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Talks to Si Hart about his choice of Full Circle (1/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Simon. What you've got to do in this
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  recording is keep absolutely quiet.
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  We are recording the story on cassettes, so do not speak all
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  the way through. You've got to be quite a voice.
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  The microphone will pick you up, but but, but no absolute quiet,
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  apart from me. Who can sing in the theme?
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  Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast. Now, I because if we were doing
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  a bit of therapy there, well, maybe if you're a member of my
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  family from 1981, this will bring back lots of memories
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  video. Unfortunately, for the rest of
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  you, that means nothing at all. I'll see you made.
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  You held all your family, Hostage to be quiet throughout
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  all of Doctor Who. So you could take the
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  soundtrack. Well, basically, not my dad's
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  did my dad so it'd be my birthday at my sixth birthday,
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  which was a seminal birthday in lots of ways because I got my
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  first Target books. I've got my first Doctor Who
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  cassette, which was Genesis, and the Daleks and I got a tape
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  recorder as my main birthday present, so I could have that in
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  my room and listen to music and stuff.
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  And so Dad bought me some cassettes as well.
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  And so he had the brilliant idea of when Doctor Who was being
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  repeated in the summer of 1981 big clue there for anyone paying
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  attention and one story will be doing, he said what we could
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  record This story onto cassette and you could listen to it
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  again. What a brilliant idea.
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  No other doctor who founded ever thought of that idea?
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  Did you do that? Use that fabulous.
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  Electric tape to label your cassettes.
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  No, I didn't have one of those. No, this one was handwritten by
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  my mum who had the best handwriting and so we're I
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  recorded all of Doctor Who and full circle on cassette for
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  Circle. You say, yes, Obviously one of
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  the very few Doctor Who stories that have had its title in the
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  dialogue. I love Frazier, I love Frazier.
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  I freaked. Gregory thinks.
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  Yeah, hello might interject here for you.
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  Can't please because I have to say I've had a fabulous day here
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  in bracknell. Hello outer London.
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  I've come to visit my wonderful friend so I'm not in his new
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  house, which is absolutely stunning.
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  Well, thanks very much. We've had a frou-frou memories
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  of my life, basically, Evan way. Often the given delicious egg
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  and bacon and hot cross buns. And coffee treated like a
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  prince. And in the dark Dusty, recesses
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  or not, Dusty is new in that dark.
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  Recesses of Simon Hearts cupboards is the most fabulous
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  box of Doctor Who memorabilia Dalek bubble baths and a boss.
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  No, they weren't on it, but that was Tardis.
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  Bubble bar hardened, a tidal power whilst walking Daleks hook
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  and eyes as Cyberman mask that he made as a A child and best of
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  all this wonderful scrapbook of my scrap old clippings from all
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  Doctor Who things that have been in newspapers and magazines in
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  the mid-1980s. Sort of Colin Baker's time, man.
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  Oh man, it's a fucking Treasure Trove.
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  I will not disclose his address because I think you'll be around
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  here. Oceans fucking 11.
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  Trying to NAB the stuff and one letter from Target books, which
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  relates to this story as well. He's All P of h, r cos Guide to
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  the Galaxy episode 6. The actual, the camera print.
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  Not the carotenoids. The Sounds tape.
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  That's it. Sorry.
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  Yeah. But the actually the real you
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  got some amazing stuff. I know it's a as well as just
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  about every bit of Doctor Who merchandize you could possibly
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  think of, especially the books, amongst all of those fabulous
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  things. So I'm is a Blu-ray set for
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  season 18. Well, of course I mean it's the
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  best season of Doctor Who the best season yet.
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  Well, if it's not the best, it's certainly my favorite.
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  Please quantify that? It's the one.
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  I love. Best you sake, get.
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  This is it. Is it purely for nostalgic
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  reasons? Oh, no.
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  Think genuinely this is the best season of genuinely.
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  I think this stands up, I'm certainly, this is the for me,
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  the The best season of classic Doctor Who and probably all of
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  Doctor Who if I'm because it's some of its nostalgic because
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  this is really where I became a huge fan.
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  If anyone has ever heard the Leisure Hive commentary which I
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  think just about everyone in the world that was that was the
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  story that made me a fan but all of these stories are so Etched
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  in my head. I was just so in love with
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  Doctor Who really at such a young age this season, just
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  caught my imagination. And you know, when you did that
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  Leisure Hive commentary and you drop the story about the canine
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  that you go around with it was extra day.
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  He was in that box. What?
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  Size a bit canine, he's a little bit tight as for the part of it
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  but then he's very old. Yes, very old and it doesn't go
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  through the rigmarole that canine goes through his nose
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  things. I'd have got him the Christmas
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  after Full circle was on so Christmas 1980 so yeah.
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  He is very, very old poor old thing when when Mark and I were
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  talking about the 1980s in general.
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  Yeah, we kind of reached a consensus that the strongest
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  parts of the 80s, were the first season yet so big midseason.
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  And the last three, which is Carmel seasons.
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  And that's because there is just a consistent tone.
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  Yes, and there's sort of a willingness to push the envelope
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  in interesting ways are the Royal fall of what Eric's
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  Warden. You know, we did snake dance.
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  You know, we've done others more than Undead.
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  Yeah, I've seen some 20, really. But certainly like bid Meade's
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  stronghold of this season and I do think I can detect Barry
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  Letts in there as well. Yeah.
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  Like his sort of focus on storytelling and John
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  nathan-turner, sort of ability to put the money on the screen
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  between the three of them. Yeah, it's a new team.
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  Coming in and wanted to show off what they can do and break from
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  the past, really, I think, isn't it?
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  And I think you've got your showpiece with the Leisure Hive,
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  which has got some of the most avant-garde Direction.
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  Yeah, ever until Warriors gate, which has some of the most
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  avant-garde until you go, but to sort of few and far between.
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  But then you have mega gloss, which is a bit of a throwback to
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  season 17, but we've sort of the new technology in place.
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  This was the first sort of like, how style.
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  Yes this is. This is sort of really your
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  first business as this is what doctor who will look like in the
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  80s more. Than the previous two.
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  I think whilst is introducing a new companion, it's not starting
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  the season, it's not ending the season it had.
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  I've got continuity or the Mast or anything.
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  And this is a relatively continuity free Standalone.
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  Science fiction story. Yes.
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  And it's just, you know what? I'm going to say a word and this
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  is what I hear people saying in a -, and I mean, it's entirely.
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  It's so competent. Yeah, this is all right.
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  It's competently written its competition.
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  Currently directed our would not be ashamed to put this on.
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  Well maybe some of the performances are the kids.
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  Well, yeah but this is the danger of having kids but it's
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  so efficient. Yeah.
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  And I think Peter Grim wage was one of the most talented of
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  Jonesy's early directors and him falling out with gentie was such
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  a huge blow for the show. I've respond lunch, exactly.
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  It shouldn't have happened and he should have bought that
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  directing what's that? You rephrase her butt off out
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  for lunch without me. We did.
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  That's it. I'm never talking to all of you
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  again. It's just pathetic, isn't it?
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  You know, but we're talking with fragile egos created people.
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  And these things happen is at this point.
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  There is tremendous reductions in the main cast.
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  Yeah. But it's not like green.
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  Oh no, it's free. No, I think that's the
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  interesting thing. It does come Warriors guy, I
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  think I can see it. Lil Bit, you know, when Lila
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  wall so tragic, you you'll do as you're told you know, and all of
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  this we're all in the river in State of Decay when she goes
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  what Patrick. And he goes a trick.
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  We gotta go back for that. But yeah, this this is
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  remarkably good television. Yes, I think.
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  And it's a remarkably well, written Story by an 18 year
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  olds. Exactly and well have fair play
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  to Christopher, h b, Mead for take it out and taking that on
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  respond. Yeah, they couldn't.
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  It may well have not paid off and I think it's got all the
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  things that make Doctor Who fantastic.
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  It's got brilliant Cliffhangers Ruiz.
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  Brilliant. Cliffhanger great monsters.
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  Yeah, it's Pacey. I think dr.
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  Dre's best has really decent location work.
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  And this is some of the best location work in Doctor Who it's
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  got a terrific. Go like oh Jess.
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  It's got the best shot of the TARDIS ever in space.
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  It's at the bit where it's all going around.
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  Going into e space. Yeah.
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  And what and the really fast spinning across the screen very
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  shortly into politics. Oh God I love that and I don't
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  think it runs out of steam. I think the twist at the end is
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  really good. It's got intelligent Concepts in
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  it which are explored in some debt.
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  The adult cost are all brilliant.
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  Yeah, all of them. Well, I don't know what else
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  we've got to say after talking. About this tall.
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  Well, we better start. And then way are we going to
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  have sold one? Yes, please.
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  Okay, let's do it. What 10 minutes?
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  Now, the intro to every mobster commentaries about quite tight
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  for us, okay? Part of I'm alone in your house,
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  you know? But the Countess in there,
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  let's go in fabulous to just be able to watch it on the TV with
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  the sound on well, five, four three, two March been He got
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  caught. Lovely.
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  Tom's hair just fits this title sequence.
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  It has poor Peter. His head was never quite the
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  same but I loved I loved all the time to seek with all these
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  Starfield titles. So I've asked you this question
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  before but you must have got a bit of a shock, you know.
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  Win this title sequence hitting the remember you know what
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  Nathan said? Did you hear?
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  Yes, it was a trailer for. This is actually it, huh?
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  What I really like in season 18, particularly B is the feeling
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  that they're all literally one after another.
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  So here we are. They've just dropped off their
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  friends. Oh yeah.
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  From McCloskey said, he'd only got to be 10 minutes on a still
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  upset, although I think when we come away from Christopher has
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  been made into Eric's Awards. Sorry, you are up toward love
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  Harvey but the the The dialogue where they explain the
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  transition from one story to. And I've, you know, it's an
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  example, those mutated Misfits will terrorize me till the end
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  of time and whilst you were enjoying 38 hours.
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  Do you sleep on the Delta wave or Mentor said there was no
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  continuity. This color is straight.
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  What isn't it? Could meet your twin canine,
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  what do you think? The Vermont has ruined love
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  romance room. It's so pastoral and peachy and
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  it's just gorgeous. There's mushrooms are growing up
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  the wall. Because some kind of screen, I
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  just got nice chess set. Look this tragic Doctor Who and
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  Romano play chess in her bedroom.
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  I bet they do what chess. This is such a brilliant.
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  See you don't get things like this between the doctor and
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  companion. Very often now and and you
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  certainly didn't in season seven know.
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  So there's sunny. It's sunny being play dramatic.
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  Yeah, and it their relationship. It's, it's almost like this is a
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  conversation between Tom and Lila that they've got to go.
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  Yeah as well. And it's I'm leaving the show.
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  Well, you can't fight TV Executives in can't fight, g&t,
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  Ramada. Look at that.
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  That's just gorgeous. I don't know, but it's brilliant
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  because it looks like a video effect.
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  Yeah. But it's not like they're called
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  until but this is definitely contact as its spinning here and
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  I with the music and everything is so eerie and I want I want to
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  ask you about East Bay, okay? Well, does it work as a story
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  arc? Well, what is brilliant about
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  the East Bay strategy and it's something that only occurred to
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  me. Recently is That all the stories
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  are the same, they're not the same the same but all the
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  settings are the same. You've got a spaceship that is
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  stranded somewhere that it shouldn't be and it's having a
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  huge effect on the location around it.
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  You're right yeah all three stories are different variations
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  so that honah Lee different. Yeah that's why they've noticed
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  was a Gothic horror one sort of out-and-out.
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  Science Fiction are ones just weird with a gay it so it took
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  me years to realize it's all about stranded spaceships and
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  the different reactions because we don't has on the environment.
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  Learn much about a space is self, do we?
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  We visit the couple of planets lie.
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  I hold him fixed up Ramona, doesn't go home.
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  So they're trapped somewhere completely different and it
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  gives the doctors travels a bit more impetus and danger because
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  it kind of a purpose. Yeah.
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  Purpose is to get back in to inspect which and you know the
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  whole of Warriors gays Bill were around.
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  Yeah, exactly. Very effectively as well.
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  I'm going to tell you another reason.
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  Okay, it's so successful because it's part of a larger Arc in
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  this. Yes, and this is where the
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  charge vacuuming boy. Bands are used to drain away the
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  entire universe. Well, I think, what are you
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  using for is to is tossing up? No, there it is.
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  A lot of politicians are using it to take all the entropy and
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  toss it off, somewhere else, forgive my terminology and what
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  the Masters going to do is spunk it all back and destroy the
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  universe. Exactly.
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  But doctor who doesn't really do?
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  No. Not at this time.
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  Doctor Who never did this. That's almost like a great time.
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  And even that was, isn't it? This is far tighter.
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  So I need to point out that there are a large number of
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  twink bums cause they need to pop off to the Loo.
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  All right? I'm sure they're all of AIDS.
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  I'm all right. There's some shots later on when
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  they're in the water. Yeah, I don't think they realize
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  that the material went see through when it don't even need
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  to be wearing clothes. I could see everything.
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  Well, Peter greenaway, you know. So This is at black Park.
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  I've been to my part, there's just up the road from here and
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  last year, yeah, it was last year.
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  Me and Pete Lambert and Cullen. Neal went and we stood in the
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  place where the village was and watched a bit of Full Circle to
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  make sure we were standing the exactly the right place by the
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  lake. Go into the water, and take a
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  picture of your see-through class.
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  I did not same old enough. I did go to Black part once with
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  Brendan Jones also, So of this young Lads diving into the water
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  for some kind of film that they were making, so they do.
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  I begin for streets. We've just set that mr.
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  Rollins, those soldiers. Come over the hill.
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  He's like, I'm not just sitting this on location.
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  No, I'm going to add some cobwebs today.
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  I'm going to do some lighting lighting.
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  He's adding some tropical plants as well.
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  Most, yes of dry ice going through.
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  It's all right. It's an Incredible use of a
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  brilliant location. Thank you.
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  Got to remember Doctor Who is on a shitty budget.
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  Yeah but he's doing everything he can.
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  Well I just don't think you can think Doctor Who is on a shitty
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  budget in the season. Nothing it doesn't look like
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  it's suddenly feels so much classier and to give John
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  nathan-turner the props. He deserves him saying, you
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  know, like that will do. Do in season 17.
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  And there was a bit of that. I know they didn't have much
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  money. There was a bit of that.
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  So anyway, some of the direction.
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  He's like, no, we're going to get in the best directors.
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  We're going to bring in June Hudson.
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  She's going to make everyone look rich and Cameron fabulous,
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  you know, we'll have the best musicians from the radio phonic
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  Workshop, like that it's new injection in all Fields, New the
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  money's on the screen. You know, I'll here we go.
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  So this is the first sign now that there's something.
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  Something is wrong, something spooky Eve.
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  Illusionary is occurring on this planet. when I was on, when I
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  was doing my lockdown Doctor, Who polls, which I've mentioned
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  in, in this podcast before was, I was watching Doctor Who, when
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  I was furloughed, the very last story I did was Full Circle and
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  I gave everyone the choice and it had four different names that
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  it was known by. Am I?
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  So I it was a production code which is six.
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  Something 5 something I can't remember now, full circle.
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  And I gave the third option, which was the one with the
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  spiders coming out of melons, which is what my sister still
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  refers to this one. Really.
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  Why? Because she always remembered
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  because she was terrified of spiders.
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  The one where the spiders came out of the melons, I mean not
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  that that sequence which is of not.
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  Yeah, but that sequence, I think that is a good example of how
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  good green waste direction is because the spider looks
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  terrible, but he cuts very quickly.
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  From the thing popping out the moon.
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  So it'd be an honor face and it's recorded backwards so it's
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  brought so it is on her face and it's pulled away.
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  Yeah. And it's working so so well,
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  okay, come on right, is that what?
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  It's not just a trick though, is it?
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  No. Any one of these actors would
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  have been a better choice. The Matthew?
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  Well, yes, well you've got got a burn pattern as tie loss who's
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  very good, you know, he really did.
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  Yeah. He went up for the role of adric
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  and was told he couldn't have it, because he had a
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  liverpudlian accent, he's a better actor.
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  He is a better actor, and then Vash.
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  I mean, why it should have been vast.
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  Yes, Can I say I was over that fella, Richard.
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  Somebody isn't it? He is beautiful.
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  Yeah. And he he ended up in a
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  relationship with Kate Amara. Well, that's true.
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  It would a bit a few years after this.
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  What I say, why he shortly after this, he had a relationship with
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  June Paige. Who's playing Kira you told me
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  right now that vaart was having it off with the Ronnie.
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  Yeah for years they were together really well and like a
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  happy relationship. I think it was fairly happy.
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  I think there was a bit of abuse at the end.
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  So I which is a shame. But yeah, there was a wow.
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  They said yeah we totally can but obviously it's amazing.
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  Okay. Okay.
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  Ki Maro fabulous. But if you wore house I do think
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  he has a he has moments in his rum where I think he's pretty
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  pretty good. Okay.
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  Yeah I think it's alright in this scene but he is let's be
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  honest. He's not a great actor.
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  I know he is stilted. He finds even things like
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  walking across a set unconvincing.
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  You know, like he's not the best choice.
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  I could have made is that as he was quite pretty, I think so.
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  But as a kid, he was just a Doctor Who and so everyone
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  Doctor Who was was brilliant and he was great, I liked him a lot
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  but she's my issue with this and I know I am going to be very
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  positive about this sort of something that's great.
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  But issue of this is in the previous season, you had two
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  incredible actors as the regulars and canine.
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  Yeah. Who and cute as a button and
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  that's what out for sorry. Peter Davison who I think is Hit
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  or Miss at rattigan an Sr. That's not progress.
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  Us. It's it's really interesting
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  though is fine because James he says oh the lineup was too smart
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  dock two times or two Geniuses who Geniuses.
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  It's just, wow. Okay.
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  And yet, you know, when they get a drink to do physical stuff
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  like this, where I used to swim, he's still in the river for he's
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  got, but they don't do this enough, The Artful Dodger, and
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  this is what he was supposed to be like.
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  So by the end of this, he steals the image translate yesterday.
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  Me and the top two guys you stole at home.
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  What could come in handy? I'll let you know what this is
• 22:06
  really fill. Make all of this.
• 22:08
  Yes, and you've got Patty Kingsland doing really good
• 22:13
  music. I'm it's very 1980 and that's
• 22:17
  fine till I but, you know, this bit in a minute.
• 22:19
  When all the Mist comes out. Yeah, and he goes, I think he
• 22:27
  does Tire Decay as well. Yeah, he does.
• 22:29
  Yeah, except that was go in. Remember do, do, do do.
• 22:33
  You do did it in. It's all right.
• 22:37
  It was very patient. The these regular folding
• 22:41
  workshops calls are some of my favorite music.
• 22:44
  For Doctor Who I'll meet a tactic and you are the gentleman
• 22:51
  that wrote the dedication to Dudley Simpson for.
• 22:55
  Oh God, how we are Colts. Thank you.
• 22:57
  I do this. You talked about the hearts like
• 22:59
  why can I not sorry candy and And so I know you love deadly
• 23:05
  sins. Yeah, but it was too high, it
• 23:08
  was time, wasn't it? And I fit this was absolutely
• 23:13
  the right decision. This season wouldn't be what it
• 23:17
  is with a Dudley Simpson school. It would be something else, it
• 23:21
  would be great. But I've this the music this
• 23:24
  year just makes the series for me, you'd have to forgive me now
• 23:27
  because this is the bit with all the bums.
• 23:33
  Walter up. And I've got yeah, it's a lot of
• 23:37
  trouble is, sometimes you make that happen, it's put it in the
• 23:40
  water, I guess. Okay, oh yeah, they're very
• 23:43
  Seafood on that. Oh my God, the left there, the
• 23:47
  highest they're not wearing underpants.
• 23:52
  I mean, you just wouldn't boy. I'm gonna happen overnight.
• 23:57
  You know who any way, change the subject, we've been very lucky
• 24:02
  with the weather. Look at the ladies, uh, the
• 24:10
  coming of this fall. Oh my goodness.
• 24:14
  Who is this playing? This is funded.
• 24:16
  Require, he's very good, he's very good and he's only on
• 24:18
  location Yeezus knee. Your here's a very muddy against
• 24:22
  drugged off in this does. Yeah and that's that's that's
• 24:25
  leaning into some sort of B-movie.
• 24:27
  Yeah. Absolutely nice.
• 24:28
  Yeah. That's a pretty from the swamp
• 24:30
  and 1930s sort of Horror of being tracked into something by
• 24:36
  by a hand and they're doing the thing that I think.
• 24:40
  Good again really good. Doctor who dies is they're
• 24:42
  pouring a lot of location work into the first.
• 24:45
  Yes owed. So the first episode just feels
• 24:47
  very filling. Then there's none in part for me
• 24:50
  is discuss this before, haven't we?
• 24:52
  There's lots going on. In part for though, is ya Rahman
• 24:54
  has evil. Yeah Marsh men are attack but
• 24:56
  base Under Siege by that point. I drink, oh my God you've
• 25:03
  watched the camera work in this sequence.
• 25:05
  Now worry chases. Yeah.
• 25:06
  For as a forest right stuff and it's sort of sweeping around,
• 25:09
  there's only one other director but I can think of that does.
• 25:12
  So sweeps them offer. Something about its Grand
• 25:17
  Harper. So Jonathan Turner was bringing
• 25:22
  in some dynamism of his directors.
• 25:25
  It's just Brilliant stuff. It's really, really good and
• 25:29
  it's and it's such a far cry from season 17 which we both
• 25:34
  love. Yeah, absolutely.
• 25:36
  My two favorite seasons of Doctor Who and they're so
• 25:39
  different. Yeah, you know, but then they
• 25:42
  are, they are childhood Seasons. They are so deep.
• 25:45
  When you did the tape, recordings of the, yes.
• 25:48
  What did you listen to it over and over?
• 25:49
  Oh God yeah. Do you know what I used to do?
• 25:51
  I've just remembered this. I also had the Viewmaster slides
• 25:55
  home sir. Kle with my so you get the 3D
• 25:58
  image. So I would listen to the listen
• 26:01
  to the tape and watch it through the 3D slides.
• 26:05
  You know, I'm surprised you about as much sex as you have
• 26:07
  and, you know, stories you tell me from your childhood very
• 26:12
  good. Well said the Starliner.
• 26:27
  Yeah with the Mist around it and OK again or I did the commentary
• 26:34
  for her brother's death yesterday and I said that Doctor
• 26:37
  Who spaceships in the classic series very often don't look too
• 26:40
  functional. You know they look like
• 26:42
  spaceships sets for the BBC for Doctor Who.
• 26:45
  Yes but the Starliner like the sound minor.
• 26:49
  This is like a place. Feels like a place where people
• 26:51
  could live and work. Yeah Joey is doing that season
• 26:55
  17. Anything, you know, of lots of
• 26:57
  triangles. Yes, it struggles on.
• 27:00
  So here we've got a really good Trio of actors.
• 27:04
  Who George Baker, As Logan, Alan row as oh.
• 27:11
  What's his name? Who was that?
• 27:12
  It was Alan row in a relationship with Jesse Belgium.
• 27:15
  That's right. Yeah.
• 27:15
  And he's back off to Fang rock or an old apartment our skin
• 27:20
  sale can say. Oh yeah.
• 27:22
  And the wonderful James Bree as late doctor.
• 27:25
  They've got out Delayed. Oh my God, Jay spray the
• 27:28
  warlord. And I can remember telling my
• 27:34
  friend Richard at school, there James.
• 27:38
  Brady had been in Doctor Who. Before we saw the war games and
• 27:40
  said, dad said, yeah, he was in Full Circle and what he was and
• 27:45
  then the trial of a Time Lord Direction, it's are running.
• 27:49
  Amok on Gallifrey, he was one of our favorites.
• 27:52
  We used to love doing an impression of him scare.
• 27:55
  This was really scary. I didn't like this.
• 27:58
  Well yeah. That water looks really my looks
• 28:02
  horrible, doesn't it? Yeah, and now I'm going under
• 28:06
  the Mist. Beautiful that is pure horror.
• 28:10
  That is really done boy. This really, he's just been
• 28:13
  drowned. Yeah, that's pretty good.
• 28:15
  Pretty grisly, oh, and there's a fabulous show in a minute where
• 28:20
  a truck runs towards the Tardis and the piano is getting full.
• 28:22
  Yeah, and Anna, Anna, Anna Anna. Sorry.
• 28:26
  Are you gotta forgive me with the instant of Music?
• 28:28
  I've got very excited, so he Nope, sorry.
• 28:31
  Sorry. So these three fellas.
• 28:36
  Yeah, two of them, know the secret.
• 28:39
  Don't. Yes.
• 28:40
  And the other one. Is it what until they can trust
• 28:43
  him? Yeah.
• 28:44
  That you don't see this. Yeah, I know, they know they
• 28:46
  don't only need Fred. My only note finds out when he
• 28:51
  becomes first decider because there's that scene in part 2,
• 28:54
  where he sees, where he looks Ashen, because he knows such
• 28:58
  Secrets. Sheriff, sheriff, that's the
• 29:00
  second one. Yeah.
• 29:04
  Parody on the, on the subtitles on brick box.
• 29:06
  I saw someone put the other day. They put Gary.
• 29:11
  I need friends for Ian and Ebe. A lace freddieb123.
• 29:23
  Sure of him healing quite quickly.
• 29:24
  Yes, that's good. We come back to it in the
• 29:26
  visitation. Don't we are not very often.
• 29:31
  Yes, Amy good. Syrians heal faster than you
• 29:33
  Tegan. Shame Shame.
• 29:35
  He couldn't have put those healing powers to use at the end
• 29:37
  of her, shall connect all those deeds.
• 29:40
  All those bits of him coming to the console room or maybe
• 29:54
  it's the only other set they've got.
• 29:56
  But this is important as well, isn't it?
• 29:58
  Because then we come back to Ramona's room in logopolis.
• 30:00
  Yes. And it's Jettisoned in.
• 30:03
  Yeah, no, it's just some didn't in lakopolous.
• 30:07
  We just see that little little bit of it in logopolis and
• 30:11
  rather charmingly, she's got a photo of canine on her dressing
• 30:14
  table which I love. I think this is so gorgeous.
• 30:28
  I'd almost say you are the crown in champion of season 17 and 18
• 30:32
  as well. Probably So even the belts come
• 30:37
  in important later don't like is, when adric dies.
• 30:40
  Yeah, he lifts up his brothers burned.
• 30:43
  His he get takes that in this story, it's given to him.
• 30:48
  And interestingly, I think there are far more moments of drama
• 30:54
  and Pathos in this season than we ever got in 79.
• 30:59
  No, I'm not going to shit on 17. I prefer 17.
• 31:03
  It's fun. It's big bold Concepts.
• 31:05
  Yes, adventurous. It's got, you know, the boldest,
• 31:09
  most confident, companion and Doctor, huh, but great drama, it
• 31:14
  ain't no. But this has and I think we
• 31:20
  quite often Doctor, who often takes lalla Ward for granted.
• 31:25
  And I don't think she ever gets the cutest.
• 31:27
  She deserves, she's still my favorite companion.
• 31:30
  She's so confident. I think she's one of the best I
• 31:33
  think she is. She is really, really good.
• 31:35
  And she's really bossy in the gala for Yas.
• 31:39
  Okay. Seriously.
• 31:42
  Good in those Gallifrey audios, but terrifying in this story.
• 31:47
  We'll come on to this later on. So, for, for this, Second half
• 31:51
  of the story. She's basically mutes.
• 31:53
  Yeah but she does such interesting things with what
• 31:59
  she's got to play with which is affected.
• 32:01
  She's playing evil was ye all sort of months or so yeah but
• 32:05
  the way she sort of Glides around the sets.
• 32:07
  Yeah and she's sort of like She's Got Claws.
• 32:09
  She's fucking at the air, isn't she?
• 32:12
  It's very different from when Sarah Jane played evil in.
• 32:15
  Yeah. Very, yeah.
• 32:17
  It's almost like a slightly seductive quality about her and
• 32:23
  I summon Lord together. Just so great.
• 32:27
  It's all this bric-a-brac about. This is really tearing out the
• 32:30
  console. Real space doesn't have negative
• 32:34
  coordinates. What does that mean sighs?
• 32:38
  She's so pretty as well. She a budget.
• 32:41
  Just a very accomplished actress.
• 32:43
  Yeah I'm surprised she didn't get more work.
• 32:45
  Actually she should have done. Oh this is we're coming up to
• 32:49
  one of the single mode best I there are lots of Doctor Who
• 32:55
  Cliffhangers which are monsters coming out of water.
• 32:58
  From the Dalek invasion of Earth, the sea Devils Curse of
• 33:01
  fenric and everyone always says all the sea Devils is the best
• 33:04
  one. But actually it's this one.
• 33:06
  I think the sea. Kevin, look a bit drunk.
• 33:08
  Yeah, I'm out of. This is so stylish Li directed
• 33:12
  with the slow motion and the music music and the dry ice and
• 33:16
  the sun behind them. This is certainly the most
• 33:19
  Artie. Yeah.
• 33:20
  All of them. Yeah, for sure.
• 33:23
  And I like the fact that like, in the sea levels I just what
• 33:25
  comes through out there. The second episode of this, they
• 33:28
  take Ages come out of the water and they're all Lola.
• 33:31
  Wetting, father-son, it's beautiful.
• 33:35
  All right. Yeah, I can remember this being
• 33:37
  a really creepy moment cause you don't know what's gonna happen
• 33:39
  and then suddenly and I think this is a sort of moment.
• 33:43
  You talk about in the playground yesterday.
• 33:45
  As you watch Doctor Who last night just came out of the lake,
• 33:50
  That's just the way it's framed with the plants in the
• 33:52
  foreground. So you can't quite see them and
• 33:54
  they with the light you can't. They're brilliant was impressive
• 33:58
  as well. Is I don't think that a best
• 34:00
  costumes and Note and yeah, the way they shot.
• 34:03
  Yeah, the way they shot here. You can't really tell at this
• 34:06
  point. No.
• 34:07
  And even when you can when they're in the studio it's the
• 34:10
  masked child. Yeah.
• 34:12
  And don't you care about? It's such a lovely performance
• 34:17
  that you care and I think a lot of it stand out.
• 34:19
  On Baker acts? Yes, hello.
• 34:22
  How old are usually get on terribly?
• 34:24
  Well with children as a scene Setter, that's an interesting
• 34:29
  episode as well, because the doctor Ramona didn't even leave.
• 34:32
  The Tardis till the very end, not exactly.
• 34:36
  But they've got other things going on, which is sitting up,
• 34:39
  what's to come later, what's happening in this season because
• 34:42
  the same thing happens in make loss.
• 34:43
  Yeah, they don't leave the Tardis in episode 1.
• 34:45
  Did I is there setting up convincing set Yes, that
• 34:50
  building up these worlds and then out companies to lots of
• 34:55
  investigation and exploration and I do think that's in sharp
• 34:59
  contrast to 17 where they're straight in the thick of it
• 35:03
  being brilliant of our funny, you know.
• 35:06
  Yeah, it's it becomes a bit of a problem in Season 22 when
• 35:12
  they're not out for. So long also feels anyway, is
• 35:17
  probably not as As long as as this story has been, but I don't
• 35:23
  know. It's yeah.
• 35:24
  It's just, it's just an 80s thing, isn't it?
• 35:27
  I think. Well, sigh, I would like to find
• 35:31
  out what Sinister creatures. Have just emerged.
• 35:34
  Absolutely from the water. Would you care to hold my hand?
• 35:38
  I keep asking you to hold my hand.
• 35:40
  His last time you made me watch snack fucking snake.
• 35:42
  That's this time. I'm watching monsters coming out
• 35:45
  the words. Exactly.
• 35:46
  So never sleep again.