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Hokies Flame Out · Boundary Corner Podcast

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Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast along my partner
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bronzy glow. My name is Curtis Wilson and
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Brian today. The Hokies fall 3835, Liberty,
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and it's late. It's 10:30 Saturday night where
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I'm pounding on a Doppel, Vienna logger.
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You've got some Bach there and tonight.
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We call these recapping. This isn't a recap episode
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tonight or at least out of this game.
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This is a recap episode. Of the current coaching staff at
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this University. State of the program?
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Yeah, perfect way to put it because what happened today?
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Is inexcusable. on third, seven, football and me and Brian a
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little after the game for about 35 minutes we chatted Brian I'm
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up in my attic working. Got the earbuds in me and Ron
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are talking back and forth. He's, I mean, let's say, you
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want to just go do this now and light?
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Brown, we got to calm down if not.
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It's going to be more in this episode, but we could go into
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the details of the of what happened and it's a lot of shit.
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It's a lot of the shit we've seen before.
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It's a lot of shit that makes. Us angry.
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But we're not. We're going to break this down
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on the several levels, again of the state of the program and of
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the coaching staff, More earlier today Brian hit me with
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something talking about the way we do things and we look back
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and we pointed out that there have been essentially six games
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in the last five years. Take that back seven games.
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Since Justin Fuente took over as head coach, that Boggle the mind
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of why we lose Syracuse and 2016, Georgia Tech in 2017, ODU,
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and 2018, the Boston College, and the Duke game in 2019, and
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this year so far, Wake and Liberty the day.
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Big man, you brought it up. Go.
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I am tired, man, and I'm not just saying that because it's
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10:37 on a Saturday night. I am tired of watching this
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football. Team played down to sub
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competition. And then hope for the best
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because we do it once or twice every single year.
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And when we do it, it feels like we're just like the coaching
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staff is out there flailing. It's like once once the trouble
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hits against these lesser complex or competition, we just
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forget what to do. I mean the only area that I
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would say we did well in today is I mean I'm going to actually
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give the offensive line some credit.
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I think they did a pretty good job today.
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Couple flags that I'd like to see cleaned up but overall a
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decent game for them. But and Hendon hooker just need
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he bawled out when he needed to and we called his number.
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I'll whole lot. Probably more than I am
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comfortable with on a given game.
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But this is Liberty, folks. I know they're ranked number 25
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and they have some Talent. They have talent at certain
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areas, but most of their team is full of three star or less
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Talent. Yep, they have what 83 star
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players we have. Oh God.
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How many? I don't even know.
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And there there's no other way to spin it, or excuse it, or
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anything like that. We were out coach and it started
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at 15 minutes in the first quarter.
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Woohoo. All right.
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Hold on. You know, I missed the first
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half because I was at a baseball game.
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So I'll let you divulge a little bit under that.
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I mean first series gash up the middle gash, up the middle.
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What did I talk about when we recorded on Thursday night with
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the defensive tackle? So who did I say?
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Should be playing front line. Who did I say?
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Should be playing second. One we say, Crawford, and
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Kendricks and fuga, and Hewitt and me, and you have talked
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about this on this program and we talked about it outside this.
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Teams that run the fucking ball and I just dropped the first f
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bomb. I don't know if you want to keep
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counting night here on the fucking ball as to now, When you
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are running Jared, Hewitt. Freaking heart of the line,
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normal pilot heart on the line with fight.
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Guys, you want to take him to a bra bra with you don't get me
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wrong there 286 pounds and I'm assuming morels like to 70 on a
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good day. I saw inside Zone on that first
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drive because I got home. We got to have time and I look
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at Brian, said, look at the first two defensive drop and
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it's inside Zone and they're literally just getting pushed.
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And I'm sitting here in. Luckily I got Brian.
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Some of y'all don't have somebody like Brian that I can
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talk to my man. What the fuck we doing?
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You're just like, I don't know, I don't know why we're
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continuously letting undersized defensive tackles against teens
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or run the fucking ball. Yeah, I mean we got to balance
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this thing out, man. I have no problem with, I mean,
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obviously Kendricks. And Hewitt, as you said, I mean
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Pollard and he would sorry our guys that play hard and
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Especially Pollard. I love having on obvious passing
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downs. But, and like I said, I love you
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and all the work he puts in the program.
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But at some point, you've got to say this is our deficiency, we
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need to clean up this deficiency.
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And if you're seeing consistently, when teams are
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running the ball against you and your defensive tackles are not
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able to hold their Gap. And let them give the
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linebackers a chance to make a play.
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We'll get to the linebackers here shortly.
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Let the linebackers make a play. That's a problem and I'm just,
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I'm baffled that we're still this far into the season guys
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getting healthy. I don't know if after the game
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if this was subtweeting the staff or subtweeting, the fans,
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the Crawford saying No, I'm not hurt.
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Y'all can stop talking about that.
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Yeah, I don't know if that's the subtweet against the staff for
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not getting him in there more consistently or if that's
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subtweet. The fans were talking so much
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shit about it but whatever it is.
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I mean I feel like we're starting to see A locker room
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that is getting frustrated. And I'm not sure if it's with
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the expectations and just not following through, or if it's
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with the coaching staff, or it's both, but I'm starting to get
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like, 2018 Vibes here. So this team is way more
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talented in so much more calendar.
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It feels it feels like we don't have rudderless like every time
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we feel like we're writing the ship, we get a broadside from a
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team that has no business running with us like Liberty or
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like in earlier this year. Like wait, wait, it's true.
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Then it's true. And it's we're going into it and
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it's 7:00 now and essentially Five Seasons and we sit here and
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today a lot of Stuff you talked about, we didn't have juicer,
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but that's okay. We're still more talented than
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them. But what it is, is you just what
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I feel Brian, and I didn't feel this last week in Louisville,
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but I felt it this week at home, Iris eyeliner, fucking dead.
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Regardless of play that happens, our side lines are fucking dead
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and honestly wasn't like that out the gate this season.
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I felt like we started the season.
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I mean, we and they talked about it all off.
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Stays in the whole like, bring your own fucking juice.
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Like well, no one's bringing fucking juice consistently now,
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nobody knowing there's nobody, when their plays made last week,
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it was Dax, and that was on the field this week.
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And I know you're going to probably hit that at some point
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tonight as we talk and drink beer.
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And watch Clemson Notre Dame on our televisions here, but there
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was no juice. I saw Liberty, somebody popped
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out of bounds and you'd see somebody jump up in there, man.
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They're, they're fired up their pain, they're gone.
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They're head, we get a tackle, it's guys like huh?
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And when the cylons are dead, especially in it, what's going
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on? You know, with no fan.
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Then we're going to hit that. Don't don't believe me, we will
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because it's a lot of shit going on.
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You've got to motivate yourself. I hate to say this.
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Because last week, you felt like it was something there, right?
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You saw guys up, you've seen it earlier.
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Would you be opposed Brian to telling 20, guys?
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I don't care if we're at home. Go sit your ass in Miriam and
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watching game. You know what before we traveled
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to Louisville after the Wake debacle, we talked about how the
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Louisville travel Squad was going to be smaller.
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Yep. Because of some of the
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shenanigans on the sidelines. Yeah.
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And I think we saw a little bit better action against Louisville
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and you know, right? Right back to it with the home
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game and you've got pretty much everybody out there on the
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sideline and similar type situation this week.
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So mean, that's a frustrating look.
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Yeah, but I mean I'm going to go a step further than that.
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It wasn't just the sidelines man.
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Okay, I'm going to say mostly on defense, the defense doesn't
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have a Swagger a Killer Instinct dogs.
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I mean I feel like these players have the potential to be that
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but we're not. The coaching staff is not
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getting them. Hungry.
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Haven't? They haven't yet.
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When I, when I look at this defense play, I feel like we
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have good players that occasionally played good.
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But we can don't have dogs that are asserting the action.
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They're not out there saying we're going to fucking come at
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you. We're going to knock the shit
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out of you and at some point we're going to make a big play
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in turn this thing around but right now.
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No one is afraid of this defense does not strike fear in the
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heart of anyone. And I'm not just saying that
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from a Perspective of, you know, we don't have a cam Chancellor.
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I'm saying that as we don't do anything across the board that
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makes teams have to really scheme, hard to take away and we
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don't have enough Killer Instinct where we're kind of
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winning the fight before, you know, were even off the bus.
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Like there used to be something about playing a hokie defense
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that was in people's heads even before The first snap and we do
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not have that anymore. No, that's, that's the honest
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truth. Man, there were times again.
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Me and Brian roughly been fans since 1995 and We always the
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most talented know, we weren't honest truth, but you talked
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about the dogs and it's missing issue.
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There's missing that one vocal guy or that one guy, who just
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hit the living shit out of somebody and literally stand
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over them and say, fuck you. Fuck you, you do it again.
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I'm gonna hit you again and immediately it's a mentality
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thing. I think there are some guys on
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this defense it could be that. Absolutely.
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Why aren't they vocal though? Usually Brian you coach, some
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high school football. You were coached in college.
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You were coached in high school. Usually, there's a coach that
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will I'm not going to say override the head coach, but the
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kind of give the head, I'm assuming there's somebody that
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would get the head coach of huge Goose.
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Hey you, let Bob saying, what the fuck you What to say to them
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on that field and you don't say, hey, we don't do that.
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You let him go out there and get them fired up and get them
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feeling it. Yep.
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Am I right? Yeah, I mean had at him in
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Sydney that those those guys were Chris Scott and Daniel
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Park. Shout out to y'all.
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If you're listening obviously some of our listeners probably
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are very familiar. With Chris Scott said about that
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coaching down 757. Yes.
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Oh if y'all seen Krista give a pregame or a postgame, y'all
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know the intensity of he brings and he brought that same level
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of intensity when he was playing on the field, he was the leader
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out there, he was the dog, people followed him and I feel
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like we have Leaders by example, on the field.
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But we don't have those guys that are Assertive in like the
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take, your will tight tight players right now.
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And I'm not even say players, but just consistently having
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those performances like you don't see I haven't seen anybody
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take over game yet and I mean, let's go ahead while we're here
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while we're talking about players in general.
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I'm going to give a shout out to a Mari bar.
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Know who yes in week one was a guy that I considered more of a
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situational one down player that was Being asked to do more than
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he should. And now he is the best player on
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the defense at least he was today.
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He wants them dead and you talk about one down run, it wasn't
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even one down specifically, it was 1 and plus 6 yards.
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Yes, he would come in one in plus six yards, and that mf'er
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give he is a dog. And you know what?
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Maybe he is the type of guy that if somebody can get in his ear.
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Maybe it's 55 is on the sidelines.
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Now can tell him you got a bark at them.
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And if they say something to, you know, we got your back.
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Because he seems like a kind of got custard, a man, watching the
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pieces, I've watched he was all over the place and he was doing
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everything his, I look at him re-borrow right now, Brian and
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that motor in his body. He has 15 more pounds on him.
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He gets up to 260 265. And motherfuckers go on in the
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NFL and not only going to the NFL with how he looks and how an
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experience he is like right now, he's raw as hell and taking that
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many steps this this quickly. I mean, it's impressive.
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So I'm gonna give the shout out to him, but what I'm going to
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Pivot to now is just kind of the overall linebacker play today
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and I'm going to start with, not being aware of why Alan Tisdale
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was not. Ting this game.
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I don't know if this was a team rule situation because we didn't
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see him until after the first quarter or something else that
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happened or this was just what we didn't start Dax last week so
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we're getting him back in there. Like I have no idea what the The
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thought process was in this decision but it was bad.
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We looked better when he was in there.
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That's no doubt and that's not saying that we look good at any
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point on defense the entire day. Oh no, that's a unit but that's
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saying that The snaps that Alan Tisdale played.
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We looked better than the snaps he didn't I mean obviously root
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getting nicked, you know, early our second quarter that hurt
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borrow even came out for like I think a series when he got
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nicked up so okay Nathan is that's not involve.
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Also yeah. So but you know as I know fans
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love Dex Dex play. Too many steps a day between
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waking like what? He was out there.
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Way too much. And it showed.
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You know, for all his good abilities, bad abilities,
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whatever Dax still struggles, at making decisions fast enough and
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shedding blockers. It's the old Bud Foster
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statement His head on an aligned with his feet.
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Yeah, that's it's why so many times in and everybody's like,
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well bud, love that cool. But was forced to put decks in
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that situation. I don't think he felt
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comfortable Tisdale quite yet last year it.
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But we'll still here. This year would Dax be it
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backer, I don't know. But they also are always talking
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about guys who can't get this in this together.
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We'll never make it because if you can't make this in this
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think is one you fucked. Basically, they picked up that
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Pi flag, which was bullshit by the way.
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That should have been a flag. All right, anyway.
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Sorry, it's what happens when a lot of drinking beer.
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It's like, we're sitting in the we're, like, we're sitting in
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the same room together talking, but the one thing I will say
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about Dax especially last week, You missed his juice on the
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sidelines. Right.
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Yep. Definitely big play last week.
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Give them all the credit in the world and you whether you like
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him or hate him or whatever. He was legitimately less, he was
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in the game. He was literally cheering every
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fucking play from the sideline and you need kind of like that.
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So it's almost like, hey coach, don't let that let him go
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fucking chair. He's got two more years of
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Eligibility at school. He can still let him get those
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guys. We make a first down swinging
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the towel, when somebody makes a good play on defense, right?
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The sideline, clapping it up but But there's no juice.
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There is no urgency. And Brian, there's a reason when
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we were in our, I don't want to say Prime because I feel like I
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prime. I don't think we did it yet.
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We were in our 20s. If there is a reason Lane
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stadium was the most fucking feared face to play in the
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entire country. One Death Valley, both of them
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Morton Touchdown, Jesus more than the swamp warranty town or
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in the plains. and man, I think We're missing it as a team were
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missing staying there. We got to stay in there.
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It's almost a year now. Yep.
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Almost a year now East stands upper left near North End Zone
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where we can see the guys walk in.
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In the fields around us that the energy that was put out.
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We're missing. It is a team.
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Yeah, I mean as much as we talk about things they need to bring
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their own juice because I mean obviously we're not.
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The only fan base is dealing with this and yeah, we need to
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be able to create their own but you know, you're a fool.
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If you say that that's not missing from from this team,
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that was always an element of what.
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Playing in Lane stadium was about, was the crowd noise.
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The obviously the entrance just kind of that psychological
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element before the way the stadium was to noise to go to
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the opposing side line. Yeah, I mean we're missing that.
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Badly like across the board. So it's just And we're not the
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only theme. So I mean, you know, obviously
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every a lot of people are dealing with this.
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And so with the other hot, some other high-profile teams are
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dealing with the just as badly as we are in some cases.
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Shit, do Michigan. Last week.
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Michigan last week. I mean, we got Penn State this
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week. Who else lost one today?
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That that was at home. Hold on.
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I caliber team. There was a couple higher
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caliber team that lost today. We were not the only ones that's
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all. In that game they were down, you
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see? This.
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All right, your ham, it's tough to dictate terms.
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There's things that go on. Is there a game?
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And I don't care if it's next week.
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I don't care if it's two weeks from now on we play Pet.
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I don't care if it's next month. Is there a game where he goes
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bud? And just says, we're going to
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send six or seven every time I don't give a shit.
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I want you guys just to play without thinking, you know what?
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We get gas for some runs in front passes fucking because
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this isn't working. We today, we lost by a Thousand
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Cuts the pace Liberty play that. Good God Almighty, you could
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have served fucking Christmas dinner at the pace.
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They were playing today. Yep, they did.
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He say that. And all we had to do was have a
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couple fuck up drives and all of a sudden they're in the, in the
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driver's seat man. And that's exactly what
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happened. We had a couple drives where we
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went three and out. We had a couple drives where we
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settle for field goals, and that was the fucking difference in
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the game. It's very true and probably the
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biggest today. This is a actually got to hear
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this on the radio. We got a baseball.
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My wife took my oldest son over to the the grandparents a cuz I
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think sometimes me watching a she hadn't thought this all
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after this week thing. I hadn't had to sit a chance to
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sit and watch a game by myself and take notes in like three
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weeks because my mom was in town.
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One time, we had to go to the neighbors one time, and there
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were some other things going on with that.
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So today is kind of like, she, let me have him on and I'm
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sitting here and I pull up in the driveway and I'm listening
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to the laser and burn up on the radio and it's eight seconds
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left behind. Jalen Holston has just broke a
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12-yard gain to get inside the fiber.
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At the 4-yard line, there is a timeout left.
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There is eight seconds, and I'm sitting there.
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I'm sitting there Brian. I'm like you run ball.
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You, you, you just got a massive gain.
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This is the strength of your team that you have.
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Probably the best offensive line I near say since 2003.
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When Jake Grove in the, I probably agree with that.
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And we were on a goddamn fade, you played football, how long
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does it take to set up a fade route?
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Seconds. And I'm sitting here in the car
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listening and I'm like, why the fuck?
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Why? A couple times in this game.
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You're running it there. When we went to tied up over all
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manages. These key moments seem to always
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never work in our favor. And while we're at Key moments,
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not working in our favor, Let's go ahead and discuss.
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The end of the game. Oh,
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what do you want? You obviously had the fucking
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right, you did in there cuz you blocked the fucking kit.
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Number two, perfectly right now. In my opinion, the the best
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coach on this staff has been shy, best.
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Trust the best coach on your staff this season.
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Live recording, guys, this is what you get.
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If you guys are wondering what we stopped, her name, 50-yarder
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steam because there's nobody in the middle of the field.
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Yes. James Chavez has been the bus
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fucking coach on this team but by a pretty big measure in some
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cases and You didn't trust him in that situation.
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Yeah, I'm called a timeout. You supposedly?
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I guess whispered it and then just at the last second yelled
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it. I just how about this, trust
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your best coach to get the right guys, on the field and then
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built a kicker that's kicking a 59 + yard field goal.
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It's not it's not it's not rocket science man.
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And so, after that, Horror fit
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horrific situation, we're scrambling because we think we
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won the game, we forget the down and distance, and we put a
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prevent defense in like, we're expecting a Hail Mary.
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Now I'm down distance time o'clock.
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Yeah. It's been both.
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It's a combination of the two. Like you've got fourth and six.
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With eight seconds left and you've got your your Hail Mary
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team out there and they do exactly what you think they're
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going to do. They throw a quick out, get out
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of bounds, seven and a half yards.
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Now, all of a sudden 259 ER becomes a 51 and they roll out
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there fucking Rambo kicker and he Nails it.
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Nell down the pike and I'm surprised that no one was in his
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ear. To change that call.
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Because true apparently, no one else knew the situation, just
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like him. I just, it baffles me that.
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I mean, we deserve to lose based on those two calls those who
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called headlong, and that's after the clown show of coaching
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that we did up to that point. That's true, it's very true
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because you sit here and you sit at, and I'm sitting here, it's a
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59 yarder. I mean, think time that I'm
32:30
like, this is a six-year feel this guy's They're doing this by
32:34
chance. He kit has the kick of his life
32:39
of his life and he Nails it. I'll just sit there and said
32:44
cool because if he misses it you're sitting here and you've
32:46
got your going to because that's a 59-yard or that's from the 39.
32:51
You actually have a chance to run one play downfield.
32:56
Like, don't waste time out. Screw you didn't use it early
32:59
enough again. I mean, we did a good job.
33:12
That we actually today, stop them on third or fourth down
33:17
because those some bitches all damn day.
33:20
Brian. I mean, we're I'm you're looking
33:22
here and you're kind of like, we talked about it.
33:25
How big of a key it is that we've got to start getting
33:28
stuff. We didn't get any motherfuckin
33:30
stops today. We get none.
33:33
Basically Braun the team today. They were 10 of 17, on third and
33:37
fourth down. I'd like to be 10 of Nineteen,
33:42
we were 6 of 12. so, you sit here and it's just like, again,
33:49
the whole question is, Your point, the best coach.
33:53
He's going to put the best on the field.
33:55
If you look at the way that was set up, it was a perfect inside
33:58
a little move. The two outside guys did not
34:01
charge. They literally got up and
34:02
stopped because they're thought wonders.
34:04
If they block it, yes, we're there to make the play.
34:09
We're going to make and it was set up.
34:12
Well, they knew that from that distance that the trajectory of
34:17
the kick is going to be lower than normal.
34:20
So you need to get pressure up the It's not going to be
34:22
something where you're to have much success getting pressure on
34:25
the edge. You have a lot more higher
34:27
probability of blocking it by going up, the middle, Peru, it
34:31
was perfectly done and returned for a touchdown and then no, it
34:35
wasn't at that point. What little life I had after
34:41
watching that game got sucked. I was like we're losing this one
34:45
man and we deserve to your like regardless what happens?
34:49
I mean I was already at the point after When they, when we
34:53
had to give up a touchdown in order to stay in this game, I
34:56
was already at the point winter lose.
34:59
I'm railing about this thing. And then that hat, like, so,
35:04
It's just like I was already like past the point of this
35:09
being acceptable, you path. We're going to rescue like
35:13
there's no rest. Somebody pass that, but I would
35:16
have been happy that we won, but I wouldn't have been happy about
35:19
how we won, and I would have bitched about it to the end of
35:22
the Earth. And then that happened.
35:24
So we get to do double bitching here, which is not anything.
35:28
I want to do, but I feel like it's something we need to do.
35:31
It's both therapeutic because we get our feelings out.
35:34
And we get to actually address some of the things that are
35:41
going on that we think probably long-term need to be looked at.
35:46
It's true and Brawn you talk about long-term and we've been
35:50
chewing on Thursdays podcast that the pickup of Jaden Keller.
35:54
And and after what's happened this year we're four and three,
36:00
you know, North Carolina game we can ride off to bad losses.
36:04
You can't favor flirtation, you can't.
36:09
And you don't think right now, the big guy that it feels like
36:14
that we might lose. And it's kind of coming down
36:18
because he's getting more and more interest.
36:20
I don't know if this kid has grown or just his tape has
36:24
become more and more accessible. I mean can and Bun is starting
36:32
to pick up offers and more interest from some of your big
36:35
dogs. USC's, one of the big ones, you
36:42
don't think. Beat be honest, bro.
36:46
Let me ask you this. You are You know what?
36:52
Let's go big, you're linking Riley.
36:54
You love Cannon boom as a left tackle and he had offered him
36:58
yet but you see link, you see Cannon bun.
37:01
What he does. You see his body type?
37:04
He do good in Oklahoma probably right.
37:07
We think Lincoln Riley and their coaching staff is walking in and
37:12
him they're saying we might lose one or two games.
37:16
A year in the team that you have committed to is losing to
37:20
Liberty. I mean right now let's go a step
37:24
further than that, alright? Right now to G5 schools in our
37:28
own State can - recruit has mmm. True on top of that.
37:39
Recent history are two closest ACC division Rivals can -
37:44
recruit us. We ain't even see.
37:47
Yep. It's a - Barrel because right
37:55
now, the way we've looked is it's bad on the paper cuz when
38:02
you ask the kid wants to go play for four and three school,
38:05
that's losing the G5 schools that can't get their shit
38:09
together. That it comes look in depth on
38:12
offense that defensively. What the fuck are you trying to
38:16
do? Yeah, it's easy.
38:19
It's easy to - recruiters right now, so fucking easy and then
38:24
you talk about the Baylor flirtation and you know, some
38:27
people say now well he ain't gonna never get another Jeep.
38:30
Another P5 job if he gets fired from Tech.
38:34
Yeah, but kids can't see that kids.
38:38
See? Why don't, why was he thinking
38:40
about leaving all? She's thinking about leaving and
38:42
going down there. You know, it's different when
38:47
you're 18 because we've been A team of four and me and Brian
38:50
actually had some funny conversations because the night
38:54
looks like the lights are off. Now, Brian.
38:55
I think they just had a few people over.
38:57
Maybe they heard me following almost this close to being like
39:05
y'all out of town to Pops a little Rowdy over there.
39:13
Huh? Well I can hear them.
39:15
No, not Rowdy. Those kids couldn't be rowdy.
39:20
They're they're too nice, a kid, man.
39:22
They're not, they're not 17 and 18 years old where we were wild
39:29
for, can get out and do what a bunch of stupid shit.
39:33
Although I think about the way that's Robbie's boy, you see
39:38
that? Yeah.
39:39
For now, good for him live again, guys, live podcasting,
39:45
Cornell pal, 17, for Clemson, who was recruited.
39:48
Goodbye, Virginia Tech. Our friend, Robbie actually
39:57
coached him in high school. Robbie has met Frank.
40:00
He's met but he's met Robbie is probably met more D1,
40:05
Collegiate, football coaches than most people.
40:12
So he's the sort of guy I'm sure that has heard - recruiting
40:29
Those coaches are here. It's true.
40:34
It's true. It's true.
40:36
So you know, it's one of those things you just sit here and
40:42
it's just That's a touchdown. That's the first play, by the
40:48
way, I wish one day in my dreams, see my old NCAA games
40:56
when you're starting quarterback goes down.
40:58
Who's the 99? The 98 comes in to replace him,
41:08
man. I mean, you used to You can
41:15
pretty much load up attribute points across the board, but
41:19
they finally said, hey, we're not going to be able to allow
41:21
that because, you know, well guess what?
41:24
They need. If they come from, you can't
41:26
change your fucking format because clearly, if you're a
41:29
elite level School, the number one quarterback, even with
41:32
someone in front of him for a couple of years will likely I
41:35
yeah, I'm it there. That church money, man.
41:42
Who's that always talks about the church money?
41:47
Yeah. Okey pharmacist.
41:51
Shout-out hokey, pharmacist for Hunger.
41:53
Funny tweets about the church. Fundage for the Clemson Tigers.
42:01
But it's true. It's damn.
42:03
True actually should be the running back for my 49ers and
42:12
all the stuff he does. Good folks.
42:15
If y'all can y'all not tell that we were few drinks deep I don't
42:19
know I don't I feel the shot for we started tonight just I
42:23
haven't drank all day because in baseball come in and watch the
42:26
game, I have to do some things afterwards.
42:28
I have to go up in my attic where 75 degree day in the Attic
42:32
turns. 95 you doubted me more face for certain things.
42:39
Yeah, I started with beer during the game.
42:42
We did records mere dinner breakfast for dinner, had eggs,
42:47
bacon and sausage, gravy and biscuits and have had some
42:54
mimosas with dinner. It back to beer.
43:01
Lord Rama is like you were on a date.
43:04
I'm going to assume right? Hold on.
43:06
Let me assume you do not smash beers from 12 till dinner.
43:11
Now, I wasn't pounding today. This is more of a II things
43:16
going on. So I was drinking beer while I
43:17
was doing stuff. Watching the game throwing stuff
43:20
at the television, you know, we Simpson, this is an old-school
43:24
Because by the way, believe it or not, in Brian, and I younger
43:28
days if you had told me, well, Brian started.
43:31
Making beer at lunch, he drank beers all afternoon and then he
43:34
started pounding, mimosas at dinnertime.
43:36
And then he switched back to beard.
43:38
Be like and yo what y'all should grow is one time.
43:46
Well, story of remember that time me your roommate and Dom.
43:52
Yep. And the cooler.
43:56
Oh yeah. 2002, I think it was three.
44:06
I think it was 3, 2003. Basically you're playing those
44:10
years because I'm not at Longwood yet.
44:12
Now we can do. Here's for y'all as Warfarin
44:15
back home. Dog in a little while.
44:16
But basically, we're like, 14 can make some fucking jungle
44:22
juice. We've got a cooler here.
44:25
Brian has obviously someone 21 on his team and his roommates a
44:29
here, let's do this shit. Shout out Jaybird.
44:33
He was, he was my go-to. Fast motherfucker to right?
44:42
Oh yeah. But anyway, we decided to go
44:45
make a damn vat of jungle juice in a fucking cooler and take it
44:51
over to Brian's athletic house. I don't still try to remember,
44:56
because we're sitting in your room for what, probably two
44:59
hours. Just fucking pounding beers.
45:02
Here's our Theory. So we were like, you know, we
45:08
already have this liquor. We could go to the party, wait
45:14
in line for drinks, or we could bring this cooler stash it
45:18
somewhere and just go and refill at our Leisure.
45:24
So we said yes we will carry this cooler halfway across
45:28
campus in order to have unlimited refills for the night.
45:33
Pretty much But getting an across can this because it was
45:37
like a 22 mile hike. We had lived across the football
45:41
field and into frat Circle which It can be a nightmare and then
45:50
up the hill to where the TAC house was.
45:52
So, ultimately, ultimately, we got, it was an interesting night
46:00
and we drank all of it. She just about all of it.
46:04
I'm pretty sure there wasn't a whole lot.
46:17
Well, I'm sure we gave some girls and we're trying to get
46:22
some girls and a fifth and then a mix in this massive.
46:32
A it's like we're having to walk a who I know domme had a carry
46:37
it because being you set we meet you.
46:39
And Brian were very intelligent about that we sat there and
46:42
Saddam you gotta carry this shit across campus and because Damas,
46:47
21. Because if you can call it what
46:49
they can't see Jack shit. We get caught with it.
46:53
Well, you and brown wouldn't go to jail our good because I
46:58
didn't go to Cindy was a different Beast though, back
47:02
then, like, it was so hit-or-miss.
47:05
Like sometimes, like, especially during like, Greek week or
47:08
something. Oh, good wolf across campus, and
47:12
it was just a free-for-all like whatever you did, you know.
47:17
It is what it is but on random nights, like they would be like
47:21
yeah, you got to pour it out. And after we spent that much
47:26
money in that much time and we're hauling it halfway across
47:28
campus. We were not risking it.
47:31
Getting poured out know, we weren't a lot of time.
47:42
This is going to be labeled reminiscing.
47:45
Yeah. Again for y'all who might be
47:47
first-time listener for y'all? Listen.
47:50
Me and Brad Siegel have known each other.
47:52
Since middle school. I'm 37 Brian's 36.
47:57
We've known each other more than 20 years.
48:00
This is just one of many stories.
48:04
So, and we've done some dumb shit around each other.
48:08
Some things will not be mentioned.
48:12
Maybe our wives are the only other people that know it if
48:15
they weren't there. That's probably it.
48:18
So, anyway, run again, - recruiting is going to be alive
48:23
for us and there's gonna be some guys like Cannon Boonies.
48:26
Starting to get the interest, probably DJ Harvey more than a
48:30
few other. Guys, are going to get that push
48:33
from potentially bigger schools. And you know, we sit here and we
48:39
know the coaching staff Is what it is in Brian.
48:45
Let me ask this. Your Justin Fuente, just some
48:53
lives out. Next to the golf course.
48:55
We know that we've heard that before, he's going to wake up
48:57
tomorrow morning. You got to go in Sunday's a prep
49:00
day for them. Obviously.
49:03
He's going to, I can't remember exactly where it is, but I'm
49:05
going to assume for 60 60 and he's turning to merryman.
49:09
He's on parking at parking lot where you can see Lane Stadium.
49:12
She score Boise drill field, you see all that fun stuff, and he's
49:19
a long to his office and he's on that door up.
49:21
He's going to sit down. It's probably about 6 or 7 a.m.
49:27
Brian your him. What do you do tomorrow?
49:30
Because unless he's an idiot, what you might be?
49:36
He know. Yeah, yeah.
49:39
I don't think he's an idiot in the terms of reading people, but
49:43
I think he knows that this loss has probably pissed.
49:47
The fan base off his lot and potentially lost his team, a
49:50
little bit, a little bit. Is controlled by someone else
50:04
but if I'm him, I am evaluating myself and my staff to a degree
50:11
that I've never done this far in my career.
50:15
I'm taking a long hard look at situational play calling.
50:21
I'm taking a long hard look at the preparation that we have.
50:25
And why we are consistently having poor starts against
50:29
inferior competition and then having to play either from
50:32
behind or neck and neck with these companies with these
50:36
opponents. I'm looking at why we don't have
50:42
the energy on the sidelines and who in the coaching staff?
50:45
Laugh. Can bring some more juice.
50:50
I'm looking at who we have in the booth and who we have on the
50:53
sideline. Okay.
50:56
I'm taking a look at changing play called duties on offense.
51:02
Well, bond me, and you have been calling it for a while now,
51:07
we're not do this. It's not a shocking thing.
51:10
Because today, it's the same, it's the same All right, Mom,
51:15
it's the same shit. It's not the entire game.
51:18
It's I to say this, Believe It or Not Berlin from bronstein
51:22
spring break, or Nielsen is actually want to fucking Step
51:25
Up. Or Scott loffler or my cocaine
51:29
Hood. But called please back in and
51:32
y'all, I'm almost tempted, like Brian by the way.
51:35
You know, I had a shot before hand looking like over there and
51:40
just about nine again, but it is a step up what it is now.
51:50
And I think maybe if we Maybe if we weren't for Virginia Tech
51:55
fans and we didn't pay attention, we wouldn't notice
51:58
it. What it is now is the
52:00
situational terrible ass calls today, and we mentioned it
52:05
earlier was at the end of the first half, You don't run a
52:12
fade, you run the fucking ball because that is your strength.
52:17
If they stop you grate it angled take eight fucking seconds, run
52:21
a ball, you call your damn time at you got to put you feel, you
52:23
know. But here's the thing about that,
52:25
you get in the end zone, you're up 10 in the momentum is
52:27
completely shifted. Their down two scores, not one
52:31
the other one and Brian, this pissed you off and you're
52:35
sitting here and you're telling me unless you're fucking going
52:39
for it with them. Fuck, are you doing calling
52:41
that? Play.
52:43
Are you talking about the quarterback lead on third down
52:45
and six? Yes.
52:48
The one we just got. Yeah so if you were not going to
52:53
go for it on fourth down, you do not call that play. in that
52:59
situation, because They knew the defense was hurting at this
53:07
point. They knew it.
53:10
They had consistently not been able to get off the field unless
53:12
they were forcing attorney. Yep.
53:15
So you've got to have in your mind that you need to get a
53:20
first down. Yep.
53:23
And if you want to get a first down, its third down, and six,
53:27
you got a call to play to get you the first down.
53:29
And if you don't call a play, that's going to definitely get
53:31
your first down, you've got to have in your mind that you're
53:33
going for it on Fourth. and, You know, we've talked about it in a
53:41
lot of the games this year, we consistently leave points on the
53:46
field when we're having good drives.
53:50
Yep. And we did it again.
53:53
Today, between the drive just before half the drive were
53:58
discussing here and then you couple that with opening the
54:04
game and then opening the second half with Just execution flaws
54:11
in a couple calls here or there that were questionable that gave
54:16
that offense the ball back really quickly so they could
54:20
score. I mean, you can put those things
54:24
together. It's problematic, man, it's
54:26
problematic. It's been a family problem at
54:28
it, you know, the other piece is especially with the, you know,
54:34
the opening drive. And it's again, it's why it's a
54:36
step up from where we were the Play on like third and 7 of that
54:41
open and drivers right. Play, that was a poor excuse it
54:45
wasn't, it was a poor executed play, because if he hits cable
54:49
Smith, you looked at that. Play, after I told you, we
54:52
talked about it. If he had set play, the Caleb,
54:54
Caleb has 20 yards because that's always vacated.
54:57
Because we essentially, we essentially ran off to safety
55:01
when out the corner from that spot.
55:04
But the issue is, it's always the worst times.
55:07
And somebody say, well, if it's the worst times and you're not
55:10
in a good position when the game anyway, well for years upon
55:14
years, we saw it times where it was just bad play calling all
55:17
around. So again, we put the Step Up
55:20
where it's probably 85% the plays are okay.
55:24
But what we see and again, what we see is fans and what you see
55:28
is a person who played is the plays that are W terrible calls
55:34
are at the worst times if people called her, what, at the at the
55:38
opportune times, then it's okay. Sometimes you sometimes the best
55:43
offensive play callers. You see in the country and on
55:47
the NFL, they'll do that shit. Just to make you make.
55:50
You think about it, right? Like, you got to think about
55:52
this because I'll do that when y'all are thinking thinking
55:55
about it, no doubt man. And I think another thing that
55:59
we need to look at is you know, we talk about the situational
56:06
awareness feel like is always lacking but you know, sometimes
56:12
I just don't feel like we have a plan. and that we like, for
56:21
example, first play of the game is a jet Suite.
56:26
I still like that that right there.
56:29
Just felt like Okay, this is what we're doing this, this is
56:35
what we're doing. They just March the fucking ball
56:37
down the field and scored on us. And your first call is a jet
56:42
Suite. How many Curtis if, if there's
56:49
two plays that as a defensive coordinator for Liberty, if I'm
56:54
sitting making a game plan of say, what, what should I need to
56:58
take away? Or what does this all offensive
57:01
tendency? Give me two plays that would
57:05
that they would think to take away now.
57:06
I'm not many. It's outside Zone yet, please.
57:10
Okay. So either.
57:12
Hey, listen, hey, that would sit out there and
57:29
say, you know what I'm gonna do We're going to run Jet Sweep
57:33
fake. And you what I'm going to do,
57:36
I'm either going to run a quarterback.
57:37
Sweep on the opposite side or or if you're really fucking
57:41
creative you're really fun. Creative.
57:44
We're gonna run this. Fake Jets will eat tendons.
57:46
Go wrong. Like he's going to run.
57:48
I'm going to let the left the tight end and the left tackle
57:51
sweep out. I'm gonna throw a damn screen
57:54
and there's not going to be anybody on that side of the
57:56
field. Yep.
57:59
Right. And I mean we we ran our
58:01
quarterback to death today and that bothered me too just
58:05
because it's effective, like he's the quarterback, the entire
58:10
offense runs through him, he can't just keep slamming him
58:15
into the defense, the entire game and what bothers me more
58:19
than that is that it's almost like our play.
58:22
Caller does not trust Blackshear or Holston to get Yards for them
58:29
and no point. Did our offensive coordinator?
58:32
Do anything to get them comfortable in the game plan
58:35
today. It was all well, we don't have
58:38
Herbert a couple early plays to our running backs were - despite
58:44
one of them being on the coordinator for calling a
58:47
dumbass reverse when we didn't. We weren't really at that point
58:54
yet we're that type of play call should come into play and then
58:58
it gets blown up and then you completely go away from your
59:02
running backs until the drive just before half-time and Then
59:06
you come out in the second half and he really kind of go away
59:09
from them more or less. Again, I think we had one or two
59:12
drives where we finally got Blackshear involved getting some
59:16
carries there in the second half but It was kind of too little,
59:20
too late, like the running backs never got in Rhythm.
59:23
And the quarterbacks, the quarterback ended up having to
59:27
put the entire damn offense on his back.
59:30
And he did if he did, did he And it seems like we've seen him
1:00:32
three yards from him and make a move and get 15 yards.
1:00:36
So you know, I think that's just one of those weird things Brian
1:00:42
but I won't say this run. You talk about what and I bring
1:00:45
I want the question to you. What does he do?
1:00:48
Tomorrow morning get tomorrow morning when I went that long
1:00:52
yet? Yeah, not yet.
1:00:55
Yeah, but I cracked another beer.
1:00:56
If you didn't hear it all I've walked over to the beer fridge
1:00:59
there cuz I'm going to eventually probably be smashed
1:01:02
when I go upstairs and my wife's been probably kick me or
1:01:04
something or little ones in the wake up at 4 and I'm not going
1:01:07
to be able to go back to Leaps, I'm just going to wake up drunk.
1:01:11
Hey everybody.
1:01:28
I don't think so. We did so well for so many years
1:01:42
into our a modernized defense that can help protect the face
1:01:47
mask that can help prevent huge scores quickly.
1:01:52
It's going to be things like that, that are going to happen.
1:01:56
So, you know, I can't put any of the blame on those guys, but
1:02:03
then I said, Entire staff and say you've got
1:02:34
to do this. so if your if your wit are you looking at making a
1:02:42
change, Oh, head coaching laws? Yes.
1:02:49
Oh god. Well, bra know I said it a
1:02:54
couple weeks ago that my, my confidence in the head coach had
1:02:57
faded and it's still there. The confidence is still faded.
1:03:05
and I think what it's even more after today, is the light at the
1:03:08
end of the tunnel where in 2016 We legitimately felt like this
1:03:16
is we got the right guy, we've got the right system.
1:03:20
We're going to compete with Clemson and a few years.
1:03:22
Once everybody's here. 2017, it didn't change.
1:03:27
It didn't. Yeah, and even in 2018, with all
1:03:31
that stuff, while we're playing a lot of young guys, last year,
1:03:34
it came down, but then Henning, kind of brought it back up.
1:03:38
But after that two losses this year is like Honestly, I said, I
1:03:51
feel like God's telling us he's not the right person.
1:03:59
Yeah. I mean,
1:04:16
Consistently playing for ACC championships.
1:04:20
I'm not saying we have to be Clemson, I'd like to get there
1:04:22
but I'm not saying we have to be that but we need to be at least
1:04:26
what we were kind of in the Logan Thomas years.
1:04:30
Okay specially especially the David Wilson Logan Thomas you,
1:04:35
okay. We need to be there if we're not
1:04:39
there consistently to me. That's a problem.
1:04:43
And now I don't think necessarily it's one thing.
1:04:46
Or another. But, you know, everyone in the
1:04:49
offseason and everyone especially with what the 2020
1:04:52
class looked like was bitching about the recruiting.
1:04:56
I don't like the recruiting either, but I would much rather
1:04:59
have bad recruiting than the shit that we had that happen
1:05:02
today. Yep.
1:05:04
And I don't necessarily think one is byproduct of the other
1:05:06
because regardless of the recruiting we had better overall
1:05:10
players on the field today and we did not play them in a
1:05:14
whether its execution by the players.
1:05:16
Hers, or the coach is putting them in place.
1:05:18
We did not play well enough to win that game.
1:05:20
We didn't know and that's a coaching thing and that's a
1:05:22
coaching piece that has nothing to do with recruiting notes.
1:05:25
Oh, It's not just the recruiting that were pointing the finger at
1:05:29
here. I can live with a top 30 class.
1:05:34
If we're over playing that hand, you can't live with this shit.
1:05:38
When you're when you're putting guys in horrible parking
1:05:41
positions making guys do things they shouldn't fucking do.
1:05:45
Yeah. And then again there's no
1:05:48
there's no excuse for a team with the talent that we have to
1:05:52
lose to Liberty. And to lose to wake this season.
1:05:55
It's true. Now that's that's, that's where
1:05:58
I'm at. So, where I'm at is that If
1:06:02
someone said, if someone is looking at moving on from when I
1:06:06
would say, I'm fine with that but but I'll throw with caveat
1:06:11
in there. Problems are not just going to
1:06:15
go away with the new head coach. Nope.
1:06:17
Because for the last few months. Yes.
1:06:36
Where our expectations are in where our investments.
1:06:39
So, I'm with everyone that if everyone wants to fire Fuente
1:06:45
and that's what went back up, decides to go with thumbs up,
1:06:49
okay. But I need to see a plan both
1:06:54
from who you going to hire how much you going to pay them?
1:06:57
Are you going to pay enough to actually get a higher?
1:07:00
That is worthy to change coaches for and once you get them in the
1:07:05
damn building, are you going to invest in the program enough for
1:07:08
them to have success? I think that's a reasonable
1:07:12
request if you're going to make the choice to fire a coach
1:07:15
because if you don't have a damn game plan of what happens next,
1:07:20
I mean, we have to recalibrate our expectations, we might as
1:07:23
well, let him go out. So it's crazy but no bra.
1:07:57
No, I'm with you. he was, but
1:09:36
students have said, But still great.
1:10:34
Fucking that's what college football, I'm stopping right
1:10:37
now. That's what college football's
1:10:39
about that. That for folks, it is 11:44 on
1:10:46
the East Coast. That is what college football is
1:10:49
all about. You rush to feel when you take
1:10:52
down number one, you rush it. You gotta love the energy, man.
1:10:59
You gotta love it. There is no emotion, like that.
1:11:17
Professional football. There's no prevention like that.
1:11:20
In just about any for both, the exception of March Madness.
1:11:23
There's not. If and we have been in that
1:11:26
dude, in Leeds, we have been in that, that's what makes this
1:11:34
sport in my opinion. And if you're a professional
1:11:37
football 101 because a fantasy because of all that, that's
1:11:40
fine. You're seeing the elite of the
1:11:42
elite. Do a sport that's great, but
1:11:46
that right there and you're seeing it right now, the green,
1:11:49
right? The Green Way up.
1:11:52
Oh yeah you don't see that. Regardless of
1:13:08
how you feel about this years ago and I can't find the clip.
1:13:13
And I wish you could be out there by the way, give him
1:13:15
credit. I'm seeing more masking that
1:13:17
crowd than expected. The hedges.
1:14:14
When we started this podcast, it's a Virginia Tech podcast.
1:14:18
It is a college football podcast.
1:14:19
So that's why we do different games every week.
1:14:25
And if you set in any of those stadiums, and I've got a list.
1:14:28
The cocktail party was today. I want to get in that at least
1:14:31
one time before I die, because apparently literally die because
1:14:37
it's nuts and they don't break out in fist fights.
1:14:41
But that's what it's all about in.
1:14:44
I'm ready for next year and hopefully this shit gets over
1:14:46
with me and you can get into Lane stadium in Jump.
1:14:51
Umph. And uh, okay.
1:14:54
IES Hokies and maybe just maybe we can stick it in.
1:15:02
Well, I'm not going to come here and
1:15:38
you know what I'm going to do, I'm going to go on social media
1:15:41
and say I wanted to come Virginia Tech because the
1:15:44
tradition of what Frank Beamer built and what Bud Foster and
1:15:49
that staff built those staffs in the 90s 9019.
1:15:53
I'm going to come here. But you know what, he wouldn't
1:15:55
do anything to invest in football.
1:15:58
That's what I do if I want it. Now brought on you said
1:16:02
summerlee gonna have some have some big dick.
1:16:04
Energy to pull that off is only probably a handful of guys that
1:16:09
I think would want the job that can pull some shit off like
1:16:12
that. It'll be interesting to see if
1:16:14
we can Sweeten, the pot enough booth on the direct compensation
1:16:22
side and on the program investment side to make them
1:16:28
see. Virginia Tech is the place they
1:16:31
want to be. Obviously there's some alums
1:16:36
that I think would potentially Look at it with a little softer
1:16:42
side, especially from the direct compensation perspective.
1:16:47
It's true. But I don't know if they will
1:16:51
have the chops to pull off the program investment side of the
1:16:57
coin there. Again, they might be able to,
1:17:02
it's just I feel like we need to have that level of investment in
1:17:07
Pride regardless of having a coach coming come in and say
1:17:11
this is what I need because at this point they should fucking
1:17:15
know and honestly Fuentes told them he's not doing a good
1:17:20
enough job of probably pushing it but I think he's certainly
1:17:25
told them. I need this to be as successful
1:17:27
as you want us to be and I think honestly he does because he's
1:17:33
not a natural. Router.
1:17:35
And he's not a guy that is driving.
1:17:38
A lot of direct donations based on some of the product we put
1:17:43
out the last few years so he does need All the help he can
1:17:50
get on the financial front, whether it's, you know, new
1:17:54
facilities, whether it's actual recruiting dollars, whether it's
1:17:58
more money, for his staff, to build that out.
1:18:01
I still can't get over the like, we couldn't come up 100K to get
1:18:06
Odom, like that, that's still blowing my mind.
1:18:12
So. You know, at some point, we need
1:18:17
to address everything. I mean I know I definitely think
1:18:23
coaching is a problem, but coaching is also bearing the
1:18:28
brunt of the scapegoat here as well.
1:18:32
So until we change a lot of things about the program, I
1:18:35
don't think that we're going to see a significant bump in an
1:18:40
output on the field. That mean, that's just, that's
1:18:44
just how I see it again. But I want to see a plan that
1:18:52
goes beyond, just bringing new guy in, because I need to hear
1:18:57
who that guy is going to be and what the plan is to invest in
1:19:00
the program. So that person has success until
1:19:03
I hear that I'm still like, okay well cool.
1:19:07
But you know, if we hire another guy and he ends up going 6 and 7
1:19:12
are going, are we going to be doing this again in?
1:19:13
Years and that's what you don't want to get into.
1:19:17
And I think maybe the thing about Justin's olympe that
1:19:19
happened in 2016. If you had walked in and seeing
1:19:22
what was going on behind the scenes, it should have been day
1:19:26
one pushing, we need these new positions but he I don't think
1:19:30
he's that type of guy. I think he felt like well
1:19:32
they'll see it, they'll see it right?
1:19:34
They'll see that. We're going to probably we're
1:19:36
going to hit some hard times and we did and now but it's more on
1:19:42
you as a leader. Or as the coach of the football
1:19:45
team, it's like we need x y z to get there.
1:19:48
Yeah, we had a great first season because we have some
1:19:50
really good players here, but we need X Y & Z to stay here.
1:19:53
And for him, unfortunately, it took until 2020 January of 2020
1:19:58
for all this to happen. Chaos breaks out.
1:20:00
You don't get to put the full plan in place, and then somebody
1:20:07
Was it fish? The be fish that made the point
1:20:09
that he looked up that in 15 years ago we had one of the
1:20:14
highest paid staffs in the country.
1:20:15
And today, we're like 37. I feel like you put that out
1:20:18
there a few weeks ago. Yeah, I believe so.
1:20:21
I think you're right. Shut up and Fish on Twitter
1:20:24
there. Yeah, he talked about it and
1:20:28
let's go back and do a little history lesson here.
1:20:31
We've talked about it before with Frank, Beamer having a
1:20:35
flirtation with UNC Yeah, I'm coming back and saying, you
1:20:40
know, if if you're going to keep me, we need to do this and the
1:20:43
big part of that was paying. But Foster paying the assistants
1:20:48
essentially being having one of the highest if not be highs
1:20:53
assistant staff in the country, you know, we move from that in
1:20:59
the mid-2000s to now, you know, playing catch-up with like mid s
1:21:04
teams and we We are surprised that the output on the field,
1:21:11
has dipped relative to, you know, where those Staffing in
1:21:18
and recruiting dollars are being spent.
1:21:20
So, like I said, I love the energy that people have in terms
1:21:24
of the passion about, you know, this is unacceptable.
1:21:28
I'm right there with you. This is unacceptable, what
1:21:30
happened today is unacceptable and it is a coaching problem and
1:21:33
I'm 100% with that. But I think it's naive to think
1:21:38
that you can just hire any coach and that's going to change.
1:21:42
The situation is true, then it's true and where we were 20 plus
1:21:47
years ago, was a different era of college football, and it was
1:21:51
the money was different. And then when we were 15 years
1:21:53
ago, the money is different. College football has become a
1:21:58
corporation and if you don't want it like a corporation, you
1:22:01
will essentially fail. And so far we haven't ran it
1:22:07
like Corporation in the last 10 years.
1:22:09
Where I hate to say this may be because of dado came from
1:22:12
corporate real estate. He saw it that's how he started
1:22:16
running it when he had hired 10 years ago and that's why they
1:22:19
have been so successful and it's not going to go back, folks,
1:22:22
you're not going to turn the clock back and it's not going to
1:22:24
be like that anymore. Those dance like there's a
1:22:28
bubble, man. He's just waiting out the
1:22:31
bubble. Do you know what that means?
1:22:58
Coming down for these TV contract because it's even more
1:23:01
insane, right? Yep.
1:23:05
I mean it's still going to be more insane like last weekend.
1:23:14
Are you ready to hear this run? Yep.
1:23:18
Clemson pulled Clemson. BC on ABC.
1:24:39
But their biggest town in terms of draw wasn't even playing in
1:24:43
the game and they pull those numbers against a middling ACC
1:24:47
opponent. So, guess what I'm saying and
1:24:50
there's no telling what the game that we just watch
1:25:03
the bubbles burst and whether you want to fire just In Valente
1:25:09
tonight, which if somebody told me and you today, that's going
1:25:12
to happen. We'd be like, okay, but who's
1:25:13
the next guy? What spleen that should be the
1:25:16
question? Not too much, who gets fired,
1:25:17
but what's the plan? Because it's a lot of money to
1:25:20
buy him out. Let me 50 Min,
1:25:37
but let me see what the plan is. As long as long as
1:25:53
someone's going to come in with the salaries that were offering
1:25:56
in all of a sudden it's going to be sunshine and Roses.
1:26:00
So I'm definitely still tempering my expectations if
1:26:04
that's the case. Yeah, it's it.
1:26:30
You can't just have the right guy.
1:26:32
It can't. If that happens, it has to be
1:26:35
fucking perfect and that's not going to happen more than
1:26:38
likely. It's got to be a long-term plan
1:26:42
to say we're we were here. Now we're here.
1:26:45
We're going to get back to hear if you're hiring you back to
1:26:47
here. And if that happens, yes, it's
1:26:50
potential to get back to where we were.
1:26:52
Yeah. you know, we're paying your top
1:27:25
40 money and we have top 20 expectations.
1:27:31
There's not a lot of and and probably in terms of investment
1:27:35
in the whole program. Maybe even top 50, there's not a
1:27:39
whole lot of coaches that are going to see that and say, I
1:27:43
want to come here all the benefits of blacks Burger worth
1:27:47
the negatives that are. So I feel like we definitely if
1:27:56
we keep seeing this like a pretty much this point unless we
1:27:59
went out, you know, I think this year has been subpar
1:28:04
unacceptable in terms of of where I thought we would be.
1:28:08
And what I thought we would do and where we would end up is the
1:28:11
only thing that saves this year is because if went still feels
1:28:19
confident, as I cannot think of the guy's name who was under
1:28:23
Frank back in. We got lost a job in 95 or he
1:28:27
couldn't 95. If he doesn't come out and say I
1:28:31
think this is more covid than anything.
1:28:33
I think it was so funky. I think it was so fucked up that
1:28:38
nobody could do anything good. We had we didn't have our
1:28:41
Stadium here. We couldn't try one more Mille,
1:28:44
we can do anything. Everything was so far off
1:28:47
normal, I'm giving one of the year and, you know, if he comes
1:28:51
and says it will probably be Okay but I think our issue will
1:28:57
become if next year stadiums full and you know where Aidan
1:29:05
for again people me like there's no difference man.
1:29:09
Yeah well maybe next year we're talking about probably know
1:29:11
Herbert true talking about probably know you we're talking
1:29:24
about. Who else do you think is going
1:29:30
to go? Is it rolling might lie?
1:29:34
But the way Rooks played this year, his stocks not going to be
1:29:38
as far up because even more. So this year for Brooke It
1:29:42
showed in, probably more of an NFL based system.
1:29:45
He's not strong and that hurts him.
1:29:50
So he might say, no, I'm going to come back cuz I think I can
1:29:52
do better in this system next year and screw it.
1:29:55
If I do, I'll get my masters in something in be further
1:29:58
educated. Yeah, so yeah, so that's what
1:30:02
you're looking at right now. So I don't know if we're As good
1:30:08
or better next year than this year but if we're still losing
1:30:12
these dumb shit ass games like this today.
1:30:16
Yep I mean it's going to be a bad look and it's going to be
1:30:21
something that if it's not addressed this year it's going
1:30:24
to be addressed next year. And like I said, every year that
1:30:27
we end up putting out Aiden For Worse.
1:30:31
You know Blacksburg lose a little loses a little bit more
1:30:35
luster man and move on. There's only so long we can live
1:30:39
off of. Mike Vick Frank Beamer Bud,
1:30:44
Foster and Enter Sandman, we've only so long, we can love all
1:30:48
from 95 to twenty ten or Twenty. Yeah, because right now, I mean,
1:30:54
you know, we're still recruiting off of what we were then and not
1:30:58
what we are now. And even every in every year
1:31:03
that we are further away from that that gets that that's
1:31:07
that's selling point is a little bit weaker.
1:31:10
You know what? Makes me sad though, because we
1:31:12
talked about a couple weeks ago, what we're selling a long
1:31:15
offense, is so Superior to what it was 10 15 years ago.
1:31:21
And that's what makes me sad. And you know, if you tell me
1:31:28
tomorrow, they're firing him, you know, you got to do what you
1:31:31
got to do. I like so small.
1:31:35
So yeah, Brian, anything broken, other than Notre Dame.
1:31:39
Upsets number one, Clemson, 4740 that we were watching here.
1:31:44
And if you folks are wondering, that's why I want on my tangent.
1:31:48
Those kids rated the field, they rated the film.
1:31:51
Field. We talked about that and we
1:31:53
talked about just how this the reason you guys are listening to
1:31:57
us talk and we think that we pay money to go to the games.
1:32:06
The reason that we pay money to go to the tailgates, I mean this
1:32:08
shit makes you feel good. Even, even even when you lose
1:32:13
when talking about it still kind of makes you feel good.
1:32:17
So You know, for what it's worth, you know, that that's
1:32:22
something that hopefully we can move back towards once once we
1:32:25
figure things out with this covid thing guys.
1:32:27
So because that's definitely missed this year.
1:32:30
Like I said, win or lose. So yeah, I think that's going.
1:32:35
That's all I really got to say about it, buddy.
1:32:37
Let's wrap it up, man. I'll take care of this episode
1:32:41
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