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25W: Bobby's Geek Out Interviews of the Year (Part 2: Logan Ryan & LaVar Arrington) · 25 Whistles with Bobby Bones (A Football Podcast)

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  Speaker 3: So this is an episode we did before Christmas to
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  Speaker 3: put up because it's got some really good interviews.
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  Speaker 2: But because this is not live or even close to
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  Speaker 2: when the game, we're gonna lie about it. I want
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  Speaker 2: you to give me two options.
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  Speaker 3: One, Wow, cowboys, can you believe it got to playing
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  Speaker 3: so well? Got a great shot super Bowl? And then
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  Speaker 3: then to the other version of that. Okay, so uh
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  Speaker 3: and who knows me? Leave them both in. Go on,
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  Speaker 3: it's to be funny, all right, Let's do the version
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  Speaker 3: where the cowboy. They're really doing well?
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  Speaker 1: Right and go Wow, guys, I mean, dude, who would
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  Speaker 1: have thought this is so unbelievable?
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  Speaker 2: We went in, we beat the Bills, I mean, we
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  Speaker 2: beat the Dolphins, and then we beat freaking Detroit. Guys,
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  Speaker 2: we're on a roll. I don't I think we're unstoppable.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna win Super Bowl. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know about winning all three of those
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  Speaker 3: games if that's actually accurate or not.
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  Speaker 2: But did you see that, dude? And Dak's six touchdowns
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  Speaker 2: in one game? Wow? Unbelievable. Is he gonna win the MVP?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 2: Go cowboys?
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  Speaker 4: Cowboys?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 1: The opposite And I don't know, dude, Like, how do
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  Speaker 1: they blow it like this?
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  Speaker 2: Don't cry, No, it's just gonna get mad. Fun out
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  Speaker 2: for crying.
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  Speaker 1: Man, it's just hard man, Like they had such a
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  Speaker 1: good thing going and then they're just gonna blow it.
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  Speaker 2: You know what typical cowboys? Fsh I was gonna ask
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  Speaker 2: if you somewhat expected it. It's kind of what the
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  Speaker 2: cowboys do.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry. I'm also sad because I had a
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  Speaker 2: future and had Dak for MVP? Is that happening? I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, do you think it's happening. I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: I played in three games he got it. Not doing
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  Speaker 2: that one. I'm not doing that version. That's dark man. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? All right?
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  Speaker 3: Cut, all right, here we are, so we'll talk to
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  Speaker 3: to two times Super Bowl champion Logan Ryan and former
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  Speaker 3: second overall pick from the two thousand NFL draft, LeVar Arrington.
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  Speaker 3: Logan Ryan was coming out with this one show and
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  Speaker 3: he messaged me early early, early in the morning, was like,
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  Speaker 3: I just got picked up by the forty nine ers.
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  Speaker 2: Can we do it next day? I was like, dud don't,
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  Speaker 2: don't do it all you don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, dude, we're good. Go play for the
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  Speaker 3: forty nine ers. It's pretty cool. So h He won
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  Speaker 3: two Super Bowls with Patriots in fourteen and sixteen. He
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  Speaker 3: gave us some great recruiting insight. Good dude, love to
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  Speaker 3: having him. Here is Logan Ryan?
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  Speaker 2: Logan, where do you live?
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  Speaker 4: Like?
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  Speaker 2: What town I live in? Currently in Tampa, Florida.
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  Speaker 3: So what's up in Nashville? Like we're lucky to have
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  Speaker 3: first of all super pumpture here. Yeah, but like, what's here?
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  Speaker 2: You're here. Yeah, that's true. I can agree with that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, I was hosting Good Morning Football
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  Speaker 5: and had a lot of fun doing that and got
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  Speaker 5: some good, good feedback, and my publicist was kind of
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  Speaker 5: working the phones a little bit and opportunity coming to
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  Speaker 5: your podcast, which was awesome. And I used to live here,
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  Speaker 5: so I lived here for three four years. My content
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  Speaker 5: guys out here. I got a lot of friends on
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  Speaker 5: the Titans. So so I'm doing some more media while
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  Speaker 5: my name is hot and hanging out with you.
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  Speaker 2: Is that the goal?
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  Speaker 3: Because I know you probably want to Are you a
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  Speaker 3: free agent? Yeah, you're waiting for the call, or you like,
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  Speaker 3: screw the call I'm getting. I'm doing media because it's
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  Speaker 3: awesome either or you know, I'm still training six days
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  Speaker 3: a week. But I'm taking advantage of the opportunities. And
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  Speaker 3: I've always you know, when I was a Tennessee Titans,
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  Speaker 3: I hosted a Logan Ryan Show, where I hosted a
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  Speaker 3: radio show for two three years. I hosted a show
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  Speaker 3: in New York, hosted the NFL Player podcast. I've always
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  Speaker 3: been like the speech before the locker room guy.
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  Speaker 2: Were you always that guy in high school too? Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: I was a quarterback growing up like and growing up
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  Speaker 5: my whole life. I was a point guard. I was
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  Speaker 5: a quarterback. I was a pitcher, so I always had
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  Speaker 5: the ball in my hands. I was always a guy
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  Speaker 5: in spy.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 5: You know how a lot of guys say, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I kind of lead by my actions, not I.
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  Speaker 2: Like I do both. Yeah I felt that, Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: lead by my words.
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  Speaker 3: At what age did you start to be because let's see,
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  Speaker 3: like in ninth grade, I'm not the athletic ar. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not comparing that, but I'm just going to tell you
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  Speaker 3: my story. In ninth grade, I got to move out
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  Speaker 3: played with senior high team ten eleven twelfth graders. But
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  Speaker 3: I didn't say anything because I'm the freaking ninth grader
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  Speaker 3: and I didn't play as a ninth grader. Yeah, when
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  Speaker 3: did you start playing? And when could you actually be
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  Speaker 3: a vocal leader in high school? Because I'm imagining that
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  Speaker 3: you were far more athletic than the other kids your age.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So when I got to high school, I started varsity
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  Speaker 5: basketball as a freshman, but I was on the freshman
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  Speaker 5: football team, so I led my little, you know, freshman
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  Speaker 5: teammates on the freshman games. But I wasn't on varsity
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  Speaker 5: and in basketball, I kind of was the point guard.
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  Speaker 5: But I mean these kids my brother was four years older. Mean,
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  Speaker 5: my brother was a senior and I was a freshman,
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  Speaker 5: and I was playing with his friends, and I felt
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  Speaker 5: really little compared to them, Like I was like, I
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  Speaker 5: didn't have a voice.
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  Speaker 2: I just ran the place.
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  Speaker 3: You were playing as like a fourteen year old fifteen
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  Speaker 3: years old with eighteen year old Yeah that's you. Were
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  Speaker 3: you as good as some of them. I was definitely
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  Speaker 3: good enough to be on the court, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't.
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  Speaker 5: I wasn't the best player at fourteen on our team.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah I knew that. But by you know, my sophomore
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  Speaker 5: junior year, yeah, definitely, So I kind of grew into it.
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  Speaker 5: I would say, once that ball got in my hands
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  Speaker 5: and I realized what we needed to win, and I
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  Speaker 5: wasn't afraid to step up and demand that because I
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  Speaker 5: always wanted, you know, to win more than anything else.
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  Speaker 3: I was watching The redeem Team on Netflix. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if you've seen it yet. It's about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the US Olympic basketball team got a bronze and they
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  Speaker 3: were embarrassed and they had to somehow get a new
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  Speaker 3: coach get the players to commit in because to a
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  Speaker 3: lot of those guys, I would get that, being twenty
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  Speaker 3: two and rich and you just got and now they
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  Speaker 3: want you to go train for months, and I would
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  Speaker 3: get why some of them wouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: Want to do that. I watched that. I loved it.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't it awesome?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Man, I got a Kobe tattoo on me.
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  Speaker 5: They had to bring Kobe in that, you know, they
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  Speaker 5: had to bring Kobe in it to really win that.
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  Speaker 2: And and that was my point about leadership.
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  Speaker 3: And I always understood and respect to Kobe because in
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  Speaker 3: my mind's probably the third greatest player of all time,
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  Speaker 3: top three for sure. And the fact that the guys were,
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  Speaker 3: like we were in Vegas, we went to the club,
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  Speaker 3: we did what we put in Kobe's their gloves on
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  Speaker 3: going to the gym when they're coming in four am.
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  Speaker 3: And all those guys slowly started to do what Kobe
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  Speaker 3: was doing because he was doing it and he was
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  Speaker 3: that leader.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So you say you were vocal and by example, were
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  Speaker 3: you like first one in, last one out type guy?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: I kind of picked up that because I was never
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  Speaker 5: I was always like one of the best athletes. But
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  Speaker 5: there was always like a more physical freak on the team.
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  Speaker 5: Like I wasn't like we're all out of bed better
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  Speaker 5: than everybody. I was like more skilled because I worked
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  Speaker 5: on it. And I remember my mom would pick me
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  Speaker 5: up in high school every day after work. My mom
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  Speaker 5: worked at nine to five, nine to four thirty, and
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  Speaker 5: she would pick me up at like five o'clock five pm,
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  Speaker 5: and we would get out of high school at like
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  Speaker 5: two two thirty. So in football season, obviously had practice
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  Speaker 5: and my mom would pick me up. But out of
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  Speaker 5: football basketball season the spring, I had two and a
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  Speaker 5: half hours to kill.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I wasn't taking the bus home.
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  Speaker 5: So I was just literally every day Monday through Friday
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  Speaker 5: in the weight room, five days a week, lifting for
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  Speaker 5: an hour or two, going out to the field doing
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  Speaker 5: just drills that I made up. And then eventually more
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  Speaker 5: people came out there and I would put a ladder
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  Speaker 5: drills down, do a drill to drills, and I was like.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much running the drills. Yeah, so I was pretty.
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  Speaker 5: Much coming up with drills that I would see on
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  Speaker 5: I mean, shoot, even know if YouTube was out back then,
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  Speaker 5: but whatever I was, I was just finding drills and
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  Speaker 5: doing them and doing this and that was kind of leadership, right,
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  Speaker 5: Like I'm doing these these offseason workouts, but I just
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  Speaker 5: was like waiting for my mom to pick me up.
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  Speaker 3: Did you have a good relationship with the coaches, because
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  Speaker 3: it sounds like you love the game games we can
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  Speaker 3: say games, and you also weren't afraid to put work in.
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  Speaker 3: Were you the guy that they would lean on high
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  Speaker 3: school and college to go?
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  Speaker 2: All right? You got to be the voice to those guys,
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  Speaker 2: be my voice to them.
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  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I think so, Especially playing the quarterback position
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  Speaker 5: and stuff. I just think there's certain positions in sports
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  Speaker 5: where you expect the leader there and I kind of
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  Speaker 5: was that. So I think it happened naturally mainly because
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  Speaker 5: of the position I played. But I do remember, like
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  Speaker 5: my junior sophomore, junior year when I kind of was
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  Speaker 5: stepping in the role as varsity quarterback and stuff. I
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  Speaker 5: was not great at pregame speeches, Like I didn't want
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  Speaker 5: to talk and I felt like a senior should talk,
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  Speaker 5: you know, before the game. Like I was silent, and
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  Speaker 5: I would always get really nervous before a game still do,
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  Speaker 5: Like I always get like a little bit nervous and tense.
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  Speaker 2: And I just was really really quiet.
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  Speaker 5: And I feel like that developed more in the NFL
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  Speaker 5: in college of having the you know, taking public speaking
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  Speaker 5: classes and whatnot.
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  Speaker 2: Just having the confidence to go up.
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  Speaker 5: In front of a room of one hundred people and
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  Speaker 5: motivate them without feeling like, you know, a clown or
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  Speaker 5: say something dumb or mess it up, you know, or
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  Speaker 5: be laughed at. And I just think that came in older,
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  Speaker 5: like giving actual the speech, but actually just on the field. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: when I'm playing in between the lines, you had a
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  Speaker 5: leadership always came out.
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  Speaker 3: Were you super educated on what was happening every game?
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  Speaker 3: Put the time in the film room always? Was that
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  Speaker 3: a priority? Or did you have to learn how.
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  Speaker 2: To do that later? I learnedarn how to I learned
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  Speaker 2: how to do that later.
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  Speaker 5: But growing up, my dad coached me when I was little,
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  Speaker 5: maybe up till I don't know, ten eleven years old.
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  Speaker 5: And every year, like I said, I played, I played
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  Speaker 5: offense and I played defense so I didn't come off
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  Speaker 5: the field, and I swear every year he made me
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  Speaker 5: change positions. He's like, all right, well last year receiver,
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  Speaker 5: this year gonna play run out to learn, yeah, and
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  Speaker 5: then this year're gonna do this And then We had
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  Speaker 5: a really good team in like eighth grade, and we
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  Speaker 5: went in literally we went like unscored upon, Like we
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  Speaker 5: beat everybody thirty five to nothing and didn't give up
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  Speaker 5: a point the entire season. And on that team, we
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  Speaker 5: had like three NFL players in like six Division one
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  Speaker 5: wrestlers out of like eleven starters, like nine of us
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  Speaker 5: went to college for sports.
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  Speaker 2: So it was a really good team.
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  Speaker 5: But in the second half, my dad would make all
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  Speaker 5: the skill players play a line and get the old
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  Speaker 5: lineman the ball so that they, you know, we would
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  Speaker 5: block for them. Yeah, you know, and I just felt
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  Speaker 5: like why are we doing this? You know, But like
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  Speaker 5: I love my old lineman, you know, I always treat
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  Speaker 5: them well, and I understood what it was like to block.
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  Speaker 5: I played tight end, I played receiver, I played running back,
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  Speaker 5: I played quarterback, I played corner, I played safety, and
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  Speaker 5: really in the NFL really helped my versatility because I
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  Speaker 5: learned the game from so many different angles and even
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  Speaker 5: when I played defense in the NFL, I think but
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  Speaker 5: from like a reverse quarterback perspective, like Okay, what is
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  Speaker 5: he reading? He's probably gonna throw this because I'm showing
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  Speaker 5: him that.
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  Speaker 3: It's like you're reverse engineering. Yeah, what exactly you think
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  Speaker 3: is about to happen?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Dang.
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  Speaker 3: So when you're in high school you play quarterback? Did
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  Speaker 3: you just were you recruited as a quarterback?
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  Speaker 5: So that was back before they wanted like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: six foot black quarterbacks running around the NFL like that's
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  Speaker 5: not the just the norm.
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  Speaker 3: Now did you feel like because you were a six
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  Speaker 3: foot black quarterback that was actually held against you, Well.
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  Speaker 5: They're going to recruit you as an athlete. So what
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  Speaker 5: happens is there? Like everybody like, like I would say,
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  Speaker 5: half of you know, college football players probably played quarterback
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  Speaker 5: when they were growing up because they're the best player
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  Speaker 5: and they want the ball in their hands. But back then,
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  Speaker 5: they would say you're going to be a receiver, or
• 10:52
  Speaker 5: you're gonna be a corner, or you're gonna be a safety.
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  Speaker 5: So I knew, like looking ahead, like, yeah, I'm probably
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  Speaker 5: gonna end up being a corner. And I played corner
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  Speaker 5: as well, and I was ranked pretty high in New
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  Speaker 5: Jersey for it, so I kind of knew already what
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  Speaker 5: it was, but they did. You just didn't have the
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  Speaker 5: opportunities division one to be like, oh, you're five eleven
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  Speaker 5: and a half and you know you're a great athlete,
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  Speaker 5: We're gonna make you play a different position, like quarterback
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  Speaker 5: is for these type of guys. Six foot four, white,
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  Speaker 5: two hundred and twenty five pound guys.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 5: But now the NFL, as you see, has caught up
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  Speaker 5: and Bryce Young, Yeah, Bryce Young, Kyler Murray's five nine,
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  Speaker 5: No these dudes. I I remember hosting the draft in
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  Speaker 5: Nashville when they had the draft in Nashville a couple
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  Speaker 5: of years ago, and I was actually working in media
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  Speaker 5: and I was on the red carpet hosting these guys,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm like, Quinn Williams, lift the mic up and
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  Speaker 5: DJ DK Metcalf lift the mic way up, and like
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  Speaker 5: Kyler Murray put the mic Like I'm like, this guy
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  Speaker 5: is little, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Little hands, little arms.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but he's specially in his skill set and he
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  Speaker 5: had They never made him switch positions, but a lot
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  Speaker 5: of a lot of us they they were like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if you're gonna go to Division one
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  Speaker 5: and play what star.
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  Speaker 2: Were you recruit? I was a four star recruit, And
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  Speaker 2: what is life like as a four star recruit? It's
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  Speaker 2: gotta be pretty Yeah, man, it was. I mean it's
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  Speaker 2: gotta be good.
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  Speaker 5: So I was really a three star coming out and
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  Speaker 5: for most of it, and then I think the ranking guy,
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  Speaker 5: Rivals ranking guy comes to check out one of my
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  Speaker 5: games my senior year, and I was already committed to Rutgers,
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  Speaker 5: so I like had twenty five scholars and.
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  Speaker 2: Play safety or what. At the time, We're you going
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  Speaker 2: to Rutgers to do? What though? I was going to
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  Speaker 2: Rutgers to play corner.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, I was a number one corner in the Stay
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  Speaker 5: of New Jersey, and I was like one of the
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  Speaker 5: better quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 2: But I was a number one at that position, got it.
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  Speaker 5: And I was a three star committed to Rutgers verbally
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  Speaker 5: and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And then we play.
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  Speaker 5: We play the opening game and he comes to see
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  Speaker 5: our game play and I get a pick six, like
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  Speaker 5: on the first possession of the game, and literally reverse engineering.
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  Speaker 5: The coach told me, if you see the quarterback roll out,
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  Speaker 5: you know it's going to be a hitch, a rout
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  Speaker 5: in front of and a rout behind you. Just bait
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  Speaker 5: the route behind you. And every time they roll out
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  Speaker 5: there on the same play. So the first play the game,
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  Speaker 5: the rollout, I see the route behind me, I act
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  Speaker 5: like I'm going to go get the route behind me,
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  Speaker 5: and I just bade him. He throws around in front
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  Speaker 5: of me eighty yard pick six to start my senior year,
• 13:08
  Speaker 5: and that night I got a four star, right being
• 13:14
  Speaker 5: four star. So what happens Notre Dame calls me, Miami
• 13:17
  Speaker 5: calls me, Penn State.
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: Calls from that that one star. Oh, now he's this
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: level of.
• 13:22
  Speaker 5: Recruit and they're like, oh, you don't want to go
• 13:24
  Speaker 5: to Rutgers, come here, come.
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: There crazy that it wasn't some tape that it wasn't
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: like a library of tape on you that changed their mind.
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: It was literally a recruiting service. One guy who saw
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: one game, yeah and wow, and new colleges come. It's lazy.
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: Recruiting is lazy.
• 13:37
  Speaker 5: What happens is a lot of states out of state
• 13:40
  Speaker 5: teams like Alabama is not going to come to New
• 13:42
  Speaker 5: Jersey unless one you're offered by your New Jersey school.
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: So they're going to let Rutgers do the work.
• 13:47
  Speaker 5: Once Rutgers does the work, all the other big East
• 13:50
  Speaker 5: schools at the time, right it was West Virginia, it
• 13:53
  Speaker 5: was whatever. So they're like, Okay, this guy, obviously Rutgers
• 13:55
  Speaker 5: identified them. So now your conference is going to start
• 13:58
  Speaker 5: recruiting you, and they start offering you. And then once
• 14:00
  Speaker 5: your whole conference offers you, and then you get that
• 14:02
  Speaker 5: fourth star, then you become a national recruit. Now coaches
• 14:05
  Speaker 5: are jetting to your field, your high school and landing
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: on the thing and trying to and that's why you
• 14:10
  Speaker 5: see guys flip recruitment. So I mean, now they're getting paid,
• 14:12
  Speaker 5: but they flip recruitment so much because one thing changed.
• 14:16
  Speaker 5: Who came that was cool, I would say Greg Shianno,
• 14:20
  Speaker 5: when Rutgers recruited me, they put out all the stops.
• 14:23
  Speaker 5: He landed a helicopter on a local hospital and so
• 14:27
  Speaker 5: he flew a helicopter in to see me. I think
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: Iowa was super dope. Michigan State was cool. But Rutgers,
• 14:35
  Speaker 5: I mean they sent people to my grandmother's funeral. My
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: grandmother passed away. They had people at the funeral. They
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: were work, They had a Bible in front of my mom.
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: They won a whole different angle at my dad. I
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: mean they were they were pulling every stop like to
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: to get me to stay.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: I feel like if I was on a jury or
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: if I was being recruited, I just flip all the time.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: I mean like, oh, that's great, I'm here. Oh that's great.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: Guilty Oh no, not guilty Michigan State.
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'll be doing that like crazy, because
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: I'm sure everybody's giving you their best effort.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: They're showing you that.
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: Like you know, Chris Rock talks about dating somebody knew,
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: and he's like, you know, you don't really meet me,
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: you meet my representative when you you know, it's the
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: early version, but it's the best version of the school
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: in every way.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: Like, aren't they all just awesome when you do that?
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: They they like really recruit your parents. I came from
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: a two parent background, super solid. My dad was a cop,
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: was a cop. My mom worked, like I said, a
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: nine to five. So they really had my parents on lock.
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: But looking back at I'm like, man, I should have
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: took that official visit to Hawaii. That's a great flight,
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: great trip. Should have went out there. Maybe I should
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: take that LV That would have been a fun little vagae.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: What we should do on a on an official visit,
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: like you land? Yeah, just a brief discris, I have
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: no idea. You land, then, what what happens? Wh who's there?
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: What's the daylight.
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: So you land, you'll be red carpeted, black car picked up,
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: go to the school. All the coaches will be there, excited, balloons,
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: catered food.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: And then New York.
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: Rutgers's whole pitch was, we're gonna send you to New York.
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: So you take the train. In New York, they runt
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: it out like a Dave and Busters and like Times Square.
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: So you're in Times Square, You're like, I gotta rent
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: it out, David Busters. You're playing games. They're talking like, yeah,
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: you're gonna like we have these mccordy twins and they're
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: all right, but you're gonna come in and you're gonna
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: play over them and like all this. But I knew
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: they were on their way out. I was gonna fill
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: in the next shows. But they're like, yeah, they're okay.
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: But Jason McCarty, this guy, I mean, he can't even
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: get an interception.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Look at me, you had six interceptions last year. We
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: need you, right, So they tell you what you want
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: to hear.
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: And then we got back on the train to Rutgers
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: and the coaches leave, and then you're paired with a player.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: So I didn't have them mccordy twins had.
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: I had a kid that was actually on my little
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: league team that I told you about that we like
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: went undefeated or whatever. So I knew him since we
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: were kids. So he kind of hosted me, and that's
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: your host, and they gave me why they gave you
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: him right right, because we knew each other. So then
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: so then I got one of my best friends already
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: there and.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: He's like whatever.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: And then they gave your host like one hundred bucks
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: and he's supposed to take you to a party and
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: take you and he was like, look, man, I'm keeping
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: fifty of these bucks, like you got fifty you know.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: So and then you know, they try to show you
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: girls and try to give you a good night and
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: then but the worst part is when you're when you're
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: a host, you have practice the next day. I'm like,
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: I'm not partying with this freaking sixteen year old kid,
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: seventeen year old kid all night and I gotta wake
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: up at seven am and run sprints, Like I kept
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: that hundred bucks.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I bet some people do, though, I bet they go
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: hard and then go to I mean it's just so yeah,
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: when you're younger, you can do it yeah, so you
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: when you get to Rutgers.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Is the speed of the game so much different going
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: high school to college or college to the pros? When
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: does it adjust so much that you're like, okay, hold on,
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: let me get you straight.
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: I think the speed of the game, because everyone comes
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: from different high school. You come from some country school
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: where I mean you got you know, eight on eight
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: football whatever in the middle of Nevada or something. But
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: I think the speed of the game is a bigger difference.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: I think the coaching was a bigger difference for me
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: because Greg Seana was such a tough coach for me,
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: and I wasn't used to getting yelled at or just
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: like negativity shouting my way or getting cussed at, like
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: I wasn't used to.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I'm like, whoa, this is kind of hard environment for
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: me to thrive in.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: So I think that was the biggest shock for me,
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: the speed and just the coaching because as soon as
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: you commit and day one practice stars, all that recruitings
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: out the window, like now I own it, and it
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: really felt like military. I feel like like a military academy.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: It was that strict in discipline at Rutgers with him,
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: and you know, well, then I went to the NFL.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: I came from that academy mindset, so like the discipline
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: was there, no one could do anything I haven't done already,
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: Like I've been through tougher workout. So now it's all
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: about execution and just skill, like we need you here
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: at your job to do it and use way more.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: It's way more efficient.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: The first time you go to a college practice and
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: it's actually full pads, what does that feel like?
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Oh? I have so many stories, man.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: The first college practice, so practice is is based on
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: what they call periods, and they blow the whistle in
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: a periods five minutes. So a practice could be I
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: don't want to stay and get butchered on math. But
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: a practice can be twenty periods you do the math,
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: or fifteen periods or twelve or twenty four whatever, two
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: hour practice whatever. Our first practice was thirty six periods.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: It was like over three hours. It was in middle
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: of July in New Jersey. It was really hot and
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: human on the field. I had brand new cleats. When
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: I was getting blisters, they made everyone tape your ankles mandatory,
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: have to tape. I never taped my ankles before, so
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: my ankles were stiff, my cleat's hurt. And then Giano
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: had a rule you weren't allowed to take your helmet
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: off at any point in the practice, so I couldn't
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: even take my helmet off to get water. So I
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: had to like get water through my helmet. And I
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: just was so just equipment, uncomfortable, not used to practicing
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: that long. It just was all like all the little
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: things I guess that you're just supposed to ignore that
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: I got don't even bother me. Now they all bothered
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: me so much. Like at first, it was a huge adjustment.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: When you're eighteen, you're hitting twenty two twenty three year
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: old dudes, I assume that's physically a lot more taxing
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: on you than seventeen hit and eighteen you know high
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: school like it's young.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: It's an older kid versus men. Yeah, yeah, now it's
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: a big jump. It's hard.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: If you see guys that come in to college, true
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: freshmen and dominate like that, that's tough because of physical aspect.
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: Like these guys in college you're lifting and running your
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: butt off like you are working. They're where you had
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: nothing else to do, their owning you. They work you.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: So I came in one hundred and seventy five pounds.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: I red shirted, so I was the number one corner
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: in the state, a four star going to Rutgers that
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: wasn't the greatest school in that recruited me. So I'm
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: supposed to come in and be a savior type of thing,
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: replace the mccordy twins. And I red shirted like I
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: got crushed by all expectation pressure. And I came in
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: one hundred and seventy five pounds, and I was one
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: hundred and ninety five pounds in less than a year.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: I put on twenty pounds of muscle. I couldn't even
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: dunk a basketball anymore because you had put on some much,
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: so much weight. I wasn't even used to carrying that weight.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: I'm one hundred and ninety four pounds at thirty two
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: years old. So in the last whatever fourteen to fifteen years,
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: I didn't gain one pounds, right, I just but I
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: put on twenty pounds in one year of muscle. I'm
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: squatting four hundred and fifty pounds. I'm power cleaning over
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: three hundred.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Pounds, and that's what they want.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Oh they were lifting? Yeah, And are your feelings at
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: the you have to red shirt? When did they tell
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: you that? Or is this something that that happens in
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: game three when you haven't played at all.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: So I kind of like I had like a little
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: back injury and just had a rough start to it,
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: and it kind of was like, Hey, you're either gonna
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: play special teams this year or we can red shirt you.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, I'm like I'm not going
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: to waste a year just playing special team. So I
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: red shirted.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: But he Giano used to red shirt like the entire
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: classes because he won an older team. So I think
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: out of our true freshman class we had twenty five commits,
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: twenty five guys on full rides and not counting walk ons,
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: I would say he probably played four or five guys
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: twenty of us red shirted. He just wanted to backload
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: the whole roster like that, right, So now a senior
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: class or fifth year seniors that are twenty two to
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: twenty three years old. So that just was like if
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: you weren't a super phenomenal right away, he was, you're
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: gonna red shirt?
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: What year did you leave college?
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: So I actually left as a red shirt junior, So
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: I left early. I got it together and I took off.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: So I left.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: So your red shirt year than your two years.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: I red shirted, had a red shirt freshman sophomore, then
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: I left at the I almost left after a red
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: shirt sophomore year, but I left after my red shirt
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: junion got it.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: It was my fourth year. So you go and you
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I was reading some of your because it still exists,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: the draft stuff or like this is his peak, this
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: is what we think his ceiling is. Did you ever
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: read that stuff back then too?
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: I don't, I mean I don't. I don't know what
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: they wrote about me, but I can probably could tell
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: you what it was.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so, I.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Mean, so they would they do compare a certain player
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: compare they're like at his ceiling, not quite Palamalu, but
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: you know, and they're doing it.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: So who did they compare you to? In college?
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Just when you would talk to folks and they'd be like, oh,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: we get to kind of see you being this type
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: of player in the NFL.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: So I don't know if there was an exact like
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: ceiling comp that I knew in the NFL at the moment.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: But my biggest thing is like I was super smart
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: and tough and productive, like I had some of the
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: most productive stats, like I was second in Biggie's history
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: in past breakups, ahead of Devin mccordy, behind to Roll
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: Reeves by like a couple.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: And do you think that's because of your athletic ability
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: or because you your instincts?
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Instincts and studying was so good instincts and studying.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: Once I figured out the game, I would say half
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: the time now in the NFL, I played plays over
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: players like I don't care, like Julio is one of
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: my good friends.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: I had to cover Julio in the Super Bowl. I
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: don't care Julio.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: Julio only runs, like can only run ten routes, and
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: once I figure out what they are, it can only
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: be three. So I'm gona play these three routes right
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: based on situation and all that.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: So I'm playing the plays.
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: So at the end of the day, the quarterbacks got
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: thrown to a spot if I could figure out that
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: spot before you figure out this, or you know, because
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: I don't know where you're going, I gotta do some mass.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: So I always say I'm just playing high high stakes
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: blackjack out there.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Being such a cerebral guy, because again, that's the story
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: on you too, is that you were able to almost
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: predict chess moves before the chess move happened.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Do you ever think about coaching? Yeah, you know, I
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: get asked that a lot because I definitely have.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: I have a memory where I almost remember every game
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: I playing in the plays, and then I think I
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: do a decent job of explaining it to the everyday person.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: So that's why media is good in coaching.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: I just don't like how many hours these coaches work,
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: Like it's very hard for a coach to have a
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: balance with any family life, Like they're home at midnight
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: all year round. I mean, it's it's it's a crazy
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: profession that doesn't have any balance work life balance.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: So right now, not attractive to you. Would you go
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: coach college or NFL if you had to, I.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: Would coach NFL or college because I don't want to
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: recruit on the road and you're off time at a
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: seventeen year old high school telling him he's going to
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: be better than Devin mccordy. You know, it's just like
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: I don't like doing that. I'm too real with kids.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: I'm like, look, you're not good, but we'll take you
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: probably make you good, but you're not. You know, you
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: got to earn everything here.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: You're deciding to go and you can leave Rutgers are
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: going to go to the NFL, and they kind of
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: have you pegged as you know, late second third round pick,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: and do you kind of have an idea of what
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: team will take you in that resk, like four or
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: five teams or does everybody just act like they like
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: you until they got to make that decision.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I leave, I leave Rutgers. I get a
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: second They give you a draft grade if you want
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: to like leave early. They gave me a second round
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: draft grade. So it's all going me depending like all
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: my combine but I wasn't a combine free Who.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Gave you that grade? By the way, I don't know
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: you submitted to.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: Some dudes who are sitting in a room, say you
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: go in the second round, and I think they have
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: to protect you because they want to keep kids in school,
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: So they give you a lower grade cause they don't
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: want kids coming out, right. They don't want to say
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: you're on the first round. If you come out and
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: then you slide a sixth round and I get really pissed.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: So they gave me a second round grade based on production.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: That's like, at worst, I'm going in the second round.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: That's that's good money. So Rutgers is like, no, don't go,
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: You'll be a first round of next year. I'm like,
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: I'm going I go to the second round, all right.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: I start training and I'm like one of those athletes
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: I like, I play. I can play baseball, I could
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: play ping pong like, I could play pickball, like I
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: can fish, I can play basketball. I'm like an all
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: like a ball athlete. I guess bowl, I can bowl
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: it over two hundred whatever. There's guys that could literally
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: not swing a baseball bat, but they can jump forty
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: four inches and stuff.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not like that.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: So I had very mediocre numbers combine, and obviously I
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: was a junior, so I didn't have the Senior Bowl
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: or all that stuff to have more opportunity to be seen.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: So I kind of was like, oh, this guy just
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: kept every time I look, I just slipped. Someone did
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: something at something that I wasn't even at, and I slipped.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: You weren't doing anything to slip, No, just because you
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: weren't able to do certain things.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you leave as a junior. There is no Senior Bowl,
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: there is no so right, so I'm okay, I'm a junior.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: All I have is the NFL Combine. As soon as
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: I ran a four or five, it was like, oh,
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: this guy ran who this guy out of nowhere who
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: has no numbers ran a four to three. Let's be
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: cause they're kind of sell a story at the Combine too, right,
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: They want the biggest athletic freaks there. So I kind
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: of slipped. I went to the third round, New England.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: New England came to Rutgers, and Rutgers had a lot
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: of guys at the time coming out and Bill Belichick.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: And this is actually another I got all these Belichick
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: stories that just keep coming out.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: So when you're in college, there's local pro days.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: So in New Jersey, right, like, the Jets and the
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: Giants can work out the local guys on their own day,
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: and guys from all those colleges in New Jersey can
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: go do a local pro day for the Jets and
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: the Giants. So Bill Belichick decides that he wants to
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: come do a visit with me on the day of
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: the Jets local Pro Day.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: So I'm not going to work out for the Jets.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: The Patriots are coming to work me out privately, and
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: I think only two or three teams worked me out privately.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: Not only didn't invite Purpose for right, right, not only
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: did he invite me, he invited about sixteen Rutgers players,
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: so everybody. I mean, I think we had seven guys
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: get drafted that year. We led the draft with players Me, Deron, Harmon,
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: Steve Bahrnis, everybody that we had coming out. We had
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: like eight guys on defense, eight guys on offense. So
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: it was like a pretty much a Patriot Pro Day
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: the day that was supposed to be the Jets Pro day.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: So Rex Ryan and Jets were pissed because none of
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: the Rutgers players went to their pro day. They had
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: like Mamath players go and it was like, well, Bill
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: came in and said to do this. So I remember
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: I did the thing with Bill. But I called Devon
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: because Devon's one of my good friends and he was
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: on the Patriots already, was their captains. So I said,
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: I need all your drills, give me all your warm
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: up drills, give me all your dB drills. What do
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: you guys do in a workout? So Devin sent me
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: all their drills, and I've been practicing with the guys
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: for a week because we knew what day this was coming.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: So our entire secondary was practicing these drills for a week.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: So when they come in, we crushed the workout. Then
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: we go to the film room and I'm like, oh,
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: this is what I do. I'm turning what the nose
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: guard does? I'm turning with all eleven players doing every defense.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: So I knew I impressed Bill and then he ends
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: up drafting me in the third round. Deron Harmon, who
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: was our free safety in the third round as well,
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: So we drafted four guys on Rutgers defense alone in
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: that draft. But I had the drills from Devin a
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: week prior and we were practicing for this workout.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: What's it like as a rookie going into the locker
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: room of the NFL where you got thirty five year
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: old men in there as well?
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Crazy?
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: It was again, that's another adjustment again, and I just
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: think you got to earn them with your play and
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: just being a good rookie. I was singing songs, I
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: was telling jokes. I remember I was playing really well
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: in the preseason. I actually had to pick six against
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: the Bucks who Shianna wants to be that coach. So
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: I kind of got back with the pick six in
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: the preseason and because he didn't draft me in the
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: second round, so I'm like, oh, coach that passing on me.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Dan, I had it hurt a little bit, like taking
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: that personal.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a little personal at the time. So
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, don't draft me.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: That's fine. See what I do.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: So I uh, he actually drafted another corner as well,
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: so I end up doing that.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: So I'm playing well.
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: So I'm like kind of playing with the starters, like
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: when the season is about to start, like kind of
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: like in there. Very different than started my college career.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: And I remember a keep to leeve was like and
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: I think there's no more intimidating veteran you can have
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: than a keep to leave as a rookie, and a
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: key was like, yo, rookie, you gotta get his chicken
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: wings before we go on away games. On the flight,
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: I'm like, well, I'm not getting no chicken wings. I'm
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: like one of the starters, like get the other rookies
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: a day. And he was like he looked at me,
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: He's like, you're getting those chicken wings, and I just
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: was like, I'm getting those chickens.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: So I ended up getting chicken wings before every road game.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: I had to go to Skipjacks across the street a
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: Patriot place and get like three hundred chicken wings and in.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: A suit and bring buffalo wings in a suit.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: Uh and not get any sauce on me and get
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: pictured in the plane.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: So every like pregame picture of me in the plane.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: I had like big old bag of chicken wings for
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: the entire secondary or whatever. And I did that for
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: I did that for an entire year and I and
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: I ended up starting most of that year leaning the
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: team leaning the AFC and it I had five interceptions
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: as a rookie.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: He's still getting wings even though you got fired.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: Started at AFC Championship. Starting AFC Championship, had more picks than.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: To leave that year.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: And uh yeah, I was getting chicken wings up to
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: the AFC Championship. And I remember we were flying to
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: the AFC Championship and Bill was like, let the players
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: sit first class and some other organizations when you fly,
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: the coaches sit first class and the players in the
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: bat and I pisses the players off. But Bill's like, nah,
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: the players, they run the show like they're in the
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: first class, but there's only so many seats, so he
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: doesn't do it on some yard he doesn't know who's playing.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: So I remember I was, I got like a first
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: class seat, and I'm like, yeah, like okay, I made it.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: And they had some guys there are.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: Ten year vets in a cop me pissed, but I'm like, hey,
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: like I'm playing better, Bill rewards who's playing better?
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Who gets respect? Somebody who plays well or somebody's got
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: a big deal.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: Who I always say play well because even when I
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: signed some big deals, I signed two thirty million dollar
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: contracts in my career, and I just I always felt
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: like I got to show to the guys like I'm
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: worth it, because nothing's worse than a guy who gets
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: paid and doesn't work.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: And you're like, this is a guy we're paying.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: Like you're Do you see that in locker rooms? Oh yeah,
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: that's a lot of teams issues. They play guys they
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: don't know their character. The money changes the guys, and
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: now you have a big issue because not only is
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: your paid player supposed to be your best player and
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: hopefully your hardest worker, like Tom Brady is and these
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: guys are he's your least hardest worker and he's not
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: even playing up to his own potentials. That really hurts
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: your team. So you got to pay. You got to
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: make sure that you reward the right guys. I'm a
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: big booster.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: I do NILS with players, big Arkansas guy, And I
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: think one of the things that I've been able to
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: observe is that some of these guys grew up like
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: I did, no money, broke, but this is this is
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: their first time to get some money in college, and
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: it actually prepares them from when they get more money
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: in the NFL. So it's not just straight culture shot
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: going from nothing to everything. I feel like that's a
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: real positive of the NIL is there's an adjustment period
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: before you hit it real big.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Your thoughts on that.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: I love that, I love that IL. It's I mean,
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: I just like that the players are getting a piece
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: of the pie. And I know it's kind of crazy
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: to regulate, and I know a lot of players are
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: making a lot of money at a young age, but
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: I think what it also does. I think it can
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: expose the family that's been waiting to do it. Anyway,
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: So you might you know, when you've got a million
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: dollars at twenty one, you got some uncles that have
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: been waiting in the weeds. You know that now if
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: you don't give them something now, now they're mad at you.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: So maybe it exposes a little the family dynamic or
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: the support dynamic a little earlier. So these kids be like, oh, okay,
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: I really see who's got my back and not? You
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: know so, I think a lot of guys' stresses is
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: dealing with family and how to hint, like you can't
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: help everybody and where where where? Who do you owe
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: what to? And what? Your aunt struggling, so you got
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: to pay for her, and so and so had a hospital.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: Bality got to pay for that. And your mom needs this,
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: and your dad needs that, and you're oh, by your
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: brother's always been there with you, so he needs this.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: And then eventually it's like you tell them no one
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: time and then they get mad at you. You know, so
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: you definitely need to work on that dynamic.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Did they work with you guys on money when you
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: go in like that, because I know in the NBA
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: they do these these class.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: They Yeah, we have a we have a we have
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: like a Rookie Symposium.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: You know, but it's just it's generic.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: You know, it's not like a class, it's a it's
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: a one day, you know, four hour presentation. You watched
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: the documentary about Going Broke, which was that he hit
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: at thirty for thirty, which was crazy, and see Antoine
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: Jamison then buying apartment complexes and JaMarcus Russell like buying
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: an entire plane every seat.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I wouldn't do that, But I don't know
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: if that teaches you actually like what taxes are and
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: like how to p Yeah, like I don't think guys
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: like every draft pick is buying her mom a house
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: and somebody a car.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: The first day.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: It's like, dude, you're making like maybe eight hundred thousand
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: dollars this year after taxes, that's like five hundred. Now
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: you bought a car and a house, Like, how are
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: you even going to pay for your own rent? Like
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: there's not enough money to do that in day one.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Which I you know, for Nils again, I think it's
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: great when you somebody make a few hundred thousand bucks
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: because then when they make a million, they know half
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: of it where it's going anyway.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So when you get to the NFL and you're
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: playing with the Patriots and you're playing, well, I mean,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: you got the greatest player of all time Tom Brady there.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, does he just walk around and everybody just
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: it's instant respect or is he one of the guys.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: He's he's one of the guys as much as he
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: could be. And he's just he's different. He was older
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: than you know, older than a lot of us and
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: all that stuff, but he is the most one of
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: the most huge, like humble people for high star power.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Like like, does he try to be involved with folks.
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's very authentic, He's very genuine. He's very engaging, engaging.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: I think his EQ is what got him so many
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: Super Bowls. He really knows how to how to how
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: to tap in with his teammates and get the best
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: out of his teammate's. Like sometimes you hear how Kobe
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: didn't always rub right with his teammates, or Jordan didn't
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: always rub right with his teammates or whatever. I think
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: Tom has that same competitive passion and he knows when
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: to do that, but he also knows when to love
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: up on his teammates and maybe a little more Lebron esque.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: I don't know, but I think that like Tom has
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: mastered I think that's a difference with him in a
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: lot of these other quarterbacks. That's why he has seven
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: and these other guys have one or two. Is how
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: much like I'll tell quickly, like this story I've told
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: a couple of times my first time ever meeting him.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: So I get drafted by the Patriots. I'm walking in
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: the hall. I kind of like see him like down
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: the home, like, oh shit, I'm going to run into
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: this guy. Like do I call him Tom Thomas, mister Brady?
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Like I had this guy's jersey growing up, right, So
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: I'm like like clearing my throat and as I walk
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: up to him outside of normal conversation range, like you know,
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: you have like maybe a second to get ready for
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: this conversation.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: He's like, oh, hey, you're Logan right.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: We're drafting a third round out of Ruckers And he's like, man,
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: look I'm Tom quarterback here, Like if you need anything,
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: my lockers are here. I'm always here early anything you need, like,
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: just come to me and I'll do the best I can.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: He's like, trust me, I was a rookie it's hard.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: Just put your head down and keep working. And I
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: just thought that was so cool. Not only did he
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: take the awkward interaction out of me, but he made
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: me feel he knew who I was, he knew where
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: I was, school I came from. He made me feel important,
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: and he said he was an open book for me.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: And when you're just the third round rookie out of
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: Rutgers who's probably the fifty third best player on the team,
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: I was like, dang, that's really cool. And I was like, yo,
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: I want to be like that veteran one day. I
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: might not be Tom Brady, but I want to be
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: that guy that's not hazing and not like making it
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: so hard. We need these guys, and I think Tom
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: knows that he's going to need every one of his teammates.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: We only got a few minutes left too with you.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: But a couple questions. What if you said, hey, Tom,
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: will you sign this? Well, that football, anything, It could
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: be anything. You're like, Tom, Hey, thanks man, were you signed?
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Is that allowed on the locker room?
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I got him, you didn't see. I got him to
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: sign his last I picked off his last. But that's
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: the end. That's you already were established.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Oh early, Yeah, it's crazy.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think you got to just draw
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: the line there because everyone would do it so certain
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: guys when you're established. I think he does it, and
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: charity he'll do it, but like just he would be
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: there all day.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Like you know, You're that went viral when you had
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: him sign the ball after you. And do you think
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: part of that situation you approached that because you already
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: knew him and played with him.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew him.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: We kind of grown together, our relationship of respect, and
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: I didn't know how much longer he was going to play.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: I was going to play whatever, So I kind of
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: just snuck a bunch of stuff from the sign for
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: family finally over these years, and then I kind of
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: snuck the.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Football in there too. You still have the ball? I
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: do have the ball? Yeah, what could you get for? You? Think?
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: That's what I want to know? I mean, let me
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: know who's who's listening. I want to over have five
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: hundred thousand.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: How do you still train?
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: I get two questions, like how do you still trained
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: with the intensity that you need to train with when
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: you're waiting on that call instead of knowing who that
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: call is going to be from I did.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: This during COVID. I was a free agent for a
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: long time. I left Tennessee.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: I didn't sign with the New York Giants till week
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: one of the season, so I was all the way
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: through training camp and I got in there and I
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: ended up leading the team and snaps, play eating tackles
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: on stuff. So I've been through this. I think it's
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: just it's discipline. I get up and get it done, period,
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: doesn't matter who I'm playing for.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I get up.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: I know, I know the work and what I need
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: to do at this point in my career, and I
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: get up and just get it done.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: You want to come here? I know some people here?
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Mean you want to come here? What the Titans?
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, we want to come here? I know
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: some people here.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Like where you want to go? Where do you see
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: yourself fitting?
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Who needs you?
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: Man?
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: I would love to be in Tampa because my family's there,
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: you know. But if that's not the case, then I
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: obviously want to play for a good organization that could tender,
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: that can get a guy to plug in and play
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: and win championships.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: See, yeah, we'll see what the record is during during
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: the year, he.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Wants to play for the Cowboys PSI Eddie question for Logan. Yeah, Logan,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: So like, growing up, who did you want to play for?
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Because I got four kids, three of them are pretty
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: decent at sports, so I fought them all jerseys, like
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: so they can take baby pictures with so the announcer
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: can be like he's always been a forty nine from there,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: you know, So who did you want to play?
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Crazy?
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: I kept this hitting. I was a New York Giant
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: and I literally kept this hitting. But I grew up
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: a diehard Philly fan because I'm from South Jersey and
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: there's like no choice, a right, there's Cowboys fans there.
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  Speaker 5: They get like beat up daily fights. It's real rivalries
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  Speaker 5: up there.
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  Speaker 2: So I was. I was an Eagles fan growing up.
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  Speaker 5: I grew up watching McNab years and and all those years,
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  Speaker 5: Brian Dawkins and all that, so I was big. So
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  Speaker 5: when the Phillies won the World Series in eighth nine
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  Speaker 2: They were climbing the pole. Yeah, oh yeah, it's serious.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a big animal guy. Tell me about Ryan's monthly
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  Speaker 2: rescue and your goal and what you've been able to
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  Speaker 2: do so far.
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  Speaker 5: Man, we were able to raise hundreds of thousands of
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: dollars for animals throughout the years. I just love I
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: was waiting, I was looking for my calls, and I
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  Speaker 5: love shelter animals. I have rescue dogs, my daughter foster's kittens.
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  Speaker 5: So we started a big animal foundation to raise money,
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  Speaker 5: awareness and just be a different face in that industry.
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  Speaker 5: You don't see young black guys like loving on pitbulls.
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  Speaker 5: You see a different type of stereotype. You don't see
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  Speaker 5: guys with kittens and stuff like that. So I've done
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  Speaker 5: a lot with Naturally Humane out here when I was
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: still currently and we're just trying to promote adoption and
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: give out grants and stuff for people that are, you know,
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: struggling with animals and animals need help.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm just an animal lover.
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  Speaker 3: At r ARF dot com, which is r a r
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  Speaker 3: F and you find them on Facebook search for the
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  Speaker 3: Ryan Animal Rescue Foundation. We talked about a little bit
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: before you got in here, but I really appreciate the time, man.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: I could do this for three hours.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I hope you get picked up by a contender.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: I hope you still find your fulfillment for plant sports
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  Speaker 3: the next couple of years.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Whatever makes you feel like you still got it.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: If you still got it, I hope you get But
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: then when you're done, dude, you're gonna kill it in
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: this space.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I got peace. I'm proud of what I've done.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm just honestly, it's a financial decision at this point.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: I thankfully I had good team and support it where
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: financially I made good decisions where I don't have to
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: do that anymore. And my body is important to me.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: My time with my family's important to me. So I'm
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: in the one making decisions now and waiting for the
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: right opportunity with the right team. If that doesn't happen
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: and we can do this more often, that's cool too.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm enjoying it. Yeah, pig Sue, man, I
• 41:17
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  Speaker 2: You played against them? Yeah, we beat them. Two picks
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  Speaker 3: That's how we cut Oh I did Okay, we whispered
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• 41:32
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what. Yeah, something I didn't do somebody
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  Speaker 2: else else. Follow Logan on Instagram at Logan Ryan appreciate
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  Speaker 2: Here is LeVar Arrington. We're here with LaVar Arrington.
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  Speaker 3: So, being a former linebacker, were there ever such obvious
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  Speaker 3: play started because they didn't self scout themselves And you're like, oh,
• 43:14
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• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Was it ever that easy where you just go, well,
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: he's lined up here and this direction go get it.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: Have you ever watched my college highlights.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: At Penn Stay.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: I've seen like a YouTube greatest hits, but that doesn't
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: count because.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: It's like you were.
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  Speaker 3: You were a man amongst boys that look like they're
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: more so than you're predicting plays.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: That's that's that's that's film study. That's film study.
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: When you're when you're leaping over lines and hurdling, you know,
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: guys that are trying to block you, that's because you've
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: studied them so much and you found that tendency and
• 43:46
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• 43:49
  Speaker 6: his head his shoulders following, that means he's trying to
• 43:52
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• 43:54
  Speaker 6: you make yourself look really good on stuff that you
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: do and look look real cool on the film and
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: the footage that go to like all of the sports outlets,
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Bobby. So yet, you absolutely
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: can study not only what the team's personality is as
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: to what they do and downs and distances, but you
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: can also study the players themselves specifically in terms of
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: what it is that they're going to do. So absolutely
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: that's and that's both sides. You got a self scout
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: defensively by position, you got to do it offensively as well.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: You were drafted second overall on year two thousand. How
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: long until special, Matt? Yeah, special, it's very it's very coo.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: How long till you?
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: That's what I got.
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: That's that's why I got that nice little, uh, you know,
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: stairwell casing right there?
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: You see that?
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt that. You know, you got a lot
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: of money when you got a casing on a stairwell,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: not just a rail. You know, you like a design
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: like that. How long until you get a paycheck?
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: What you mean when you get drafted like here, he
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: is the number two overall pick at the time.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: You gotta sign. Well, see that's the thing. You gotta
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: be signed.
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: So you're drafted and they said that they are taking you,
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: but you still got to get a contract done. When
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: you go number one, you go number two, you can
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: get started on that process immediately. That could actually happen
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: before they even call your name. Sometimes it drags out
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: and they call guys holdouts, but you really, in theory
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: and by definition, you can't really be a holdout because
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: you haven't been officially hired, right, You got to sign
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: the paperwork. You guys got to agree to the deal,
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: and now you've become an employee of the team. So
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: sometimes it gets done quick, sometimes it doesn't. I mean,
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: now with the slotting of contracts coming into the league,
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: it's pretty easy, like you're not going to have guys
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: holding out. There's like a few things that you have
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: to talk through in terms of guarantees and options and
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: stuff like that, but pretty much the contract is pretty
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: much the contract for rookies coming into the draft, which
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: it was a little different in two thousand when.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: I came in.
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: We actually negotiated a deal and you could actually get
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: a really really favorable and big deal before having ever
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: played a down of football in the league. So it
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: depends you could get it as early as the night
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: before the draft, before they call your name.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: If you're the number one guy.
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: You could have your deal done before you they even
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: call your name, or it could go well into camp
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: before you get a deal done.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: But how long until you felt like you were rich?
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: I was never poor though, yeah, but rich.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: And poor and not poor two different things. You don't
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: you don't get a casing like that.
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: Wealthy I'll say ahead, when did I feel wealthy. Probably,
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't think I've ever felt wealthy.
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: I don't think i've ever first first.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Time that check hits, I'm feeling pretty good, you're.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Feeling I felt.
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: I felt good, you know, I'll tell you I probably
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: only looked at three or four texts.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: In my entire career.
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: Man, Like, I just I made sure my money was
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: was in in the proper places, but I just never was.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: It never was big to me to obsess over it,
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: I felt like, you did it for so long to
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: get to where you can make that that type of
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: you know, that type of wage doing what it is
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: that you love to do. So once I made it,
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: I kind of felt like if I got too deep
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: into that aspect.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: Of it, I might lose the essence of who I was.
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: So I still stayed hungry, like I had never even
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: accomplished or achieved anything, you know, to begin with. I mean,
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: I did walk into a Ferrari dealership with with a
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: pair of like raggedy shorts on and and a torn
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: up practice T shirt and some flip flops and mess
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: around with a salesperson, and they wanted to kick me
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: out and have me remove from the premises, and and
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: I did end up buying a three sixty Medina right
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: there on the spot from from the actual another salesperson
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: who came out and was actually very cordial and kind
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: to me.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: I did.
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: I did flex a few times. I definitely flexed, but
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: I just wasn't obsessed by it. So I don't know
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: that I ever felt like I was like, Oh, you
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: made it, and oh you're rich and stuff like that.
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: I've just always kind of been on to the next.
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: It's like just trying to keep accomplishing. And that might
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: be a corny answer, but Bobby, I'm just telling you,
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: I'm still like that to this day. That's why I'm
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: on this phone call interview with you, right because I'm
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: with iHeart, I'm with Fox Sports Radio. I just continue
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: to just kind of keep building what it is that
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: I do.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: Just stay hungry, umbling hungry.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: I was listening to Calhart's podcast and I heard Up
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: on Game come on the promo you guys do for
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Up on Game, and it was it's you and who's
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Manzada and Plexico And Yeah, I was like, dang, that
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: is like a legit group of guys here talking about Yeah.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: So I appreciate.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: How did you three come together to do this show?
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: Well, I was an evil scientist. You know.
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: Receivers are the most touched special individuals.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: That you'll ever meet that that play football.
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: So they're very they're very uh interesting, we'll say, and
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: how they view the world around them. And TJ and
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: Plexico even in particular, more specifically, are very touched and
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  Speaker 6: very special. TJ has such a strong, pronounced underdog boulder
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• 49:25
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• 49:29
  Speaker 6: being the one that kind of facilitates the discussions. As
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: a linebacker, I like to create and instigate like we
• 49:37
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• 49:47
  Speaker 6: you hear a lot of cool things being tossed around
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  Speaker 3: You guys can check out Levar's podcast network it's also
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• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Final question, LeVar, who was.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: The quarterback that you hated being lined up across from
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: because he was also reading you as much as you
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: were reading him, if not more.
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  Speaker 6: Quarterback that I didn't like the most, that I hated
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: the most.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: And not personally.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: But you knew you also couldn't fall into your tendencies
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: because if he sees you do this, he's going to
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: exactly where you're going.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: Pete Manning, dopest quarterback ever to me, what separated his ACU? Simple?
• 50:39
  Speaker 6: He just it was he was like a cyborg half man,
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: half machine man, half half computer, half like artificial intelligence,
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: like a cyborg type dude, you know, and you could
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: tell he was analyzed. Dear, do that just read alert
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: like like real real computer like man like Peyton Manning
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: was to do.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: Listen, you guys, go subscribed up on Game and you
• 51:06
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• 51:08
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• 51:11
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• 51:11
  Speaker 2: It sounds like you're always giving your opinion on something
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: like you are in the opinion game.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: Now you're on every show. You got, like seventeen shows
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: you're doing here. So congratulations, Hey.
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: Bobby Bones, appreciate it, man, I appreciate the plug. I
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: appreciate you having me on that LeVar.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, buddy. Hopefully I'll see you soon.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: Sounds good, man, Appreciate you all.
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