmed and frustrated by motherhood.
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SPEAKER_02: But the Lord didn't let me stay there.
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SPEAKER_02: He helped me turn the challenges of motherhood into a wholehearted decision to get intentional with my faith, my self-awareness, and my family.
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SPEAKER_02: Each episode of this podcast provides perspective through story, wholehearted purpose, and simple plan so you can discover how to love your mothering style and be confident that you are the mom your kids need.
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SPEAKER_02: Think of this podcast as your on-the-go mom pal and friend who can't help but talk about Jesus and the Enneagram.
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SPEAKER_02: So get to that pile of laundry, or hit the treadmill, or load up the kids in the car for that grocery run.
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SPEAKER_02: Get ready to be encouraged and empowered while you listen.
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SPEAKER_02: This is the Simply Wholehearted Podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: Do you have an adventure mentality?
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SPEAKER_02: Or are you allergic to adventure?
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SPEAKER_02: The reality is whether you crave adventure or you are adventure adverse, chasing wonder requires a measure of discomfort.
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SPEAKER_02: In fact, if you're honest with yourself, you may have been given an opportunity to chase wonder or adventure, but you may have talked yourself out of it by feeling like it wasn't the right time, it was too messy, or you just weren't prepared.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, friend, you wouldn't be the first, and you certainly aren't the only one.
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SPEAKER_02: And I promise this episode is not gonna make you feel bad for missing it, because my guest, Ginger Stash, and I are talking about how the Lord, in his kindness, is so good to give us a second chance, even when we miss the first.
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SPEAKER_02: So no need to FOMO.
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SPEAKER_02: Dive in with me to learn from the amazing Ginger Stash, who has had many adventures as the C CO of Joyce Meyer Ministries, working in TV for over 35 years, and as a mom and grandmother.
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SPEAKER_02: Ginger's joy is contagious, and I know you'll walk away with more than just a few inspirational quotes to add to your collection.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, one of the fun things, Ginger, that I just told my friends a little bit about you and your life, but one of the fun things that when I um read your bio was this whole thing of working alongside Joyce Meyer, which I have to say, she, I'm sure like you would testify, has been a huge part of my adult maturing life in the Word and in my relationship with the Lord.
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SPEAKER_02: I'll tell you what, she saved me early on.
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SPEAKER_02: I had I ended up having three kids, three and under.
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SPEAKER_02: We moved to a state that I had no family, zero community, didn't know anybody.
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SPEAKER_02: But I had Joyce Meyer on the cable TV.
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SPEAKER_02: Love that.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, and I had some of her CDs and books.
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SPEAKER_02: She was a grounding rhythm in my day, and um was just great because you know, young moms uh trying to beat the kids to have their devotion time before they get up and have all of that.
4:07
SPEAKER_02: It was just Joyce Meyer on the go, praise the Lord.
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SPEAKER_01: We we love hearing that, and and you're so right.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, I also raise my kids away from family, and you need some stability, you know, you need some consistency, almost like a mentor come into your house to the free every day.
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SPEAKER_02: 100% amazing, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, your book gives us a little bit more about the amazing life you have led thus far, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Um, still have many, many years to come.
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SPEAKER_02: But what's a little bit of what you've done that has led you to all these adventures?
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SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, it's hard to describe because and I think this is true in all of our lives.
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SPEAKER_01: It's just been this ride, kind of like like whitewater rafting that God takes you on.
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SPEAKER_01: That um for a while the waters are really calm and you're thinking, am I gonna go anywhere?
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SPEAKER_01: Am I gonna do anything?
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SPEAKER_01: And then you hit a rapid and you're flailing around and you're thinking you slow it down.
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SPEAKER_01: This is crazy.
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SPEAKER_01: So I think it's a lot like that.
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SPEAKER_01: But um, I've wanted to be a part of television for a long, long time, and that's kind of what started my rafting trip, I guess you could say.
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SPEAKER_01: And so studied journalism and broadcasting and started doing local talk show and did that for many, many years, for 18 years, in fact, and then grew along during that time into doing documentaries and just I love telling stories and I love interviewing people and sharing the heart of what God is doing in so many people's lives is the most amazing thing.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I think that really has been what has led me to so many different countries around the world, so many opportunities to just meet people, go new places, share Christ in so many exciting ways.
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SPEAKER_01: And I've always had a passion, I guess you would say, for adventure and to go where God wants me to and probably stretch a little bit too far and go through those doors of opportunity.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's led me through all kinds of opportunities in brought not only broadcasting, but of course everything online and print and books, and eventually now for 18 years working with Joyce Meyer Ministries and our outreach arm hand of hope, which is just a huge blessing to me, and having two daughters and now their families and two grandchildren and a husband of 36 years now.
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SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's so great.
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SPEAKER_01: A lot's been going on.
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SPEAKER_02: I would say I love this.
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SPEAKER_02: I love just watching the joy and you light up and talking about all the different things and all the adventures, and it's so fun.
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SPEAKER_02: You obviously were able to convey a lot of that and utilize those experiences.
7:02
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I really think we're kindred spirits here because that's exactly why I love podcasting.
7:06
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna talk about your book that has come out this year, but I also wanted to talk about Enneagram because that's what we do here.
7:14
SPEAKER_02: I didn't get into the podcasting world because I was an Enneagram coach, but those who have stuck around for four and a half years, they've heard my journey.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they they've watched it evolve and and come about and all that kind of fun stuff.
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SPEAKER_02: So for you, when we talked about this ahead of time, Enneagram, you're kind of like Enneag what?
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SPEAKER_02: So tell me, what little do you know about the Enneagram?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, actually, I'm somewhat familiar, been um familiar with different personality tests for quite a while.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And then of course, you know, you just hear people talking Enneagram.
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SPEAKER_01: And so, of course, I I wanted to be in the know.
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SPEAKER_01: And of course, my FOMO keeps me from being left out of anything.
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SPEAKER_01: So I jumped in there.
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And then with also being familiar with Annie F.
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SPEAKER_01: Downs and listening to what she's got going on.
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SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I know enough about it to be dangerous.
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SPEAKER_01: And so yes.
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SPEAKER_01: I do it.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it's fascinating.
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SPEAKER_01: And I've always benefited from understanding more, I think is the right way to say it about who God created us to be, not to be put in a box by it, yes, but to see the possibilities in it.
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SPEAKER_02: I and then learn how to handle other people as well.
8:33
SPEAKER_02: Oh, exactly, exactly.
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SPEAKER_02: It helps us free us from the box and really and learn to celebrate the differences and not just tolerate whether they're our family members, our teammates, our coworkers, all of that piece.
8:48
SPEAKER_02: Since you've done a little bit of exploration, I have my guesses after reading your stuff and getting to talk to you.
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SPEAKER_02: But where do you think that you fall as in the Enneagram as far as what type?
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SPEAKER_02: Do I want to hear your guesses first before?
9:02
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
9:03
SPEAKER_02: That's usually what you're not supposed to do.
9:05
SPEAKER_02: As a coach, I'm always saying don't type people.
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SPEAKER_02: But admittedly, when I speak to groups of people like in a room, and this is usually what we're talking about, uh, just last week, in fact, and I, you know, I had all these women like, okay, can you tell me what type I am?
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SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I need at least 15 minutes with you to help you figure it out.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't like you don't walk around with a number over your head and suddenly I can tell this is not fortune telling or astrology or anything weird.
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SPEAKER_01: Or like one of the things on Instagram, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Where you push the button and it spins over your head and then it pops up your what number you are in the Enneagram.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you what I see in all of this.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's very interesting, and I'm sure this is true with some people who are listening, but I've taken different types of tests, read through different types of literature.
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SPEAKER_01: And depending on what day I take it, I'm either an eight with a seven wing or a seven with an eight wing.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm kind of a seven and a half or an eight minus point five.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure.
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SPEAKER_02: I love it.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, it totally makes sense to me.
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SPEAKER_02: The way I approach it, and I am trained and certified under your NAGAM coach, Beth McCord, whom we all love.
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SPEAKER_02: And I really have come, especially after working with a lot of women in particular, but we really are born with a dominant type.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's the lens that we experience and perceive in life.
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SPEAKER_02: It's it's how we perceive our parents' interaction with us, it's how we cut walk away with this unique childhood message, for good or for bad, all of those different pieces.
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SPEAKER_02: And so I also believe kind of like you said, when we talk about wings, which is so great, you didn't say seven wing two.
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SPEAKER_02: So good job, you know what you're talking about.
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SPEAKER_02: I get that a lot.
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SPEAKER_02: But I think we do tend to use our wings a little bit more based on our environment.
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SPEAKER_02: I've done a whole actually podcast episode on that very thing, and it helps us stay balanced.
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SPEAKER_02: But for you, when you look at those two, the message your heart longs to hear is it to be safe and to not be betrayed, or is it to be unlimited or free and to not be bored or limited?
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SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's so good.
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SPEAKER_01: Um I'm definitely not guided by fear or safety.
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SPEAKER_01: So I would say not to be limited, but there there is a definite trait in me, this leadership trait, I guess, which I know you can be a leader in in any of these areas.
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SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_01: But this desire to have a great time to get the most out of life and to tell other people how to do it.
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SPEAKER_02: I love it.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, I totally.
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SPEAKER_02: So here's the deal, Ginger.
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SPEAKER_02: I am a seven-wing eight.
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SPEAKER_02: So as I was reading your book, I'm like, I have written those very words, you know, like I have said those very phrases.
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SPEAKER_02: But I think that's a lot of maybe high profile would be the right term, leaders out there tend to fall in the assertive category, which are the three, the seven, and the eight.
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SPEAKER_02: And so the unique combination of that for you is a seven wing eight, it explains why you have done what you've done, that you've lived life full of adventure, yet um taking people along with you, bringing along with others to your vision and idea out of truly an altruistic motive, but also for the sense of wonder and adventure, which I love that you were willing to share that um little piece.
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SPEAKER_02: Because I think for the eight, the motivation really is to protect themselves from betrayal, ultimately from the inn and struggle with the vulnerability.
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SPEAKER_02: But the seven's a little bit more freer because they want to be free and unhindered and unlimited.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And they're a little bit more afraid of being bored and without options.
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SPEAKER_01: That says me all over it.
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SPEAKER_02: You have not lived a life of boredom whatsoever.
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SPEAKER_01: That's true.
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SPEAKER_01: I am I am grateful for that.
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SPEAKER_01: And and I think the thing that amazes me the most is that not everybody wants to live that life in the same way.
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SPEAKER_01: We all have different things that we would be more bent toward or lean toward, but nobody wants to live a life of boredom.
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SPEAKER_01: Even if we want security, even if we want stability, we still want meaning and we want.
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SPEAKER_01: So I think there is adventure is different for everybody, but I think there is adventure for everybody.
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SPEAKER_02: Amen.
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SPEAKER_02: Wholeheartedly.
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SPEAKER_02: In fact, when I release this podcast, I might have to say, have to do a social media post about what adventure looks like for each type because of our unique motivations and our desires.
13:59
SPEAKER_02: That adventure might look differently, but the call to adventure, as you do in your book, is for everyone, which one of the chapters you titled Inconvenient and Messy.
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SPEAKER_02: So unpack that a little bit if you would, because uh there's some of us who are listening who are going, Well, Amy and Ginger, adventure is fine for you, but adventure can be uncomfortable.
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SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it sounds like you've learned a few things about that.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they are absolutely right.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's natural, I think, for everyone to avoid being uncomfortable, to avoid things that are too out of control and too messy because then we feel like we are no longer in charge of our own destiny and it's not gonna go where we want it.
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SPEAKER_01: But I challenge with just this: we don't have to be completely careening, you know, down a road and flailing all over the place.
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SPEAKER_01: As Christians, being out of control means to be in God's hands.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's not a carelessness, it's not an out of control as far as I'm in danger necessarily.
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SPEAKER_01: It's I need to release my control to a loving God who has a better handle on what I need and what is right for my life than I do.
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SPEAKER_01: So, because of that, I think life has to get a little bit inconvenient and a little bit messy for all of us to be able to go where God wants us to go.
15:35
SPEAKER_01: When you read the Bible, he definitely is calling people all through the Bible to a lot of messy, sticky situations that are not what they barely put us to take up your comforter and lie wherever is easy.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that I wish, but no, not so I've had some of my greatest adventures really in places that I didn't want to be and at times that I didn't want to be there, and in messy, sticky, dirty, muddy situations that I would have thought I'm not gonna like this.
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SPEAKER_01: And I found some piece of wonder there that I wouldn't want to live my life without.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think that's really a key is do we want perfection or do we want passion?
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SPEAKER_01: Do we want what we really love or do we want to hold tightly to that control?
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SPEAKER_02: That's so good.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, in fact, you kind of you're referring to it a little bit, the sticky, the messy.
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SPEAKER_02: I got a kick out of your trek through the Amazon and flip-flops.
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SPEAKER_02: That is a memory maker for sure.
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SPEAKER_02: I know that you walked away from that time and from that experience with some keys that I think are really helpful to others.
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SPEAKER_02: Do you mind sharing some of that?
16:49
SPEAKER_01: Sure, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I had a very unexpected opportunity, one of my very first times in the Amazon, to go with some friends.
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SPEAKER_01: They said, Come on, we're gonna take you out to dinner.
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SPEAKER_01: So, you know, we we all had just been on a long flight.
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SPEAKER_01: I was just wearing flip-flops and I'm like, okay, great.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't want to miss out on anything.
17:07
SPEAKER_01: There goes FOMO.
17:08
SPEAKER_01: FOMO.
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SPEAKER_01: And so we're we're out there, had a nice dinner, and they said, Have you guys been in the jungle yet?
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SPEAKER_01: And we're like, no.
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SPEAKER_01: And they said, We know a really great little spot.
17:18
SPEAKER_01: Let's just take you there.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I had been in other jungles, enough to know around the world.
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SPEAKER_01: You don't go into the jungle and pop up.
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SPEAKER_01: Not a good idea.
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SPEAKER_01: But anyway, we all went together and we started going through this beautiful, seriously, just almost what you see like a Disney jungle in your head.
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SPEAKER_01: I love it.
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SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
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SPEAKER_01: Beautiful, colorful flowers and and leaves as big as your body and trees that were astounding.
17:48
SPEAKER_01: But as we're getting deeper and deeper, my feet are getting deeper and deeper into the mud as well.
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SPEAKER_01: And so you know you clinch with your toes to those flip-flops.
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SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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SPEAKER_01: They're sliding all over to not lose them in the mud somewhere.
18:02
SPEAKER_01: And anyway, we we kept going and just got messier and messier.
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SPEAKER_01: And I had a decision to make.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like, okay, am I gonna tell everyone, you know what, I'll wait here for you guys and I'll be fine, I'll be waiting.
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SPEAKER_01: Or I could keep trudging, keep getting messy, be inconvenienced, and maybe see something astounding.
18:23
SPEAKER_01: And so that's what I chose because if we let those inconveniences stop us from the adventures that God has for us, I think we'll look back with regret.
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SPEAKER_01: And I did not want to look back with regret.
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SPEAKER_01: So there are things that are so inconvenient.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, when I was taking this walk, I could have begun complaining and thinking this is gross.
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SPEAKER_01: And I remember making a turn because your mind starts to go there, and then you start thinking about what you're thinking about.
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SPEAKER_01: I started thinking instead of like, okay, this is my first Amazonian mud bath, and I'm going to be beautifully exfoliated, and it's just like having a pedicure, and I'm gonna enjoy it.
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SPEAKER_01: And so we walked on and we came across this beautiful huge tree that was just astounding.
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SPEAKER_01: Climbed up this tree, put a knife between my teeth, and took my first Amazon princess warrior shot.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's one of my favorite pictures still.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's just one of those opportunities that God taught me so much, and He did teach me that inconvenience is sometimes the beginning of beautiful things, and that we all have so much to learn about what we think is messy, that if we allow ourselves to say, no, I'm too busy, no, this is too much hassle, no, this isn't the right time, then we're gonna miss many of those opportunities that God had for us.
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SPEAKER_01: So though those were a few of the lessons.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, I also learned that when you're not prepared, because I do, I like to be prepared.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, if you're not prepared, sometimes find another way, try it anyway, because I can very easily stop a lot of forward momentum by saying, I'm not ready for this.
20:17
SPEAKER_01: So sometimes we can say be prepared for anything, but sometimes God takes us beyond prepared and says we're gonna go do this thing together anyway.
20:27
SPEAKER_01: So I did, I learned a lot through that.
20:29
SPEAKER_01: And it was an experience that I did not expect, but that I adored.
20:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, what a memory for sure.
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SPEAKER_02: I can think of different times where I missed it, and I'm sure all of us as we're listening, we're like, Oh, yeah, we all there's we have missed it, you know, and but some of that, the reason why we missed it is because I think it was for me in particular, it was a lack of awareness that I could take this moment to wonder.
20:55
SPEAKER_02: And so, for you, how do we cultivate that awareness a little bit?
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SPEAKER_02: Because because I don't think it necessarily happens naturally, because as we talked about, we're we're naturally bent to this comfort.
21:05
SPEAKER_02: So, first of all, it's being willing to find it even when it's inconvenient and messy.
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SPEAKER_02: But what are some other wise words from ginger and cultivating the awareness?
21:17
SPEAKER_01: I think there's so much to be said through being led by the Holy Spirit and asking for that discernment, for that guidance.
21:26
SPEAKER_01: Just like you said, I've had experiences that I know I missed something that God wanted me to do because I said no, I wasn't ready.
21:35
SPEAKER_01: God may have been ready, but I said no.
21:38
SPEAKER_01: What I've learned even through that is that God doesn't say, okay, you know, it's over, you missed it.
21:44
SPEAKER_01: I'll see you later.
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SPEAKER_01: He still redirects us when the time comes and gives us new opportunities.
21:51
SPEAKER_01: So I think that's hugely important.
21:53
SPEAKER_01: If you've missed something, don't give up on yourself.
21:55
SPEAKER_01: God doesn't give up on you if you did.
21:58
SPEAKER_01: And so being open to those things of wonder and and saying, okay, Lord, let your Holy Spirit show me what you want me to see here.
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SPEAKER_01: I've been in some really difficult, devastating places where people are suffering, where there's been natural disaster, where there's been war, where um people are literally starving and babies are are starving in my arms and saying, okay, God, I don't understand this.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know how I'm supposed to see anything good in this.
22:29
SPEAKER_01: Where's the wonder here?
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SPEAKER_01: And I just remember so clearly God saying, if you'll let me, I'll show you where I am even in this.
22:38
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_01: And there are opportunities where it's not what God or it's not what he wanted.
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SPEAKER_01: There's sin in the world.
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SPEAKER_01: There's sickness in the world and people make choices that hurt all of us.
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SPEAKER_01: But he is still there with restoration and healing and beauty even in those difficult dark places.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's something I've really learned about wonder is it's not just on the mountaintops.
23:04
SPEAKER_01: It's in the valleys.
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SPEAKER_01: It's in the really, really hard times.
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SPEAKER_01: And if we think that our personality isn't meant for it or if we think that this time in our life isn't meant for it, God is big enough to say, I can do it right where you are and I can do it with right who you are.
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SPEAKER_01: There's nothing outside of my reach.
23:27
SPEAKER_01: Those are some really important keys is to begin with that prayer and say, okay, Holy Spirit I'm yours.
23:32
SPEAKER_01: Show me what to do.
23:34
SPEAKER_01: And God help me to open my heart because that's a big thing.
23:38
SPEAKER_01: We protect our hearts.
23:39
SPEAKER_01: We don't want to be hurt.
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SPEAKER_01: We don't want to fail.
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SPEAKER_01: We don't want to be rejected.
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SPEAKER_01: So we do have to use wisdom and protect ourselves in certain ways.
23:50
SPEAKER_01: And there will be times when we'll know this is not the thing I'm supposed to do.
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SPEAKER_01: That's that discernment from the Holy Spirit.
23:58
SPEAKER_01: But when God says go, I want to say yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And be all there.
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SPEAKER_02: You touched on something that I think is really good because I know there are some personality types that are a little bit more bent to have gone through a negative experience and stay there a little long, tend to look past right instead of enjoying the present moment or feel anticipation about what could happen in future moments, what good stuff, right?
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SPEAKER_02: And it's that tension of holding the bitter because there is the bitter, but to be able to enjoy the sweet.
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SPEAKER_02: So I think what you talked about there, I don't think it's necessarily even something we muster, but we invite the Holy Spirit and we ask the Lord, help us enjoy, help us see the goodness of what you have for us in this moment, have for me in this moment as exactly as you shared, holding tension or tragedy essentially in your arms with the beauty of the experience of the creation of the Lord and that you get to you know even love on that child in that moment.
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SPEAKER_02: I love that.
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SPEAKER_02: That's really beautiful.
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SPEAKER_01: I think there's something so wonderful about the fruit of the spirit in our life our different personality types may be more bent toward one of the spirit like right I'm more bent toward joy.
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SPEAKER_01: You know that's unnatural for me.
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SPEAKER_01: But when it comes to patience ouch you know I need a little bit more.
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SPEAKER_01: Exactly I need a lot of help in that area or maybe for someone else it's self-discipline you know maybe for someone else it's it's love.
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SPEAKER_01: And what I love about the way God works with our personalities through the Holy Spirit is those those fruit are available for all of us, but we have to work in different ways to cultivate it.
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SPEAKER_01: So there are no's for any of us.
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SPEAKER_01: The fruit of the spirit is available to each one of us but we have to work a little harder in one area than another.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think it's the same whether it's letting go of past hurt or trusting where we don't know how to trust or being able to love again when our heart has been broken.
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SPEAKER_01: Those are all things that are very different for each of us by the way that we handle it.
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SPEAKER_01: But they are things that God's love can break through in any one of us and can help us with that.
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SPEAKER_01: So yes, some people aren't going to be as naturally to say I'm going to go jump out of an airplane but God might say but this is something you're not real comfortable with that I do want you to try and and I'm going to do it with you and we can do it together.
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SPEAKER_01: And it might be saying hi to a neighbor you don't know and building a brand new relationship that will enrich your life in incredible ways.
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SPEAKER_01: So I think that's really the key is not to look at it um don't start with just all the hard big stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: God doesn't always ask you to jump off the ledge sometimes he asks you to take a few easy steps.
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SPEAKER_01: So if we start there with him then he he pulls us along and he guides us through the bigger stuff too.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah that's so good.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe two more questions here before we go and one of them is I usually love to find out the behind the book like the story behind the story.
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SPEAKER_02: Sometimes it's a brokenhearted moment that led to that wholehearted decision to write the book or it was writing the song or starting the ministry or getting this job.
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SPEAKER_02: For you I don't know that there's the a brokenhearted moment but there must have been a time where you're like I think I need to capture these besides just being great stories there's more of a mission behind it.
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SPEAKER_01: Definitely I think for me something happened that um I began to feel something that was very unusual for me.
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SPEAKER_01: And I began to really grapple with it and it was a discontent it was a very strong feeling that there was something else that I needed to be doing something that God was prompting me, pushing me, asking me to do.
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SPEAKER_01: And I wasn't going there.
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SPEAKER_01: So I really began experiencing that uneasiness and praying about oh tell me what to do I I want to be obedient.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not always great at everything that I'm asked to do but I want to my heart is to do those things.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's really praying that God would reveal some things for me.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm so glad he he's such a gentleman he began to do it step by step.
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SPEAKER_01: He didn't say this is the book I want you to write and I want you to do it on this date.
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SPEAKER_01: He said start with just a list of of things that you've been through.
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SPEAKER_01: So I started just making a list of of adventures and from there it was start thinking about what you learned from those things and what other people can learn through their own adventures.
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SPEAKER_01: And it all started with formulating these thoughts and lists and processes and then it became very strong that from other people from friends as well and I love when God works through friends and confirms what's in your heart that I needed to share these stories and to write them down in a way that was not about it's not a memoir.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not about sharing what I've done.
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SPEAKER_01: It is about equipping other people to open their lives to the wonder that God has for them.
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SPEAKER_01: And so that really is how it all came out of kind of a not a brokenness but definitely an urgency.
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SPEAKER_01: How about that?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah the humble contrite spirit led to an openness to be led of the Lord and to be obedient to him.
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SPEAKER_02: I think like you said that was so kind of the Lord giving you little baby steps along the way.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh I'm so grateful.
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SPEAKER_02: I love it.
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SPEAKER_02: That is so great.
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SPEAKER_02: Well as we finish here Ginger is there maybe a couple of small ways that we can begin to awaken ourselves to wonder or you know look for adventure or to be open to adventure or just something else that you know was really your thought and your heart behind the book that you want to share with us today.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I think the big thing we've touched on is that no one is left out.
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SPEAKER_01: And this is something that really helped me and might help some of the moms who are listening was that I really learned so much about who I am and how to live this life that God was asking me to do by being a mom, by sparking that adventure mentality that lifestyle in my kids that was so important to me to be able to share with them all that God had for them.
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SPEAKER_01: And their personalities are very different than mine.
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SPEAKER_01: So I had a lot to learn along the way on how to do that.
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SPEAKER_01: One of my daughters I used to um basically pay her to have adventures yes totally so I'm all for it reward it's totally reward.
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SPEAKER_02: It is if you do this adventure you get a reward.
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SPEAKER_02: I love it.
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SPEAKER_01: So one time we were joking around and she came out with this tinfoil hat on her head and she said I I have this on so that the aliens can't probe my thoughts and it was so funny we're laughing so hard and I said okay I'll pay you$10 if you'll go to the mall with me right now just walk around and if anybody asks why you're wearing the hat, you tell them.
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SPEAKER_01: And she thought about it for a minute and it was not you know necessarily natural for anybody to do right and she's like yeah okay I'll do it and so it was a great adventure that we still talk about and she had a blast and at first it was a little nerve wracking people started asking her about her hat and she started telling them yeah I don't want the aliens to probe my thoughts that is precious.
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SPEAKER_02: I love it.
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SPEAKER_02: What a great memory maker I think that is good.
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SPEAKER_02: And that you know for some moms that would be hard and uncomfortable but just think about that you know you get to do that maybe even join them and put the foil hat along with them.
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SPEAKER_01: And whatever it is that's right for you and your family and your kids.
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SPEAKER_01: So our other daughter is more of a perfectionist and she's accomplished so much.
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SPEAKER_01: She's amazing.
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SPEAKER_01: So growing those things in them but also helping her to break out of that perfectionism and to see how life can be inconvenient and messy.
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SPEAKER_01: So I think that as moms we can teach our kids so much about this but let's flip that switch and remember how much we learn from our kids and how they are our greatest adventures and how much there is that God is waiting to do in our lives that so often we just put a lid on and we say not right now.
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SPEAKER_01: And we do all have different seasons but in each of those seasons there is something that God wants to show you that's wonderful and walk through with you.
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SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: Amen I can't think of a better way to end on that note I believe that every woman listening today is going to be encouraged and be ready to look for a little bit more adventure.
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SPEAKER_02: I hope so that's my prayer for all of us.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much, Ginger.
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SPEAKER_02: Thanks it's been so much fun so you can chase a little bit more wonder in your life I'd love to learn more about what encouraged you today.
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SPEAKER_02: You can send me an email shoot me a message on Instagram at wholehearted Enneagram or leave a five-star review on this podcast platform so I know which episodes have encouraged you.
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SPEAKER_02: And it also encourages others to maybe be a part of this podcast or to share it.
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SPEAKER_02: Now you can get Ginger's book Chasing Wonder Small Steps Towards a Life of Big Adventures you can find it on Amazon and pretty much where books are sold.
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SPEAKER_02: Now remember friend you are the mom your kids need.
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SPEAKER_02: Continue to pursue perspective purpose and plans for the wholehearted life you desire