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The Intel With Greg Cosell: Very Strong, Very Diverse Class Of NFL Draft EDGE Prospects · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome back to the Intel with Greg Cosel. On
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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds, I'm Jeff Mosher with Adam Kaplan, and
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  Speaker 1: of course we've got Greg Cosell and we continue to
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  Speaker 1: get Greg's tape breakdowns of NFL draft prospects for the
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and twenty six NFL Draft, and it's right
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  Speaker 1: around the corner and Greg, this is one of the
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  Speaker 1: episodes that everybody always looks forward to. People love edge rushers.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna go through all the great edge rushers in
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  Speaker 1: this draft. We know the Eagles and many other teams
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  Speaker 1: put a lot of priority and emphasis on that position,
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  Speaker 1: and you can't have enough. And in this draft, in
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  Speaker 1: this draft, it seems like there's there's a decent amount
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  Speaker 1: of them. Would you say, like, you've you enjoyed going
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  Speaker 1: through the variety of edge rushers in this.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's interesting you say that because I've
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  Speaker 2: been through a Oh, I don't know a good amount
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  Speaker 2: and there's a variety of edge players, not all of
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  Speaker 2: them would I categorize as edge of rushers in a
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  Speaker 2: strict sense, And I think that's an important distinction to make.
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  Speaker 2: There are some players who are sort of prototypical four
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  Speaker 2: to three d ms who are good players and good prospects,
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  Speaker 2: but if you're looking solely for an edge rusher, they
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  Speaker 2: may not be the guy you want. So we tend
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  Speaker 2: to categorize everybody who plays on the edge as an
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  Speaker 2: edge rusher, but it's it's not always the case. So
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  Speaker 2: and we'll get to that as we go through some
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  Speaker 2: individual names. But I think it's important for people to
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  Speaker 2: understand up front that not every one of these guys
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  Speaker 2: is a quote unquote age rusher. That if you draft them, wow,
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  Speaker 2: you've got a rusher. Right, you might have a good
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  Speaker 2: football player, but he might not be a great rusher.
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  Speaker 3: It's a great point on that point you just made.
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  Speaker 3: I'll never forget a friend of mine who who's had
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  Speaker 3: IOWA over the years. Your friend, Yeah, actually I do
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  Speaker 3: have them, believe or not. I don't have to actually
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  Speaker 3: don't pay them to be my friend. But anyway, sours exactly.
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  Speaker 3: I remember a Gesa. I said, hey, ye I think
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  Speaker 3: we'll go on the first or second round.
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  Speaker 4: What are your thoughts?
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  Speaker 3: He goes, he's a power end, he's not an edge rusher. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he goes, he can do it, and he actually got
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  Speaker 3: better at it with Buffalo But this goes Jeff on
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  Speaker 3: what Greg talked about.
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  Speaker 4: You have to differentiate what an NT rusher is and.
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  Speaker 3: What a power end is power and is generally more
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  Speaker 3: of a This is what a friend of mine who
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  Speaker 3: was a coach told me when I started calling the league.
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  Speaker 3: Explain it to me to help me out to think.
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  Speaker 3: When I talked about, like we're talking about with Greg,
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  Speaker 3: power rusher is the run side. He might be a
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  Speaker 3: pass rusher, but he's there more as a run stopper.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Vinny Curry twenty seventeen for the Eagles power rusher
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  Speaker 1: Vinny Curry rusher too. Oh yes, he could. He could
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  Speaker 1: pressure on first and second down, but he would ordinarily
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  Speaker 1: come off and nickel and they would go a little
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  Speaker 1: lighter and smaller on the edge of it.
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  Speaker 2: And it's funny. And I mentioned Epanessa because he's a
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  Speaker 2: really good example in that. And I believe he was
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  Speaker 2: a second round pick. He was, and and he's you know,
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  Speaker 2: I guess he's technically back with Buffalo because he failed
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  Speaker 2: his physical in Cleveland, so I don't know where his
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  Speaker 2: status is, But that's irrelevant for this conversation. The point
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  Speaker 2: is is that he's a good example of what I
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  Speaker 2: was trying to the point I was trying to make
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  Speaker 2: you know, big kid, solid kid, good against the run,
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  Speaker 2: physical power player, but not a true path rusher. You're
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  Speaker 2: not drafting him to rush the quarterback, right.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why I like doing when we do this
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  Speaker 1: podcast every year, because we try to make sure we
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  Speaker 1: give a great understanding of every prospect, best scheme fit.
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  Speaker 1: You know, more of a four to three guy, are
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  Speaker 1: there more of an outside linebacker in a five to two.
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  Speaker 1: So we will make sure that we handle all of
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  Speaker 1: that criteria as we go through each prospect. And Greg,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna start with Texas Tech's David Bailey, one of
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  Speaker 1: the top edge prospects in the draft. What do you
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  Speaker 1: see in his tape?
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  Speaker 4: Now? He is an edge rusher.
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  Speaker 5: There's no getting around that fact with David Bailey because
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  Speaker 5: David Bally, you know, we all of us huge terms
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  Speaker 5: as we evaluate and quote unquote scout, you know Twitchy Sudden,
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  Speaker 5: He's that guy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he is sudden off the ball. He can
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  Speaker 2: challenge both the high side, meaning the outside shoulder of
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  Speaker 2: the tackle. He can then work back underneath. He has moves,
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  Speaker 2: he has club moves, he has rip moves. He can
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  Speaker 2: close with speed to the quarterback. He has enough bend
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  Speaker 2: in flexibility to flatten his rush path. That's something if
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  Speaker 2: people have listened to me and us for a number
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  Speaker 2: of years, they know how important that is and how
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  Speaker 2: I talk about that, and what I mean by that
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  Speaker 2: is when you get to the top of the arc
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  Speaker 2: on the outside, you have to be able then to
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  Speaker 2: flatten your rush path. Otherwise you just get pushed past
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback. There's a lot of guys who can show
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  Speaker 2: some bursts right off the ball, guys as you well know,
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  Speaker 2: but then what happens is that they can't really bend
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  Speaker 2: and they can't flatten, so they just get pushed past
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback. Barey can flatten his rush path and then
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  Speaker 2: close with speed. So as an edge player, he's got
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  Speaker 2: what it takes as a rusher. You know, it'll be
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  Speaker 2: interesting to see how he's seen. The player who probably
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  Speaker 2: came to my mind when I was watching David Bally
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  Speaker 2: to some degree was was someone like a Nick Benito.
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  Speaker 2: And Benito came out of Oklahoma, and he was not
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  Speaker 2: a high first round pick obviously, but we and I
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  Speaker 2: really liked his tape a lot. But we see what
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  Speaker 2: he's developed into. So what Benito is is in a
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  Speaker 2: base front, it's a five to two, so he's a
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  Speaker 2: stand up outside backer. But then of course in their
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  Speaker 2: four man subfronts in Denver, he's an edge pass rusher.
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  Speaker 2: That to me is the way I see David Bailey.
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  Speaker 4: Can he let me ask a question? Yeah, I just
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  Speaker 4: on on the edge rush group and over you.
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  Speaker 3: This is a general question because I don't think we've
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  Speaker 3: ever actually talked about this way. How much is arm
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  Speaker 3: length too important when you grade these players when you
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  Speaker 3: watch the tape for a rusher?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny you say that, because I think it's
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  Speaker 2: how you deploy that. You know, some guys don't use
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  Speaker 2: their arms really well. Other guys with the one arm
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  Speaker 2: stab and their use of their arms to create space
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  Speaker 2: and separation so that they can still use their legs effectively.
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  Speaker 2: Some guys do that really really well. Some guys with
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  Speaker 2: long arms at him don't do that well. So arm length, yes,
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  Speaker 2: if you're putting arm length in a vacuum as an
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  Speaker 2: abstract trait, you definitely say it's important. But then it
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  Speaker 2: comes down to how each individual rusher uses his arm length.
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  Speaker 2: You know, some guys use it really really well, and
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  Speaker 2: other guys don't, so you know, it's really an individual thing.
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  Speaker 2: But Bailey getting just getting back to Bailey for a sec.
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  Speaker 2: He's interesting in that he's showed multiple pass rush moves
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  Speaker 2: with a lot of tools in his toolbox, and that's
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  Speaker 2: not often the case with college pass rushers. He saw
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  Speaker 2: speed to power, rippin swiite, inside spin. He's got a
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  Speaker 2: really good inside spin move. I'm not going to sit
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  Speaker 2: here and say it reminded me of Dwight Freeny, but
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  Speaker 2: he had a really good insight spin moves.
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  Speaker 4: So, and he's got.
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  Speaker 2: Really good reactive athleticism. He can change direction extremely well.
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  Speaker 3: So the reason why I asked about Armlouth is because
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  Speaker 3: there's always sort of like a controversial player for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 4: And when we look at Reuben Bain, yeah he's going in.
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  Speaker 3: The first round. But Greg, he's got less than thirty
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  Speaker 3: one inch arms. So I'm interested to what your thought
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  Speaker 3: process was if you watch it.
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  Speaker 2: And he's a really good football player. And that's such
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  Speaker 2: a hard question to answer. I mean, obviously, many different
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  Speaker 2: people have many different points of view. Smart people. I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking coaches, you know, not the social media world. You know,
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  Speaker 2: there are some coaches who believe that in the NFL
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  Speaker 2: he's not going to be able to do what he
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  Speaker 2: did in college. There's other coaches who believe, Man, this
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  Speaker 2: guy is just a hyper physical, competitive, tenacious guy and
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  Speaker 2: he's going to do a lot of what he did
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  Speaker 2: in college. You you have to make the decision as
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  Speaker 2: to what you think he is. I would bet on
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  Speaker 2: some teams boards he's not a top five player. I
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  Speaker 2: would bet on other teams boards he is. But like
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  Speaker 2: I said, at the end of the day, he's a
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  Speaker 2: sawed off guy. He's not long, but he's super competitive.
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  Speaker 2: He's super physical. The primary foundation of his game is
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  Speaker 2: power and physicality. That's his game. He's a plus athlete,
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  Speaker 2: but not a sudden twitchy athlete. The player who sort
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  Speaker 2: of came to my mind when I was watching him
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  Speaker 2: and Eagles fans well knows exactly who I mean here.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of thought of Brandon Graham when I was
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  Speaker 2: watching Okay, because Brandon Graham was not tall. He's kind
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  Speaker 2: of sawed off as well, not long, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: kind of explosive in a powerful way, not explosive necessarily
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  Speaker 2: in a twitchy way. You know, and obviously we know
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  Speaker 2: Graham his first couple of years it was a slow
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  Speaker 2: star and then he became just a really solid player,
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  Speaker 2: you know, not a superstar. But look, the guy's played
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  Speaker 2: what he says, he's coming back. So what's he going
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  Speaker 2: into his twelve thirteenth year, you know, something like that.
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  Speaker 4: And he's been a really.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, even more than that, Yeah, I mean, he's been.
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  Speaker 2: A really solid pro. You know, Now, if you draft
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  Speaker 2: Ruben Bain in the top five, you would want him
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  Speaker 2: to be no knock.
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  Speaker 6: On Brandon Graham that you know, I love Brandon Graham,
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  Speaker 6: but no, but you would want him to be more
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  Speaker 6: than that. If you draft him in the top five,
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  Speaker 6: you would want him to be a dominant edge player.
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  Speaker 6: And to me, he's a pure four to three d
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  Speaker 6: N He's not a stand up player.
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  Speaker 1: And do you do you think? Okay, so do you
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  Speaker 1: think those dimensions that that parlay?
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  Speaker 4: Is my question?
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, do we read his I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if we gave the he is six foot two
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  Speaker 1: but two hundred and sixty three pounds, which is a
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  Speaker 1: better built as you can get for an edge prospect.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that limits also the moveability of a
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  Speaker 1: player like that. You're not gonna joke, make him a joker.
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  Speaker 1: You just said you can't stand him up. You're probably
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  Speaker 1: just gonna line him up, most likely over one tackle,
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  Speaker 1: I would think, and just have him rushed.
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  Speaker 2: And I think I think that's fair. I mean that's
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  Speaker 2: the way I see him. Maybe others see him differently.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're dealing with a guy his game's power.
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  Speaker 2: He's got strong, heavy hands, he's got grip strength, he
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  Speaker 2: can control and displace offensive tackles. You know, he's that's
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  Speaker 2: who he is. I don't think there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: mystery to what he is. And you know, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think you know, it's not like and we'll get to
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  Speaker 2: I assume we'll get to r VL Reese. Yes, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: to me, he's not like Reese in the sense that
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna move Bane all around. I don't think he's
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  Speaker 2: that guy. I think he's a four to three d ND.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to stay with Miami, though, Greg, just
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  Speaker 1: to do a little compare contrast with their other edge rusher,
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  Speaker 1: Akeem messidor who another like it. Well, he's not built
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  Speaker 1: exactly the same, but he's two sixty good way to
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  Speaker 1: six foot three. Not the tallest guy in the world.
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  Speaker 1: You want like usually six' five around the edges unless
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  Speaker 1: a guy has incredible speed or speed to. Power what
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  Speaker 1: did you see from From mesador by?
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  Speaker 4: Contrast, yeah and he's.
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  Speaker 2: DIFFERENT i mean he's he's a twin to your. ATHLETE
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  Speaker 2: i mean he has that sudden quickness off the. Ball
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  Speaker 2: when he's lined up as sort of in a wide nine,
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  Speaker 2: alignment he can generate velocity with his. Burst he can
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  Speaker 2: get to the top of the pass rush arc in a.
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  Speaker 2: Hurry he showed a good ability to play off, contact
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  Speaker 2: which Obviously vain can do as. Well he did show
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  Speaker 2: speed to, power BUT i thought he had a good
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  Speaker 2: feel for. It don't forget he's an older player with
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  Speaker 2: a lot of. Experience SO i thought he did a
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  Speaker 2: really good job of setting up speed to power with
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  Speaker 2: pace and tempo through the early part of the, rush
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  Speaker 2: because don't, forget when you do speed to, power you're
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  Speaker 2: not just running right into the. Tackle you're trying to
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  Speaker 2: get the tackle in a position where when you do
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  Speaker 2: go into him that you can get inside of. Him
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  Speaker 2: because if you're going to do speed to power and
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  Speaker 2: can't get inside of, him he's just gonna stop. You
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  Speaker 2: SO i Thought messidor was a guy that had a
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  Speaker 2: plan as a pass. RUSHER i thought he'd used jab.
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  Speaker 2: STEPS i thought he used hand. Usage he did a
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  Speaker 2: good job of pairing his footwork with his hand. Usage
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  Speaker 2: but he's a different player Than ruben bayin he is
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  Speaker 2: he's a little more naturally.
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  Speaker 3: Explosive the Term greg is looking for. Work you, know the, Players,
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  Speaker 3: OKAY i got this, move AND i got something else for.
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  Speaker 3: YOU i got something else for.
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  Speaker 4: YOU i love that.
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  Speaker 3: Term, coaches you, said, oh he's always looking for. WORK
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  Speaker 3: i love that sounds of that type of.
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  Speaker 1: Player it is interesting to, Me greg That miami got
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  Speaker 1: really good production out of two guys who don't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: fit that size measurable profile on the. Edges so you,
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  Speaker 1: know obviously, YEAH.
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  Speaker 4: I, mean, look he was fifty nine at the.
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  Speaker 2: Combine you, KNOW i guess in TODAY'S, nfl you, know
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  Speaker 2: could he be a stand, up you, know outside. BACKER
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  Speaker 2: i mean, AGAIN i see him more as a as
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  Speaker 2: a four to THREE d. End do people look at
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  Speaker 2: two fifty nine as being too light to be a
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  Speaker 2: four to THREE D m in a base? DEFENSE i
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  Speaker 2: think that becomes scheme and team, specific you, KNOW i
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  Speaker 2: don't think that's that's an Automatic, no he can't do,
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  Speaker 2: it BUT i you, KNOW i think it depends on the.
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  Speaker 4: Team.
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  Speaker 1: YEAH i Think Trent cole played around through sixty. Earlier,
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  Speaker 1: yeah got. Drafted he's a little TALLER i think than,
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  Speaker 1: that but you know they made it.
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  Speaker 2: WORK i don't, WELL i don't Remember cole being taller than,
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  Speaker 2: that but you.
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  Speaker 4: Couldn't.
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  Speaker 3: Greg the next guy has got tremendous size and That's
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  Speaker 3: keldrick fof Of.
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  Speaker 4: Alburn what are your thoughts on?
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  Speaker 2: Him, Yeah Keldrick fak is a fascinating player BECAUSE i
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  Speaker 2: DON'T i don't think he would be, drafted AND i
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  Speaker 2: could be dead, wrong you, KNOW i don't Think keldrick
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  Speaker 2: falk is going to be drafted as a pure edge.
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  Speaker 2: Player to be honest with, You Keldrick fawk is to
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  Speaker 2: me one of the most intriguing guys to watch because
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  Speaker 2: he is really. Strong he is. Powerful he's six six
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  Speaker 2: to seventy. Six now you talk about a guy with arm,
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  Speaker 2: Length he's thirty four and three. Eighth his wingspan is
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  Speaker 2: over eighty. TWO i, mean he he looks the. Part you,
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  Speaker 2: know watching, him the question that arose to me was
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  Speaker 2: what's his best position as you project and transition into
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  Speaker 2: the next. Level and my sense is different evaluators and
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  Speaker 2: coaches will have different answers to that. QUESTION i mean
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  Speaker 2: At auburn they moved him around a. LOT i mean
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  Speaker 2: he basically lined up anywhere from zero technique and one
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  Speaker 2: technique to you know to why. Nine so when you draft,
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  Speaker 2: him what is he in your? DEFENSE i, mean, foundationally
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  Speaker 2: he's a speed to power pass. Rusher he's got great,
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  Speaker 2: length he's got, strong heavy. Hands the more tape you,
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  Speaker 2: watch you see enough lateral quickness and coordination with his
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  Speaker 2: calculated hand usage to be an effective. Rusher but he's
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  Speaker 2: not a pure edge in the sense just put him out, there,
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  Speaker 2: man and watch this guy. Go you, know he's not that,
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  Speaker 2: guy the guy he reminded me of. Stylistically, OKAY i
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  Speaker 2: hope people understand they've listened to me enough to know
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  Speaker 2: that WHEN i make these, comparisons they're not off an
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  Speaker 2: Exact watching, HIM i ended up thinking Of Bill belichick
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  Speaker 2: and the way that he Deployed Richard seymour.
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  Speaker 4: Back in the.
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  Speaker 2: Day, now Obviously seymour's A hall Of famer and a great.
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  Speaker 2: Place so AS i, said it's not apples to apples
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  Speaker 2: with the, Player but you, Know seymour was what he
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  Speaker 2: might have weighed over three hundred and. Five, yeah But
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  Speaker 2: falk at six six to seventy, SIX i almost feel
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  Speaker 2: like he's that kind of. Player then you can line
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  Speaker 2: him up in multiple positions and power is his game
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  Speaker 2: and he's not a, pure pure edge in my view, anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Would you would? You how would you? Compare because that
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  Speaker 1: size stood out to, me AND i guess just from
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  Speaker 1: what we, DO i immediately thought of like A jail
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  Speaker 1: And phillips type of edge with that that.
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  Speaker 2: Length he's not as he's not as juicy As. Phillips.
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  Speaker 2: THIS i, mean this kid's not slow and. PLOTTING i
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  Speaker 2: don't get me, wrong but he's not sudden and. Twitchy
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  Speaker 2: that's not really his.
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  Speaker 3: Game, So, greg WHAT i recall from watching tape in
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  Speaker 3: the mid two thousands of view And jaws On Richard, seymour,
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: fact you guys should point this. Out you would, say
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: watch him as they too gap, here watch him take
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: on right two blocker and it was really impressive the
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: way That seymour would do it because he.
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: Had a great. LENGTH.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: Yep now Was seymour because again they were thirty, four
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: he was a was he a five?
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: TECHNIQUE i know he can move around.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Well he played both THE n AND d tackle Because,
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: belichick you, know was a big guy multiple.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: FRONTS i, mean he didn't find up at one.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Front you see how good of a pass rusher Was
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: seymour that you recall good but not.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: Like and oh my, god you know you know What i'm.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: SAYING i mean you think of him as as a you,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: know true edge pass. RUSHING i mean obviously you, know,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: look the guy's A hall Of, Famer So i'm not
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: going to sit here and tell you that he wasn't really.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Good BUT i mean if you look at his sack
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: totals through his, career the most Sacks Richard seymour had
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: in any one season was. Eight and he's A hall Of, famer.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, right, ye all, Right.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Greg you, know the last few, years we would come
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: across a prospect at this position where you just wouldn't
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: be sure at THE nfl level where he would best be.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: USED i think About Nolan, smith where you weren't sure
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: coming out would he be an, edge would he be an?
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: LINEBACKER i Think Jalen walker was the guy last year
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: to fit that. Bill and here we have Rvel res
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: out Of Ohio state who has a lot of very interesting,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: qualities AND i wonder if you have the same kind
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: of thoughts on exactly WHAT nfl teams will do with.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Him, Well olive Bel reech is another guy that different
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: people are gonna have different points of, view and there's
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: no right or.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: WRONG i, MEAN I i.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: See him down the, road, okay and again he was
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: six' four one at the combine two.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Forty one is, you know.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: It's not necessarily what you want as let's say a
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: four to three d n but he certainly could be
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: a five to two outside backer and obviously he played
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Stackedbacker At. Ohio STATE but i just LOVED what i
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: saw from him rushing. THE quarterback i think that there's
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: so much there to cultivate. And develop And again i'm
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: not gonna say sit here and Say He's micah, parsons
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: exactly but he had some rushes with just sheer power
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: and the way he used the one arm stab AND that, I,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: thought wow this guy just has that feel. To, me
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: now is that the way he's going to come into
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: the league or will teams put him.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: At at stacked?
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Linebacker initially, you know which obviously if you look at
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: what he Did At ohio state. Last year he played
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: almost an equal number of snaps at stackbacker and on,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: the edge and so he's obviously got a lot of
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: experience in a pro style defense because It Was, matt
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: patricia who has some as people, probably Know Was bill
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: belichick's defensive coordinator for Years In new england and then
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: he was the head Coach with alliance for a number.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Of years so it was a it was a pro
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: style approach.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: To defense.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: So the, question is, you know early in, his career
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: as he sort, of learning could he best be deployed
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: as a weak side stacked linebacker in a seam that
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: essentially allows him to run and chase and hit and
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: play sidelines to sideline kind of a bigger version of
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: let's say Someone Like eddrian cooper when he came OUT
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: of A. And M because cooper's under, two thirty but
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: he's kind of that run and. Chase player or do
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: you immediately put him on the edge and let him
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: develop as a pass rusher with the kind of explosive
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: power and heavy hands that defines, You Know, MICHAH parsons,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: i mean because don't forget you could Also use reese as.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: A joker he's. That guy so, YOU know i don't
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: have a definitive answer, For, that JEFF because i think every,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: you know different people are gonna see. Him differently but
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: the bottom LINE is i came away from his, tape
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: thinking this guy's. A, freak yeah and, you know and
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: he's twenty years OLD and i heard he's a he's
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: a really good. Young man, you know there's no issues with.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Him whatsoever he. Went through, you Know It's ted, Ginns's,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: dad ted, you Know, in cleveland that's where he went to,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: high school and you know that he's a good kid and,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: all that and there's so much there in.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: His.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Body adam we used to joke about these players on
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: offense coming out who were like really, athletic quarterbacks but
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: they were gonna play Like A denard robinson the. Offensive
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: weapon remember the ow.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Oh, right right. Right right we may just have.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: To start coming up with like d w, you know
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: like defensive because there are this is now the third
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: or fourth or fifth year in a row where there's
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: at least been one prospect where he kind of you
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: can move. Him fits you're not exactly sure where the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: best of his football is going.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: To, be Played, AND greg i wonder because, you know
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: you were telling us last Year With, travis HUNTER and
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: i still agree, with this and OTHER coaches i spoke
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: with said the. Same thing at, some point you guys
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: gotta play.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: One, POSITION yeah i just.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Wonder early on do they pick they do they work
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: him in practice at both, or like you, know what
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: he's this and.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: That's it the one advantage, he has WHICH and i
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: always talk, About, that hey.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: When you start your your your rookie mini.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Camps or OTAs whatever they, call it the, rookie stuff
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: you got to put him in. One spot but he
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: just came from Playing With, matt patricia so he's got
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: A very he's he's got a more advanced and refined
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: feel for doing multiple things because It Was matt patricia's
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: BASICALLY an, Nfl coach so he has that advantage coming into.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: The, league greg the next.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Guy we're going to talk about is put Up he,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: cashi's house put up big numbers where there is a,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: ball green but Specifically AT texas A And m what
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: are your thoughts on?
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: This, guy well that gets into the arm.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Length issue, HE'S smaller i know because his arm length is.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: REALLY small i know, you know so.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: You know And again i'm not going to sit here
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: and say there ARE teams i won't even have him on.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: THEIR board i would never say THAT because i don't.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Know THAT but i mean there will be clearly teams
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: that see that as a.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Major issue a.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Major issue, BUT look i remember last Summer WATCHING texas
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: A and m when they had those those three other,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: d LINEMEN and i remember coming, Away, thinking god the
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: most explosive guy on their Front Is. Casius howell and
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: then OF course i watched him this year and, you
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: know this Guy is he's, got athleticism he's got, natural
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: quickness he's, got suddenness. AN explosiveness, i mean he has
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: dynamic traits as an edge, pass rusher a really explosive
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: first step to the high side that immediately challenges the
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: technique of, offensive tackles, great balance great, body control another
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: example of a guy that can that has the flexibility
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: to flatten his, rush path really can. DO that i
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: thought he had inside counters that were.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Really good an.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Explosive inside spin move he can he crossed the face
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: of offensive tackles and gain. LEVERAGE inside i really thought
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: that this guy was a really good, pass rusher and
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: he was really good in stunts as a looper because
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: of that quickness and the bend and the. Closing burst
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: now he'd have to be if you're thinking of playing
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: him in your, base defense he'd have to be an
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: outside backer on a five. To two he's not a
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: four to THREE d nd.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: There Are so i'm trying to think. At him how
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: many teams actually play a four to three? Base anymore
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and it's it's a really, diminishing number. YOU know i
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: think that helps these guys is that a lot of
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: teams are now playing whether you want to call it
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: fangio or just a three four where you're USING the
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: olb in. That, situation well.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: This guy. SEE it i want to find.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: THIS out i got to figure out how club see
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: this guy because the arm left is, so short but
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: he's so explosive. On tape how do you free? Him
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: up because you gotta line.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Him up.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: You can't he's not gonna be able to engage with
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: a guy with a left tackle six' five right and
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: three point fifty with thirty four and a. Half inch
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: arms that's not. Going to happen so how do you
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: deploy This Guy's fast because greg was. Talking about it
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: he's watching tape last summer and He goes and greg
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: probably didn't know what his, arm left was but he's
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: just going by the tape that, got super explosive.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: And he, will you know he worked out with the
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: d Lineman. At THE combine so i mean he's six
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: two and a half, two fifty. Three you, know to
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: me even though two fifty three, IS not.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: LIGHT i don't.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I DON'T know it's i just don't see him as
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: a base.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Four to three d n but.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Maybe others do, but but again his arm length is
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: thirty four is thirty, and a, quarter you know and that's.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Really really difficult that's gonna.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Be.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: An issue, Yep, all right greg LET'S talk about i
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Think You mentioned nick ponito earlier. In the show right
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: he Came, out of oklahoma, Did, he not.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: Yes he did let's Talk about.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: ANOTHER Oklahoma Kid r thomas mason a GREAT Name Or
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: r Mason Thomas or mason thomas, great great, name right,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: there another, exploday another undersized explosive GUY.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Who again i did last summer and felt the same.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: WAY about, Him, i thought wow this this guy is
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: going to be a guy to watch now he's six
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: to two in a quarter and only. Two forty, one
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: you know does does he fall kind Of Into the?
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: NOLAN smith category i think he's a better Pass Rusher
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: than nolan, Smith for sure but he's a guy that
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: has explosive burst. Off, the edge boy he's. GOT vertical
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: juice i mean when he comes off the edge vertically
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: to attack the outside shoulder, OF the tackle i mean it.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: SHOWS up immediately i mean he's got that, explosive first
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: step he's got. That accelerating speed he's got fluid. Bend
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: and burst he can flatten. HIS rush, path i mean
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: you know this guy is he showed when, he was
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: wide he showed flashes of being able to do some
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: speed to power because being, two forty one he needs.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: To generate velocity he needs to. Have a runway that's the.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Term we use he needs a runway to generate velocity
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: and speed to really be a speed. To power guy
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: like he's not going to win a quick handfight, hand
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: fighting competition but you know another guy with a. Ton
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: of juice you, know the, question you know with, all
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: these guys not all the question is when they come,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: into the league they're probably going to start out guys
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: as as. Sub front players you know a lot, of these,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: guys you know, with Few exceptions maybe falk because of his,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: just immense size but a lot of these guys are
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: going to be.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: Sub front players to.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Start their career They're not necessar they're only going to
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: be full time base defense players who play sixty five seventy.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: Snaps A game and i think that's.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Important to recognize They're not, buss you know if you
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: draft one of, these Guys High, Even David bally david
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: belly might not play every snap and that doesn't mean
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: he's a bus because he's not out there. For seventy,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: snaps you know it's it's they, have a specific really.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Well defined, trade you know they can rush the quarterback
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: and then they've got to figure out the rest because
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: they're going to be going against way better offensive tackles
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: than they.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: Did, in college. Yeah.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: No doubt greg the next guy had a. Phenomenal combine WORKOUT.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: That's t J. Parker from clemson what are your? Thoughts,
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: on him.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah HE'S a guy i watched, last summer too because he,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: was a big big time recruit when. HE came, out
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: i mean he was like a top fifty guy in
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: the country and he ended Up. GOING to clemson i
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: think He was from alabama and he Got out of
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: alabama and He, went to clemson, and he's see he's
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: a little different guy because he's close to six' four
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: and two. Sixty three, to me, to me you know
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: could someone see him as an outside backer in A
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: five to two i think he's.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: A FOUR to, three D n personally.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: And i think he fits that role because he's not
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: sudden and explosive the way we spoke about the other,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: guys BECAUSE he's bigger but i think he knows how.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: TO rush, the quarterback, i think you know you've heard
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: me talk numerous times that IF you're a d nd
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: and a, bigger guy like this that you have to
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: learn and understand. How TO playoff contact And I always
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: use nick bosa as sort, of the prime example and
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: people can probably visualize that where he sort of proactively
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: attacks the tackle and then through hand usage and just,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: short area of quickness he. Plays off that contact parker.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Is good at that he's got a, good feel for
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: that he knows how, to place his hands he. Uses
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: his arms well now his arm arm, length is not
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: ridiculous it's. Thirty three and eighth but he knows how
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: to use arm extension to drive back offensive tackles and.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Keep HIS legs, clean so, i, think you know again
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: you get caught up in g is you're gonna get.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Fifteen or sixteen sacks no, one, Can ANSWER that obviously
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: but i think this kid is. A really solid prospect
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: my guess is he'll not, be a first rounder but
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't surprise me if down the road he's just
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: a quality defensive end in a four to three who
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: is more, than capable, of playing you know, pretty much,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: every snap you know as being a guy that can
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: play in your base defense and be a.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: PASS rusher, as.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Well i Mean the athleticism that adam. MENTIONED was, really
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: good i mean he had. A very good combine you
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: wonder if that helps him kind of adjust easier than
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: some of the guys who are lesser athletes but don't
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: have the size, or the you know that have, more
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: of the refinement.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: But, THEY'RE lesser, athletes yeah i mean, YOU know, this
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: guy i mean he played thirty.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Nine games in college he had, a lot, OF excess.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: You KNOW i think that.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I think his best trade you know as a rusher
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: is playing off contact. AND working his hands i think.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: That's what he is, he's, not that, sudden explosive twitchy
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: guy but he just knows how. To RUSH the quarterback,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: and i you. Know he's a guy you've got to watch.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: The guys, like that to me you have to watch
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of tape Because you're not gonna you're not
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: gonna see that, one rush and, go oh my. God look.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: At That That's. It like david baily you can look
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: at a couple of. Rushes and, Go wow you know.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Parker's not that, guy and you know, those guys, TO
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: me you know i don't, question anybody else's, process but to,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: me guys like that you gotta watch a lot of
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: games because he's. Not gonna wow you but you you,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: then come away going this guy's. Pretty good football player
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: this guy's got a lot OF good trades. That i
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: believe translate, they're just not, like oh. My god, wow
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: trades you know he's not gonna do. The three sixty dunk.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: He's not that guy how many.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Can by the, WAY i'm gonna say i think we
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: can say, that, for, all.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Yes yeah yeah yeah.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Although you, Played the college ball so we don't. Want,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: TO sell you well i.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Couldn't quite do that? What was your? Vertical was? YOUR
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: vertical like five.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: I couldn't, TAKE the you know i couldn't take the
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: dollar bill off the. Top of The Backboarder.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Oh like david thompson for, THOSE of your right.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: I remember that one or for people.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Who Are Familiar with new york city basketball back, A Long,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: time ago earl manigold?
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: You know, that, name, oh yeah, yes, YES all right
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: yes i don't know much.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: About. His.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Game though yeah hey, if you're like me you're desensitized
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: to the dozens of notifications on. Your phone every day
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: but if that latest ping is, from your security camera ignoring.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: It could, spell disaster picture this someone's, breaking into your
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: home but you're giving a, huge presentation at work or,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: you're at the movies or you're thirty thousand feet in the.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Sky on a flight you'll see the footage, in a
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: couple hours but by. Then it's too late That's. Why
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: You simply safe simply safe is a customizable whole home
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: security system back by twenty four. TO seven monitoring agents
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: i can rely on TO act. EVEN when i Can't
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: i use simply safe and. You should too listen traditional
• 31:04
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  Speaker 3: Right so This guy gabe jackis i'm not Sure how
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  Speaker 3: To Pronounce jacobs or jackie illinois put. Up really big numbers.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: He's got good measurables what were, Your?
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Thoughts on him grege Now we Can put gabe jack
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: there's a couple of guys who to me sort of fit.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Into the same box remember we started this conversation by
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: talking about guys that are, that are edge players but
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: not necessarily. JUST unbelievable edge rushers. I think You're Deal
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: i think gabe jackets. FALLS into That category I, Think
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: young From zion young from missouri. FALLS into that category
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: i think you're dealing with guys that are their games.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Built on power, physicality they're not, twitchy they're not sudden they're.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: NOT great pass rushers, a great, example is you know,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: people are gonna say what? Are you talking about jack
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: has led the big. Ten, In in sacks well i've seen.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Some of those sacks one was where the quarterback ran
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: out of bounds and he. Was the closest guy one
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: was where no one blocked him because. They blew, the
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: protection you know you got. TO watch the plays i say.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: That all the time you got. To watch, the plays
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: You know So so young and jack is to me
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: kind of fall. Into that, same category you know of
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: they're they're.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: THEY'RE to Me there i.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Guess jack as could be seen as an outside backer in,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: a Five to two. But young certainly not he's a FOUR.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: To three d, n they're solid players but they're not guys,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: you draft to say that's my. Guy rushing, the quarterback,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: they're just you know they're just sort of prototypical FOUR to.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Three d n types so if you're a team greg
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: like you're a four to three team and, you're just
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: you know you're. Looking for good debth you're looking for
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: run down defensive lineman before you get. Into your sub
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: packages is, a guy Like? Game?
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: Is?
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: It Jackus yeah yeah is does he fit that? Criteria,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: THEN for you yeah i.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: THINK he Fits That i think. Zion young, fits that,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: you know, these guys to me. That's who, They are
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: now again i'm not gonna sit here and say they're
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: never going to rush the quarterback and they're Gonna get
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: one sat. That's not my point but my point is
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: they're not explosive edge. Players that, you draft YOU KNOW
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: it's the ajf andesa conversation that we. Had to start
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: This you know, that adam brought up which was a great.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Guy to bring up he sort. Of FITS that exactly
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: and i think, that these, guys are you. KNOW more
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Like that i think jackus maybe can develop more into
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: a true pass. Rusher down the road, And but you
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: know young IS just a physical.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: I mean because.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: He's A big, dude the missouri guy he's another guy.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: THAT'S a big dude i mean he's six five and three.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: QUARTERS two, sixty two i mean but he's, he's not
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: a sudden twitchy edge athlete who has, higher level bend
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: inflexibility so he wins as a pass rusher when he
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: does win with methodical, power and hand placement and then
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: you have to decide, as you evaluate him is that
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: going to happen WITH consistency against. Better, nfl offensive tackles. Well,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: it happens sometimes sure it's not as if it's. Never
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: going to happen but is that the way? He's going,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: to get you know, fourteen sacks, my inclination you. Know
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: studying his Tape is it won't it? Won't, happen like?
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: That greg last one did You Happen? TO see, malachi, Lawrence.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: I did Okay And. I, Like Malachi lawrence now malachi,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: lawrence has some, juice he's got moves he's he was a,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: fascinating guy. To watch you know as again, AS a
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: pass rusher i.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: Think he's better than.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Jackis and, AND young you know i think you're Dealing
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: see now watching, and by the way, he's got good,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: size good. Arm length major wingspan really, As, you probably
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: know jeff you might even have it. In front of
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: you whose athletic testing. Measurables were really good that's why
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: four or five two we had, a forty inch vertical
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: which for a guy who's six' four plus and two fifty. Three,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: is really, really good so you know the guy he
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: kind OF reminded me, of WHEN i watched him and
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: i think this guy was was a first Round Pick
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Last year was nick scourdon you remember Him, coming, out
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: of so.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah he went High. Second round, to, the panthers.
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  Speaker 4: Believe RIGHT right Right Right.
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  Speaker 2: BUT i, like malachi lawrence i mean he's he showed some.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Knockback power in, His hands he's he could he's got.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Athleticism to stop and redirect he made. Plays in the
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: run game he had a really. Good club arm over.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Move as a, pass rusher he had, balance he had
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: body control, he could burst, with speed he could. CLOSE
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: he had some, bend i mean to me this guy
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: HAS pass, rush traits, that i think you know can
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: transition to the league more pass rush, traits in my
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: view anyway. Based on my tape study then let's say young.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: And jacis great good stuff before, we get out of
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: here were there any other guys that you want to
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: talk about. That we, Didn't bring up go Ahead there's TWO.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Guys from michigan who I Find, really really intriguing derek
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: moore who is more to me a four To three
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: d end and i've done him for two years and, You're.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: PROBABLY familiar with him jeff i really. LIKE his tape
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: a lot i think that he. Could be a really
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: pro And, the Other kid, Is Barhm, the michigan kid
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: jayshawn barum who was a stackbacker in twenty twenty four
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: and they moved. Him to edge this year. And it's,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: in his body. You know he's gonna learn he's he's
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: be a five to, two outside backer for sure and,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: he's but. He's an explosive twitchy athlete and again he may,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: not be, ready to, go you know day. ONE but,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: it is there i, mean this, kid is sudden he's
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: explosive and, again not knowing, the player but you know
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: if he's willing, to be coached and learn there's something
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: there for this. Kid to, END up being you know
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: i Don't Want, to say he's nick benito but you
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: know it's. That kind of body type Not, quite as tall,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: as benito but you know that kind. Of explosiveness, off the,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: edge good, stuff.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: All right all right that is a good. LOOK at
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: the edge prospects. A lot of different guys a lot
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: of guys can. Fulfill different, kind of responsibilities it's great but.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: That's the bottom line point, i'm glad you reiterated that because.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: That's the bottom line point you have to understand what.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Kind of.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Player, You're drafting you know here. I'll give.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: You an, example EAGLES fans let's say and i don't
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: even know who, they Like or don't like so i'm.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: Just throwing a n In Let's.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Say they draft zion young You Got to understand that
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: zion young is not going to, come in and you
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Know And, And be like miles garrett he's not going,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: to come in and well we just solved our. Edge pass,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: for our situation you know you got to understand what
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: the player.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: Is when you draft him.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Our teams will understand that i'm saying.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Fans, need, to understand?
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: That Sure sure all Right For. Greg Co Selling, adam
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: capitol i'm jeff Mosher And you've Been Watching the intel
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: with Greg cosell on inside the birds