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"Death Gods & the Attack on President Trump" w/ Naomi Wolf · Man in America Podcast

• 0:00
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So if you watch this show enough, you you would probably know that I like taking this big, you know, hundred thousand million foot view perspective on where we're at. It's for me, I focus on the details, but you can't just look at the details. You have look at the bigger picture.
• 0:18
  And in my own quest for understanding why the world is what it is today and why everything is so insane, it's consistently led me back to this place of understanding that this is a battle of good and evil. It's the only way I can make sense of what's happening in the world right now, that there is a some sort of divine battle that's happening. Right? Maybe it's in other dimensions or whatever. There's angels and demons and God and Satan and the whole the whole thing, and that's happening simultaneously as we are all in these bodies acting and, you know, participating in this battle as well.
• 0:48
  But it's a constant quest to understand this battle of good and evil and look at where it comes from. How does it manifest? And how is this evil entity controlling our government or our politicians or communist countries around the world, or how is it getting into the the minds of our children and recruiting them as being soldiers for the evil, and how do we stop that? And so joining us today is my good friend, Naomi Wolf, who is a I'd probably say, you know, has a much more of a philosopher, you know, bent on things. She loves taking these big picture looks at analyzing, and there's an article we're gonna be going on over today that she recently published on her Substack that's talking about basically the the worship of death and how the god of death has come back into our culture.
• 1:29
  So we're talking about all that and more on today's show. So folks, please enjoy the interview. Naomi, it is always a pleasure and a joy to have you on the show. Thank you so much for being here with us today.
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: I I always love being here, and thank you so much for having me back. It's a pleasure.
• 1:45
  Seth Holehouse: Absolutely. So something that I appreciate about you is your willingness to explore different ideas and and to talk about them. And and you've got a brilliant substack where you, you know, share your thoughts and your musings through very, very well written posts and very eloquent. And there's your recent article, which I read this morning that really got me thinking. It's called, Death Gods, and the Attack on and the Attack on President Trump.
• 2:14
  It says the death drive comes to America. I I feel like this is an important topic to look at because while we could be getting into the details right now of the Secret Service, and I'm sure that, you know, Brian, your husband, whose intelligence has a lot to say in your conversations about, like, all the security details and all this stuff, but there's also the other part of it, which is taking a step back and just looking at our nation and saying, where are we right now? And you do a brilliant job of summarizing, you know, what you refer to as this, almost like the the death gods have come into our society. There's this worship of death. There's this hatred.
• 2:52
  But I want I'll I'll pass it to you just to just to share your thoughts on why you wrote this this article and what your broader thoughts on, and then we can just take it from there.
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you it is true that I've been struggling, and and my approach as a writer has been, you know, I'm not gonna pretend I know the answers. Right? I'm just gonna be transparent about the questions I'm asking because I'm definitely on a journey, and I haven't come to the end of it. I'm just bringing my readers along with me.
• 3:24
  And the journey has to do with what the heck. You know, something happened in 2020. A lot of people feel it, if not everybody. It's still with us. The world has been kind of inverted or corrupted or the veils have fallen.
• 3:39
  I mean, you could use any number of metaphors, but the world we're in now isn't the same world, that we inhabited in 2019, and the changes are not cannot be explained in my view through a purely mechanistic or materialist or historicist set of explanations. There's something metaphysical going on. And so I I wanna know what, and I wanna understand it. And, of course, I wanna protect myself and my family, you know, from it because one of the notable things that characterizes this time is is manifestations of evil that are kind of flamboyantly, impressively different than we thought evil could be. Right?
• 4:26
  We thought I I thought it was like this thing at the margins, maybe sociopaths, you know, maybe, you know, sin, whatever that is, right, You know, invites evil, whatever that is in people's personal lives. Certainly, knew about the Nazis from my own family history as well as from reading history. I knew about Stalin. I knew about, you know, Pol Pot. But so I knew that evil could kind of, become unleashed in a culture.
• 4:53
  But I I didn't know that it could change a whole society overnight, the way it did ours, and and that it could take a society that was grounded as ours has been on Judeo Christian Western values, which are quite moral, you know, compared to a lot of other societies that have existed in history and kind of flip flip whole institutions around, which is what we've been seeing. So I was writing that essay anyway because I've been noticing that I mean, it's like the second or third essay kind of exploring evil and darkness and whatever this weird stuff is that's happening. But I've been noticing that people in my kind of blue circle, because I come from the democratic world, or my former blue circle, but when I still kind of run into them, they're starting to list illness and disability and very serious medical conditions and deaths with a sense of pride and accomplishment and satisfaction, which is weird and creepy. But I've also been noticing this kind of ratcheting up of genocidal language in our own culture. Like, let's just let the unvaccinated die.
• 6:10
  Oh, well, the vaccinated have died. You know, let's, you know, liquidate the Gazans, death to Jews, death to America. You know, president Trump has to be eliminated. I mean, genocidal language. And I know from history that once you cross a certain threshold of dehumanization and invoking kind of a genocidal reality, it's very easy to, start to euthanize, you know, and to start to cull people or let people die if they're useless eaters or create death based policies.
• 6:48
  And that once you do that, it seems like a frenzy kind of emerges into a culture as it has during the great, you know, massacres like in Rwanda that that kind of goes beyond logic or strategy. Right? Like, you know, well, like the Nazis, they they didn't do it just in a way that would have been strategically necessary to solve the Jewish problem from their twisted perspective. There was this orgy, this ritualistic kind of, worship of death. So then president Trump was shot while I was in the middle of writing this.
• 7:22
  And I you know, that's in the essay, but I I feel like president Trump's the assassination attempt is part of the, kind of worship of dark forces in our, you know, culture now. And I also, and and forgive me for not being that eloquent, but this is very kind of associative essay where I'm not I'm not sure, you know, what the answer is. Right? But I'm aware I went back, as you mentioned, and looked at other cultures that that had kind of death gods. And I looked at Freud's notion of the death drive of Thanatos versus Eros, which is the life drive, and kind of concluded that we'd better think about that because, you know, the death gods are are out in America.
• 8:14
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. They they really are. And it's interesting because we like, one of my favorite movies is Apocalypto. Right? We Mel Gibson movie that was about the I think it was about the Mayans.
• 8:25
  And it it, you know, it was it showed what that culture was like. Obviously, it was a Hollywood representation of it, but we do know that there was human sacrifice, ritualistic human sacrifice as one of the pinnacles of the society that the whole culture was surrounding that. And there's been as you've mentioned, as you you you get into in your article that this isn't the first time that there's been this wave of of death worship. And even beyond that, I mean, even looking at, I haven't watched the game or sorry, the show personally, but there's the one I forget the the even name of it, because I didn't watch it. This the Netflix game shows, like a Korean film, you know, know, multi series, and it was like this brutally violent show about, these games where people would play, and it's it's escapes me the name of it, but you know, was two horrifying what's that?
• 9:18
  Squid Games? Squid Games. Yes. That's it. Yes.
• 9:22
  Where but it's just it it's a worship of death, and that was the fact that that was one of Netflix's, like, number one shows, like, highest ranked, but you also look at, say, you know, Game of Thrones. You look at some of the the the just worship of violence, the gratuitous violence, and violent rape and everything, and it's it's worth just taking a step back and looking at, okay, what happens when these become the idols that a culture worships, and and where is that culture heading if that's the case?
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. In the comments to my essay, someone just noticed. And I think this noticing is a very good exercise for people to start to engage in because the world is changing in so many creepy, ominous ways, and it's important to like, as Brian would say, you should notice when a you should notice your baseline the way it usually is and then notice when there are patterns that change. So this person was noticing after reading my essay how prevalent the motif of skulls was. You know, that teenagers have this skull wallpaper on their, you know, iPhone and people are wearing skull T shirts that well, my husband does.
• 10:36
  I'm not being critical. But, you know, that that that and someone else noticed that there are these plushy dolls that are not, like, cute little adorable, you know, bunnies and and and and baby dolls, but they're now, like, sick or they have, you know, illnesses or they're injured or they're they have stitches or bruises. And and I see this. Right? That used to be really at the margins like goth or punk.
• 11:02
  Right? But now it's, like, so mainstream. If you look at children's cartoons, like, have little kids. My gosh. I mean, that would be such a minefield if I had a small child now because there are, you know, death, like, skull motifs.
• 11:18
  You know? There are violent motifs in in children's cartoons from the Cartoon Network. And I at the end of this essay, I think it's kind of worth thinking about this. Like, you really wanna ask why. Right?
• 11:35
  What does it mean? Just as you just asked. And I don't think it's I I don't think it's adequate to kind of bemoan where we're going as individuals because I don't think this is happening on an individual scale. I think we're being very propagandized. I mean, Squid Games is a great example.
• 11:52
  Right? We're being really encouraged. Like, how many Netflix movies are about, know, love and marriage and and starting a family anymore? Right? That used to be the theme of you know, there was love and war in Hollywood.
• 12:05
  Now, you know, you really I can't think of any. You know, almost none. And why would there be that propagandizing that a friend of mine and I, you know, very much support LGBTQ rights, but a friend of mine was saying who's also, you know, not a kind of homophobe, was saying, did you look at the the Pride upgrade in San Francisco this year? And then she told me about this section, and I know this because I'm seeing more and more of it, where there were naked men masturbating or engaging in BDSM or urinating on people in front of children in public, you know, and the the the police were told not to intervene. Well, what why?
• 12:51
  Right? And and nothing made sense to me. I'm kind of giving away the end of my essay, but I think it's important. Nothing made sense to me, the why of all of this, until because you can see this ritualistic building up and building up of these corrupt, disgusting themes. A mentor of mine who's, very involved with Chabad, which is kind of a Orthodox Jewish organization, said that he's very interested in getting in encouraging both Jews and non Jews to follow the no hide laws, which are seven of the 10 commandments.
• 13:23
  Like and and he's he's interested in that because from the from a Chabad point of view, and this is kind of a Jewish Jewish mystical point of view generally, we don't heal the world until we all live a moral life. And then in the act of living a moral life, we bring the kingdom of heaven down to earth, and we bring the messiah. So he was saying all of these dark forces know that their time is limited. They're expecting, you know, the messiah. I'm not saying I'm signed on to that.
• 13:52
  I have no idea, you know, when or if the messiah is coming. I'm, you know, completely agnostic about that. I love the idea, of course. But but from their point of view, it's it's coming. They actually have a date.
• 14:05
  But since it's coming, dark forces and I do feel this intuitively is true. Dark forces know that their time is limited, so they're kind of going crazy trying to get us to violate the commandments because that's what delays the arrival of Mashiach. So that's a very specific Orthodox Jewish point of view. But on an intuitive level, it kind of made sense to me. You know, I've said in the past, I reason backwards, right, looking at history because I'm a political consultant.
• 14:32
  So you you you don't look at the story. You look at the results of the action. Right? And that's usually where the truth lies. Like, what's the effect?
• 14:40
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• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Well, why would there be this massive intentional seeming infusion of pedophilia images and violent rapes and death images and glamorization of suicide and glamorization of drug addiction, you know, you know, massive porn everywhere, violent porn. You know, why? Why? Right? It it doesn't really help the bottom line of of a lot of industries, maybe the porn industry.
• 16:43
  Right? But it but it harms the bottom line in other ways of a society. It what's the motivator? And when he said that reasoning backward, maybe it's not that the Messiah is coming. Who knows?
• 16:55
  But for sure, it seems that there's some technology that's being affected by encouraging people to violate the commandments. And I'm pro choice with great regret within limited, you know, a limited window, but I can see that the glamorization of abortion on an industrial scale would, you know, habituate people to murder. Right? Habituate people to euthanasia. You know, the killing people in hospitals with remdesivir.
• 17:24
  Why? Okay. Well, yes, it got it it boosted the COVID numbers, but maybe it was also a ritual to acclimate us to a kind of completely amoral or immoral society where we're constantly breaking the commandments. Adultery is meaningless. Theft is meaningless.
• 17:43
  You know, murder is meaningless, and and that has some kind of technological effect of maybe not delaying the messiah. Maybe that's too literal, but maybe maybe has a technological effect of empowering some metaphysical dark forces that are already on the planet.
• 18:01
  Seth Holehouse: There's a to to comment on with there, but I think that looking at this so if, say, one day you wake up and you look around, and you're thinking, like, okay, gosh, you turn on Netflix. Or say say, you know, you're you fall asleep in 1950, and you wake up in 02/2024, and you look around, you would not recognize the world that we live in. You would think this place has become so evil. Because of, you know, it's the it's the frog being boiled, right? We don't notice the gradual changes.
• 18:34
  And but we actually and it's interesting because I think that for a lot of folks, they think that humanity would become so advanced now. We have all this technology, and you look back in the past, and you say, they were so, just, you know, kind of barbaric, or they were so, you know, uncivilized. But you look at where we are now, and we think, oh, we're so great. But I actually feel like it's almost the opposite, because the more now, obviously, you have you have periods in in, you know, throughout history, and we we talked about the Mayans, where there's mass sacrifice. You had the crusades.
• 19:06
  You had the, you know, the the wiping out of the the Indians and, you know, Native Americans in our country. So there's all these these moments, but I think as a whole though, like, you you mentioned that baseline. Right? So if you could track the moral baseline across history, Right? So we've gone from, you know, Michelangelo, you know, to piss Christ.
• 19:27
  Right? Or or, you know, any any number of things. We've gone from Mozart to Madonna, and now Lil Nas. Right? We've gone from Little House of the Prairie to any number of things that we see now.
• 19:40
  Right? And I think that it's hard though because we're in it. So we we think that it's all normal, but if we take a step back, and it's just like,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: woah. Yeah. Like No. Exactly.
• 19:51
  Seth Holehouse: Like, even you know, I put I made a video. I didn't put it out yet. I'm not sure if I will, but this you've probably seen this viral sensation of this Haktua girl. Right? This this woman.
• 20:01
  Oh, okay. So it's it's this woman that was in an interview, and the guy was asking her, like, what's your secret move? Right? And a guy, and she she she goes, Haktua, and she talks about this really disgusting sexual act. Right?
• 20:14
  Oh. And she's gone mega viral. I mean, like, mega, mega viral. And both sides, as a matter of left, right, up, down, they're they're almost worshiping her. They're making hats and memes and all this stuff around this.
• 20:28
  And it's like, this is what our culture's prioritizing. Like, this is, like, this is what becomes, like, viral. It's like, you know, you know, we we go back to the founding of our country, you know, and and the founders, they talked about how the constitution was for a moral man, and that it it would it would be wholly unfit for the governance of anybody else, and that people that didn't follow morality, basically, as they said, they they they belong in in the chains of of tyranny. And so it's like you go back to, say, you know, Ben Franklin or, you know, George Washington or Hamilton, and you say, you know, what do think of our society in 2024? And you explain this viral meme of some girl doing this, and their next question would probably be something like, is tyranny close?
• 21:13
  Because Right. This is what happens. Right?
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. How fascinating. Wow. That well, that's that's very deep because for sure, a moral life requires freedom. And the founders also, you know, wanted and demanded and desired freedom so that people could choose to live a moral life.
• 21:37
  And, you know, the the two are inextricably linked. Right? So I think you're onto something, but I I keep being, like, teased by this idea of some technology. Right? Like, maybe by enslaving people with pornography, with fentanyl, with addiction, with, you know, immorality, you know, addiction to more and more cruelty, addiction to more and more distraction, that allows some kind of spiritual enslavement that then allows tyranny to be consolidated more effectively.
• 22:14
  And and for sure, that's true. Right? I mean, look at I I just I I I I don't mean to get all, like, preachy. I'm really trying not to, but, I mean, that's the danger of these conversations. Right?
• 22:27
  You like, I always glaze over when people are like, well, I read the bible, and I'm like, ugh. I don't listen to this. But I'm reading the fifteen sixty eight bible, which is the Geneva bible, the founder's bible, the the bible written by a group of, dissidents, in in Geneva because they would be murdered in England at that time. And, it's translated very faithfully from the Hebrew, and I'm also reading the Hebrew. And there have been know, the big takeaway is there's been centuries of mistranslation that tend that followed that, that tend to make people seem or or think of themselves as more pathetic and more in need of the intervention of the middleman like a priest figure and that mistranslations that portray God inaccurately as distant and uncaring and irrational and cruel and kind of arbitrary and angry.
• 23:21
  And that's not there in the original. I mean, overwhelmingly not there, and something very different is there in the original. But my point is, what is, you know, what is different in the original would lead people and this is why, you know, I keep thinking this is the Puritan's bible, the founder's bible. It what's actually in the Hebrew bible would lead people to think, I I want to follow the commandments. I wanna be aligned with god.
• 23:46
  I wanna be free. Right? And if I'm free and aligned with god, I'm gonna have all this power in my life and all these blessings. And and and I I don't wanna go back into that darkness of mental slavery, idolatry, you know, treating people like chattel, and so on. So there's something about a technology of morality that empowers a tech a reality and outcome of freedom, and there's something about a technology of corruption that seems to empower an outcome of enslavement, and that's all I understand about this at this moment.
• 24:35
  Seth Holehouse: It it's it's so it's such a good point, though, because if you look at you take a step back and you look at where our society is. Right? And and let's just say that we okay. I love the idea of this baseline. Right?
• 24:44
  We have your normal baseline. So say, you're over in Afghanistan. There's a certain baseline tension that you learn to understand. Okay. This is how things normally are.
• 24:52
  It's not uncommon for someone to be yelling or firing a gun off. You you find your base something, you realize, okay, that's outside of the baseline, and there's these patterns. And so, okay, so this is some sort of really bad thing there. Right? And so but if you take a a step back, and you look at the bigger picture of this, you have to you begs the question of this technology.
• 25:14
  So I I agree completely of the role, especially of the Internet, and when it's done, But it's you could also look at it and say that let's just say that there is a Satan. Right? You know, kind of being objective. If there is some evil entity, right, that is trying to drag humanity down into the pits of hell, And, you know, to to to change someone into a soul that deserves to be in the pit of hell, you need to get that person to engage in very immoral max acts and turn their back on God. And then you if you look, I mean, you know, it doesn't take, you know, a rocket scientist to understand how much social media and how much the Internet affects our worldview.
• 25:54
  It normalizes things. It shapes narratives. It creates a picture of reality that may not actually match reality. But if if the devil sees control of that technology, he could use it to put humankind on, like, hyper speed into, like like, behavior that should be burnt down like Sodom and Gomorrah. And I think it absolutely is being used for that.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe this is gonna sound weird, but maybe it's been I've been wondering if, like, AI is Satan, you know, or the Antichrist. I mean, maybe maybe some I don't wanna say all of the Internet because the Internet is also a gateway to, you know, freedom and empowerment and education, all the good things. But maybe it's well, I think the way you said it is correct. I mean, these are all to me, these are all metaphors. Right?
• 26:46
  I don't I'm Jewish. Right? And we have a different tradition around Satan than, Christians do. And I I just always note that even the notion of Satan that Christians have in the West in the twenty first century has been affected by medieval images of Satan and, you know, Hieronymus Bosch and Milton and, you know, Dante and Milton and didn't even exist in the same way in the fourth century with the Council of Nicaea. Right?
• 27:16
  So Satan is being elaborated as a character in the West. But but, nonetheless, maybe maybe that name and that story has to do with something real. Right? So I guess what I would say is me like, we're really in the realm of conjecture here. I just don't wanna kind of go off the deep end.
• 27:37
  But maybe it seems possible that just like this technology of the Internet could empower goodness to spread and knowledge of the law to spread, knowledge of the bible to spread, for instance, weight. You know, we're using it. It could also empower this satanic force, right, or this Baal force or whatever this dark force is to be clever and to scale up, right, and to scale up, it its its lure, its temptation. I mean, let me something we haven't even talked about, which is very much on my mind. You have little children.
• 28:13
  I haven't written the essay yet, but just the way the phone is sucking, especially mom's attention away from interacting with kids' faces. I see it all around me. I see the addiction. You know, not letting dads off the hook. They're doing it too.
• 28:30
  But just the way like, children, as you know, you talked about, you know, before the cameras rolled, you know, I don't wanna, like, share your secrets, but your your your children smiling. Right? My children smiling. Okay? Those moments, the the jokes, the giggles, the tickles, the teasing, the peekaboo, whatever, that's how children learn to be human and have empathy and to form relationships with other people.
• 28:56
  And childcare can be really tiring and repetitive. I'm just being honest. And so it's so tempting. Thank God when I was a young mom with small children, I didn't have this. Right?
• 29:08
  So tempting to put the phone in the hand of the child, to take out the phone. But but that's Satan, right, bet you know, creating this rift between mother and child or father and child. You know, the porn addiction, which is everywhere. I wrote a book that had a whole chapter on porn addiction. And so many men, especially because it affects the brains of men, are distraught.
• 29:30
  They don't want to be addicted to it. They don't know how to break it. It's destroying their relationships. It destroys women's sense of being safe, which is a whole other, you know, thing we could talk about. But the the you could say that in in these in so many ways, this device is amplifying satanic, impacts on on people without even, you know, oh, join the anarchist club or let's, you know, join the suicide club.
• 29:57
  It's like just as stranging people from each other is is satanic enough, you know, with these technologies.
• 30:04
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, it absolutely is. And, actually, I'm working on pulling up a website. Is this what the website is? Because I I wanna show this to you. I'm not sure that I'll find out what next time I'm letting you talk or take a look at it.
• 30:15
  But, Robert Epstein, I'm not sure if you're familiar with his work, but he put together this website that is tracking what the the big tech is doing. And they're tracking, and he's looking at and and they're looking at, how the coverage of political candidates shapes elections, and actually how potent of a tool it is that if someone goes to Google and searches for Donald Trump, how how much the first ten articles that are shown actually impact, what the person's perception is, and how it'll change their vote. Mean, it's incredible, but he also has part of it where he's looking at the content being shown to YouTube, or sorry, being shown to children via YouTube, which I'll get to. I'll pull it up in a second here. But one thing I do wanna pull up is I'm not sure if you've read this book yet.
• 31:00
  It's called how the specter of communism.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I I haven't read it cover to cover, but I've glanced through it. It's really important. And Brian, my husband, is always raving about it since it's very Yeah.
• 31:11
  Seth Holehouse: So it's it's a it's one of those profound books that that I've read, and especially in terms of understanding the spiritual battle. Because you get into communism, you get into political ideology, but then a lot of times, it's hard to make how do you bridge the gap between that and the spiritual? Because if you recognize it's a battle of good and evil, where where are the connecting lines that tie communism to Satan, for instance, hypothetically. Right? And I'm just gonna read just a little bit of the introduction.
• 31:39
  Actually, no. It's see this it is this right here. Just a little bit of the introduction here because it's it's it's really important, and this has been one of the best works that I've found that frames where we are at right now as a civilization better than almost anything else. So let's read a little bit here. It says the collapse of the communist regimes in the Soviet Union in Eastern Europe marked the end of a half century long cold war between the capitalists and communist camps in the East and the West.
• 32:05
  At the time, many were optimistic, believing that communism had become a relic of the past. The sad truth, however, is a transmogrified communist ideology has taken hold and entrenched itself around the world. In China, North Korea, Cuba, and Vietnam, they're outright communist regimes. In Eastern European countries, communist ideology and customs still exert a significant influence. And in African and South American countries, socialism is practiced under the banner of democracy and republicanism.
• 32:30
  Then there are the nations of Western Europe and North America, which have become host to communist influences without even realizing it. Communism breeds war, famine, slaughter, and tyranny. These in themselves are terrifying enough, but the damage dealt by communism goes far beyond this. It has become increasingly clear that unlike any other system in history, communism declares war on humanity itself, including the human value including human values and human dignity. And so one part that, you know, is also in this is it references the wolf cubs.
• 33:01
  So it references part of the the the communist, you know, the programming in China was taking the children and basically making them numb to violence. And so one thing that they would do, for instance, is they would take the young children, and as part of a school trip, let's just say that one of the kid's parents, you know, a, they they got the kids to turn, you know, to turn on their parents. So let's just say one of the parents was in trouble for hiding extra grain to feed their family or whatever, and the kid turned them in, which is very common. They turned the youth against the the older people in in the society. What they would do is that they would take all the kids in like a kindergarten class to go watch the public execution.
• 33:38
  And so they had these kids in the front row of the public execution, but they're brutal executions like cutting out the hearts or and they'd make the kids sing songs and cheer on the the murder of their parents or of their teacher or and that's and so they got these children to worship violence and death. And there was a saying that I forget the the, old the the saying exactly, but it was it was an old communist song that talked about how, you know, that communism that is like the old ways, like, humans are turning to ghosts, and the new ways is that basic ghosts turn into monsters. I forget the exact way of phrasing it. Was basically what communism does is it it doesn't just kill people and turn them into ghosts. It actually turns and it corrupts the human souls and turns humans into beasts.
• 34:25
  And so, anyway, I I just there's so much more. Like, I I I could do a whole miniseries just on that, that that book, you know, that the Epoch Times put out. It just it's so complex.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: You you really I think you've really tied this up in in an important way. I mean, when Brian and I talk about this, he speculates, you know, is is communism Satan? And, again, you know, mindful that to me, these are all metaphor metaphors, I think the answer is yes. Now we've got the merger of communism and big tech, right, which is sort of Satan on steroids. But that also makes sense.
• 35:03
  Right? If if communism wants to debase humans, and I I think that's a really excellent pithy introduction, That explains a lot of what we're seeing. I mean, we we you know, this ties in with Brian's analysis, which I'm thoroughly sold about, which is that there's an infiltration of communist ideas via the CCP in our culture. Well, maybe that is the same as an infiltration of, you know, satanic or malevolent, metaphysical ideas trying to debase humans and and trying to debase humans for a lot of reasons, and one of them being, then you can plant communism around the world and, and degrade humanity and have people who are who become more bestial. I mean, what's the what's the goal there?
• 35:53
  That's really interesting. Is it a spiritual degradation in service of a political goal or a political degradation in service of spiritual goal? I don't know. What does Satan's kingdom on earth look like? Like, what would it mean to get communism to triumph worldwide?
• 36:10
  Right? I I don't know. Maybe it would be great to ask Brian what the or the epic times writer is. But, like, what does that book say the ultimate goal is?
• 36:20
  Seth Holehouse: Basically, it's to to destroy humanity. That that they refer to the specter, right, the specter of communism that they tie in, and it's it's more of a, it's a spiritual entity. It's some sort of you know, you may call it Satan or whatever, but it's this it's an evil entity that just has the goal of just destroying humanity. Right? And if you go back to Marx's works, I mean, that's Marx's he he's very, he's very forward about that, that he wants to, you know, basically walk in the ashes of humanity.
• 36:47
  And it goes back to just the
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: That's it?
• 36:49
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So so Marx's writings talk about, like, the laying destruction and turning his back on God, destroying God's work. I mean, it it's a very yeah. It's it's you know, people think that communists are atheists.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Chapters that we were assigned in our Marxist Literary Criticism Classic Yale. I'm not kidding. They they skipped for that. Wow.
• 37:08
  Seth Holehouse: Even his his famous I'll pull up real quick. His famous poem called the fiddler. Have you have you read the fiddler?
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: I've seen excerpts. Read it all.
• 37:16
  Seth Holehouse: Where it is let's see. Let me I've got it right here for me. I'll pull it up in a so let's see. Where does it say right here? Okay.
• 37:28
  How so this is one of Marx's okay. This is a fiddler. I'm not sure when this came out. But one of the sayings here it says, let's see. How so I plunge plunge without fail, my blood black saber into your soul.
• 37:42
  That art God neither wants nor wists. It leaps to the brain from hell's black mist. Till hearts bewitched till sense is real with Satan, I have struck my deal. I mean, this is like basically and I think this right here. This is it.
• 37:57
  Right? My blood blacks, I plunge my blood black saber into your soul that art God neither wants nor wists. Right? He it's it's about getting God to turn his back on his creation, and abandoning mankind because mankind becomes so evil. I did find as as we're I know we're on a tight timeline, I found this other website I wanted to show you.
• 38:18
  So this is a guy named doctor Robert Epstein that actually was interesting. He was was much more of a Democrat, but suspected that big tech was having a heavy hand in influencing elections. So he put together this website called America's Digital Shield, which tracks in live time the political influence on how Google, Bing, Yahoo.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 38:36
  Seth Holehouse: It's it's amazing. It shows
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 38:40
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, it shows the political bias of Google search, the political bias of Bing search, the political bias of Yahoo, of YouTube even, and it tracks it over time. But then what's crazy is that, towards the bottom here, he actually shows so basically, how Google has reshaped the elections. So democracy under siege, so he's showing the current political leanings, then content sent by Google. This shows how he's mapped how Wow. There's certain states that Google will send really, you know, conservative or liberal or extreme liberal content, but then he looks at how at different races, how Google, based upon, like, heavy research, flipped the elections.
• 39:23
  Right? So he's saying that this is with Google's influence on people's search algorithms, if they search for who to vote for. This is what would have happened without Google's interference.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 39:35
  Seth Holehouse: I mean, it's it's a whole I'll have to send it to you. But the the reason why I wanna pull it up for you, because he also has something on here, where the he is monitoring, and he has this whole team of people. They're monitoring childhood at risk.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 39:49
  Seth Holehouse: So this is you talk about Satan seizing control. These are YouTube videos that are recommended to children. Right? So this is Oh
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: my god. Oh.
• 40:02
  Seth Holehouse: So these are I mean, it's disgusting. Right? This is these are literal screenshots of the content that's being recommended to children. My
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: god. Oh, Oh, what? Yeah. This is oh. Oh.
• 40:21
  Seth Holehouse: I mean, and so because these are literally because if kids are logged in as children, Google, you know, Google knows that. And these are the recommended videos that they're being served.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: This is horrible. Oh my god.
• 40:35
  Seth Holehouse: I mean, it's it's sorry. I should've given you, like, a a a warning there.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Your warning. Oh, is this? This is not appropriate?
• 40:42
  Seth Holehouse: Not at all.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god.
• 40:47
  Seth Holehouse: I mean, I'll I'll so I mean, so kinda looking at this discussion, right, talking about going back to Marx, and Marx saying that basically, his goal could be to get God to turn his back on people. Right? So you could bring the world into darkness. You look at the role of social media, the role of big tech, you look at what big tech is doing, you look at the rise in violence going back to your article, the worship of death, and is it is it any any coincidence that this is what children are being fed? This is, you know, squid games.
• 41:19
  This is what adults are being fed. I mean, it just it it comes it comes full circle. I'm sorry to to to gross you out with this.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: No. I'm just I'm horrified. I have a a steps in who recently turned 13. And when I looked at just roadblocks, it was so creepy, you know, and disturbing. And then he's been assigned to my amazement at a pretty good school in a great area, Hiroshima, the book by John Hersey.
• 41:53
  And it's, well, first of all, it's the most anti American document, you know, taken out of context you could possibly read because it's about the dropping of the bomb on Hiroshima at the end of World War two. But it also has I just glanced at it. I hadn't read it since I was in college. And it's, you know, images of a young mother carrying her baby for four days as it rotted in her arms with its skin falling off. And he's he he was 12 when he was assigned this.
• 42:20
  And it's like, this is traumatizing material. Why are they doing this? And and I I think, you know, that and the sexualization, they're all part of the same, process of kind of ritually stripping them of their ego and sense of security and, ability to just, develop normally around nontraumatizing content. That's really bad. Okay.
• 42:45
  YouTube, man. How do you but how do you like, existing filters are not gonna screen that out. Right? They're gonna say, oh, it's child friendly content.
• 42:56
  Seth Holehouse: Those are the normally, you would say, this is a child, so don't show them that stuff where it seems like they're what their algorithm is doing is this is a child. Do show them. And I know TikTok is similar. Right? There's been know about times I did a lot of reporting on this at TikTok.
• 43:09
  In China, TikTok, the algorithm was serving the young children math, you know, science, you know, that kind of learning, you know, self, you know, self development, whereas they find that the TikTok in America is serving children pornography, glorification of suicide, glorification of, you know, homosexuality and LGBTQ agenda, like the trans stars, etcetera, drug use. Like, that's the stuff that's being shown. And again, this this goes back to again, you know, know, Brian and I, we we've done a whole shows on this, but an unrestricted warfare that this is all part of it. Right? They can destroy the minds of our children, but then if you take a step back, and I'll I'll mention one final thing just just for conversation to throw in there is that there was a study, there was a big think tank within China that the CCP had, but they put together this huge report on what makes America so strong as an enemy.
• 43:59
  And the when they came back with this report, I forget exactly how this was the last ten, fifteen years, when this think tank, this Chinese think tank came back, what they identified that it wasn't the American military, it wasn't the second amendment, it was actually the morality of America that was its greatest strength. And so the CCP then realized that, and they've I mean, even Marx goes back and identifies this, but it was this confirmation even more so that to destroy America, they have to destroy the faith, and they have to destroy the family unit in America Yeah. For them to be able to overtake us.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: No. Well, you've you've answered the question then. This is the big why. And, it's a lot of a lot of conferences coming together, working together, maybe part of each other to create kind of a a death worship, a violence worship, a an anti family, anti life, anti human agenda. Well, that's cheery.
• 44:54
  I'm because of the time I have just now. But, on on a happy note, it would seem that at least some people believe, like my mentor, that if we actively, each of us, which is very doable. Right? It's not outside our our realm of possibility, engage every day in moral acts. We we protect ourselves, our families, our country.
• 45:20
  I hope so. I mean, you know, just to end on a positive note, that assassination attempt, right, that's not positive. But how can you avoid it's very hard to avoid, you know, divine intervention there. Exactly. Then the other thing I just shared is that the whole the whole crowd stayed pretty calm while shots were being fired and there was clearly something violent happening on stage.
• 45:43
  That could have resulted in the trampling death of dozens of people and injuries to dozens of people based on other kind of crowd panic, events. And, yes, there were fatalities, but the the crowd stayed calm and the the gun you know, the gunmen missed by a, you know, fraction of an inch. Maybe we really are in this great cosmic battle in which what our intention is makes differences in the material world.
• 46:13
  Seth Holehouse: I I I couldn't agree more.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Maybe we can fight these horrible influences off in that way. But, boy, parents listening, please pay attention to what's on your child's phone and algorithm. And the other thing I would say before I sign off is, moms and dads, please put down the phone and, like, look at your children in the face and talk to them because you never have those years back. They're the best years. And and it's a loop, right, when children don't get that face to face love and attention, they become less interesting, right, less less engaging.
• 46:51
  And then, you know, we turn out a next generation of little zombies, which is what I'm worried I'm seeing. I don't mean to open up a whole other subject of discussion. But, yeah, we can do good things. We can engage with our loved ones. We can look at our kids, tell them stories, sing songs to them, anything else that we can cling to for scraps of hope in the midst of the darkness.
• 47:12
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. Well, I I mean, I agree completely with just with that. And that that's what that's what really comes back on is that we all and I think there is a revival. I think that there is a a massive, you know, something called an awakening or whatever it is that people realizing that, hey, these things are evil, and I'm gonna homeschool my kids. I'm gonna, you know, ban YouTube.
• 47:30
  They're not having social media. Like, you know, my two daughters, you know, may maybe by the time they're 27, they'll be on social media. Right? I mean, it's like, it's I'm gonna go so far the other side. I'm not gonna be some, you know, insanely strict, but I wanna protect protect them from the evil.
• 47:44
  So last thing before we sign off, I wanna bring up just your web page here. So we've got let's see. So here is your Substack. I will put the link in the description. Also, dailyclout.com.
• 47:58
  Great place. So much good content there. I highly recommend people follow that. Put that in there.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: It's io.
• 48:02
  Seth Holehouse: Daily clout I o. Okay. Io. Yep. And also, I'll put in the description just so the the book, this how how the specter of communism is ruling the world is free.
• 48:13
  Right? They they the entire thing is published for free online. You can read it. There's a free audiobook, etcetera. There's also print copies.
• 48:18
  So if every American read this, it would be really, really helpful for us. So Really? Naomi, any final words before we sign off?
• 48:26
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• 48:54
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• 48:57
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• 49:00
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• 49:04
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• 49:04
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• 49:24
  Seth Holehouse: Absolutely. Feel like that we could spend hours hours still, but we're both busy. So I I appreciate the time you did give me, and, I typically our interviews have a hard cut off at half hours. I feel like this has been such a bonus to get this extra time out of you. So I appreciate you doing that for us.
• 49:39
  So thank you very much.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: My pleasure. See you soon.
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