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Hey, everybody, it's Jeff. I wanted to let you know this podcast
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episode was recorded on Tuesday, February sixth, twenty twenty four, So by
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the time you hear this, some things may have changed here or there,
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but we hope you enjoy this Opposition Territory show. All right, folks,
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welcome to Opposition Territory here at the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest
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running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world, that's right over ten and
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a half years strong. We got a great discussion coming your way about a
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specific NFL team that has certainly gone through some changes over the years. They're
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going to continue to go through some changes here during this NFL off season,
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and that is New England Patriots. Yeah. I know. Look, may
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not necessarily be Eagles Nation's favorite team out there, even second favorite team out
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there by any stretch of the imagination. However, what's interesting to me is
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where the dynamics are within this team in this organization, what their ownership is
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going to be doing in terms of taking this team to hopefully that next level
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at some point in the near future. So what's the quarterback situation gonna look
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like, Offensive coordinators, defensive coordinators. There's a lot of new stuff happening
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with regard to this Patriots team, and I think we've got a great discussion
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that's gonna be coming your way, so stick around for it. And it
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is great to have her back on the podcast joining us from Musketfire dot Com.
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You know, I love our fans sided sites out there, and she's
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talking to us about this new England Patriots team. What's gonna be happening in
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this offseason and beyond with them. As I mentioned during the intro, we
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have the one and only Sarah Marshall. How you doing, Sarah, I'm
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pretty good. How are you? I'm doing all right, you know,
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I mean, being an Eagles fan. I'm actually happy that it's the off
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season right now. They're making some decisive coaching changes, and I'm happy because
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the end of the season, as you know for us Eagles fans, was
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a complete and utter disaster. And it's great to have you on because there
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is this team in the new England Patriots that I find extremely intriguing as we
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are here in the off season, because this is because there's some similarities,
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you know, with the with the Philadelphia Eagles have been going through in terms
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of coaching changes to what is happening in New England. I think it's fascinating.
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It is as a fan as well. I mean, I think it's
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a little bit more exciting than most people might think in this situation. But
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you know, as many questions as there there is at this point, it's
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a lot of exciting things that are happening at the same time. Like it's
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been twenty plus years since we've had this like massive change. So yeah,
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it is fascinating to watch and see where they're trying to go. Yeah.
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Absolutely again, folks, we're talking to Sarah Marshall from Musketfire dot Com.
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Follow her on Twitter at s marsh xo. She is a great, great
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follow and we got to get into one of those big changes right off the
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bat right here. And I guess the million dollar question right out of the
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gate as somebody who is really in tuned to what's happening with this Patriots team
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here, and I'm sure Patriots Nation is just continuing to talk about this as
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well. It's the fact that Bill Belichick has not landed a head coaching position
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in the NFL. It didn't happen, just didn't happen for him. You
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know, whether it was front offices maybe being skeptical of bringing him on board
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for whatever reason. I'm wondering, what are your thoughts on why Bill Belichick
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just wasn't hired by another NFL team. I'm still scratching my head, honestly,
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you know. I mean, I think some people, at least fans
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were deterred about his age, which I'm still it's a fair argument, but
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you know, given how much he's accomplished his career, I don't know if
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you can really use that as something against him. But just based on what
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I've read, and I've continued to try and cover this as much as I
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can, it seems like it is the desire to have a lot of that
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power with the new team, and that those new teams are not open to
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that. Like he became such a huge part of the Patriots and wasn't willing
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to really give that up, you know, and I think that might have
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been a cause for some issues between him and owner Robert Kraft. And so
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if he's trying to do that with a new team, that's giving up a
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lot for a coach that one you're not familiar with because he's not been with
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your team. Right. And two, because of his age, you don't
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know how long he's going to be with you. It could be a two
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year rental of Belichick, you know, because he's seventy one years old at
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this point. So then forfeiting your right to the entire team, basically,
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I'm sure that's a little bit scary. I would imagine it is. And
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I think, you know, you know, I'm in my mid forties here,
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right. The one thing I have learned about human nature over the course
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of all these years is folks like to have control. And you're talking about
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Bill Belichick and the fact that he had so much control in this capacity basically
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like no other coach in NFL history, and can give them a decade exactly.
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To give up that control and and and the legacy that you leave behind
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with regard to that control, it has to be extremely difficult to do.
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And I can understand to an extent, you know, if I try to,
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you know, take you know, Eagles fandom. Cap Off can understand
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why why this man would not want to do that. I actually can understand
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that from a pure humanistic standpoint. Yeah, And that was why a lot
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of people think that he ended up leaving the Patriots because it. I mean,
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mister Kraft said about that too, like, oh, people asked him
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at the press conferences, had you considered him just being the head coach and
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not being the general manager and whatnot? And Kraft said, not really,
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because it's basically just taking everything away from him and it probably wouldn't work well.
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And I'm like, and other than that, the tension that was already
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alleged to be happening behind the scenes, that would probably only make it worse,
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right, So yeah, I just think that would have been a disaster.
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Yeah. Absolutely. Well, let's talk about another aspect of this team
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that you know, I've been thinking about and I think NFL fans in general
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have been thinking about as well, Sarah. And it's the fact that you
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know, you were reflective of these past couple seasons with regard to the quarterback
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position. Tom Brady was Tom Brady, and as someone on the outside like
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myself, you know, I get this feeling that his aura and that shadow
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it kind of still haunts Gillette Stadium and the quarterback position itself as it pertains
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to you know, where this team is going to be going with regard to
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that position. And I guess my two part question for you here would be
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what are your assessments of what the mac Jones experiment has been since Tom Brady
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has left the team years ago? And then I guess as a result,
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you know what happens with the quarterback position this offseason and even more from a
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long term standpoint. So I don't know, Maybe I want to start with
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the first ones. The first part of this, your assessment of you know
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what this mac Jones experiment has been over these years. So funny enough,
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I appear to have a more controversial opinion about mac Jones. I don't think
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it's controversial. I think I'm just being a human. But you know at
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Patriots Nation really does not like mac Jones. So me being an empathetic human
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that I am, I don't think that he was really given a fair shake
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from the beginning. I think the first year was great. You know,
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he had Josh McDaniel's, Bill Belichick had a pretty decent offense, nothing stellar,
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obviously, but coming into his fourth season in twenty twenty four, he
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will have his fourth offensive coordinator, his second head coach, and like an
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entirely new staff from like quarterbacks coach, everything like everything is going to be
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brand new, and other than that, he hasn't had, like I said,
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a stellar offense around him. It's been really nothing above average. Right,
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So, and then you know, you had Jacoby Myers who was his
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go to guy, and you let him go, you bring in Juju Smith
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Schuster who can't stay on the field. Like, there's just a bunch of
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messiness that's going on. And so for me, you know, I look
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at it like putting all of the blame on him is unfair. I think
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if there were if this weren't the Patriots, if this weren't a team that
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is universally hated by most other fan bases, there might be a little bit
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more understanding and leniency there given to him. You know, who else would
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you be saying, is it's it's fair that he had a former defensive coordinator
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who never worked with offenses calling the offense. No one would be saying that
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was fine exactly. I mean that happened to the Eagles Nation many many years
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ago, where there was an offensive line coach who was actually the defensive coordinator
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for a season under Andy Reid. It was a freaking disaster. It was
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terrible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And and that is something that.
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I think people are not understanding how much that impacts a player because we're talking
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about the second year of him coming into the NFL, Like you're in that
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it's like being a baby, you know, when you're an infant, when
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you're a toddler, you're in the developmental phase. So that's kind of how
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it is when you bring in a rookie quarterback. It's not an easy transition
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from college to the pros. And then you're going on to having a second
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offensive coordinator in two years and is a guy that has never worked with offenses.
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Yeah, and it's like it's it's a mess. So I think that
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your second question about like what's the long term? Yeah, what happens with
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the quarterback position this offseason and long term? Yeah? Yeah, So I
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think that it can go a couple ways. There's obviously a general consensus that
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people think they're going to take a quarterback third overall. I mean, how
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do you not? Right, You have the third overall pick, the first
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time that they've been anywhere near that high since they draft Drew Bledsoe in ninety
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three, So it feels like, Okay, you're in prime position. The
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problem is the top two quarterbacks, the ones that seem to be are being
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touted far and above everybody else are said to be going to the first two
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picks. So that leaves the Patriots in a decision like, Okay, do
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you like Jaden Daniels enough to take him at three or do you want to
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go the safe route and go Marvin Harrison Junior because he's supposed to be,
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you know, a generational talent and they need a receiver. So there's that.
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But then there's also the idea of them bringing in a bridge veteran,
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so you could sign some random quarterback, you know, like Kirk Cousins,
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Ryan Tannehill. There's talks of Baker Mayfield in New England. You can do
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that, which I don't personally like. I think that's putting a band aid
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on a gaping wound that you just don't want to deal with. And then
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there is the Mac Jones experiment, and it's you know, year four.
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We can see what new offensive coordinator Alex van pelt feelds about him. He
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might say, you know what, I like Mac Jones. I think we
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can get him back to how he looked as a rookie. I want to
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work with him and he deserves another shot, more possible now with Giron Mayo
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as the head coach and it were with Bill Belichick, who would publicly like
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not even say Mac Jones' name. Yep. Yeah, So there's a definitely
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a bunch of scenarios, and I think free agency is We're fortunate that free
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agency is going to be coming sooner than the draft because that's going to definitely
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give us some more answers. Yeah, going into the draft. It's a
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really good segue into the next topic, Sarah that I wanted to dive into,
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because like every team is going to be going through that analysis, and
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they already are going through that analysis of what they need to do in free
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agency and the draft at this point. So I'm wondering, where do you
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feel most comfortable with this Patriots team during this offseason. I mean, there's
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a lot of holes on this team just objectively looking at it on the outside,
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lots of holes, lots of needs. But where do you feel most
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comfortable with where the Patriots are, whether it's with a particular person, a
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player unit, whatever. Were you most comfortable the defense? Yep? Okay,
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I you know that has been the stronger side of the team. For
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I don't know. Basically, since Brady left, it's like we reverted back
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to the early two thousands Patriots where everything was run through the defense and they
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had like a mediocre offense plus Tom Brady obviously, so I think that,
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you know, they they remained very competitive till the end. They were the
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reason why the Patriots were winning games when people didn't want them to win games
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because they wanted the number one overall pick. So and a lot of that
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had been happening without Christian Gonzalez, who was a phenomenal player, was on
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track to being the defensive rookie of the year, and without Matthew Judon because
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they both left in Week four against the Cowboys. So we're gonna get both
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of those guys back, which is very exciting. There's gonna be guys that
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are going to free agency, obviously, but I think the defense is going
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to be a little safer. We also have a new head coach who played
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on the Patriots defense. It was just coaching the defense, so if he's
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anything like Belichick, he'll definitely favor that side of the side of the team.
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Okay, Well, on the flip side of things, here, where
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are you where are you least comfortable when it comes to this team, you
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know, in terms of your thoughts here, I mean, they're gonna need
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to spend a ton of money and draft capital, and is there a specific
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position or unit where they really need to hone in on this off season where
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you really want to see see holes field where you are the least comfortable,
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Like, where is that on the offensive side of the ball. Yeah,
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I was gonna say, I'm like the offense. Yeah, I would say
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my priority, I would say is offensive line and the wide receivers because they
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you know, we know Belichick hasn't liked to spend money. He has developed
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a way of building a team that's just good enough to win a lot of
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games. Obviously, but that was with Tom Brady. We don't have Tom
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Brady. No one has a Tom Brady right now. So I think that
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is a little scary. I think that that's part of what makes it scary
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is we don't know who the general manager is. Yea, they haven't named
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one. We have whispers of it being Elliott Wolf, especially after all these
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hires that have connections to where he's worked previously, which is it's okay because
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he has been with the Patriots for a few years. But yeah, the
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uncertainty of the GM, so we don't have any really guideline of how they
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might approach free agency, how they might approach the draft. Even though Belichick
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was a little bit unpredictable, we kind of knew, like, don't throw
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out the idea of him trading back and drafting a center in the first round,
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you know, because that was a Belichick thing to do. But we
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don't have that now. So that is what I think makes the whole thing
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a little bit more uncomfortable because there are positions that we need to address immediately,
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and one of them is the receivers. So it's like, you have
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to go out and spend this money this year. You can't keep ignoring it.
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Yeah, I do wonder, and I was going to get to this
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in a second, but I'll just I guess, just ask you right now
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straight up, because the roster construction for this Patriots team is going to be
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really really interesting to follow this offseason. I mean, do you think it's
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basically going to be a whole new team on the offensive side of the ball
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here, I mean, I mean, whether it's receivers, it's the trenches,
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which is desperately needed from an offensive standpoint for the Patriots here, is
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it really going to kind of be like an all new offense? Do you
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think in your opinion, I feel like, yeah, I think in a
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way it kind of passed to you. I think they should bring back some
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players. Obviously, we have some good players going to free agency, and
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I would like to see them come back. But I think it needs to
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have a full makeover. I mean, we don't even know who the quarterback
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is going to be, and if it's Mac Jones, we've seen how like
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just completely down he is, you know, like he doesn't look like a
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normal dude. He looks miserable out there, and a lot of the offense
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looked like that last year as well. So I think they have to do
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that if they want to try and make it to be a productive team again,
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to have an offense that, uh, you know is not crossed off
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on opponents being like, yeah, we don't care. That offense isn't scary,
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like you need to you need to do that absolutely, or yeah,
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we're gonna be stuck here forever and that is not not fun. I mentioned
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to you. I remember, I think it was one of the first times.
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We talked one of my good friends from Espianation, Mark Schofield, is
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actually going to be on the show this week. You know. Yeah,
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Mark's fantastic And I remember just years ago, and this was before Brady was
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retired, going to be leaving i should say, the Patriots and heading down
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to Tampa Bay. He just said, Jeff, we're going to be walking
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through the desert for a long time, meaning Patriots fans and the team.
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And it really seems like that certainly has been happening. You know, Mark
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was able to foresee that actually happening, and it I'm going to be more
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amazed at and intrigued as well at the new head coach, the new coordinators
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as well, Gerd Mayo. As we know new head coach, it's not
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just the scheme but the philosophy behind the scenes on how he is going to
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cultivate a culture and a winning culture. Inevitably Alex van Pelt, he's the
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new offensive coordinator, DeMarcus Covington as well defensive coordinator. Correct, Yes,
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I believe, yes, yeah, And I mean again, it just appears
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that there's going to be a new philosophical way of doing things here that Patriots
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Nation just hasn't seen in decades here. So what are your thoughts overall?
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Perhaps you know your fears or maybe what you're excited about in terms of this
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completely new coaching overhaul. I would say my fears are just I would assume
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it would probably be what anyone would feel at this point is just the inexperience,
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you know, And I think you get so comfortable with having a guy
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like Bill Belichick running your team that the idea of then bringing someone in who
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hasn't even been a coordinator, yeah, is a little scary. But this
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is a thing. And I'm not comparing the two but Eagles connection here.
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Andy Reid wasn't a coordinator before he was a head coach either, So people,
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I mean, I'm not saying Dromeo's a next to Andy Reid, but
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we have seen it be successful in the past. So I'm trying to keep
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that in my mind because that's been a huge thing that people are like,
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Mayo was not gonna be great, blah blah blah, we'll see, we'll
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see. Look John Harbaugh, I mean, you look at John Harball down
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in Baltimore and what he has John Harball or Jim Harball, which is I'm
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getting them confused because I can't. Yeah, it's John Harble, It's John
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Harba. I'm like Baltimore ever, remember, dear heavens, I hate Jim
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John Harbaugh down down in Baltimore. I mean, yes, he was a
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special teams coordinator, but it's like special teams coordinator and look, he's been
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there forever. So it does happen where these not so bright and shy offensive
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and defensive coordinators are actually able to contribute well to a team and for a
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very long period of time as our head coach. And I mean he's played
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for the Patriots and then worked for the Patriots, so it's like he's learned
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from the best, seen the best, and so I think that's something that
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is exciting. Is he you know you mentioned the culture. I think he's
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going to implement a new culture, but he's going to bring in the best
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of the Patriot way, which Tom Brady said he hates, but you know,
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he'll bring those best elements in. And I mean the players have already
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said like they're overjoyed. They're so excited, which is huge because they've looked,
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like I said, a miserable team. And so the fact that They're
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already embracing Mayo and excited to play, and a bunch of free agents have
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already said I want to come back because Mayo is the coach. Yeah,
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that's huge. So I think that's part of the excitement that I have as
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well, because, as I said at the top of the show, like
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this is the first time in twenty years that we're having this big of a
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massive change, and I think it's time. Although I wouldn't be mad if
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we kept Belichick for another season, I think there is just a need for
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a shift here. So I'm excited. I'm trying I'm an optimistic gal,
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so I'm trying to keep that, but I'm very excited. All right,
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Well again, folks, we're talking to Sarah Marshall from Musketfire dot Com.
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Check out everything her and her colleagues are doing over there, really great,
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great reporting on the New England Patriots. Follow her on Twitter at s marsh
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XO. She is a great great follow Twitter x whatever you want to call
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it. But the final topic I wanted to dive into here, Sarah,
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was the fact that the Patriots are going to have an estimated seventy million dollars
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in cap space probably. I mean, I think it's maybe going to be
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more than that. I've seen reports where possibly seventy three million, seventy five
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million AS and much of that is going to be dedicated to certainly bringing in
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some free agents. I mean, that's that's a lot of money, that's
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a lot of cap room. I mean, offensive line, I even think
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a stud pass rusher, you know, basically acquiring talent in the trenches really
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should be a priority for them in free agency. You've already discussed, you
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know, the offensive line, but what are your thoughts on positions not only
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they need to address, but are there specific free agents that really might be
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good for this team as we're you know, looking at where this offseason is
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going. So I've said it already, but I'm going to say it again
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him emphasize the need for veteran free agent receivers. So, you know,
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the only receivers that they have under contract for twenty twenty four are Devonte Parker,
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Juju Smith, Schuster, and Damario Douglas. You can say kaishaon Booty,
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but we don't know what's going on with him, So I don't know
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that that's a rough list right there. Yeah, So you know, I'm
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glad that they extended Parker because they did that last season. I'm glad,
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I'm like, because otherwise they didn't really have anybody. But that's not anything
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that's exciting to look forward to. And there are a lot of great feagents
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that are going to be available this year, so I think it's more critical
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for them to go all in and get these some of these guys, because
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if you go with a rookie quarterback, having a veteran receiver is definitely a
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lot easier for him to transition. Then throw in a rookie receiver with him
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too, And then of course, if you're gonna go with even a veteran
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Bridge or mac Jones, give them a reliable guy that you can't then blame
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the quarterback, you know, for not doing their job well. So the
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main ones, and this will be for probably any team that needs a receiver.
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It's like t Higgins, he's young, he's playing behind Jamar Chase.
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The Bengals are probably not going to be able to pay all of them,
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right, so come over here, buddy, get paid in New England,
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you know. Or even Mike Evans he's a little bit older, but come
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on, Yeah, every season basically, what is it, ten of eleven
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of his seasons or something like that have been a thousand yards Like that guy
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is incredible. Michael Pittman Junior. I know that talks of him being tagged
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or being staying in Indie, but another guy that's younger and capable. So
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I'm all in on those guys. And then of course there's the offensive line.
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I'm not that great about who is available with the for free agents of
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offensive line, but the Patriots do you have Mike onwinw got to keep him,
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Please keep him. Trent Brown would be a great guy to keep if
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you can keep him motivated. That has been the biggest issue with Trent Brown
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is not having him check out by the end of the year. Belichick's gone
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now, so that might be a factor to keep him, especially if they're
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not going to take a guy like Joe Alt third overall in the in the
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draft. So I'm definitely that's the focus. Mayo has already said he's willing
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to burn some cash, and I'm like, please do it, please,
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We're begging you. Please. She is Sarah Marshall Folks from Musketfire dot Com
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as always my friend, who was great talking to you about this Patriots team.
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I'd love to talk to you more about some NFL storylines as where you
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know, moving forward through the off season over the summer. I'd love to
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have you on the show again, my friend. Yes, please do.
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I'm always down to talk about anything, especially the Patriots, but I'm good
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with anything, so I'd love to It's always great talking to Sarah. And
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of course I think there's gonna be some trying times for this new England Patriots
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team and organization in the future based on our conversation here. Look, it's
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a team that's going to need to build in different areas of the offense.
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In terms of the defense, as we were just talking about what is their
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spot going to be in the foreseeable future within the AFC East. It's going
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to be interesting to watch for sure. So that's going to do it for
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terrible information by the way over on that site, so kind of staying away
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from it every now and again. Anyway, love the discussion here in Opposition
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Territory. We got a great regular show coming this week where Mark Schofield from
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SB Nation is going to be jumping on with us to talk about this NFL
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offseason, you know, getting ready for the draft, getting ready for free
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agency, what we're going to be seeing from not only various teams, but
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you know what it's like kind of behind the scenes as well. Can't wait
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for that discussion, Mark, and of course my co hosts. I think
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I'm not I think Eric's gonna be on this week. We'll have to wait
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and see here, So all right, folks, you all take care of
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we'll catch you next time, all right.