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Jeff Legwold joins Moser, Lombardi and Kane live from the Senior Bowl 1-29-26 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  Speaker 1: Com or joined as we are every Thursday at nine
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  Speaker 1: o'clock by Jeff Lagwald, who's in Mobile, Alabama.
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  Speaker 2: Hi Jeff, good morning, fellas.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning. I don't know where the other guys are.
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  Speaker 1: They'll be here shortly, I suppose, But I have a
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  Speaker 1: pressing question for you. It's two part. What did Joe
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  Speaker 1: Lombardi do won his job two to get fired?
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  Speaker 3: That's an excellent question. I mean, he I'm sure he
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  Speaker 3: was a little surprised when the discussion went from, hey,
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  Speaker 3: let's recap the season two. I'm gonna have to let
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  Speaker 3: you go. You know, I think he's been with Sean
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  Speaker 3: for fifteen years, so uh, that's a lot of you know,
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  Speaker 3: proverbial water under the bridge. So obviously, I mean Peyton,
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  Speaker 3: Sean Payton's been frustrated with the offense for most of
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  Speaker 3: the season. You know, he's letting little bits and pieces
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  Speaker 3: of that out publicly. He seemed consistently frustrated.
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  Speaker 2: With things.
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  Speaker 3: You know, ultimately they're under his control, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: tempo of the offense, the play called, but he I
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  Speaker 3: think this is him sort of in a way, because
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  Speaker 3: if you look at the defensive staff, you know, Vance
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  Speaker 3: Joseph the coordinator has hired a staff that's essentially they
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  Speaker 3: went out and hired the people they thought were the best.
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  Speaker 2: People to fill those positions.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't necessarily have to have a history with VJY
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  Speaker 3: or anything. On the offensive side of the ball. It's
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  Speaker 3: very much provincial. You know, there's all kinds of people
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  Speaker 3: who've worked with Sean Payton in the past and have
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  Speaker 3: a history with Sean Payton in the past, you know, defensively,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Joe Vitt is really the only guy with
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  Speaker 3: that kind of extensive history, and they've got like four
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  Speaker 3: or five on the offensive side of the ball. So
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  Speaker 3: I think this is a little bit of an admission
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  Speaker 3: that maybe some fresh eyes are are needed, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and now we'll see, uh if he doesn't, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in the end, he could just turn to another long
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  Speaker 3: time confidant, you know, in the position and business as
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  Speaker 3: usual and it's just a different person. But I think
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  Speaker 3: his frustration level got you know, centered on for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 3: Joe Lombardi and I'm sure Joe feels like he's been
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  Speaker 3: singled out.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he said, like, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The the he was in one of those moods, which
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  Speaker 1: is a weird thing to say after you get let go.
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  Speaker 1: But but like maybecause.
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  Speaker 3: Every every coach who's worked for Sean Payton's been fired
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  Speaker 3: during a game or I mean, you know, if just
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  Speaker 3: one of those things.
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  Speaker 1: But but for Lombardi specifically, you know, it's the same
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  Speaker 1: thing that I think when like Ed Donotel was here
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  Speaker 1: under Fangio. What is their role as coordinator? Because coordinator
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  Speaker 1: usually means you're calling play, so what is it when
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  Speaker 1: you're not doing that?
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  Speaker 3: They do an awful lot of the the uh, the
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  Speaker 3: unglamorous work of being the coordinator, the game planning, the
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  Speaker 3: the preparing the information to present to the team, I
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  Speaker 3: mean a lot of the stuff. It's it's very difficult
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  Speaker 3: for a head coach to do all the nuts and
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  Speaker 3: bolts of what it takes to be the prepare to
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  Speaker 3: be the play caller on game days. So they do
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  Speaker 3: an awful lot of the heavy lifting. When you carry
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  Speaker 3: the title but not the play calling, and you are
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  Speaker 3: the guy sort of the last voice in the play
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  Speaker 3: caller's ear. Yeah, uh, in that role, So it's an
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  Speaker 3: important role. It's an enormous role Monday through Saturday, you know,
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  Speaker 3: most weeks. So it's not a it's not a just
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  Speaker 3: a hey, fill the position, no worry, it's it's an
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  Speaker 3: important part of the how things get done.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, you know, go ahead, oh with Jeff.
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  Speaker 4: I was telling the boys earlier that it looks like
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  Speaker 4: we're peeling away the onion a little bit here, right,
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  Speaker 4: We're getting in different layers. It's only taken a couple
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  Speaker 4: three years to get here, whatever it is. But from
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  Speaker 4: what you know about Sean Payton, does this feel like
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  Speaker 4: a real change in the future. Is it coming with Peyton?
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  Speaker 4: Or is this business as usual?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean the big question is is and he's
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  Speaker 3: resisted it, you know quickly when it's been brought up
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  Speaker 3: in the past, is does he still want to call plays?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 2: And you know what that means.
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  Speaker 3: They could keep Davis Web longer if Davis Web called plays.
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  Speaker 3: But I you know, it just depends on what that means.
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  Speaker 3: If if someone else is the play caller and he's
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  Speaker 3: in their ear all the time, you know, until the
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  Speaker 3: ball is snapped, that's that's a difficult situation. So it
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  Speaker 3: would take a lot of uh, you know, thought on
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  Speaker 3: his part of how it would look and how it
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  Speaker 3: would go if he didn't call plays.
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  Speaker 2: But I do think his.
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  Speaker 3: Their level of struggle to score points, especially with any
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  Speaker 3: sort of big play mocks. I mean, they're big play
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  Speaker 3: numbers are just middle of the road, and you know
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  Speaker 3: that obviously frustrates him. It's not a familiar place for
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  Speaker 3: him to be in. And I think this is proof
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  Speaker 3: that he's he's frustrated. He's a little peeve that this
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  Speaker 3: wasn't just a pretty good Super Bowl chance. This was
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  Speaker 3: certainly a defense good enough to win the biggest game
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  Speaker 3: on the biggest day with the biggest amount of pressure.
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  Speaker 3: The defense is good enough, and to give up one
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  Speaker 3: scoring drive of twelve yards and lose a playoff game
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  Speaker 3: at home is going to sting. And I think this
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  Speaker 3: is proof of how deep it stings.
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  Speaker 1: and with a career. Another thing I would file under
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  Speaker 1: the category of just weird was this from bow Nicks yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: Didn't have any predisposed issues. Man, my ankles were feeling
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  Speaker 5: really good. I don't think he really should share how
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  Speaker 5: many surgeries I've had in the past, to be honest
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  Speaker 5: with you, because I don't you know, he doesn't really
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  Speaker 5: even know that. But I think it's gonna be good,
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  Speaker 5: you know, to get back, get to work start from.
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  Speaker 1: So most was fired up about that. He thought there's
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  Speaker 1: a level of decory you should have with your head coach.
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  Speaker 1: Did what did you think when Bow called his own
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  Speaker 1: press conference?
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  Speaker 3: Essentially no, I mean he was gonna talk Monday with
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  Speaker 3: the rest of the players, but physically, you know, couldn't
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  Speaker 3: get in there to do it on his scooter. So
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  Speaker 3: I think this was more of, you know, going to
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  Speaker 3: be a scheduled thing. Look, he's a he's a grown
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  Speaker 3: up person.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: If you don't want your head coach sharing your medical information,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's okay to say.
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  Speaker 2: And I think other guys have said it.
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  Speaker 3: And I think frankly, Uh, a guy who spends more
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  Speaker 3: time with Sean Payton than any other player on the
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  Speaker 3: roster probably feels like he can he can flick, you know,
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  Speaker 3: flick the nose a little bit and say, hey, come on, man,
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  Speaker 3: I don't I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Want that stuff. Out there.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I didn't take it as any big deal,
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  Speaker 3: and frankly it was conveyed to me before and after that.
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  Speaker 3: He's more intent on sort of telling people he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: think he's injury prone. That's really where he's going with this.
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  Speaker 3: Not Hey, I'm unpeeved at my head coach.
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  Speaker 1: Like A, I'm worried about my second contract. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to be called injury prone or is that just
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  Speaker 1: a perception thing?
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  Speaker 2: No, I think it's a competitive things. Yea.
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  Speaker 3: In his mind, he played sixty some straight games in
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  Speaker 3: college in the NFL, and he doesn't want people thinking
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  Speaker 3: he didn't want to be out there for the playoff game.
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  Speaker 3: It's just a to me, it's a competitive thing. But
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  Speaker 3: I have a pretty high tolerance.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I think we sort of put a framework on athletes
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  Speaker 3: and coaches we don't put in our own workplace. You know,
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  Speaker 3: if your boss said something to you that you thought
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  Speaker 3: you could respectfully disagree with, you would do it. You
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't just say, oh, you're the boss, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: do whatever you say, no matter what I and it's not.
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  Speaker 3: You know, look, I've been this is my fortieth season.
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  Speaker 3: This year the Dynamics between players and coaches are far
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  Speaker 3: different now than they used to be. And that's just
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  Speaker 3: the way it is. And I don't think it's a beef.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if people are going to make it a beef,
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  Speaker 3: I think you're missing the.
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  Speaker 4: Boat on all right, that's fine. Maybe I'm missing a boat.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe I'm old school. I don't. I don't care what
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  Speaker 4: you call me. I just didn't like the tone. That's
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  Speaker 4: just that's that's my own person.
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  Speaker 2: He's taking on the coach.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. Look, I'm not I'm
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  Speaker 4: not saying that bo Nicks is wrong. I just don't
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  Speaker 4: like the tone of coming out. Plus, this is the
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  Speaker 4: guy that handpicked you. And and Sean Payton does not
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  Speaker 4: have any ill will toward bow Nicks in terms of
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  Speaker 4: describing to the media what he believes is going on.
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  Speaker 4: He obviously got his information from someone or maybe he misspoke.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, but it just, Jeff, it just rubbed
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  Speaker 4: me the wrong way a little bit, okay. I yeah
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  Speaker 4: that and on that and on that note, and on
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  Speaker 4: that note, I can't imagine Gabelndiscott coming out and saying,
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  Speaker 4: I like Jared Bedno talking about my knee. He doesn't
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  Speaker 4: you know, he doesn't know how many operations he isn't
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  Speaker 4: what's going on with my knee. I prefer you just
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  Speaker 4: not talk about it at all. That would that would
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  Speaker 4: that would not be I would not be right, It
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  Speaker 4: would not be cool. And different A billion times.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a different thing because, uh of just
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  Speaker 3: the kind of coach or person, Bennar, If you play
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  Speaker 3: for Sean Payton, you are used to him blurting things out,
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  Speaker 3: you know, during practice after practice and that, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: if Sean was obviously probably had somebody giving him a
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  Speaker 3: rundown of of what the surgeon was doing and everything,
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  Speaker 3: and and perhaps you know, crossed a wire or two.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I just didn't.
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  Speaker 3: I I've been told it's not a beef.
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  Speaker 2: I believe it's not a beef.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, we'll see, you know, the next time
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  Speaker 3: we hear from Sean at the combine, if if there's
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  Speaker 3: still any any any lingering things to that. But you know, again,
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  Speaker 3: I I see it. I see health and the NFL,
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  Speaker 3: especially because players are often framed as not playing or questionable,
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  Speaker 3: and when teams don't and players don't discuss their injuries.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, I think it puts a player in
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  Speaker 3: a tough spot of people thinking, you know, they don't
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  Speaker 3: they don't want to play, or what.
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  Speaker 4: Sure it's all gonna be honky do in the I'm
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  Speaker 4: sure everything's going to be just great.
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  Speaker 2: It might not be. I can't say that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm I'm sure it will be.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be great in the mood because they MOS's
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  Speaker 1: in the mood because the Avs lost LEGGI to give
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  Speaker 1: that is that is untrue.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they're just they're grown ups many you know,
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  Speaker 3: he can. I think it's good for the quarterback to say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: this is how.
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  Speaker 2: I would have done.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't mean he's right either, It just means he
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  Speaker 3: can say it.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of Beef, I know there's a lot of things
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  Speaker 1: you can't say. But what can you say about the
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  Speaker 1: hall of Fame stuff in the league?
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  Speaker 2: About Batch?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I can say I you know, I voted for him,
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  Speaker 3: but that's uh. And look, we don't I tell people
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  Speaker 3: all the time, we don't know the results when the
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  Speaker 3: meeting's over. We don't know who's in and who's out.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, when I read that story, I was
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  Speaker 3: as shocked as anybody, and I had just gotten off
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  Speaker 3: a plane when the when the afternoon guys asked me
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  Speaker 3: about it. You know, it wasn't even really prepared to
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  Speaker 3: uh get into it.
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  Speaker 1: But was there a long talk about spygate to flightgate.
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  Speaker 3: There's there's long talks about everything. The meeting is often
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  Speaker 3: between eight and ten hours long. So you you do
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  Speaker 3: the math there. That's that's a lot of discussion about everything. Nothing,
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  Speaker 3: nothing's off the table when when you're talking about the
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  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 4: But je, if you can be bitter, you can be
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  Speaker 4: bitter and you can think this and that and whatever else,
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  Speaker 4: or he'd done me wrong at one point, or you
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  Speaker 4: don't like his attitude, you can you can feel that
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  Speaker 4: way and you could be one hundred percent correct. At
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  Speaker 4: the same time, you have to be intellectually honest about
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  Speaker 4: the accomplishments. And that's all I really care about is
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  Speaker 4: the accomplishments. I don't care if the guy was a
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  Speaker 4: dill hole to you. I don't care if you know
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  Speaker 4: he got busted for spygate or whatever the case may be.
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  Speaker 4: The guys, the guys won an awful lot, man, an
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  Speaker 4: awful lot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and I would say, look this, this
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  Speaker 3: notion that it was retribution.
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  Speaker 2: That's just crap.
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  Speaker 3: Ninety percent of the committee never had to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: deal with Bill Belichick or was treated one way or
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  Speaker 3: the other by Bill Belichick.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't I don't think that's that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a popular Hey, look at the bunch
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  Speaker 3: of angry sports writers, you know, angry media people, and
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  Speaker 3: I get that, you know, in this day and age,
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  Speaker 3: in the current environment we're in.
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  Speaker 2: But that wasn't what happened there. It's more of the process.
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  Speaker 2: We used to.
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  Speaker 3: Vote each coach, contributor and senior candidate. We used to
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  Speaker 3: vote them yes or no when you got to the
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  Speaker 3: end of the discussion, so each person was considered individually.
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  Speaker 3: Now we are being asked to take five and vote
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  Speaker 3: for three. So you're essentially taking Bob Kraft and Bill
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  Speaker 3: Belichick and trying to decide one or both, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in the same year. Or you know, Elsie Greenwood's been
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  Speaker 3: eligible for four decades, so what do you do There's
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  Speaker 3: it's because the process asked the voters to take a
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  Speaker 3: group of five and pick three. So this was going
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  Speaker 3: to happen at some point, you know, you just didn't
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  Speaker 3: know what was going to happen with somebody like Bill Belichick.
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  Speaker 3: If again, you know, until I see the official list,
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  Speaker 3: which I haven't, I don't know the class, so I'm
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  Speaker 3: I'm taking the story who you know, I know the
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  Speaker 3: people who wrote it and they're great reporters.
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  Speaker 2: So uh.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, when we see the announcement, then it
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  Speaker 3: will be official and that will be the almost the
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  Speaker 3: first moment I see it too.
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  Speaker 2: So if you know, it was shocking.
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  Speaker 3: And it's and but they're going to be more shocking
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  Speaker 3: a selections as the years go by. If if they
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  Speaker 3: don't in my opinion, this is my opinion, not the Hall's,
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  Speaker 3: not ESPN, not my opinion. Uh, if they don't change
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  Speaker 3: the voting back, I think there'll be more shocks coming
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  Speaker 3: along the way.
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  Speaker 1: So two more questions, real quick. Number One, If this
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  Speaker 1: is true and Belichick doesn't get in this year, he
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  Speaker 1: will assuredly get in next year, does that push the
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  Speaker 1: timeline back even farther? For Shanahan?
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  Speaker 2: The push is it back? For?
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  Speaker 3: In my opinion again and for all coaches, Look, look
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  Speaker 3: who's been turned away the last If if indeed this
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  Speaker 3: has happened again, I haven't.
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  Speaker 1: Seen it, right, I'm just under the assumption that.
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  Speaker 3: This look look who's been turned away, and Buddy Parker,
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  Speaker 3: a championship coach two years ago, turned away as a finalist.
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  Speaker 3: Mike Holmgren last year, turned away as a finalist. And
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  Speaker 3: guess what, Mike Holmgren was not a finalist this year.
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  Speaker 3: So not only was he turned away last year, he
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  Speaker 3: lost a step. So oh yeah, that puts the time
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  Speaker 3: frame for Mike Shanahan and Tom Coughlin and Mike Holmgren,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, all the coaches who deserve, especially Mike.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I just Shanny deserves. It's so bad, Jeff,
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  Speaker 4: I just thought that.
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  Speaker 2: Where are you gonna put him? Where you're gonna be?
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  Speaker 4: I got you, I got you. But I can't go
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  Speaker 4: through the gratishar thing again, Jeff, I can't do it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, change the rules, whatever you have to do
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  Speaker 4: to let twenty guys in at one time and say
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  Speaker 4: this is a one time deal, to stop the backlog
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  Speaker 4: or the log jam, to categorize it. Just just I mean,
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  Speaker 4: he for god's.
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  Speaker 3: Sake, the Coaches Committee had one slot this year, and
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  Speaker 3: you know Bill Belichick was the finalist, not Mike Holmgren,
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  Speaker 3: who was a finalist the year before, Not Mike Shanahan.
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  Speaker 3: So Yeah, it's it's hard in the Hall. Guess what,
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  Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame wants it to be hard. That's
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  Speaker 3: those are the folks who who you know, built this
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  Speaker 3: the way they want it.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: You know, some of the Hall of Famers have been
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  Speaker 3: very public that they already think too many guys are in.
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  Speaker 3: So I mean, you can't win really.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, Jeff, last thing for you will let you go.
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  Speaker 1: Always appreciate the time it is the offseason though, and
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  Speaker 1: it's one of my favorite leg walls that we get,
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  Speaker 1: which is you're there at the Senior Bowl. Prospect you're
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  Speaker 1: most excited to be watching this weekend or this week.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's easily the best player here is the corner
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  Speaker 3: or from Tennessee Colton Hood is the best player here
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  Speaker 3: this week. But I like the Uh, you guys aren't
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  Speaker 3: gonna like it because it's a defensive heavy Senior Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: Baby, I was gonna say.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's it's a tons of good defenders out there
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  Speaker 3: at the Senior Bowl this year, so I think a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the skill guys have stayed home. But uh, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, yesterday's I'll see more today, But yeah, yesterday
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  Speaker 3: was the defensive guys. We were winning most of the drills.
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  Speaker 1: So, well, this is gonna be like you like, I
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  Speaker 1: would assume the Senior Bowl has got more talent now
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  Speaker 1: than maybe it has in years because of so many
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  Speaker 1: guys staying in college longer with nil stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Right, well, I think and again, uh, some some folks
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  Speaker 3: you know, choose to stay home, like you know, Mendoza
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  Speaker 3: in years past. You know when when Vance Joseph and
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  Speaker 3: the Broncos staff was here, the quarterbacks were Baker Mayfield,
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  Speaker 3: Josh Allen Herb, that group. Yeah, that group came down. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: A lot of those guys stay away now just because
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  Speaker 3: of the fear of injury. And then some guys will
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  Speaker 3: take part in the practices and then not playing the
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  Speaker 3: game too. So it's it's a little different now with
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  Speaker 3: with uh so much money already already in the mix
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  Speaker 3: before they even get here.
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  Speaker 1: Chef.
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  Speaker 4: But do you you get do you get any free time?
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  Speaker 4: And I love Mobile Alabama, by the way, Do you
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  Speaker 4: get any free time?
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  Speaker 2: Not much? Not much chasing folks around? Man.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Well, there's a battleship there called the US is Alabama.
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  Speaker 4: It's pretty awesome. I've I've been all the way I've
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  Speaker 4: been through. I've been up and down and through that thing.
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  Speaker 4: I love it. Man, Go find you a battleship and
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  Speaker 4: go get something great.
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  Speaker 2: Go find your battles.
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  Speaker 1: But you always appreciate the time.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, buddy, They have both.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Lagwel ESPN dot com.
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  Speaker 4: You act like I'm some break an alien or something.
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  Speaker 4: Am I the only one who likes battleships around here
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  Speaker 4: can do the only one?
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  Speaker 2: Am I?
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  Speaker 4: The only one who likes battle You guys are idiots.