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American Vs. African bow hunting (HUGE DIFFERENCE!) · The Bow Disciples Podcast

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  This is exciting. All right.
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  Well, how far should we hold these bad boys?
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  Do you think about? You know?
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  Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.
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  Probably like not. Here I look so I love holding
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  the mic. To me it's like it's aesthetic.
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  Just chilling. I feel like I'm about to drip a
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  rap battle in Detroit. I love it, so here we are.
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  Well, if you're going to do that, you might as well just
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  drop all your floors like Eight Mile does.
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  Yeah, yeah, you, you lead with. Conrad wind properly.
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  Exactly. Yeah, yeah, bro, Us and Wind is
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  crazy, but boat Disciples podcast, but minus we're down
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  one host. No, Brianna tonight.
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  Brianna, maybe next year, maybe not, maybe if you come next
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  year. Next.
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  Year she will be. Yeah.
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  So it is currently right now windy, little bit of clouds, but
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  we've had quite a day. We got out hunting early day,
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  got out hunting early. What did we, what do we get into
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  kind of break it down a little bit?
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  This morning, yeah, we had a slower start because we're out
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  too late on a safari last night. I think we got out like 6:30
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  this morning. Thank you very much.
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  At least twist cap. Yeah, those are.
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  And when you say, when you say safari, I just want to set the
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  stage for a viewer. You mean like it was like a real
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  actual safari, not a hunting safari?
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  No, not a hunting safari. Like lions haunted, a
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  wildebeest, giraffe, Buffalo, like a drive through some wild,
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  wild pots, which is pretty epic. And then see how we got him like
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  midnight. So we had to sleep in a bit.
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  We knew we wanted to go off to Zebra this morning, which is
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  pretty epic, and found them in a spot we've never found them
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  before, which is what we're actually asking for the whole
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  time. And it just didn't work out and
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  didn't work out. Three hours of stalking and then
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  when we said, right, we're going to give them some breathing
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  room, otherwise we're going to just blow it completely.
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  That just happened to be an exact same spot as afternoon one
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  when you landed in South Africa or landed in Elands River
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  Safaris. And I think we both knew like we
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  were, it was actually a bit more of a redemption mission.
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  It was like a get in the exact same spot.
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  They stringed up just twice on that first evening.
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  But we could learn from my mistakes since they are
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  repeating, you know, behavior. And we got it done.
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  Yeah, yeah, no, it was an awesome day.
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  Just, you know, it was one of those stocks that I love where
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  you're making adjustments and kind of letting plays develop.
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  And, and then part of the benefit of of hunting multiple
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  days is that you get to observe animals.
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  And we had seen them walk that route four days prior.
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  They didn't do it any of the days in between, but we knew
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  that, you know, OK, they're trending that way.
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  Then we saw him like at one of the checkpoints.
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  It's like, all right, it looks like they're going right to that
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  day one spot. And we were able to kind of
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  hustle, get there a little quick and get the shot.
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  It still was a bit far, but we were able to get it close to
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  where 80 yards. Yeah, which so we got closer and
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  we're able to make a good shot and, you know, it's been a, it's
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  been a fun trip. You know, obviously one of the
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  interesting parts is how we met. You know what I mean?
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  Like I think, well, I'll kind of introduce you for people who
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  don't know this is outdoors with Travis.
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  He's got a crazy life story, but it's been a hunter for five
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  years, bow hunter for five years and really dove in to it.
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  And obviously the experience you gain living where you do, you
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  can learn a lot more in five years than a lot of other places
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  where it's like there's less access to hunting, especially
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  year round. So you started YouTube.
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  When was that two years? Yeah, just over 2 years ago, I
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  think we were like 2 years, four months.
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  Just over 2 years and why don't you tell the story of kind of
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  how you and I got connected for the first time and like when
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  that was kind of set a timeline? Timeline was probably like 2
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  years ago, very early on in the channel, one of the videos, I
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  was like 4 or five videos deep in quite a few shorts and kind
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  of stuff like that. And you are like one of the
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  first big dogs in the industry to like message me like a
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  comment of encouragement, like keep going, this is some good
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  stuff. You're on the right track kind
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  of vibes. And then since then, I've just
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  been following your stuff and we've every couple of months
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  drop some words of inspiration and it's snowboard from there.
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  Yeah, so. And I think that's such an
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  important story because I think that a lot of people once they
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  get to a certain size, kind of, I don't want to say like act
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  holier than thou, but. They cut off from the order.
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  They try to cut themselves off almost, and I really try to do
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  the opposite and talk to people who are just getting started.
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  Or maybe I've been going a long time and just haven't really
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  seen any growth. Like that's really important to
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  me because I've been there before.
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  And just one YouTube comment that I'd never intended to get
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  anything from you as a person, you know?
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  What I mean? I just wanted to support you,
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  somebody who I saw doing a good job and two years later here we
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  are in South Africa hunting together because you saw say
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  this guy can fit an opportunity well.
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  And I just think there's a lot to just being a genuine person
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  and like wanting others to win. I think sometimes people get so
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  caught up in like, Oh well if they win then I can't win.
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  And to me it's like, bro, there is so much room for multiple
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  people to win. 100%. It's a big endless.
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  It's endless. It's endless.
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  So especially in the YouTube game, like, yeah, an audience
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  can be hooked to five, 6-7 different Youtubers.
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  That's not because someone succeeding that you're not.
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  Yeah, it's such a weird, like it's like a famine mentality.
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  Yeah. But I, I think it's really cool
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  that we linked up and it's just so crazy how it happened because
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  like you said, we weren't, we talked about it on this trip,
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  but I'm not the type who's like a pen pal and just texting
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  someone all day. Like I don't do that.
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  And you probably don't really either.
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  So it wasn't like we talked all the time.
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  It was like here and there, maybe a story reply or
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  something, but it was always we don't.
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  Even talk that much setting up this trip until like the week
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  before. Literally like hardly at all
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  dude. We wouldn't talk for like 3
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  weeks but. So what was that like as far as
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  once we had the trip, you know, like scheduled, locked in, What,
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  what were you thinking coming into it?
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  Having knowing I was flying out here, knowing we were going to
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  be spending a week in the Bush shoulder to shoulder, you
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  hunting with a camera, me hunting with a bow.
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  We've never met. Like what?
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  What was your kind of mindset? Oh number one, I was hoping you
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  weren't a Dick. Unfortunately, I think I found
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  it was a. Long week dude.
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  It has been a long week. I don't blame you, especially
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  hunting with me dude. I'm so I'm so like locked in
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  but. I think we both so passionate
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  and like we said when we're going after the zebra, before we
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  even got the zebra, it was like 3 hours and like 2 hunters,
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  super passionate. We're not arguing, we're
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  debating for the best result. And I think not many people
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  would have the success we've had in 4-5 days on foot that we have
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  because we've been able to, you know, debated art, come to a
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  really good conclusion, set up a plan and attack.
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  Yeah, or set up a plan and sit our asses for three hours and
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  let it play out so I wouldn't say at all it ever got heated
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  Yeah no I arguing, but we're. I love our vibe.
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  It's it's intense. Definitely just never on the
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  same page about wind. That's the funniest thing, like
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  right now, if I were to ask. You, you're a great hearted.
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  Beast, if I were to ask you right now, you'd be like the
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  wind blowing that way, and I would.
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  Be like you're out of. Coming from like.
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  But no, I want to backtrack and I, I do want to get to hunting,
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  like, you know, hunting together and dive into that.
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  But I, I want to know like, what was your mind thinking like when
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  we're, let's say, you know, a flight was purchased, so let's
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  say a month out, like what was, what was your preparation as far
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  as like camera gear? Were you nervous?
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  Were you excited? Were you because like, I'll tell
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  you, for me, this is the trip that's made me the most anxious
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  and I travel all the time. Like I'd fly all the time.
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  It was a. Far.
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  Trip well, it's I've never been it's people I don't know a
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  single person here other than in person and I told you I'm not
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  like I'm an honest guy. I did vet everything like I've
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  found contacts, I've vetted everything because you have to
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  if you're coming so far and people vouched and here we are.
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  But so, but my thought process was I have so many trips after
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  this, like for the next month and a half, two months.
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  This one I looked at as like, dude, I am so like nervous and
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  sort of anxious for some reason to do this huge journey a so
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  much unknown. But when I'm done with it, I'm
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  going to feel like I'm just like, like I'm chill, you know
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  what I mean? So that was kind of my approach,
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  obviously with excitement, you know what I mean?
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  Like if I could describe it. So what was yours kind of like?
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  What were you thinking? Not much stresses me out.
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  That's keen you were. Keen.
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  I was just, yeah, that's how weird.
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  I know. It's how weird.
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  I know and I love it. I.
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  Was keen. I had all the camera gear.
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  I didn't have to get anything else.
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  I didn't have to prepare anything.
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  I had to get the guys ready because obviously we got a lot
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  of renovations at Elance River Safari that are like first June
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  Go Live and making sure that they're ready to cater for you
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  and that kind of stuff. But other than that, dude, we
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  just needed to get you and start hunting.
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  There wasn't much to it. Yeah.
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  And see, that's dope. Yeah.
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  And I, I wouldn't say like I was nervous.
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  I was just more so like, this was a big trip.
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  It was a first timer. First time yeah and and and it's
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  always tougher when you don't know even a even you don't know
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  anyone who's even been to where you're going like you know what
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  I mean? Like directly where you're
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  going. It's just like a lot.
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  But dude, when I get back from this, like we got Oklahoma Total
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  Archery Challenge or literally a week after I get back, we fly
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  out and I'm like, bro, that's going to be such like just a
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  vacation for me, bro, Like I can't.
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  Wait, it's going to be so mellow, you know?
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  Compared to this. Compared to this just because
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  like I know what it is like. It's predictable for you.
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  Yeah, like flying to Oklahoma is like, I know what like Oklahoma
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  going to be but but yeah. So let's let's dive into, you
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  know, so we, we show up the first day, we get here around
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  noon and then we actually put in a pretty, pretty like we get
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  straight out in the Bush. We really don't think around.
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  We get out there, we have an action-packed day.
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  We don't end up getting anything.
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  But what was your first thoughts of like just hunting together,
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  like how our hunting styles blended?
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  Like what did you kind of what were you feeling after the first
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  day? So that's actually so cool
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  because you've brought one of my worries that I, I was so worried
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  that you were like a YouTube hunter, like someone that wanted
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  it to look hardcore and film, but like in reality it was like
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  right there and it was chilled and it wasn't even running away.
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  And like we had to add music and everything to dramatize it.
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  So I really like to see like you're super patient.
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  You're willing to sit for like 4 hours behind the Bush and that
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  the animals make the next move and like just some real hunting
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  and, and that was pretty cool for me to see.
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  That's that's what I noticed right out the gates is that you
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  are willing to sit for hours instead of like trying to force
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  a play, which is quite cool. For sure, yeah.
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  And that first day was sure a lot of fun.
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  But tell me about the. We learned a lot of lessons on
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  that first day. Oh yeah, very quickly.
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  It was it was a lot of fun, you know, like it's so unusual for a
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  guy like me who's only ever haunted 90 almost only ever
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  public land on drawn tags or over the counter tags.
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  And I've haunted like private locally a little bit.
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  But these are like, you know, the animals are still like
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  they're on public and private. They just like move in and out,
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  you know, But it's just so much different.
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  The amount of like you put it best dude, it's it's really
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  rapid fire stalking. You fail, don't stress about it.
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  Go over the next mountain. There's another species, another
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  herd, another fail. Go over the next mountain,
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  different species, different herd, and you just keep going.
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  And then you find the gems like we found that in y'all are the
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  one not like had no inclination to be going after in Y'all and
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  just 20 yards in front of us. Well, if you wanted to hunt when
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  you could shoot it, Yeah. So like, the opportunities are
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  just plentiful. Oh dude, it's.
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  You just don't stop. It's so much different, like
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  it's like hard to I think explain you much.
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  Like it was hard for you to explain to me what it was going
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  to be like hunting here, like how my mind couldn't process it.
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  Sort of. I think it's sort of the same
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  like me trying to explain it to like you and noven a little bit
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  like you know, I'm telling you like it's so much different.
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  Like you really might spend 2 weeks to find a buck to stock
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  and then blow it. Most likely you will blow it and
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  then not see one for another week.
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  Like, dude, it's so much different, you know?
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  And and for guys coming from the States, dude, you cannot gain
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  more experience faster, hardly. 100%.
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  The only way I think there's a somewhat comparable thing in the
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  States would be like a a wild pig hunt because there's not
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  really limits on tags, but like there's, there's also like
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  sometimes it's really hard to find a pig.
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  So it's like, this is you can, like you said, find something.
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  Yeah, You know what I mean. You're almost, almost guaranteed
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  to find something. You don't know what it's going
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  to be, you don't know where it's going to be, and you don't even
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  know if it's approachable, but you're going to come across
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  something. Every, let's say, hour or so of
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  walking, you'll bump into your next talk that you could
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  potentially execute on. It's amazing.
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  Yeah. And I, and I would be curious to
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  like, I think myself and probably most people like me
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  always see videos or pictures of people hunting in Africa.
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  And it's always, almost always super flat and super dry.
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  People are watching this video right now.
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  And they can see it. There's huge mountains like this
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  looks like New Mexico, Elk country, you know what I mean?
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  So tell me about that. Like why?
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  Why does this area look like this?
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  And why are so many of the pictures that we see in the
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  flat, dry, dry stuff? Why is that?
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  Why? The biggest hunting community
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  with a lot of Outfitters would be up north of South Africa or
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  even our neighboring countries. And that is typically, I mean,
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  apart from the, you know, a little hill or Crest or
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  something like that, It is typically flat.
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  And then hunting season is in our autumn winter and then just
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  outside of spring, which means we have drier landscapes.
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  But yeah, we're way South on the coast, almost the tip of South
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  Africa down South. And so we got the coastal rains,
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  which is usually winters, but for the last couple of years
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  it's been raining summer, winter, autumn and spring
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  sporadically. So I mean, it should be really
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  dry right now. And it's absolutely beautiful.
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  And it's just rolling mountains. I mean, what we're on now is
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  some of the small stuff. What's behind us is the big
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  boys. Yeah, and, and, and that that's
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  more what I was really talking about too, is like the terrain
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  is just surprising. It's gorgeous.
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  You know, it's it's bigger, it's bigger and deeper than what I
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  was expecting. Like I was expecting to come out
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  here and be like, this is so much more mild than like most of
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  the stuff I hunt and some of the terrains actually quite similar.
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  Like it's. Some of those stalks caught us a
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  little bit to do. Like when we, when we.
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  Went on the that red hearted beast.
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  What a star. That was awesome.
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  Literally wrapped around an entire mountain, down in a
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  valley, through a river, back up another mountain just to get on
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  the right side of the wind. Yeah, I'm curious too for you,
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  what would you say, if anything? I think I know what you're going
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  to say and you kind of mentioned earlier, but if there's any
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  hunting skills or tactics that you like, you kind of saw me do
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  that you think you're going to implement in your own hunting,
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  like what would that be? And then I'm going to give you,
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  I'm going to give you one from for.
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  Vice versa, yeah, You know, straight up it's patience, just
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  patience. And like we said, either it's
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  just natural instincts for people to make decisions quickly
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  and move quickly. I think it's got to do with a
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  bit more my background and you know, fast decisions and
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  executing them was like life or death.
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  But but just checking how the animals react to us being
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  patient and seen at first hand has sold me on the strategy
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  completely completely. I mean, we had a bliss buck walk
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  in within 6 yards like right into us today just because we
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  sat in the Bush. And I don't think I, I honestly
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  said I think we're only going to get three of the five animals
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  this trip because it's so tough. And just using your patience
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  strategy has actually 4 animals in four days.
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  Yeah, we're ahead of schedule for sure.
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  And we we got some really and. It's not because it's.
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  Easy. No, no, no, no.
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  Good hunting. Dude, I'm telling you like I,
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  I'm telling you, I have done a ton of spot and stock hunting on
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  very, very difficult animals to do it.
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  And this is tough. Like it's not easy.
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  I would sit here and tell you if it was easy.
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  It's not easy. You know what I mean?
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  Like it's not. So that's been awesome.
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  And as far as me answering, you care about visual a lot more
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  than I do and I think that's something I'm going to start
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  just paying a little more attention.
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  Is it like the production side? No.
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  No, no, I mean like you care about animals seeing you more
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  than I are. And I'll tell you what.
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  Bothers me. I'll tell you, there's a couple
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  of clips there was like, fuck. He's looking it up, so I'll tell
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  you why. I'll tell you exactly why when
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  an animal would look at us, he would go duck.
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  And I'm like, well, if I duck now, he's looking right at us
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  and he's going to scare him. So let's just stand here, you
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  know, that's my mentality and it all because I'll tell you the
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  truth. Let's take every animal's a
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  little different, but let's take my bread and butter.
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  Mule deer. What?
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  I think I'm best at life at hunting, right?
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  I think that they're there's their protective systems and the
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  thing that makes them so brutal to hunt is they have excellent
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  all of them, vision, hearing, set scent, top of the mountain,
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  all of them, right. But I always rank it like this
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  wind number one, most important by far in a mule deer.
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  Second is going to be sound, 3rd is sight, and it's not because
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  they can't see you, but if you hold still long enough,
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  sometimes they'll just kind of forget about it almost.
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  And then. But if you blow either of the
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  other two, if you snap on twig at 70, they're gone.
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  If they smell you 100% they're gone from hundreds of yards.
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  So for me, I've always thought that remaining still is more
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  important than like trying to constantly stay behind every
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  single Bush. But I'm intrigued by that.
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  And I think we saw some good results with that.
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  So I think moving forward, I'm going to put a little bit more
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  emphasis on on cover, just a little bit.
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  And it's not like I totally neglected.
• 19:13
  No, I'm not saying that. But you almost put cover 1st and
• 19:17
  then sent and then hearing. No, no, look, I think sent is
• 19:20
  windows it it bothers me with the winds to my back and I know
• 19:25
  the animals down wind. Oh, of course wind is #1 Yep.
• 19:28
  But I'm always trying to come up with like a brush that's
• 19:32
  breaking my heart line or I would never just like pop up and
• 19:35
  drop down. Yep, mostly like stuff like
• 19:38
  Impala. They'll just lock eyes on you
• 19:40
  and then they'll have a staring contest for.
• 19:41
  Ages. Ages, yeah, and.
• 19:43
  Because it's such a long, They all have what you call
• 19:45
  centuries. So all the other Impala would
• 19:48
  start chilling, and you'd think you've won.
• 19:49
  But there's one out of 30 that still has its head up waiting
• 19:52
  for you to move. And if that one puts its head
• 19:54
  down, the next one will go up into, like, a protective mode to
• 19:57
  watch the head. And so I've just learned, like,
• 19:59
  get behind something so that it can break you a bit.
• 20:03
  I wear that little ghillie that covers, like, my outline, but I
• 20:06
  love obstruction. Yeah.
• 20:08
  But. Then in saying that, you also
• 20:10
  taught me that like if you always focus on obstruction,
• 20:14
  you're jeopardizing your shooting windows.
• 20:17
  Oh dude. So like, yeah, just a, yeah,
• 20:20
  even today, everything we did, we used obstruction.
• 20:22
  Yep. But always keeping to the left
• 20:24
  or right of that object always. So we can, Whereas I would
• 20:28
  normally just get behind it and then try and come around it when
• 20:31
  it's right when. It's right.
• 20:32
  And the reason I hate that is because if you're behind
• 20:35
  something and you go, OK, I'm dead behind it, and then say you
• 20:38
  stand there because you know me. Like I'll stand there for two
• 20:40
  hours and then all of a sudden, OK, the animal's right in front
• 20:43
  of me at 40 yards. Now you have to move though.
• 20:46
  So like if you're just to the side, you can, just as he's
• 20:49
  walking around, draw. So that's what I love though.
• 20:52
  Hunting with the whole trip is being given take and.
• 20:56
  It's been fun because we're both passionate and like I'm going to
• 20:59
  keep some of that in the videos when I edit them.
• 21:00
  Like us almost like it almost sounds like we're beefing
• 21:03
  sometimes because it's intense. It's.
• 21:05
  Pity, because now everyone's going to see just like how
• 21:07
  terrible you are reading when, but yeah.
• 21:11
  But dude, mother. Nature was putting US against
• 21:14
  each other this morning. Oh my God, dude, my my favorite.
• 21:19
  I think one of my favorite lines from today is you go.
• 21:22
  We are really struggling to get on the same page with wind
• 21:25
  today. I go, we've been struggling the
• 21:26
  whole trip on wind, but. But yeah, I, I, I love that, you
• 21:32
  know, like I want to leave some of that in the edit where you
• 21:35
  can almost hear there's like a like a bee for attention a
• 21:38
  little bit. But it's not.
• 21:39
  It's just that we both, really. Want to so badly want to see you
• 21:43
  succeed. Yeah, we both yeah.
• 21:44
  You want to see me succeed and then like, and you, I want to
• 21:48
  just see, I want to deliver, you know, for like what we're trying
• 21:51
  to do. And also like as a personal
• 21:53
  hunter, of course I, I want to do my best.
• 21:56
  But yeah, it's been a lot of fun hunting with you and, and you're
• 22:00
  definitely a good honor and and it's fun to hunt with good
• 22:02
  hunters. But I definitely want to get
• 22:05
  back to what you said about shooting lanes, because that's
• 22:07
  something that I have to remind, like when I hunt with Brianna or
• 22:10
  some of the other folks, I'm like, dude, where you're stopped
• 22:13
  right now is an awful spot. And also your feet are pointed
• 22:17
  towards the animal like you always want to square up in a
• 22:19
  position where wherever the most likely outcome to get a shot.
• 22:22
  I want to be sure that I'm I don't have to move at all and I
• 22:25
  can draw. So like for me, that's mega
• 22:28
  important. I never want to get stuck
• 22:30
  somewhere without a shooting lane.
• 22:31
  So like it's, it's dope that you kind of pick that up because
• 22:35
  that is way at the top of my priority list.
• 22:39
  But you've shot a lot of stuff, obviously, because you live out
• 22:43
  here and there's so much. Yeah.
• 22:45
  Variety. What is your favorite animal to
• 22:48
  hunt out here, if you could pick one?
• 22:53
  Yeah, I think we're both on the same page, like a bliss back or
• 22:56
  an Impala. They're just so tough.
• 22:57
  They're in herds, they're goofy. But if I had to pick an animal
• 23:02
  in general, I really my my number one animal that I've ever
• 23:05
  haunted was a porcupine. Porcupine OK and.
• 23:08
  That's the one that you saw in our house that night.
• 23:09
  You literally came for like a nap.
• 23:12
  Which was fun. I'm glad I got to come to your
• 23:15
  house, meet the wife and everything, see your
• 23:16
  workstation. Tell me about.
• 23:19
  Tell me why you like the porcupine so much.
• 23:20
  What? Why was that awesome?
• 23:22
  And did I want to know if you ate it and what the meat was
• 23:25
  like? Meat was awesome.
• 23:27
  It was so there's a there was a lot of firsts in that hunt
• 23:31
  coming to bow hunting. Never grew up with hunting.
• 23:34
  I have a long lineage of hunters, but with my dad not
• 23:36
  being in my life, it was it was completely cut from me.
• 23:39
  My grandfathers and everyone before before him were fantastic
• 23:43
  hunters. And so I kind of set to learn on
• 23:45
  my own coming from the military bodyguard and all that kind of
• 23:48
  stuff. I knew I don't want to do guns
• 23:50
  and so got with got into the bow stuff after watching the
• 23:53
  campaigns, I'll cunt and I was just like, this looks absolutely
• 23:56
  awesome, but I went on a bit of a blood lust because we have so
• 23:59
  much access to hunting. Yeah, I just was every weekend I
• 24:02
  was on the next hunt and I would I would just smoke.
• 24:06
  I just want to fling an arrow and I just and so when I
• 24:09
  discovered The Cave and we found these porcupine and all that
• 24:12
  kind of stuff, there was only two, which makes you think like
• 24:15
  it must be a male and a female. And so for the first time ever,
• 24:19
  I was like, I don't want to kill them.
• 24:21
  I don't want to hunt them. I want to, I want to conservate.
• 24:25
  I want to see these numbers grow before and for three years we
• 24:29
  let them, you know, live in the valley in peace, undisturbed.
• 24:33
  And when I actually haunted them, it was like 9.
• 24:35
  So three years later there was 9.
• 24:37
  And so for that was like when I became a hunter.
• 24:40
  That's a true hunter, the guy that doesn't take the shot in
• 24:44
  the name of, you know, future herds and future numbers and
• 24:47
  conservation. And so the porcupine made me a
• 24:51
  better. It wasn't that hunt itself.
• 24:54
  The idea of the porcupine made me a real hunter, someone that
• 24:57
  doesn't take the shot. That's friggin that's awesome.
• 25:00
  I didn't, I didn't know that whole story, but the the meat
• 25:03
  was pretty good. Awesome.
• 25:05
  White meat? No.
• 25:06
  No. No, it's still a red.
• 25:07
  Red meat, OK. But all they do is eat and
• 25:10
  sleep. So they're tender.
• 25:12
  They're super tender. That's.
• 25:13
  Such a cool story dude I didn't know that, did you with a bow?
• 25:17
  I've I've, I always make this a joke.
• 25:21
  I've shot more people with a gun.
• 25:23
  They'll have shot animals. Dude, I.
• 25:28
  Yeah, I, I did a survival video. It's on the channel.
• 25:31
  We got called to a medical emergency that night, so I
• 25:34
  didn't get to cook it on the video and all that kind of
• 25:36
  stuff. But I slipped in the Bush for
• 25:37
  three days in a valley, in the rain and in the mud and all that
• 25:41
  kind of stuff. And after two nights of failing,
• 25:46
  I realized if I strap a torch to my bow sight and then put my
• 25:49
  camera right next to me, and if I yeah, quills on the rocks, I
• 25:53
  can just click record, then flick the light on and then
• 25:55
  wherever I point the bar shoot. And I shot them literally like 8
• 25:59
  O clock at night in the pitch black in the valley so that the
• 26:02
  moon and light and everything couldn't get in there.
• 26:04
  Which, by the way, is legal out here, so no one freaked out.
• 26:06
  No one freaked out. It's come and it's on our it
• 26:09
  was, it was our farm. But you are camped out for three
• 26:13
  days and 8:00 at night. I flicked on that torch and it
• 26:17
  was across the valley. And I, and it was also one of
• 26:20
  the very first animals that I've slaughtered myself, you know,
• 26:23
  and the taxidermy had to teach me how to do it because it's a
• 26:26
  very specific way to do a porcupine.
• 26:28
  So it was just a, it was when I became a hunter, I wasn't just,
• 26:32
  I wasn't a killer, I was a hunter.
• 26:34
  And it was just awesome. That's a really cool story dude.
• 26:36
  I'm glad I asked that. We never spoke about that, no.
• 26:40
  I love that because I saw the porcupine in your house and you
• 26:42
  told me like that's my favorite. Like now I know why it makes
• 26:46
  sense. So like it has more depth than
• 26:47
  just the animal, you know, which for me is really important
• 26:50
  depth. And I think you've noticed that
• 26:52
  too, is like there's some animals like some dude showed us
• 26:55
  a friggin double horned ram and I was like, I don't.
• 26:58
  Want to go in the sheep and. I don't want to go hunt that
• 27:00
  dude. I mean, what I really respect
• 27:03
  about you is you're just such a humble dude.
• 27:05
  Like you could have shot a Sable on this trip, which is one of
• 27:08
  the most expensive Antelope. You're like, I'm not here for
• 27:11
  exotics. I'm not yet to take you guys for
• 27:12
  a ride in in y'all. We've even given you opportunity
• 27:16
  in y'all and you're just like, wasn't really a part of the
• 27:18
  deal. It's an expensive antelope.
• 27:19
  I don't want to do that to you guys.
• 27:21
  And you've just been very cool about like, yeah, let's just
• 27:24
  stick to the stuff we spoke about.
• 27:25
  Well, and, and to be honest, and you know, this like my, my, the
• 27:29
  animals that I was most jacked up about and I get like the most
• 27:32
  excited to glass up or stock are the ones that are like most, you
• 27:36
  know, they're not the expensive ones.
• 27:40
  You know, it's like, it's the blast.
• 27:42
  Represents Africa. The blast bak and the red heart
• 27:45
  of Beast, dude, I mean, the red heart of Beast for me is so cool
• 27:48
  to hunt just because #1 they're tough to hunt.
• 27:51
  Like I think they're tough to hunt.
• 27:53
  Very. Took us forever to get in there.
• 27:55
  And Beaumar Josh actually text me.
• 27:57
  He's like, dude, you shot one of those spot in stock.
• 27:59
  I go, yeah, it's like, dude, that's impressive.
• 28:02
  So like, and we put in work there that was like we grinded.
• 28:05
  I mean hiked. Like we had an entire modern
• 28:07
  range just to get. Around, right and but like
• 28:12
  something about it, just their color, their horns, the way they
• 28:15
  move their size, like to me it feels very North American, sort
• 28:19
  of minus the horns like, you know what I mean?
• 28:21
  Yeah, obviously it doesn't have antlers, but like, it reminds me
• 28:25
  a lot of hunting like an elk or a deer or a mule deer or
• 28:29
  something so like that was awesome and you knew dude, I was
• 28:33
  talking about him nonstop. I'm like, I really want to make
• 28:35
  this happen and. It was just by luck.
• 28:38
  Yeah, that like 2 hours after we got a bliss buck, we walked
• 28:43
  straight into Impala. That just worked.
• 28:45
  Wind was good, it was raining. Yeah, so our sound was covered.
• 28:49
  Thunder. The Thunder.
• 28:51
  Oh, I was. I was getting a little girl.
• 28:53
  We forget. I can't.
• 28:54
  All that was. Going.
• 28:55
  On that was a hectic 1 because. I keep going like dude, the
• 28:58
  lightning. Because you're you're scared of
• 29:00
  lightning. Yeah, you're scared.
• 29:02
  I've. Nearly got struck and I fucking
• 29:05
  hate it ever since. Yeah, that that was funny
• 29:08
  though, And and and the Impala like.
• 29:11
  I feel like for us in our heads, it kind of gets glossed over a
• 29:13
  little because it happened kind of fast, but it still was like a
• 29:16
  pretty epic hunt it was. Actually, just luck and it was,
• 29:19
  it was just so lucky they were, they were, they were in an.
• 29:21
  Approachable spot that we had so much sound cover, so much wind
• 29:27
  like it was it was good. But dude, I mean.
• 29:30
  I think we're not going to say it yet.
• 29:32
  Well, this is probably going to be out.
• 29:33
  After the video. You think, OK, so then we don't
• 29:35
  talk about it? Well, let's not let's not
• 29:37
  exactly talk about it just because I don't know when it'll
• 29:39
  come out. But if you if, if it's out, go
• 29:41
  watch all the hunts from this. Be sure you catch them all
• 29:44
  because they're all this guy is a phenomenal filmer.
• 29:48
  And with me being a hunter and like being miked up the whole
• 29:50
  time, like it's good shit. All of.
• 29:52
  US really good shit, so definitely check it out.
• 29:55
  But I do you know, I'm not a guy who like does product placement
• 30:00
  or talks about products, tries to sell stuff.
• 30:02
  That's not what I do. People know I have a few
• 30:04
  sponsors, but I'm not out here plugging them.
• 30:06
  I think we got to talk about the broad heads a little bit, just
• 30:09
  like I think we need to because we had such a spread of shot
• 30:15
  types. There was not a single shot that
• 30:17
  was the same as the other. No.
• 30:19
  And they just destroyed every single one.
• 30:22
  Good blood down on camera in front of us, Every single one.
• 30:27
  And when people have watched all the hunting videos, they'll
• 30:29
  understand how crazy some of those shots were.
• 30:32
  Yeah. And they just expired within 30
• 30:35
  to 40 seconds of being shot. And that's such a blast.
• 30:38
  It's actually long. It's under 20.
• 30:40
  Yeah. And for us watching them, it
• 30:41
  seems longer just because like. Because everything's filmed is
• 30:44
  slow. Right, right.
• 30:45
  But like drags, I mean, it's a good time to touch on it, I
• 30:49
  guess, because you shot several long time and you still do shoot
• 30:51
  sever and and that's great, right.
• 30:53
  But we shoot a similar type of head a bit a relatively large
• 30:57
  mechanical and I'll talk about the hard to be shot in
• 31:01
  particular right away. I was nervous about the shot,
• 31:06
  not where I wanted to hit him, but.
• 31:08
  In your defense. But well, I I don't even need
• 31:11
  the defense, I'm only talking about the head, right?
• 31:13
  So now where I wanted to hit him immediately a little nervous
• 31:16
  starts gushing. Blood died so fast.
• 31:20
  And that to me is the whole argument on why to shoot a
• 31:26
  mechanical. 100% that. One hunt, you know what I mean?
• 31:30
  Because wound channels. Big wound channels.
• 31:32
  You know, bad shots can become average shots very quickly.
• 31:36
  Exactly. And I mean, you know, I don't
• 31:39
  know if anyone's going to ever see this, but yeah, the you, you
• 31:42
  adjusted for the wind. The wind was the only reason we
• 31:45
  got that animal was because of the wind.
• 31:46
  It was absolutely gushing. What do you think?
• 31:49
  It was like maybe 20 mile an hour winds.
• 31:51
  Yeah. So I mean in kilometers I would
• 31:52
  say it's closer to 27 because we're that there was the hardest
• 31:58
  gas with 46 kilometers an hour. Yeah.
• 32:00
  Thank you. Yeah, but but I again, everyone
• 32:04
  makes everyone makes shots that aren't the best.
• 32:06
  I've made plenty of my hunting career, many, and I'm a guy who
• 32:11
  shoots all the time year round, so it happens to anybody.
• 32:13
  But that mechanical saved you. That's what I'm saying, yeah.
• 32:15
  I mean, she, that might have been one of the fastest deaths
• 32:20
  we had. She was dead so fast.
• 32:22
  I mean, obviously the Impala was fast.
• 32:26
  When they watch the video they'll understand he was dude.
• 32:30
  I have never in my life and I don't when I go hunting bro it's
• 32:34
  not for it's not for viewership like our hunting videos do.
• 32:36
  Less views. Anyways, I it's cooled on
• 32:39
  because I get to watch them in the future and maybe one day my
• 32:41
  kids or grandkids will get to watch them.
• 32:43
  But like I do not give a shit if anyone watches them.
• 32:47
  But dude, when we got that Impala shot on film, I go, well,
• 32:52
  that's a viral short. Yeah, for multiple reasons.
• 32:55
  It's a viral short. You know it Like, no question
• 32:58
  that thing's going to go to the moon. 100%.
• 33:00
  And like, that's not the purpose of us being out there.
• 33:02
  Nope. But everything's happened.
• 33:04
  You catch lightning in a bottle sometimes, and we did in 120
• 33:08
  frames in the rain, you know. It's crazy.
• 33:12
  That was beautiful, but it has to be beautiful.
• 33:15
  Shoot so. Right now you're shooting Hoyt,
• 33:20
  but you've shot a lot of bows. What has been your favorite
• 33:24
  compound bow that you felt like you shot the best, were the most
• 33:27
  repeatable with you were the most comfortable with?
• 33:29
  Tell me that it could be what you're shooting now, could be
• 33:32
  something in the past. Let me know.
• 33:34
  Yeah. So I think we've spoken about
• 33:35
  this quite a bit on this trip. So I'm not sponsored by anyone,
• 33:39
  not even server. I mean, I shoot their Broaders
• 33:42
  because I've been shooting them for a long time and they
• 33:44
  recognize me and they sometimes share my stuff.
• 33:46
  So I appreciate the support, but I'm not sponsored by anyone.
• 33:50
  I work with Magnum Archery who has the dealership for a couple
• 33:53
  of brands. So I have been shooting PSC for
• 33:57
  three years and then shot Hoyt quite a bit.
• 34:01
  Shot Elite with the YouTube channel.
• 34:02
  Pretty much last year I did 13 animals with 13 different bows.
• 34:06
  Wow. So literally like I'd build the
• 34:08
  bow out, go on a hunt, bring it back, strip it down, get the
• 34:11
  next boat, go on a hunt. Strip it down.
• 34:13
  Wow, I didn't know that I did. 13 animals, 13 different.
• 34:16
  That would be a cool compilation.
• 34:17
  On a side note, you should do a compilation of that but.
• 34:20
  Anyway, just sever compilation. Oh cool.
• 34:23
  And that will all be cool. In there.
• 34:25
  But anyway, sorry to keep. The bow, then I just felt like
• 34:29
  an absolute, like a Robin Hood, like I could not miss to the
• 34:32
  point that like at 40 yards I could not aim at the golf tee
• 34:35
  twice because I'll just be snapping arrows.
• 34:38
  That elite ethos. 303230. Three, I'm a short guy, you
• 34:44
  know, 175 S probably like 5-6 or not.
• 34:47
  No, you're like 57587558, Yeah. And so anything longer just gets
• 34:53
  too long. But man, I just gelled with
• 34:56
  that. If I pointed it hit there no
• 34:58
  matter. And I also never had target
• 35:00
  panic. It wasn't twitchy.
• 35:01
  It was super stable, good or decent speeds.
• 35:04
  And then obviously, just like the bow techs and now the new
• 35:07
  Matthews, you don't need a bow brace.
• 35:10
  You can do everything at the lump pockets.
• 35:12
  So I, I really, I tuned that bow.
• 35:14
  I set that bow up for me. And so I just gelled as it I,
• 35:18
  I'm actually a bit sad that I put it back on the shelf because
• 35:21
  in my heart I knew that that was the bow.
• 35:23
  I should have, you know, kept out and made mine for a long
• 35:27
  time. She's she was the one that got
• 35:29
  away. Yeah, but I will have to be
• 35:31
  chatting to Elite sometime soon. You should, I think, I think you
• 35:34
  should, I think that would be a good relationship for you.
• 35:36
  And you know, you're doing, you're doing good things.
• 35:40
  And, and I think that it's interesting to me and that's
• 35:43
  what I talk about on the podcast.
• 35:44
  I don't try to talk about stuff that like maybe the audience
• 35:47
  would find interesting, but like, I'm a YouTube guy, right?
• 35:50
  And I'm a content guy and I'm a nerd about it.
• 35:53
  So to me it's unique that you do YouTube, you got 10,000
• 35:59
  subscribers, but you live out here.
• 36:01
  There's, there's only, there's no, you're like the only one.
• 36:05
  And if I'm sorry if I'm missing anyone who's South.
• 36:08
  Africa, there's a couple of guys, yeah, but they're not
• 36:10
  doing what I'm doing right. They'll post a couple of kill
• 36:13
  shots or they'll post a clients hunt or something like.
• 36:16
  That videos. Per SE, they are not influencing
• 36:19
  a market within the archery industry, right?
• 36:22
  Or at least again, we both said I've got an egotistical way.
• 36:26
  We might be missing someone but but but the way that I'm doing
• 36:29
  it. So tell, tell me about that
• 36:31
  because obviously when I started in 2018, there was not a ton of
• 36:36
  people doing archery content, but there was a handful, you
• 36:38
  know, there was a handful to like, you know, at least know it
• 36:41
  was possible. And and you know, just like when
• 36:46
  you've seen someone do it, it's kind of like, you know, it's
• 36:48
  possible, right? You don't really have that
• 36:51
  because you sure you could go see that.
• 36:53
  Oh, well, Bo disciples has made it and Chris BS made it and
• 36:57
  campaigns has made it, but they're all American.
• 37:01
  Yep. You know, and you are not tough.
• 37:04
  So what was that hurdle? Like?
• 37:06
  Was there ever a part of you that was like, maybe this is a
• 37:09
  waste of time? Maybe I shouldn't do it or like
• 37:12
  what really made you want to say, OK, I'm going to film
• 37:16
  videos and I'm going to put them on YouTube and potentially
• 37:20
  actually make a living doing this.
• 37:21
  I want to know that that journey a little bit.
• 37:24
  Definitely, unfortunately, you know, Americans are very
• 37:27
  patriotic. You you guys are really proud
• 37:30
  and so are the businesses. So it's very tough to get them
• 37:33
  to work with some of the international that's not
• 37:35
  shooting competition. I'm an influencer and A and a
• 37:38
  bow hunter. I do not compete in any level.
• 37:42
  So it was always going to be tough.
• 37:43
  But if you do something you love with 0 expectation or or the
• 37:48
  desperation of it to need to be turned around quickly.
• 37:51
  So with no speeds, I understand it's a marathon and a Sprint.
• 37:54
  That's a key part. I you have everything going for
• 37:58
  you, but if you do, unfortunately at a massive
• 38:00
  disadvantage if you start something you needed to succeed
• 38:03
  fast because you make bad decisions, you make short term
• 38:06
  decisions or you lose opportunities because of that
• 38:09
  impatience. So I played the long game and
• 38:13
  you know, I've I've spoken to you about it June last year.
• 38:17
  I finally could like the the bow shop was like, why don't you
• 38:21
  just do YouTube full time and help us out, you know, with our
• 38:25
  marketing. And I finally got out of a job
• 38:28
  that was just crushing my soul, killing my relationship.
• 38:32
  It was just, it was, it was horrible.
• 38:35
  And so, yeah, I grounded out with 0 expectations.
• 38:38
  But I always, and I said it and I've actually, it's the starting
• 38:41
  line of a big hunting form of mine coming out.
• 38:44
  And I say I started YouTube with, with not focusing on the
• 38:48
  metrics so much, but knowing where there was a month or five
• 38:52
  years. It's going to bring change.
• 38:55
  And so I think consistency is key.
• 38:57
  We spoke about it a lot. And this is like being
• 38:59
  consistent, being predictable for your audience and and
• 39:02
  playing the long game. You could always succeed.
• 39:05
  Someone that's playing a long game can never fail.
• 39:08
  Yeah. And and yeah, I couldn't agree
• 39:11
  more. I I like a lot about what you
• 39:13
  said there. And not to interrupt, I, I'll
• 39:18
  tell you now, I think in five years both brands are going to
• 39:20
  be fighting to, to work with me and brands in the archery
• 39:24
  industry are going to be fighting to work with me even
• 39:26
  though I'm nowhere near your guys continent.
• 39:29
  I'll get Oh sure, I'm I'm sure you I'm sure you will.
• 39:32
  I believe that too, because number one, you got a good
• 39:35
  personality and that's something I really look for.
• 39:38
  Last night after the safari, we were at a dinner and and I will,
• 39:41
  but I was just watching. I was just watching you vibe
• 39:45
  with people at the table. So that's something I'm really
• 39:47
  good at is vibing with people, making anyone feel liked and
• 39:51
  accepted. But I was just sitting being
• 39:53
  quiet more so, which is rare for me.
• 39:56
  And I was watching you do your thing and you were so good at
• 40:00
  making everyone feel like you cared.
• 40:03
  You were listening, you were funny, you were engaging, just
• 40:06
  like, and that is something you can't really, it sucks to say,
• 40:11
  but it's like you kind of got it or you don't.
• 40:13
  And that's rough to hear for some people.
• 40:15
  But like, you got it, you know? And then thank you.
• 40:17
  Your film work is so good, you know, and your editing is really
• 40:22
  good. And we've talked about how you
• 40:24
  know. Maybe even simplifying a little
• 40:26
  bit could help you in some ways. Streamlining.
• 40:28
  But what you do is, is so you are for sure better at videos of
• 40:33
  me, you're better at photos, you're better at, you know, a
• 40:36
  lot of things and you have the recipe.
• 40:39
  So like you said, if you're doing, if you're doing the long
• 40:42
  game, it's going to happen. You know, I mean, look at me, it
• 40:46
  took forever. You know, I didn't do this full
• 40:47
  time until year five year six Year 5 or 6.
• 40:51
  You know, so like, it's just like you said, the long, long
• 40:55
  game consistency and the biggest thing I see get aspiring
• 41:01
  Youtubers in trouble. I know I think we talked about
• 41:02
  sponsorships. No, well, I think I sometimes I
• 41:05
  think that can be goofy, but no, what I really think it is is
• 41:08
  people that only work when they're motivated because I see
• 41:12
  people all the time on the YouTube space.
• 41:14
  I can name a few. I'm not going to in person, but
• 41:17
  they'll yeah, they'll they'll get real motivated, post a bunch
• 41:19
  and I'm like, let's go and then nothing for like 4 or five
• 41:22
  months. Then all of a sudden they go
• 41:23
  back up. We're taking it serious.
• 41:25
  I'm going to be out here. It's a flash in the pan, four or
• 41:27
  five videos gone again, and the cycle just repeats.
• 41:31
  And the difference is with channels like mine or Krispies
• 41:35
  or Josh Jones or you name any of the guys that are pretty
• 41:39
  substantial in the space, the consistency, bro, you never.
• 41:43
  See. You never see me miss uploads
• 41:45
  like it's not happening, you know?
• 41:47
  And that's like the mindset that I think if you really want to
• 41:52
  make it, it's like, no, I'm, I am showing up.
• 41:55
  I can guarantee you that, you know.
• 41:57
  Yeah. And if you got that in
• 41:58
  personality, I think everything else is just the cherry on top.
• 42:02
  Time. Yeah, time, dude, the time.
• 42:06
  But it's been so fun. I think the viewers will love
• 42:11
  hearing your story because, you know, you talked about your job
• 42:13
  and I don't know if you want to talk about it at all, but like
• 42:15
  you did security. I like a pretty high level for
• 42:18
  some celebrities, some very rich people.
• 42:22
  I don't know if you want to dive into that at all.
• 42:23
  Maybe talk about it a little bit, but like, how did you like
• 42:27
  that? How long were you in it?
• 42:29
  Did anything from that transfer into your hunting?
• 42:32
  Perhaps other than the impatience?
• 42:34
  No, but like maybe dive into. That a little bit.
• 42:37
  OK, so yeah, six years old, told my mom going to military, 13,
• 42:42
  start training. I meet a Royal Marine and he
• 42:45
  kind of just changes my mindset on the completely.
• 42:49
  As a kid, it was just guns, tanks, aeroplanes.
• 42:52
  I thought I was, you know, going to go do some cool shit like the
• 42:54
  movies, 13M old Marine and he's like, no, this is actually
• 42:57
  what's going to happen. Like the 1st 16 months, this is
• 43:00
  what you're going to go through, then you're going to do it was
• 43:02
  just pretty much trying to like saw me on the idea of finding
• 43:04
  something else that I want to lock into and I was sold.
• 43:08
  I was sold, you know, growing up with not a, not a strong male
• 43:10
  figure. Dad wasn't in my family or
• 43:13
  wasn't involved in our lives pretty much at all since we were
• 43:15
  four years old. Stepdad came in when I was about
• 43:18
  6 and the last five years of a 10 year marriage with my mom was
• 43:22
  abusing us, getting kicked out and having to stay at boarding
• 43:25
  school with teachers and grandparents for two years, you
• 43:28
  know, and all of that was just prepping me for my dream, which
• 43:32
  is military. And so, yeah, six days after
• 43:34
  finishing my matric finals and washing cars a whole year to
• 43:37
  save up for plane tickets and that kind of stuff.
• 43:39
  Ship off to the Foreign Legion, get early medical discharge,
• 43:43
  blowing both my ankles out. Either have to have an operation
• 43:46
  and I'm a base giffy and I don't have operation.
• 43:48
  I'm still a base giffy. I'd never be deployed.
• 43:51
  And I had Angie back home, so who's now my wife?
• 43:55
  And so the right call for me was just to come home.
• 43:58
  Like I wasn't going to be able to achieve what I wanted to
• 44:00
  achieve. And that's the the B game after
• 44:04
  finishing military where there was a 5-6 or ten years stunt was
• 44:07
  to go into private security. So it was like, sweet, this is
• 44:10
  done. I'm going to go into Plan B now.
• 44:12
  And so, yeah, I had a really good stint of close protection
• 44:15
  and bodyguarding some very higher people, royal families,
• 44:17
  celebs, all of that kind of stuff.
• 44:19
  Got into a hostage situation that got us in a court case for
• 44:22
  quite a long time where we had to put some guys down.
• 44:26
  And that's nobbled into me wanting to not be so involved in
• 44:30
  the action. Going to more like the corporate
• 44:32
  side. So the industry that I still
• 44:33
  understand, but more like a desk job.
• 44:36
  But unfortunately, because of my background, I was just getting
• 44:38
  roped up into the bad stuff because guys weren't trying for
• 44:42
  it. And so you're talking about like
• 44:44
  husbands trying to kill wives and we have to breach the house
• 44:46
  and get them off and disarm them and shootouts at malls and
• 44:50
  shootouts trying to recover vehicles.
• 44:51
  And I just kept getting roped up into stuff.
• 44:54
  And I think after like 3 shootouts in three weeks, me and
• 44:57
  my wife were just now wife said it's just not worth it.
• 45:02
  It's just absolutely not worth it.
• 45:03
  And while I was at that job, I started YouTube.
• 45:06
  I was bow hunting at the time, 2019-2020, I started bow hunting
• 45:10
  and I'd always been into video, video, videography, photography,
• 45:15
  all of it. And I was doing like weddings on
• 45:18
  the weekends to earn extra bucks and that kind of stuff.
• 45:20
  And so, yeah, 20/23/2022, I was like, let me try and combine the
• 45:25
  two. I see guys doing it, the
• 45:27
  Crispies yourself, you know, Levi Morgan, kind of the
• 45:31
  educational stuff. Cameron Hands and I kind of just
• 45:34
  morphed the two together of my passions and went on it.
• 45:37
  You know, it's hard to just go into straight detail about my
• 45:41
  career in the security industry, but you saw some rough stuff.
• 45:45
  I think a lot of the way that I'm moving the bushes definitely
• 45:48
  come straight back to my training.
• 45:50
  The way I plant my feet on the ground is as if I'm, you know,
• 45:53
  moving into the CQB kind of situation.
• 45:56
  I don't know if you've noticed, but I'm extremely quiet on my
• 45:59
  feet. I don't know if you heard that
• 46:01
  at all. Like I'm constantly heel to toe,
• 46:03
  heel to toe. We're both, I think we both got
• 46:05
  quiet feed. I'll be on it.
• 46:06
  But I do want to get you those sneaks that I got.
• 46:08
  I want you to order a pair. They're all sneaks.
• 46:09
  They're cheap. For soft shoes. $20 off Amazon.
• 46:13
  I want you to just try them and text me, see what you think.
• 46:16
  Yeah. I'll give them a go.
• 46:17
  Yeah, I guarantee your noise will reduce over boots by like
• 46:20
  at least 25%. Yeah, well, it's also nice to
• 46:23
  have those kind of things if you're in a thorny area and you
• 46:26
  can't go into your socks or something like that.
• 46:28
  And stuff doesn't get stuck to them and they do get stuck to
• 46:30
  socks. So I actually think they're
• 46:31
  quieter. I've tested a lot.
• 46:33
  But dude, I think you would fall in love with it because you love
• 46:36
  stalking so much. But dude that's a cool story I I
• 46:39
  love hearing. That's not much detail, but
• 46:41
  yeah, that's. That's enough detail, I mean.
• 46:43
  In a nutshell, I just saw too much contact in too little time.
• 46:48
  And then the last engagement I was really just prepping to
• 46:51
  catch one. There was just too many bullets
• 46:52
  flying for me not to catch 1. And I kind of just had to tell
• 46:55
  myself I've got my Med kit on me, I got my IFAC, I've got a
• 46:58
  couple of TQS on me. I'm going to have to patch
• 47:00
  myself up. I hope I just don't get
• 47:02
  something that I can't patch up. Like that's all going through my
• 47:04
  brain while I'm shooting, while I'm covering, while we were
• 47:06
  treating, while we get into cover.
• 47:08
  And so when that day wrapped up, me and my missus were just like
• 47:13
  we done with this. I mean, dude, like, like, I
• 47:17
  mean, if you're someone who feeds off adrenaline that like a
• 47:20
  job like that, like you can't ask for a lot more.
• 47:22
  It's so, I mean, that's like excitement at the peak, you
• 47:25
  know, but I feel like that's like you said earlier, it's
• 47:28
  definitely a young man's game. And not that either of us are
• 47:31
  old, but like for that you kind of are, you know what I mean?
• 47:35
  Like it's, but it's so cool hearing that.
• 47:38
  And I think it's an important part of your story, you know,
• 47:40
  just like me being a biker in the past is important to my
• 47:43
  story, you know, and everyone reaches a certain point in a
• 47:47
  certain way. And one thing I think that I
• 47:51
  respect about what you do in your videos and just kind of the
• 47:57
  way you approach doing YouTube and content is I don't see you
• 48:01
  trying to be someone else. Like I, I sometimes I'll watch
• 48:05
  someone and be like, I know that's not their personality and
• 48:10
  like I, I want them to, I want everyone to win.
• 48:13
  I genuinely mean that. Like I never want anyone to fail
• 48:16
  and I wish everyone blows up and accomplishes their goals.
• 48:18
  That's like what really important to me and what I root
• 48:21
  for. But sometimes I can just watch
• 48:24
  somebody and I know them in person and I'll go that this is,
• 48:26
  this is, this is an act right here.
• 48:28
  They're trying to like be funny to like be like my videos or
• 48:31
  something, but your their personality might be more
• 48:35
  educational, more dry, whatever it might be, just do that to
• 48:39
  people. Because guess what?
• 48:41
  The pool that likes to watch me for my personality there is, I
• 48:45
  guarantee, a pool that's just as big, that want to watch someone
• 48:49
  that's much different. No.
• 48:51
  Find your audience, connect with your audience, and I respect
• 48:54
  that. From what I can gather, what
• 48:56
  I've seen, I've watched a fair amount of your videos.
• 48:59
  I think you do a very good job of that.
• 49:01
  Thank you. So I respect that.
• 49:02
  Thank you and. Well, it's sustainable.
• 49:04
  Yeah, because you're not acting. The unfortunately and we are
• 49:08
  talk about this even in relationships not to not yeah,
• 49:10
  we're going full of the we we don't have Brianna yet to keep
• 49:14
  us on track. No, she she actually gets off
• 49:16
  track more than me. I actually had to keep her on
• 49:19
  track. But that's what makes.
• 49:20
  Motorcycles podcast fun. We don't stick in the rails bro.
• 49:23
  But we're, we're talking about, I, I talk about all the time
• 49:28
  like that honeymoon phase of a relationship when you know, like
• 49:30
  girlfriend, boyfriend, whatever. That's why I think it's so
• 49:34
  important for people to like move in with each other because
• 49:36
  that facade has to give up and you start seeing the real
• 49:38
  picture. And that's the same with
• 49:40
  YouTube. Eventually you're going to get
• 49:42
  tired, you're going to get depressed, you're going to,
• 49:44
  because you have to constantly not be yourself to keep up with
• 49:48
  the kind of content that you're trying to make.
• 49:50
  And I think that's why I really enjoy the what you do, which is
• 49:53
  just like point, shoot, put on a clip and and post it.
• 49:58
  There's no need to fake it. There's no need to change it.
• 50:01
  And if I've learnt anything on this trip is I don't think
• 50:04
  anything that I do is complicated.
• 50:06
  I just need to do more of what you do, which is more Gary Vees
• 50:10
  is it all the time? Don't create document.
• 50:14
  Yeah, don't. Try and create a whole new
• 50:16
  thing. Just have a camera rolling and
• 50:19
  let people see what you're all about.
• 50:20
  Yeah, totally. I mean, I, I think that Gary,
• 50:22
  Gary's a legend. First of all, I love Gary, life
• 50:25
  changing love Gary. But I, I wanted to, I wanted to
• 50:29
  say a quote that I love. And it's a little bit different,
• 50:32
  but a similar vein of what we're talking.
• 50:35
  But I love the quote that if you tell the truth then you never
• 50:40
  have to remember what you said. 100%.
• 50:43
  And bro, I'm never stressed because of that.
• 50:45
  I'd I'm not a liar, that's like I'm a lot of things, but I'm
• 50:48
  definitely not a liar. And I think that because of that
• 50:52
  and being authentic and who I am too, because if you're
• 50:55
  inauthentic and who you are, that's a lie as well.
• 50:57
  If I'm faking on camera that I'm.
• 50:58
  Lying to anxiety, depression and all that.
• 51:00
  And then? It's like who is it going to
• 51:02
  catch up with me type thing? I don't have to think that bro,
• 51:04
  because I know that if I said something to someone, maybe like
• 51:07
  maybe I told him that in a secret.
• 51:09
  I don't want them to tell somebody, but guess what, If
• 51:10
  they do, it might be harsh to hear, but what I'm saying is, is
• 51:14
  true. You know what I mean?
• 51:16
  At least from my perspective. So I think that's such a banger.
• 51:20
  And it kind of goes with what you're saying is like just like
• 51:23
  try to be authentic. Catch up.
• 51:25
  Yeah, dude. Yeah.
• 51:27
  And that's the fun part, dude. This trip, like, not only have
• 51:29
  we haunted, not only have we shared a few drinks, we've
• 51:32
  shared some dinners. We have ate, by the way, ate
• 51:36
  everything we killed. Ate everything.
• 51:38
  Well, not not really hard. To be not yet, but that's
• 51:40
  tomorrow. But since we got the zebra and
• 51:44
  it was today, we're going to have that today, and we'll have
• 51:46
  Roy Heart to be us tomorrow. Yeah, Roy Heart.
• 51:49
  You got to quit with that. You got to quit with that.
• 51:51
  So actually this is this is kind of fun, right?
• 51:54
  This is fun for me and my dad. Shout out to Ted.
• 51:57
  He'll be watching. He'll he'll love this part.
• 51:59
  So there's a lot of Dutch influence here.
• 52:03
  Tell me about. That so let's you the dot the
• 52:05
  Dutch. And tell me about Afrikaans
• 52:07
  language a little. Give me like a spiel.
• 52:08
  All that a. 100% so the Dutch landed just something like in
• 52:12
  the 1700s and so, but through hundreds of years have developed
• 52:17
  their own slang and own terms and not called Afrikaans.
• 52:20
  So if you speak Afrikaans in the Netherlands, you'd get by, but
• 52:24
  it is definitely a African dialect of Dutch, so yeah.
• 52:29
  Yeah, and you speak it somewhat, you said somewhat.
• 52:32
  I understand it fully because most of the businesses I do
• 52:35
  business with is in Afrikaans and even their marketing have
• 52:38
  pushed Afrikaans because the the community of Afrikaans speaking
• 52:41
  people is so tight knit and they support each other.
• 52:44
  So it's kind of like America is proud to be American Afrikaans,
• 52:47
  People are proud to be Afrikaans.
• 52:49
  So the whole marketing strategy is to switch everything from
• 52:51
  English to Afrikaans and really cater for the market that
• 52:54
  they're working with. Wow.
• 52:56
  I mean, I'd say, I would say 85 to 90% of the hunting or hunters
• 53:02
  in South Africa, Afrikaans, really, that's just a culture.
• 53:04
  Well, I heard Novan speaking it to, you know, a couple people
• 53:08
  and it's, it's an interesting language.
• 53:09
  I, I like the sound of it. It's like kind of a unique
• 53:13
  sounding, kind of like a almost like a clunky sound, like, I
• 53:16
  don't know how to describe it. Like it pops.
• 53:18
  It's just like a cool sound. You know what I mean?
• 53:21
  Like, I don't know, it's cool, but I also was curious.
• 53:24
  So you just went to the states for your first time, but let's
• 53:27
  erase that part. Say you hadn't been yet.
• 53:29
  What is like your thoughts? Like what do you what do you
• 53:33
  think of when you think the United States?
• 53:36
  Like, you know what I mean? What's your?
• 53:38
  Last five years the only content I could digest is American
• 53:41
  influencers in the bow hunting and archery community.
• 53:44
  The Crispy's yourself, Cameron Hands.
• 53:46
  Levi Morgan Dudley on the educational side, obviously 9
• 53:50
  pager but because of Sippy, the owner of Magnum.
• 53:55
  I understand you guys hunting laws, rules and how things works
• 53:59
  for a very long time, but the only thing I've ever cared about
• 54:02
  is trying to get a bit of hunting done in the states to be
• 54:05
  very honest. So you don't think a ton about
• 54:06
  like, you don't have like a real view of like the culture or the
• 54:10
  like? Our news covers you guys
• 54:12
  politics like hardcore some. More than your own.
• 54:15
  Even. Probably even more than your
• 54:16
  own, like the way you guys get the news.
• 54:19
  So like we always know what's happening with Trump or Biden or
• 54:22
  executive orders that are getting signed or Elon Musk
• 54:24
  saying something or doing the hand thing.
• 54:27
  And. It's going wild.
• 54:30
  But so I'm always aware of like the political stance and the
• 54:33
  stuff that's going on and the California fires.
• 54:35
  And so I'm aware of all that stuff, but the only shit I could
• 54:38
  care about is. Going on a hunt or?
• 54:40
  Just get into nature. When I was there in Billings,
• 54:42
  Mt, all I wanted to do is get up in the mountains and just be in
• 54:45
  nature. See it?
• 54:46
  Yeah. And you said your dream hunt is
• 54:48
  dream hunt. Alaskan brown bear, right?
• 54:50
  Yes, Sir. So if anyone's watching this as
• 54:53
  a hook up to save this guy some Rand.
• 54:56
  Open the gate. Yeah, go on, Alaskan brown bear.
• 55:00
  But. But really, if I could just just
• 55:04
  like you have come to another continent to take your skills
• 55:07
  that you've owned since you were six or five years old, like you
• 55:10
  said, and being able to hunt animals on a completely
• 55:14
  different continent, I I want to do the same.
• 55:16
  Yeah. I haven't haunted outside of the
• 55:18
  southern tip of Africa. Yeah, that would be a goleman
• 55:22
  where there was a white tail and alcohol, moose or anything like
• 55:25
  that. I'd be really keen to put
• 55:26
  something down outside the country.
• 55:28
  I would love for you to do that. I think it would be awesome,
• 55:33
  dude. It's it's it's really cool.
• 55:35
  I mean, I think, I don't know, I think I have a such a kind of a
• 55:39
  unique perspective coming out here like to, you know, in that
• 55:44
  I've never done something like this and I know people who have.
• 55:48
  But like I said, I guess coming over you kind of think like.
• 55:54
  You. Kind of your perception is that
• 55:56
  it's in. Granted, I will give one caveat
• 55:59
  before saying this. We have not sat any hides or
• 56:02
  blinds. No hides, no blinds.
• 56:04
  Everything we've done has been spot in stock and we did that
• 56:07
  intentionally because that's what I like to do.
• 56:08
  What you like to do. We are going to put, we are
• 56:10
  probably going to set a hide for one.
• 56:11
  One, yeah, share the facilities, yeah.
• 56:14
  Yeah, show the facilities. But I will say the, again, it's
• 56:18
  going to sound a little harsh, but I think like the perception
• 56:20
  of people like me who hunt like where I do and how I think they
• 56:25
  think they're going to come over and it's like kind of like a
• 56:27
  farmed hunt. It's like a canned super.
• 56:30
  Easy, hunt me. Do you want to do 1020?
• 56:32
  Thirty yards and boom. I think literally like it's to
• 56:35
  us, it's like going out and shooting a cow was what people
• 56:37
  think it is. And I can honestly say.
• 56:40
  These animals are. Wild.
• 56:42
  They're wild animals, there's no doubt about that.
• 56:44
  They are skittish. They jump strings more than a
• 56:48
  pretty much anything I've haunted in the states.
• 56:50
  I'll, I'll just be honest, they are jumpy.
• 56:52
  Very. I mean they're.
• 56:54
  Not They're not easy to stalk. You cannot play around with the
• 56:57
  wind. You cannot be loud.
• 56:59
  You got to watch your. You just can't be sloppy.
• 57:01
  You can't be sloppy. And I, and, and that was so
• 57:04
  important for me to come here and experience first hand
• 57:07
  because that is not what I really thought it would be, you
• 57:10
  know, and I'm actually, I'm so happy and relieved that it's how
• 57:15
  it's not that. No, I'm so happy, you know, and.
• 57:18
  I mean, that first time we saw Bliss buck on the dam and we had
• 57:21
  an easy approach. We both were like, oh, we
• 57:23
  thought it would be easier when we start.
• 57:26
  When we start, nothing's going to pan out.
• 57:28
  But I like it that like we enjoy the hard stuff.
• 57:31
  Yeah. And and I just, I know that a
• 57:34
  lot of our audience are guys like me that like to do stuff
• 57:37
  hard and do the over the counter outcomes and stuff.
• 57:40
  That's brutal. This is definitely, it's not as
• 57:45
  brutal, but that's like it's still hard and a great way to
• 57:48
  hone your skills. And that's why I think coming
• 57:51
  out here is so worth it. Plus, as guys from America,
• 57:55
  like, what are we hunting in March, April, May?
• 57:59
  There's no hunting. You know what I mean?
• 58:01
  Like, you can come over here, come over here.
• 58:03
  Well, I guess there's turkeys, but like.
• 58:04
  Get ready for Get ready for your.
• 58:06
  September, yeah. So I I'm a fan and I I will, I
• 58:09
  will be coming back at some point.
• 58:11
  I don't know. I mean just hopefully sooner
• 58:13
  rather than later I'll be coming back and now I have a whole new
• 58:19
  understanding. It is different.
• 58:21
  Like, it's different, obviously, and hunting over where we're at,
• 58:24
  it's different, but it's still awesome and it's still hard and
• 58:30
  challenging and a very, very good way to hone your skills and
• 58:34
  get a lot of reps in a short period of time.
• 58:37
  And that, to me, mega valuable. Some good good bow hunting.
• 58:42
  Absolutely. I've always said it's bow
• 58:44
  hunters paradise. And you're right about that,
• 58:47
  dude. I mean, where else can you go
• 58:49
  where in four days? I don't even know how many
• 58:52
  stocks we've been on. So many. 9/10.
• 58:56
  Easy. Easily.
• 58:58
  Easily. And that's being selective with
• 59:00
  which ones we go on, you know, if.
• 59:02
  You just want looking at like 4 mountain ranges and be like
• 59:05
  don't want to go for that? Don't want to go for that.
• 59:07
  Let's try and make a go for that.
• 59:09
  So I, I just wanted to nip that in the bud, you know, because.
• 59:13
  But also the Rand dollar, you've been saying it the whole time,
• 59:16
  like you guys bring the USD over here.
• 59:19
  It goes a long way. Yeah, dude, like food and and
• 59:23
  everything is definitely cheaper.
• 59:25
  I did get, you know, I got a little bit chapped when they
• 59:27
  switched the prices out on me. The Taxidermist.
• 59:30
  I got to learn a new accent. Yeah, yeah, unfortunately they
• 59:34
  had an American accent and they're like, sorry.
• 59:37
  Sorry. Wrong, wrong price sheet so that
• 59:39
  I don't love obviously like who would but.
• 59:42
  I mean, I, I, I get it. But that was I'm like.
• 59:45
  That's not even legal in the States.
• 59:47
  You can't do that. You know what I mean?
• 59:49
  But but. Like I said, we're somewhere
• 59:51
  else and everything's different, but I have had a freaking blast.
• 59:55
  Incredible. And we got more days like.
• 59:57
  Incredible. We might have one more day than
• 59:59
  we planned. I know, I know, I.
• 1:00:01
  Know and then you. Got some big plans after this
• 1:00:02
  Tell tell me about those plans. So you're going to leave
• 1:00:06
  probably Monday now. April 1st.
• 1:00:09
  April Fools. Day, we thought you leaving
• 1:00:11
  Sunday, you leaving Monday, we thought you leaving Monday and
• 1:00:15
  you're actually leaving Tuesday. So you're going to be here for
• 1:00:18
  another day. But literally when you leave,
• 1:00:19
  I'm going to stay on. I'm going to hunt myself, get in
• 1:00:22
  the Bush, go for some specific stuff, the Bush bucks, the DACA,
• 1:00:25
  then Y'alla, something I've shot in yard before, but something I
• 1:00:28
  haven't shot before, that's my goal.
• 1:00:30
  Or something that I haven't shot on foot and any other thing is a
• 1:00:33
  zebra. So we'll see what happens next
• 1:00:35
  week and then the following week I'm doing a week of fellow deer
• 1:00:39
  rat hunting. So literally while they're
• 1:00:41
  mating and going absolutely berserk, kind of like what
• 1:00:43
  you're out doing, calling and all that kind of stuff, I'm
• 1:00:46
  going to be going after them in the mountains, which is about
• 1:00:48
  four hours from here. But those mountains are these
• 1:00:51
  guys. Wow.
• 1:00:52
  It's just huge country and no cover.
• 1:00:56
  So it's just like you said, it's topo.
• 1:00:58
  You're just you're working the curvature of the Earth.
• 1:01:00
  Curvature dude. Curvature is curvature is a trip
• 1:01:04
  man. It's like.
• 1:01:06
  I think the best example of it would be our Roy Hottaby.
• 1:01:10
  Hottabias, bro, that curvature, like we had to like Dang near
• 1:01:18
  get on top of them before we could see them.
• 1:01:20
  Let's say on top of them it was, you know, 60 yards.
• 1:01:23
  But like it's open country. Theoretically you could see them
• 1:01:26
  from 700 yards, but you can't because of all the curves.
• 1:01:30
  As you get close. Yeah, because it like you can't
• 1:01:32
  see over the the. The I mean, we stalked for three
• 1:01:36
  hours not even knowing if they're there.
• 1:01:39
  Yeah. That one was funny because I
• 1:01:40
  can. Sense you're getting impeached,
• 1:01:42
  I can sense Travis behind me going.
• 1:01:44
  I'm ready to leave dude. I'm.
• 1:01:45
  I don't think they're here. Like, not really like we have
• 1:01:49
  not seen. Them I swear, dude, I was in
• 1:01:51
  your brain for that part. I go, this dude is so pissed
• 1:01:54
  that I'm still going bro, not pissed, but I'm like, I know
• 1:01:57
  he's like, what are we doing? I'll do 14 hours a day with you
• 1:02:00
  and I'm happy. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:02
  And then dude, sure as shit we look over that.
• 1:02:05
  I learned they're not Ant hills, they're termite.
• 1:02:08
  Termite Hills. Termite hills, which are a trip.
• 1:02:11
  Dude. I've never seen one of those.
• 1:02:14
  Like termites or? Hills.
• 1:02:15
  I've never seen hills and. They're giants.
• 1:02:17
  They're big, good vantage points.
• 1:02:19
  Yeah. So, dude, it's awesome.
• 1:02:23
  Like I said, it's been a blast to hunt with you.
• 1:02:25
  We still got more to do. Got more to do, more days.
• 1:02:29
  Yeah, we film freaking bangers. We're going to film more.
• 1:02:34
  But yeah, I I really like I said, I respect you a lot.
• 1:02:37
  I think you're doing good things.
• 1:02:38
  Keep going and. Thank you.
• 1:02:41
  I hope that everyone listening to this got a kick out of Heaven
• 1:02:45
  Outdoors with Travis on, and be sure to subscribe to him.
• 1:02:48
  And if you want to come, you know, hit the Bush, check out
• 1:02:52
  Elan's River Safari. Then it's freaking awesome,
• 1:02:55
  dude. It's, yeah, I always say, I
• 1:02:57
  always use that line. It cannot be explained.
• 1:03:01
  It has to be experienced. Have to get out you and I.
• 1:03:05
  Don't think I could word that any better.
• 1:03:06
  Anyone that loves bow hunting will be obsessed with this
• 1:03:11
  place. Paige told me when I told her I
• 1:03:13
  was coming out here, she said, dude, you're going to love it.
• 1:03:18
  Like you're going to want to go back.
• 1:03:19
  I go, OK, you know, and like, you just don't get it.
• 1:03:23
  Like you said, you got to come. Yeah, you have to come you so
• 1:03:26
  much. People can show you videos,
• 1:03:28
  photos, tell you about the experiences, but once you step
• 1:03:31
  foot, yeah, that's something else.
• 1:03:33
  And The thing is, it's like, OK, you got to pay to fly over here,
• 1:03:38
  pay for pay to hunt, but it's not like it's you only live one
• 1:03:43
  time. So I give it a shot.
• 1:03:45
  You know, I'm glad I did. I, I, I almost like several
• 1:03:50
  times, like maybe I just won't do it.
• 1:03:51
  And I'm so happy that I did, you know, So I, I encourage people
• 1:03:55
  who are on the fence like me, and I'm sure there's a lot.
• 1:03:57
  Just give it a shot. What do you got to lose A?
• 1:04:00
  100% what do you got to lose? It's just some bad
• 1:04:03
  misconceptions and I think you're going to squash them by
• 1:04:05
  showing your videos and how we haunted and how we worked.
• 1:04:07
  And then we said, like for the people that don't want to walk
• 1:04:10
  and stalk, that maybe have injuries, maybe their health
• 1:04:13
  isn't top notch, there is hides, there is blinds, there is tree
• 1:04:17
  stands. You can do all of that as well.
• 1:04:19
  Yeah, you can do. We just chose to get the good
• 1:04:22
  old fashioned legs working. Yeah, there's there's options
• 1:04:25
  and I think that's really cool. Also Elands River, correct me if
• 1:04:28
  I'm wrong, I don't I don't want to jump the gun here.
• 1:04:30
  So if I'm wrong, just nip it in the bud.
• 1:04:32
  But it's only archery hunting, is that correct?
• 1:04:34
  So yeah, they, they did some gun hunting in the past, but it was
• 1:04:37
  basically private or with friends and family, that kind of
• 1:04:40
  stuff. But since I've come in, which is
• 1:04:41
  about 6 months now, we have converted completely to bow
• 1:04:44
  hunting. So there you go, if I was this
• 1:04:47
  dude. If if this location was haunted
• 1:04:49
  with guns, we would have had a terrible time.
• 1:04:53
  Yeah. Oh dude.
• 1:04:54
  Because animals are completely traumatized.
• 1:04:56
  Oh, I'm completely traumatized. So for me, archery only is
• 1:05:01
  insane. Like that's a huge point to me.
• 1:05:03
  So obviously our archery, our whole brand is based around
• 1:05:07
  bows. So to anyone who watching, you
• 1:05:10
  can come here. There's not going to be gun
• 1:05:12
  rounds banging off. You can.
• 1:05:14
  And what's so important? Can I tell you when I was in
• 1:05:16
  Montana, people asked this all the time.
• 1:05:18
  Elias River Safaris does not do two groups and 1 gun.
• 1:05:21
  So if there's one hunter in one group, the entire ranch is his.
• 1:05:26
  If six friends want to come here together, the entire ranch is
• 1:05:28
  theirs. You never share, which bothers
• 1:05:31
  me sometimes when you go to a place and you bump into people
• 1:05:33
  you don't even freaking know. You don't know how their safety
• 1:05:37
  is. You don't know how their
• 1:05:38
  awareness is. You don't even know how they
• 1:05:39
  stalk. And now you got to share this
• 1:05:42
  piece of value or something like that with them.
• 1:05:43
  So when you come with you, one person or six friends, that's
• 1:05:46
  yours. This this whole area is for you
• 1:05:48
  guys to hunt. Yeah, that's cool.
• 1:05:50
  I didn't know that either. I did not know that either.
• 1:05:53
  And what I really like is, you know, I love getting up early.
• 1:05:57
  I love getting up before the sun, hiking up to a glassing
• 1:06:01
  spot, setting up my tripod and and really looking pounding the
• 1:06:04
  hills like with the eyes as well as the legs.
• 1:06:08
  You can do that here. All of it.
• 1:06:10
  You can do it so. We've done it almost every
• 1:06:12
  morning. We have, we have and today it
• 1:06:15
  worked out, man, today was awesome.
• 1:06:18
  Shoot, we were just, it was kind of one of those things.
• 1:06:23
  Like us, the wind was funny, of course, a funny conversation,
• 1:06:26
  but in reality, the wind was at our back regardless of which way
• 1:06:30
  we faced. Today we couldn't get it and.
• 1:06:33
  At some points, if we're facing each other, we're both swears at
• 1:06:35
  our. Back both and it was probably.
• 1:06:37
  Because dude, the wind is shifty here, but it's shifty anytime
• 1:06:41
  you hunt. It's like nuts.
• 1:06:42
  It's it'll be like this now I want to be perfectly.
• 1:06:45
  Constant when it's blowing hard. So when I hunt mountains a lot,
• 1:06:47
  right? Just like this mountains create,
• 1:06:50
  especially when it's not blowing like this dude.
• 1:06:52
  It's always because but that's that makes you a better bow
• 1:06:56
  hunter dude, I'm telling you like it really is a crash course
• 1:06:59
  out here. I would say to anybody who let's
• 1:07:03
  say you got a bowl out cut in two years and you've never shot
• 1:07:07
  anything with a bow and have 0 experience.
• 1:07:10
  I can guarantee you that if that hunt is on public land and you
• 1:07:13
  do not have an outfitter, probably even then you are not
• 1:07:16
  going like the odds of you fill in the tag 1%.
• 1:07:21
  If you come here 1st and hunt for a week and at least
• 1:07:23
  practice, hone some skills, your odds are going to bump up a
• 1:07:27
  little bit. Have a great time, get animals
• 1:07:30
  on the ground. You know you're not just coming
• 1:07:32
  here to quite and quite train, but it's some valuable skills
• 1:07:37
  learnt in a very short space of time.
• 1:07:39
  Like you said, guys might only stalk once, twice 3 * a year on
• 1:07:42
  an animal and we've done that in like an afternoon.
• 1:07:45
  Exactly. Like 3 different herds, 3
• 1:07:47
  different species. That's worth that's worth some
• 1:07:50
  travel and some some investment. What to me?
• 1:07:52
  Yeah. And I think what what you said
• 1:07:54
  is is on point like vet make sure these people have catered
• 1:07:58
  for other people before. Make sure you know someone
• 1:08:00
  that's been there before and knows them because there's a lot
• 1:08:03
  of scams out there. So you don't want to be suckered
• 1:08:05
  into paying thousands of dollars landing at the airport and no
• 1:08:08
  one's there to pick you up. So work with people that you
• 1:08:11
  know, work with people that have been vouched for by people that
• 1:08:15
  you know. And honestly I I don't know
• 1:08:18
  anyone that has come here and not come again afterwards.
• 1:08:22
  Yeah, I I would come again for sure.
• 1:08:24
  I really would, no doubt I would.
• 1:08:28
  You're like, it's a trip because when we first drove in and you
• 1:08:31
  see like how you know, the animals are playing animals,
• 1:08:33
  some of them. So they just stand out there and
• 1:08:35
  then they because you don't shoot guns and you don't shoot
• 1:08:37
  them from cars, they'll stand by.
• 1:08:40
  You can drive by them, you know, and.
• 1:08:42
  Then yards. And when we first I.
• 1:08:43
  Remember when we caught you? When I first let me put you
• 1:08:47
  inside my mind where you're going, I'm like, oh boy, this is
• 1:08:51
  like my worst. This is this is what I didn't
• 1:08:53
  want, you know? And then, sure enough, that's
• 1:08:56
  not how it is. Come to the lodge, get our
• 1:08:58
  cameras on, go on foot, everything's gone.
• 1:09:01
  Yeah, exactly. So I will, I will tell people
• 1:09:04
  this when you show up, like if you come to Elan's River Safari,
• 1:09:07
  because I I'm, I am not again, I'm not the type to I'm not
• 1:09:11
  going to sell if something's like ass, but it's this is
• 1:09:14
  legit. It's fun, very good learning.
• 1:09:17
  But I'm telling you, when you pull up, you probably will have
• 1:09:20
  a moment where you're like, oh God, you know, most likely.
• 1:09:24
  But give it a shot. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:09:25
  When you get here, go on some stocks.
• 1:09:28
  And you'll realize very quick. Exactly.
• 1:09:31
  And it's just simply because the car is not a threat.
• 1:09:33
  And we went on safari yesterday and they actually said that they
• 1:09:36
  see a vehicle as one unit, not that there's human beings
• 1:09:40
  actually sitting in it. So they see the car, they don't
• 1:09:42
  see the people interest. And so, but I mean, I go to
• 1:09:45
  places where guys just shoot off a car all the time.
• 1:09:48
  You won't get within 500 metres of the animals with a car
• 1:09:51
  because they just associate that as a as much of A threat as a
• 1:09:54
  wild predator. So it's only because Inland
• 1:09:57
  River Safaris doesn't do sketchy stuff like that that you can
• 1:10:01
  kind of drive up in a car, but. Which which is actually kind of
• 1:10:05
  in a way nice because, you know, I don't know if you bring your
• 1:10:10
  kids or your wife or. Something you actually have a
• 1:10:12
  drive? Go see the animals.
• 1:10:14
  Yeah, you can do a little. Bit of a would step your foot on
• 1:10:17
  the ground and everything's just scattered.
• 1:10:19
  Yeah. And and I, I do want to say one
• 1:10:21
  other thing. It's not like you can drive by
• 1:10:24
  like let's say pull up on the side of a zebra and then say,
• 1:10:26
  OK, you get out the car, we'll pull off and you shoot them.
• 1:10:29
  No, that's not allowed. Like you.
• 1:10:30
  Not how we roll. You can't even, you can't be
• 1:10:33
  within hundreds of yards of it with the.
• 1:10:35
  I mean, every time we've been driving, we'll we'll stop an
• 1:10:39
  hour stalk away. Yeah, yeah, at least exactly so.
• 1:10:42
  We'll stop behind a mountain and then have to hike it and get
• 1:10:45
  around it and get down it and get up wind and.
• 1:10:47
  And to me, that speaks well, you know, to Elands.
• 1:10:49
  And I think, I think for guys like me who have the perception,
• 1:10:53
  which is not uncommon, I think it's probably the common
• 1:10:56
  conception is like that, that or perception.
• 1:10:59
  Sorry. I think that is it's kind of
• 1:11:02
  calming to know you know that because you, like you said, you
• 1:11:06
  could hear me just go. Oh.
• 1:11:07
  God, I could hear your thoughts. I was like, they're not even
• 1:11:11
  running away. He's probably going to think,
• 1:11:12
  this is so easy. And I just knew the minute we
• 1:11:16
  get out, you're going to realize what it's all about.
• 1:11:18
  Because thank God dude. I would have been so
• 1:11:19
  disappointed bro if we just like.
• 1:11:21
  We like it difficult. I wouldn't oversell it either.
• 1:11:24
  I'm not a guy that is that that sells something or speaks about
• 1:11:27
  something that I don't, I'm not absolutely proud of or don't
• 1:11:30
  absolutely believe in. So when I told you that we're
• 1:11:32
  going to have a good time, we're going to hunt hard, it's walking
• 1:11:34
  stalk spot and stalk. Like we did it.
• 1:11:37
  We've done it the whole time, but I don't think we would have
• 1:11:41
  been as successful if it was like just me.
• 1:11:43
  We I learned some valuable lessons on how you like to stalk
• 1:11:47
  that I think are just perfect for this environment.
• 1:11:49
  Same here dude, Learned a lot from you and IT you know for me
• 1:11:53
  sometimes that we talked about it on the pod before.
• 1:11:55
  I'm not the easiest guy to hunt with because I'm not, you know,
• 1:12:00
  I'm not, I'm not one to like toot my horn, but like hunting
• 1:12:05
  is the one thing that I know I'm very good at.
• 1:12:08
  You know what I mean? Like it is what I'm talented at.
• 1:12:11
  Like not like, like you like you're a talented editor and
• 1:12:14
  you're talented a lot of things, but that is the one thing that
• 1:12:18
  I'm like I, you know, I'm very good at, you know, So for me,
• 1:12:22
  sometimes it's tough to hunt with someone else where I'm
• 1:12:24
  like, dude, just like if I'm like the guide, I'm like shut up
• 1:12:28
  and listen type thing when that's a.
• 1:12:29
  Horrible. Way to be.
• 1:12:31
  And I kind of like, I'm not saying you did that, but like
• 1:12:34
  the first couple days you were given a lot of input and I'm
• 1:12:36
  like, oh, this is what it feels like when I do it to others.
• 1:12:40
  You know what I mean? Actually, I shit you not, dude.
• 1:12:43
  You taught me a good lesson just by us interacting.
• 1:12:46
  And then after that first day, the two of us learned much
• 1:12:49
  better. How?
• 1:12:49
  Like our first day was kind of rough, granted.
• 1:12:51
  Like I was tired of shit. You were tired of shit.
• 1:12:53
  Like I'm sure that played actors.
• 1:12:55
  I'm normally with people that I'm not only, you know, guiding.
• 1:13:00
  I'm like mentoring, right? And so I, I very quickly had to
• 1:13:04
  just remember like he's been hunting for 2025 plus years,
• 1:13:09
  like he does not need me to tell him how to hunt.
• 1:13:12
  Maybe just like where the animals might move.
• 1:13:14
  What, what kind of what have I seen while I've haunted yet?
• 1:13:17
  That's some valuable input for sure.
• 1:13:19
  Like leave you to just do your thing.
• 1:13:21
  But dude, like that, That's what I'm saying though, why I like
• 1:13:24
  hunting with others is because you never know what lesson
• 1:13:26
  you're going to pull from it. I actually learned and it's not
• 1:13:29
  a knock on you, it's just our first day.
• 1:13:30
  Like I said, learning how to work with each other, being
• 1:13:32
  super tired. And passionate.
• 1:13:35
  Both and, and both being passionate, like I learn now,
• 1:13:39
  like, oh shoot, you know what? When I say shit like that to
• 1:13:42
  Brianna or my dad, like, it probably makes them feel like
• 1:13:45
  like ass, like really dumb. And that taught me such a good
• 1:13:49
  lesson. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:13:51
  And it wasn't your fault. It wasn't my fault.
• 1:13:54
  And it was just like how we were interacting.
• 1:13:56
  And then by now, by day four, bro, like we've learned how to
• 1:13:59
  hunt with each other a lot better.
• 1:14:01
  We'll still like it's a. Very high success rate.
• 1:14:04
  Very high, yeah. I mean, we've shot.
• 1:14:06
  So our goal here was 5 things. Unfortunately, one of the
• 1:14:09
  animals we we aren't going to get a crack at, but we're
• 1:14:12
  replacing. Other things.
• 1:14:13
  Yeah, we're replacing that we. Do it in Yala and you can do a
• 1:14:16
  blessed buck. And you and you know, I want to
• 1:14:18
  go after another blessed buck. So that's going to be our plan.
• 1:14:20
  And if we get it, we're going to go 5 for five because 5 was our
• 1:14:23
  goal. I'll be very proud of that.
• 1:14:25
  So we're going to go out there. But there's a twist, there's a
• 1:14:28
  twist, there's a twist. You tell the twist.
• 1:14:30
  No, we're going to tell them now.
• 1:14:31
  When is this podcast coming out? We've left certain details up.
• 1:14:34
  It'll. Probably be out.
• 1:14:37
  It'll it'll probably be out next Wednesday.
• 1:14:40
  All right, that's not not this. Coming one the one after.
• 1:14:42
  That's not enough time. Yeah, let's just say we're
• 1:14:45
  putting the theory of camo to. Test the test.
• 1:14:48
  That's that's as much as we can, isn't that important?
• 1:14:51
  Yeah, and I, I know my opinion, but I'm.
• 1:14:54
  Going to hold it till after we do the video.
• 1:14:55
  Yeah, Oh, let's prove it. Yeah, let's prove it.
• 1:14:57
  Yeah. And I can't wait to get out
• 1:14:59
  there. So you also have shot a draft
• 1:15:04
  with a bow. Yes, I.
• 1:15:05
  Had. Now that's one that you know.
• 1:15:09
  Can. Give me an hot.
• 1:15:10
  Water, especially if you're in America and you post that like
• 1:15:12
  at. Least I'm not a dentist, you
• 1:15:14
  can't cancel me if I have no money.
• 1:15:17
  Exactly. So tell me, tell me about.
• 1:15:20
  Tell me, what was it like aiming up at something like because
• 1:15:23
  I've shot uphill, you know, I've shot like deer uphill.
• 1:15:26
  You're actually on flat, I'm assuming aiming up.
• 1:15:28
  Very flat look. It's almost like aiming for 100
• 1:15:31
  yard shot. It's the same kind of pitch, but
• 1:15:34
  it was more the training, the preparation, learning because
• 1:15:36
  it's the only animal. And I never told you this.
• 1:15:39
  I've got a hold like pitch deck to help people understand
• 1:15:42
  African hunting and shop placement, all that kind of
• 1:15:44
  stuff. It's the only African animal
• 1:15:47
  that's vitals are absolutely not in the same place as any other
• 1:15:50
  animal in Africa. If you shoot it where I've been
• 1:15:52
  teaching you to shoot all the other animals.
• 1:15:53
  Super forward it's. So forward, so you've.
• 1:15:56
  Got to hit them even further forward.
• 1:15:58
  Not up the leg. You're missing vitals.
• 1:16:00
  So you have to hit them like in front of the leg.
• 1:16:02
  Like that elbow that goes so far out that I always call it the
• 1:16:05
  boob. Wow.
• 1:16:07
  You have to hit them in that sweet spot over there.
• 1:16:09
  So it was training, understanding, and it was the
• 1:16:12
  third animal I've ever haunted with a bow.
• 1:16:14
  The opportunity came and I took it.
• 1:16:15
  So not only was I very new bow hunter, but I had to like learn
• 1:16:20
  a whole new species to understand how I must shoot it.
• 1:16:22
  So that was cool. The only time I've ever shot an
• 1:16:25
  animal with a fixed blade brought it.
• 1:16:26
  Oh really? Which one do you use?
• 1:16:28
  Two blade, 2 blade, single bevel oz cut.
• 1:16:31
  And what was? How was the performance?
• 1:16:32
  Pass through. Pass through broadside,
• 1:16:36
  broadside. Yeah, so it literally went like
• 1:16:39
  60. Dude, do you know how much time
• 1:16:43
  we have left? Can you check that real?
• 1:16:44
  Quick. Quick, little, quick little
• 1:16:46
  break. Oh, I did want to touch on
• 1:16:47
  something because you said you pass through that draft with the
• 1:16:49
  fixed blade. Yes, kind of a broken record,
• 1:16:54
  but it's always such a kind of a good topic.
• 1:16:57
  I for the first time broke into the 500 Club with my arrows
• 1:17:00
  weight wise and we blew through three of the four things like
• 1:17:05
  butter. Standing still on a hot day, I
• 1:17:08
  blew through by 10 yards into the dirt like crazy.
• 1:17:11
  Stuff. So.
• 1:17:15
  Are you saying you haven't had? That I'm somewhat intrigued.
• 1:17:18
  No, I do not. Normally I do not get many pass
• 1:17:21
  throughs. I'll be honest.
• 1:17:21
  And maybe the animals are harder that I'm hitting.
• 1:17:24
  That's definitely possible. But I've shot animal a lot of
• 1:17:28
  animals at shorter distances and not had pass throughs with my
• 1:17:33
  old setup. And again, that could be a body
• 1:17:35
  composition thing or it could be that these heavy.
• 1:17:41
  Arrows Heavy arrow makes for a nasty combination.
• 1:17:44
  Or it could be a combination, you know, both things.
• 1:17:46
  Kind of. Yeah.
• 1:17:47
  Dude, I got to tell you, I have been, I have been so impressed
• 1:17:53
  with the Arrows and the Broadheads performance, just how
• 1:17:57
  hard they're hitting stuff and just blowing so far through and
• 1:18:02
  then not only skipping, they're actually like digging into the
• 1:18:05
  dirt. A good half arrow length,
• 1:18:07
  sometimes into the dirt. 10 yards past the animal.
• 1:18:10
  That's incredible. And I know that you were the
• 1:18:13
  one. Actually, you're the reason I
• 1:18:15
  brought a 516 Green Arrow. Did you get that idea from Seppi
• 1:18:22
  at your shop or did you get it from YouTube?
• 1:18:25
  What made you kind of choose to go a little bit heavier than
• 1:18:28
  like, say, your standard 440? The dude that introduced me to
• 1:18:32
  bar hunting. Crazy fella.
• 1:18:34
  Good for we going hunting for our birthdays in May.
• 1:18:36
  I'm 7th, he's the 25th. We kind of go in between the
• 1:18:40
  18th and the 25th. So very good friend of mine, and
• 1:18:43
  he is, he was, unfortunately he's got a shoulder injury, so
• 1:18:47
  he has to shoot lighter because he's shooting not a pondage, but
• 1:18:50
  he was obsessed with who's the guy overseas that's always
• 1:18:53
  talking about heavy arrows that you guys talk.
• 1:18:55
  About branch fairy. Yes.
• 1:18:56
  So he was obsessed with ranch fairy ranch fairies theory.
• 1:19:00
  That's a tongue twister. And so he was obsessed with the
• 1:19:03
  six hundreds and the six 50s on just like average antelope.
• 1:19:06
  I was never there. I've never, I've always believed
• 1:19:10
  in a weight and a blend of speed is going to get you like
• 1:19:13
  anything you want to hunt. But yeah, I messed around.
• 1:19:16
  I started at 4:20, then 4:50, then 470, then 500, then 520,
• 1:19:21
  then 550. And I've been hovering around
• 1:19:25
  5:50 to 580 for the last 2 1/2 years, two years.
• 1:19:30
  And really the first time I built such a heavy area, the
• 1:19:33
  5:50 to 580, was for a survivor haunted, my first survivor hunt
• 1:19:36
  on the YouTube channel. No, it wasn't.
• 1:19:39
  It was my first walking stalk hunt and that is also on the
• 1:19:42
  YouTube channel. A female wildebeest, 33 yards
• 1:19:45
  frontal. She was actually in motion.
• 1:19:47
  To So is it frontal how I call it or how you call it?
• 1:19:51
  Quartering 2. Quartering 2, OK.
• 1:19:55
  I'm like, where did you shoot it?
• 1:19:57
  Yeah, like in the front. Well, frontal.
• 1:19:59
  No, quarter 2, so it was so it was quarter 2.
• 1:20:01
  So it wasn't like this. Yeah, she had her head turned
• 1:20:03
  and I put it down the. Side, OK, got it.
• 1:20:05
  Got it. And what was the penetration?
• 1:20:08
  It like came out her, behind her.
• 1:20:10
  Rear quarter. And that is a thick animal,
• 1:20:14
  thick animal. And it's not the soft stuff when
• 1:20:16
  you're sitting in front and it has to go through all the
• 1:20:18
  tissue, the muscle, the meat, the and it just blew through her
• 1:20:21
  33 yards. We got lung, heart, liver and
• 1:20:26
  then stopped in the she just went down on on camera.
• 1:20:29
  And so I was like, if I can do that to a Volder beast, I could
• 1:20:32
  pretty much do that to anything. And I've been shooting them
• 1:20:34
  since and then I wanted to go to a light arrow on this property,
• 1:20:39
  one of my last hands, 470 grains and but I used A2 inch broadhead
• 1:20:45
  server that locks open, but it has that swivel neck.
• 1:20:47
  Oh yeah, that's cool tip. But dude, it stopped like a
• 1:20:49
  freaking handbrake like 1 1/2 inches into the hide at 88
• 1:20:54
  yards. What was the animal bliss?
• 1:20:56
  Brook and it was a perfect. You didn't shoulder punch it.
• 1:21:00
  And it was like it was perfect double lung quite a bit back as
• 1:21:03
  well. Interest just didn't get
• 1:21:05
  penetration. And that bothered me because
• 1:21:07
  I've, I get postures on zebra. I mean, at 88 yards, my father's
• 1:21:12
  actually 76, a bliss Buck 88 and I recently I did a Bliss buck 99
• 1:21:16
  complete pass through and stuck into the ground.
• 1:21:19
  So I've never had that before. And I think that shy me away.
• 1:21:22
  But then when you built the 500 grand arrows, I thought to
• 1:21:25
  myself, it was it had to, I have to give it another chance.
• 1:21:28
  It was just a fluke thing. I don't normally shoot big
• 1:21:31
  cutting broadheads. I'm like a 1.5 kind of guy.
• 1:21:33
  And now they have a hybrid. So shoot the hybrid.
• 1:21:36
  And so I'm going to give it a go after all these.
• 1:21:39
  I was going to do it on a Saturday before you landed
• 1:21:42
  Saturday night, like reciting re tune re everything.
• 1:21:45
  But when I get back, I've got 470 grand 4mm Deep Impact
• 1:21:50
  errors. I'm going to change out the
• 1:21:51
  Fletchers because they are just too giant for such a small shaft
• 1:21:54
  and I'm going to give it a go. I'm going to see.
• 1:21:56
  I think you. Should performs on all these
• 1:21:59
  animals that I'm hunting. Yeah, I think I personally think
• 1:22:01
  for your test you should go lighter, but either what?
• 1:22:03
  String jumping. I think it'll.
• 1:22:05
  Help the string jumping. We saw it on this trip.
• 1:22:08
  Several times. I don't have it as much.
• 1:22:10
  Again, maybe we can get into that very short conversation.
• 1:22:13
  But Fletchers, I mean, no matter what, I mean, you've been
• 1:22:17
  shooting great. When we slow down that footage,
• 1:22:20
  exactly what you're aiming is where impact is made.
• 1:22:23
  But I do believe those, you know, like Boeing has incredible
• 1:22:27
  range of flitches. And I would have liked to see
• 1:22:29
  like a little bit low profile, rounded edges, keep it as quiet
• 1:22:32
  as possible. But we're smoking them.
• 1:22:35
  But I'm starting to realize if my arrow can just get there a
• 1:22:37
  little bit faster, I don't have to worry so much about how
• 1:22:41
  reactive they are. Because you saw on that bliss
• 1:22:43
  back at 70 yards, it was 2 animals away by the time the era
• 1:22:46
  got. Yeah, wasn't that crazy 2.
• 1:22:48
  Full body lays away. That was insane.
• 1:22:50
  Yeah, I would be interested for you to if you can reduce those
• 1:22:53
  arrows even. I'm gonna bring it down, I'll go
• 1:22:55
  on a hunt and I'll give you the data.
• 1:22:56
  Yeah, that's what I want. I want you to try it and see how
• 1:22:58
  it is like. I want you to Yeah, just.
• 1:23:01
  All archery is about confidence for sure, and confidence in your
• 1:23:05
  gear. Dude, and I'm telling you like.
• 1:23:06
  The guys that taught me were shooting 400 to 420 grain.
• 1:23:10
  Now they blew through everything.
• 1:23:12
  They killed everything they shot at.
• 1:23:14
  The only argument I make is the way we hunt, You know, hard hunt
• 1:23:19
  seems very easy. The water truffle, whatever is
• 1:23:21
  positioned, especially in Africa, it's positioned in a way
• 1:23:24
  that it forces them to be broadside, wait for the shot,
• 1:23:27
  execute it. The only thing you have to face
• 1:23:29
  is if they're a bit jumpy, then you know they're going to string
• 1:23:31
  jump you some bit. But it's a 20 yard shot, 25 yard
• 1:23:34
  shot. What we take is we have to take
• 1:23:37
  the shot that's presented to us before it's too close, that we
• 1:23:40
  don't have an opportunity. We are.
• 1:23:41
  And sometimes it's frontal, it's, it's quartering 2, it's
• 1:23:44
  quartering away. It's, it's weird stuff that we
• 1:23:47
  need our arrows to be able to penetrate more than just soft
• 1:23:50
  tissue broadside shots. And so that's kind of why I
• 1:23:54
  built a heavy arrow. But you're not that much longer
• 1:23:58
  and draw length than me. And the speed would make up for
• 1:24:01
  the weight that I'm going to be shaving off the arrow.
• 1:24:03
  And so I'm keen to Yeah, well, I, I think everything's
• 1:24:07
  opinionated. Oh, dude, guys are successful
• 1:24:09
  with 400 grams on a freaking bison.
• 1:24:11
  Guys are successful single bevel 650I.
• 1:24:15
  I think we need to shoot what we believe in.
• 1:24:18
  In the Bush. We go with confidence more than
• 1:24:21
  anything. Yeah, I, I totally agree.
• 1:24:23
  I think what whatever setup that you feel most repeatable with
• 1:24:25
  and most confident and comfortable in, that's what I
• 1:24:28
  think you should go with. This morning I saw guidepost.
• 1:24:31
  It's like a super old bow, like 20 years old.
• 1:24:34
  You can see like not a ton of money and gear.
• 1:24:36
  And they had shot a raid stag in New Zealand.
• 1:24:39
  And I was like, I told you, I'm like, I'm so happy to see people
• 1:24:42
  using like all the gear or more affordable gear because you
• 1:24:45
  don't have to get super focused on the gear.
• 1:24:48
  It's all about the confidence and the execution behind the
• 1:24:52
  apparatus or the bow or the crossbow, whatever you shoot
• 1:24:55
  him. Yeah, without question, without
• 1:24:57
  question. I almost entirely wear camo from
• 1:25:01
  Walmart, which is like a superstore super cheap budget
• 1:25:03
  store like this I bought for like so mega cheap.
• 1:25:07
  None of my gear is. I mean now that I have some
• 1:25:10
  sponsorships, I have access because you know me, I'm a cheap
• 1:25:12
  bastard. So like, but prior to having
• 1:25:14
  sponsorships, bro, most of my shit I had had for 15 years, you
• 1:25:17
  know what I mean? Even now still some like my
• 1:25:20
  range Finder at least I've had a decade at the least, you know?
• 1:25:24
  But it's not about the gear. It's really not.
• 1:25:27
  And I do shoot gear I like for sure.
• 1:25:32
  But gear is not going to make or break you being successful or
• 1:25:36
  accurate. It's just not.
• 1:25:38
  And maybe my sponsors wouldn't like me saying that, but it's
• 1:25:41
  the truth, you know? And I.
• 1:25:43
  Don't like seeing kids, you know, trying to afford a $2000
• 1:25:47
  boat because they, you know, watched a famous Influences
• 1:25:50
  video and I think they need that.
• 1:25:51
  Like you? Really.
• 1:25:52
  You really don't. No, yeah, you just refine your
• 1:25:56
  hunting, refine your hunting skills.
• 1:25:57
  If you get your ego wrapped up in it, it gets very expensive,
• 1:26:00
  but if you love hunting then you'll get anything in your
• 1:26:03
  hands so you can get out there and actually hunt.
• 1:26:05
  Facts. All right, I want to know about
• 1:26:07
  your, you've talked about it numerous Times Now, kind of your
• 1:26:11
  local bow shop. So I'll tell you about mine,
• 1:26:13
  Right. So in San Diego, we used to have
• 1:26:16
  three shops. Now we have 2.
• 1:26:18
  I go to one of the two and then the other one I'll go
• 1:26:21
  occasionally do practice indoor. So we have bow and arrow shop
• 1:26:23
  and then we have performance archery and I always go to bow
• 1:26:27
  and arrow shop. That's just where I've always
• 1:26:29
  gone. So that's where I go.
• 1:26:31
  And then it's it's great. There's kind of a sense of
• 1:26:35
  community there. There's good archery knowledge.
• 1:26:38
  There's people to work on your bows.
• 1:26:40
  I would assume that your bow shop experience is somewhat
• 1:26:44
  similar to that, you know, like, is that the case?
• 1:26:47
  Like what's what's what's some pro shop look like out here?
• 1:26:49
  Obviously. And what is there's a lot less
• 1:26:52
  pro shops because we just, we're a much smaller country, much
• 1:26:56
  smaller hunting community, especially in the archery
• 1:26:58
  business. But I work with a company called
• 1:27:01
  Magnum Archery. So they're up in Pretoria.
• 1:27:03
  It's like a 45 minute drive from me, but a very popular part of
• 1:27:08
  town, should I say. And yeah, I actually wasn't
• 1:27:12
  always working with them. I when I was running my YouTube
• 1:27:15
  channel, I was like a bit of an independent for about a year and
• 1:27:19
  a bit. And then I realized like I had a
• 1:27:20
  lack of access to gear. I couldn't do gear reviews.
• 1:27:22
  I couldn't do, you know, any of those kinds of things.
• 1:27:25
  And I was running out of opportunities to make proper
• 1:27:28
  content. And the same dude, James, that
• 1:27:32
  I'm going hunting with and introduced me to bow hunting is
• 1:27:34
  the same dude that introduced me to the owner of Magnum Autry
• 1:27:36
  Sippy. And we met February last year, I
• 1:27:40
  had 1000 Subs at the time. And he was just like, let's give
• 1:27:46
  it a go. Like I've got nothing to lose.
• 1:27:48
  You, you shoot a bow, you go do your thing, you bring it back,
• 1:27:50
  switch it off for another one. And you make your videos.
• 1:27:53
  And you know, he's a very long term kind of guy.
• 1:27:56
  He's like, I'm not going to reap the benefits right away, but I,
• 1:28:00
  I know you're going to make a success of it.
• 1:28:02
  And we're going to, we're going to bounce off of that success at
• 1:28:04
  some point in the future. And, and he just believed in me.
• 1:28:08
  And from there, I was able to tap into high end bows and high
• 1:28:12
  end gear and good bow technicians and guys that could
• 1:28:15
  teach me. And quite frankly, I don't think
• 1:28:17
  I'd be here today without, without him giving that
• 1:28:20
  opportunity because it was this very same guy that, you know,
• 1:28:23
  June last year, I called in to say that a big court case where
• 1:28:26
  an arrest went wrong. It was finally over and I can
• 1:28:29
  not have to explain to employers why I need to go to court twice
• 1:28:33
  a month without them thinking I'm just some scallywag and and
• 1:28:37
  he's in the same phone call was like, well, you won't believe
• 1:28:39
  it. I just told my wife this
• 1:28:40
  morning, I think I need to talk to you about, you know, doing
• 1:28:43
  YouTube full time and coming to help us out and get us, you
• 1:28:46
  know, more updated. And I resigned the following
• 1:28:49
  week and you know, every day, every day, or if not every week,
• 1:28:53
  he drawed like this is a stepping stone.
• 1:28:55
  You're not going to be here for long.
• 1:28:56
  He's like try and set us up, but you're not going to be here for
• 1:28:59
  long. You're not going to be here for
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  and you know, beginning of December, end of November, I
• 1:29:04
  told him I'm starting my own business and he was just like
• 1:29:06
  all in wanting to support me. So he's just been pivotal in, in
• 1:29:11
  being like that support structure, a ready and a
• 1:29:13
  successful entrepreneur. But he saw value in me, saw
• 1:29:17
  potential and future value in me.
• 1:29:20
  And he's just been, yeah, super pivotal in the reason I can do
• 1:29:24
  this for a living, The reason I can sit here.
• 1:29:26
  Well, I can hunt for the next three weeks making content and
• 1:29:29
  not sit in some cubicle or be on the road in some kind of
• 1:29:32
  shootouts and stuff like that and that kind of nonsense.
• 1:29:35
  Like just super pivotal in just like an engagement in February,
• 1:29:39
  an opportunity in June, constant motivation that I'm meant for so
• 1:29:43
  much more. And this is just a stepping
• 1:29:44
  stone to be in like my first client in my business that I
• 1:29:47
  started. So yeah, I'd say probably the
• 1:29:50
  most influential guy so far in the journey.
• 1:29:53
  So look at that a local bow shop led to like networking
• 1:29:58
  essentially that change your. Life again.
• 1:30:00
  I told you this, I wouldn't have known the gentleman that owns
• 1:30:04
  Zeelands River Safaris if I didn't get the opportunity at a
• 1:30:07
  Magnum and happened to be in the shop the day the guy that owns
• 1:30:10
  this comes in and says, my friend shoots a bow.
• 1:30:14
  And it really intrigues me because I've haunted with rifles
• 1:30:16
  for 30 years. And it's like, oh cool, let me
• 1:30:18
  get you set up. And he's like, well, you know
• 1:30:20
  how he talks my China, you must come hunt with us, my brew and
• 1:30:27
  and we just hit it off. And then that was my second
• 1:30:29
  client. And then I have the target
• 1:30:31
  business Wild 3D and it just snowballed from there.
• 1:30:34
  But it all stems from a dude. There was like this dude with
• 1:30:38
  1000 Subs that doesn't deserve the resources I'm about to give
• 1:30:41
  him, but I know he's going to make it someday.
• 1:30:44
  And I want to Piggy Bank off that.
• 1:30:46
  And so just incredible journey so far.
• 1:30:49
  Yeah, I mean, so often in life I've noticed and I've
• 1:30:52
  experienced as many times in my bike riding journey, my real
• 1:30:57
  estate journey, and now my hunting and archery journey as
• 1:31:02
  like what I did for a profession.
• 1:31:04
  Each one of those times it always took one big door opening
• 1:31:11
  and someone given me a shot. And beyond that, it's like you
• 1:31:16
  prove it, OK, they gave me a shot, I'm going to make it.
• 1:31:18
  Well, well worth it. Then you do.
• 1:31:21
  They might say something or someone else notices another
• 1:31:24
  door opens. Once you get that first big door
• 1:31:27
  open. Bro the Sky's the limit as long
• 1:31:31
  as you drill. Yourself a lower card and don't
• 1:31:34
  burn the bridge. Yeah, and don't.
• 1:31:35
  Bite the hand that fed you. Right.
• 1:31:37
  And and most importantly, like don't be a fraud, you know, like
• 1:31:40
  if you claim to provide a certain thing or like in my
• 1:31:44
  sense, like when sponsors work with me, generally it's that I
• 1:31:46
  provide viewership and constant output of content.
• 1:31:51
  Now if I signed with a if I signed a one year contract and
• 1:31:54
  companies paying me money and then all of the sudden I just
• 1:31:57
  stopped posting, that would be me essentially dropping the ball
• 1:32:03
  and being a fraud. Don't do that.
• 1:32:06
  Stick to it. Stick to it and you're good to
• 1:32:08
  go. But I I just think that's so
• 1:32:10
  cool. You got that door, couple doors
• 1:32:12
  open and it led to more doors and.
• 1:32:14
  And also do a good job looking after people that gave you that
• 1:32:16
  opportunity and other opportunities.
• 1:32:18
  Just like I've actually had to put a bunch of things on pause
• 1:32:22
  until the end of April. It's just a busy month.
• 1:32:25
  Like no, no client meetings, no potential, but these guys are
• 1:32:29
  literally opening doors just because you've looked after
• 1:32:31
  them. And that's be genuine.
• 1:32:33
  Look after the people that have looked after you and you'll go a
• 1:32:36
  long way. And you said it the other day,
• 1:32:38
  when people are switching friends and switching sponsors
• 1:32:40
  and switching people that they hang around with frequently,
• 1:32:44
  there's a problem. Be very, very careful with those
• 1:32:47
  people. And unfortunately, I've been bit
• 1:32:49
  by a couple, luckily not too many times.
• 1:32:51
  But I will say this, although the situation really sucked and
• 1:32:56
  I'm going to talk about it because I've mentioned it many
• 1:32:58
  times, I've never talked about it, but I'm going to talk about
• 1:33:00
  the situation probably in like the next podcast I do.
• 1:33:03
  But I'm in a way very grateful that I got burned so badly and
• 1:33:09
  out of pure spite and evil. You know what I mean?
• 1:33:11
  Like no, there was nothing true or grounded because you know
• 1:33:15
  what that did dude, That all that did was light a major fire
• 1:33:21
  under me and I, I turned into rocket fuel dude.
• 1:33:24
  When when that whole situation happened, I think I had maybe
• 1:33:30
  10,000 Subs and like 4000 on Instagram.
• 1:33:34
  Probably not even 1000 on TikTok or Facebook.
• 1:33:37
  Maybe they didn't even exist yet.
• 1:33:39
  Now we're at 100 on YouTube, 76 or whatever on Instagram, 27 on
• 1:33:46
  Facebook, 20 on TikTok, all since then.
• 1:33:50
  It like that was when it started.
• 1:33:53
  So because all it did was put wind in my sails that didn't.
• 1:33:57
  Change percent. So if you can.
• 1:33:59
  Use people that have evil intent to just say oh boy you've really
• 1:34:05
  messed up by going against. Well, we said it last night,
• 1:34:07
  make your success your revenge, if exactly, and not that that
• 1:34:13
  must be your motivation whatsoever, but you know, rather
• 1:34:18
  than stooping, sloping down and fighting at at their low level,
• 1:34:22
  focus on you, stay on the path, keep moving forward and your
• 1:34:27
  success will be your revenge. Bingo.
• 1:34:29
  And a lot of these people just want to pull you down and know
• 1:34:32
  what I'll. Crab in a bucket, we call it.
• 1:34:34
  You know what I've noticed, and this is something I haven't told
• 1:34:36
  you, but we speak so deep about all the stuff is people like us
• 1:34:40
  that shoot for our dreams, like quit a job and decide they're
• 1:34:44
  going to do YouTube full time with the company and all that
• 1:34:46
  kind of stuff. Like and really shoot for it.
• 1:34:49
  People have animosity towards us because we expose their lack of
• 1:34:53
  action towards their own goals and dreams and it creates
• 1:34:57
  insecurities and instead of acting on them, they lash out.
• 1:35:01
  And those are the people that are sending this the the shitty
• 1:35:03
  comments and shitting on you and, you know, trying, trying to
• 1:35:07
  tell you that you're a shit shot or whatever.
• 1:35:09
  Those are the people that just don't have enough going on in
• 1:35:12
  life or aren't going for the thing they want.
• 1:35:14
  And it's just creating this animosity that they're watching
• 1:35:16
  someone do it when they're not doing it.
• 1:35:19
  And so I always say, you know, you are exposing something in
• 1:35:25
  themselves that they don't like. Yeah, in a way it's a therapy
• 1:35:27
  session or like self self reflection session, you know,
• 1:35:31
  and I've been guilty of it in the past.
• 1:35:32
  When I was younger, there was a guy from my hometown that was
• 1:35:37
  kind of doing like early on, like YouTube influencing
• 1:35:41
  essentially like really early as far as like where we're at now
• 1:35:44
  and in YouTube. And I used to be like, I used to
• 1:35:49
  watch him out of like, Oh my gosh, look how trash that I used
• 1:35:52
  to be that guy. I really did.
• 1:35:54
  I'm not anymore. Hate.
• 1:35:55
  Jealousy disguised as hate. And now I'm a fan.
• 1:35:58
  Spoke about it a lot. Yeah, like yeah, we're me and
• 1:36:00
  that dude are friends now, you know what I mean?
• 1:36:02
  And like, but I'm never, I will never have that mentality
• 1:36:05
  towards someone again. It was just me being in a loser
• 1:36:07
  space and not like having a whole lot going on.
• 1:36:11
  And then you start to like, Oh well, the only reason they're
• 1:36:13
  doing it is because of Bobby. Like rather than doing it,
• 1:36:16
  you're just like making excuses. And I said it to you last night,
• 1:36:21
  it's easier for people to believe that they had the
• 1:36:24
  potential to be a success than rather shoot for it and fail.
• 1:36:30
  They would rather live, yeah, in an alternate universe of
• 1:36:34
  success, right? Then actually do it.
• 1:36:36
  Yeah, like a pretend thing. How do I could leave and I said
• 1:36:39
  it said I could I could do the videos that both asylums.
• 1:36:43
  You know, I could. Oh sure I could.
• 1:36:45
  Go ahead. But there's no, there's no
• 1:36:46
  action because they know the level or one, maybe they don't
• 1:36:51
  realize or overshoot their potential, but there's a chance
• 1:36:54
  of failing. And people are just so fearful
• 1:36:56
  of failing. Dude, so true man.
• 1:36:58
  And like I said, dude, I really appreciate you giving me this
• 1:37:03
  opportunity and kind of choosing me as the first one to to.
• 1:37:06
  Kind of not crying. I've got so much sun cream in
• 1:37:08
  the left eye. But dude, I I just.
• 1:37:11
  Appreciate you giving me the chance and, and believing in and
• 1:37:13
  believing that I would come out here and, and do a good job with
• 1:37:16
  you guys and. I'm just so glad we got along.
• 1:37:19
  Very similar personalities, similar hunters.
• 1:37:22
  I don't think I've ever laughed so hard on a safari drive as I
• 1:37:25
  did last night. I think our car hated us.
• 1:37:29
  Only one lady. We were the goofy kids at the
• 1:37:32
  back of the bus, but but it's been such a good time and to
• 1:37:38
  this is the power of YouTube. This is the power of social
• 1:37:40
  media. We're.
• 1:37:40
  Sitting here on the opposite side of the earth, together.
• 1:37:43
  And we had never met until the day you landed to come and sleep
• 1:37:46
  at my house. That's special, man.
• 1:37:48
  I mean, I, I, I know sometimes people like to especially, I
• 1:37:52
  don't know, sometimes people have a very bitter view towards
• 1:37:54
  the Internet. And if, if it wasn't for the
• 1:37:58
  Internet, there's absolutely zero chance we would ever cross
• 1:38:01
  paths. I've been sharing them. 100%.
• 1:38:04
  So I'm very grateful for that. I think you're a really good
• 1:38:06
  dude. I'm rooting for you.
• 1:38:07
  I hope, I hope we both go to the moon and, and just continue to
• 1:38:11
  grow and and and. I have a saying that's get to
• 1:38:15
  honey in me. You can't fail if you don't
• 1:38:18
  quit. Correct.
• 1:38:19
  Yeah, so true. So.
• 1:38:20
  True, you'll have dips, you'll have highs, you'll have lows,
• 1:38:23
  but you cannot fail if you don't quit.
• 1:38:25
  Well, brother, thanks so much everyone.
• 1:38:27
  Subscribe please to outdoors the tracking.
• 1:38:29
  Hands, but we're about to go throw a gillion and probably go
• 1:38:31
  get out of it again. No, we've had a few pops.
• 1:38:34
  Oh, no, no, we won't. We won't.
• 1:38:35
  We're gonna see we have a Jacuzzi.
• 1:38:37
  We're gonna hit. We're gonna try, yeah.
• 1:38:40
  We're rope back in, we're going to try a wood fired jacuzzi,
• 1:38:43
  which I is nuts I've never even heard.
• 1:38:45
  Of this so we're. I've never experienced it
• 1:38:47
  myself. So we're going to try.
• 1:38:48
  Put this in since the last time I've been.
• 1:38:50
  Here so we're going to try a wood we'll.
• 1:38:52
  Put it in the. Oh dude, we're eating zebra too.
• 1:38:54
  Like, there's kind of crazy. We're actually leaving right now
• 1:38:57
  to go do it ourselves. Yeah, so we're going to go
• 1:38:59
  process a zebra, We're going to eat zebra, we're going to try
• 1:39:02
  the hot tub. That's wood fired.
• 1:39:04
  And get a good nut. Probably do some target practice
• 1:39:06
  sleep, which we haven't done much of and really realistically
• 1:39:10
  we'll probably have another couple couple pops over while
• 1:39:12
  we're. Processing the zebra so.
• 1:39:15
  Animals that deserves a few. A few, yeah.
• 1:39:17
  We've actually done a good job. We did not have any beverages
• 1:39:20
  days. We did not get something, which
• 1:39:22
  has been a couple. Yeah.
• 1:39:23
  So we've actually been very good boys.
• 1:39:26
  If you're not including caffeine, we've been bad on the
• 1:39:28
  caffeine. That didn't even drink this much
• 1:39:30
  energy drinks but the alcohol you are bad influences.
• 1:39:34
  The alcohol, we've been fine. We we haven't really been
• 1:39:36
  hitting it, but the caffeine we've been hitting so but yeah,
• 1:39:41
  dude, I'm I'm so grateful to call you a friend now and I will
• 1:39:45
  always, if someone asks about you or whatever, I'll always say
• 1:39:49
  that you're legit dude and a good guy.
• 1:39:51
  So I'm excited to see where you go and, and we'll, I, I have a
• 1:39:56
  feeling this one. Is a lot of things in the
• 1:39:58
  future, Yeah. Whether I come out and check out
• 1:40:00
  your events sometime in the States or you come back with a
• 1:40:04
  couple of friends, whatever's going to happen.
• 1:40:06
  Yeah, I do think we need to get Brianna out.
• 1:40:07
  Yeah, she deserves it. She does.
• 1:40:09
  She's been trooping with you. Yeah, she deserves it dude, and
• 1:40:12
  I would love to just film for her and let her.
• 1:40:14
  Know this was like a pilot project, first of its kind.
• 1:40:18
  Yeah, testing the waters. There just wasn't.
• 1:40:20
  No. Sport, but we.
• 1:40:22
  Know it is a success yeah we have already made it a success
• 1:40:25
  before any videos have gone live yeah.
• 1:40:27
  And so we need to, if you ever come at least once more, we need
• 1:40:30
  to get Brianna at you A. 100% you know, it would have been
• 1:40:33
  great to have her this time, but like you said, being that it was
• 1:40:35
  a pilot, it just, it wasn't, it wouldn't have worked this time,
• 1:40:39
  but definitely next time. And I think if you had to come
• 1:40:42
  with her, we wouldn't have. You know, got to go under
• 1:40:44
  someone on one time. 100% and now that that's there, you know
• 1:40:47
  she can third wheel, that's fine.
• 1:40:50
  Exactly. Well, dude, thanks again.
• 1:40:52
  And guys, like I said, Outdoors with Travis, please subscribe to
• 1:40:54
  that. Check out Ewan's River Safari if
• 1:40:56
  you guys want to come check out hunting in South Africa.
• 1:40:59
  And yeah, we're finally monetized now, so I've got to
• 1:41:02
  push it as much. Today.
• 1:41:04
  Yeah, yeah, last night I think or today we're over 1000.
• 1:41:07
  So I appreciate you all for subscribing.
• 1:41:08
  Go ahead and hit it again, kind of doesn't matter now, but go
• 1:41:11
  ahead and keep hitting it and. Some Google accounts and.
• 1:41:14
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And five stars on Spotify, five
• 1:41:18
  stars on Apple, and we'll see you in the next one.
• 1:41:20
  I appreciate y'all appreciate Travis and we'll see you soon.
• 1:41:24
  Cheers.