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OPEC changes and their effects on global energy markets · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  I'm your host, Lieutenant Colonel Sargasing, US Army Retired, CEO of the Near East Center for Strategic Engagement.
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  And I'm continuing my conversation from last week.
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  And for those who haven't heard it, please go back and listen to it because I wanted to make sure I brought Alpha Johnson back again, a colleague and a dear friend who is a senior advisory board member serving as a director of research for Southeast Asia and Japan for NECSC, our company.
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  And the reason for that is, and uh I know we're looking at Middle East, and last week we talked about Iran, but it's important to kind of look at it from the historical perspective of what's happening and how this uh entire Iran piece is really more of a focus on how we can squeeze our near-peer China and uh some of the significant developments this last week, and I thought it was uh important to talk to Al, especially as uh the Trump is now planning on heading out to Asia sometime uh this month uh coming up in May, I should say, uh, as uh uh you know he's looking at maybe leveraging uh against China for whatever is remaining from the term uh that uh you know he has now uh over the next few years.
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  And uh Al, it's good to have you back again.
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  Well, it's good to be back.
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  I appreciate it.
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  Uh so uh Al, I know that a couple of things came up.
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  Uh I wanted to let our audience know.
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  I think the most important things that really took place uh with the whole Iran issue uh was uh the uh one, a uh tanker uh from Texas, fully filled with uh American oil, made it through the Panama Canal, where I remember you and me were down there before the uh Rubio's trip uh down to Panama when initially everything got kicked off on the uh second term of Trump.
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  Uh of course, Michael Yam was there too.
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  Um, and um uh that tanker made it all the way to Japan and uh offloaded American oil to Japan, uh, which is very important because it's a significant shift in uh um America's capability to export oil to its uh uh partners and allies, uh, especially in the Asian region, um, who are now having to focus more on working with America on receiving their oils rather than being able to get received that oil from initially the uh uh Persian Gulf and uh through the Straits of Hormuz.
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  And the second biggest thing that happened was that UAE decided to leave OPEC.
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  What does that mean?
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  That means that uh OPEC is broken.
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  Trump uh main goal was to break it as best as possible because OPEC was what uh was really keeping the pricing globally down.
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  And uh the fact that UAE is leaving it is basically saying that OPEC is uh useless.
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  It doesn't serve a any type of a support mechanism for us.
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  Um and uh uh also the third thing that the Trump administration has done, we've extended the ability of Russia to sell uh Russian oil on the global market.
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  And as of just a day ago, oil was up at uh uh hundred uh uh eight dollars per barrel, which Russia is now selling uh without any sanctions on them.
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  Uh that's uh 170 million barrels of oil that were initially stranded at the sea that uh Russia still has the ability to sell.
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  Um, and as we're doing that, we're you know blockading the Iranian ability to be able to sustain itself, where they have now 500 million dollar losses daily for what is taking place.
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  So, what's the importance in this is that uh what used to be relying of coming out of the Middle East is no longer there.
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  It's now uh all the shipping is willing to pay at least two uh billion dollars more if need be in order to be able to move their ships securely, uh, fill them up with U.S.
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  oil and uh be able to project that globally.
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  That means 80% of the uh global energy markets are now in our hands.
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  And uh, as you remember, you and me had worked on the whole issue of what was happening in Burma, and we're looking at how China was setting up these deep water ports to be able to bypass America if America decided to block it its uh uh ability to maneuver through these uh global shipping lanes, and now we've pretty much have been able to destroy it with that ability and their counter, and it's that sunk cost money that they put into these deep water ports, um, given the fact that we're able to control the global energy.
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  So, you know, that's how I'm seeing it.
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  Uh, I'm not sure what you're seeing from your perspective on it, but I'm sure that um it had resonates with you given the fact that you looked at the historical facts of what we did World War I, World War II, even prior to that, to be able to put us in a position that we are main controller of uh the entire global strategic policy and maybe rewriting a new uh global policy for the world that is America focused.
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  Yep.
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  Yeah, no, it's absolutely true.
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  And then it's interesting.
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  The as long as you have the paradigm, you know, as you do in the NECE folks that do about you know, this is about routes, resources, uh, you know, and the routes are old routes, right?
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  I mean, these are very ancient routes that are still useful today.
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  Um, and then even in new technology like AI and the data centers and the fiber optic networks and all this data is the new oil, they physically still have to go along lines, and those lines are along essentially old trade routes, right?
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  In other words, you're not you're not really paving new trails.
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  You're using ancient trails that have been fought over for many, many times.
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  Ancient trails that have been fought over for many, many times.
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  And in the middle of that, you're setting up new organizational structures or your evolving organizational structures that A will maximize your profit, centralize your control, and expand your markets.
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  And in the middle of that, you're setting up new organizational structures or your evolving organizational structures that A will maximize your profit, centralize your control, and expand your markets.
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  And that's that's the pattern that's been throughout World War One and Two.
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  And that's that's the pattern that's been throughout World War One and Two.
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  And it's really sad that most people still see those two wars as, you know, wars for democracy or wars for civilization.
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  And it's really sad that most people still see those two wars as you know, wars for democracy or wars for civilization.
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  It's like, no, no, they weren't.
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  It's like, no, no, they weren't.
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  You know, in other words, it wasn't there.
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  You know, in other words, it wasn't there.
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  You don't, you don't have the USSR as your
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  You don't, you don't have the USSR as your biggest ally if it's a war for democracy, right?
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  In World War II.
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  It's not really what it's about.
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  And the sooner I think that people get a better paradigm of history with clear eyes and a uh a dedicated mind to evidence-based approach, the quicker it they can see the patterns now and go, oh, okay, I get what this is.
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  Um, and there's a couple things I wanted to add to it.
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  One of the things is interesting is if you notice, you know, you asked the question with the, as we've talked many times, the SEO, the Shanghai Cooperative Organization.
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  You have, you know, we've known you we wrote articles on this for years, you know, back in 2014, actually you're a little earlier, but 2014 was the big push about the Shanghai Cooperative Organization that's existed since uh, you know, in one form or another since the mid-1990s, specifically to counter uh what they said was U.S.
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  head uh hegemony, and it was Russia and China initially, but then there was Iran and eventually Venezuela, you know, it has Pakistan in there.
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  So it was basically creating that central axis.
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  And so when the war in Ukraine took off, people were surprised that China was helping.
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  It's like, why were why would you be surprised, right?
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  They have frameworks in place and agreements in place to move this.
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  And they were, they were looking at managing the resources along that internal central axis, and then China's going outside of that with their belt and rolled initiative to essentially grab colonies and then move that back.
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  And so our con region and the depopulation of the Rohingya there that was creating that huge refugee crisis that eventually cascaded down into Thailand, which then became very interesting for us.
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  That was to keep that, as you say, the deep water port and then the the fuel pump or the excuse me, the oil pipeline to go up into China so they could bypass the Malacca Strait.
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  And that's coming back in.
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  As much as we talk Strait of Hormuz, uh, I think the next phase is going to be you're gonna see a lot of stuff in our old stomping ground down there in Thailand in the Kra Isthmus, um, where Joe is, is because they're looking again at that.
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  In fact, just this morning, uh Michael gave us a link about uh the current Thai government is really pushing hard just for initially a land bridge across uh KRA.
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  So they're looking at creating that land canal, the dry canal, so to speak, across Kra, and then eventually maybe a canal itself, just to kind of you know, get get a project moving, because Indonesia has now signed on board with the United States, and that's right up in China's grill, right?
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  That Strait of Malacca, which depending on the time of year and the commodity is 80% of trade, not just the Pacific region, but global moves through that Strait of Malacca.
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  And China is absolutely dependent on it.
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  They still don't have the infrastructure yet to be um to be self-sufficient in that area.
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  They're they're building canals in Cambodia.
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  They were looking at that.
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  But if the canal is built by the United States or an ally or an oligarch structure that's the United States owned, China loses.
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  Um, and it it becomes a battle for the canal.
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  We saw this before when the Suez Canal was built.
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  Uh, initially it was built by, you know, Ferdinand, Ferdinand de Lesseps and a French company, French Consortium, but very quickly Britain realized that there was no way in the world they were going to let the French own that canal.
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  Their colonies depended upon Britain owning the sea lanes and at that time the coaling station.
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  So they had to they had to maintain maritime control.
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  And the Suez Canal, once built by the French, was absolutely critical.
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  And to secure that canal, they bankrupted Egypt.
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  They eventually colonized Egypt.
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  They threatened war with France, and then they created a new nation about 50 years after that, which is called Israel.
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  I mean, all of these things they will we'll do it.
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  The United States, in order to maintain the Panama Canal to get the Panama Canal away from the French, we bought it from the French, but to get the Panama Canal in Panama, we created the country of Panama, almost going to war with Colombia in violation of treaties just for that.
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  So the stakes are high, and it's we've always we've always done this.
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  This is nothing new under the sun, as as Solomon has attributed to saying, and we're seeing it again.
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  So I I think that the Kra Canal, you're going to see a lot of activity now in the in that area with Trump going to uh Asia, he's going to be negotiating, I feel with uh G, and he's going to be looking at saying, look, what we're doing in the Strait of Hormuz by blocking this trade, we're going to increase our markets because the United States is now selling oil to Japan, as you said, rather than everybody else.
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  And it's it's becoming an economic war.
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  So we're looking for advantageous in controlling pretty much the distribution lanes and gaining new markets and becoming a supplier.
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  And if we have, we now have Indonesia on board with the Strait of Malacca, Thailand is still our ally, and so it's going to have the canal, and the canal will be in the U.S.
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  control if Thailand builds it under our funding and our advisors, then China's in a hard, hard, hard position, right?
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  They are very desperate.
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  And so I think that what Trump might be doing is saying, okay, look, and and he's also going to be looking for an exit strategy.
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  This has hurt him politically, as you know.
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  Um, despite no matter what's going on, it's really a tough spot because you just can't crack the Persian nut as easily as he thought, as easily as whoever advised him that you just knock off a couple of folks at the top and the theocracy will crumble, right?
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  And as you said last week, and it was very, very important.
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  I think people go back and listen to that if you haven't.
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  Iran is not a theocracy.
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  Iran is not a Muslim Arabian country, right?
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  It's not Arab, it's not, you know, what everybody thinks of.
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  Iran is a very ancient social structure that has a current governance, but you have to know those those ancient structures.
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  And so he's kind of in in the position right now where he's looking for an exit strategy that maintains this prosperity.
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  Uh as you said, OPEC has cracked, and you know, there's an opportunity for the US.
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  The US is now feeding allies uh some oil, you know, getting profits, but there's still a lot of play.
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  There's still a lot of things that are unsettled in this whole thing.
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  Interestingly, two things came up.
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  Number one is uh Britain, right?
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  You had King Charles come over here.
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  Now Britain in this thing stands to either lose or gain.
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  And as you know, back in World War I, which we'll go over here probably in the second segment, uh, Britain was very much involved in getting the United States aligned with Britain.
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  We weren't always aligned with Britain.
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  I mean, everybody knows 1776, but people don't realize that we almost went to war much later, almost in the 20th century over resources, right?
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  It was still a very much a game between the United States and Britain.
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  And at certain levels, there were certain very powerful groups that worked the deals so that we were stitching our lines together so that we wouldn't compete openly in war.
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  We were we were kind of joined together a little bit more in pursuit of these routes, resources, profit centers, and markets.
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  And so that's that might be coming unraveled if you look at the the nature and it's still people are still breaking apart the king's speech in before Congress.
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  You know, is he trying to, you know, is is the Trump administration moving away from kind of that British oligarch structure?
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  Is the Trump administration moving away from kind of that British oligarch structure?
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  Is it becoming more independent?
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  Is it becoming more independent?
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  And this is a call to try to bring it back in there, or uh is he simply saying, you know, reasserting that kind of dominance in that relationship.
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  And this is a call to try to bring it back in there, or uh is he simply saying, you know, reasserting that kind of dominance and that relationship that remains to be seen.
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  That remains to be seen.
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  So there's a lot of moving parts in here that are going on.
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  So there's a lot of moving parts in here that are going on.
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  The final one I want to talk about uh that's very interesting before we go into the history is along those routes and resources, is you know, Saudi Arabia has the Saudi Vision 2030 initiative.
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  The final one I want to talk about, uh, that's very interesting before we go into the history, is along those routes and resources, as you know, Saudi Arabia has the Saudi Vision 2030 initiative.
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  Um, and we'll go to that real quick, but AI, don't forget AI and all this, right?
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  Um, and we'll go to that real quick, but AI, don't forget AI and all this, right?
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  World War I.
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  World War One was about banking and oil.
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  World War II was a little bit to consolidate more of that oil routes, resources, and then gain dominance of the Pacific and the sea lanes.
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  No one will challenge us in the sea lanes of the Pacific.
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  And it was supposed to be most of the market in Asia.
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  This one is probably going to be digital currency for the banks.
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  It's going to be a new kind of structure of the UN NATO may go away.
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  OPEC is going to change.
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  And I see probably a cyber currency and a lot of AI going in there.
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  AI is going to be huge.
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  And if you look in the Vision 2030, they have something called the Noem Project, N-O-E-E-N-E-O-M.
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  It's 500 billion with a B dollars uh development.
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  Uh the Northwest Project, a Tay Book.
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  And it's a he 170 kilometer city, zero carbon car-free.
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  It's like a super smart city with AI and nodes coming out from that.
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  And there's a lot of development goes goes into that.
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  I would recommend a lot of people look at the remember 2017.
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  Trump went over to Saudi Arabia, they had the big counterterrorism center with the big orb.
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  They're all touching it with that uh that Kodak moment.
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  This is a massive data center that's going in there.
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  And Iran needs to be on board because you've got to run those lines east, right?
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  So Iran's right there.
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  So look for those deals as well.
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  A lot of construction with fiber optics and how they're going to move information that way, physically and link up systems.
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  So look for that.
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  That's part of this.
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  Well, everybody's talking oil, that's part of it.
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  But we've also got helium, we've got phosphorus, we've got data, we've got lines, uh, AI centers and energy, a lot of moving parts in this.
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  A lot's happening on this.
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  So just wanted to get that in there.
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  No, we do.
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  And um, look, um, I mean there's folks out there probably uh can say, well, you know, there's other ways of moving stuff now, um, rather than fiber optics, but the world still is operating off of that.
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  So we we cannot just lean ourselves off of something that already works and introduce suddenly a future tech in there, you'll destroy the entire global economy.
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  You could do that.
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  I would say if you get it to a closer to a World War III uh position, because you could just dump that on the uh uh on the global market and absolutely destroy uh white uh uh, you know, uh swaths of uh nations that don't agree with you.
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  Uh but um I think before we get there, uh it's uh, you know, is uh is important to cover to kind of uh how he's trying to squeeze it and using the old text that we have currently infusing AI into it to be able to still ensure that the global economy is operating and for our benefit.
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  Uh when we do come back, I do want to talk about uh a piece that you talked about, um, specifically what happened with Ukraine and what I think is happening with Ukraine, especially with the fact that NATO did not come to play uh to support us on these operations and why it's important for us and how we're squeezing the ability of China to be able to make a profit to uh be able to uh counter us uh in these operations.
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  Just um for everybody to know, as uh Al was talking about just before we sign off from the first segment.
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  I had written an article, January 29 of 2018, the ethnic cleansing in Burma, Atacana region, the Chinese move in and force ethnic minorities out and looked at uh, you know, uh General Halang and the Burmese army um having such an interest in the Atacan region, which was uh a remote and province region uh of the country in the far west of the country, uh and uh China really held the uh the uh um you know key to that, and it was because of the Chinese government consortium known as CITIC, which was a Chinese International Trust Investment Corporation that was at that time streamrolling a 14 billion dollar project in the region that was centered over a town uh in the region where it was building a deep water port and oil transport and processing facility.
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  And uh, I'm glad that uh uh what we've done now is basically have that uh deep water port become a sunk cost for them.
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  But uh we'll be back for the uh second portion of our segment and discussion with uh Al Johnson, who is a senior advisory board member serving as a director of research for Satis Asia Japan for the Near East Center for strategic engagement.
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  Uh so there's a couple of things here, Al, uh, based on our discussions uh in the last segment, and I just want to kind of highlight these.
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  Iran, when uh before the war, uh had sanctions on it.
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  Uh had sanctions on it.
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  So if you were looking at as an example, uh oil barrel being 100, Iran had to produce that, give a 20 discount on the oil barrel to the Chinese.
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  So if you were looking at, as an example, uh oil barrel being $100, Iran had to produce that, give a $20 discount on the oil barrel to the Chinese.
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  However, with that said, it would literally have to sell that oil to the Chinese with another $50 discount.
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  However, with that said, it would literally have to sell that oil to the Chinese with another $50 discount.
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  And in this case, basically, uh, you had China buying uh Iranian oil for 20 bucks rather than either 70, 80 bucks or uh
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  And in this case, basically, uh, you had China buying uh Iranian oil for 20 bucks rather than either 70, 80 bucks or um, you know, a uh um uh anywhere with a half margin of it.
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  Now, China wasn't giving cash back to Iran because of the sanctions process, wasn't laundering it back in which way, it was giving product back to Iran.
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  What product?
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  Just the garbage that is made in China, you know.
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  Uh I mean, you know, uh some more DJI drones for you.
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  Yeah, pretty much.
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  Uh stuff that was absolutely useless, you know.
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  So what was that doing for China?
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  Very easy.
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  Uh, if I was an American uh uh producer just to make a pen, okay, uh as a company, and maybe that pen would cost a dollar for me to make the Chinese were making it based on uh slave or labor, no cost at all, maybe 10 cents.
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  Okay, if you're selling a pen for 10 cents, a Chinese pen on Amazon, of course, people are gonna buy the 10 cent pen rather than a dollar pen.
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  But what does this do now with the fact that we've basically broken OPAC, you know, which uh had uh links uh and tentacles by the Shanghai cooperative organization into it, uh with China is a lead for.
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  We basically now have forced Iran or China, I should say, to have to buy that oil at an expense of price.
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  So Sunny, imagine what happens to the Chinese economy as it's already faltering, and then now it has to buy oil at a hundred dollar barrel, no longer buying it at uh you know, basically twenty dollars a barrel and turning around and basically giving product.
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  Now it has to give money because these nations that you were in OPAC, they're gonna be like, you know what?
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  Most OPEC is gone.
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  Guess what?
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  We're gonna charge the price we want.
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  And if somebody's willing to buy our uh our oil, so be it.
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  That's why I think it's important to break OPEC, because by breaking OPEC, now you drive competition among all the countries that have oil, and at the same time, once these ships that are now coming to the United States are getting oil and moving into Asia, once they've already established that route line, they are not going to go back and change and try to go somewhere else.
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  Because they realize, and all these nations that were in war, and guess what the Iranians did?
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  They hit all the uh um uh uh refinery facilities for the Gulf nations.
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  All of them now have it's gonna take them five to ten years to rebuild their refining capacity, they're all gonna have to uh be under the wings of the Saudi Arabia.
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  Saudi Arabia is the only one who's gonna be really that major producer of uh oil that's coming out, even the oil out of um uh Iraq, which boss for light is one of the best oils you can find anywhere.
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  Even that particular oil is still under the control of the United States.
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  Why?
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  Because you know uh Iraq uh lives and dies based on the US controlling its finances.
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  As I said to the uh uh not a show we're talking about, that uh the Iraqi government has two accounts in the US uh Federal Reserve, and those accounts are frozen.
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  And they just uh just a few days ago, they put a corrupt businessman in charge of uh uh Iraq and uh you know the president uh Washam Luck said, you know, as soon as you're able to formulate a government, come see me, and there's a lot of people who don't believe that's even a possibility.
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  So a lot of the Iranian ties to the old systems like Maliki, those guys, all that is dying off.
• 24:58
  Now you're breaking that, you're forcing now China to have to pay, you know, sell its goods for more of a price than it was doing before, given the fact that they need the money to pay for the oil, right?
• 25:12
  Which is a resource that they need.
• 25:14
  What did you do with uh their ally, Russia, which was really being squeezed by China?
• 25:20
  You basically allow now Russia to sell oil itself.
• 25:23
  So guess who's buying the Russian oil?
• 25:25
  They're just like they were doing before.
• 25:27
  Those are Europeans, you know, after what NATO did to the United States, Trump's like, okay, that's fine.
• 25:32
  You want to do that?
• 25:33
  Go ahead.
• 25:34
  Hey, Russia, go ahead and sell your oil to the Europeans at 100 plus dollars a barrel.
• 25:39
  And what are the Europeans doing?
• 25:41
  They're they're buying Russian oil.
• 25:44
  They're developed, they're they're buying weapons with that uh, you know, uh with what they have from their own economy.
• 25:51
  They're giving it for free to the Ukrainians, and the Russians are using the money that uh the NATO has given them to create more weapons system to destroy whatever the Europeans are giving to NATO.
• 26:03
  So they're literally paying one group, uh, in this case the Russians, money through oil uh process and products in order to be able to destroy this weapon system that they're really giving for free to the Ukrainians.
• 26:15
  And for those who want to say this about democracy, we have to protect Ukraine.
• 26:20
  Listen to me.
• 26:21
  Ukraine doesn't exist anymore.
• 26:23
  Okay, it exists as a nation with borders, which now has for the past four years, majority of its locations are important to it, occupied by the Russians.
• 26:34
  Okay, Ukrainians have lost millions of people, millions of people in this war.
• 26:41
  If you think about it, you're looking at as of January of just last year, you were looking at uh uh uh millions, you're 10 million Ukrainians that are either 5 million displaced internally into the country, I should say 11 million, and another additional six million now that are refugees outside of Ukraine who may not be coming back.
• 27:06
  And guess who's a refugee?
• 27:08
  It's a Ukrainian woman with her kids, and her husband has died in combat.
• 27:12
  That Ukrainian woman's probably gonna marry a Polish man or somebody else.
• 27:17
  If she ever comes back, she's gonna have her hell nominate outside of Ukraine.
• 27:22
  Every piece of property that existed in Ukraine that is under the control of the uh current Ukrainian government under Zelensky, has been mortgaged for the war indefinitely for the next 50 years, some for 75 years.
• 27:38
  You're looking at every um uh every thing that is in agriculture, everything that exists in mineral rights, all those have been sold to foreign companies because he needs to have sold them in advance in order to be able to get the weapons he needs to fight the Russians.
• 27:56
  The only thing that now exists in uh Ukraine that expanded has been basically for the gravesites, and uh it continues.
• 28:00
  Been basically for the gravesites and uh it continues.
• 28:03
  They continue to lose people uh in combat.
• 28:03
  They continue to lose people uh in combat.
• 28:06
  So your your areas or are controlled by the Russians, which probably ain't gonna give them back to them.
• 28:06
  So your your areas are controlled by the Russians, which probably ain't gonna give them back to them.
• 28:14
  Uh, you have your Europeans, in this case NATO nations, and they could sign contracts wherever they want economically, relying on Russian oil.
• 28:14
  Uh you have your Europeans, in this case NATO nations, and they could sign contracts for wherever they want economically, relying on Russian oil.
• 28:22
  They're the ones who are actually paying the Russians the money for the oil that the Russians are turning around, creating weapons systems to.
• 28:22
  They're the ones who are actually paying the Russians the money for the oil that the Russians are turning around, creating weapons systems to destroy uh the Ukrainian military.
• 28:34
  11 million of your people are displaced or or or refugees, five million being displaced internally in the country, the rest being refugees, and and you've lost uh millions of people in combat operations, and everything that you have that you need as a nation to support yourself, you've sold in advance to foreign companies that are gonna take that and never gonna give it back to include foreign nations.
• 28:59
  Uh most people don't understand when we had to lend lease program in World War II with British, the last chick that the British paid to us to pay off the final loan that they had to us was in March of 2020, COVID year.
• 29:14
  That was the last chick they paid for us.
• 29:16
  So Ukraine's not gonna be able to pay this off.
• 29:19
  So when people say, you know, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, it doesn't exist as a sovereign nation.
• 29:24
  Everything that it had has been sold off.
• 29:26
  It's people who have been displaced has been dead in his uh uh property is controlled, and the same individuals who are giving it the toys to go to war for free are turning around and paying the Russians who are making weapons system to destroy those toys, which which goes to show how uh inept uh Europe is when it comes to his ability to understand the basics of politics uh and energy control.
• 29:51
  And and guess what the president is doing?
• 29:53
  He's like, yeah, I'm gonna control the uh global energy resources here.
• 29:57
  And by the way, while I'm doing that, I'm gonna be the lead in AI, where well I was maybe number three uh in AI, as he stated it a few days ago.
• 30:06
  Uh, and I'm gonna be the first one to the moon.
• 30:10
  And uh guess what?
• 30:11
  If I need to bring some other resources, stuff that you can't find here, I'll get it from the moon.
• 30:16
  Uh so uh I I don't know.
• 30:18
  I mean, I think the plan is sound, but whether or not uh individuals inside of our government aren't gonna allow that to come to fruition in the long term, I don't know if that's a that's possible.
• 30:29
  I I know I talked a little bit too much on this, but I wanted to make sure at least it's good to deal with your concepts of what we're looking at in World War I and World War II lessons learned.
• 30:38
  Yeah, no, it's it's a great, and it's a great one that people can look real time and see what was going on.
• 30:42
  So you know, like you said, the money Europe is spending money is sending money to Moscow, missiles to Ukraine, but which is now a mortgaged property, right?
• 30:50
  So Ukraine is a mortgage property, they're sending missiles to one, money to the opposite, and fighting.
• 30:55
  And you have to ask, you know, who who benefits from all this, right?
• 30:58
  In other words, it's not it's not the Europeans, it's not the European nations, but there are certain uh economic central groups within um they're transnational, but some are based in Europe and they make money.
• 31:10
  Why?
• 31:10
  Because they you know they make a profit on the transaction, and oh, by the way, then they sell they sell the weapons, and usually they get money sometimes from the United States or from other parties that will then they'll sell their weapons over, right?
• 31:20
  So it's it's uh there's always somebody profiting from it at the beginning of it, and they have that policy captured.
• 31:27
  Um, but the problem is, like I said, I mean, the the human cost of this is tremendous.
• 31:31
  I mean, Ukraine is is a mortgage property, it ceased to function as a nation.
• 31:34
  It's a puppet state, essentially, right?
• 31:36
  It's mortgaged and it's it's not even a nation really that owns it.
• 31:39
  The US has it, but it's it's pretty much oligarchs.
• 31:42
  I mean, when when Zelensky came first time into Trump's White House on the second term, you saw that they were letting him know he kind of he kind of got outside.
• 31:49
  He didn't understand exactly who owned who mortgaged Ukraine.
• 31:52
  He wasn't quite sure he was he was getting too much into the part he was supposed to play, and they put him back in his place, right?
• 31:59
  They were like, Okay, you don't understand your role here, dude.
• 32:01
  And he's like, Oh, okay.
• 32:02
  Um that's the way it's been for a long time.
• 32:04
  And so I think the the again, the sooner that people see it, the sooner I think that they can negotiate for better pay.
• 32:11
  Because you know, like as we talked about last week, and we've talked offline, um, and I've talked with others, and they they see the light come on.
• 32:18
  You know, if soldiers are going and fighting for democracy because they're a professional soldiery, right?
• 32:22
  Well, you get what you're given.
• 32:22
  You're given handouts, you go to the VA and all this stuff.
• 32:25
  But if you're like, no, hold on a second, I'm making NVIDIA 10 trillion dollars by doing this.
• 32:29
  I'm making, you know, standard oil or you know, what's it called now, Exxon.
• 32:33
  You know, I'm making shell bazillions of dollars doing this.
• 32:36
  Um I want to cut.
• 32:38
  Right?
• 32:38
  We're going out here, we're doing this.
• 32:40
  I want to cut.
• 32:41
  Put 20% of your profit over the next 10 years into a lockbox, high interest yield, right?
• 32:45
  Give us some stock options, and that goes into a medical lockbox.
• 32:48
  And oh, by the way, we're not paying taxes because that's just paying the debt to you that the Fed has, right?
• 32:53
  In other words, you know, you start you start being open and honest about those transactions, and it would, I think it would do a couple things.
• 32:59
  Number one, the the medical service and the the quality of life for soldiers and their families would go up tremendously.
• 33:05
  You wouldn't be locked in the VA.
• 33:07
  You have good quality health care with a voucher, you can go to any hospital you want, and the government pays for it, right?
• 33:11
  That's a big one.
• 33:12
  The second thing, yeah, yeah.
• 33:13
  And you know well the the quality of the VA.
• 33:18
  I can't even say that without Flynn coming up in my throat.
• 33:22
  But the good news is you've got how many extra purple hearts did you get from your VA uh stay there?
• 33:27
  Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, I missed a couple of your pieces.
• 33:29
  I had I passed on because of the last medication we had to give me a few repeated.
• 33:35
  That's it, you know, it's like, but you get more purple hearts.
• 33:38
  But the but the point being is that is that we have been the the sit the citizens of nations and soldiers and all that have been kind of sold this this veneer of unreality.
• 33:48
  You know, they've they've couched wars as a democracy or something.
• 33:51
  It's not, it's it's absolutely not.
• 33:52
  It's about routes and resources.
• 33:53
  And if you think about it, if you really really think about it, uh, you know, the Kelly's hero scenario is what I call it.
• 33:58
  That's on a global scale.
• 34:00
  Why else would you fight?
• 34:01
  Why would you fight?
• 34:02
  Because some people use a yellow ballot versus a purple ballot.
• 34:06
  And I'm gonna go kill everybody that does it.
• 34:07
  I'm gonna go kill the voters of another nation because they didn't vote the way that I think they should vote.
• 34:12
  That's that's the war for democracy.
• 34:14
  You know, we're fighting for freedom of the press, and yet we don't have it here a lot of times.
• 34:18
  I mean, look at 2020.
• 34:19
  If I can jump in here real quick, and I think this is what uh a little nuance of the piece that people are not understanding, you know.
• 34:26
  Uh when when Trump went in and took the lead leader of uh Venezuela, there were charges against that guy, okay, for what he was doing with sending drug boats and everything else to us.
• 34:39
  And he's going through court right now, you know, a process here in the US.
• 34:43
  Uh he's not going and bombing and killing the head of the parliament and others that are in Iran because whether you like it or not, people went and voted for these people.
• 34:54
  They may not have voted for the um for the lead leaders in the IRGC and others to include their theological leader who himself wasn't even uh actual Ayatollah.
• 35:00
  To include their theological leader who himself wasn't even uh actual Ayatollah.
• 35:05
  He was just put in that place.
• 35:05
  He was just put in that place, and his son, of course, if the as a father wasn't on real Ayatollah, he was just put in that position because of internal struggles that took place between the religious clergies, and then the rest is similar.
• 35:06
  And his son, of course, if the as a father wasn't on a real Ayatollah, he was just put in that position because of internal struggles that took place between the religious clergies.
• 35:16
  And then the rest is similar.
• 35:18
  No, no changes there.
• 35:18
  No, no changes there.
• 35:20
  But but but the issue is that he can't just go in and do the same thing there in Iran because now you are replacing a uh
• 35:20
  But but the issue is that he can't just go in and do the same thing there in Iran because now you are replacing a uh government people that were elected, whether we like it or not, by the people in Iran.
• 35:37
  The same people that today have the freedoms that a lot of people don't understand.
• 35:40
  That uh they're like, well, Iranians are suffering.
• 35:43
  Go look at the newest video coming out, not even AI.
• 35:46
  You know, a gal marries uh marries a guy and she's wearing uh uh bride's uh dress that you could see you know her ties as she's walking, you know, down the street, and actually uh the police are with her, escorting her to make sure that nobody touches her.
• 36:02
  And then you get the other young lady who's sitting there uh drinking uh uh hard liquor, basically uh at a table, no hijab on uh the things that they wanted, you know, they've they've had for now.
• 36:15
  Um, yes, they want to see something more, uh bigger change, but when we're looking at the issues of global economy uh economics that nations go to war over, you need somebody who understands the Iranian bazaar to be able to manage it and control it, and hopefully it's somebody who you know those individuals had uh had got on ahead and voted for.
• 36:37
  Now, is it possible that we go back to combat operations and maybe some of these leaders get killed in the process?
• 36:43
  Yeah, it's possible, but I think what he's done now with the uh sanctions that he's put on the uh uh on the country, he's getting he's given an opportunity for the Iranian army, not the Bass CG or the IRGC to rise up against that government.
• 36:59
  But the only reason that there's no signing of a contract yet is because twofolds.
• 37:06
  One, the people who would sign that contract are fearful for their lives because what would happen to them after they sign it, and they know that if they don't sign it, it's gonna get so worse that it doesn't matter.
• 37:18
  The people are gonna take it.
• 37:19
  Or even before Israel, Israel's still negotiating, right?
• 37:22
  They're still knocking out everybody that goes to the gun, they're still killing people that are negotiating, like, yeah, no, we don't we don't have any enough invested in that group bombing.
• 37:29
  Yeah, there you go.
• 37:31
  So look who's who's gonna stand up and say I'm in charge.
• 37:34
  Yeah, because you're just gonna get bombed.
• 37:36
  I I I think I you know, I just wanted to make sure people understood this, and we're gonna talk about it in the third segment.
• 37:42
  We really we got uh just 30 seconds in this segment left.
• 37:46
  But um, I I did want to kind of lay this out so to give you an opportunity to really flush everything out in the final segment as we come back as to why it's important.
• 37:55
  I'm not saying that democracy is not important to anybody, it's important to everybody, but there has to be some realities of understanding how this planet operates, you know, and uh and you have to do time to grow up.
• 38:06
  Yeah, it's time to grow up.
• 38:07
  It's trying to grow up, okay.
• 38:09
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• 40:31
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• 40:50
  Um Alfred uh uh latest moves in his career has been uh looking into the network identification, the uh de-radicalization in the information operational fields.
• 41:02
  His investigations have let him throughout Southeast uh Asia, Japan, and the United States he uh focused uh has focused on identifying organic and external information, cultural and historical friction points and their impact on uh more significant regional issues.
• 41:21
  He's also specializes in identifying CCP historical information campaigns, uh informational campaigns, I should say, designed to influence current policy and radicalizing opposition groups, even here in the United States.
• 41:35
  Al I um I think I spoke enough in the last two segments to kind of try to talk what's hap uh tie what's happening currently to what you have on the historical side of the house.
• 41:46
  Uh and it's just a reality, folks.
• 41:48
  Uh you know, I'm I'm not trying to um tell people not to have dreams about uh uh uh a world that where we have peace.
• 41:57
  And you've heard the president wants peace, but he knows you can't have peace with uh uh nations like Iran or the CCP uh leading the the this this process or the old system of oligarchs that really kind of destroyed Europe uh and where Europe is today.
• 42:00
  Can't have peace, but uh uh nations like Iran or just CCP uh leading the this this process or the old system of oligarchs that really kind of destroyed Europe and where Europe is today.
• 42:16
  Uh it's eating itself and sign out.
• 42:16
  Uh it's eating itself inside out.
• 42:19
  So there's gonna be a new reset, and this recess starts, but who controls energy?
• 42:19
  So there's gonna be a new reset, and this recess starts with who controls energy.
• 42:25
  Yep, there's a lot a lot of changes.
• 42:25
  Yep, there's a lot a lot of changes.
• 42:27
  And and one of the things is we can look at the pattern.
• 42:27
  And one of the things is we can look at the pattern, and a couple of different things is is one the pattern you saw with Ukraine, right?
• 42:35
  It's a mortgaged country that you know, the resources are being eaten up by other nations, and you know, nations are literally supporting both sides.
• 42:44
  Money goes to Moscow, missiles go to you know Ukraine, and from the same people in many cases.
• 42:50
  We could see that pattern again in the in the Bolshevik revolution, but and there's a a number of misconceptions about history, right?
• 42:56
  So we've already talked about Panama, right?
• 42:58
  We created that basically a lawyer that created that.
• 43:01
  Um, this this the nation of Panama for our canal, right?
• 43:06
  Britain formed up the Middle East in order to, you know, have the control of the canal and finances.
• 43:12
  So now we're thinking bigger, right?
• 43:13
  So the Bolshevik revolution, most people don't realize it was supported in large part by a number of uh large oligarchs within the United States, right?
• 43:22
  So you had folks like Thompson, massive, you know, Bank of Internet, uh, you had the a number of banks on board with it.
• 43:28
  And they contributed, uh, I believe it was a between one to 20 million dollars directly to the Bolsheviks at a time when they were like third or fourth in the revolutionary groups, right?
• 43:38
  There were other groups that were far larger, had far more control, far more people.
• 43:41
  But two things one is they gave them or three things.
• 43:44
  They gave them diplomatic um recognition, right?
• 43:47
  And then number two, they gave them a means that they could use the czarist goal that they captured to get it on the international banks and make foreign purchases.
• 43:54
  And then three, they were giving them funding.
• 43:57
  At the same time, in America, the open press was talking how bad Bolshevism was.
• 44:02
  We've got to watch out for the Red Scare.
• 44:04
  In fact, Thompson, when he went over there, he literally was supporting the Bolsheviks.
• 44:08
  He was propagandizing into Europe.
• 44:11
  So a lot of the German Bolshevik revolutions that occurred just at the end of World War I and afterward, like the Spartan Revolution in Berlin, the Bavarian communist revolution, the propaganda was coming from his offices, right?
• 44:23
  He was using U.S.
• 44:24
  lines to cede uh not just Germany, which was an enemy in World War I, you know, to be honest.
• 44:30
  Um, so that's why Germany was, you know, send uh Lenin up to Moscow.
• 44:33
  They wanted to collapse, you know, the government of their enemy that was not negotiating for peace.
• 44:38
  But at the same time, Thomson on the U.S.
• 44:41
  was also ceding that very same propaganda into France.
• 44:44
  It said promoting communism in France, who was an ally.
• 44:47
  That's where U.S.
• 44:47
  troops were.
• 44:48
  And so, you know, he's playing both sides.
• 44:50
  He would come back home to America, and he was he would set up anti-communist groups, and they would feed the New York Times, for example, with you know, pronouncements that the US is next, we're gonna get invaded by the Bolsheviks.
• 45:00
  It's coming, it's gonna happen.
• 45:01
  I think it was like in 1920.
• 45:03
  He was, you know, literally, this is coming.
• 45:05
  And but he's he's feeding it, right?
• 45:07
  So in other words, he's playing both sides, and that's you'll see that as a pattern.
• 45:11
  Is there's not there's one side like we see in Ukraine, the same group that will pay Moscow for the oil is going to pay you know the he was going to send missiles over to Ukraine and have the Ukraine buy it with oil that's then donated from you know the United States or from European nations.
• 45:24
  So it's just it's a huge money um I hate to use the word laundering, but it's kind of like a money laundering campaign that goes on there.
• 45:30
  And we've seen it, right?
• 45:31
  It's just it is what it is.
• 45:32
  Organizational structure dictates outcome, and it's gonna operate the way that it's been built over almost a century, over a century, really.
• 45:38
  So the Bolshevik Revolution is one thing.
• 45:40
  They'll play both sides, don't think because it's a large um, you know, a Wall Street firm or anything like that that it's inherently for free market for laissez-faire capitalism or even capitalism.
• 45:49
  They like government control, and they recognize this early that they needed to take control of certain government mechanisms to A, maintain their profit and to try to hold on to monopolies, right?
• 45:58
  Because if I can make a profit and the government insures my profit, I I can just go the golf course.
• 46:02
  I don't have to work hard, right?
• 46:03
  So it's it's human nature, it's the structure, right?
• 46:06
  It is what it is.
• 46:07
  And so we go through the Bolshevik Revolution, but World War I, let's talk about that real quick.
• 46:11
  World War I, the the initial group that kind of pushed that for about 15 years, was there was a larger British oligarch group, CISA Rhodes, Alfred Milner, Lord Earl Grey, Lord Acton, all those.
• 46:22
  There was a huge group in there that actually worked that.
• 46:24
  Um big network, but but essentially it was Cecil Rhodes got the ball rolling with a heck of a lot of money, and he understood organizational structure to a certain sense, a guy named Alfred Milner, who you probably never heard of, but you should, is the the organizational structure mastermind.
• 46:39
  He was able to kind of leverage everything.
• 46:41
  Uh he knew where power nodes were.
• 46:43
  You don't have to buy the times of London.
• 46:45
  I just need to buy a couple of editors, right?
• 46:47
  And some reporters, and that's it, right?
• 46:49
  I don't need the whole thing.
• 46:50
  I just need certain people in key positions to be able to move things forward.
• 46:54
  And long before Epstein had Prince uh Andrew out there, uh, they had a young prince who later became king of England, and they had him in France at brothels.
• 47:03
  In fact, it's the Edward House.
• 47:05
  You know, and they had they had goods on him.
• 47:07
  This is an old story, nothing new under the sun.
• 47:10
  But World War I was essentially the British wanted to knock out an economic competitor, and that was Imperial Germany, because Imperial Germany had managed to number one had more resources available within its own borders.
• 47:21
  Not everything, but they had a lot more than Britain had within its island, and they were able to outproduce them, especially on ships.
• 47:28
  So the the contain the cargo traffic of the day, the the British were losing big to uh actually it was Albert Ballin and uh Hamburg American shipping lines, and who is a Jew.
• 47:39
  He was and he was really good at his job.
• 47:41
  He's like the uh kind of the uh the Jeff Bezos, you know, Elon Musk of Imperial Germany.
• 47:46
  He had the German American shipping line and you know, bazillions of dollars and his shipyards were able to outproduce uh in both quality and beginning to outproduce in quantity, the British.
• 47:57
  And they said Germany must die, right?
• 47:58
  Like Rome looked at Carthage and goes, Carthage must die.
• 48:01
  And the plan was, of course, as everyone knows now, you know, to get Russia and France, and they were gonna pencer in to go to Berlin, squish it's gonna be over by Christmas.
• 48:09
  It didn't work that way.
• 48:10
  Number one, in 1910, 1909, the British tried hard to get Germany to go to war.
• 48:14
  You know, Kaiser Wilhelm, despite his pomp and circumstance and all the the military uniforms and the parades he did, he actually didn't want to go to war a lot, and he avoided war.
• 48:21
  Um and his generals kind of bit him.
• 48:23
  He lost a lot of domestic political power uh in face because he refused to take the British bait and go to war in Tunisia and you know, France and Tunisia.
• 48:31
  But 1914 will fast forward.
• 48:34
  Now that took a lot longer, and as you said, the war debts from that weren't paid off until 2020, because what happened was is it wasn't over by Christmas.
• 48:43
  The plan that Britain had didn't quite work out because the Russian side collapsed because Germany brought in the long story, but Germany brought in basically from retirement, you know, Hindenburg brought him out.
• 48:53
  And, you know, this this old guy that, you know, it's crotchety old guy was like, yeah, okay.
• 48:57
  And you know, the miracle of Mazarin Lakes and Tannenberg, and very quickly the Russian invasion of 10 armies got reversed, and the Germans are chasing them through Warsaw.
• 49:00
  And very quickly the Russian invasion of 10 armies got reversed, and the Germans are chasing them through Warsaw.
• 49:06
  Um, and that's oh, just a side note for the history buffs out there.
• 49:06
  And that's just a side note for the history buffs out there.
• 49:09
  That's one of the reasons that in World War II, Germany thought they could go against Russia.
• 49:09
  That's one of the reasons that in World War II, Germany thought they could go against Russia.
• 49:12
  Everybody's like, oh, no, you know, it never works.
• 49:12
  Everybody's like, oh, you know, it never works.
• 49:14
  No, they beat Russia in World War I.
• 49:14
  No, they beat Russia in World War I.
• 49:16
  They got him to sign a peace treaty at Brest Litovsk.
• 49:16
  They got them to sign a peace treaty at Brest Litovsk.
• 49:19
  And then they had the Reds attacked Germany again at the Kerensky campaign after they had signed the peace treaty.
• 49:19
  And then they had the Reds attacked Germany again at the Kerensky campaign after they had signed the peace treaty, and then Moscow almost fell.
• 49:24
  And then Moscow almost fell.
• 49:26
  I mean, the Germans were just wiping them out handily.
• 49:26
  I mean, the Germans were just wiping them out handily.
• 49:28
  And so to the German.
• 49:28
  And so to the German mind, the East was the easy one.
• 49:32
  France was the hard one.
• 49:33
  So when they beat France in World War II very easy, they're like, oh, well, Russia would be super easy now.
• 49:37
  And it wasn't.
• 49:38
  So that's that's one of those myths that you can't beat Russia.
• 49:40
  No, Germany did World War I.
• 49:42
  And Britain was hard pressed.
• 49:43
  They're like, what do we do now?
• 49:44
  And so they had to take out loans because it lasted a lot longer.
• 49:47
  And the U.S., even though we're frenemies, we're friends, but you know, we're going to take advantage of it.
• 49:52
  We did take those loans.
• 49:53
  We did the, we did a lot of lend lease that continued into World War II.
• 49:56
  Britain continued to give us properties and loans and transfer assets into the U.S.
• 50:00
  banks in order for we have to keep them uh funded with equipment and the warloads.
• 50:05
  So that went on.
• 50:06
  But what happened at the end of World War I?
• 50:07
  This is the important part.
• 50:08
  Number one, at the end of World War I, things that were already planned.
• 50:11
  Remember that lawyer I talked about, uh Cromwell.
• 50:15
  So his name was William Nelson Cromwell of Cromwell and Sullivan Law Firm.
• 50:19
  His clients were Rockefeller and JP Morgan.
• 50:22
  He could walk right into the White House of Taft of Roosevelt, just whenever he wanted to.
• 50:26
  And he was the guy that created the country of Panama to give his guys a little more profit.
• 50:31
  He had two guys working for him.
• 50:33
  And both of those, their last name were Dulles, John Foster and Alan Dulles in World War One, right?
• 50:40
  And their uncle was a guy named Lansing, Secretary of State, Lansing.
• 50:44
  So we got a lawyer that writes the international laws that can literally create a nation that sets up front companies for Rockefeller to hide everything so anti-monopoly doesn't touch his clients who could walk into a president and basically get a country made.
• 50:55
  And two of the guys on his staff end up coming after World War II to be CIA and State Department.
• 51:01
  Because you know, Lansing and their uncle just happens to be Lansing.
• 51:04
  So everything that was going on in the shaping of the world after World War I was toward maximizing that profit and control lines.
• 51:12
  Okay, Germany's gone.
• 51:13
  We're getting all the tech from Germany.
• 51:14
  That didn't start with Operation Paperclip.
• 51:16
  It was put on warp speed with Operation Paperclip.
• 51:18
  But between World War I and two, we, as part of reparations, were getting technology transfers.
• 51:23
  And we were getting those in the United States in lieu of payment.
• 51:26
  We were also setting through the Bank of International Settlements.
• 51:29
  We had had the Fed had just started in 1911.
• 51:31
  Remember that?
• 51:31
  We have the Federal Reserve, the private bank that gives loans to the government that then has to tax the American people to pay those loans off.
• 51:38
  Well, now we have a national one.
• 51:39
  So we have the Bank of International Settlements in Bern, Switzerland, and it has all of the feds of other nations in it.
• 51:46
  And it says, okay, here's here's the international, the global banking.
• 51:50
  At the same time, we set up League of Nations.
• 51:52
  Now, Wilson stroked out, he really wasn't in the um wasn't a charge anyway.
• 51:57
  House was managing him.
• 51:58
  Wilson had a stroke uh as he was promoting, you know, doing his tour, one of many strokes he had, but this was the final one, the big one.
• 52:04
  And it incapacitated him.
• 52:05
  So he was unable to push through to get the Congress to vote to get us in the League of Nations.
• 52:09
  Nevertheless, we were still involved in setting economic policy in Germany, post-war Germany and World War I, and that was the Young Plan and the Dawes Plan, the economic plans, right?
• 52:18
  Which look a lot like the New Deal over here in America, right?
• 52:20
  We're kind of testing it on Germany for nationalization of assets, right?
• 52:24
  Same story.
• 52:25
  And then the new deal comes, and guess who?
• 52:26
  Woodrow, or excuse me, uh Franklin Delado Roosevelt, who had been Secretary of the Navy in World War I, who had worked on economic wartime policy, economic policies.
• 52:34
  And oh, by the way, he sat on 20 Wall Street boards, right?
• 52:38
  I think 20 or 22 uh boardrooms.
• 52:40
  So he's there.
• 52:41
  They come into World War II, and by economically, pretty much we set the economic policy in Germany.
• 52:46
  Five of the six giant corporations of Germany are American-owned, uh, or large part American controlled or owned.
• 52:52
  Uh, in fact, one of them had a CEO was American, and they were the ones kind of setting the policy and setting that roadmap.
• 52:57
  At the end of that war, as you know, long road to World War II, we needed something more.
• 53:01
  So at the end of World War II, which we had planned, as you know, against Japan since 1907, trained on it since 1923, every single year, big plan.
• 53:09
  Finally, that war comes in.
• 53:10
  The United States gets dominance in the Pacific.
• 53:12
  We own the shipping lanes.
• 53:13
  If you're going to ship around the world, the United States is going to guarantee that shipment, right?
• 53:17
  Now, what comes at the end of World War II?
• 53:19
  The United Nations, which strengthens the League of Nations.
• 53:22
  Now the U.S.
• 53:22
  is in it.
• 53:23
  We have a Security Council.
• 53:24
  We have more of a voice.
• 53:25
  Initially, we had China, which was our ally, right?
• 53:27
  Chiang Kai shek's China, but oops, suddenly Mao takes over.
• 53:30
  Uh-oh.
• 53:31
  All right.
• 53:32
  Little little tough there.
• 53:33
  Stalin gets a little bit of a backbone.
• 53:34
  He's like, yeah, I'm not going to follow what you guys are doing anymore.
• 53:36
  I know you gave me everything, but I think I'm going to run the roost now, right?
• 53:39
  So we now have some competition, right?
• 53:41
  So it's not quite there yet.
• 53:43
  So we have the United Nations, and then we have the World Bank, right?
• 53:46
  So we've now taken the BIS and we put it up a notch.
• 53:49
  So now we have the World Bank.
• 53:50
  We're giving loans.
• 53:51
  We're now, you know, getting more assets, more resources.
• 53:53
  This is that third phase.
• 53:54
  And so look for an evolution at the end of this thing of A stronger than the United Nations.
• 54:00
  Trump is going against the United Nations.
• 54:01
  He's like the UN's, you know, it's terrible.
• 54:02
  Look at these NGOs.
• 54:03
  They've been sending migrants up here with uh with the United Nation uh immigrant IOM.
• 54:08
  All of this stuff going on.
• 54:09
  I think the United Nations will be uh, and even main NATO perhaps.
• 54:13
  You're gonna see a new restructuring of a power structure, defense structure more global.
• 54:17
  It's gonna take in Asia a lot more.
• 54:19
  You look for Japan to have a bigger role in that, probably Australia.
• 54:22
  Um, look for that in a big way, and then look for a larger, most likely the cyber currency.
• 54:27
  You've already had a hundred, was it 110 nations have signed on to the crypto or the cyber currency now?
• 54:32
  Uh I think that's where we're going.
• 54:33
  But all you have to do is look at what happened after World War I, after World War II to see what may happen after this World War III, after this phase of the operations to see really where this is going and look at what's going to happen to the Iranian AI companies, because you got to get Iranian under there, right?
• 54:47
  Because Germany wasn't banking in the system.
• 54:48
  Japan wasn't banking in that in the global system, right?
• 54:51
  They were bucking the trends, so they had to be reorganized, right?
• 54:55
  They had to be brought to heel.
• 54:56
  That's what's going on, I think, with Iran.
• 54:58
  It's going to happen with China.
• 54:59
  It just depends on how much they're going to resist that transformative process, is how much war we're going to see.
• 55:04
  And will the system collapse because fertilizers aren't getting in the ground because of the phosphor shipments have been going down?
• 55:10
  Is the silicon chips going to keep going?
• 55:12
  Can we cover down on the helium shipments to keep silicon ships moving?
• 55:15
  You know, is China going to lash out and TSMC goes?
• 55:17
  So there's still a lot of unknowns.
• 55:19
  Nothing is ever but a good glide path.
• 55:20
  There's still a lot of chances for, you know, massive depopulation, you know, famines in some areas, huge human suffering, just like World War I and two.
• 55:28
  Um, but at the end of that, you know, there's no guarantees, but it looks like this is the trajectory that the United States will be looking at.
• 55:34
  So look at AI companies.
• 55:36
  There's like, I think eight or nine big ones in Iran.
• 55:39
  Are they going to do deals with, you know, ChatGPT and Stargate and those others over here?
• 55:44
  Are they going to get NVIDIA chips, go on the U.S.
• 55:46
  model of large servers, server farms as AI?
• 55:49
  Um, and then what's China gonna do?
• 55:50
  So look for look for what Trump does over there.
• 55:53
  Uh Al is always interesting and uh blessing.
• 55:56
  And I know that our audiences uh um uh enjoy it every time you come on the uh on the show, and I wanted to make sure we came in and close out everything from last uh week.
• 56:00
  Enjoy it every time you come on the uh on the show.
• 56:02
  And I wanted to make sure we came in and close out everything from last uh week.
• 56:06
  Uh and um I I recommend everybody to to go to the Near East and also uh Al, where else can they go to look at some of the historical documents?
• 56:06
  Uh and um uh I I recommend everybody to to go to the Near East and also uh Al, where else can they go to look at some of the historical documents?
• 56:17
  Uh right now, actually, our substack is doing pretty good.
• 56:17
  Uh right now, actually our Substack is doing pretty good.
• 56:19
  So if you go on Substack at histor History DA.
• 56:19
  So if you go in Substack at history history da.org or history DA on substack, that's our main kind of driver for just the historical investigations.
• 56:25
  That's our main kind of driver for just the historical investigations.
• 56:29
  Mike appreciates.
• 56:29
  Much appreciate it.
• 56:30
  Okay, folks, God bless you all.
• 56:32
  I'm gonna thank uh um uh Al for joining us.
• 56:35
  Uh and I want to thank you all.
• 56:37
  Uh thanks for joining us on this mission.
• 56:39
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• 56:46
  I'm your host, Lieutenant Colonel Sorgis Singh, U.S.
• 56:48
  Army Retired CEO of the Near East Center for Strategic Engagement.
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  And we will talk to you next week.
• 56:53
  God bless.