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Kevin Hart is the victim! Girlfriend chops up boyfriend? Should Florida ban O.J.? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two, Kevin Hart is
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Speaker 1: revealing that he was caught on video in an embarrassing
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Speaker 1: situation with a woman not his wife, and that he
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Speaker 1: was targeted in an extortion flock. I made a bad
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Speaker 1: airring judgment and put myself in environment my only bad
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Speaker 1: things can happen, and they did. Part posted this admission
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Speaker 1: on Instagram and apologized to his wife and two kids.
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Speaker 1: I know that I'm going to hurt the people closest
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Speaker 1: to me, who I've talked to and apologized to be
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Speaker 1: my wife and my kids. According to published reports, a
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Speaker 1: man thought to be hard was captured on camera getting
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Speaker 1: cozy with a woman in a nightclub as well as
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Speaker 1: a bedroom part then allegedly received a demand for ten
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Speaker 1: million dollars in return for keeping the sexually provocative video private.
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Speaker 1: He is hilarious, He is Hollywood gold. He is the
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Speaker 1: star of a ton of Bucks office hits, including Central Intelligence,
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Speaker 1: right along the Wedding Ringer, one of my personal favorites,
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Speaker 1: The Secret Life of Pets. About last night, I'm talking
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Speaker 1: about Kevin Hart. But right now he is not in
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Speaker 1: the headlines because he is hilarious or a movie star.
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Speaker 1: He is the target of an extortion plot all cause
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Speaker 1: he could not keep his pants zipped. Okay, that's the problem.
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Speaker 1: Now where I'm falling on this. I'm pretty sure as
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Speaker 1: we go into this is unfocused on the crime of extortion. Now,
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Speaker 1: if he cheated, that's between him and his heavily pregnant wife. Uh,
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Speaker 1: with whole moral judgment, because I certainly don't have a
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Speaker 1: leg to stand on. Straight out to Alexis, to Rez
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Speaker 1: Chuck Radar Online investigative reporter, Alexis, let's get right down
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Speaker 1: to it. What happened so we busted Kevin at Radar
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Speaker 1: in July with a woman who was not his wife.
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Speaker 1: He was in a car with her outside a club
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Speaker 1: in Miami at about five o'clock in the morning, from
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Speaker 1: about three to five o'clock in the morning. And what
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Speaker 1: what what did you say about three o'clock in the morning,
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Speaker 1: That's what time he was outside in a car. I'm sorry, Alexis,
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Speaker 1: I got carried away by a headline. Woman in extortion
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Speaker 1: video is a traveling stripper, because I sadly have dealt
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Speaker 1: with a lot of strippers in my lifetime, male and female,
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Speaker 1: and um, you know, trying to find witnesses in cases.
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Speaker 1: The first one I had was a crime victim and
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Speaker 1: she was assaulted and robbed while dressed like a cheerleader
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Speaker 1: in an alley. Okay, I learned right then that the
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Speaker 1: juries no a stripper. When they see a stripper, it
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Speaker 1: does not matter how you dress them up. In court,
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Speaker 1: and I actually had her tell the jury where she
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Speaker 1: went to Sunday school. They looked at me like, girl,
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Speaker 1: just don't don't. I'm like, okay, I'm sorry, go ahead.
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Speaker 1: So that didn't work. I just saw this headline. The
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Speaker 1: woman in the Kevin Hart extortion video and I'm getting
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Speaker 1: this from my buddies ever at TMZ. Traveling stripper what okay,
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Speaker 1: hold on back to you three a m. Well, it's
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Speaker 1: it's a career where you can go from places like
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Speaker 1: Vegas to Miami, Atlantic City and you can strip in
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Speaker 1: all that. You don't have to live in just one town.
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Speaker 1: You can make big bucks, take off your clothes and
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Speaker 1: lots of different places. Alexis, I don't even want to
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Speaker 1: know how you know about this, Okay, but that traveling
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Speaker 1: stripperhood aside, Did you say three a m. In the morning?
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Speaker 1: Because I used to tell juries all the time, nothing
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Speaker 1: good happens after midnight. You're out and about. After midnight,
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Speaker 1: something bad go happen. Okay, go ahead with the three
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Speaker 1: am thing again. So this actually is previous to this video.
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Speaker 1: This woman, the extortion video you're talking about. We published
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Speaker 1: photos on Radar online of Kevin and other women that
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Speaker 1: were not his wife three am in a outside a car.
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Speaker 1: He's actually sitting in the passenger seat with this woman
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Speaker 1: kind of getting busy, for lack of a better word,
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Speaker 1: because we can't quite sexus. They were just friends. They
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Speaker 1: were they were looking at mat quest. Okay, three to
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Speaker 1: five o'clock in the car. He didn't know that y'all
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Speaker 1: were sneaking around trying to say it wasn't even really
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Speaker 1: that sneaky. It's just right next to the car. It's
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Speaker 1: it's not a limo with blacked out windows. It's a
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Speaker 1: car that you can see right into. So that's the
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Speaker 1: first time he gets busted. This that was July. Did
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Speaker 1: it hit the headlines? Did he hit the headlines immediately? Oh?
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Speaker 1: Lord help us? What about the why she? When? Is
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Speaker 1: she going to give birth any day? Now that she
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Speaker 1: announced it in May? So we're expecting maybe anything you have.
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Speaker 1: Celebrities don't tell you exactly what their due dates are. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because they don't want writer online hanging outside their window
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Speaker 1: by their ankles on a y are trying to get
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Speaker 1: a picture on the inside of the hospital. Okay, so
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Speaker 1: no offense, go ahead, we need details. Well, then he
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Speaker 1: gets caught in another video with a different woman and
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Speaker 1: he's like lying on top of her. This is after
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Speaker 1: he's already sort of kind of not really apologized. He
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Speaker 1: just says, you know, I get in bad situation, I
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Speaker 1: put myself in bad situations, but nothing happened. Now he's
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Speaker 1: totally caught another video with him lying on top of
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Speaker 1: this woman. And in fact, there's another video reportedly of
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Speaker 1: a naked man. There are two people having sex, there's
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Speaker 1: a naked man getting dright, and alex Is, can you
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Speaker 1: slow down please, I've only had one cup of tea
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Speaker 1: so far. Now hold on, I get too excited. Who
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Speaker 1: is the naked man Kevin Hart? Allegedly? How do you know? Well,
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Speaker 1: what part of his anatomy did you recognize? Alexis dress, Chuck,
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Speaker 1: it's that's the thing. I mean, we it's allegedly Kevin
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Speaker 1: Hart appears to be Kevin there. I guess he doesn't
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Speaker 1: have as many distinctive things as you would hope he
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Speaker 1: would have. I'm not helping you out. I'm not. I'm not.
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Speaker 1: I'm not pulling you out of this one. Okay. Now,
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Speaker 1: so you're saying the video, do you think that I
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Speaker 1: don't know this yet, that it's Kevin Hart naked in
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Speaker 1: the video? Is this a second video? This is the
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Speaker 1: first video, second cheating instance in a matter of weeks
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Speaker 1: with a pregnant wife at home. Not how many videos
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Speaker 1: are we talking about? One video? Okay? Is this by
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Speaker 1: the traveling stripper with the traveling stripper. Okay, um, you
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Speaker 1: know I just got taught something new traveling stripper now
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Speaker 1: and alexis stress Chuck can I d haven't heart without
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Speaker 1: his clothes on? Now? So we've got one video and
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Speaker 1: three cheating incidents. One video to cheating incidents alleged. All okay,
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Speaker 1: so now enter the extortion plot. Well, hold on just
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Speaker 1: a moment. Dr Bethany Marshall, psycho analyst, joining me out
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Speaker 1: of l A. Dr Bethany, you know, once you're caught,
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Speaker 1: I think that that should teach you a lesson, you know,
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Speaker 1: But but then you keep doing it. Well, I see
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Speaker 1: this all the time. In my Beverly Hills office. I
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Speaker 1: treat wives of pro athletes and um often their husbands
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Speaker 1: their situations where the husband's cheat for years and the
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Speaker 1: wives seemingly deny it, and the husbands always seem to
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Speaker 1: confess on Twitter and Instagram. Why doesn't experience the other way? Okay,
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Speaker 1: So they cheat and then they confess on Instagrams. They
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Speaker 1: some ey's gonna get slapped, Okay, Nancy, I hadn't experienced
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Speaker 1: the other day where I'm treating the wife of a
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Speaker 1: pro athlete. I'm walking into my office, there's a news
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Speaker 1: alert that pops up on Google alerts that my patient's
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Speaker 1: husband has a side chick. The it's it's like at
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Speaker 1: the top of my my news feed. I sit there
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Speaker 1: with the wife. I show her the article and she
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Speaker 1: sits there and denies it. And it's in print, it
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Speaker 1: is black and white, you know these One of the
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Speaker 1: rationalizations is he's been framed, or that was a long
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Speaker 1: time ago. I already knew about that one. Or everybody
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Speaker 1: targets my husband or I mean, the rationalizations and excuses
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Speaker 1: just go on and on. Or the other thing they
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Speaker 1: do is they engage in Twitter wars to defend the husband.
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Speaker 1: So there's one wife. What she did was she she
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Speaker 1: kind of stalked the side chick on Instagram, and Twitter
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Speaker 1: found out all of her information, Shan, and then they
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Speaker 1: had this very public Twitter war with each other. And
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Speaker 1: so that the women are fighting amongst themselves and the
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Speaker 1: husband's completely off the hook. And you know, I see
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Speaker 1: I watched this Kevin hart Um so called confession on
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Speaker 1: Instagram and the first thing he says, Nancy is I
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Speaker 1: feel like I have a target on my back. Now
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Speaker 1: I can imagine that's true when you have that much
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Speaker 1: wealth and that much, that much fame, but the lead
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Speaker 1: should have been I'm sorry I hurt my wife. The
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Speaker 1: second thing he says is I've made some mistakes. I
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Speaker 1: put myself in bad situations. Yet straddling a woman's lap
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Speaker 1: inside of sedan at three in the morning, Yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: putting yourself in a bad situation. But the wink he
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Speaker 1: says it, he really minimizes it. If I hadn't seen
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Speaker 1: the video, I would have thought the bad situation was
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Speaker 1: he was, you know, at a nightclub at two in
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Speaker 1: the morning and and someone you know, some woman kissed
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Speaker 1: him against his will or something like that. But the
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Speaker 1: bad situation is straddling a woman's lap in a in
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Speaker 1: a sedan at three or four or five in the morning.
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Speaker 1: So he really minimizes his whole role in all of this.
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Speaker 1: We'll hold on just a moment. I'm looking at this
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Speaker 1: shot at at on TMZ. Yes, Alexis, I'm I'm heading
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Speaker 1: to write our online right now. Okay. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how the initials TMZ got entered into my iPad. I
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Speaker 1: don't know who did that, but um, I'm just seeing
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Speaker 1: this one picture, Alexis, and it's of Kevin Hart laughing
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Speaker 1: his head off, and he's with this woman in a
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Speaker 1: pink mid drift top and some blue jean shorts. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what they are. They look like blue jean underwear.
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Speaker 1: But and he's laughing his head off in the bed,
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Speaker 1: and I see. Look, the sex part, if that happened,
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Speaker 1: is bad, is bad enough. It's bad. It's horrible to cheat,
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Speaker 1: especially your wife is pregnant and needs you now more
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Speaker 1: than ever. But for some reason, the laughing part, the
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Speaker 1: laughing part, is what really would hurt me. And I
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Speaker 1: don't know why, because you think the actual intimacy part,
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Speaker 1: the sex part, would be the worst part, but something
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Speaker 1: about it, it's the laughing part. Hold on, Alexis you're
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Speaker 1: not a shrink. Dr Bethany. Why is the laughing part
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Speaker 1: bothering me so much? I would want to know more
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Speaker 1: about what that means to you. But to me it
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Speaker 1: seems like hard having a good time and they're sharing
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Speaker 1: their sharing happiness, not just you know, sex, you can
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Speaker 1: get that from prefer you know, well in some places
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Speaker 1: twenty five dollars. But what I'm saying is, um, the
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Speaker 1: laughing I mean one thing that has held my marriage together.
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Speaker 1: Dare I give any love advice is laughing. We laugh
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Speaker 1: so much. We're exhausted all the time, we working like
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Speaker 1: two dogs and trying to raise the twins. But we
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Speaker 1: laugh a lot. David and I really laugh and we
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Speaker 1: always have. And that would absolutely I could be like
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Speaker 1: the NFL or's wife and go, oh, she targeted him,
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Speaker 1: blah blah blah to myke myself feel better. But the
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Speaker 1: laughing and the having sharing, you know, a funny moment
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Speaker 1: or that that, that's what you know. The other part, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: he's a comedian and so he's giving the best part
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Speaker 1: of himself to her. That's my thought about the laughter. Two.
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Speaker 1: You know, he's he's really enjoying himself. It's not just
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Speaker 1: like you said with a hooker um satisfying and urge.
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Speaker 1: But laughter is also a form of intimacy. It's it's
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Speaker 1: true enjoyment. And his wife is pregnant. And I think
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Speaker 1: that in my practice, when women and men um talk
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Speaker 1: about having been cheated on, there's one thing that they
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Speaker 1: always say. They'll say, I was not in my husband's
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Speaker 1: mind at the moment that he did that. It's the
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Speaker 1: same phrase every time, and that I've never heard that
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Speaker 1: I was not. And men will say, I don't know
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Speaker 1: how you get through to somebody like that because don't
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Speaker 1: want the relationship to break up and they're trying to.
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Speaker 1: I haven't even gotten to the extortion part. Okay, now
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Speaker 1: I'm on Radar Online dot Com. I'm not cheating anymore.
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Speaker 1: Alexis with t m Z. Listen, why do you have
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Speaker 1: your first picture? Is Kevin Hart in a stand up? Okay?
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Speaker 1: I have to hit view gallery? Yes? Why why do
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Speaker 1: I have to hit you? Oh? Oh my goodness, now
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Speaker 1: I sleep? Why never mind? Okay, so wait a minute now, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I get it, Sam, I sort of not safe for work. Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: here is Here is a picture. I guess that's an
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Speaker 1: Alexis or of Infinity with him all over somebody in
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Speaker 1: a car. Okay, I thought you were saying it was
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Speaker 1: me and the like, No, it's not, that's not me.
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Speaker 1: Here's another picture of him in the car. Hold on,
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Speaker 1: here she is turning around looking at the camera. There
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Speaker 1: they are loving it up. Okay, wait a minute, I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to get to the traveling stripper with her Daisy
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Speaker 1: Dukes on. Okay, I don't see her, but he's Oh
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Speaker 1: my stars, he's laughing in the car. That's the other incident. Okay,
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Speaker 1: this is the July incident. Okay, Alexis, tell me about
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Speaker 1: they where I started. That was the only thing I
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Speaker 1: was interested in, according to me, was they quit laughing.
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Speaker 1: Jackie was the was the bribery, the blackmail. Tell me
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Speaker 1: about that. That's what I want to hear about. The extortion.
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Speaker 1: So this this woman, the traveling stripper film something a
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Speaker 1: video happened in this hotel room in Vegas. She is
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Speaker 1: saying she didn't take it. Dare's she and Kevin are
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Speaker 1: the only ones in the room. It's a little hard
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Speaker 1: to believe, but anyway, So she went to Kevin and said,
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Speaker 1: if you don't give me some money, I will release
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Speaker 1: this video. So thought about how much money are we
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Speaker 1: talking about? So she wanted millions of dollars and then
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Speaker 1: she offered to take a lie detector tests, saying that
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Speaker 1: nothing happened with them, but she wanted four dollars. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what that. I mean. Maybe that's a play
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Speaker 1: on marijuana, you know, but I don't know why that's
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Speaker 1: whatever she asked for. It just isoud. But he started
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Speaker 1: with She started with claims of wanting millions m h
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Speaker 1: and then said all right, Well, I'll take a lot
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Speaker 1: of Tuchi test saying nothing happen for here here's the deal.
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Speaker 1: He he did the right thing. He didn't give them
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Speaker 1: a look. He's already in deep enough with his wife.
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Speaker 1: He didn't pay the woman off. He went to the
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Speaker 1: FBI on the extortion plot. I know this is gonna
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Speaker 1: put a lot of people's teeth on edge, but he's
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Speaker 1: actually a victim. He is because look again, I don't
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Speaker 1: have a leg to stand on, because everybody's done something wrong,
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Speaker 1: maybe not cheat on your your wife or your husband
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Speaker 1: or maybe not that, but something right. And he did
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Speaker 1: something wrong. He did it more than once. But none
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Speaker 1: of us, I don't think on this panel have never
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Speaker 1: done anything wrong. And I can definitely say Alan Duke
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Speaker 1: has done plenty of things wrong. Okay, so sorry Alan,
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Speaker 1: but so I'm not saying it's okay, but what I'm
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Speaker 1: saying the cheating, but extortion is felony. So where does
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Speaker 1: it stand to Alan Duke? Alan is the traveling strip
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Speaker 1: or going to be charged with extortion as she should? Well,
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Speaker 1: this is an investigation, supposedly an investigation by the FBI,
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Speaker 1: and who knows if they'll be charged. What do they
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Speaker 1: find in the investigation. I don't know we'll find out.
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Speaker 1: So this is what we know right now. Kevin Hart
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Speaker 1: has apparently admitted to cheating on his pregnant wife, begging forgiveness,
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Speaker 1: and is now in the center of a potentially multimillion
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Speaker 1: dollar extortion plot. Um. I'm at a place in my
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Speaker 1: life where I feel like I have a target on
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Speaker 1: my back and because of that, I should make smart decisions,
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Speaker 1: and recently I didn't. Um, you know, I'm not perfect.
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stop here and say that I am
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Speaker 1: or or claim to be, in any way, shape or form.
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Speaker 1: And I made a bad error in judgment and put
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Speaker 1: myself in an environment where only bad things can happen,
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Speaker 1: and they did. And in doing that, I know that
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Speaker 1: I'm going to hurt the people closest to me who
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Speaker 1: I've talked to and apologized to, think my wife and
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Speaker 1: my kids. Um, and I just you know, it's a showman,
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Speaker 1: It's a moment when you when you know you're wrong
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Speaker 1: and there's no excuses for your wrong behavior. Um. At
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, man, I just simply got
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Speaker 1: to do better. But I'm not going to also allow
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Speaker 1: a person to to have financial gain off of my mistakes,
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Speaker 1: and in this particular situation, that's what was attempted. I said,
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Speaker 1: I'd rather fess up to my mistakes. Okay, let's see
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Speaker 1: how he gets out of this one. But I know
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Speaker 1: this much. That's between him and his wife. Extortion, that's
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Speaker 1: got my attention straight out to alexis terres Chuck. What
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Speaker 1: do we know about this woman? Sierra Sutton, thirty years old. Well,
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Speaker 1: what we know is that she apparently was dating Stephen Coleman.
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Speaker 1: They got in a fight in her apartment, he went
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Speaker 1: to sleep. Do you say dating? Did you say dating?
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Speaker 1: Why don't they just break up? There's not even a
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Speaker 1: divorce at at issue, They're just dating, Yeah, boyfriend, not
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Speaker 1: not even hausband. So he goes to sleep in her
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Speaker 1: apartment and she shoots him in the head in her
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Speaker 1: very own bed, with her ten year old daughter in
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Speaker 1: the living room sleeping on the sofa, which I cannot believe.
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Speaker 1: I guess kids are tired, and she slept through the
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Speaker 1: whole thing, But she slept through the mom shooting him
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Speaker 1: in the head. Well. Sierra then panics realizes she needs
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Speaker 1: to get rid of the body. Instead of calling the
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Speaker 1: police or doing anything, she decides to take a machette
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Speaker 1: and shop him up into little pieces so that she
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Speaker 1: can dump his body parts all over town, thinking that
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Speaker 1: she's not gonna get caught doing this, okay, just out
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Speaker 1: of curiosity, Where where can I get a machete? To
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, crime scene investigator and forensic professor Professor
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Speaker 1: Forensics at Jacksonville State University, Where can I get a machette?
20:20
Speaker 1: Just in case my husband talks back to me. I've
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Speaker 1: got one out in the shed if you needed hold on.
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Speaker 1: Jackie is holding up a big sign home depot. Exclamation, exclamation,
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Speaker 1: smiley face. I don't know where her head is, but
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Speaker 1: apparently you can get a machete at home depot, according
20:34
Speaker 1: to Jackie. So she happens to have a machete and
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Speaker 1: a sleeping boyfriend on the sofa. So I guess ergo,
20:43
Speaker 1: you gotta chop up his body. Dr Bethia Marshall cut
20:46
Speaker 1: us through a stake with a machette. She cut up
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Speaker 1: an entire body, and Alessa Alexa trust Chuck made a
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Speaker 1: comment about the fact that this ten year old was
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Speaker 1: asleep on the sofa. I doubt that. I think she
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Speaker 1: just when she started telling all of her friends about
20:59
Speaker 1: the grizzly crime, she said, oh, my daughter was asleep
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Speaker 1: on the sofa. But one of the things I learned
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Speaker 1: in reading about this crime is that she dismembered his
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Speaker 1: body over the course of a few days. So and
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Speaker 1: then when the police um came to investigate, there was
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Speaker 1: blood in the kitchen, there was blood in the bathroom,
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Speaker 1: there was this was a very bloody crime scene. So, um,
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Speaker 1: the daughter is going to be very traumatized. The daughter
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Speaker 1: witnessed a lot. And my second thought about this is
21:30
Speaker 1: that these women who killed their boyfriends and husbands, they
21:34
Speaker 1: usually have something called waterline personality disorder, which is marked
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Speaker 1: by like mood disregulation, impulsivity, and rage and boy, you know,
21:43
Speaker 1: they just have a hair trigger response. It was probably
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Speaker 1: something pretty benign. She lost it, she shot him, she panicked,
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Speaker 1: and then she stupidly had to try and decided to
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Speaker 1: dismember the body and dispose it all over town. Yeah,
21:58
Speaker 1: I'm reading the investigation reports. Investigators executed search want and
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Speaker 1: find blood on the bedroom floor, sheets, bathroom floor, sink,
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Speaker 1: and kitchen floor, according also to newspaper reports. Joining me
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Speaker 1: as I said Joe Scott Morgan way In, you're the
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Speaker 1: crime scene analyst, what do you make of this? You're
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Speaker 1: gonna have remarkably a remarkably evidence rich environment Nancy Um.
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Speaker 1: I worked in the Mork for many, many years, and
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Speaker 1: I can tell you that just doing a dissection with
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Speaker 1: the appropriate tools is very, very difficult and a very
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Speaker 1: messy process. You're talking about a woman who's essentially, even
22:37
Speaker 1: though you're saying machette, this is uh not a precision instrument,
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Speaker 1: and it would have taken a tremendous amount of time.
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Speaker 1: And what I have found in the dismemberment cases that
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Speaker 1: I've worked over the years is the fact that many
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Speaker 1: people do panic because they have uh, they have this
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Speaker 1: bulk of tissue that they're gonna have to separate it out,
22:55
Speaker 1: and they don't have the skill set in order to
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Speaker 1: do it, and so it becomes a very messy affair.
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Speaker 1: At that point in tom you're gonna have blood sprayed
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Speaker 1: all over the place. It'll be dripped all over the place.
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Speaker 1: And in addition to that, she's leaving behind marks of
23:08
Speaker 1: individualization is what we refer to in forensic science. This
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Speaker 1: instrument that she used will have a distinctive mark that
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Speaker 1: can be compared on the bone that has found. And
23:18
Speaker 1: then you have all these distribution patterns where she's been
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Speaker 1: placing these remains all over the place of the place.
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Speaker 1: Apparently it's it's a it's a huge undertaking for somebody
23:27
Speaker 1: that's unskilled about it. Well, apparently, after the death and
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Speaker 1: dismemberment of her boyfriend, she took off from Texas and
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Speaker 1: heads to Louisiana, to Matari, where I happen to have friends.
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Speaker 1: Watch out everybody in Louisiana. She's there. Now, what do
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Speaker 1: we know about what happened to the ten year old? What?
23:47
Speaker 1: What do we know about that Alexis? We don't know
23:50
Speaker 1: at all what happened about to her daughter. But what
23:53
Speaker 1: we do know is after she killed her boyfriend, she
23:56
Speaker 1: was in contact with his family, kind of asking them
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Speaker 1: here they thought he was. Have you guys seen him?
24:02
Speaker 1: I'm worried about him. I haven't heard from him. And
24:04
Speaker 1: then the whole time she's using his credit cards, running
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Speaker 1: up his bills, pretending like she doesn't know where he is.
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Speaker 1: And then she calls the police to report him missing,
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Speaker 1: as if she didn't know that he was lying down
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Speaker 1: in her bed and she chopped him up into pieces.
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Speaker 1: Oh uh, there goes the crazy defense. Uh to Alan,
24:19
Speaker 1: do you join me me? You know you're a newlywed again,
24:23
Speaker 1: but you're a newly weed Alan, do you always I'm sorry,
24:31
Speaker 1: so you see what happens? Okay, So do not give
24:34
Speaker 1: the new Mrs Alan Duke any talk back, because now
24:41
Speaker 1: she knows she can't thank you Jackie, she can get
24:43
Speaker 1: him as Jetty at home depot. I asked Jackie how
24:46
Speaker 1: she knows that she wrote I have one. Okay, I'm
24:49
Speaker 1: not going to ask that follow up question. So Alan,
24:52
Speaker 1: what do we know? This is totally ruined her crazy
24:55
Speaker 1: defense because she used his credit card and faked phone
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Speaker 1: calls to his family. According to a lettres Chuck with
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Speaker 1: Radar online dot Com, going where is here? And what
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Speaker 1: she told friends also is rather incriminating. But this is
25:09
Speaker 1: the thing that strikes me. We just recently did a
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Speaker 1: series of shows on Crystal McDowell, the missing Texas reltor
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Speaker 1: found murdered allegedly by her husband. This was right down
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Speaker 1: the street in Baytown, Texas, the same small Texas town.
25:22
Speaker 1: When you say she said incriminating statements, she made statements
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Speaker 1: to friends, What if anything did she say? Well, according
25:30
Speaker 1: to the things I've seen, she told them that she
25:33
Speaker 1: did this, that there were friends that she confided in,
25:36
Speaker 1: and that's really not something she can defend against. Very
25:41
Speaker 1: easily well. When Sierra Sutton was finally located in Jefferson Parish, Louisiana,
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Speaker 1: cops say she seemed quote unphased by the investigation into
25:51
Speaker 1: her boyfriend's death. And I'm quoting uncaring, no remorse. That's
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Speaker 1: the best way I could describe her, says Baytown Police
25:59
Speaker 1: lieutenants Steve Doris. Take a listen to what Steve Dorris,
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Speaker 1: the lieutenant, had to say. Just that afternoon on August eighteenth,
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Speaker 1: Bytown Police Department, again investigating the disappearance of thirty two
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Speaker 1: year old Stephen Coleman, Mr. Corman, was last seen on
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Speaker 1: August sixteenth by his girlfriend, thirty year old Sierra Sutton,
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Speaker 1: who had made a missing person report on August eighteenth.
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Speaker 1: And the following days, the Baytown detectives learned that none
26:25
Speaker 1: of Stephen's family, friends, or co workers had seen or
26:27
Speaker 1: heard from him since the night of the sixteenth. Detectors
26:31
Speaker 1: also learned that both of Stephen's vehicles were still parked
26:33
Speaker 1: at the apartment complex that he lived at in the
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Speaker 1: seventeen hundred block of James Bluey, which caused concern for
26:38
Speaker 1: his welfare. During the course of our investigation, detected his
26:41
Speaker 1: uncovered evidence and information that led us to believe that Mr.
26:43
Speaker 1: Coleman had been the victim of foul play at the
26:46
Speaker 1: hands of Sierra Sutton, including the fact that Sierra had
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Speaker 1: confided to multiple people in Louisiana that she had in
26:51
Speaker 1: fact shot and killed Stephen inside their apartment, dismembered his body,
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Speaker 1: and disposed of his remains. On September fourteenth, we presented
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Speaker 1: the facts and of evidence uncovered in the course of
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Speaker 1: our investigation to the Harris County District Attorney's office, and
27:04
Speaker 1: they accepted a charge of murder on Sierra Sutton. Later
27:07
Speaker 1: that same evening, Baytown detectives, who are already in Louisiana,
27:10
Speaker 1: following up on leeds, along with Louisiana authorities and U. S.
27:13
Speaker 1: Marshall's office, located Sierra Sutton at an apartment complex in Madie, Louisiana,
27:18
Speaker 1: where she was arrested without incident. The evidence uncovered during
27:21
Speaker 1: this investigation, along with the timeline of the events, is
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Speaker 1: consistent with the unidentified remains that were found in a
27:27
Speaker 1: landfill in Chambers County on August twenty two. These facts
27:30
Speaker 1: have led our detectives to suspect those remains could be
27:32
Speaker 1: those of Stephen Coleman. However, this has not been confirmed
27:36
Speaker 1: through DNA at this point. We have submitted DNA from
27:40
Speaker 1: the remains in Chambers County along with other DNA for
27:44
Speaker 1: comparison to determine if those remains are in fact those
27:47
Speaker 1: of Stephen Coleman. That is my prepared statement as far
27:49
Speaker 1: as where we are with our investigation, it is obviously
27:52
Speaker 1: still an ongoing investigation, so please keep in mind, I'm
27:55
Speaker 1: gonna answer a few questions. There are gonna be certain
27:58
Speaker 1: details that I'm not gonna be able to answer simply
28:01
Speaker 1: because it is an ongoing investigation. Okay, do you think
28:03
Speaker 1: it's possible some of her neighbors were thinking is based
28:06
Speaker 1: on her that she may have had told any indication
28:09
Speaker 1: that Speaking of whether she may have had an accountlice,
28:12
Speaker 1: we don't know that she necessarily had an accomplice. We
28:14
Speaker 1: did have some information that there may have been some
28:16
Speaker 1: other people in the area or at the apartment during
28:19
Speaker 1: this time frame, but whether or not they took part
28:21
Speaker 1: in anything, we just don't know that where issue right now.
28:25
Speaker 1: Miss Sutton is currently in jail in the Jefferson Parish, Louisiana.
28:29
Speaker 1: A wedding extradition back to Texas. She said anything to
28:31
Speaker 1: investigators who talked to her. We did have a chance
28:34
Speaker 1: to interview Miss Sutton over the past few days. Obviously,
28:38
Speaker 1: you know that. I think there was one report that
28:39
Speaker 1: she had confessed to everything that had happened, which was
28:42
Speaker 1: not completely accurate. She gave some information that did put
28:45
Speaker 1: her in the apartment at the time of the event.
28:48
Speaker 1: But beyond that, I only don't want to go into
28:49
Speaker 1: detail about what she said in her interview. Uncaring, no remorse,
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Speaker 1: That's the best way I can describe it. I'd I
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Speaker 1: don't know what a motive would be right now. I
29:01
Speaker 1: don't want to speak to that. UM. We do know
29:04
Speaker 1: that that her and Stephen we're in a relationship. Uh.
29:08
Speaker 1: As far as a motive as to why she would
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Speaker 1: do this, we just don't know. Rso was found, have
29:13
Speaker 1: any other debudy parts or found. Man't think that more
29:16
Speaker 1: christ will be out correct The torso was found um
29:20
Speaker 1: out in Chambers County and a landfill that was in
29:23
Speaker 1: August twenty two. Is it possible that there are other
29:26
Speaker 1: remains of that landfill? Sure it is. Uh. Those are
29:29
Speaker 1: those are things that my detectives are following up on
29:31
Speaker 1: right now as we speak, as you can imagine, it's
29:34
Speaker 1: a landfill. Um. And keep in mind all of this
29:36
Speaker 1: happened back in the middle of August when he came
29:38
Speaker 1: up missing. Well, we've had a major events since then,
29:41
Speaker 1: a Hurricane Harvey, which kind of put us back a
29:45
Speaker 1: few weeks on our investigation. Unfortunately, during the course of
29:48
Speaker 1: that few weeks, more and more debris and garbage has
29:51
Speaker 1: been brought to that landfill, so make it significantly harder
29:54
Speaker 1: to find anything. Now here's my next question to Alexis
29:56
Speaker 1: terres Chuck, investigative reporter with Radar online dot Com. What
30:00
Speaker 1: does she do with his body parts? Oh my gosh,
30:03
Speaker 1: she dumped them all over town. She dumped them in
30:06
Speaker 1: different places, but she dumped his torso. It was found
30:10
Speaker 1: in a landfill. So she really hacked this guy to
30:13
Speaker 1: pieces because she wasn't able to carry his whole body
30:16
Speaker 1: at once, so she put it in different trash bags
30:19
Speaker 1: and put them in different dumpsters all around town, and
30:22
Speaker 1: investigators found a lot of it, including the torso, and
30:25
Speaker 1: they were able to identify him. There were different dumpsters,
30:29
Speaker 1: several dumpsters used in her apartment complex. But you're telling me,
30:33
Speaker 1: Alexis she actually dumped his other remains in various spots
30:37
Speaker 1: around town. Now, isn't it true? Uh? What do you
30:42
Speaker 1: make of this? Joe Scott Morgan, crime scene investigator, she
30:45
Speaker 1: herself called to make a missing person's report. That's pretty
30:49
Speaker 1: pretty bold, right. Yeah. It sounds like she's trying to
30:51
Speaker 1: build an aliba for herself. And another piece of this
30:54
Speaker 1: is that she has spread this area of distribution out,
30:57
Speaker 1: which goes to a higher level of thinking. Uh. You know,
31:01
Speaker 1: over the course of this idea that she's uh, that
31:03
Speaker 1: she's panicked. At least she had her wits about her
31:06
Speaker 1: enough to individually package these remains and then distribute them
31:09
Speaker 1: all over the area. Emil Torso was found in the
31:13
Speaker 1: Chambers County landfill that receives trash from dumpsters throughout Baytown
31:17
Speaker 1: in Pasadena we're talking about in Texas. Before the Torso
31:23
Speaker 1: was found, we know that Sutton stay with the Common
31:27
Speaker 1: family as they looked for their loved one, Dr Bethany.
31:33
Speaker 1: She stayed with his family as they were looking for him. Nancy.
31:39
Speaker 1: This is such a common story, isn't it. Uh. We
31:41
Speaker 1: see this with Scott Peterson, we see it with all
31:44
Speaker 1: of these um homicidal individuals who dispose of their husband, wife,
31:50
Speaker 1: girlfriend killed them, dispose of them. They always search with
31:54
Speaker 1: the family. It's so fascinating to me, and it's it's
31:57
Speaker 1: as if they're trying to prove to the family that
32:00
Speaker 1: they are not the perpetrator. They try to feign or
32:03
Speaker 1: Malinger empathy and and that they're as distraught as the
32:07
Speaker 1: family member, and it's it's really bizarre. Reminds me of
32:11
Speaker 1: I have a friend who works with a sexual abuse victims,
32:14
Speaker 1: and she had this startling experience where the father of
32:18
Speaker 1: one of the sexual abuse victims would occasionally come to
32:22
Speaker 1: therapy with his daughter, crying and crying about how the
32:26
Speaker 1: the daughter had been abused by a third party. And
32:29
Speaker 1: then uh that the daughter finally confessed to the therapist,
32:33
Speaker 1: to my colleague, that her father was molesting her as well.
32:36
Speaker 1: So he was trying to gain sympathy from the therapist
32:40
Speaker 1: at the same time that he was molesting his daughter.
32:43
Speaker 1: And that's a little random, that story, I know, But
32:46
Speaker 1: I think of the psychology of these perpetrators who align
32:49
Speaker 1: themselves with the family when in fact they're the one
32:52
Speaker 1: that committed the homicide. They're the one that committed the crime,
32:55
Speaker 1: and they don't think they're going to be caught. And
32:57
Speaker 1: I think that matter of the credit card to Nancy,
33:00
Speaker 1: I was wondering, was she just trying to buy things
33:03
Speaker 1: for herself, thinking that that nobody would discover, or was
33:07
Speaker 1: she trying to um cover her tracks and create credit
33:13
Speaker 1: card activity to maintain the illusion that he was still alive.
33:17
Speaker 1: I was sort of curious about that piece of it. Well,
33:20
Speaker 1: I know this, I know his the victim. Coleman's credit
33:24
Speaker 1: cards were used at a Harris County Walmart, according to investigators,
33:28
Speaker 1: and that she is caught on surveillance by duct tape
33:33
Speaker 1: and a mattress pad with his credit card. Okay, that's
33:39
Speaker 1: what we know right now. And in my mind, you
33:42
Speaker 1: do this is the death penalty case, and you've got
33:45
Speaker 1: your ten year old daughter in the next room. You're
33:50
Speaker 1: going straight to hell with a tiny, tiny pit stop
33:53
Speaker 1: on death road. That's what we know right now. Will
33:58
Speaker 1: it never end? Even as I say those words, I
34:02
Speaker 1: can tell you right now the answer is no, It
34:05
Speaker 1: will never end With O. J. Simpson. Why won't he
34:10
Speaker 1: go quietly into the night. Oh yes, there is another uproar,
34:15
Speaker 1: as if the double murder, the beating the women, the
34:20
Speaker 1: stealing at gunpoint, the armed robbery, the fantastical not guilty,
34:26
Speaker 1: the sci fi parole hearing. Yeah, there's something new. I mean,
34:31
Speaker 1: you see, Grace, this is crime stories. Thank you for
34:34
Speaker 1: being with us. I can barely fix my mouth to
34:37
Speaker 1: say this. I'm gonna go out to Ed Lozy l
34:41
Speaker 1: a publicist to the stars. I know I'm in trouble ed.
34:45
Speaker 1: No offense and none taken. I'm sure when I say
34:49
Speaker 1: L a publicist, when I start a sentence with L
34:52
Speaker 1: a publicist, I know somebody has done done something wrong, okay,
34:56
Speaker 1: and they're famous. So Ed, what's this all about? A
35:00
Speaker 1: titian to the Florida Governor about O J. Simpson? What
35:04
Speaker 1: is it? And can I sign it? What is it? Okay?
35:06
Speaker 1: It's this is a petition to the governor of Florida,
35:11
Speaker 1: Governor Rick Scott, who has the power to keep O J. Out.
35:16
Speaker 1: The only reason we want him to delay at least
35:19
Speaker 1: sixty days or until the infrastructure of Florida is back.
35:23
Speaker 1: They don't even have power and water yet. What what
35:26
Speaker 1: do you think O. J. Simpson will use more than
35:28
Speaker 1: his fair share of path They want to have a
35:30
Speaker 1: thousand media cameras. I guess he probably will over overburn
35:34
Speaker 1: the nine one one system. I can tell you that
35:36
Speaker 1: because he'll you know, no telling who's going to be
35:38
Speaker 1: calling nine one one next on Simpson. But what's the
35:41
Speaker 1: problem was I want him to go there because I
35:43
Speaker 1: I sure don't want him to come here. I don't
35:45
Speaker 1: want him walking across my backyard. So tell me the
35:48
Speaker 1: reason they can't go to Florida. Somewhere far far, maybe
35:51
Speaker 1: down hiding in the in the Everglades, down in the
35:55
Speaker 1: Tell me again about this, this petition to Florida Governor
35:58
Speaker 1: Rick Scott to stop Simpson from coming to Florida. Repeat, yes,
36:02
Speaker 1: it's Governor Rick Scott has the power to keep o
36:05
Speaker 1: J out for until he gets the state back in order.
36:09
Speaker 1: There's thousands of people without power, without water, without food.
36:12
Speaker 1: What the hell do they need one thousand camera crews
36:15
Speaker 1: showing up. The airport's being clogged up, hotels and people,
36:18
Speaker 1: and not to mention the wacky fans of o J
36:21
Speaker 1: that are already on their way. Okay, he's getting out
36:23
Speaker 1: in just two weeks or less than two weeks. Why
36:26
Speaker 1: does flower to need that? Well? I thought that this
36:29
Speaker 1: is going to be something like you don't want him there?
36:33
Speaker 1: Because he might kill more people or arm rob somebody.
36:36
Speaker 1: You just don't want him using your power in your water.
36:39
Speaker 1: Is that it? Because that's not gonna work. You gotta
36:41
Speaker 1: have something better than that. It's it's it's the point
36:44
Speaker 1: of it was a good point. It was brought up
36:46
Speaker 1: by Detective James Penbroke, who wrote this book. Just all
36:49
Speaker 1: started with our book promotion and he called me up
36:52
Speaker 1: and said, I've got relatives. You mean the authors of
36:55
Speaker 1: O J. Hold on plugging your book, buddy, O J.
36:58
Speaker 1: The Killer, the minute by minute account of the murders
37:01
Speaker 1: of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman. Right, we all have
37:04
Speaker 1: relatives in Florida. Okay, we all have friends in Florida
37:08
Speaker 1: and they're hurting. And you know, this was just just
37:12
Speaker 1: hopefully when he said to me, you know, we need
37:14
Speaker 1: to petition the governor. He can keep o J out
37:17
Speaker 1: and if he's not going to be released, he can
37:19
Speaker 1: only go to Florida. The parole Board agree to that,
37:22
Speaker 1: can only go to Florida. If he's he's not allowed
37:25
Speaker 1: in that means he has to stay in jail. Bingo,
37:28
Speaker 1: that's what we want. So if it's sixty days, all
37:31
Speaker 1: we're asking for Okay, say that's a brilliant strategy. That's
37:35
Speaker 1: a brilliant strategy with me is Ed Losey, l a
37:38
Speaker 1: publicist to the stars, Dr Bethany Marshall's psycho analyst joining
37:41
Speaker 1: me out of l A Alexis Urez, Chuck Radar online
37:45
Speaker 1: investigative reporter, and of course Alan the Duke Duke joining us.
37:50
Speaker 1: So let let me understand this. I did not realize.
37:52
Speaker 1: I've never thought it through, but I guess, knowing the law,
37:56
Speaker 1: the Constitution, I should have figured it out. A governor.
37:59
Speaker 1: You're telling me a governor has the power to keep
38:02
Speaker 1: somebody out if they're felon. The reason I guess I've
38:05
Speaker 1: never thought about it this way is because the Constitution
38:08
Speaker 1: not as written by the founding fathers. Okay not they
38:12
Speaker 1: didn't write this, but it has been interpreted to mean
38:14
Speaker 1: that interstate travel may not be burdened. In other words,
38:20
Speaker 1: I can travel from New York to New Jersey to
38:23
Speaker 1: any of the fifty states with no checkpoint Charlie's, no taxes,
38:30
Speaker 1: no barricades, no crossing borders, but without going death come
38:34
Speaker 1: forward into constitutional law. You are telling me that you're
38:39
Speaker 1: convinced Ed Losey publicists to the stars that aside from
38:43
Speaker 1: that constitutional provision, a governor can in fact disallow or
38:49
Speaker 1: prevent a convicted felon from coming into their state. Is
38:52
Speaker 1: that true? Because that's true, Why don't we just why
38:55
Speaker 1: don't we just disallow all convicted felons coming into our
38:58
Speaker 1: state them You can't keep him out forever because the
39:01
Speaker 1: arrangements were made and he agreed to allowing O. J.
39:05
Speaker 1: Simpson to come there. Well, we're asking him is to
39:08
Speaker 1: use his power to keep him out until Florida gets
39:12
Speaker 1: their act together. And they do not have it together.
39:14
Speaker 1: They are really hurting and they're about to get hit
39:16
Speaker 1: with another storm in eight days, big one. And it's
39:20
Speaker 1: why do we need a thousand camera cras shown up
39:22
Speaker 1: there and taking the spotlight off the victims of the
39:25
Speaker 1: storms and all about him, about O J? All these people,
39:29
Speaker 1: and the news is going to be botched with nothing
39:31
Speaker 1: but him in Florida playing off with his buddies. Now,
39:34
Speaker 1: we want him to stay in, you know, in Nevada
39:38
Speaker 1: until California, until so Florida gets their act together. It's
39:42
Speaker 1: just common sense. And I want to pause because we're
39:45
Speaker 1: just rattling off facts about Simpson, right, now Florida and
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Speaker 1: so many other places are hurting so badly. If you
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Speaker 1: go to our Crime Online website, you'll see a way
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Speaker 1: if you want to donate, to donate through the Red
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Speaker 1: Cross or through um Court United Methodist Campaign of Relief,
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Speaker 1: where one of your donation goes to actually helping people.
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Speaker 1: I know I have done relief after Katrina for the
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Speaker 1: Methodist Church, So that's why I allowed that to be
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Speaker 1: on our website at crime online dot com. But and
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Speaker 1: I just had to say that because what's happening in
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Speaker 1: Florida and and elsewhere is not just a headline. People
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Speaker 1: are hurting there. I want to go to Alexis Torres
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Speaker 1: Chuck Radar Online investigative reporter. It's been said that Simpson
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Speaker 1: is itching for retirement life after getting out of jail,
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Speaker 1: which you know, to me means, um, you go to
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Speaker 1: a book club and you go to cost Co around
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Speaker 1: three o'clock to taste all the tastings. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how I know about that. You go for walks in
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Speaker 1: those special shoes, and I guess he would play golf.
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Speaker 1: So do you really believe that's what's going to happen? Alexis?
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Speaker 1: What do we know about Simpson's life post jail in Florida.
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Speaker 1: What will it be? I think it will be exactly
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Speaker 1: what it was before the Nevada prison. Stant O j
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Speaker 1: loves the attention and he has his entire life. He
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Speaker 1: was a star, like from high school on when he
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Speaker 1: became a football star. He is not going to stay
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Speaker 1: away from the spot like he can't physically. Oh, I
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Speaker 1: thought you meant partying with a bunch of Nicole Brown
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Speaker 1: lookalalives with mini skirts up to their fannies. Um and
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Speaker 1: the alleged use of highly fueled cocaine parties allegations only
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Speaker 1: I mean, I thought that's what you were talking about. No,
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Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm talking about. He because that's all
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Speaker 1: he knows, and that's what he's gonna do. He's gonna
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Speaker 1: go back to finding another young girlfriend and like the
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Speaker 1: ones that he had after Nicole, they're going to call
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Speaker 1: nine one one because things are going to turn ugly.
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Speaker 1: You know. He had the audacity to say during that
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Speaker 1: parole hearing that he doesn't lead a criminal life, that
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Speaker 1: that's exactly what he's led. And I think that he's
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Speaker 1: not going to change. He seems so unaware of everything
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Speaker 1: that he done wrong at that pearl hearing that, I
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Speaker 1: think that he's just gonna get right back out and
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Speaker 1: do everything again. To Dr Bethany Marshall, Psychoana's joining me
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Speaker 1: out of l A there with Ed Losey l A
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Speaker 1: Pulis is to the stars. Dr bethany Way, and I
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Speaker 1: know that you are jumping at the big go ahead.
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Speaker 1: I am I cannot help but look at this through
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Speaker 1: a mental health lens, from a mental health perspective. And
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Speaker 1: we all know that O. J. Simpson fits the profile
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Speaker 1: of the sociopath. That's quite obvious. But one of the
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Speaker 1: little known facts about sociopathy is that they have internal deadness.
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Speaker 1: They have a proneness to boredom. That's what you see
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Speaker 1: in the literature. And because there's this proneness to boredom,
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Speaker 1: they have an excessive need for stimulation. So what does
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Speaker 1: that look like with somebody like O. J. Simpson. It's
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Speaker 1: it's what you've referred to. It's seeking the limelight, attention,
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Speaker 1: getting behavior, partying it up um drug toys of stimulants,
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Speaker 1: probably not pot or something that would be a downer.
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Speaker 1: Um carrying on in the limelight and in front of
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Speaker 1: the camera. Now I'm not sure if that's really going
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Speaker 1: to tax the system? What what the problem is with
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Speaker 1: cameras at the airport? You know, I'm not clear on
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Speaker 1: that aspect of it, but I do know that he
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Speaker 1: that Alexis dress Chuck is right. He's going to continue
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Speaker 1: to do what he did before, and it's going to
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Speaker 1: be excessive parting. That's all it's going to be. I
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Speaker 1: also think about this from a social psychology perspective, and
43:31
Speaker 1: it seems to me that there's not only a fascination
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Speaker 1: um of O. J. Simpson, but kind of a mass
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Speaker 1: hysteria about him coming into the state. Look, Florida is
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Speaker 1: full of felons. It's like all the crimes we've covered
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Speaker 1: over the years, most of them of them are in Florida.
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Speaker 1: A part of me thinks, you know, what's the problem
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Speaker 1: with one more felon? They seem to be equipped to
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Speaker 1: handle that there, so um, it seems to me to
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Speaker 1: be the best place you should be. Can I tell
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Speaker 1: you a lazy Dr Bethany Alexis Alan. Some of my
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Speaker 1: favorite books that I've ever read Karl Hyacin and he
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Speaker 1: and he writes about Florida, and you know, it's it's
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Speaker 1: it is hilarious. Because people from all over the world
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Speaker 1: go to Florida and then Florida has to deal with them,
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Speaker 1: just like they're gonna have to deal with o J.
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Speaker 1: Of all the places in the world to go there,
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Speaker 1: he's going to be you know, I'll probably see him
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Speaker 1: when I try to get on the Disney ship with
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Speaker 1: the twins. Um So long story short, Alan Duke, what
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Speaker 1: is the reality about what, if anything Florida can do
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Speaker 1: about it? Well, you know, the governor may very well
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Speaker 1: be able to ban a convict from the state. But specifically,
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Speaker 1: I do know that o J is depending on the
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Speaker 1: Florida Board of Paroles the parole officers there to monitor him.
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Speaker 1: Nevada has a reciprocal agreement with the state of Florida
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Speaker 1: that they will monitor him and make sure he meets
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Speaker 1: his parole obligations. If Florida chooses not to do that,
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Speaker 1: then o J may not be a to go there
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Speaker 1: because he's got to have a parole officer. But I
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Speaker 1: find it very difficult to believe that a state can
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Speaker 1: refuse two take on the parole or probation duties from
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Speaker 1: another state because we're kind of all in this together. Remember,
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Speaker 1: we are one nation. It's one nation. I've never heard
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Speaker 1: of this. Role and probation are state by state systems.
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Speaker 1: If you're in let's say Florida, and you want to
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Speaker 1: come to California and you are on probation or parole,
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Speaker 1: you have to get California to degree to take your case. Well,
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Speaker 1: I've never in all of my years heard of anyone
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Speaker 1: refusing it. When this is hello, Hello, Hello Dr Bethany
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Speaker 1: and Alexis and I refuse to be interrupted. Okay, we
45:48
Speaker 1: will not have men talking over us. Now. If anybody's
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Speaker 1: going to be a bully, it's gonna be the ladies. Okay.
45:55
Speaker 1: I I notice an unusual silence. Je acky, I've never
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Speaker 1: heard Alan do silent before. I better let me take
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Speaker 1: advantage of it really quickly. Alan, what I'm saying isn't
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Speaker 1: all the years I prosecuted, I never had a state
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Speaker 1: when a defendant had to move for his family or
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Speaker 1: a job or something. I've never heard of a state saying, oh,
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Speaker 1: heck no, we're not gonna take his parole here, forget it.
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Speaker 1: I've never heard of that. I cannot name any examples,
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Speaker 1: but I know that that is the case that they
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Speaker 1: have to accept it if they don't have a reciprocal
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Speaker 1: agreement with a state, then you can't go to that statement.
46:29
Speaker 1: Back to Ed, Lozzy, tell me again, and how do
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Speaker 1: you think this is gonna work? Is there really a
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Speaker 1: chance that Florida can keep O. J. Simpson out? Hey,
46:36
Speaker 1: you forgot to say publicists of stars, but that's okay,
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Speaker 1: But that's publicist to the stars, Publicists to the stars.
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Speaker 1: Six law firms here in our business, so we do
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Speaker 1: a lot of legal pr So I'm work with a
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Speaker 1: lot of hyper publicists to the stars and law firms.
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Speaker 1: The criminal case, I was there, I went through this.
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Speaker 1: This guy has been intermixing with my life since I
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Speaker 1: know what he is. He's more than the social path.
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Speaker 1: He's responsible for murder according to the civil trial. I'm
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Speaker 1: only concerned about the citizens of Florida. And that's what
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Speaker 1: this petition is about. It's not about a thousand camera
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Speaker 1: crews showing up in the airquorking jam and all that.
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Speaker 1: That's that's not what it is. It's about the news
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Speaker 1: being taken away from what's needed in Florida. It's about
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Speaker 1: the six o'clock news hours and the eleven o'clock news
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Speaker 1: hours talking about Red Cross and who needs what and
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Speaker 1: pictures of people in pain and suffering, which generates care
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Speaker 1: and money. When o J takes over, there's not gonna
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Speaker 1: be any of that. It's gonna be a takeover of
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Speaker 1: every move he makes, everywhere he goes, right right in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the storm. Well, I've got I want
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Speaker 1: to reassure you. Add I want to reassure you that,
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Speaker 1: according to Simpson, he'll never be bad again. So add
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Speaker 1: Losy l a publicist to the Stars and twenty six
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Speaker 1: law firms. What do we do if we want to
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Speaker 1: sign the petition? Are you just go to the site
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Speaker 1: www dot f l g o V which is Florida
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Speaker 1: gov dot com, and then contact and the governor's name
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Speaker 1: w w W Florida gov dot com and just jacked
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Speaker 1: in governor and you'll you'll get his office and his
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Speaker 1: contact information, phone number and email. Publicists to the Stars,
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Speaker 1: Ed Losey, Justice, Scott Morgan, death investigator, Professor of Forensics
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Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State University. Dr Bethany Marshall, Psychoanalysts out of
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Speaker 1: l A an investigative reporter with Radar Online dot com.
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Speaker 1: Alexis to Rez Chuck, thank you, Nancy Grace climb Stories
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,