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Brewsers #359- Toni Livers · Brewsers

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Bruisers podcast about beer, coffee, booze and bruisers.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Rody John and today we talked to
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  Speaker 1: Tony Livers. We talked about her moving to America from Germany,
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  Speaker 1: getting into martial arts, and so much more. Tony is
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  Speaker 1: doing absolutely amazing things in the world of MMA, and
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  Speaker 1: you definitely want to hear it from her and not
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  Speaker 1: from me. So without further ado, here is Tony Livers.
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  Speaker 2: I would like to welcome a show Tony. First, how
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  Speaker 2: are you doing today?
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing pretty good. How about yourself.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing well. So for those listening kind of paintings
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  Speaker 2: the word picture, where you at, what's going on around you?
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  Speaker 3: I am located in Utah. I am about thirty minutes
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  Speaker 3: up north from Salt Lake City, and well, I work
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  Speaker 3: from home. I spend most of the time at home
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  Speaker 3: if I'm not in the gym or I at my dojo
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  Speaker 3: or spending time with my daughter. So yeah, that's pretty
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  Speaker 3: much what it looks.
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  Speaker 2: How do you like it in Utah? I haven't been
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  Speaker 2: there in forever, so I don't know. I hear it's
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  Speaker 2: really cool. I've talked to a lot of people from
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  Speaker 2: there now and everyone's saying it's really cool up there.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, when I moved to the States, even though I
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  Speaker 3: had great, great friends out there, very loyal people, I
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  Speaker 3: just I'm just not a city girl. I love being
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  Speaker 3: in nature. I love being around the mountains and lakes,
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  Speaker 3: et cetera. And Utah is a jackpot for that. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I definitely like being here.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, let's dive into it. So you were born
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  Speaker 2: and raised in Germany and you came over here to America.
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  Speaker 2: How long have you been to America? And I mean,
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  Speaker 2: tell us what the move is all about.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I moved to the States in twenty seventeen
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  Speaker 3: March of twenty seventeen, and I met my ex husband
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  Speaker 3: in Germany. He played American football in Germany, and we
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  Speaker 3: tried to figure out this long distance thing, how we
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  Speaker 3: gonna do everything, and we just came to realize when
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  Speaker 3: I came to visit that this is just not gonna
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  Speaker 3: work for the both of us. We're both not really
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  Speaker 3: people for long distance relationships. So I decided in the
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  Speaker 3: end to stay out there, start my green car process
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  Speaker 3: and get my green card, et cetera. And yeah, so
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  Speaker 3: it's been since twenty seventeen. I got divorced about fourish
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  Speaker 3: years ago, three and a half years ago. But we
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  Speaker 3: have a beautiful daughter together. We're pretty good at co parenting.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, so I'm still here.
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  Speaker 2: What do you miss most about Germany?
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  Speaker 3: Definitely my family. So I have two childhood friends that
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  Speaker 3: I'm really or that I yeah that I am still
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  Speaker 3: really close with one of them, Max. He was my neighbor,
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  Speaker 3: so I knew him since I was like six years old,
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  Speaker 3: seven years old. And my best girlfriend, Risa, I know
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  Speaker 3: her or I knew her since I was nine years old,
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  Speaker 3: and we became best friends from the get go on
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  Speaker 3: when we met each other. So she has been my
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  Speaker 3: best friend for yeah, over twenty years now. And that's
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  Speaker 3: pretty hard. And also, you know, my parents, my siblings,
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  Speaker 3: my grandparents, my entire family is out there. I only
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  Speaker 3: have my daughter out here. So that's definitely that's a
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  Speaker 3: rough patch. That's like the dark side off moving you know,
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  Speaker 3: across the bag Sea. Yeah, that's definitely not so fun.
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  Speaker 3: But we try to go visit once a year in
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  Speaker 3: Germany and my mom usually comes once a year here,
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  Speaker 3: and yeah, we just tried to keep it alive as
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  Speaker 3: much as we can.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really good. I imagine that can't be easy,
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  Speaker 2: especially you have all the milestones of raising a kid
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  Speaker 2: and your you know, your parents and your siblings can't
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  Speaker 2: see it with you just they got to see videos later,
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  Speaker 2: and it's yeah, I imagine that's not an easy situation
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  Speaker 2: for you'all.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's not not at all. My mom hates it
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  Speaker 3: because my daughter is her only grandchild, so you know,
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  Speaker 3: she's missing a lot of the steps. Like you said,
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying. We're trying to stay in contact through like
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  Speaker 3: video call and everything, but with the time difference. We
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  Speaker 3: have a night hour time difference, so that makes it
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  Speaker 3: harder to write when I actually have time to call.
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  Speaker 3: There most of the time already asleep, so that makes
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  Speaker 3: it a little bit tricky. But she's actually here right
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  Speaker 3: now to visit and spending my daughter too, so yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's definitely. Those are always the good parts. You know,
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  Speaker 3: they always like pick up where they left off, so
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  Speaker 3: that's nice.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. That's amazing that they're here right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they love it well.
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  Speaker 2: So I also read that you got in a personal
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  Speaker 2: training after you got yourself out of a wheelchair. Tell
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  Speaker 2: us this whole story, because I got to hear.
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  Speaker 3: This, so not really a wheelchair. They just told me
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  Speaker 3: that I could end up in a wheelchair. So I
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  Speaker 3: played basketball. I started playing basketball when I was nine,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm just a very I don't know how to
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  Speaker 3: say that, just very ambitious and extreme when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to sports that I like to do it a little
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  Speaker 3: bit harder than it needs to be. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: cannot just see something just as a hobby. I usually
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  Speaker 3: commit very hardly to something. When I started, and when
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  Speaker 3: I was seventeen, I already had trouble with my lower
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  Speaker 3: back and with my knees prior to that, not just
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of trouble, like to the point where
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't really walk upstairs anymore. And I just forced
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  Speaker 3: myself to still go to practice and get through it,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, crying at night because like everything was dicerting,
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  Speaker 3: and I realized that I could like pop my hip
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  Speaker 3: bone in and out whenever I wanted to, but it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't as it wasn't really painful. But yeah, I came
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  Speaker 3: to find out then that I had a hip displasure
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  Speaker 3: on both sides, and that through the wear and tear
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  Speaker 3: and the way I have have been treating or not
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  Speaker 3: treating it. It got pretty bad, and my doctor told
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  Speaker 3: me that if I continue with sports the way I
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  Speaker 3: have been, I have two options. Either get a new
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  Speaker 3: hip or I'm going to end up potentially in a
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  Speaker 3: wheelchair because the carlage is just you know, pretty worn
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  Speaker 3: off around my joints and it's just yeah, it was
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  Speaker 3: pretty bad. And I stopped playing basketball then for about
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  Speaker 3: half a year. Then went to one of my teammates
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  Speaker 3: games watch and I was like, I just can't miss out.
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  Speaker 3: I can't do it. Just started it up again, and
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  Speaker 3: then I went back to the doctor again because I
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  Speaker 3: was in so much pain, and they're like, well, and
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  Speaker 3: that's exactly what we told you. It's only going to
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  Speaker 3: get worse. And that's when I really put a stop
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  Speaker 3: to it. And then I just started more of looking
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  Speaker 3: into what I can do for myself without getting a
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  Speaker 3: hip replacement at eighteen years old, right, because that just
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  Speaker 3: sounded like a nightmare to me. I didn't want to
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  Speaker 3: have a three year recovery, and like a recovery, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it was at that time they were talking about after
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  Speaker 3: like a year, you can walk and bike like you
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  Speaker 3: can walk normal and go on a bike and then
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  Speaker 3: after that you can slowly start jogging, but until you're
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  Speaker 3: back to being able to go fully into yours again
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  Speaker 3: would be about probably three years. And I just didn't
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  Speaker 3: want to do that, and that's how I got into
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  Speaker 3: the gym. So I started working on my muscle around
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  Speaker 3: my hips, my legs, my glutes, my lower back to
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  Speaker 3: make sure that everything is as strong as possible, stretching
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  Speaker 3: a lot too, and just working on keeping the bone
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  Speaker 3: in place or the joint in place where it's supposed
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  Speaker 3: to be by supporting the muscle mass around it. And
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  Speaker 3: that has actually worked really well for me. I sometimes
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  Speaker 3: still have some flare ups. That's always for me. The remanner, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: you got to start your exercises again, but so far,
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  Speaker 3: so good. I mean, it's definitely livable. It wasn't easy
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  Speaker 3: and it took a long time to get there, but
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  Speaker 3: I still felt like it was the better way than
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  Speaker 3: going with the hip replacement.
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  Speaker 2: So how did well? How's MMA training been going for you?
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  Speaker 2: Because obviously you have to hick and you got to
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  Speaker 2: do things with your hip and making a little harder
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  Speaker 2: than you know, running a basketball court, But like, how
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  Speaker 2: is that actually started up?
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  Speaker 3: So that started in it's been almost three years now.
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  Speaker 3: Actually in April mid or in April is when I
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  Speaker 3: started with boxing, So I was only boxing for about
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  Speaker 3: nine or ten months, and actually that's not quite true
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  Speaker 3: about nine months. And why that came. I just, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I was in the gym, I was working for myself.
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  Speaker 3: I you know, was working as a I worked a
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  Speaker 3: lot through social media, but I had my own app.
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  Speaker 3: I was doing micro coaching for people, building workout plans,
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  Speaker 3: doing one on one training and so on. I just
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  Speaker 3: felt like the gym wasn't giving me any more the
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  Speaker 3: satisfaction that I needed for myself. I would catch myself
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  Speaker 3: quite often in the gym being on my phone, answering emails,
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  Speaker 3: answering messages from clients instead of like investing the time
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  Speaker 3: into my So I figured, I'm going to try something
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  Speaker 3: new out that requires me to put my phone aside
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  Speaker 3: and not work during the time that's supposed to be
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  Speaker 3: for me and I. The initial plan was to do
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  Speaker 3: it like three times a week or so as a
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  Speaker 3: hobby on the side, to you know, balance out all
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  Speaker 3: the heavy lifting, and that turned that lasted probably three
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  Speaker 3: weeks and then I was just fully committed.
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  Speaker 2: Bar yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So it turned more into like seven to eight
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  Speaker 3: times a week versus three times a week a little bit, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and it completely took over. Then after five and a
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  Speaker 3: half months, I took my first boxing match one that
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  Speaker 3: then my coach asked me and some of my teammates, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: in four weeks, there's an MMA belt in Idaho. Do
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  Speaker 3: you want to take it? And I was like, well,
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  Speaker 3: I've never done anything besides boxing, never threw a kick
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  Speaker 3: in my life, you know, don't even talk about jiu jitsu.
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  Speaker 3: I had no idea, but I was like, you know what,
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  Speaker 3: why not. I mean, I'll find out if I like
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  Speaker 3: it or not, or how bad or good it is.
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  Speaker 3: So took that with a four week notice and then
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  Speaker 3: fight came with absolute hell because you know, learning so
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  Speaker 3: many new things, doing so many new things was just
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  Speaker 3: hard on my body especially, But I mean it worked
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  Speaker 3: out well for me in the end. I won my
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  Speaker 3: first MMA fight, and then I switched gyms and just
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  Speaker 3: kept going with it, so I had After that, I
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  Speaker 3: had one more MMA fight, then switched over to muy
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  Speaker 3: Thai for two fights, and then another MMA fight was
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  Speaker 3: not this past December. Yeah, and that's where it's at.
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  Speaker 3: And now I'm waiting to hear back from one of
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  Speaker 3: our matchmakers for another Multai fight, and so far no luck.
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  Speaker 2: But I think, us, how's your hip holding up?
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  Speaker 3: With all? That?
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  Speaker 4: Actually much better than I thought it would be because
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  Speaker 4: I feel like that the variety in training with jiu jitsu,
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  Speaker 4: muay Thai, kickboxing and everything that just is a different
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  Speaker 4: type of pressure on your body versus.
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  Speaker 3: Squatting three hundred and fifty pounds, right, And I feel
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  Speaker 3: like I have had less problems with my hip. I
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  Speaker 3: sometimes have flare ups, especially like in fight camp when
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  Speaker 3: I run more through that constant pressure the same way.
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  Speaker 3: That's where I feel it a little bit more about
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  Speaker 3: outside of that, I gotta say my hip has given
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  Speaker 3: me the least problems with fighting than it has before because,
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  Speaker 3: like same in the gym, I just started going very intensely.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't like this girl that went four times to
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  Speaker 3: the gym and just you know, wanted to look at
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  Speaker 3: certain way. I just wanted to make sure that I
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  Speaker 3: improved like every week at least a little bit. And
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  Speaker 3: then I got a coach for squatting to maximize my
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  Speaker 3: squad more and get better form on it and so on.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I definitely took a toll on my body
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  Speaker 3: somewhat too. I also lost weight through fighting, so I
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  Speaker 3: used to walk when I was lifting, obviously much more
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  Speaker 3: muscle mass too. I was walking at like one sixty
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  Speaker 3: one sixty two and now I walk it like between
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  Speaker 3: like one forty eight to one fifty two. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 3: I lost a lot of muscle mass, but I also
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  Speaker 3: lost more body fat. I sit at normally between like
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  Speaker 3: eight and ten percent body fat, which I know is fairly.
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  Speaker 2: Low for a few minutes for women. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just with the way that I train, it
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  Speaker 3: just it's hard to keep on. It's not even like
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  Speaker 3: that I don't eat. I have no hormonal problems or anything. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: just with the way I trained, I just cannot keep
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  Speaker 3: it on.
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  Speaker 2: How So, Okay, I want to touch on a couple
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  Speaker 2: of things. What you mentioned it in you said pounds
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  Speaker 2: as opposed to quilo. How long for you mentally did
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  Speaker 2: it take you to switch things? Being over here in America?
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  Speaker 3: It took forever. That took absolutely forever. I even with
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  Speaker 3: celsius and degrees. Yeah, in the beginning, I would say
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  Speaker 3: I would assume probably it took me like three to
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  Speaker 3: four years to get more hang of it. But as
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  Speaker 3: soon as I started having more and more clients out
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  Speaker 3: here that I worked with, when it came to like
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  Speaker 3: macronutrients and weight loss and you know, getting them ready
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  Speaker 3: for competitions or something like that, I had to know
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  Speaker 3: what it is, you know. So yeah, but I would
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  Speaker 3: say it took me definitely solid two years to get
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  Speaker 3: more used to it. And now I actually gotta say too,
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  Speaker 3: I have a harder time with When my mom, for example,
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  Speaker 3: asked me, I told her I was like, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be like in the mid seventies this week, and
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  Speaker 3: she's like, well, and what is that in Celsius? Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 3: that's that's a fair point. I was like, I guess,
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's warmer, I guess around the twenties, and
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  Speaker 3: I was right around the twenties, you know, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Celsius is definitely now. I know, I know how warm
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  Speaker 3: it is when I hear the degrees celsius versus fahrenheit,
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  Speaker 3: but I cannot tell you exactly. Okay, seventy five degrees
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  Speaker 3: fahrenheit is that in celsius? You know, the calculation between
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  Speaker 3: those two is terrible. Yeah, it doesn't make a whole
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  Speaker 3: lot of sense.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, my brother moved up to Canada and he's
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  Speaker 2: up there with his wife, and so he'll talk to
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  Speaker 2: us about stuff and he'll he'll try to do the
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  Speaker 2: math himself. He's like, oh wait, it's a fair knight there,
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  Speaker 2: it's Celsius here. So yeah, I'm always curious when people
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  Speaker 2: come from other countries and they got to figure all
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  Speaker 2: this fat.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not that easy in the beginning, that's for sure,
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  Speaker 3: but you do get you do get it handled eventually.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean you're unforced right, without a doubt.
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  Speaker 3: Talk to people here and you tell them, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 3: twenty five Celsius, that's great, and they're like, okay, and
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  Speaker 3: what what does that?
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean for me? In shariaype?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 5: And then the other thing I wanted to touch on, So
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  Speaker 5: I've always had this thought where I think, like you said,
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  Speaker 5: where if you're you're doing the same workouts on a
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  Speaker 5: regular basis all the time, your body is going to
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  Speaker 5: start then having the aches and pains of those motions
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  Speaker 5: over and over again.
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  Speaker 2: And then you said, how when you are doing a
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  Speaker 2: variety of training, your body is not so much hurting
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  Speaker 2: as much because again, you're you're keeping it guessing on
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  Speaker 2: a regular basis. Is that kind of the key for
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people to do, because I know that
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  Speaker 2: when people are getting in the gym or getting into
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  Speaker 2: any kind of fitness, you need to find what you
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  Speaker 2: are in joy and you know, I think you need
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  Speaker 2: to try a little bit of everything, truly find what
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  Speaker 2: you enjoy and then maybe do a little more of that.
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  Speaker 2: But I also think it's good for people to do
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  Speaker 2: a lot of other different things because, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: you're keeping your body guessing. You're not doing the same
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  Speaker 2: thing over and over again.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say I've I just needed to find
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  Speaker 3: something for me that I can do in an extreme
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  Speaker 3: manner without compromising everything, you know, And I am aware that,
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  Speaker 3: especially with MMA, you can run into huge problems. I'm
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  Speaker 3: fully aware of that. But the way my training has
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  Speaker 3: changed overall, I mean, I'm training now for muscle endurance, right,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not lifting super heavyweights. I do still go to
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  Speaker 3: the gym on a regular basis, but my workouts look
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  Speaker 3: completely different, right, And the only pains that I usually
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  Speaker 3: have is obviously after if I it can happen, yes,
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  Speaker 3: But outside of that, it's more of muscle thorness, and
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  Speaker 3: not my joints hurting really bad, you know where I
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  Speaker 3: had really bad problems for years with my lower back
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  Speaker 3: because I had a bulging disc from lunges, you know,
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  Speaker 3: lunches with a weight on my back. And I did
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  Speaker 3: a bodybuilding competition in twenty nineteen so that I could
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  Speaker 3: relate to my clients and you know, not just know
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  Speaker 3: what to do in theory, but actually relate to how
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  Speaker 3: it is to go through prep and do everything you're
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  Speaker 3: supposed to be doing, and also the consistency and discipline
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  Speaker 3: with it. And I developed through this low intake of
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  Speaker 3: fats on a daily basis, which obviously it screws up
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  Speaker 3: your hormones too. But I developed arthritis in my right knee,
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  Speaker 3: so things like that, you know. And I'm not really
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  Speaker 3: a person that likes to take medications. I tried to
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  Speaker 3: do it with nutrition as far as I can, or
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  Speaker 3: keeping it, you know, as basic as I can. I
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  Speaker 3: do use some supplements, but also they are nothing crazy.
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  Speaker 3: I use like here in their protein. I use my
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  Speaker 3: greens and my magnesium religiously for gut health and for
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  Speaker 3: sleep and recovery. But I'm not crazy when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to things like that. I just think you need to
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: find something. You need to know what type of person
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: are Are you someone who needs this one hundred and
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: twenty percent or are you someone that just wants to move?
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: And I think if you're just someone who wants to move,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: the gym is amazing, right keeping your muscle mass alive
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: and making sure you're maintaining or gaining a little bit
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: is great. I just think, for example, I'm not I
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: tried CrossFit, like you said, you should try everything. Just
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: so you know, I tried CrossFit. I'm not a big
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: fan because I think I'm too competitive with myself for
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: that sport and that just gets me more injured than
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I need to be. But it can be a great
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: support for others. So I feel like you really, like
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: you said, you really got to dive into what are
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: you needs? What do you want to get out of this?
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: But I also have to say that when I was
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: lifting really heavy, I also made sure that I go
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: once or twice a week to a hot yoga class.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so that I'm not the whole time only
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: doing this intense lifting regimen, and that has helped a lot.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was. I think the same thing I know,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: I just actually I had done doing a yoga session
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: here at the house because I didn't have time to
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: go to the gym today. So I was like, Okay,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I need to do something. And I've been wanting to
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: do more yoga at home anyway for flexibility, and I
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: could definitely tell in my hip joints that I definitely
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: need some more of it, because as much as I
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: do stretch after every workout, you know, you need a
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: full thirty forty five minutes sometimes to like fully get
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: some good stretches. And then you know, there's stuff on
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: YouTube for days about you know, doing stretches or yoga
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: or whatever it is. So you just have to find
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: your resources and use it properly exactly.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and also like actually dedicate time to it, right,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, you don't go to the gym to stretch.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: You go to the gym to work out, and you
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: do a quick cool down stretch, which usually usually it
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: ends up to be like ten maybe fifteen minutes. What
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: do you work out is sixty ninety minutes, you know,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: so like the bounce between those two is obviously a
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: little bit off. So I think too, like doing some
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: type of stretches it's just important. I gotta say, too,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: guilty as charged. I haven't stretched a whole lot since
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: starting to fight, but it's also you stay more flexible
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: with you know, with your headcakes with jiu jitsu, and
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: I do always make sure that I do warm up
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: with opening up my hips, making sure that I you know,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: that my hips are how they're supposed to be, that
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: my legs feel find that my lower back feels fine
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: before I start.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, what does recovery kind of look like for
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: you now, because, like you said, you're not doing so
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: much of the stretching, but I imagine there's so many other
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: things that are so beneficial as well.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually, I just recently started out with some pepti
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: to help with recovery because it's just a natural source, right,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, taking amino acids that are already are alive
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: in your body and just you know, helping your body
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: out a little bit. I just feel like it's a
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: good way to do it. I started using gluta ion
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: just for oxidative stress, making sure that recovery is better
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: on point. Mental clarity is important too, obviously, and especially
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: during fight camp. I do get an IV once a
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: week with usually with magnesium, vitamins and glue to ion
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: to help with that. On Sundays. Honestly, Sundays, I'm the
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: laziest person you can find. I don't really do anything
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: when I have my daughter. Obviously, the weekends I have
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: my daughter, so we have our custody is split fifty
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: to fifty, so it's always every other weekend. The weekends
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: I have her, we definitely do something. We get outside
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: if we can, or do something that she enjoys. But overall,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: suddenys are definitely very relaxed and for recovery. Now, I
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: want to start going to a place for that. It
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: just has everything in one right. They have like red
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: light airp, they have a red light sona, they have
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: a cold plunge, etcetera. So I want to make sure
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: that I get maybe every other week in there too,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: especially when I can tell like, Okay, my body feels
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: pretty fatigued. I need some extra help. So I definitely
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: want to dive into that a little bit more. And
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: also it's more of like, you know, my training doesn't
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: really change from fight camp to not being in fight camp.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: The only thing that really changes is I run more.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: I do more cardio or I do like the ear
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: bike and stuff when I'm a fight camp a little
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: bit more than when I'm not in fight camp, and
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: your mindset changes during practice, right, you train a lot
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: more intentional, so you definitely you can definitely feel the
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: difference there too. And it's just good for me that
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: it's not like a huge shock to my body when
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: I go into fight camp because my training is pretty
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: much the same. But yeah, I can definitely tell difference.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: I'm a little more tired, I'm a little more fatigue
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: during that time, and I needed to make a switch
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: there too. I had this fight camp where I knew
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: who I was going to fight and when I'm going
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: to fight fairly early. Usually my fight camps are about
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: six weeks. That fight camp, I knew twelve weeks prior
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: who I'm going to fight and that I'm going to fight,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: so I started right away, and that was just too
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: long and too much for my body. Twelve weeks of
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: that intents, training with the cardio et cetera, I was
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: just a little too much. And then I just flipped
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: it all around. I made a schedule, specific schedule for
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: my training. When I go to my Dodgo specific schedule
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: for when I go to the gym and when I
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: run into my cardio, and I stuck to that. I
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: didn't try to squeeze anything extra in anymore, which was
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: hard for me in the beginning because I always think
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I need to do more. But it truly paid off.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: I felt so much better in that next fight, and yeah,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: it helped me a lot. So I think recovery can
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: look to different for anyone and everyone. I sometimes go
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: to the hot tub too and try to recover that way.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: But I also you know, I do my weight cuts
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: in the bathtub, so taking a relaxed bath is not
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: really so relaxing for me anymore because that's usually like,
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: oh my god, I need to lose this weight. So yeah,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: it's a little different now, Yeah, for sure.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean as much as it's obviously as a
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: physical sport, it's also a mental win. And you kind
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: of mentioned earlier about when you are in camp mentally
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: you are in a much different space. But when you
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: are leading up to it or even right afterwards, how
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: do you kind of mentally handle everything, like you know,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: right before the fight, maybe coming down off the adrenaline afterwards,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, do you kind of prep. I've noticed a
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: lot of fight camps they will try to prep that
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: during maybe a couple times before the fight actually happens
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: inside the gym where they have a ton of people,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: because having a ton of people as opposed to training
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: in front of like five people is a huge difference
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: because of the fact that you know you're getting all
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: that energy off everybody, or like somebody saying one thing,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: it gets stuck in your head or whatever it is.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: How do you mentally kind of handle all of that.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so when it comes to fight cam, I have
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: never really been a person that gets easily influenced by
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: other people or I never you know, how people say, yeah,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: that's my celebrity crush. I never had that in my life,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: and I also thought I'm weird maybe, but I just
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: didn't have that. I have more of this mindset of
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I know what I want to get better at, and
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: I'm going to talk to my coaches about what I
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: have to do in order to get there, and just
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: focus on that. I mostly just listen to my coaches
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: to my boyfriend. He's a fighter too, so that's more
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: of who I stick to. Right, Like my closest circle
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: from my dojo and my boyfriend and just stick with that. Honestly,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: walking out in front of a bunch of people has
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: not intimidated me as much. I don't get necessarily super
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: nervous before fights. I am more of concern about will
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: I perform the way I prep myself or the way
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: I have been prepped by my coaches, or am I
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: gonna disappoint myself? And that's more of like where where
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: like the I don't want to call it anxiety, but
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: where like some doubts sometimes can come in, right, You
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: can sneak in where you think, like, have I really
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: done enough? Have I worked hard enough on those skill
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: sets that I want to use? Can I trust my
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: coach when he tells me, how tony you're ready, you're
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: looking sharp? Is that actually true? Right? You know? It's
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: it's more of that for me. I train mostly with men.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: There's not We have a couple of females, but none
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: of them spar anything. So I'm very used to sparring
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: with men, going against men, doing jiu jitsu, rolling with men,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: so that can be pretty humbling because obviously they're naturally
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: stronger than me, but it also helps you a lot
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: in the fight. Itself, because there's a huge difference and
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: getting punched by a full grown man then getting punched
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: by a full grown woman, right, And I remember I
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: walked into this one fight and I have a beautiful
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: tendency of dropping my lead hands. So I got clipped
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: and I was like, that's it. If that's it, then
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: I'm fine. Then I don't even worry about getting punched
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: because it doesn't hurt me. You know. The mix of
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: adrenaline that's coming in that obviously helps with that part two.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: But also being so used to my training partners and
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: their intensity helps a lot, helps a lot. And then
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: so far, honestly, my last fight has been mentally the
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: worst for me because I was pretty much sick my
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: entire fight camp. We couldn't really figure out what was
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: going on, but I just kept losing weight and too
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: much weight. I was so far underweight that I couldn't
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: even fight at the weight that I was supposed to
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: fight at. And yeah, so that was mentally really hard
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: on me, and obviously physically too because I just had
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: no energy. I couldn't really keep any food down and
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: went during fight camp then to my doctor to get
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: blood work done to figure out what is going on?
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Because I was just clueless, and they figured out that
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: my cortisol levels and just overall inflammation levels were just
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: through the roof and my body just spit pretty much
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: anything and everything out except water, LIUs. So I was
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: drinking a bunch of coconut water and trying to keep
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: up with that and putting electrolytes in there so that
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: I get at least a hydration in that my body needs.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: And it was a struggle. And the day of the fight,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: I said already I texted with the promoters and they
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: know me well and I'm on good terms with them,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: and I told them. I was like, hey, guys, I
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: just want you to know that physically, I'm not in
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: the best shape right now. I keep losing weight. I
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: don't know what to do about it. But I'm not
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: going to quit. I know how hard fight camp is
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: for other females. I'm not going to leave for hanging.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: If this is going to be my first loss, then
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: it is what it is, and that's fine. But just
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: so you know, that's just what it is. I don't
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: want to disappoint you guys, because I know you guys.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: You know they we have just a good connection. I
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: don't want them to feel like I'm just taking this
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: for granted or anything. And then the day of the
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: fight came and I told my boyfriend he drove me
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: and he was actually cornering me too. He was my
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: second corner, so my head coach and my boyfriend were
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: my corners. And he asked me. He was like, how
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: are you feeling, Tony, And I was like, honestly, not
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: nervous or anything, but I just don't want to fight tonight.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: I just don't want to because I know that I'm
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: not myself right now. I don't have the enthusiasm I
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: usually have, I don't have the energy I usually have.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: And he said, okay, but what do you have. I
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: was like, well, I'm not stupid, so I have that
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: point for me. He was like, okay, then, just to
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: focus on working with that, focus on what you can do,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: what works for you, don't get in stupid situations, and
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: just try to keep your energy alive as long as
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: you can. I was like, okay, you know what, That's
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: just what I'm gonna do. And I mean it worked
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: out for me in the end. It's definitely not a fight.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I'm super proud of and I talked to my opponent
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: after too and apologize for you know, she I mean,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: she has seen mother fights. She knows that I'm usually
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: way more aggressive, and I just apologize and explain myself
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: and we ended up being friends. Now we actually trained
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: together sometimes. It's actually pretty cool. Yeah, but I know
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: that into game for a lot of people is really hard,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: and like being nervous of having their friends out there,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: having other people out there hearing other things. I don't
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: really have that problem, but I'm definitely really hard on myself.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: I haven't lost a fight yet, and I am acting
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: like after every fight like I have lost because I'm
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: just really really hard on myself. And I know that
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: that's not good either. I should be able to enjoy
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: things like that, but I have a hard time doing
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: and I have a hard time giving myself credit. It
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: can be a good thing, right, for progress, but it's
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: also for you where you're like, come on, Tony, you
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: have achieved already a thing or two. Why can't you
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: just give yourself some credit for a second at least,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: you know, or just for a night?
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, right, yeah, I just enjoy the moment and then
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, later you can take all you want.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I definitely got to do better at
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: that for sure.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean just added to the list of things
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: you got to start working on in progress. Exactly. That's awesome. Well,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I have a segment of the show. I call it
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: the five count It's just five random questions.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, one second, I just gotta I set myself in.
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: An alarm so that okay, all right, all right, good
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: to go.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Good. Well, so yeah, I have a segment I called
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: the five counts five random questions.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Number one. What are you nerding out on right now?
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Oh? Actually it's and it's not just right now. It's
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: been for about a year now. There is this German
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: author who writes pretty much like it's like a thrillers
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: hears or more like it's uh, it's the police in
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Sweden and it's just like they're you know, just like
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: criminal stories and stuff. And I listen to these audio
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: books I actually know the second time. So definitely nerding
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: out on that. I cannot I cannot read like slow romance,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: just normal novels or something. It has to be either
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: a very extreme story or thriller or something you know,
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: private investigation, etc. That has really a crazy twist to it,
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: and they are doing an amazing job at that. So
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: I am whenever I go on around. When I go
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: to the gym, people think I listen to music the
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: whole time, all of the time. I don't. I just
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: listen to my audiobook.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. I love that. Number two. If you owned
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: a liquor company, brewery, winery, coffee shop, or dispensary, which
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: one would you own and what would the name be?
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Oh god, I don't mine hundred percent know all you
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: said right now, but I would sell quila.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: I don't drink I don't drink coffee. I don't drink beer.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: I don't drink a whole lot of wine either. I
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: like only white wine if I drink wine. So it's
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: tequila for sure, and I would call it Tony tequila.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it's right there for you, the double tea.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: And number three, what would your last mealbe?
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, very first thought right now was definitely pancakes, bacon
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: and eggs. Oh yeah, I love breakfast. And a lot
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: of people think I don't eat a lot because I'm
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: very lean, which is quite the opposite. I do eat
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: a lot and I'm obsessed with breakfast, so French toast, pancakes,
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: waffles sometimes depends. They have to be made pretty well,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: but pancakes is a hard go too, so it's probably
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: something with pancakes.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Love that. Yeah, that's that's perfect. Number four. Who or
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: what inspires you?
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: My daughter? Mostly, I would say I never had really
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: I always thrived off of discipline. I'm very good at
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: keeping a routine alive and just stick to it. I'm
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: not very emotional when it comes to stuff like that.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: I'm very logical. When I know I have to train
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: and I don't have time later for it, then I
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: get up at three thirty am. I don't really, it
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: doesn't really bother me. It is what it is. And
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: I never had, Like I said before, I never had
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: like a celebrity crush or something someone that I truly
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: looked up to. I looked up to my grandparents on
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: how they handled their relationship and how they stuck together,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: even though that's difficult in between. But definitely my daughter
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: being a mom is probably the coolest thing I've ever done.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: And you know, just spending time with her. She comes
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: with me even to five am practice in the morning,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: she gets up at four thirty am with me and
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: goes with me there. She comes to my fights and
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: she just likes what I do. I like having her
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: around and she can feel that and she just feels
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: comfortable wherever we go, and it's it's a pretty cool thing.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I would say.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: My daughter, that's super cool. And number five, what would
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: you tell your seventeen year old self?
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Oh? God, seven people, It was actually a rough one.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: So I don't know if you saw that, but I
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: have a skin condition called videligo, so I.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Didn't want to bring it up. So I know that
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: you probably talk about it so much, but yeah, yeah,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: you talk about it all you want. Yeah.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So it started when I was fourteen and it
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: was just like little dots on my eyelids and it
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: was fine. But then it started slowly spreading a little
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: bit more and it wasn't by any means to the
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: extend it is now. I mean, now, even if I
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: were to try to cover it up, then I would
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: just you know, have to walk around like a mummy,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: because yeah, yeah, exactly I could do that and then
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: it would be covered up, mostly probably because it is
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: on my hands, to my eyes everything, but with seventeen,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: so I developed like little spots under my armpits and
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: on my elbows, and they were tiny, but I thought
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: everyone was able to see them, and everybody would yut
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: to me for it. And you know, when you're seventeen,
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: you kind of just want to look like everybody else
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: that you just want to look normal, feel normal, be normal.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: And that just wasn't the case, or at least it
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: felt for me like it wasn't the case, and I
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: hated it. I was standing in front of the mirror
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: so many times, and I always ask myself, why me,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Like why does this have to happen? Like it's it's
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: just not normal? Why do I have to deal with
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: something like that? I was putting on makeup, even though
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: I don't like wearing makeup, Like you can catch me
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: twice a month maybe with like makeup on, you know,
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: it's there was like a bunch where I just tried
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: to cover it up, and I was pretty rebellious too,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: And I think that was just part of it that
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: I just, you know, wanted to have my character in
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: front of anything else so nobody would pay attention to
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: that those parts that are like my insecurities and what
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: I would tell that person or myself back then, would
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: be that the time will come where you just accept
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: it and you're completely embraced and you're just fine with it,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: You're at peace with it. You just got to give
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: it a little bit of time.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's true, And thank you for sharing that.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I beg I knew it was something that you have
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: still go through, but I you know, I imagine you
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: talked about it so much that I didn't want to
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: bring it back up again.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's totally fine. I really I don't mind talking
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: about it. And I know I still meet grown women
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: and men that struggle with it so hard, that try
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: to cover it up or and they try so desperately
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: to find something that cures it. And I got to say,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: I just got now to a point where I don't
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: even really care if it's cured or not. I don't
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: care if I turn to alb albino.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: At something or not.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: I just I don't care. It's I just realized in
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: the end, it's just skin. Obviously in the summer it's
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: a little bit more difficult to deal with because you
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: really got to pay attention due to skin cancer too,
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: right that you use your your sunscreen on a regular basis.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: For me, for example, it's like I have to put
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: it on like every forty five minutes when it's actual summer,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: otherwise I will burn and those burns can get pretty bad.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: It's you swell up and it's just like blisters and
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: pretty bad pain. Or I got a fever from it
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: one time too, So definitely got to pay attention to it.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: But I just you know, when I see adults that
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: still struggle so much with it, I just think they
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: need to hear sometimes from other people that just have
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: learned somehow to deal with it. And I'm very open
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: about it. I'm happy to help other people with it too,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: or just share my experience with it, because you know,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: you do get comments that are just absolutely unhinged. But
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, those are people, right, They have probably their
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: own story too. They don't know what else to do
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: with it, and it might be easier to let it
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: out on somebody else versus dealing with it, and that's
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: just what it is. I don't mind it anymore at all.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: I don't mind talking about it. I don't mind showing
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: people what it looks like, because in the end, it's
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: just skin, you know, I'm not sick. I just, you know,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: just got two tones that I'm walking around with.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I also loved what you mentioned earlier about, you know,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: how you just wanted to look normal and really, at
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, what is normal?
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: And obviously nothing really is normal? And how many people
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: really are paying attention to the normal people when the
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: non normal people are far more fun to be around.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Very true, It's just, you know, it's hard to look
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: that far when you're so close to the problem, right
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: And yeah, like I said, you know, at seventeen, it's
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: just about going with the trend, going with the flow
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: what everybody else does. And at that time, I was
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: the only one, you know, that had the skin condition.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Everybody else was quote unquote normal. That made it just
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: a little harder. But honestly, I would still say I
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: had a good childhood. My teens were great too. None
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: of my friends were giving me, like any weird comments
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: about it. They didn't even really see it. To them,
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: it just didn't matter that it was there. So I
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: really cannot say that I had too many bad encounters.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: But I'm also not a not a person that keeps
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: a lot of people around them. I like my few
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: people that I do a lot with and that I
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: can count on and they can count on me. But
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not like a person that is super outgoing, talks
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: to anyone everyone got in the world and shares their business.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'm glad you shared your business and talk
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: to us today. So I appreciate you so much for
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: being on here. If people want to find out more
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: about you, follow you online, support you in any way,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: how can they do so?
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: I would say best one would probably be Instagram. I'm
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: more active on there. I have TikTok and Facebook too,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: but I wouldn't say I'm as active on there. The
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: part that I don't let socially out in person, I
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: do let out on Instagram for sure. I am not
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: shy on texting people back. We're sending a video out
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: to someone to explain something, to talk about something. So
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: I'm more than happy to connect on there if they
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: want to.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, perfect, Tony, thank you so much for your time.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I'd love this so much, and yeah, I can't wait
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: to see what the future holds for you.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, John.
• 43:57
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