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Sanjeev Kohli · Not Another Football Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to an episode of Not in a Lot of
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Speaker 1: Football Podcasts with myself, Simon don Let and my friend
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Speaker 1: Jackie Mike in Amara and our next guest as the
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Speaker 1: legend himself.
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Speaker 2: See that way, I'm good.
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Speaker 3: But the problem is you can call something from Scotland
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Speaker 3: legend because we don't take compliments well and that's when
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Speaker 3: we get a vibe because I don't know. Do I
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Speaker 3: want to stab you now because I don't know what
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Speaker 3: to do?
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Speaker 2: A lot of positive established maybe have you noticed this?
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Speaker 3: Maybe not a particularly Scottish thing, but if you want,
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Speaker 3: if you want to find out most most of okay,
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be slightly gender specifically. If you want to
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Speaker 3: find out where a woman but her outfit for how
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Speaker 3: much it cost her? Tell us she looks nice, you
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Speaker 3: look lovely.
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Speaker 2: Pre Mark. I'm not a store detective. I'm genuinely trying
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Speaker 2: to compliment you.
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Speaker 3: It's really it's it's how you know yourselves when people
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Speaker 3: are checking compliments and when you get called legends all
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Speaker 3: the time.
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Speaker 2: I personally don't think you know that. I'm true. You
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Speaker 2: have to slay a mythical beast.
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Speaker 3: Before you call the legend, I think, But no, it's
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Speaker 3: it's it's a strange one. I think it's something that
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Speaker 3: defines Scottishness. Is part of it is is that taking praise,
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Speaker 3: not taking praise, not praising each other. If we like you,
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Speaker 3: we slag you, because God forbid we should say the
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Speaker 3: nice about you.
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Speaker 2: The best band speeches. There's your chance to tell your
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Speaker 2: best part of about you love.
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Speaker 3: Him and you just talked to him about how he's
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Speaker 3: got a baldy patch and there's zero just tell me
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Speaker 3: love him politic legend will take it.
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Speaker 2: Low self esteem, low self esteem. On that note, and
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Speaker 2: on that note.
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Speaker 4: It's come to just listen to your world cup song.
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Speaker 3: Yes, so I I've always been kind of musical, most
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Speaker 3: love music and well, okay, so I grew up as
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Speaker 3: youngster three boys, and it's quite interesting culturally because growing
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Speaker 3: up in an Asian household in Scotland, right, so, we
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Speaker 3: didn't have Rolling Stones albums and Beatles albums and God
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Speaker 3: Sydney Divine albums in our house. We had Bollywood soundtracks
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Speaker 3: and seek devotional songs, which is fine, but when you're
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Speaker 3: nine years old, you're like, I want to listen to
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Speaker 3: what Davy in my P one class is listening to.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I wasn't in P one when I was nine,
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Speaker 3: cause I addressed that I've got my numbers wrong.
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Speaker 2: There I repeated three years.
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Speaker 3: So what happened was my eldest brother ran Deep his
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Speaker 3: best pale at school. His dad was in a Deep
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Speaker 3: Purple and a Zeppelin, so my brother got into that
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Speaker 3: via his pal's dad. So when I was nine ten
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Speaker 3: years old, I was listening to a lot of chart music.
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Speaker 3: I was obsessed with Radio one, but also heavy metal,
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Speaker 3: so I'm listening to Rainbow and Deep Purple and Gillan
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Speaker 3: and the Scorpions and stuff. My first ever gig actually
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Speaker 3: was at the end of our playhouse and it was Rainbow.
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Speaker 3: When I was thirteen. My brother took me with his
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Speaker 3: pals and my mom actually dropped us. My wee mom,
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Speaker 3: who's a five foot four and jubby women right drove
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Speaker 3: us in revolvo and waited at the gig and all
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Speaker 3: these scary looking rock as the bat and she's absolutely
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Speaker 3: cacking it.
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Speaker 2: But they were the loveliest guy she ever met.
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Speaker 3: They're often her chips, and they couldn't believe that she'd
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Speaker 3: you know, you, you brought your boy to the gig,
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Speaker 3: because that's the thing about rockeruse they look scary, but
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Speaker 3: they're they're big kids.
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Speaker 2: So I grew up kind of with a heavy metal
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Speaker 2: rock kind of thing.
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Speaker 3: But I got seriously to hip hop when I was
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Speaker 3: maybe fourteen fifteen, and through that discovered the samples, So
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Speaker 3: through that got to soul music like R and B
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Speaker 3: kind of James Brown, Parliament Funkadelic, Sliming, the Family Stone,
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Speaker 3: Aretha Franklin, that kind of thing. And then I was very,
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Speaker 3: very lucky because I went to UNIT in eight eighty
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Speaker 3: nine and that was when dance music properly exploded.
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Speaker 2: So I was got in a sub club every Friday.
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Speaker 3: Saturday Sunday for like three four years and just dancing
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Speaker 3: until five in the morning. And that was all beats
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Speaker 3: and dance music. So yeah, eclectic tastes, I would say,
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Speaker 3: there's not There's not much I don't like. I never
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Speaker 3: really fully got to handle on country music, which is
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Speaker 3: interesting because it made a massive comeback now. And I
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Speaker 3: don't get wrong Dolly Parton. I think she's an absolute genius.
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Speaker 3: You know that story that she was that she wrote
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Speaker 3: I Will Always Love You and Joline in the same day.
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Speaker 3: She's fantastic. I love like the Breecho, Flying Burrito Brothers,
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Speaker 3: Johnny Cash is fantastic. But you know, the New Country,
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Speaker 3: I just don't know who the people are and I
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Speaker 3: haven't quite got a handle on that yet.
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Speaker 2: But most other kinds of music I love.
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Speaker 4: And obviously we're going to touch on your World Cup song?
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Speaker 4: Is that the first time you have your twenty?
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Speaker 2: That? Actually no, no. I I used to In fact,
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Speaker 2: I can't believe I think I said this to you, Jackie.
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Speaker 3: I used to write for remember Off the Ball when
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Speaker 3: it started. I was involved from the get go. I
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Speaker 3: auditioned to present the first series of Off the Ball
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Speaker 3: in ninety four, which was so long ago that will
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Speaker 3: win got you two points? That's how long ago that was.
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Speaker 3: It was the next they changed because that season the
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Speaker 3: change change. Yeah, so so there's Off the Ball. I
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Speaker 3: didn't get the gig. This lanky Canadian guy called Greg Hemple.
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Speaker 3: What happened to him? He got the gig, but they
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Speaker 3: kept me and Tom callen On and a guy called
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Speaker 3: Dean Ross as these kind of regular studio guests. So
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Speaker 3: I did that for one year and then they binned
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Speaker 3: me quite rightly because the thing was I love football
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Speaker 3: but didn't go to games so you know, I'd never
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Speaker 3: been to Petogy tank carso I'd never been any steps
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Speaker 3: back in these places. Right, So I thought, fine, I
5:21
Speaker 3: probably shouldn't be presenting the show. But it became off
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Speaker 3: the ball and on the ball. So off the ball
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Speaker 3: was the kind of the format we know with Stuart
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Speaker 3: and Tim. But the on ball was with sketches. So
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Speaker 3: I became a sketchwriter. So I started writing comedy sketches,
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Speaker 3: no training or anything, but I'd watched loads of comedy,
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Speaker 3: so I think, okay, right, I'll apply the rules that
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Speaker 3: I think. And I'm sure told you this. I think
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Speaker 3: I actually maybe I've told you this Boyzone had a
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Speaker 3: song called it was the band Girl settled Down that
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Speaker 3: one the father, father and son and I wrote a
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Speaker 3: verctually called the boy Zone and you two are in it.
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Speaker 2: So it's it's it's.
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Speaker 3: Yeah because at the beginning, because it was it was
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Speaker 3: rab Christie for Kian and was it Ford anyway? The
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Speaker 3: guys that are doing the voices I remember the beginning
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Speaker 3: is I'm Jackie, I'm Simon.
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Speaker 2: Who the other two who who'd have been? Who were
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Speaker 2: the guy?
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Speaker 3: Who are the young guys when you were maybe maybe Phil,
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Speaker 3: maybe actually.
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Speaker 2: Was so, so what was it a proper it was?
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Speaker 2: It was a spoof? Yeah, I mean, I'm really I
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Speaker 2: feel really bad.
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Speaker 5: Might have been.
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Speaker 3: I feel really bad for saying this because it's just
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Speaker 3: completely unfair and and I hate this about football and
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Speaker 3: football culture that you can just slag people.
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Speaker 2: But I did it because the.
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Speaker 3: Last lines were because we've got Tall, We've got Pierre,
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Speaker 3: and we got rid of falcon Air and when we
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Speaker 3: found I'm sorry, mate, I just I did it because
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Speaker 3: it rhymed with Pierre, Okay, So I apologize twenty thirty
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Speaker 3: forty years later.
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Speaker 2: So I so that was. I used to write we
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Speaker 2: Musical Paradise.
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Speaker 3: I used to write for Goodness Gracious to Me the
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Speaker 3: Agent's Ketch as well and Tune the Fat. And I
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Speaker 3: didn't write songs for Tune the Fat, but I did
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Speaker 3: write a couple of things for for Goodness Gracious Me
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Speaker 3: so and I always I got a keyboard from a
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Speaker 3: nineteenth birthday which I used to knock up out on.
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Speaker 2: There's a scene ninety tape somewhere of these kind of
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Speaker 2: dance tunes.
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Speaker 3: I could have been a Damski, but I know, let's
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Speaker 3: it's on a seen ninety tape on my mom's garage,
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Speaker 3: so I was always kind of dipping my toe in
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Speaker 3: a wee bit. I got involved with the musical project
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Speaker 3: called Grand Gestures. So basically how that came about was
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Speaker 3: there's a guy called Jan Burnet who was a brilliant,
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Speaker 3: brilliant musician. He's in a band called Spacenaire who was
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Speaker 3: sort of half donee half Glasgow. And we were Facebook
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Speaker 3: friends and we just got chatting about music generally and
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Speaker 3: and he said, look, this is a bit left field,
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Speaker 3: but have you ever written music? I said, well, like
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Speaker 3: like I've said to you, kind of comedy stuff. And
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Speaker 3: he had this musical project. He said, what I'm going
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Speaker 3: to do, what a plan to do is, I'm going
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Speaker 3: to do the music. But I'm right, I'm asking friends
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Speaker 3: and colleagues to write and call the lyrics. Some of
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Speaker 3: them are in the business, some of them aren't. And
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Speaker 3: I think, you know, would you fancy it? And I
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Speaker 3: said that sounds amazing. And at that time, I just
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Speaker 3: I was on Twitter and I'd started doing this weird
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Speaker 3: kind of thing where I wonder what christer Berg's doing
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Speaker 3: right now. It's just a stupid thing, right because he
8:18
Speaker 3: probably doesn't have to have a work again because the
8:19
Speaker 3: lady in red. Right, So I imagine the scenario where
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Speaker 3: christ Berg's has going about board, buying stuff he doesn't need. Right,
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Speaker 3: He's in the Apple shop now buying an iPad case
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Speaker 3: for an iPad he doesn't have, and he hasn't bought
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Speaker 3: an iPad because he bought a laser disc because he
8:32
Speaker 3: thought that was gonna be the future. He bought Jurassic
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Speaker 3: Pocket laser disk and then it died. That's ourd So
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Speaker 3: I just invented this kind of backstory for christ Bird
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Speaker 3: cutting about board, and then when Jan approached me, I said,
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Speaker 3: I need to write that into a song.
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Speaker 2: So I wrote a song called I Wonder what christ
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Speaker 2: Berg is doing right now?
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Speaker 3: And the way I kind of shaped it was the
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Speaker 3: first two verses of me just speculating about what the
8:52
Speaker 3: third verse is. It turns out I'm a stalker and
8:55
Speaker 3: I've been through his bin. So I'm pulling out a
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Speaker 3: dairy Lee rapper. I'm writing about him, putt dairy lean
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Speaker 3: as the Zanya and pulling seashells out has been because
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Speaker 3: he makes seashell mirrors. Anyway, So me and Jan did
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Speaker 3: four or five songs together. Actually where I did the
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Speaker 3: lyrics and then we did live performances. We've done like
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Speaker 3: three or four gigs like sporadically through the year.
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Speaker 2: So I have it my toe.
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Speaker 3: I'm a frustrated musician. So what happened with this song?
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Speaker 3: It's called back in the Game?
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 3: So there's a brilliant song by Echo and the Bunnyman
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Speaker 3: called The Cutter. I think they're one of the best
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Speaker 3: bands that I've ever lived, and they're British. I happened
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Speaker 3: to think that Britain, Scotland, England, Britain, Whale, the whole bit.
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Speaker 3: We still punch above our weight when it comes to comedy,
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Speaker 3: music and football. Actually, I think those are the ones
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Speaker 3: that we still for a wee nation, we do pretty well.
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Speaker 3: And I love Echo on the Bunnyman. And so the
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Speaker 3: song The Cutter so crack and pop tune, and it's
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Speaker 3: one of those pop tunes which gives you real value
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Speaker 3: for money because you've got the it starts off as
9:56
Speaker 3: it starts off, and you've got this middle bit. We're
9:58
Speaker 3: just sores into this kind of major chord thing and
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Speaker 3: I've always loved it and it sounds we buil at
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Speaker 3: bagpipes and I always thought they should commit fully to
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Speaker 3: lean into the bagpipes because it's really uplifting. So that
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Speaker 3: melody's always been in my hard drive, so I had
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Speaker 3: it in my mind that that has to be a
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Speaker 3: football chant. So when Scotland looked like they might they were,
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Speaker 3: you know, getting close to qualifying, I made a deal
10:21
Speaker 3: with myself almost to make it happen. I said, if
10:23
Speaker 3: Scotland qualified, I will write the song. And they qualified,
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Speaker 3: so I wrote the song, and I just wanted to,
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Speaker 3: you know, cause I'm fifty five. Right the first World Cup,
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Speaker 3: I remember I was seventy eight. I mean I was
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Speaker 3: four in nineteen seventy four, but I never I wasn't
10:37
Speaker 3: aware of it. I think maybe my family came to
10:41
Speaker 3: Glasgow when I was three. I just wasn't quite old
10:43
Speaker 3: enough and I went to Primary one the next year
10:45
Speaker 3: and that's when I really got into playing football. So
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Speaker 3: I just wasn't aware of the seventy four squad, which
10:50
Speaker 3: is a shame because what I scored.
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Speaker 2: I mean I during.
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Speaker 3: COVID they started showing old football games and they showed
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Speaker 3: the Scotland Brazil game from seventy four. Scotland should have
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Speaker 3: beaten in Brazil day. They were amazing and the talent
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Speaker 3: on show like Jimmy Johnston, Yeah, everyone is fantastic. So
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Speaker 3: I wanted to write a narrative about how we used
11:08
Speaker 3: to qualify for everything, you know, like that qualified again.
11:13
Speaker 3: We needed a break in ninety four and then obviously
11:16
Speaker 3: the baron years where we were always third, always in
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Speaker 3: the playoffs. But now we're back and back in the game.
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Speaker 3: Just was It's obviously it's like a set expression, but
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Speaker 3: it's like back in the game four model syllables did
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Speaker 3: but that has to be the title.
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Speaker 2: And so that was it. And the worry with when
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Speaker 2: you write a song.
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Speaker 3: That's what I say, like like like a songwriter, but
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Speaker 3: if you're writing a narrative, you're like, well, it can't
11:42
Speaker 3: be too long because it's the song. You want to
11:44
Speaker 3: contain it. So I was trying to be quite kind
11:47
Speaker 3: of concise with it. And I absolutely really want to
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Speaker 3: write a verse about the Denmark game, which I did,
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Speaker 3: so I was quite proud of myself that I managed
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Speaker 3: to sort of tell the story.
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Speaker 2: It was about.
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Speaker 4: So she the writing process that before the Denmark game,
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Speaker 4: I did you wait too?
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Speaker 2: After that? Everything I had thoughts, so an idea the idea.
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Speaker 3: So what I do is because when I used to
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Speaker 3: write sketches and stuff, I would put ideas on my
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Speaker 3: notes on my phone. And I had one football Sounds
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Speaker 3: football song, right, and I put random notes in it. So,
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Speaker 3: for example, there's my favorite line in the song is
12:19
Speaker 3: fueled by high cholesterol and those, so that was in
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Speaker 3: my notes. And I wanted to write something about kids
12:25
Speaker 3: playing football on the Xbox, which I've done yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: And so I had kind of a rough structure, so
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Speaker 3: I knew, right, it will be about Scottland being brilliant,
12:35
Speaker 3: than not being brilliant, then being brilliant again, and then
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Speaker 3: I wanted the the ethos to be gets to the
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Speaker 3: playoffs now not quite as negative as dilementary, which is
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Speaker 3: don't come home too soon, which I loved.
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Speaker 4: Me sanging that one.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's a crack in tune.
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Speaker 3: But and I love justin curring dilemity. I think they're ferents.
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Speaker 3: I think they're really underrate it. Actually they seem to
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Speaker 3: like that. They've got a global against that Scotland don't
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Speaker 3: know about. But the I wanted to.
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Speaker 2: I didn't, Yeah, I didn't want to be right away. Well,
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Speaker 2: this is yeah, I don't have a pressure on the boys.
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Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't want it to be as bolls.
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Speaker 3: Out as we're on the march with Ally's Army, which
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Speaker 3: is another banger.
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Speaker 2: And also you've got we.
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Speaker 3: Have a dream too, which which is fine because you
13:22
Speaker 3: can say that without being possible negative. Actually, see if
13:27
Speaker 3: we get around and making a video for this, I
13:30
Speaker 3: want a shot of Andy Cameron holding a placard saying
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Speaker 3: we're on march with Stevie's Army. I want a shot
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Speaker 3: of John Gordon Sinclair with a plat card saying we
13:38
Speaker 3: still have a dream. I want a shot with Justin
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Speaker 3: Curry with a plat card saying, seriously, lads don't come home,
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Speaker 3: just as we met our reference to to the generations
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Speaker 3: that have traveled with the Tartan Army and stuff. So yeah,
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Speaker 3: I didn't want it to be overly positive overly negative.
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Speaker 3: I just wanted to tell the story and I didn't
13:56
Speaker 3: want to be all you know, I put bad pops
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Speaker 3: in it, but I didn't want to be all that thing,
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Speaker 3: you know, like missting castles and this, and I just
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Speaker 3: wanted to be about the football more than nothing else,
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Speaker 3: and that that arc so I'm very pleased with it.
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Speaker 3: I think it's a I do think it's a buyer.
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Speaker 3: I'm pleasing Tom Yuriy, who's an absolute genius. He's the
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Speaker 3: guy that's done all the music. So he came around
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Speaker 3: my house record of the lyrics and bless him. Tom
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Speaker 3: doesn't like football beat the sense of drama. He knew,
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Speaker 3: totally knew how.
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Speaker 2: To build it, build it, build it, build it, build it.
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Speaker 3: And then the pipes coming. I must have met us
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Speaker 3: practically in tears when I heard it the first time.
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Speaker 3: So I'm pleased with it. God knows what will happen
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Speaker 3: with it, but I'm glad it's out there. Yeah, I'm happy.
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Speaker 3: I'm glad it's out there. And we're still working on
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Speaker 3: how to get it out there, but yeah.
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Speaker 2: We started.
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Speaker 4: Obviously, you're about it seventy four, so you're saying seventy eight.
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Speaker 4: What other kind of World Cup memories do you have?
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Speaker 2: Then?
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Speaker 4: Did you?
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Speaker 2: Were you lucky enough to no?
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, it was always I remember in
14:50
Speaker 3: eighty two we were on holiday in Malaysia because my mum,
14:53
Speaker 3: my dad's sister stays in Malaysia. I remember watching the
14:56
Speaker 3: New Zealand game at something like three in the morning
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Speaker 3: and we had to persuade the neighbors at the Tellion
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Speaker 3: for us and all that, and I've got strong members
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Speaker 3: of that, but I never ever went to World Cup or.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, my dad, we went away for the month. We
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Speaker 5: drove Carabine everything.
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Speaker 6: In the first game, the brazil game when David scoring
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Speaker 6: upset with you there, yeah, in the Scotland in Scotland,
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Speaker 6: then the wee story, we're going up to the stadium
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Speaker 6: just before it was all the Brazilion the first time
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Speaker 6: we kind of experienced that, and he'd all the Brazilion
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Speaker 6: fans and my granddad was with us walking around to
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Speaker 6: going to the stadium, and then the Brazilion TV cameras
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Speaker 6: had stopped him and he said do you mind to
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Speaker 6: do a quick interview, and there's a lot of Scottish
15:43
Speaker 6: fans around him.
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Speaker 5: Mcgranna was like, yeah, no problem. He says, what do
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Speaker 5: you think today?
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Speaker 6: Mcganna says, well, my heart tells me Scotland, but my
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Speaker 6: head tells me Brazil and all the Scottish fans started
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Speaker 6: doing them around them and these week guys like that
15:57
Speaker 6: was brilliant.
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Speaker 5: Can we do that again?
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Speaker 6: Didn't record properly and then so sad to my grandad again,
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Speaker 6: so what do you think today?
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Speaker 5: My granddad said, oh, Scotland, we did well up until
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Speaker 5: we upset them.
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Speaker 6: And but you're watching that football member just as a
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Speaker 6: young boy, like dreaming like Brazil and oh my god.
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Speaker 6: It was just it was just like watching a different
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Speaker 6: level of football, you know, even as a young boy.
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Speaker 3: They get put it but didn't. But it wasn't a
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Speaker 3: case of the they should have. They didn't game managed,
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Speaker 3: did they. They decided just to still play football.
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Speaker 5: It was like a globe trotters.
16:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's yeah. They should have shut they should
16:48
Speaker 2: have shut the door and they.
16:51
Speaker 4: Get the hat trick and rosy the New Zealand game
16:54
Speaker 4: that you're talking about there, I watched that recently. Someone
16:58
Speaker 4: popped up the two go effectively put us out because
17:01
Speaker 4: I think we were cruising and then they pulled two
17:03
Speaker 4: goals back out of nowhere. Yeah, and subsequently that knocked
17:07
Speaker 4: Is it difference?
17:08
Speaker 5: Yeah, yessr unbelievable.
17:10
Speaker 2: I've got really strong memory. As soon as running that game,
17:13
Speaker 2: he was fantastic. I don't to remember.
17:16
Speaker 4: Hi guys, just a big shout out to all our
17:18
Speaker 4: new members, thanks for joining up. I hope you've enjoyed
17:22
Speaker 4: all your giveaways, all the little bits of extra that
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17:26
Speaker 2: What do we need to do?
17:27
Speaker 5: Jackie the links and descriptions said, climb down below cheers.
17:33
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's I've got.
17:36
Speaker 3: One of my strongest welcome memories was nineteen ninety. Right,
17:40
Speaker 3: So my brother got married in nineteen ninety And this
17:43
Speaker 3: isn't the Scotland memory, this is actually England. So my
17:46
Speaker 3: brother got married on the day that England were playing Cameroon, right,
17:50
Speaker 3: So I don't know if we've been a seat wedding. Nope,
17:54
Speaker 3: the Still Game wedding episode is based on my wedding. Yeah,
18:01
Speaker 3: I was briefly tell you seek weddings are huge. I
18:04
Speaker 3: mean you're talking at least five kud of people, right,
18:07
Speaker 3: And me and my missus get married, right. We neither
18:10
Speaker 3: of us was religious, so we had just like a
18:12
Speaker 3: registered wedding, but my dad had in fact detail this
18:17
Speaker 3: story before that. I proposed to Fiona in Crinan, which
18:23
Speaker 3: is like kind of towards it's beyond the open, and
18:27
Speaker 3: I proposed to and she said yes, And then we
18:29
Speaker 3: couldn't tell anyone because we didn't get any phone service.
18:32
Speaker 3: Till we got to loch Fine. So we drove to
18:34
Speaker 3: loch Fine and found a patch of service in the
18:37
Speaker 3: in the in the oyster bar. So Fiona phoned her sister,
18:41
Speaker 3: her mom and dad passed away. She phoned a sister,
18:43
Speaker 3: big squeals down the phone, and then I phoned my
18:46
Speaker 3: dad and my dad. So to give you a vision
18:48
Speaker 3: for my dad. My dad is devided without a turban
18:51
Speaker 3: and not quite as weigy. So my dad like this,
18:54
Speaker 3: checked the brish in your card, checked the brush and
18:55
Speaker 3: your dads just checked pressure everywhere, and you bastard something.
18:59
Speaker 3: So I phone, I phone my dad and the reds
19:02
Speaker 3: on and come round do the house. We will have celebrations.
19:05
Speaker 3: So between Locke find to my dad's house lived in
19:09
Speaker 3: calvinside what nineteen minutes, one hundred minutes. He'd phoned all
19:12
Speaker 3: the hotels in Glasgow, right, so twenty sixth of August
19:15
Speaker 3: is three, which would be good for the English school alreadays.
19:17
Speaker 3: At Christ's sake, he's already made the phone calls, so
19:21
Speaker 3: we just let him get on with it. So so
19:24
Speaker 3: we booked the Moatthhouse to tell in Glasgow, and there
19:28
Speaker 3: was going to be six hundred people I'd say I
19:29
Speaker 3: knew maybe on hundred and fifty of them, a lot
19:31
Speaker 3: of them were accounted and I didn't know. And uh,
19:36
Speaker 3: my Fiona says, so what's the deal with the evening guests?
19:39
Speaker 3: So she said, so what's so, what's happening with evening guests?
19:43
Speaker 3: And my dad said, what is evening guest? It's not
19:46
Speaker 3: a concept, he said, And we'd explained the exactly, so
19:50
Speaker 3: we'd explain to my dad an evening guest is someone
19:52
Speaker 3: you don't quite like.
19:53
Speaker 2: To have to get.
19:56
Speaker 3: Everyone in my son's wedding would be fed and watered,
20:00
Speaker 3: so that's what seat wedding is. It's like free booze,
20:02
Speaker 3: free drink, free food. And by the way, Mother India
20:05
Speaker 3: did the catering. Even hard and racists love Mother India's food.
20:11
Speaker 3: So it was a magic day. And my brother's wedding
20:13
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety was a similar deal. It was a big,
20:15
Speaker 3: big It was at the Norman Day in Renfrew because
20:20
Speaker 3: that was all the Indian weddings were at the Red
20:23
Speaker 3: Fruit because the only one that we would do outside catering,
20:26
Speaker 3: and so obviously in the wedding is what Indian food,
20:29
Speaker 3: so brilliant brilliant wedding. And my cousin is in a band,
20:34
Speaker 3: a bunder a band called Bombie Talkie, right, and the
20:37
Speaker 3: singer so we're all dancing about. It's really really good
20:40
Speaker 3: night dancing about. And my mom had set up a
20:46
Speaker 3: TV in one room for the kids. So basically it
20:49
Speaker 3: was like the nineteen ninety so big j lo ass
20:51
Speaker 3: TV and a VCR and it was cartoons just for
20:55
Speaker 3: board kids.
20:56
Speaker 2: Really lovely thing to do.
20:57
Speaker 3: So they're watching cartoons in one room and the singer
21:00
Speaker 3: at the band roll dancing away, giving it some of that,
21:03
Speaker 3: and the singer says, oh, by the way, just to
21:06
Speaker 3: let you know if you're interested, cameroon have just gone
21:09
Speaker 3: to one up. All the guys just got up and left.
21:12
Speaker 3: All the English kind of guys got up and left.
21:13
Speaker 4: Cameron was playing England that night.
21:16
Speaker 3: Was it the Court of Roger Quarters, So they all
21:19
Speaker 3: got up and left. You know, the women of Dance
21:21
Speaker 3: Flop was gone, and I wish I'd taken a photo this.
21:24
Speaker 3: It was like thirty seat guys that can really concern.
21:27
Speaker 3: Kicked the kids off the telly, pulled the VCR out,
21:29
Speaker 3: put the telly on and they all watched the England
21:31
Speaker 3: Cameroon game while we were all dancing. So that was
21:34
Speaker 3: a brilliant summer because that's the thing you always associated
21:37
Speaker 3: with a really good summer, don't ye, And it always
21:38
Speaker 3: makes those summers.
21:40
Speaker 4: So last sixteen I think it was camera sixteen, so
21:44
Speaker 4: because then they played played Belgium. See, these are the
21:47
Speaker 4: ones that you can remember that. It's the recent times
21:49
Speaker 4: that I but yeah, ask me about nineteen ninety, I can.
21:53
Speaker 4: I think that was the last sixteen and then Belgium
21:56
Speaker 4: Belgium that when the plat Yeah, Germany.
22:00
Speaker 5: The Germany semi.
22:02
Speaker 3: It's also about how old you are. I find that
22:05
Speaker 3: until the age of eighteen, my memories like sharp. Yeah,
22:08
Speaker 3: really you can even smell it. After that, it just
22:12
Speaker 3: gets a bit vaguer. But I nineteen ninety was an
22:15
Speaker 3: amazing World Cup. Ninety four was a bit of a letdown,
22:17
Speaker 3: wasn't it.
22:18
Speaker 5: I Mean it just was.
22:20
Speaker 2: Not just how they weren't there.
22:22
Speaker 4: But how do you think this one will compare? Because
22:24
Speaker 4: it's obviously back in the States. Yeah, do you think
22:26
Speaker 4: this will be better? It's a lot more teams and
22:29
Speaker 4: obviously really rich makes it.
22:30
Speaker 2: Which makes it better.
22:31
Speaker 3: I think it will be I'll be honest, it's been
22:34
Speaker 3: had been ruined by what America has become. I don't
22:37
Speaker 3: mean American people has been American politics. It's kind of
22:39
Speaker 3: ruined it a wee bit for me. I thought there
22:41
Speaker 3: was going to become a point where it wouldn't happen.
22:43
Speaker 3: And absolute fiasco of the draw.
22:48
Speaker 4: The times as well the times, and I was like
22:50
Speaker 4: the times of the games. It's something about five am
22:53
Speaker 4: and are you doing No, We're actually we're up in
22:57
Speaker 4: Lerwick in the first game, believe it or not. Yeah,
23:00
Speaker 4: randomly we've got a gig in Lerwick. Must staying up
23:03
Speaker 4: for the for the game.
23:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, I quite like the idea watching it at the
23:07
Speaker 3: middle of the night. Actually, weirdly, I'm not quite made
23:11
Speaker 3: plans yet. There's there's there's one.
23:13
Speaker 2: There's one day where my daughter's graduating, and then we've
23:17
Speaker 2: got a graduation dinner and then is it the Morocco game. Yeah,
23:19
Speaker 2: so that'll be an interesting yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:23
Speaker 3: I mean when I think of Morocco and I think
23:25
Speaker 3: of the last game in ninety eight that was just
23:28
Speaker 3: talking about putting a bread knife into Bounty Castle.
23:30
Speaker 2: I still see.
23:34
Speaker 3: My son was saying, great news, Dad, Hakimi's injured and
23:37
Speaker 3: they played in the final there and he's a unit,
23:40
Speaker 3: isn't the water player? I mean, okay, because I'm going
23:43
Speaker 3: to say this up, Ladin, probably shouldn't. I think we're
23:45
Speaker 3: going to get through the qualifiers.
23:47
Speaker 5: I do as well.
23:47
Speaker 2: I do I've got and I'm not just saying that.
23:50
Speaker 2: I think that.
23:52
Speaker 3: I know that Steve Clark is coming for a lot
23:54
Speaker 3: of stick force for being faithful to players. But I
23:57
Speaker 3: think what that's done is that's bread a real club
24:00
Speaker 3: mentality with that team, and I think they would run
24:02
Speaker 3: through brick wall for each other because when you think
24:04
Speaker 3: of the four games, last four the competitive games, Scotland
24:08
Speaker 3: didn't play brilliantly for ninety minutes, but they dug out results.
24:12
Speaker 3: And we've got match winners now, which maybe we didn't before,
24:16
Speaker 3: but we have match winners now. We've got real leaders
24:18
Speaker 3: in the team and we've got a real a real
24:21
Speaker 3: cohesion mentally.
24:23
Speaker 2: You'll know better than I will about how much that
24:25
Speaker 2: is a factor, and.
24:26
Speaker 4: You know, and you can put I think I think
24:28
Speaker 4: they've got unfinished business, not that squad. I've not did
24:32
Speaker 4: the songs justice in the last two Euros.
24:35
Speaker 2: That's it.
24:35
Speaker 4: They've also gained the experience, have been characters.
24:38
Speaker 6: Good to see them can experience at winning now as well. Yeah,
24:42
Speaker 6: you know, and that makes a big difference in robots
24:44
Speaker 6: and when the league again.
24:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, and these are these are I mean, I would
24:50
Speaker 3: imagine these are amazing guys to have in your tress them.
24:53
Speaker 3: All they need is are really banging tune to send
24:55
Speaker 3: them out like a catchy tune. Do you know the
24:57
Speaker 3: name checks some of the players.
24:58
Speaker 5: I'll work on it.
25:00
Speaker 2: It's definitely I would.
25:02
Speaker 3: Love them to hear it though, just in the in
25:04
Speaker 3: the dressing room, honestly, because I think it is it
25:06
Speaker 3: kind of gets you in the fields, I think, unassumed bagpipes.
25:10
Speaker 3: So yeah, I know I've got a good feeling. I
25:12
Speaker 3: have a good feeling about this and in a way
25:18
Speaker 3: like we're always going to be prepared mentally for it
25:21
Speaker 3: not happening, right, But so it's I think as a
25:27
Speaker 3: Scotland fan, it probably is enough that we're there, right,
25:31
Speaker 3: How good would it be though if we just actually
25:34
Speaker 3: got on, you know what I mean?
25:35
Speaker 2: But it's.
25:37
Speaker 3: We were never entitled in the way that you know,
25:39
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say England fans, I'd say that England press
25:42
Speaker 3: are entitled. We're never going to feel entitled in that way.
25:45
Speaker 3: So everything even look, even if we get a draw
25:47
Speaker 3: against Hated, I think points on the board, points on
25:50
Speaker 3: the board. You know, the usual Scotland template is we
25:54
Speaker 3: don't beat the teams that were meant to be that
25:56
Speaker 3: you know, we're better on the counter and all that stuff.
25:58
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
25:59
Speaker 3: I think because of the last two tournaments. You know
26:03
Speaker 3: that that Germany game, I mean, my god, what a
26:05
Speaker 3: kick in the stains that was. And I think I'm
26:07
Speaker 3: sure Stevie Glock has learned from that, like you can't
26:10
Speaker 3: you can't go out cage. You just need to go
26:12
Speaker 3: and actually trying and land Begause rather than try and
26:15
Speaker 3: wait for you know what I mean, try and like.
26:17
Speaker 4: Robe oh Die definitely and those younger boys obviously I've
26:21
Speaker 4: mentioned gannon Ok and the young friendly Cutters.
26:25
Speaker 3: Well, it just gives the squad a b bit more
26:27
Speaker 3: energy totally, and just that kind of gallousness and that,
26:33
Speaker 3: you know what it reminds me of. So when we
26:37
Speaker 3: did the first Steel Game live show in the Hydro,
26:41
Speaker 3: no one had done narative comedy like that before on
26:44
Speaker 3: a stage like that, right, So the rest of the
26:46
Speaker 3: cast are really shouting themselves because they know how.
26:49
Speaker 2: On More behaves.
26:49
Speaker 3: They know how the King Steater behaves, they know how
26:51
Speaker 3: they are harmor behaves, they know how the commonyal theater behaves.
26:54
Speaker 3: How the hell is it Hydro going to behave? It's
26:56
Speaker 3: eleven thousand people. I've never done theater before, so this
27:01
Speaker 3: is happening. So that'll be Kindley Curtis, he'll be like
27:05
Speaker 3: and also he probably you know, he doesn't remember when
27:09
Speaker 3: we did qualify for things. It's complete elite black canvas,
27:13
Speaker 3: so that'll be interesting to see how that pans out.
27:16
Speaker 3: You'd like to say, lack of fear. That's what you need,
27:18
Speaker 3: isn't it? Just just you know? Because I would imagine
27:21
Speaker 3: if you were like a player with certain vintage and
27:24
Speaker 3: you're playing Brazil, just the word Brazil would turn your
27:27
Speaker 3: legs to jelly. We'd like to think if you're seventy
27:29
Speaker 3: the old match, complaining Brazil will be like you know,
27:31
Speaker 3: a kick you back. It'll be like a kickaback with
27:33
Speaker 3: your older brother's pals, and you are trying to skin
27:36
Speaker 3: them because of your older brother's pals.
27:38
Speaker 2: So hopefully he'll be trying stuff against.
27:40
Speaker 4: Should a great picture it was on I think the
27:42
Speaker 4: Scottish Instagram and that was Cutlass and Dopey.
27:46
Speaker 5: They're both nineteen, aren't they.
27:50
Speaker 4: And you're just thinking what an experience do you and
27:53
Speaker 4: play represent your country at the World Cup. Yeah, it
27:55
Speaker 4: must be absolutely buzzing to of them. Yeah, and the
27:58
Speaker 4: young boy Fletcher getting on his well.
28:00
Speaker 2: Oh I thought he was fantastic.
28:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he's got an interest in kind of like
28:05
Speaker 3: because I see is he's seventeen eighteen.
28:08
Speaker 2: Nineteen, but he's a big univer boy.
28:11
Speaker 5: He's like his dad.
28:13
Speaker 2: Scotland's spraying the ball about and he's his.
28:17
Speaker 4: Brother must be wondering books because his brother's representing England
28:20
Speaker 4: nineteen of course represented either. So he's sitting there watching
28:24
Speaker 4: his brother making his debut for Scotland and getting on.
28:27
Speaker 6: The client of the World Cup. He does play like
28:30
Speaker 6: his dad. He is very like Darren the May moves
28:32
Speaker 6: as well.
28:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I was very impressive. A lot of
28:34
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I have to say I wasn't aware of him.
28:37
Speaker 6: I mean that's I think he had played like seventeen
28:39
Speaker 6: minutes or something that was saying like men's football. Yeah,
28:42
Speaker 6: usually played more for Scotland than he has. Yeah, you
28:45
Speaker 6: know anywhere else, which is which is you know bizarre yeh.
28:50
Speaker 6: And he didn't look at the place at all. He
28:52
Speaker 6: looked confident and you can see obviously the big decision
28:56
Speaker 6: for Steve to pick him.
28:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know over bye then Yeah, so.
29:04
Speaker 6: It's a shame for Billy Gilmore. Oh, it's just I
29:06
Speaker 6: think you can see with the players how Yeah, you're
29:10
Speaker 6: talking a tight group. Yeah you know how got you
29:13
Speaker 6: to wear from Yeah, hopefully he has another one.
29:16
Speaker 2: Thank you know.
29:17
Speaker 3: We have to make sure for Billy Gilmore that we
29:19
Speaker 3: go to another tournament because I think he was he
29:22
Speaker 3: deserves to be on the world stage.
29:23
Speaker 2: I think he's the bravery.
29:25
Speaker 3: He can take the ball on the six yard line
29:27
Speaker 3: happily last for on the six yard line and spin
29:30
Speaker 3: and spray it abouts a he's a brilliant player.
29:33
Speaker 2: So no, we're doing it for Billy. If nothing else,
29:35
Speaker 2: we're going to get to the next tournament.
29:38
Speaker 4: So to go back to your still game, then we
29:40
Speaker 4: have to touch on still game. You're doing an impression
29:43
Speaker 4: in your dad. There is that a bit of inspiration.
29:45
Speaker 3: From completely So I used to write for Tune the
29:49
Speaker 3: fact that's how I know Ford and Dragon and of
29:52
Speaker 3: all that, I meant it before, So I was always
29:54
Speaker 3: We're always circling around each other and we were pals
29:56
Speaker 3: and we'd work on projects together. And then Dune the
29:59
Speaker 3: Vat came along and I used to be the producer
30:01
Speaker 3: of the first radio show. Because people don't realize the
30:05
Speaker 3: reason it's called Chewing the Fat is when it was
30:08
Speaker 3: first in the radio, it was an hour. So the
30:11
Speaker 3: reason the show came about at all was Radio Scotland
30:14
Speaker 3: needed something to fill Saturday afternoons during the close season,
30:17
Speaker 3: so they used to love telling the story. They used
30:20
Speaker 3: to have this show where they would just do the
30:22
Speaker 3: shinty results and play music. So in the end, can
30:26
Speaker 3: you see it as fun? And now this is not
30:29
Speaker 3: a van I would smell its like teen spin it
30:32
Speaker 3: it's mental. So they thought that'd be a good place
30:34
Speaker 3: to just showcase some comedy whatever. So Ford and Greg
30:37
Speaker 3: hadn't long been together as a kind of double act,
30:40
Speaker 3: and they put together the show called Chewing the Fat,
30:42
Speaker 3: and the idea would be that they as themselves would
30:45
Speaker 3: chat chew the fat, then play some music, then play
30:49
Speaker 3: sketch and back to them as themselves. So they were
30:51
Speaker 3: literally just chewing the fat. Yea, And that's why the
30:54
Speaker 3: show was called that, and then they truncated it to
30:58
Speaker 3: half an hour where and then it went on the
31:00
Speaker 3: Telly and by the time he got into Telly that
31:02
Speaker 3: there was one series where they'd have this chat thing,
31:04
Speaker 3: but it wasn't quite working.
31:05
Speaker 2: So they've been that.
31:07
Speaker 3: And then by the time the fact became popular, it
31:09
Speaker 3: was just sketch sketch, sketch, sketch sketch. So and I
31:12
Speaker 3: was involved as a producer. Then I was a writer
31:14
Speaker 3: on the show. And so when You're the Fat finished,
31:19
Speaker 3: there were a few a few candidates for a spin off.
31:23
Speaker 3: So Ronald Villiers nearly got my favorite brilliant based on
31:29
Speaker 3: an actor. And I don't know if the actor knows yeah,
31:33
Speaker 3: because apparently this guy to suppose he said him, so
31:36
Speaker 3: you come on him, So you come on with the
31:40
Speaker 3: curtain goes and cut and goes everything said to him
31:44
Speaker 3: a couple of coffee. So, so Ford based on him
31:49
Speaker 3: as genius genius, and it was so that nearly became
31:52
Speaker 3: a spin off. Karen and Bar's teacher character really became
31:55
Speaker 3: a spin off. In fact, I co wrote a pilot episode.
32:00
Speaker 3: But I think it was always going to be still
32:02
Speaker 3: game because I'm sure you guys know, it was a
32:05
Speaker 3: show before Tuning the Fat. It was a stage show
32:07
Speaker 3: that had been on the Courtiers and had been to
32:10
Speaker 3: the Edroo a festival, and then Tune the Fat came along,
32:12
Speaker 3: and they just took those two old guys and put
32:14
Speaker 3: them in sketches. And so when Tune the Fat finished,
32:18
Speaker 3: that was the most obvious kind of candidate for spin off.
32:21
Speaker 3: So they already had Jack and Victor. They also had
32:25
Speaker 3: versions of Tam and Winston because they used to do
32:28
Speaker 3: the songs on Shooing the Fat. And so they approached
32:34
Speaker 3: me and they said, and Greg said to me, he said, look,
32:38
Speaker 3: it's really really funny when you impersonate your dad, because
32:40
Speaker 3: Greg knew my dad. And he said, would you be
32:43
Speaker 3: up for playing this character, the shopkeeper character? And had
32:46
Speaker 3: a few questions because i'd the Asian shopkeeper stereotype is
32:52
Speaker 3: a stereotype of a reason, but I think they're good reasons.
32:54
Speaker 3: I think it speaks a lot about a work ethic. Also,
32:58
Speaker 3: you know, my mum we had a shot for a while,
33:00
Speaker 3: but my mom was a social work and my dad
33:01
Speaker 3: was a teacher. But you know, they felt that they
33:04
Speaker 3: could do better with the business, you know, and Also,
33:07
Speaker 3: my dad turban seek man, so his friends getting promoted
33:10
Speaker 3: and he didn't.
33:11
Speaker 2: He had his own reasons as to why that might
33:12
Speaker 2: be the case. So we had a shop for a while,
33:15
Speaker 2: and so I loved the idea of shopping.
33:18
Speaker 3: I'd watch my mom's serve customers and they would come
33:21
Speaker 3: into the shop and they see this wee bunjubby woman
33:24
Speaker 3: and a show archamies, and you could just sense like,
33:27
Speaker 3: it's not a racist thing. It's just like fear of
33:28
Speaker 3: the unknown. How do I talk to this person? And
33:30
Speaker 3: then you'd open my mouth and are English is perfect?
33:33
Speaker 3: And then I could just see the barriers coming down.
33:35
Speaker 3: So I've always liked it's almost like shops are at
33:37
Speaker 3: the cold face of kind of interracial relations in a
33:41
Speaker 3: weird way. So I've always liked the idea of shops.
33:44
Speaker 3: So I thought, do I want to propagate this Asian stereotype?
33:48
Speaker 3: I said, yes, I do. It's a positive thing. It's
33:50
Speaker 3: a good thing. And also when you it's slightly most
33:55
Speaker 3: serious point, but when you watched like say EastEnders here
33:58
Speaker 3: right when it started in the mid eighties, the Asian families,
34:00
Speaker 3: they're very much victims. They were getting racist abuse, they
34:03
Speaker 3: were getting stones put through the window, and that story
34:05
Speaker 3: didn't need to be told because it happened. But the
34:08
Speaker 3: story had been told. So now let's talk about who
34:10
Speaker 3: we are now, not victims. But by the way, na
34:13
Speaker 3: Vida is the richest guy in Cradlene. He's the one
34:16
Speaker 3: driving the tan Mark with a private number of plates.
34:18
Speaker 3: He's the one with the golden ticket at the wedding. Tom,
34:20
Speaker 3: I'm happy to celebrate that. And also he's pretty, he's flawed,
34:23
Speaker 3: he's arrogant, he's nobody's victim. So I was absolutely up
34:28
Speaker 3: for playing him. And so basically I think this is
34:32
Speaker 3: what happened. I can't remember the exact details. I think
34:35
Speaker 3: I asked if he could just claim like my dad,
34:37
Speaker 3: like a turban seek, which would have been fine, except
34:41
Speaker 3: the wedding episode. The punchline was nay drink at the
34:44
Speaker 3: Muslim wedding. You can't say nay drink a seat wedding
34:47
Speaker 3: because you'll never see more alcohol in your life, and
34:50
Speaker 3: it's free. So I think what maybe happened was was
34:53
Speaker 3: that they probably already had the idea of the beard
34:56
Speaker 3: and attached because he was going to be a sek,
34:58
Speaker 3: and they just said, let just lose the turban. That
35:00
Speaker 3: was quite happy about that because it gives you armor,
35:03
Speaker 3: it gives you something a shield. And also I just
35:06
Speaker 3: channeled my dad anyway, because I just had to kind
35:10
Speaker 3: of use my dad's voice like this, but totally just
35:13
Speaker 3: vg fire the Weeber dinner Doerty's guardy junkie bastard because
35:17
Speaker 3: that's how my dad speaks. And I don't think I
35:20
Speaker 3: don't think the boys knew that I'm gonna swear loads now.
35:24
Speaker 3: I don't think the boys Jack Ford and Greg knew
35:27
Speaker 3: that bastard was my dad's swear with a choice. Yeah,
35:30
Speaker 3: because when my dad was a teacher, he used to
35:31
Speaker 3: be Mark and Joughters in his bureau. In his bedroom,
35:34
Speaker 3: me and my brothers are playing football with the roads
35:36
Speaker 3: up sot right, making a racket, jumping on the bed.
35:38
Speaker 2: My dad would come through, you bloody bastards. And that's
35:41
Speaker 2: when you knew the boats up in the slice.
35:42
Speaker 3: So I don't think they knew that bastard is like,
35:44
Speaker 3: you know, bossard is a great word because it's theoretic.
35:47
Speaker 2: It's only got two as in that we could put
35:48
Speaker 2: thirteenags in it.
35:50
Speaker 5: You must.
35:52
Speaker 3: You bended like a tremble of arm. So I had
35:55
Speaker 3: great fun doing it. I mean, you know, people say
35:58
Speaker 3: to me, how hard is it getting the character?
36:00
Speaker 2: Did easy? It's child my dad.
36:02
Speaker 4: It's funny because remember we got you to come down
36:05
Speaker 4: to the football campus, yes two or three years ago,
36:07
Speaker 4: maybe a bit longer actually, and to meet the kids.
36:11
Speaker 4: And we got the kids gathered around me yourself, and
36:14
Speaker 4: they just wanted to hear you recite stuff. And they
36:17
Speaker 4: could recite lines. It was amazing, all these young kids.
36:20
Speaker 3: And I probably told you the story. I was playing
36:27
Speaker 3: fives in tom Chapel. It was like a cold Tuesday night.
36:31
Speaker 3: Nobody better apart from the guys that were playing.
36:33
Speaker 2: And I just heard.
36:36
Speaker 3: And I turned around and I swear to God, eleven
36:38
Speaker 3: year old boy, a more ginger, freckly boy in his
36:42
Speaker 3: dad's no face, jackla this, I said, who said that?
36:45
Speaker 2: I said that, you never I did do it again?
36:48
Speaker 2: Then all right?
36:51
Speaker 3: I think about when kids like the show, that's the
36:53
Speaker 3: most gratifying thing. Kids will not lie to you, kids
36:56
Speaker 3: will cross the road to tell you something shite. So
36:58
Speaker 3: when kids like the show, it's absolutely.
37:02
Speaker 2: Take that to the bank. And I love that.
37:03
Speaker 3: I love that this older Muslim Asian character has connected
37:09
Speaker 3: with people especially in the current climate where certain political
37:14
Speaker 3: forces are trying to mean differentiate between.
37:17
Speaker 2: Us and other people.
37:18
Speaker 3: And you know, it's really really important to me that
37:22
Speaker 3: this because he's so well written, because because I don't
37:25
Speaker 3: write Ford and read write every single word of it,
37:28
Speaker 3: but I can bring my authenticity in the physicality and
37:30
Speaker 3: the voice and all that. And if he feels like
37:32
Speaker 3: a real person and you like him, then I've done
37:35
Speaker 3: my job. You know, it could be that you don't
37:37
Speaker 3: have anyone visibly different in your life, but oh, that
37:40
Speaker 3: guy in D that kind of D. Someone was telling
37:42
Speaker 3: me that they went to the Sevil for the UFO
37:46
Speaker 3: Cup final and there was loads of planes flying out
37:49
Speaker 3: and they were just full of guys like high on
37:51
Speaker 3: life and wisecrack and there were these two guys and
37:53
Speaker 3: they were the two kind of like funny guys on
37:57
Speaker 3: the plane and they started doing and the fascination And
38:01
Speaker 3: he said, even two years ago that might have been racist,
38:03
Speaker 3: but they were doing it with affection. And he said
38:06
Speaker 3: it was a real moment for him that they were
38:09
Speaker 3: impersonating this Asian character. But it wasn't slagging him. It
38:12
Speaker 3: was like because they liked it.
38:13
Speaker 6: That was nice to hear it's changed so much to
38:16
Speaker 6: the comedy. If you've found a big difference in last
38:19
Speaker 6: decade with that.
38:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, PC, I mean yeah, I mean there's obviously I
38:23
Speaker 3: mean I watched stuff back and it would never get made.
38:25
Speaker 2: I just think I have to say I hate it
38:28
Speaker 2: when mostly tax your drivers. You can't see it then anymore? Well,
38:31
Speaker 2: you just did. You just need to be a bit
38:34
Speaker 2: more careful abou who the target your jokers?
38:36
Speaker 3: And I think there is an element of it's like
38:39
Speaker 3: kind of thing. It's like the pendulum can swing too
38:41
Speaker 3: far the other way, but it will settle a point.
38:45
Speaker 3: So maybe we are chucking some babies out with the
38:48
Speaker 3: bath water, but it will settle back. But I think
38:50
Speaker 3: it's important to realize who the target of your jokers.
38:55
Speaker 3: I'll give you a very This might seem like a
38:58
Speaker 3: flippant example, but it kind of tells the story of
39:02
Speaker 3: comedy is you have to you really have to think
39:05
Speaker 3: that you have to be laser guided in who your
39:08
Speaker 3: target is and just just have a think about it. Now,
39:10
Speaker 3: this is a flippant example, but it tells the story.
39:12
Speaker 3: So when I was on Twitter, I did a joke
39:16
Speaker 3: and it's not a great joke. I said I don't
39:17
Speaker 3: use fairy liquid anymore. I don't see why we should
39:19
Speaker 3: have to melt fairies just so we have clean dishes, right, Okay,
39:22
Speaker 3: So the idea is fairy liquid's made out of fairies.
39:24
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, joke, and the.
39:26
Speaker 3: Guy got back to me and he said, don't even
39:27
Speaker 3: start me on Linda McCartney sausages, the idea being that
39:30
Speaker 3: Linda McCartney sausages I made out of Linda McCartney, which
39:33
Speaker 3: I thought was genius, right, So then I did a
39:35
Speaker 3: tweet and I said, and I made sure that he
39:37
Speaker 3: got credit for it as well. I said, for anyone
39:39
Speaker 3: that has bought a Linda McCartney sausage in the last
39:42
Speaker 3: three years, it probably doesn't contain in any Linda McCartney.
39:45
Speaker 2: She wasn't that big, right, And I.
39:47
Speaker 3: Immediately regretted it because I thought, well, imagine, like Paul
39:50
Speaker 3: McCartney read that, and I love Paul McCartney. I imagine
39:53
Speaker 3: he took offense. But if he did say to me,
39:56
Speaker 3: join your phones, so that what I'd say to him
39:58
Speaker 3: is you're not the talk at that joke, and neither's
40:01
Speaker 3: your late wife the target of that joke. If you
40:03
Speaker 3: think about it, is people who might be stupid enough
40:06
Speaker 3: to think that Lynda McCartney sausages contain Lynda McCartney. It's
40:10
Speaker 3: that complex. But I think you should have to justify
40:14
Speaker 3: the joke. And if you're punching down, I'm a big
40:16
Speaker 3: believer in that, don't punch down. Don't victims don't need it.
40:19
Speaker 3: You know, punch up, punch sideways, you know, tackle authority,
40:23
Speaker 3: tackle that guy beside you.
40:24
Speaker 2: But don't punch down. There's no need for that.
40:26
Speaker 3: And if you look at the more extreme kind of
40:28
Speaker 3: racist comedy of the seventies eighties, people like Jim Davidson
40:31
Speaker 3: and Burn and Manning, they were completely punching down. But
40:35
Speaker 3: I do think that we're maybe slightly over I think
40:39
Speaker 3: there's maybe a generation that get offended and don't really
40:44
Speaker 3: think about why they're offended and then maybe only write
40:47
Speaker 3: a certain percentage of the time. But I do think
40:50
Speaker 3: it is from my perspective, it's important that you should
40:54
Speaker 3: be able to justify any jokes that you tell.
40:56
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think you're in one of the best
40:59
Speaker 6: films I've seen for a long time. I swear, I
41:02
Speaker 6: mean that's what film it was. You see it, it
41:06
Speaker 6: makes you laugh like cry. It just feel every growing
41:11
Speaker 6: up and thinking that the documentaries on him and.
41:14
Speaker 5: Laughing it's not Maddy thing, it's funny and everything else.
41:17
Speaker 5: But then you actually watch the film and but that.
41:20
Speaker 3: But that's another example of when you laugh at what
41:24
Speaker 3: a tourette's I don't think you say suffer, do you?
41:28
Speaker 3: I'll say anyway tourette suffer says you're not. You have
41:31
Speaker 3: to make a choice you laughing at what they're saying
41:33
Speaker 3: or at the person. And you're not really laughing at
41:35
Speaker 3: the person at least you wouldn't now that you know.
41:39
Speaker 3: But it's okay to laugh at what they say because
41:41
Speaker 3: the whole point of tourettes is you're saying the unsable,
41:44
Speaker 3: and a lot of time that's what comedy is.
41:46
Speaker 2: It's that's what it's for. It's saying the unstable. So
41:49
Speaker 2: you're allowed to laugh.
41:50
Speaker 3: But as long as you're not laughing at the person
41:51
Speaker 3: that's saying it, you're laughing at what they're saying. And
41:54
Speaker 3: John Davidson himself is very clear about that. He says,
41:56
Speaker 3: I want people to laugh at the film because it's funny.
41:59
Speaker 2: What I say. It's funny, you know, But then you
42:01
Speaker 2: see me getting you know then sometimes it's not funny.
42:04
Speaker 2: Sometimes I get beaten up for seeing it.
42:06
Speaker 3: But what a wonderful film, even just even if you
42:11
Speaker 3: park the whole subject matter of the film, just the
42:13
Speaker 3: way the Scotland's portrayed really authentically. I love the scenes
42:16
Speaker 3: at the school dinner. Yeah, it felt so real that
42:19
Speaker 3: Gregory's gone. It felt really really just authentic. And his
42:26
Speaker 3: performance rob Arramayo. I mean when I got cast for
42:30
Speaker 3: the job, I actually originally auditioned to play the policeman,
42:34
Speaker 3: but the game of the shopkeeper. Again, happy to play
42:36
Speaker 3: shop absolutely happy to play shopkeeper, available for work.
42:41
Speaker 2: So I went for a makeup test and this guy
42:45
Speaker 2: comes over and he said, oh, that's that's Robbie's the actor.
42:48
Speaker 2: And he says, just what is here. It's a pleasure
42:51
Speaker 2: of walking with you. I'm a big fan of your luck.
42:52
Speaker 2: And he shook my hand. He's what lovely young boy,
42:55
Speaker 2: and and he was ticking as well.
42:57
Speaker 3: I thought, what a brilliant bit of cast thing to
43:00
Speaker 3: find someone from the borders that has turettes to play
43:02
Speaker 3: someone from the borders that has tourettes.
43:04
Speaker 2: So then four weeks later we're film in.
43:06
Speaker 3: Our scenes and there's a break in filming and I
43:10
Speaker 3: was chatting to this really nice woman that was involved
43:12
Speaker 3: in the production and I said, oh, forgive my ignorance,
43:15
Speaker 3: but what's your part of the production. She said, Oh,
43:17
Speaker 3: I'm Rob's voice coach. I said, oh, right, so he's
43:20
Speaker 3: not from the borders, so what Bot Scottons is from Hull?
43:25
Speaker 3: I know, by the way, he's not got Tourette's either.
43:27
Speaker 3: He came to Gallic Yule's two months before filming and
43:30
Speaker 3: went method What a performance.
43:33
Speaker 2: He even physically looks like John David says scary.
43:37
Speaker 3: And I'm so glad that he won the awards because
43:40
Speaker 3: I just think it's a generational performance and a really
43:42
Speaker 3: really great film.
43:44
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I'll say this to a missus.
43:47
Speaker 2: You go and see a film these days and it
43:49
Speaker 2: might be dead entertaining and dead diverting, and you've had
43:51
Speaker 2: a good time, but it doesn't really affect you. I
43:55
Speaker 2: came out bouncing out of that film because it's all
43:57
Speaker 2: about how people help other people and it was really
44:00
Speaker 2: properly uplifting. It's also the first time I've cried at
44:02
Speaker 2: a trailer. I've never cried at a film trailer before,
44:06
Speaker 2: and that bit he's in the hostel bed saying I'm
44:08
Speaker 2: just tired.
44:11
Speaker 3: But the other thing, but the trailer was was that
44:15
Speaker 3: me and my wife had gone to see the Naked
44:17
Speaker 3: Gun reboot Don't.
44:19
Speaker 2: Bother, Don't watched the original ten times. It is amazing.
44:24
Speaker 3: And then the trailers came up, and then the I
44:26
Speaker 3: swear trailer came up. So you hear the new Order
44:28
Speaker 3: Blue Monday hearing his bike, and then you hear this voice,
44:34
Speaker 3: wait again, I'm in the trailer. I'm in the film
44:38
Speaker 3: for thirty one second and I made the trailer. I
44:40
Speaker 3: think it might be the first film trailer I've been in.
44:42
Speaker 3: So it's popcorn everywhere.
44:43
Speaker 2: I'm in the trailer. I'm in the trailer longer than in.
44:46
Speaker 3: The film, so that was a lovely moment. But yeah,
44:49
Speaker 3: I cried at the trailer. So I thought, well, this
44:51
Speaker 3: is gonna be a good film. And my god, it's interesting.
44:55
Speaker 3: The whole Bafter controversy, you know, I think you know,
45:00
Speaker 3: it was horrible for John. Yeah, but I think it's
45:04
Speaker 3: a good thing in the end. Because I said this
45:05
Speaker 3: to John. I messaged him.
45:07
Speaker 2: I said, look, I'm probably a thousandth person to say
45:09
Speaker 2: to number one, I hope you feel, how loved you
45:12
Speaker 2: are and how much support you've got.
45:14
Speaker 3: Number Two, it's only going to bring traffic to the film,
45:17
Speaker 3: especially in the States. If Jamie Fox is going to
45:19
Speaker 3: run his mouth off and say things up thinking, people
45:23
Speaker 3: are going to want to watch this film. And I
45:25
Speaker 3: always say to people, if, if you, if you were
45:29
Speaker 3: offended by what John Davis to send the bafters, watch
45:32
Speaker 3: the film and see a guy saying something involuntarily and nearly.
45:36
Speaker 2: Losing his life for it. Yeah, that's the lesson.
45:38
Speaker 3: So what I'm hoping is is that more people watch
45:40
Speaker 3: the film because it's a lovely film and it's a
45:42
Speaker 3: changing it's a life changing film.
45:44
Speaker 5: Even the start of it.
45:46
Speaker 3: He wants to see the Queen true story as well
45:49
Speaker 3: true story and it's interesting, you know, watching that in
45:52
Speaker 3: Glasgow as well.
45:57
Speaker 2: Exactly.
46:00
Speaker 5: It's the first film I've seen for a long time.
46:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
46:02
Speaker 4: It is almost came to the end and I've not
46:04
Speaker 4: even spoken about Department Q. Yes, I love that, love
46:09
Speaker 4: that for series.
46:10
Speaker 2: You're doing it again, doing it again.
46:11
Speaker 3: We start actually we're filming in the summer. I mean,
46:14
Speaker 3: if I had any plans to go to America, I
46:16
Speaker 3: couldn't make any plans because of course, yeah, we're basically
46:19
Speaker 3: filming June, July, August, on a bit of September. I think.
46:22
Speaker 2: So it's not I won't be out every day because
46:24
Speaker 2: my character does not one of the main ones. But
46:26
Speaker 2: I can't make plans because schedules change. But what a
46:30
Speaker 2: lovely bit of work. We really enjoying that again a
46:32
Speaker 2: lot like I Swear.
46:34
Speaker 3: It's not a Scottish production, but it really you know,
46:39
Speaker 3: it showcases Scottish talent in a big, big way, brilliant
46:41
Speaker 3: Scottish cost and the reason.
46:43
Speaker 5: For that is quirky characters.
46:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's also the look of it. It's like, yeah,
46:48
Speaker 2: is this the near future?
46:49
Speaker 5: Is it where we are? Absolutely?
46:51
Speaker 3: The mullets, the clothes and my clothes I've got. I've
46:53
Speaker 3: got the best dressing gown in the world when I
46:56
Speaker 3: do my tai Chie and I've got it. Apparently the
46:58
Speaker 3: found it, so we're using it again. But what the
47:00
Speaker 3: story with Department Q is. It's actually a series of
47:03
Speaker 3: Danish novels called The Keeper of Small Causes by a
47:07
Speaker 3: writer called.
47:08
Speaker 2: Uc Adler Olson.
47:09
Speaker 3: So Scott Frank who's the writer director of I Swear,
47:14
Speaker 3: he also did the Queen's Gambit, which is another brilliant
47:17
Speaker 3: series of the Chess one. He had the rights to
47:20
Speaker 3: the books right, and I don't know how long he
47:22
Speaker 3: had that, maybe three, four or five years, Like I said,
47:25
Speaker 3: Danish series of books which has been made into film
47:29
Speaker 3: in Denmark. He found himself in Edinburgh and fell in
47:32
Speaker 3: love with Scotland and fell in love with Edinburgh, and
47:34
Speaker 3: he just decided on, we're going to set this in Scotland.
47:38
Speaker 3: So he's from San Francisco, So it took a guy
47:41
Speaker 3: from San.
47:41
Speaker 2: Francisco to realize our worth in a way that some
47:44
Speaker 2: foot from London don't realize our worth.
47:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another podcast, don't start. So he said, yeah,
47:51
Speaker 3: we're having an Edinburgh and such a brilliant area of
47:55
Speaker 3: Scottish talent, but a really good story. You know that
47:58
Speaker 3: first episode. People have been saying to me that they
48:02
Speaker 3: don't normally binge watch anything, but because they watched the first.
48:07
Speaker 2: End, is that WHOA yeah, because it's a double timeline.
48:10
Speaker 3: Thing that I didn't see that coming in. I think
48:12
Speaker 3: Matt Matthew Good is astonishing lead and I get to
48:16
Speaker 3: play a smarts. It turns out quite good at it,
48:18
Speaker 3: locking on with him and talk about Yoko Ono and
48:21
Speaker 3: Vic Kinstein all this. It's it's a really really good
48:23
Speaker 3: script and Scott Frank likes comedy, so he said to me, look,
48:28
Speaker 3: if you want to try stuff, try it.
48:30
Speaker 2: Wow, it's amazing and the fact it's on Netflix. I mean,
48:35
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong.
48:36
Speaker 3: I love working in Scotland and I'm happy to you know,
48:38
Speaker 3: I've got a great profile here and still game has
48:40
Speaker 3: opened a lot of doors. But you know, it'd be
48:42
Speaker 3: nice to have a global k and a profile at
48:44
Speaker 3: the same time. So that's been nice. I was getting
48:47
Speaker 3: texts from Australia from people saying this show is amazing
48:50
Speaker 3: and by the way, is that you is that away?
48:52
Speaker 3: I said, yes, it's a wag because he's my character
48:56
Speaker 3: is sort of an indetermined age. We reckon he's probably
49:00
Speaker 3: mid to late thirties. He's an internal student. So they
49:03
Speaker 3: plunged the show and Rider were on mate and they
49:05
Speaker 3: took all the black out of the stubble, all great
49:08
Speaker 3: out of my stubble and gave me some outstandingly psychedelic
49:11
Speaker 3: clothes to her and the great fun, great dialogue, great show.
49:14
Speaker 2: It's been an absolute joy.
49:16
Speaker 3: And yeah, so we're doing season two and what I'm
49:19
Speaker 3: hoping is is it keeps going because, like I say,
49:22
Speaker 3: there's nine or ten novels, and I don't know. If
49:24
Speaker 3: you guys are fans of Slow Horses, you should absolutely
49:28
Speaker 3: watch a bit of the Start. It's a similar vibe
49:31
Speaker 3: in terms of it being like a crime thing. But
49:35
Speaker 3: and that's on a season six and seven, so it'll
49:37
Speaker 3: be nice to keep it going.
49:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we could be here and talk all day.
49:43
Speaker 4: That was brilliant. We finish the podcast with a recommendation
49:47
Speaker 4: from the previous guests and then you've got to do likewise.
49:50
Speaker 4: So the last one was Ryan Pollock, who I don't
49:53
Speaker 4: know how to the screen, ran Jimmy Boy Daddy and Carlie.
49:56
Speaker 4: It's influencers on TikTok. Anyway, it was a great guest.
50:00
Speaker 4: He's recommended a film, an album, and a song. Okay,
50:03
Speaker 4: so his film you know what, Bad Boys Too.
50:06
Speaker 2: I've never seen it. If youre not, I've not seen it.
50:09
Speaker 2: I've not seen Bad Boys, you know, so I need
50:12
Speaker 2: to watch the.
50:13
Speaker 4: Watched one and two.
50:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, his album was on the teenage Streets.
50:17
Speaker 3: Okay, Well we've all had that. Yeah, and that was
50:19
Speaker 3: a lovely boy by the way, is in Still Game
50:23
Speaker 3: he before he was famous. Yeah, he gets onto a bus.
50:26
Speaker 3: He's aged fourteen and yeah yeah, so yeah, if you
50:30
Speaker 3: google it, someone's taking a still and put it on.
50:33
Speaker 4: So I for that and the song you'll have held
50:36
Speaker 4: as well. Robbie Williams angels right, Okay, so we need
50:39
Speaker 4: a film off you an album song.
50:42
Speaker 2: Okay, Well I'm just gonna I'll say I swear just
50:44
Speaker 2: because we talked about it.
50:45
Speaker 3: But also Angel Heart, which is the Mickey Rourke Robert
50:50
Speaker 3: de Niro film eighty seven. It's like a gothic horror.
50:54
Speaker 3: It was when Mickey Rourke was still, you know, like
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Speaker 3: a real force and Robert hero who's never stopped, really
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Speaker 3: been a force, but they were both at the height
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Speaker 3: of their game. And Mickey Rooke plays Harold Angel, who's
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Speaker 3: this detective who has been sent to find this singer
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Speaker 3: who turns out was dabbling and satanism.
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Speaker 2: It is a wonderful film. It's really gets into your bones,
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Speaker 2: really good film. And it's like two actors at the
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Speaker 2: peak of the game.
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Speaker 3: And there's a scene at the end which I won't
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Speaker 3: spoil it, but because there's a big, big spoiler which
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to say very good film.
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Speaker 2: And it's a film that never gets repeated. Really, I
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Speaker 2: don't know what the deal is eighty seven. I want
51:31
Speaker 2: to say when I first watched it, I thought, oh.
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Speaker 3: I like that Mickey Rourke guy, because he'd done a
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Speaker 3: couple of things by then and obviously have a new
51:39
Speaker 3: Robert de Niro. It was also the same year he
51:41
Speaker 3: did Midnight Run, which is one of the best comedies
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Speaker 3: ever made, so that there's a two for mid Night Run,
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Speaker 3: one of those films. You know, get those films where
51:50
Speaker 3: it will be on the Tell, it will be on
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Speaker 3: Channel four and you shall watch five minutes before you
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Speaker 3: know it's rolling. So a good Fela is like, I'll
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Speaker 3: watch five minutes because I know this film Midnight Run
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Speaker 3: one of those ones.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So there's that album wise.
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Speaker 3: That's hard. I'm gonna say Public Enemy. It takes a
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Speaker 3: nation of billions to hold us back. It's the It's
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Speaker 3: the It's the album that woke me up to hip hop.
52:13
Speaker 3: I mean hip hop was a thing when I was
52:15
Speaker 3: fifteen sixteen, but that was the first kind of political
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Speaker 3: hip hop. I remember being in the car driving to
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Speaker 3: school and the radio Amazon it was Mike Reid, not
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Speaker 3: Mike Read. It was Mike Smith, and he played this
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Speaker 3: song bring the Noise, and I remember just like like
52:29
Speaker 3: a like a meerkats and what is that slab of noise?
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Speaker 2: And it's from the album.
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Speaker 3: It just sounds really powerful and angry and it's a fantastic,
52:39
Speaker 3: fantastic album. It's got don't believe the hype on it
52:41
Speaker 3: as well, and Black Stealing the Hour of Chaos.
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Speaker 2: It's a real good entry point into sort of political
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Speaker 2: hip hop. So like that and the song there's a
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Speaker 2: World Cup song called back in the Game which have
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Speaker 2: to do it? Get out?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in the process now of hopefully by the
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Speaker 3: time that goes out, I'll be able to you could
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Speaker 3: stick a link on because it's so hot off the
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Speaker 3: press that I don't know. Spotify YouTube will be something.
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Speaker 3: Hopefully we'll have done a video as well, but we're
53:14
Speaker 3: running out of time. I mean as we speak now,
53:17
Speaker 3: we're two weeks off the first game. So fingers crossed
53:20
Speaker 3: we can get a video out there, so you might
53:22
Speaker 3: get a phone call apparently only keep you obscuated? How
53:26
Speaker 3: many keep you up is can you do? So I
53:32
Speaker 3: fingers crossed we can get a video and get out
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Speaker 3: there and so in a very Unscottish, very self indulgent way,
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Speaker 3: and how to put a voice on some embarrassed.
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Speaker 2: You should listen to Back in the Game by Sanji
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Speaker 2: Curley and Tom muriy perfectly enjoy