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Hartline Needs to Make Changes + CJ Hicks Shines · 4th AND BULL

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to 4th and Bull presented by Blue Terra. My
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  Speaker 1: name is Nick Wise and thank you so much for
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  Speaker 1: checking out another episode of 4th and Bull where we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk all about the South Florida victory over
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  Speaker 1: the University of Alabama, Birmingham, the Blazers, which took place
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  Speaker 1: Saturday at Raymond James Stadium. USF wins 30 to 10.
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  Speaker 1: And although the score looks nice and they cover the spread,
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  Speaker 1: nobody's happy once again. And that's kind of been the
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  Speaker 1: theme of this season. It really has been the same
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  Speaker 1: show every single week on the football field. And it
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  Speaker 1: feels like I could do the same show every week
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  Speaker 1: on this team. It's getting harder and harder to find
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  Speaker 1: things to talk about because everybody really just wants to
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  Speaker 1: talk about the same thing. And when is the offense
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  Speaker 1: going to explode? And I don't, I don't think it's
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  Speaker 1: going to. I want to give the defense some praise
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  Speaker 1: today on the show. They did some wonderful things. And also,
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  Speaker 1: Brian Hartline said something in his postgame press conference that
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  Speaker 1: I thought was.
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  Speaker 2: Weird, I guess is the best way to put it.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Brian Hartline's postgame press conferences are unlike any other
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  Speaker 1: football coach press conferences.
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  Speaker 2: To me, that's where he shows that he really is
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  Speaker 2: a rookie.
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  Speaker 1: When you listen to him talk in his post-game press conferences,
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  Speaker 1: the fan in me says, shut up, dude, stop. The
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  Speaker 1: media person in me is like, yeah, keep going. You're
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  Speaker 1: giving me all kinds of stuff here that I can
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  Speaker 1: talk about. Because, look, I'll put it this way. Todd Bowles,
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  Speaker 1: when he talks to the media, afterwards the Tampa Bay
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  Speaker 1: Buccaneers send out a transcript.
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  Speaker 2: And it's, you know, a one sheet. And it's got
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  Speaker 2: all the quotes.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, Todd Bowles' quote will be, Couple lines, maybe, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like a sentence.
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  Speaker 1: Heartline, I got this piece of paper I'm showing to
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  Speaker 1: the camera for those that are watching. Heartline's one answer
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  Speaker 1: to one question will literally be like this entire sheet
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  Speaker 1: of paper, and then all the words on the back, too. Like,
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  Speaker 1: he will give the longest answers, and he'll start answering
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  Speaker 1: things that he wasn't even asked about. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: like things that he wants to get off of his
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  Speaker 1: chest in case someone doesn't ask him. They're really bizarre,
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  Speaker 1: his post-game prep. They're unlike any other coaches. I don't
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  Speaker 1: dislike them, but.
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  Speaker 2: to me, it shows, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: They just kind of show me that he's, he's a
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  Speaker 1: rookie and he still is when it comes to, uh,
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  Speaker 1: being a head coach. Uh, so my thoughts on what
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  Speaker 1: he said in the press are about the two quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 1: because to me, that was, I don't, I didn't love
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  Speaker 1: his answer. It was more of his follow-up. I didn't like, um,
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  Speaker 1: so we're going to talk about all of those things. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and like I said, we'll praise the defense as well.
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  Speaker 1: The defense deserves a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of praise.
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  Speaker 2: And....
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we just got over 800 subscribers, so thank you
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  Speaker 1: for that. We grew really fast, and then we kind
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  Speaker 1: of were still slowly going. I think some people have
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  Speaker 1: kind of tuned out, and I get it. You give
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  Speaker 1: this team four hours every Saturday, they kind of disappoint you,
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  Speaker 1: and then some fans don't really want to hear more
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  Speaker 1: talk about the disappointment from Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: And it sucks that.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of these episodes have to deal with the disappointment,
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  Speaker 1: but I think these episodes are a reflection of how
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  Speaker 1: the fan base is feeling. Because, yes, the team is 6-2,
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  Speaker 1: and it feels like you should be happy. They're bowl
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  Speaker 1: eligible now for the fourth year in a row, which
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  Speaker 1: is tremendous at USF.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, let me see. I have it in my notes.
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  Speaker 2: Is that.
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  Speaker 1: The longest stretch? I thought I saw something that that
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  Speaker 1: was like the longest stretch, being bowl eligible in quite
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  Speaker 1: some time. I had it in my notes here. Give
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  Speaker 1: me one sec. Let's find that about being bowl eligible.
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  Speaker 1: I know I had it here.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, right here.
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  Speaker 1: The Bulls improved to 17 and five at home over
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  Speaker 1: the last four seasons and remained in the hunt for
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  Speaker 1: a top American conference finish with four regular season games remaining.
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  Speaker 1: USF clinch bowl eligibility for the fourth straight season, tying
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  Speaker 1: the second longest streak in program history. but still has
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  Speaker 1: its eye on the higher prize. And that, of course,
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  Speaker 1: is the American Conference. And, yeah, they're still in it.
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  Speaker 1: You are rooting against North Texas. It's going to be
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  Speaker 1: hard to pass UTSA. So when those teams play in
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  Speaker 1: a couple weeks, you're rooting for UTSA. North Texas is
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  Speaker 1: the team we need to go down because UTSA, it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be hard to pass them since they already
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  Speaker 1: got us. That game was a big one. That's one
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  Speaker 1: that I wish we could have back. If we could
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  Speaker 1: trade any game over and have a back, a do over,
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  Speaker 1: that would be the one, especially because that was kind
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  Speaker 1: of the game where the offense, they weren't, they weren't horrible.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they got off to a quicker start. They
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  Speaker 1: played that one.
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  Speaker 2: That one was weird.
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  Speaker 1: That was where they kind of came out strong and
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  Speaker 1: then got flat towards the end, but it was the
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  Speaker 1: defense in that one that just wasn't them typical selves.
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  Speaker 1: So look, it, it, it goes game by game with
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  Speaker 1: these guys, but yeah, We got a lot to talk
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  Speaker 1: about today. I do want to remind you that Forth
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  Speaker 1: out to thebowlspen.com being part of the show as well.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, thebowlspen.com is where I got a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the questions for Matt Grothy. You guys left them on thebowlspen.com,
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  Speaker 1: and I used a lot of them. I didn't get
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  Speaker 1: through all of them. I apologize if your question wasn't asked. But.
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  Speaker 1: We did get through a lot of them. And if
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  Speaker 1: you missed the Matt Grothy interview, it's worth going back
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  Speaker 1: and checking out. We talked all about the offense and
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  Speaker 1: just the season so far. And we didn't really get
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  Speaker 1: much into previewing the UAB game in general. So even
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  Speaker 1: after that game, all of that content is still relevant.
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  Speaker 1: And in fact, after what we saw this weekend, everything
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  Speaker 1: you said is still relevant because Some of the things
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  Speaker 1: that he had hoped to see coming out of the
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  Speaker 1: bye week were some changes, maybe simplifying the playbook a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, and it doesn't feel like they changed anything.
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  Speaker 1: It felt like they were the exact same team that
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  Speaker 1: we watched prior to the bye week, unfortunately, on the
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  Speaker 1: offensive side of things.
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  Speaker 2: So he gave a really good.
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  Speaker 1: you know, perspective on the offense and a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more of an X's and O's standpoint than you're going
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  Speaker 1: to get typically out of me or any other podcast.
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  Speaker 1: X's and O's is just not something I typically like.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't a film breakdown, but I do know that
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  Speaker 1: you guys like that analysis. So we'll try to bring
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  Speaker 1: Matt in a little bit more to give you that.
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  Speaker 1: But if you missed it, go back and listen to it.
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  Speaker 2: It really was. It was a good listen.
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  Speaker 1: And he told some old stories, too, from from his
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  Speaker 1: days at USF that I think you'll really enjoy if
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  Speaker 1: you're a fan. But yeah, that is up there for
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  Speaker 1: you to go back and listen to. Before we get
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  Speaker 1: into the heartline stuff, because that's what I want to
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  Speaker 1: spend a majority of the show on, I would like
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  Speaker 1: to go through the post-game notes. After the game, they
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  Speaker 1: send us a bunch of notes of some things that
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  Speaker 1: stood out in the game.
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  Speaker 2: CJ Hicks, can I give that man his flowers?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he has come through I would say that
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  Speaker 1: when he first got here, the expectations were he was
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  Speaker 1: going to be the five star kid that he was
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  Speaker 1: coming out of high school that he didn't necessarily translate
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  Speaker 1: into at Ohio State. But when he got here, we
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  Speaker 1: thought you're going to be a primary part of this defense.
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  Speaker 1: And he kind of got off to a slow start.
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  Speaker 1: You're waiting for it. You're waiting for it. And my God,
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  Speaker 1: that kid has exploded the last couple of weeks. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: just a week ago. We know he had that, what
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  Speaker 1: was it, 94, 96-yard fumble return. It tied the longest
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  Speaker 1: ever for USF. Was it 94 or 96? I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: you guys will know, and you'll let me know in
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  Speaker 1: the comments. It was long as hell. That's all I remember.
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  Speaker 1: I know it was 94 or 96. Trying to remember
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  Speaker 1: all these numbers. But him having four sacks, two of
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  Speaker 1: them created defensive touchdowns because there were fumbles. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: just kudos to C.J.
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  Speaker 2: Hicks, man. That kid has.
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  Speaker 1: Really come into his own, and look, he continues and
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  Speaker 1: finishes out the season the way he's going.
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  Speaker 2: He could see himself drafted.
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  Speaker 1: He has just been so good as of late and
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  Speaker 1: finally blossomed into that kid that we thought he could
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  Speaker 1: be coming here to USF from Ohio State.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out to him.
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  Speaker 1: Hicks was dominating in a strong defensive effort, which saw
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  Speaker 1: the Bulls shut UAB out after their first two possessions
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  Speaker 1: and limited the Blazers.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to this.
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  Speaker 1: A season-low 17 rushing yards, just 10 first downs, and
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  Speaker 1: 177 total yards. Hicks was part of a season-high six
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  Speaker 1: sacks and 11 tackles for a loss for the Bulls
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  Speaker 1: as he tied a program record of four sacks of
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  Speaker 1: his own. Two of those sacks forced fumbles. That will
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  Speaker 1: return touchdowns. Also, shout out to Grayson Pop Howard, who
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  Speaker 1: had two sacks on the day as well. He spoke
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  Speaker 1: to the media after the game and his presser. And look,
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  Speaker 1: I don't mean to comment on another dude, but the
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  Speaker 1: dude was jacked at the podium. He doesn't even look
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  Speaker 1: like a real human being, Grayson Pop Howard. And I've
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  Speaker 1: interviewed him a few times. I guess I never really
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  Speaker 1: realized how one of them was in person. Then once
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  Speaker 1: he came on fourth and bowl. But when you stand
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  Speaker 1: at the press conference, I'm like, Mike, that guy's a beast.
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  Speaker 1: They've done a good job recruiting some dogs on the
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  Speaker 1: defensive side of things here at USF. They trailed 10-0
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  Speaker 1: early in the second quarter. Then Michael Van Buren Jr.
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  Speaker 1: exited the game with an injury. That was when Luke
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  Speaker 1: Cromanhawk entered the game. And him and Hicks, man, it
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  Speaker 1: felt like they really gave this team the spark that
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  Speaker 1: they needed, because even though the offense didn't really do
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  Speaker 1: much more when Krohmanhut got in the game, at least
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  Speaker 1: passing wise, they didn't really do much more. It still
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  Speaker 1: felt like that 42 yard run that he had down
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  Speaker 1: the right side of the field.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like it sparked the team a little bit there.
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  Speaker 1: There was there was definitely I felt momentum shifted a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. Again, the offense wasn't fantastic by any means.
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  Speaker 1: But I did feel like it kind of jolted the
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  Speaker 1: team just a little bit. Cromenhoek was 7 for 10
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  Speaker 1: with 39 passing yards, and Van Buren Jr.
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  Speaker 2: Had 7.
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  Speaker 1: So USF had 46 total passing yards. And with the
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  Speaker 1: Buccaneers having zero yesterday against the Falcons, in two games
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  Speaker 1: at Raymond James Stadium this weekend, a total of 46
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  Speaker 1: passing yards for the home team.
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  Speaker 2: Just absolutely crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, Chrome and Hawk though, he did finish with 116
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  Speaker 1: on the ground. Um, and if he does end up
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  Speaker 1: getting the start this week, I would like to see
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  Speaker 1: him be used a lot more in the running game.
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  Speaker 1: Cause that's something with Michael Van Buren jr. They just
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  Speaker 1: don't really do. They don't run it with the quarterback
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  Speaker 1: a lot. And I believe if I remember correctly, when
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  Speaker 1: we were talking to Matt Grothy, I'm pretty sure he mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: I want to say he mentioned how the quarterback isn't
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  Speaker 1: really getting run very often. But, yeah, that's something I
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  Speaker 1: would like to see.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see.
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  Speaker 1: A couple other postgame notes before I get to Brian
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  Speaker 1: Hartline's comments that I didn't love.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see. The Bulls offense. The Bulls second possession. Van
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  Speaker 2: Buren moved the offense to the 43. No, that's not. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This is the play that I do want to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: On the bull second possession, Van Buren moved the offense
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  Speaker 1: to the USF 43-yard line where they faced a third
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  Speaker 1: and two. Cromanhawk came in for a quarterback keeper. He
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  Speaker 1: was stopped short, and then they went for it on
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  Speaker 1: fourth down. And I had no problem with them going
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  Speaker 1: for it on fourth down.
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  Speaker 2: Is it just me?
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  Speaker 1: And I know this is such a fan thing to do,
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  Speaker 1: and it's easier to say it in hindsight, but I
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  Speaker 1: feel like when I want them to run, they pass.
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  Speaker 1: When I want them to pass, they run. Because the
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  Speaker 1: fourth and one play, they end up throwing, and Michael
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  Speaker 1: Van Buren Jr. is under pressure. He throws an incomplete pass,
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  Speaker 1: and I just don't understand. I mean, look, you can
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  Speaker 1: look at both of those plays. First off, this team
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  Speaker 1: struggles to pass. So at fourth and one, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to go into the playbook, and I'm going to find
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  Speaker 1: my best one-yard play, and chances are it's not a
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  Speaker 1: pass play, at least not in this offense. Like, can
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  Speaker 1: we show some sort of creativity here? The most creative
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  Speaker 1: that we get on offense is when Luke Cromanhawk comes
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  Speaker 1: in and he runs it. That's their creativity. It's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to put in our other quarterback and he's
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  Speaker 1: going to run it.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: If you watch film on USF, you know he's running it.
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  Speaker 1: Every single time, you know he's running it. So you
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  Speaker 1: fooled nobody on third and two.
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  Speaker 2: They were expecting it.
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  Speaker 1: And fourth and one, I'm not saying I want you
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  Speaker 1: to run it with Luke Cromanock, but you got a
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  Speaker 1: big bruising tailback in DJ back there. Give him the
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  Speaker 1: ball on fourth and one and let him pound the rock.
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  Speaker 1: So I didn't love that play call. Hell, throw it
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  Speaker 1: to the outside and let Collins with his speed get by.
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  Speaker 1: I like that Collins kid. He did have the one
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  Speaker 1: touchdown for the offense on Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I just, you know, he got five carries for 16 yards.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't really show on the stat sheet. I just feel
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  Speaker 1: like he's got like an explosiveness to him. You know,
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  Speaker 1: when TJ Reeves was on the show a couple weeks ago,
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  Speaker 1: I told him like, I kind of would like to
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  Speaker 1: see more of a split between those guys. Like, like
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  Speaker 1: DJ got 16 carries on Saturday. Collins got five. I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't mind seeing Collins get a little bit of a
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  Speaker 1: bump in carries and kind of utilize them. The comparison
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  Speaker 1: that I use, and I'd be careful when I say this,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm not saying they're those guys.
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  Speaker 2: But when the Detroit Lions.
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  Speaker 1: Had David Montgomery and Jameer Gibbs, I feel like DJ
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  Speaker 1: Crowther is.
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  Speaker 2: Montgomery and Collins is Gibbs.
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  Speaker 1: Like you have that power back and you have that
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  Speaker 1: speed back and they could be a dangerous combination. And
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  Speaker 1: I feel like they don't really get super creative there.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing that I noticed too, and maybe it was
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  Speaker 1: just me, did it feel like there were more swing
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  Speaker 1: passes than norm. I felt like I seldom, I felt
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  Speaker 1: like caught both of them. And then I thought DJ
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  Speaker 1: Crowder caught one too. I felt like there were more
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  Speaker 1: swing passes than normal. Like, was that their big philosophy
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  Speaker 1: coming out of the, but we're going to throw some
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  Speaker 1: more swing routes and maybe it was just me. And
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  Speaker 1: it felt like they, they threw more, but that's, it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of what I felt like. It felt like they
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  Speaker 1: threw more swing passes and not that they threw a
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  Speaker 1: lot of passes. It just felt like when they did it,
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  Speaker 1: they weren't, It feels like they're kind of afraid to
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  Speaker 1: go downfield.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see. Anything else in the postgame notes? We do
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  Speaker 2: have the key stats.
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  Speaker 1: USF rushed for 191 yards. UAB just 17. USF averaged 4.4
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  Speaker 1: yards per carry. UAB just a half yard. That is
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  Speaker 1: just so good. The Bulls defense recorded a high of
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  Speaker 1: six sacks and 11 tackles for a loss. They scored
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  Speaker 1: 12 points. on a pair of scoop and score touchdowns.
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  Speaker 1: And the defense has now scored 20 points in the
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  Speaker 1: last two games. So the defense had more touchdowns than
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  Speaker 1: the offense this game. And then if you go back
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  Speaker 1: to the Kent State game, the offense gave up more
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  Speaker 1: points than the defense. The USF defense forced two turnovers
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  Speaker 1: while the USF offense did not commit a turnover. So
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  Speaker 1: kudos to the offense there. It marked the Bulls' fourth
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  Speaker 1: straight game without a turnover. and sixth on the year
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: in eight games. That is something that I'll give them
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: credit on. They don't turn the ball over often.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: C.J. Hicks, he had the huge game we've been talking about.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: He recorded, like you heard me say, four record-tying four sacks,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: the two scoop-and-score touchdowns of what it led to, giving
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: him three such plays in the Bulls' last two games because, remember,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: he had the fumble recovery.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: For the touchdown.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: His four sacks tied the USF record set by USF
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Athletic Hall.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Of Famer George Selvey. Let's see.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Luke Cromanhawk ran for a career-best 92 yards on 15 carries.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: And then Oniko, three for three. For the field goals,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: he had a 30, a 31-yarder, and a 33, plus
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: the three extra points. So those were kind of the
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: post-game notes that we got. When it comes to the offense,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what to say. I don't
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: want to really dive into the offense too much because
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's the same thing as the last.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: How many times have we done this show now? This
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: is probably, I don't know, the 15th episode. We've done
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: more than that. 16. We're probably episode 20 or so.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Like 19 of them probably could do the same show
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I could do today. I mean, we really could do
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: the same show every week. It's becoming a bit of
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: a challenge to not do. the same show I want
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: to give you guys a little inside information here this
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: podcast is becoming very difficult uh and it's because of
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: the offense because every week it's like the same thing
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: slow defense gives up points somehow the offense finds their
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: way back in it because the defense stops giving up
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: points and they cover that's the weird thing too is
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: like You know, sometimes when your team wins, but they
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: don't cover, you're like, all right, they got the win,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: but they didn't cover.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Here with USF, it's like they got the win. They covered.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Why am I pissed?
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Yet you're still pissed. And by the way, your frustrations
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: are valid. Totally get them.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: And let me go. All right.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I was going to talk about changes that need to
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: be made. I'll get into that in a minute. The
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: quote that stood out to me about Brian Hartline in
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: his press conference. So Brian Hartline postgame press conferences. They're
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: unlike any other coaches, because I just think he gives
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: out too much information that the reporters not even asking for.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: And I feel like he's got so much he wants
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: to get off his chest. He's afraid that every question
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: is going to get asked and he wants to talk about.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: He just his postgame press conferences to me are the most.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: They're the strangest from a head coach. And I think
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: that's where. He really shows his true colors that he's
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: he is not there yet. And he is a rookie coach.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: And so I give him a pass. I don't think
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: his postgame pressers will always be like this, but he
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: always has that. I think sometimes he wants to be
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: funny in his postgame pressers, too. And not even just
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: his postgame, even ones that he does throughout the week.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: That's how the whole conversation got brought up of UTSA
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: pumping in.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: He's always looking for a joke. I don't know.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: But here's what he said in the presser. He was
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: asked if the two quarterbacks each have their own playbook.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Hartline said good coach, good coaches. And this is where
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: he made like one of those awkward jokes. He's like
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: good coaches. And he's like under his breath. He's like,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I hate to call us good coaches. Like essentially he
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: was calling himself a good coach.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Even though. I mean, I don't know if I'm giving
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: him that compliment just yet.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Says I hate to call us good coaches. We'll try
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: and do what their players. He said good coaches will
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: try and do what their players do well. Okay, I
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: have no problem with that quote. There's a follow-up to that.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: That's where my problem lies. And I'm going to read
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: that to you. Give me one sec. So I have
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: no problem with what he said there. Good coaches should
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: adapt to what players do best. But what have you
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: seen from this offense that makes you believe these coaches
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: have adapted their scheme or their philosophy to what these
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: players do well at? Because I don't think they have
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: adapted anything. I think the biggest problem with this team,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: this is going to be the hill I die on.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: This is my take on the USF offense. Their offensive
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: line was supposed to be elite. They wanted to be
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: a run-first team behind an elite offensive line. Brian Hartline
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: told me his offensive line was the strength of the team.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: When we interviewed him back at Bulls Fest, that was,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I believe, August 22nd. So he went through spring practice,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: he went through fall camp, and he believed the offensive
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: line was a strength. Everything I read about this offensive
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: line was a strength. Everything we heard coming out of practice, strength. Hell,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: the Phil Steele college football preview praised the offensive line,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: talked about Thomas Schrader has NFL capabilities, talked about how
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: they are all very experienced, just not together. They brought
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: in a ton of transfers. I think there was like
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: eight or nine of them. All big boys, too.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: 300 pounders.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Like 15 out of the 18 offensive linemen on this
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: roster over 300 pounds. And that was supposed to be
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: the strength and the nucleus of this team. And I
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: think we all quickly learned they weren't very good. And
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: in the beginning of the year, we thought to ourselves, well,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: you know what? It's going to take time. They're gelling.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: They're getting familiar with each other. Eventually, the continuity is
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: going to happen. And this team's going to be able
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: to do what they want to do. And Brian Hartline
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: and Tim Beck said, we're going to be a run-first team.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: And they wanted to be able to just run all
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: over anybody. That, basically, their run game would then set
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: up a successful passing offense.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Well, the offensive line hasn't been very good.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: It's been a decent run game, but the offensive line
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: struggles in pass protection.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: And so....
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, the offense and the run game will open up
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: the pass game, but if you can't pass block, you're
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: kind of screwed. And so I think this offensive line
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: is not as dominant as they thought it was going
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to be. And this offense cannot operate at the entire
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: plan that they had all spring and all fall. And
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: now we're in the middle of a season, and I
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: think it's too late to make any changes. Now, I
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: think Matt Grothe hit it down. Just simplify things. You
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: can't change, you know, I know nobody wants them to
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: do the pro-style offense, which they're trying. You can't change
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: it now. You can next year, and you better. Because
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I think that plays more to the strengths of this team.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: This team's strength is not the offensive line. It is
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: the skilled positions. You need to spread them out and
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: spread the football around, and they're just not able to
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: do it. I'd like to get to the ball, into
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: the playmaker's hands, and maybe a little bit quicker. Now, yes,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of drop balls on this offense. That
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: is part of it. But his follow-up quote was, so
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: let me read the whole quote over again. Harline said,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: good coaches will try and do what their players do well.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: But then said, not much will change and they will have,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: and they have run the same plays all year. Same
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Cromanhawk and MVB have run the same plays all year.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: And that's fine, I get that. But if you're going
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: to say that good coaches will, do what their players
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: do well, then how are you going to run the
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: same playbook for Cromanhawk that you would run for Michael
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Van Buren Jr.? Because they are two completely different players.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Their skill set is completely different. Their strengths are different.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: You know, one of them is kind of an undersized quarterback.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: The other plays like a linebacker. You know, Michael Van
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Buren Jr., I'd like to see run a little bit more.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: They haven't run him much. Well, Luke, you better run
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: more than you run MVPs. MVP, you got to like
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the offense has to look different. I don't think it
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: can be the same. If Luke Croman Hawk is the
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: quarterback on Friday night, like you have.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: To make changes. So if good coaches do make the changes.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: That are that fit their players better than why haven't
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: we done that here? Are we not good coaches? And
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: that I question are, are they good coaches? I really
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: don't know if heartlines a good coach. You know, since
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: day one, I've had the same opinion of Brian Harlan.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: The hire didn't really excite me that much. I never
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: felt that we had upgraded from Alex Golish. A lot
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: of people literally from day one felt like they upgraded
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: from Alex Golish. This guy was crowned as an amazing hire.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: And he might translate into that one day, but he
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: has to earn it. You know, I'm very patient before
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I crown people. And I was never going to crown
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: this hire as an amazing hire until we saw it
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: play out. You know, I have the same analogy in baseball, too.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: You know, covering the Tampa Bay Rays. Everybody in town,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Junior Caminero's a superstar. All my co-hosts or co-workers, Junior's
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: a superstar. And I'm like, ah, pump the brakes on that.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: He's on his way to superstardom. Don't get me wrong.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: But we don't got to rush it. All right, there's
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: a difference between superstar and star. And Junior's a star.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I think he's a superstar in the making. I needed
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: a good World Series moment on him to elevate him
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: up to that next level.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: I didn't get it. So he's a star.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I think he will end up as a superstar, but
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to credit him as that because I
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: think he will become one. I need to see him
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: become one first. Same goes for Harline. I need to
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: see that he's going to be a good coach before
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I anoint him as this good coach. And I got
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: to be honest, I haven't really seen it. I see
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: a coach that is.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: a first-year coach, and it shows. And that's okay. I
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: think he deserves some grace.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: But he's got to make some moves this offseason that
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: are going to be uncomfortable. He's either going to have
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: to get rid of his offensive coordinator or get rid
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: of himself, which that's not going to happen. I'm not
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: calling for Hartline's job. He does deserve another year because
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they still have a
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: chance to win the American Cup. This is just where
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the standards of the program are now. We're allowed to
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: complain at 6-2 and want the coaches fired. But even
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: though they're 6-2, we all know there's problems. And it
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: is on the offensive side of things. So changes have
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: to be made. You cannot just run this back next
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: year with Tim back and be like, oh, we're going
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: to do the same thing.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: You can't. Now, if you want to bring Tim back back,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: that's fine.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: But your philosophy on offense cannot be the same. And
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: if this is all he knows, see ya. if he
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: is able to run a different style offense and you
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: guys can come together and put something else together, well,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: then you can try to make it work. But if not,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: you need to, you need to find someone that can
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: run you a much better offense that fits the school
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: you're at, because what you're trying to do doesn't necessarily fit.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I think Matt Grothy was the one that said it.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: The reason with the power, because that was one of
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: the questions I think we got from the fans, why
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the power, not power, the pro style offense doesn't work here.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Florida is just, a recruiting zone for athletes. And, you know,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: those athletic offenses, they spread it out. Those SEC athletic offenses,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: they spread it out, right? Big 10, they run the
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: pro style. They're those corn-fed dudes that'll just try to
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: bully you at the line of scrimmage.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Two totally different styles, right?
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Well, USF is going to have to play to the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: strengths of the people they bring in here. We knew
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: that this team had a talented roster, right? But did
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: they build the playbook to the roster that they brought in? Defense,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: no complaints. They're doing everything right. Kudos to Aldridge. But
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: on the offense, it's like they brought in a bunch
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: of players that are super talented but don't necessarily fit
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: what they want to do. And, you know, it goes
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: back to the Bryson interview. He said it was a
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: difficult offense to learn. It shouldn't be this difficult this
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: late into the season. Now, Luke Cromanhawk, if he does
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: get the start, this could change the offense completely. The
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: one thing that I really like about Luke, and that
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: run he had, the 42-yard run, it gave the team
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: a little life in that moment when he came in.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: When we talked to Aiden Jackson last week on the show,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I asked who the biggest trash talker was on offense
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: and the biggest trash talker on defense was. On defense,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: he said himself. On offense, he said Luke Cromanhawk is
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the biggest trash talker. So when he had that 42-yard run,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: my first thought was like, oh, that defense is definitely
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: hearing the trash talk from him. But secondly, I thought...
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: All right, if he's a trash talker, then he's probably
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: pretty vocal with his offense. And I think this offense
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: needs that. Now, I could be totally wrong. I have
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: not met Michael Van Buren Jr. He has not been
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: on the show. I didn't meet him at FanFest. I
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: have not been around him at all. But from just
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: what we see, he seems more reserved, kind of quiet.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: You don't really see a ton of emotion from him. Like,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I don't ever see him rallying the troops on the sidelines.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: And I could be wrong. So if you've seen different
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: during the broadcast and I'm misspeaking, feel free to let
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: me know in the comments. But I feel like he's
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: not a super vocal leader. And I think the offense
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: might need that. And I'm hoping with Luke Cromanhawk, they're
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: going to get that. In fact, I think with Luke,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: they will get that. I think he's that type of person. Maybe,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: just maybe that is what they need to kind of
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: spark them into what we've all been waiting. I I'm
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: hoping Luke is the starter on Friday because I think
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: if we're just going to continue to try the same thing,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: but expect different results, then I think it's just, it's stupid.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: You know, this team is six and two and none
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: of us are happy and it's just bizarre. And so I,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I know that the American conference is still on the line,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: but I, I, I'd like to see Luke get a
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: shot here for a couple games and see what he
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: can do.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, the offense can't get any worse.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: And as long as this defense plays at the level
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: they're playing at, you're going to be in every single game,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: unless they have another UTSA moment, which I don't expect. Now,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: going to be a short week this week, but it's
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: one day. It's not on a Thursday night. It's on
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: a Friday night. Completely different. I expect the defense to
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: be fully prepared. Now, the offense, on the other hand,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: is a short week. I'm... I'm disappointed that it looked
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the way it looked coming out of the buy. If
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: there was ever going to be a time to change it,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: install something different, take something out of it, that was
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: the week to do it, and same old story. So
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: that's where we are. But that quote from Heartline really
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: stood out to me. What did you guys think of
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the black jerseys? I loved them, but why are we
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: wearing them at noon? Anybody else think that? I was
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: a little disappointed in the crowd, too, by the way.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Not to pile on, because we had a long week
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: with Brewers fans, and we kind of took a hit
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: nationally there, but I was a little disappointed in the
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: crowd on Saturday. I don't know if it had to
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: do with Halloween or being a nooner, or if the
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: offense is just boring people to death. Nobody wants to go,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: but I was a little bit disappointed in the crowd,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: because I believe that's the final Saturday game at Ray J.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to give you.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Guys a pass on that one. I'm trying to make
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: it out to the Memphis game. I do want to
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: be at that Memphis game on a Thursday night. That
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: crowd's got to be electric because that.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Could be a good game.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: We are rooting for Memphis the rest of the way
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: other than– actually, no, hold on. I'm thinking of North
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Texas when they play UTSA or rooting for UTSA. Yeah,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: the Memphis game, that's going to be.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: A big one.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: There's going to be some meaning there, all right, because
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: they are still alive for the American. That game's got
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: to be packed out. We need to see our best
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: home crowd that week. But the black jerseys, I loved them.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: But at noon, I thought was just so weird because
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: it's hot. It wasn't like it was a cool October day.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: It was hot with the sun.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: It was humid. And you're wearing black jerseys.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: We've had so many night games at Raymond James Stadium,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: and you don't black out a night game? You know,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: minor thing to bitch about, but kind of bitching about
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: it because I'm like, what are we doing? I'm trying
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: to think about anything else in my notes. I feel
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: like we've hit it all.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Did we talk about the fourth and one call in
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: the first quarter? I think we did.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I hated the play calling there. I think we did
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: cover that. Yeah, I guess before we go, CJ Hicks, man, beast.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Hell of a game.
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  Speaker 2: Really was.
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  Speaker 1: We'll have another player interview, I think, tomorrow. I got
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: to reach out to the school, actually, once I'm done
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: with this. To confirm, usually the short weeks are kind
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: of different, but we had a player when it was
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the Thursday game, so I expect a player tomorrow. And
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: then Wednesday, the goal will be to get the preview
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: show out for the game on Friday night.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: So you guys have that. Because the Friday night.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Game against ECU, I want to get that out to
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: you on Wednesday so you have a little bit of
• 34:45
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• 34:46
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• 34:48
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• 36:00
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