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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - THE COLOR PINK: BIZARRE BATTLE IN SEX-ATTACK-DEATH TRIAL, MADI, 19 , LEFT BY ROAD, FATALLY HIT BY CAR · TAKEN TV Podcasts

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Tonight, the color pink, the
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Speaker 1: bizarre battle taking place right now in a sex attack
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Speaker 1: death trial. Maddie Brooks, just 19 years old, sex assaulted.
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Speaker 1: struck down, fatally hit by a car, according to prosecutors.
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Speaker 1: Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I
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Speaker 1: want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: The worst possible thing that can happen to anyone happened
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Speaker 2: to my daughter. So it's been a complete nightmare. I
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Speaker 2: got a call from the hospital stating that she was
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Speaker 2: in critical condition. When I saw her, I knew that
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Speaker 2: something terrible had happened.
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Speaker 1: The female judge who's presiding over this case has a
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Speaker 1: son who's a convicted serial rapist. This is not justice.
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Speaker 1: Joining us tonight is an incredibly special guest and someone
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Speaker 1: I call a friend. It's Ashley Bostert. Ashley is Maddie's
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Speaker 1: mother who has endured hell, has gone to hell, come back,
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Speaker 1: and now she's fighting for justice for her daughter, Maddie. Ashley,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us tonight.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, Nancy. It's always a pleasure.
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Speaker 1: I will never forget the first time you and I spoke.
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Speaker 1: about what you went through the night that Maddie was killed. I,
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Speaker 1: if you recall, had to stop in the middle of
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Speaker 1: our discussion and walk out and come back to try
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Speaker 1: to maintain a normal facade. But I'm going to get
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Speaker 1: to all the legal implications of you can't wear a
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Speaker 1: pinking cord and you can't do this and you can't do,
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Speaker 1: But I want our listeners, our viewers, to understand what
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Speaker 1: happened that night. And I know it's painful to go through.
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Speaker 1: But if you could, Ashley, please explain what you went
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Speaker 1: through the night that Maddie was killed.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: So that was just a normal week. We were finishing
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Speaker 2: up Christmas break. She was going back to school to
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Speaker 2: start her third semester of college at LSU. She was
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Speaker 2: celebrating a birthday weekend. I was packing her up. We
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Speaker 2: were moving her into the sorority house that Sunday. So
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Speaker 2: she went out with friends and she was very intoxicated
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Speaker 2: and ended up basically being taken by the four individuals
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Speaker 2: that are included in this case. And after she left
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Speaker 2: with them, she was assaulted by multiple perpetrators. She was
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Speaker 2: then hit by an Uber driver that was not intoxicated
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Speaker 2: or impaired. So there were no charges for him. I
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Speaker 2: received several phone calls from the hospital around four o'clock
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Speaker 2: in the morning and I did not hear them. The
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Speaker 2: last final call was, I believe, at like 5 a.m.
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Speaker 2: And I did answer that. And I was just told
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Speaker 2: that she was in ICU at the hospital there in
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Speaker 2: Baton Rouge in serious condition. they didn't give me any details,
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Speaker 2: but I knew that it was very bad. So I
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Speaker 2: knew that I would not be able to drive. I
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Speaker 2: called my parents. My husband had to stay here. I
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Speaker 2: have two other small children. So my husband stayed here.
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Speaker 2: My mother and my stepfather drove me to the hospital.
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Speaker 2: And that is when the nightmare unraveled that, um, he
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Speaker 2: was no longer with us. Um, And it's just a
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Speaker 2: horrible experience that I don't want anyone to ever have
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Speaker 2: to go through. So much of what happened that night
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Speaker 2: could have been different. She did go with a friend.
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Speaker 2: She did not run out to the bar, as some
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Speaker 2: of the clippings have showed.
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Speaker 1: You know, Ashley, the over-serving her That's a whole other
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Speaker 1: can of worms, her having too much alcohol.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 1: But I've looked at the video of her leaving, and
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Speaker 1: you're right. She left with a group. There she is.
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Speaker 1: And at first you see her sprinting across. But then
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Speaker 1: if you watch this long enough, there you go. She's
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Speaker 1: met up with people. Guys, keep showing it. Because all
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Speaker 1: anybody ever sees is her go, look at that. It's
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Speaker 1: her running out wearing her little boots. But then if
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Speaker 1: you see the rest of the video, it verifies what
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Speaker 1: you just said. This is all anybody ever shows. Like
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Speaker 1: she's running to her own death. That is not the
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Speaker 1: whole story, Ashley.
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Speaker 5: Right. Right.
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Speaker 2: That is not the whole story. And that's why I
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Speaker 2: don't read comments on any of what is happening. is
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Speaker 2: brought out to the media because they don't know. And
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Speaker 2: that's what the trial is for. And the evidence that
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Speaker 2: the DA have worked very hard to obtain is solid.
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Speaker 2: And I have to believe that it will be a
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Speaker 2: good outcome, that she will receive justice. I have to
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Speaker 2: believe that. I can't sleep or continue to move forward
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Speaker 2: if I don't have my faith that that's going to happen.
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Speaker 1: Guys, that video we were showing you is from our
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Speaker 1: friends at WBRZ. And I'm going to say, Ashley, that
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Speaker 1: you really inspired me after we met in person with
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Speaker 1: your incredible faith in our Lord. Yeah. You've inspired a
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Speaker 1: lot of people. So just know that. And you continue
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Speaker 1: to inspire people. And, you know, you're put in many
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Speaker 1: people's paths. I think, to encourage us in our faith
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Speaker 1: and in your belief that there will be justice for Maddie.
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Speaker 1: I noticed, and I noticed it every time we've ever talked,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to get to your organization. I really
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Speaker 1: missed being there last year, and I hope I can
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Speaker 1: be there this year. The Maddie Brooks Foundation. But every
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Speaker 1: time I talk to you, you gloss over, as do
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Speaker 1: I when I'm as to tell my story, you gloss
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Speaker 1: over what you endured that night. You get this call.
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Speaker 1: You race to the hospital. And when you got there,
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Speaker 1: what happened?
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Speaker 2: My baby was in an awful condition. And she was
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Speaker 2: with Jesus. And I know that God sent those two
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Speaker 2: people in her path. They were the last people to
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Speaker 2: be with her. And I thank him for that every
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Speaker 2: day that those two angels were sent to pray with
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Speaker 2: her and to be with her for the very last
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Speaker 2: moments of her life. And that does give me some peace.
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Speaker 1: Ashley, you were taken back to Maddie. you state that
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Speaker 1: she was already with our Lord. But she was physically alive.
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Speaker 1: What did you observe?
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Speaker 2: They were keeping her alive because she was an organ
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Speaker 2: donor and they were going to use her organs. But
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Speaker 2: also her father was living in Florida at the time.
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Speaker 2: So they were trying to keep her stable so that
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Speaker 2: he could see her before they had to take her
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Speaker 2: back and do all of the testing. And they did
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Speaker 2: the rape kit and all of that stuff at that time.
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Speaker 1: Could you recognize her?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I could recognize her, but she was extremely swollen
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Speaker 2: from the trauma. I mean, she had teeth that were
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Speaker 2: knocked out. You got to realize this truck was probably
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Speaker 2: going 40 miles an hour and hit her from behind.
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Speaker 2: She didn't see it coming. Another blessing. I think it
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Speaker 2: was instant. And the two Good Samaritans that saw her
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Speaker 2: in the middle of the road initially thought it was
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Speaker 2: a deer. And so they were going to help the
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Speaker 2: driver move it. And that's when they realized that it
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Speaker 2: was a young woman. And she had her belongings and
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Speaker 2: they were able to identify her and those two people's
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Speaker 2: with her at that hospital until I got there many
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Speaker 2: hours later.
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Speaker 1: You stated that they spoke to her and they prayed
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Speaker 1: with her do you think she was conscious or aware
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Speaker 1: of what was happening did they ever tell you that
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Speaker 1: I know you've talked to them.
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Speaker 2: They don't know. I don't believe so. I truly believe
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Speaker 2: that this was an instant. The impact just took her immediately.
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Speaker 2: And I believe that Jesus was right in front of her.
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Speaker 2: And I don't think that she was aware of what
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Speaker 2: had happened to her. I don't because Maddie would have
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Speaker 2: thought like, they would have had she would have fought
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Speaker 2: so I mean she was definitely I think not in
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Speaker 2: any shape way or form able to to consciously understand
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Speaker 2: what they were doing to her.
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Speaker 1: Ashley when you describe how you saw Maddie in the
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Speaker 1: hospital and she's so swollen and teeth missing and hooked
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Speaker 1: up to all sort of Devices to keep her alive.
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Speaker 1: I tried to put that out of my mind. This
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Speaker 1: is how I think of Maddie, flying free. Could you
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Speaker 1: describe what she's doing up in the air in the
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Speaker 1: video you sent me?
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Speaker 2: She was so adventurous. I mean, she lived a very
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Speaker 2: full life. Traveled a lot, loved travel, loved adventures. And
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Speaker 2: right before her death, She had a bucket list to
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Speaker 2: go skydiving over the Grand Canyon. And as soon as
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Speaker 2: she was old enough, she made that decision with her dad.
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Speaker 2: And there she is. And she told me, she said, Mom,
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Speaker 2: it was the most beautiful, peaceful experience. And I want to,
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Speaker 2: in my mind, I say that that was her little
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Speaker 2: tour of heaven right before she passed. And I am very,
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Speaker 2: very fortunate to have experienced a wonderful trip with her.
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Speaker 2: Two weeks before her death, as her dad did as well,
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Speaker 2: this was over the Thanksgiving break. They spent the week
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Speaker 2: in Sedona.
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Speaker 1: This is how I think of Maddie.
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Speaker 2: Yes. That is completely her. Just so happy. So full
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Speaker 2: of life. People still to this day will message me
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Speaker 2: and reach out and say, I just want to let
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Speaker 2: you know that Your daughter was the only kind person.
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Speaker 2: She would always tell me hi. She would always see
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Speaker 2: how I was doing. If I was sitting by myself
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Speaker 2: at lunch, she would come sit with me. And I said,
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Speaker 2: that was her. That was her. She was just a
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Speaker 2: good person that contributed to the world in a positive
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Speaker 2: way by her character and by the goodness of her heart.
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Speaker 2: She loved people and she loved life. And I know
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Speaker 2: that she's got a big job in heaven helping Jesus
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Speaker 2: as well.
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Speaker 1: Ashley, the colors that you have picked up for the
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Speaker 1: Maddie Brooks Foundation, the colors you've picked out, include pink.
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Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 3: And.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how you do it. You keep getting
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Speaker 1: knocked down and you keep standing back up. You remind
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Speaker 1: me of a prize fighter. But you're in the ring.
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Speaker 1: You never walk away. You get back in the ring
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Speaker 1: and you stand back up and you keep on fighting.
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Speaker 1: This latest thing where you're not supposed to wear pink
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Speaker 1: in the courtroom is I mean, it's just another thing.
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Speaker 1: I know it's inconsequential to hang with it. Nobody cares.
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Speaker 1: But it's just another blow, another blow to you. What
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Speaker 1: was your response when you learned the defense is trying
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Speaker 1: in a bizarre move to keep you or other people
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Speaker 1: from wearing pink in the courtroom because it might trigger
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Speaker 1: the jury to think about the Manny Brooks Foundation? It's insane.
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Speaker 2: It really is. It was very disappointing because we have
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Speaker 2: always worn pink for any of these proceedings and have
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Speaker 2: been very peaceful. We're not causing any kind of drama
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Speaker 2: or we don't have posters or anything like that. We
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Speaker 2: just do it because that was her favorite color. And
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Speaker 2: we do it to honor and love her. And that's
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Speaker 2: really the only purpose of it. So I'm glad that
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Speaker 2: we are able to.
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Speaker 1: What did you think when you're, when the legal team
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Speaker 1: told you, you may not be able to wear Maddie's
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Speaker 1: favorite color in court?
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Speaker 2: Oh, I was shocked. I, but again, some of these
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Speaker 2: motions don't seem to shock me anymore. You know, I
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Speaker 2: just said, okay, well, if I can't wear pink, then
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Speaker 2: you know what? We're all going to wear purple. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you know, you just move forward. It was disappointing, but, um,
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Speaker 2: I'm very happy that the judge did agree to allow
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Speaker 2: us to at least wear pink. So we are.
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Speaker 1: Ashley, I'm not going to go through all of the
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Speaker 1: evidentiary issues that we are addressing tonight. But could you
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Speaker 1: just tell our viewers and our listeners how you manage?
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Speaker 1: Every day, there's another slap down. Every day, there's another problem.
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Speaker 1: You never quit. You never quit. And I know you
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Speaker 1: get hurt. I've seen you cry. I've seen you break down.
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Speaker 1: But look at you tonight. Controlled, calm, collected, beautiful, elegant,
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Speaker 1: yet still fighting. How do you just keep going?
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Speaker 2: Nancy, if you would have told me six years ago
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Speaker 2: that I was going to lose my baby, I would
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Speaker 2: have told you I would not survive. But I think
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Speaker 2: that God has equipped me with the ability to move
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Speaker 2: forward because I am here for a purpose and my
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Speaker 2: time is not yet, I'm still, I'm still, I still
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Speaker 2: need to be here and carry on my purpose. And
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Speaker 2: I have my two other boys that I need to
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Speaker 2: be here for. And I just have to keep going
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Speaker 2: because I know that this time on earth is just
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Speaker 2: a glimpse. It's eternity that we're all here for. And
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Speaker 2: that is what I have to look forward to.
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Speaker 1: Well, you're amazing. And your words inspire me and they
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Speaker 1: must inspire so many other people. Joining us tonight, a
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Speaker 1: woman I'm so proud to call my friend, Ashley Bostert.
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Speaker 1: She is Maddie's mom and she is fighting for justice.
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Speaker 1: Our prayers go on, Ashley, our prayers go on. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: Hello. This is our lady of the lake hospital in
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Speaker 7: Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I'm calling to look for Ashley Boster, uh,
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Speaker 7: in regards to Madison Brooks. She has, um, come in
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Speaker 7: here to the hospital and to the emergency room and
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Speaker 7: was just trying to touch base with you, if you
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Speaker 7: could give us a call and ask to speak for
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Speaker 7: the emergency room.
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Speaker 8: We were just coming down Burbank when we saw the
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Speaker 8: truck stopped in the road.
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Speaker 6: I saw something in front of it, and my initial
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Speaker 6: thought was, oh, this dude just hit an animal. I
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Speaker 6: was like, oh, Catherine, that's a girl. Like, I'm going
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Speaker 6: to go help him. So I got out of the car,
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Speaker 6: and I walked up to the driver, and I looked
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Speaker 6: at him, and I was like, hey, man, like, what the.
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Speaker 9: Hell's going on?
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Speaker 6: He was like, I hit this girl like she was
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Speaker 6: in the middle of the road. I had no clue
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Speaker 6: she was right there. I didn't see her. I bent
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Speaker 6: down and I first tried to move her shoulder around
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Speaker 6: and say, hey, are you okay?
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Speaker 10: Can you hear me?
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Speaker 6: Can you hear me? And after that, there was no response.
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Speaker 6: I checked her pulse on her neck and I felt, well,
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Speaker 6: I didn't feel anything. So that's when I started doing
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Speaker 6: CPR compressions.
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Speaker 8: I found her purse in the road and it was
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Speaker 8: on It was almost in the median. And I found
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Speaker 8: her ID, so I was able to give that to
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Speaker 8: the cops. And it's crazy when that.
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Speaker 1: Stuff's going on.
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Speaker 8: Like, I was picking up things off the road.
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Speaker 1: Like, I picked up her shoes and everything. Those Good
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Speaker 1: Samaritans stayed with 19-year-old Maddie, who was dying in the road.
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Speaker 1: When Maddie's mother made it to the hospital... She could
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Speaker 1: barely recognize her daughter. Her body was so swollen, her
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Speaker 1: teeth missing. They kept her alive for her father to
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Speaker 1: get there before she went on to heaven. And because
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Speaker 1: Maddie was an organ donor. What you just heard is
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Speaker 1: from our friends over at Fox Nation. What? happened to
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Speaker 1: this beautiful teen girl? Why is she dead? A trial brewing,
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Speaker 1: looming in a Louisiana courtroom. But I want you to
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Speaker 1: see some of the last known video of Maddie. This
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Speaker 1: is at Tigerland at LSU. There's Maddie. She's leaving to
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Speaker 1: go home. Many people show that clip. What they don't
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Speaker 1: show is the rest of that clip. When she is
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Speaker 1: approached by this group of men in the parking lot
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Speaker 1: along to their vehicle. In that vehicle, according to prosecutors,
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Speaker 1: she is repeatedly sex assaulted and more. She's then put
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Speaker 1: out of the car where she is immediately hit by
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Speaker 1: a speeding car and she dies. In the midst of
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Speaker 1: all of that heartbreaking scenario, what's at issue? The color pink?
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Speaker 1: That's what we're arguing about. That is what the defense
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Speaker 1: is arguing about. What a waste of my time. And
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Speaker 1: forget about me. Forget about you. Maddie Brooks is dead
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Speaker 1: and suffered before her death, according to prosecutors. And they're
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Speaker 1: whining about the color pink? Straight out to Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Dave Mack. What is happening? Nancy.
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Speaker 9: Nancy.
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Speaker 11: As you mentioned, Pink has taken over this trial. The
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Speaker 11: defense actually filed paperwork. They wanted to prevent any of
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Speaker 11: Madison Brooks' family, friends, supporters to wear the color pink
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Speaker 11: or any kind.
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Speaker 9: Of images on their shirts in pink. And the reason
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Speaker 9: is this.
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Speaker 11: They said Madison Brooks Foundation was started by Madison's mother,
21:49
Speaker 11: to raise awareness for sexual assault victims. And they used
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Speaker 11: pink because it was Maddie's favorite color. And the defense
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Speaker 11: attorney actually used Madison Brooks' name in public in these
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Speaker 11: papers filed in court, which is against the law. You
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Speaker 11: don't name sexual assault victims. And all of this over
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Speaker 11: the color pink. It's shocking that that's where we are, Nancy.
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Speaker 2: To Dr.
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall joining us tonight, renowned psycho analyst out of
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Speaker 1: the L.A. jurisdiction. You can see her on Hulu, Bravo, Peacock.
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Speaker 1: She has a new hit podcast, the Dr. Bethany Marshall podcast. Bethany,
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Speaker 1: why is this happening?
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Speaker 2: Why?
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Speaker 1: Maddie is dead and suffered horrifically, according to prosecutors, before
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Speaker 1: her death at the hands of more than one man.
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Speaker 1: It was on video for Pete's sake. Bethany, you and
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Speaker 1: I have seen the video.
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Speaker 10: It's horrible.
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Speaker 1: Yes, we have. There was someone yucking it up, videoing
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Speaker 1: the sex attack. I mean, and they're arguing about somebody
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Speaker 1: wearing a pink t-shirt. Seriously.
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Speaker 4: You know, Nancy, the defense attorney has continually denigrated the
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Speaker 4: victim all the way through and actually speaking her name
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Speaker 4: in a public setting is just another way to denigrate her.
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Speaker 4: to kind of shame her for having been over-served at
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Speaker 4: the bar. You know, you can't tell me that the
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Speaker 4: defendants won't have their families sitting there in court, that
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Speaker 4: their families won't be dressed up, looking their finest, trying
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Speaker 4: to show that these boys are loved in some way.
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Speaker 4: Can't Madison's family?
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Speaker 1: They're not boys. Let's just, let's just get that straight.
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Speaker 3: This is true.
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Speaker 1: These are young men. They are men. Continue.
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Speaker 4: Well, these are men who knew exactly what they were doing,
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Speaker 4: picked her up in the parking lot. But, you know,
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Speaker 4: Madison is loved by her family and any family is
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Speaker 4: allowed to go to court and show their love for
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Speaker 4: somebody who's being represented in a criminal proceeding. That is
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Speaker 4: all this is that showing that she was a beloved person, vulnerable,
23:59
Speaker 4: went into a bar and a place that was supposed
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Speaker 4: to protect her. Nancy adults owned this bar adults. This
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Speaker 4: was an adult establishment with multiple staff members. who knew
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Speaker 4: to look around and make sure that underage individuals should
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Speaker 4: not have been served. And this young woman was unprotected
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Speaker 4: from the very beginning all the way through to the end.
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Speaker 4: You can't tell me that those boys did, those men.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, Bethany? She's being protected now, right here,
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Speaker 1: right now, tonight. And this is gibberish. Eric Faddis, you're
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Speaker 1: a veteran defense attorney. Do you ever get tired of
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Speaker 1: standing up in court and uttering gibberish like, nanny, nanny, boo-boo,
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Speaker 1: you can't wear the color pink? Maddie is dead. She
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Speaker 1: suffered horribly, according to the state, before her death, in
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Speaker 1: the worst way. And they're arguing about the color pink?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Nancy, I try to do it more articulately
24:59
Speaker 3: than that. But look, the Constitution grants a right to
25:02
Speaker 3: a fair trial to an impartial jury. That jury cannot
25:04
Speaker 3: be subjected to outside influences and pressures. Think about the
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Speaker 3: Lindsay Clancy case. All of her supporters were in pink.
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Speaker 3: If they were in the courtroom in droves and the
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Speaker 3: jury saw that, they might think to themselves, hey, I
25:16
Speaker 3: can't convict this person. If I do, what's going to
25:19
Speaker 3: happen to me? Perhaps something bad. And then flip the
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Speaker 3: script in this case, if the alleged victim's supporters go
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Speaker 3: in there in pink, the jury might think, hey, what
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Speaker 3: if I do not find this person guilty? Are these
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Speaker 3: people going to be mad at me? Is something bad
25:31
Speaker 3: going to happen to me? All of that is problematic
25:33
Speaker 3: from a constitutional perspective.
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Speaker 1: Are you actually trying to argue that the jury was
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Speaker 1: afraid of the little old ladies on the back row
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Speaker 1: wearing pink and Clancy? Because they did. What they thought
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Speaker 1: was going to be a vigilante mob of t-shirt pinks
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Speaker 1: attacking them. That did not happen. So what, what are
25:54
Speaker 1: you saying?
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Speaker 2: Oh gosh.
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Speaker 3: I think there were hundreds of supporters for Lindsay Clancy.
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Speaker 3: And I think jury pressure was a real issue in
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Speaker 3: that case as publicized. I think the court wants to
26:04
Speaker 3: avoid that. That kind of an issue here. We can't
26:07
Speaker 3: have this outside influence. Jurors feeling under duress to go
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Speaker 3: or to vote a certain way just because of the makeup.
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Speaker 1: Because Maddie's mother wears pink. Put him up. I certainly
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Speaker 1: am not going to accuse you of being an erudite
26:24
Speaker 1: legal scholar.
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Speaker 10: Okay.
26:26
Speaker 1: Because you're a street fighter trial lawyer like myself, but
26:28
Speaker 1: I'm sure that you are familiar with the U.S. Supreme Court.
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Speaker 1: I recall 2006, U.S. v. Moose Ledeen. In that case,
26:38
Speaker 1: such a ban on what spectators wore was struck down. Now,
26:43
Speaker 1: I have reason to believe that the feds, the U.S.
26:47
Speaker 1: Supreme Court, did that because a federal court had struck
26:52
Speaker 1: that down. and had banned T-shirts, buttons, and so forth
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Speaker 1: in the courtroom. I think the Supremes were really speaking
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Speaker 1: to the federal court making a state court ruling. But,
27:06
Speaker 1: you know, the whole separation of powers between the state
27:09
Speaker 1: and the feds, that said, they allowed in U.S. v.
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Speaker 1: Musladeen for T-shirts, buttons, and so forth to be worn
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Speaker 1: in the courtroom. Then you've got other similar cases such
27:22
Speaker 1: as in the Jody Arias prosecution. Travis Alexander buttons were worn.
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Speaker 1: I wore one in the courtroom. There have been other
27:30
Speaker 1: cases that dealt with gang affiliation colors. There have been
27:36
Speaker 1: cases that dealt with a Let's Go Brandon t-shirt. Many
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Speaker 1: cases have been hinged on this argument. So this is
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Speaker 1: old territory. So are you actually fighting with U.S. versus Musladeen?
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Speaker 3: Just because the Supreme Court says a lower court can
27:57
Speaker 3: do something doesn't always mean it has to do something.
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Speaker 3: Trial courts have sound discretion when it comes to courtroom decorum,
28:03
Speaker 3: when it comes to what's happening in the gallery, and
28:05
Speaker 3: they place a premium on the defendant's constitutional rights to
28:09
Speaker 3: a fair trial and to an impartial jury. They got
28:11
Speaker 3: to make sure that is sacrosanct and that there is
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Speaker 3: no threat to that. If the court sees a threat
28:15
Speaker 3: to that, they're allowed to issue orders consistent with ensuring
28:19
Speaker 3: that fair trial.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Let's go through the facts.
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Speaker 1: Dave Mack, I keep commenting on the irony that we're
28:38
Speaker 1: arguing about the color pink when such a horrible fact
28:43
Speaker 1: scenario is going to be handed over to a jury.
28:47
Speaker 1: What happened to.
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Speaker 11: Nancy, Madison Brooks left Reggie's at about 1.54 a.m.
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Speaker 9: And got in the car, drove around while two of
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Speaker 9: the men in the.
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Speaker 11: Backseat allegedly raped and assaulted Madison Brooks. Two other men
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Speaker 11: in the front seats won videoing things. At approximately 2.50 a.m.,
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Speaker 11: Madison Brooks is struck by a vehicle. She's out by
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Speaker 11: herself at 2.50 in the morning and is struck. Now, thankfully,
29:23
Speaker 11: there were people standing by that it rendered aid. They
29:26
Speaker 11: called 911.
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Speaker 1: From our friends at WBRZ.
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Speaker 5: January 15th, Madison Brooks, a 19-year-old sophomore at LSU, goes
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Speaker 5: to Reggie's Bar in Tigerland. She's been there many times
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Speaker 5: before with her. friends. We see her entering the bar
29:42
Speaker 5: on surveillance footage at around 10 p.m. Inside the bar,
29:47
Speaker 5: she meets young men. Some of them, well, one of
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Speaker 5: them at least, is under the age of 18. Over
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Speaker 5: the next four hours, inside the bar, Maddie is drinking. Now,
29:57
Speaker 5: it gets to around... 1.50 a.m. By this point, Maddie
30:02
Speaker 5: is drunk. She's been seen falling inside the bar, falling
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Speaker 5: outside the bar. But she and these four men decide
30:10
Speaker 5: to leave the bar. They walk to a vehicle. They
30:17
Speaker 5: drive a short distance where they pull over. Now, over
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Speaker 5: the course of the next hour, Maddie is either raped
30:25
Speaker 5: or has consensual sex with two of these young men.
30:29
Speaker 5: They take turns. One gets out of the vehicle while
30:32
Speaker 5: the other has sex with her or rapes her. Then
30:35
Speaker 5: they swap over. 2.50 a.m. approximately, the driver, Cason, says,
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Speaker 5: we've got to cut this out. It's time to go.
30:43
Speaker 5: I'm taking her home. Maddie can't remember her address. She
30:47
Speaker 5: insists on getting out of the car. That's what they say.
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Speaker 5: So they drop her off on a subsection. She gets
30:54
Speaker 5: out of the vehicle and she is then hit by
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Speaker 5: a different car and she later dies in the hospital.
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Speaker 1: From our friends at Daily Mail and WBRZ to Dr.
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, you and I have both seen the video
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Speaker 1: they took of Maddie being allegedly sex assaulted. And I
31:18
Speaker 1: find it very hard to believe, based on what I
31:21
Speaker 1: saw in the video, that any of that was consensual.
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Speaker 4: Nancy, her blood alcohol level was so high when they
31:31
Speaker 4: ran the tox report. There is no way that she
31:35
Speaker 4: could have given consent. What happened in that car is
31:39
Speaker 4: that they targeted a young woman who was very inebriated,
31:43
Speaker 4: likely blacked out nancy she probably had no idea where
31:47
Speaker 4: she was and then as as daily mail said they
31:51
Speaker 4: just dropped her out in the street but no not
31:54
Speaker 4: only could she not give consent nancy but they videotaped
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Speaker 4: her they laughed i mean she was just an object
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Speaker 4: to abuse they othered her once they got her in
32:03
Speaker 4: that car nancy They played by their own code of ethics,
32:07
Speaker 4: not the code of ethics that we play by in
32:10
Speaker 4: the world. They felt that they were immune. They could
32:12
Speaker 4: do whatever they wanted to her. And that because she
32:15
Speaker 4: was inebriated, that she was an it, a thing, somebody
32:20
Speaker 4: that they could dehumanize and see as an other. And
32:23
Speaker 4: now they have to stand in court and face the
32:26
Speaker 4: fact that she is a real human being with family
32:29
Speaker 4: who love her and that she loved the color pink.
32:32
Speaker 4: She's a person. She's not an it, a thing or another.
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Speaker 1: Then there is the issue of damning text messages.
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Speaker 12: I think that you, when presented with that kind of
32:47
Speaker 12: text message evidence, I think it needs to be vetted out.
32:50
Speaker 12: I think a motion to recuse is appropriate to vet
32:54
Speaker 12: out that evidence. But ultimately, if a court decides, no,
32:57
Speaker 12: there's not an issue of recusal there, or more specifically,
33:00
Speaker 12: if an appellate court says no recusal issues, then that's
33:03
Speaker 12: completely okay.
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Speaker 1: Text message evidence. That's from our friends at Fox News Digital.
33:08
Speaker 1: Let's just start with Desmond Carter texting his mother. My
33:13
Speaker 1: mama told me don't say none. His words, not mine.
33:19
Speaker 1: My mother told me don't say anything. Okay. Why? Why
33:29
Speaker 1: should that be suppressed? To you, Faddis, you've got his
33:33
Speaker 1: mother telling him don't say anything. I mean, if a
33:36
Speaker 1: friend of mine had been killed on the side of
33:38
Speaker 1: the road, I would do everything I could to cooperate
33:41
Speaker 1: with police. Why not him?
33:44
Speaker 3: Well, in part, Nancy, because we don't hold a person's
33:47
Speaker 3: invocation of a constitutional right against them at trial. And
33:50
Speaker 3: this is tantamount to that. What he's talking about is
33:54
Speaker 3: not wanting to make a statement, and that is protected
33:57
Speaker 3: under the Constitution. And so statements that are consistent with
34:01
Speaker 3: such an invocation should not be held against him. It
34:03
Speaker 3: makes him look suspicious like he's hiding something when really
34:07
Speaker 3: he might just be asserting his rights and putting himself
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Speaker 3: in the best legal position when facing some extremely serious accusations.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. You're somehow trying
34:17
Speaker 1: to evoke the right to remain silent in damning text
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Speaker 1: messages sent by the defendants, one defendant to their mother.
34:27
Speaker 1: There is no privilege about what you say to your mother.
34:29
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? The privilege to remain silent.
34:33
Speaker 1: is in court or when you are under questioning. When
34:36
Speaker 1: you have been detained by police, you have a right
34:38
Speaker 1: to the Fifth Amendment, right to remain silent. It doesn't
34:41
Speaker 1: protect you blabbing to your mommy in writing on a text.
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Speaker 3: It would be like if a person was pulled over
34:48
Speaker 3: and they didn't consent to a search, which is their
34:51
Speaker 3: constitutional right, and then they texted their mother, I didn't
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Speaker 3: consent to that search. The non-consent at the scene would
34:57
Speaker 3: not be admissible, and likewise, and for the same reasons.
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Speaker 3: The statement to the mother reiterating that invocation of a
35:03
Speaker 3: constitutional right should also be suppressed, in my opinion.
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Speaker 1: Okay. In your opinion, while the law is against you,
35:08
Speaker 1: because when someone refuses a search, that is admissible evidence
35:13
Speaker 1: in court. When someone chooses to remain silent, there cannot
35:16
Speaker 1: be a comment on that. You cannot comment that the
35:19
Speaker 1: person chose to remain silent or chose not to testify.
35:23
Speaker 1: But when you start writing and texting your mommy about,
35:26
Speaker 1: There's a problem. This digital forensic evidence is going to
35:29
Speaker 1: come in. Why else would your mother say, don't say anything?
35:33
Speaker 1: In the midst of all of this courtroom drama, as
35:36
Speaker 1: the trial gears up, getting lost in the sauce, what
35:41
Speaker 1: happened to Maddie? What actually happened to Maddie? Joining us tonight,
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Speaker 1: a renowned chief medical examiner for Tarrant County, that's Fort Worth,
35:52
Speaker 1: the star of Mayhem in the Morgue on YouTube, an
35:55
Speaker 1: esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU,
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Speaker 1: Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Kendall Crowns. What exactly happened to Maddie?
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Speaker 10: So from the death certificate, her cause of death is
36:11
Speaker 10: multiple traumatic injuries. So she's hit by a car. When
36:15
Speaker 10: the car strikes her, it's going to, of course, break bones.
36:18
Speaker 10: It's going to, depending on the size of the vehicle,
36:20
Speaker 10: it'll crush her legs, break her pelvis, and then her
36:23
Speaker 10: body will slip into the hood of the car, causing
36:26
Speaker 10: traumatic injuries to her head and face, skull fractures, rib fractures.
36:31
Speaker 10: You'll get tearing of the organs or lacerations of the
36:35
Speaker 10: organs as well, tearing of the lungs and heart. And
36:38
Speaker 10: then you'll get brain injury problems. contusions of the brain,
36:42
Speaker 10: lacerations of the brain, and hemorrhage of the brain itself,
36:45
Speaker 10: secondary to the skull fractures. Some of the descriptions of
36:49
Speaker 10: her being at the hospital with her face swollen, the
36:52
Speaker 10: swelling can be from all the fluids they're pumping into her,
36:55
Speaker 10: but it can also be from the extensive traumatic injuries
36:58
Speaker 10: that she received where she has a slight survival time
37:01
Speaker 10: and her face just begins to swell and puff from
37:04
Speaker 10: all the damage that was done by the car. So
37:07
Speaker 10: when they say multiple traumatic injuries, it can be a
37:09
Speaker 10: myriad of things. But more likely than not, with a
37:12
Speaker 10: car hitting a pedestrian, it's going to be skull fractures,
37:15
Speaker 10: rib fractures, extremities fractures, and then traumatic injuries to the
37:19
Speaker 10: brain and internal organs.
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Speaker 1: Dr. Kendall-Crowns, I assume the rape kit is performed post-mortem.
37:30
Speaker 1: Let me talk to you about her mother's statement that she, Maddie,
37:36
Speaker 1: had gone on to Christ, on to Jesus. by the
37:41
Speaker 1: time that her mother got there. When a victim is
37:47
Speaker 1: in the lay vernacular, brain dead, what does that mean?
37:53
Speaker 1: Because Maddie was breathing, her heart was pumping, but she
37:56
Speaker 1: was on life support.
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Speaker 10: So brain dead basically means her higher cognitive functions like
38:04
Speaker 10: your ability to think, feel, emotions, things of that nature,
38:07
Speaker 10: your consciousness, what makes us human. is gone. It's dead.
38:11
Speaker 10: You have enough damage to the actual brain itself that
38:14
Speaker 10: those functions are no longer there. The thing is, is
38:17
Speaker 10: the brainstem, on the other hand, our rudimentary core that
38:20
Speaker 10: is basically our thing that links us to everything else,
38:24
Speaker 10: the brainstem does the things you don't think about. Your heartbeat,
38:29
Speaker 10: your breathing, things of that nature. So as long as
38:31
Speaker 10: the brainstem is still intact, your body stays alive because
38:35
Speaker 10: the body, of course, that's its main purpose, is to
38:38
Speaker 10: stay alive. but your higher functions are gone. So you're
38:41
Speaker 10: basically no longer a person. You're just a brain stem
38:45
Speaker 10: that's continuing to keep the body heart pumping, the lungs breathing,
38:51
Speaker 10: but you're a vegetable. So when you're brain dead, that
38:54
Speaker 10: means your higher functions are all gone. Your brain stem
38:57
Speaker 10: just hasn't figured out you're dead yet, and it keeps
38:59
Speaker 10: everything going.
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Speaker 1: Then we've got the whole other can of worms about
39:04
Speaker 1: the judge's son, who was convicted of rape. Do I
39:07
Speaker 1: have that right, Dave Mack? And as I recall, it
39:09
Speaker 1: wasn't just one incident. Why is that judge on the
39:12
Speaker 1: bench in a rape case?
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Speaker 11: Judge Gail Horn Ray of Baton Rouge has a son
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Speaker 11: named Nilsen Dan Taylor, who was convicted of multiple rapes, Nancy,
39:24
Speaker 11: multiple rapes. This conviction, of course, has drawn a lot
39:28
Speaker 11: of attention because of Madison Brooks' current case.
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Speaker 1: Wait, is that her son right there? That's the judge's son?
39:36
Speaker 1: That's his mugshot?
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Speaker 9: Right there.
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Speaker 11: That is Nilsen Dan Taylor. Now, these attacks took place
39:41
Speaker 11: in 95 and 96, Nancy.
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Speaker 9: Oh, hold on.
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Speaker 5: Dave, Dave, look.
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Speaker 1: That's the same man. And it's certainly not an age
39:50
Speaker 1: progression because it's a different shirt. How many mugshots does
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Speaker 1: this guy have?
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Speaker 11: He's going to have several, Nancy, because it wasn't just
39:57
Speaker 11: one rape. He began his sexual assault slash rape career
40:03
Speaker 11: in high school at the age of 17. Prosecutors say
40:07
Speaker 11: that Taylor committed a series of attacks against girls, including
40:11
Speaker 11: some of his classmates, while he's a teenager in high school.
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Speaker 9: Now, they describe that his attacks... victims.
40:17
Speaker 11: Were surprised in their own bedrooms, Nancy, as they wake
40:21
Speaker 11: up to him standing over them, threatening them with weapons.
40:25
Speaker 11: Content of his rapes were multiple. He did wear a mask.
40:29
Speaker 11: He carried a knife or a gun. He used tape
40:32
Speaker 11: to cover his victims' eyes and mouths. And again, I
40:36
Speaker 11: want to go back to, he entered these girls, he
40:38
Speaker 11: entered their bedrooms at night, meaning he knew which bedroom
40:42
Speaker 11: in the house where the girl was sleeping.
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Speaker 9: These are people he knew from school.
40:49
Speaker 11: And anyway, he actually pleaded guilty and resolved his criminal
40:53
Speaker 11: charges without a trial. All of these attacks occurring between
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Speaker 11: 95 and 96. In 2026, Taylor returns to court seeking
41:03
Speaker 11: to have the old rape convictions and sentence set aside.
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Speaker 11: He argued that the 2001 motion concerning his conviction had
41:10
Speaker 11: never been resolved. He was arrested in October of 2024
41:14
Speaker 11: over an alleged incident involving a hotel maid. On August 18, 2026,
41:18
Speaker 11: he pleaded guilty to an obscenity charge and received a
41:23
Speaker 11: one-year sentence with credit for time served. He has, again,
41:27
Speaker 11: been seeking to have his older convictions and sentence set aside.
41:31
Speaker 11: So he is a veteran of the criminal justice system,
41:34
Speaker 11: having been convicted of multiple rapes using a gun, knife,
41:40
Speaker 11: and a mask.
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Speaker 1: Dave Mack, it's not just that the judge's son is
41:45
Speaker 1: a multiple convicted rapist. We have obtained texts by the
41:51
Speaker 1: defendants indicate they know the judge is, quote, on their side.
41:56
Speaker 1: Everything's good. The judge reset it for next Wednesday. She
41:59
Speaker 1: had a problem opening all the discovery for the phones,
42:02
Speaker 1: but Joe said she's going to rule in our favor.
42:05
Speaker 1: How the hey do they know in advance the judge
42:09
Speaker 1: is going to rule in their favor ahead of time?
42:13
Speaker 1: How do they know that? Next, because you know I
42:17
Speaker 1: was stressed about today, but he still says we are
42:20
Speaker 1: good and the judge is on our side. Wait a
42:24
Speaker 1: minute to Feb 3. Case and Carter, defend it. And
42:28
Speaker 1: the judge we're getting, I think you know about, but
42:31
Speaker 1: we are friends with her, and she's really good for
42:35
Speaker 1: our case. Her son was accused of rape a while back,
42:38
Speaker 1: so she knows how to help us. What? Knows how
42:43
Speaker 1: to help us look at the charges. This is why
42:48
Speaker 1: it's critical. Desmond Carter, first degree rape, third degree rape.
42:53
Speaker 1: Kaysen Carver, first degree rape, third degree rape. Video voyeurism.
43:01
Speaker 1: These are charges. They've not been proven guilty. Kevon DeAndre Washington,
43:05
Speaker 1: first degree rape, video voyeurism. What in? Okay. Eric Faddis,
43:13
Speaker 1: don't you see a problem with this judge sitting on
43:15
Speaker 1: this case?
43:18
Speaker 3: Well, Nancy, I think any lawyer, if their family member
43:21
Speaker 3: was in trouble, they would try to rise to the
43:23
Speaker 3: occasion to help that person. You know, the statement in
43:26
Speaker 3: one of these texts that the judge is friends with them,
43:29
Speaker 3: is that a literal statement? Is that sort of speaking metaphorically, colloquially,
43:34
Speaker 3: that the judge understands a defense perspective? If so, there's
43:37
Speaker 3: nothing improper about that at all. And then on top
43:40
Speaker 3: of that, in order to recuse the judge, she would
43:42
Speaker 3: have to either have a personal interest or a bias.
43:45
Speaker 3: She has no personal interest unless she's literally friends with them,
43:48
Speaker 3: which I doubt. And so what is the bias? That
43:50
Speaker 3: her son had a similar case? If every judge, you know,
43:53
Speaker 3: if the judge's daughter had a DUI case, does that
43:55
Speaker 3: mean they can never preside over DUI proceedings? Like, I
43:59
Speaker 3: just think that it's too extreme to try to kick
44:01
Speaker 3: a judge off because they have some personal experience that
44:05
Speaker 3: has some similarities to an instant case they're presiding over.
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Speaker 11: Nancy, I need to clarify a couple things with regard
44:11
Speaker 11: to the judge. Judge Gail Horn Ray did represent her son,
44:16
Speaker 11: Nilsen Dan Taylor, when he faced rape charges in 1996.
44:20
Speaker 11: She was a working defense attorney at the time, and
44:22
Speaker 11: she was his defense attorney. She was not a sitting
44:26
Speaker 11: judge until 2023, so she didn't intervene on her son's
44:30
Speaker 11: behalf as a judge. She merely represented him as a
44:34
Speaker 11: defense attorney. Now, with regard to the text messages from
44:37
Speaker 11: Case and Carver to his father, intimating a friendship or
44:41
Speaker 11: connection to the judge. Well, those text messages actually led
44:45
Speaker 11: the prosecution to see her being recused from the case.
44:49
Speaker 11: And in November of 2025, Judge Brad Myers removed Judge
44:53
Speaker 11: Ray from Carver's case, citing concerns about the appearance of impartiality.
44:59
Speaker 9: She appealed that.
45:00
Speaker 11: And in March, 2026, Louisiana's first circuit court of appeals
45:03
Speaker 11: upheld the decision. She appealed that to the Louisiana Supreme court,
45:08
Speaker 11: where the decision to recuse was reversed. And in that case,
45:13
Speaker 11: the Supreme Court ruled the prosecutors had not met their
45:16
Speaker 11: burden to require Ray's removal, so she was put back
45:19
Speaker 11: on the case. In June of 2026, the Supreme Court
45:22
Speaker 11: declined to reconsider its decision, so Judge Gail Horn Ray
45:27
Speaker 11: remains on the case.
45:30
Speaker 1: Damning text messages. A judge who clearly needs to be
45:35
Speaker 1: recused is still on the case. And bitter infighting about
45:40
Speaker 1: the color pink. And lost in the sauce. Maddie. Maddie Brooks.
45:50
Speaker 1: And her mother's fight for justice. Reminder to all. No
45:56
Speaker 1: one has been convicted in this case. Yes, they are suspects. Yes,
46:01
Speaker 1: they have been charged. But as of tonight, as we
46:05
Speaker 1: go to air, they are considered innocent, presumed innocent in
46:10
Speaker 1: the eyes of the law and all of us, unless
46:14
Speaker 1: and until that presumption of innocence is pierced by evidence
46:19
Speaker 1: proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. If you know or
46:25
Speaker 1: think you know anything regarding this case, dial 225-389-5000. You
46:33
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46:36
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46:41
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46:48
Speaker 1: officer Chad Swanson, Manhattan Beach PD, California, just 35, killed
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Speaker 1: in the line of duty, leaving behind his wife, Haley,
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Speaker 1: and children, Jameson, Declan, and Easton. American hero, police officer
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Speaker 1: Chad Swanson. Thank you to our guests, but especially to
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Speaker 1: you for being with us tonight. Nancy Gray signing off
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Speaker 1: for tonight, but I'll see you tomorrow night. And until then,
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Speaker 1: good night, friend.