Latest / Made of Stars / Celebrating Halloween and Podcast #200
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Warning. The following podcast contains an entertaining look at astronomy, physics,
- 0:04Speaker 1: and space news throughout the known universe. Listeners have been
- 0:07Speaker 1: known to learn about astronomical phenomenon the scientific method and
- 0:10Speaker 1: expanded vocabulary to include terms like quasar asterism and uranus. Listen,
- 0:15Speaker 1: that's your own risk.
- 0:16Speaker 2: Go ahead.
- 0:22Speaker 3: We're made of stars. Made them stars, madies. When made
- 0:30Speaker 3: us stars, you could be from high they would New
- 0:36Speaker 3: Mexicomus where a stars?
- 0:43Speaker 4: When we are made of stars.
- 0:56Speaker 5: I'm Wes Carol, joined by my good friend doctor Sean
- 0:58Speaker 5: Cruisin from Columbus State University's Coca Cola Space Science Center. Sean,
- 1:03Speaker 5: it's our two hundredth episode of this show as a podcast.
- 1:10Speaker 2: And that doesn't mean like the number two hundred.
- 1:12Speaker 5: Yeah, like two hundred, like two and two zeros.
- 1:15Speaker 2: Like and even divisibly by one hundred number.
- 1:19Speaker 4: Yes, that's what I'm saying. Two hundred How about that?
- 1:23Speaker 5: Now that doesn't count all of the I don't know
- 1:25Speaker 5: how many times we did it on the radio before
- 1:28Speaker 5: we started counting the podcast as two hundred.
- 1:31Speaker 4: But no, this is a big day.
- 1:32Speaker 5: It's a milestone celebration and it happens to occur on Halloween.
- 1:38Speaker 2: I don't know.
- 1:39Speaker 5: Really if it makes it. I just thought it was
- 1:41Speaker 5: cool that it timed out for Halloween.
- 1:43Speaker 2: I mean, one could tie various pieces of significance to that.
- 1:48Speaker 2: I think I'm going to just let it fly. Well,
- 1:51Speaker 2: like a bat across the moon.
- 1:52Speaker 4: Well, we've got a very.
- 1:56Speaker 5: Spookyish edition of the show because we're gonna be talking
- 2:01Speaker 5: about zombies. We're gonna be talking about Martian things. We're
- 2:06Speaker 5: gonna be talking about some you know, an accident that
- 2:11Speaker 5: happened to an astronaut and giving a status update on them.
- 2:14Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think it had anything to do
- 2:15Speaker 5: with you know, a xenomar for anything, but we can
- 2:19Speaker 5: talk and then you know aliens, yep, they're here, dead stars.
- 2:24Speaker 5: We got some spooky type things to talk about. Let's
- 2:28Speaker 5: start with the zombies. I mean, I think anybody would
- 2:31Speaker 5: want to know what's going on with zombies? How does
- 2:34Speaker 5: this work? But this is a follow up to a
- 2:37Speaker 5: story that we've done follow ups to before. It's kind
- 2:41Speaker 5: of an ongoing saga, and I assume it will continue
- 2:44Speaker 5: to be until maybe eventually somebody cuts the head off
- 2:47Speaker 5: this thing. I don't know, I don't know how that works.
- 2:49Speaker 2: Exactly. There's a name in the space industry called a
- 2:52Speaker 2: zombie SAT. Huh. And what a zombie SAT literally is.
- 2:56Speaker 2: It's a spacecraft that is no longer controllable from the Earth,
- 3:00Speaker 2: that's orbiting the Earth. It's just an out of controlled,
- 3:03Speaker 2: giant hunk of space junk. That's what a zombie SAT is.
- 3:06Speaker 2: A zombie satellite is what that stands for. Right. This
- 3:10Speaker 2: is not a zombie SAT. This is a zombie probe,
- 3:14Speaker 2: but it was only zombie temporarily. Friends, this is the
- 3:19Speaker 2: Voyager one probe. This is one of the oldest and
- 3:24Speaker 2: certainly the most traveled of all space explorers ever sent
- 3:29Speaker 2: from the planet Earth, and it went into kind of
- 3:33Speaker 2: a zombie state simply because it quit communicating properly back
- 3:38Speaker 2: with its handlers here on Earth. Now, let's remember Voyager
- 3:43Speaker 2: one was launched in the nineteen seventies. It explored the
- 3:47Speaker 2: Solar System, including the major planets, the large gas giants
- 3:51Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighties. We are in twenty twenty four
- 3:57Speaker 2: and there are technicians at the Jet Propulsion lefe Aboratory
- 4:00Speaker 2: still working with Voyager one. And the announcement that's really
- 4:04Speaker 2: important about the satellite, that's fifteen billion miles away, is
- 4:12Speaker 2: that they were able to resuscitate it out of its
- 4:15Speaker 2: zombie state and begin communicating with it again. On October
- 4:20Speaker 2: twenty fourth, almost Halloween, NASA's successfully re established contact with
- 4:26Speaker 2: the Voyager one deep space probe that has now left
- 4:31Speaker 2: the confines of our Solar System and is exploring interstellar space.
- 4:36Speaker 2: No longer as a zombie probe, now back to being
- 4:40Speaker 2: a living, communicating space explorer from NASA. What a cool
- 4:46Speaker 2: story it is.
- 4:47Speaker 5: And this is one of those things that because of
- 4:50Speaker 5: how many miles this thing has on it, I mean,
- 4:53Speaker 5: if you want to log it in miles, it's obviously
- 4:55Speaker 5: much more than you know, we can't even comprehend miles.
- 4:58Speaker 5: It's like when we talk about horsepower, want to use
- 5:00Speaker 5: the term Pegasus power.
- 5:01Speaker 4: But anyway, so how far.
- 5:03Speaker 5: Away that it is, it's remarkable that there's still communicating
- 5:07Speaker 5: with it period, I think, and then it's still doing
- 5:10Speaker 5: its thing, doing anything really, But they've had multiple situations
- 5:14Speaker 5: where they've lost communications with it and then been able
- 5:17Speaker 5: to re establish it. I know this time when we
- 5:19Speaker 5: talked about them losing communication with it, there was a
- 5:22Speaker 5: question about whether or not they would be able to
- 5:24Speaker 5: do this. Was this was obviously the hope. They hoped
- 5:26Speaker 5: to be able to communicate with it, you know, years
- 5:29Speaker 5: to come. But it's still like really cool to think
- 5:35Speaker 5: that we're communicating with something that far away. And this
- 5:38Speaker 5: isn't just and this isn't just lobbing radio waves into
- 5:40Speaker 5: deep space and going let's see what happens, you know,
- 5:44Speaker 5: this is something that's communicating back.
- 5:46Speaker 2: That's right. So what they had to do was this,
- 5:49Speaker 2: think about this. Think about the state of computers in
- 5:54Speaker 2: the late nineteen seventies. So that's the kind of technology
- 5:57Speaker 2: that we're talking about compared to today. They were very
- 6:00Speaker 2: very primitive machines. They were running some very basic machine
- 6:07Speaker 2: language code to do the programming. What they had to
- 6:11Speaker 2: do was this there was actually some kind of a
- 6:14Speaker 2: sector on one of the hard drives on the control
- 6:16Speaker 2: computer for Voyagers communications system. They had to actually upload
- 6:22Speaker 2: new code that would only write to a part of
- 6:26Speaker 2: the disc that wasn't damaged. So first of all, they
- 6:29Speaker 2: had to find an engineer old enough to remember how
- 6:32Speaker 2: to write code. And as code was written in the
- 6:35Speaker 2: late nineteen seventies, and.
- 6:37Speaker 5: This is something that we talk about all the time.
- 6:38Speaker 5: I mean, this is one of the very unique things
- 6:41Speaker 5: about any sort of machine that we send into space
- 6:45Speaker 5: is you have to still have people around who know
- 6:48Speaker 5: how to work with those things, who have experience with it.
- 6:52Speaker 2: I don't know, you know exactly what the procedure was, like.
- 6:57Speaker 2: I bet they made some phone calls to some retired people.
- 7:00Speaker 2: I'm just guessing, right, one.
- 7:03Speaker 4: Of those weird cases.
- 7:04Speaker 5: One of those weird cases where you know, the grandchild
- 7:07Speaker 5: has to contact the grandfather for tech support.
- 7:10Speaker 4: That's not the way this usually works.
- 7:14Speaker 2: It's so true. Hey, grandpa, you remember where we kept
- 7:18Speaker 2: the key to the attic? Yes, I put it below
- 7:22Speaker 2: that strange looking vase up on the omblah on the
- 7:26Speaker 2: third floor. Oh okay, something like that. I'm guessing was
- 7:31Speaker 2: the process here. But whatever it was, JPL was actually managed,
- 7:35Speaker 2: was able to upload the code, have it performed correctly,
- 7:39Speaker 2: re establish communications, and now the team is working to
- 7:43Speaker 2: stabilize those communication and address the rest of the technical
- 7:46Speaker 2: issues facing this aging but still functioning and still communicating.
- 7:51Speaker 2: Not zombie SAT. So it was a zombie set. It
- 7:54Speaker 2: is now back to life, not being a zombie SAT
- 7:57Speaker 2: or a zombie probe as we discussed earlier. And yay
- 8:01Speaker 2: for Voyager one. Good news from October twenty fourth, the
- 8:05Speaker 2: end of last week.
- 8:06Speaker 5: I think if it goes the way it goes with
- 8:08Speaker 5: just general life, they would have done something like contact
- 8:11Speaker 5: an engineer from back in the day and say, we
- 8:14Speaker 5: want to bring you in and maybe have a special
- 8:16Speaker 5: luncheon for you.
- 8:17Speaker 4: Oh and while you're.
- 8:18Speaker 5: Here, could you take a look at this for us?
- 8:23Speaker 5: I mean, just because you're here, you're already here and
- 8:26Speaker 5: we're working on this, maybe you could take a look
- 8:28Speaker 5: at it for me because you know, I haven't been
- 8:31Speaker 5: able to you know, get my cable modem.
- 8:33Speaker 4: To work for a while or whatever.
- 8:34Speaker 5: You know, that's just kind of the way it tends
- 8:36Speaker 5: to go, you know, just from experience. Every every culture
- 8:40Speaker 5: has their own method of manipulation. I'm not sure what
- 8:44Speaker 5: the engineering culture JPL is exactly like, but I do
- 8:47Speaker 5: I'm more familiar with because of my friendship with youth
- 8:50Speaker 5: of the radio culture, and certainly I was, you know,
- 8:53Speaker 5: at one time familiar with the rock band culture and
- 8:56Speaker 5: recording studio culture, so you know, you know, previously misspace youth.
- 9:00Speaker 5: So yeah, I think it's closer to that end of
- 9:02Speaker 5: the spectrum hopefully JPL. Maybe not quite so manipulative, but
- 9:06Speaker 5: I you know, wouldn't count it out.
- 9:08Speaker 2: Really? Yeah, well, I can.
- 9:10Speaker 5: Tell you the radio culture does a lot of you
- 9:12Speaker 5: don't work here anymore, but we don't know how to
- 9:14Speaker 5: do social media. Can you tell us how to do that?
- 9:17Speaker 5: Even though you know you're on your time? But that's
- 9:19Speaker 5: another story for another time. Let's talk about the service
- 9:23Speaker 5: of Mars. And we said we talk about Martian things.
- 9:26Speaker 5: How about Martian impact sites?
- 9:30Speaker 2: Speaking of social media, the Perseverance Rover gave us a post.
- 9:36Speaker 2: They posted up a pic and it's a great pick.
- 9:40Speaker 2: It's a picture from the Mars Perseverance Rover, also known
- 9:44Speaker 2: as the Mars twenty twenty rover. It's climbing up the
- 9:47Speaker 2: edge of Jesero Crater and this is a giant impact
- 9:51Speaker 2: site so large on Mars that it was once thought
- 9:53Speaker 2: to also be a water basin on the planet Mars.
- 9:57Speaker 2: It's a very interesting site. Yes, the Halloween tie in
- 10:02Speaker 2: is of course a Martian impact site. That sounds spooky enough, right,
- 10:07Speaker 2: But the Perseverance Rover has been climbing up the edge
- 10:10Speaker 2: of this Martian impact site since August and they've been
- 10:16Speaker 2: taking around and they've been driving up the edge of
- 10:19Speaker 2: this it's starting to get a little steep, starting to
- 10:21Speaker 2: get a little bumpy, they spun the thing around and
- 10:24Speaker 2: took a shot of where they had been so that
- 10:28Speaker 2: you can see actually the tire marks across the service.
- 10:31Speaker 2: And by the way, a great article on this on
- 10:33Speaker 2: space dot com if you want to check that out.
- 10:36Speaker 2: You can see this beautiful shot of the Service of
- 10:39Speaker 2: Mars and showing kind of where the rover had been
- 10:43Speaker 2: in its previous journey up to this point. That picture
- 10:46Speaker 2: was taken on September twenty seventh. It was released on Monday,
- 10:49Speaker 2: October twenty eighth, and JPL is now sharing that image
- 10:52Speaker 2: with us. And so this climb that began in mid August,
- 10:58Speaker 2: it's progressing nicely. They expect the Perseverance rover to make
- 11:02Speaker 2: the top rim of this crater, which again think about
- 11:06Speaker 2: how a crater is shaped. The higher you go up,
- 11:08Speaker 2: the steeper the terrain, the more rocky the terrain. They
- 11:11Speaker 2: expect the rover to reach the rim of the crater
- 11:13Speaker 2: by December, so sometime, you know, before the end of
- 11:17Speaker 2: this year, which is very exciting. We have a couple
- 11:20Speaker 2: of quotes from a gentleman by the name of Rick
- 11:22Speaker 2: Welch NASA's jet propulsion laboratory in southern California said this quote.
- 11:27Speaker 2: The image not only shows are past and present, in
- 11:31Speaker 2: other words, where the rover's bend and where it is now,
- 11:34Speaker 2: but also shows the biggest challenge to getting where we
- 11:37Speaker 2: want to be in the future. If you look to
- 11:39Speaker 2: the right, this is still a quote. By the way,
- 11:41Speaker 2: if you look to look at the right hand side
- 11:43Speaker 2: of the mosaic, you begin to get an idea of
- 11:46Speaker 2: what we're dealing with. Mars didn't want us to make
- 11:48Speaker 2: it easy for us, for anyone to get to the
- 11:52Speaker 2: top of this ridge. I've badly read that quote, but
- 11:54Speaker 2: you get the idea. So the notion is that in
- 11:57Speaker 2: the same photo you can see not only where the
- 11:59Speaker 2: rover's bend, where it's going, and it's pretty rough going.
- 12:02Speaker 2: It's pretty rough sledding here once again, if you want
- 12:04Speaker 2: to see this image. Great article on space dot com today.
- 12:09Speaker 5: All right, So I want to be careful with this
- 12:11Speaker 5: because we don't really know exactly. I guess what the
- 12:14Speaker 5: medical issue was. I wanted to make some kind of
- 12:16Speaker 5: a you know, alien type joke to go with this,
- 12:20Speaker 5: from the xenomorphs or anything, but the fact that it
- 12:23Speaker 5: seems to be everything seems to be fine, and that
- 12:26Speaker 5: the astronaut. I'm spoiling all the story, but the astronaut
- 12:29Speaker 5: seems to be fine, so I can I can now
- 12:31Speaker 5: maybe make the joke that we can assume that nothing
- 12:34Speaker 5: popped out of its chest, the astronaut's chest, because we
- 12:37Speaker 5: don't know which astronaut it was, and we don't know
- 12:38Speaker 5: exactly what the condition was. I would just like to
- 12:41Speaker 5: point out, this is one of the Crew eight astronauts
- 12:43Speaker 5: that's now, you know, come back to Earth. You know,
- 12:48Speaker 5: this is technically show number one ninety nine for you
- 12:50Speaker 5: and me for podcasts, because I did one by myself
- 12:54Speaker 5: where I talked about possible medical emergencies on the International
- 12:59Speaker 5: Space Station.
- 13:00Speaker 4: I hope I didn't jink.
- 13:01Speaker 2: Some Well, listen, we like to laugh and have fun
- 13:07Speaker 2: on the show. And the reason at all that there's
- 13:11Speaker 2: any kind of humor and levity in this particular story
- 13:14Speaker 2: is that everybody's okay. So so first of all, that's
- 13:19Speaker 2: the important thing. Crew eight, that's Dragon, the Dragon capsule
- 13:22Speaker 2: crew eate. That mission returned safely and and splashed down
- 13:29Speaker 2: in the in the Gulf of Mexico, and and the
- 13:31Speaker 2: astronauts were recovered from that mission but while re entering,
- 13:35Speaker 2: one of the astronauts did have some sort of a
- 13:38Speaker 2: medical condition, some sort of a medical situation that required
- 13:42Speaker 2: them to be examined, and they were actually hospitalized overnight.
- 13:48Speaker 2: The early word that was coming out is that they
- 13:50Speaker 2: were in stable condition. I think that's kind of scared everyone,
- 13:53Speaker 2: and you know, it's it's good to hear that somebody's
- 13:55Speaker 2: in stable condition because that means they're going to be
- 13:57Speaker 2: okay eventually. But it also sounded kind of but what
- 14:01Speaker 2: it turned out to be is just an overnight stay
- 14:03Speaker 2: for this astronaut. All four of the crew eight returning
- 14:07Speaker 2: astronauts were examined and three were immediately you know, walked
- 14:12Speaker 2: out of the hospital. They were fine. The one person
- 14:14Speaker 2: was kept overnight. Now, NASA has been very good about
- 14:17Speaker 2: not divulging who this was. We don't know who this was,
- 14:22Speaker 2: don't really even want to speculate on who it might
- 14:24Speaker 2: have been. It's just good to know at this point
- 14:28Speaker 2: that all of the crew eight astronauts have returned home.
- 14:31Speaker 2: Everybody's fine, everybody's out of the hospital. And so it
- 14:35Speaker 2: looked a bit like a space disaster, but really everything
- 14:38Speaker 2: is good now.
- 14:39Speaker 5: I would like to point out that if this weren't Halloween,
- 14:42Speaker 5: I wouldn't have even said the word jinx because I
- 14:44Speaker 5: don't really believe in jinxing. So one of the things
- 14:47Speaker 5: I guess about this that's interesting to me, and I
- 14:50Speaker 5: get it as far as you know, keeping privacy for
- 14:54Speaker 5: this astronaut. There are rules in place, laws in place
- 14:58Speaker 5: for just general citizens can concerning our privacy when it
- 15:01Speaker 5: comes to our health, things that can't be violated. I
- 15:05Speaker 5: guess I just kind of assume with astronauts, you know,
- 15:08Speaker 5: it's just kind of, you know, we're a little bit
- 15:11Speaker 5: of more public records, more so than the average person,
- 15:15Speaker 5: because they are constantly tracking what's going on with them
- 15:17Speaker 5: when they're on the International Space Station or even when
- 15:20Speaker 5: they're going up, you know, tracking some of the things. Famously,
- 15:23Speaker 5: in Apollo thirteen, they start pulling things off, like all right,
- 15:26Speaker 5: I'm getting sick of them tracking me down there, you
- 15:28Speaker 5: know that scene, which I assume actually happened. So yeah,
- 15:33Speaker 5: I mean, I guess I'm a little surprised that, and
- 15:36Speaker 5: I'm fine with it. I don't think it's necessarily our
- 15:39Speaker 5: business or whatever collectively is a And I suppose though,
- 15:42Speaker 5: if it were something that were relevant to space in general,
- 15:47Speaker 5: they probably would have told us what it was, and
- 15:49Speaker 5: maybe at some point they will.
- 15:50Speaker 4: I don't know.
- 15:52Speaker 2: You know, there's this interesting gray line. Well, maybe it's
- 15:56Speaker 2: not that great, maybe it's black and white. I just
- 15:58Speaker 2: don't know where it is drawn. Right between the fact
- 16:01Speaker 2: that taxpayers are funding these expeditions and so there's very
- 16:06Speaker 2: much about what happens at NASA's just open records and
- 16:09Speaker 2: everybody can access it. You have that on one side
- 16:12Speaker 2: of the scale. On the other side of the scale,
- 16:13Speaker 2: you have kind of the hipper regulations about protecting somebody's
- 16:17Speaker 2: medical history and background, and so so those two things
- 16:22Speaker 2: kind of maybe appeared to come into conflict with at
- 16:25Speaker 2: least the media coverage of this. I think it's okay
- 16:29Speaker 2: that we don't know. I honestly think that, you know,
- 16:31Speaker 2: if NASA knows that it was a space travel related incident,
- 16:38Speaker 2: Number one, that'll come out eventually in some kind of form.
- 16:43Speaker 2: Number two, if it had been due to the vehicle,
- 16:46Speaker 2: you know, malfunctioning or something happening, something happening with the
- 16:49Speaker 2: actual crew dragon capsule, then the FAA would have got involved.
- 16:54Speaker 2: There have been other you know, other regulatory organizations would
- 16:58Speaker 2: have began to be involved, and so we would hear
- 17:00Speaker 2: about engineering issues. It doesn't appear at this point to
- 17:03Speaker 2: be any kind of an engineering situation. Just somebody wasn't
- 17:08Speaker 2: feeling well when they came back in for medical reasons
- 17:11Speaker 2: that belonged to them and them alone, and therefore everybody
- 17:15Speaker 2: checked out fine at the hospital. Even the astronaut with
- 17:18Speaker 2: the medical situation was released the next day. I think
- 17:21Speaker 2: it's okay that we just, you know, maybe move on
- 17:24Speaker 2: from the story. And the big thing is it's not
- 17:27Speaker 2: going to delay other crews going up to the International
- 17:30Speaker 2: Space Station on board a Dragon capsule, which I think
- 17:32Speaker 2: was maybe the major concern.
- 17:34Speaker 4: It all makes sense, all makes sense.
- 17:36Speaker 5: I just kind of surprised to know that it wasn't like,
- 17:40Speaker 5: I think it's good that they're keeping it private. It
- 17:42Speaker 5: just sort of surprised me coming up after a quick
- 17:45Speaker 5: break Aliens question mark, we'll talk about that after this.
- 18:09Speaker 5: Probably just in teasing, this should have gone a little further,
- 18:12Speaker 5: and said Aliens question mark, possibly in our own solar
- 18:17Speaker 5: system question mark. So yeah, let's talk about Titan.
- 18:24Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know, we're a podcast, so we're trying
- 18:28Speaker 2: to get your attention.
- 18:29Speaker 5: So yeah, we had Halloway a little bit, and it's Halloween.
- 18:32Speaker 2: Yeah, we might, and it's Halloween. We might have reached
- 18:35Speaker 2: a little bit with the aliens thing. But what do
- 18:37Speaker 2: you have to have to have aliens, like say in
- 18:39Speaker 2: our own solar system, Well, you have to have some
- 18:42Speaker 2: kind of an environment that life could possibly exist in. Well,
- 18:47Speaker 2: what kind of things do you need for life? Well,
- 18:50Speaker 2: one of the things that we know for life on Earth,
- 18:53Speaker 2: so in other words, life similar to that as we
- 18:56Speaker 2: know it. You need water. You need hydrogen and oxygen
- 19:00Speaker 2: combining into water molecules, and better than that, you need
- 19:03Speaker 2: liquid water. Okay, Well, what else do you need? Well,
- 19:06Speaker 2: you need hydrocarbons because after all, we are a carbon
- 19:10Speaker 2: based life ecosystem here on Earth, and so therefore you
- 19:15Speaker 2: need these hydrocarbons to exist. So so things like ethane
- 19:20Speaker 2: and methane and you know those kinds of things. So
- 19:23Speaker 2: so what else do you need, Well, you need you
- 19:24Speaker 2: need some kind of a mechanism to warm things so
- 19:28Speaker 2: that you know, things exist at the right temperature for
- 19:32Speaker 2: liquid water to exist and all of these chemicals to
- 19:36Speaker 2: you know, slosh around together and hopefully then maybe produce life. Okay,
- 19:40Speaker 2: So that's the that's the real quick one on one. Well,
- 19:43Speaker 2: we have this weird moon in our Solar system, and
- 19:46Speaker 2: we know it's weird. It's actually the largest moon are
- 19:50Speaker 2: in the Saturnian system. It's the second largest moon in
- 19:53Speaker 2: the entire Solar System. It is Saturn's moon called Titan.
- 19:58Speaker 2: And what we've known on Titan for a Walter aile
- 20:00Speaker 2: is that there are both in the atmosphere and in
- 20:03Speaker 2: liquids on the surface hydrocarbons such as methane and ethane,
- 20:10Speaker 2: and there's also water ice. So Titan has already been
- 20:14Speaker 2: an interesting location for searching for possible conditions for alien
- 20:19Speaker 2: life to have formed because we know all these elements
- 20:23Speaker 2: are there. But now, after both an analysis of NASA
- 20:27Speaker 2: data and some modeling done, there is a team of
- 20:31Speaker 2: astronomers from the University of Hawaii that has released the
- 20:35Speaker 2: idea that there may be up to a six mile
- 20:39Speaker 2: thick ice crust on Titan that is mostly made out
- 20:47Speaker 2: of water ice mixed with methane.
- 20:51Speaker 6: And so this methane world might have this very thick
- 20:55Speaker 6: crust of methane ice that below it conditions could exist
- 21:01Speaker 6: that actually warm that underlying eyesll make it a liquid
- 21:06Speaker 6: and then produce an environment where life could possibly exist because.
- 21:11Speaker 2: You have all the right chemistry already. So so no,
- 21:15Speaker 2: we're not saying there's aliens there. All we're saying is
- 21:18Speaker 2: this is a really interesting discovery. How did they figure
- 21:22Speaker 2: this out? Well, in part, they're looking at craters on
- 21:26Speaker 2: the surface of Titan that would have slammed into the
- 21:29Speaker 2: upper part of this thick mile crust. Those craters are
- 21:32Speaker 2: just a whole lot more shallow than they would be
- 21:36Speaker 2: if they were running into a dirt or regolith or
- 21:40Speaker 2: those kinds of components that we think about being on
- 21:42Speaker 2: the lunar surface. So because of these shallow craters, and
- 21:47Speaker 2: by the way, there's only about ninety craters, so that
- 21:49Speaker 2: means that most of the craters have been erased by
- 21:52Speaker 2: some kind of a process. There just are not very
- 21:54Speaker 2: many craters on Titan, and the ones that are there
- 21:57Speaker 2: are very shallow. It looks like that there might be
- 22:01Speaker 2: this thick ice crust that's both erasing old craters through
- 22:07Speaker 2: some kind of an erosion process erosion and refreezing, and
- 22:11Speaker 2: also that just produces the kind of surface that when
- 22:16Speaker 2: an asteroid impact occurs, it can't penetrate down very far.
- 22:19Speaker 2: It's really hard. It's a really hard surface, and so
- 22:23Speaker 2: it looks like from those pieces of evidence, according to
- 22:26Speaker 2: the astronomers here at the University of Hawaii at Manoa,
- 22:30Speaker 2: that we think that there's probably a really thick methane
- 22:33Speaker 2: crust on Titan. So here's a quote from Lauren Shermer,
- 22:37Speaker 2: who is the Shermeyer I'm sorry, Lauren Shermeyer, who's the
- 22:41Speaker 2: lead researcher on this. Here's the quote. Quote. This was
- 22:44Speaker 2: very surprising because based on other moons, we expect to
- 22:48Speaker 2: see many more impact craters on the surface and craters
- 22:51Speaker 2: that are much deeper than what we observe on Titan.
- 22:54Speaker 2: We realize something unique to Titan must be making them
- 22:58Speaker 2: become shallower and disappear relatively quickly unquote. So so there
- 23:04Speaker 2: again the two processes I just described. One, when the
- 23:06Speaker 2: thing comes in, it hits, it's hitting this really thick
- 23:10Speaker 2: frozen material that's not just dirt. And number two, because
- 23:14Speaker 2: it's an ice crust, it tends to melt refreeze melt
- 23:18Speaker 2: refreeze which can eliminate or erase some of the craters
- 23:21Speaker 2: that are a little bit older on the surface. So
- 23:23Speaker 2: that's what it looks like they're seeing on Titan, and
- 23:26Speaker 2: it makes Titan that much more of an interesting place
- 23:30Speaker 2: to investigate for possible conditions for life on other worlds
- 23:34Speaker 2: right here in our own Solar system. That story, by
- 23:37Speaker 2: the way, coming from Hawaii dot Edu, but it's out
- 23:40Speaker 2: there on many of the space news sources as well.
- 23:42Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about dead stars.
- 23:46Speaker 4: This one.
- 23:46Speaker 5: Maybe this one maybe a little bit of a reach.
- 23:48Speaker 4: I know they're all kind of a reach.
- 23:49Speaker 5: When it comes to trying to make it Halloween related,
- 23:51Speaker 5: but dead stars astronomers have found the fastest spinning neutron star.
- 23:57Speaker 5: It seems like a reason to queue the Pointer sisters,
- 23:59Speaker 5: and let's just start listening to them.
- 24:01Speaker 2: Why not. I'm doing the dance in my head right now.
- 24:04Speaker 5: I mean, it's hard not to when you hear the word,
- 24:08Speaker 5: it's really hard not to imagine Axl Foley in the
- 24:12Speaker 5: back of that truck, slamming around with all that stuff
- 24:14Speaker 5: hanging on to those that netting on that anyway.
- 24:17Speaker 2: Which would be a lot like a companion star would
- 24:20Speaker 2: feel to a neutron star. I would think, I feel
- 24:22Speaker 2: like Axl Folly flying around in the back of a
- 24:24Speaker 2: pickup truck. Yeah, trying to hold on for dear life.
- 24:27Speaker 2: I'm just imagining.
- 24:28Speaker 5: Yes, indeed, so let's talk about what it means that
- 24:31Speaker 5: it's the fastest spinning neutron star, Like, what does that
- 24:34Speaker 5: mean exactly?
- 24:35Speaker 2: What I found funny West when I was doing the
- 24:37Speaker 2: show prep today is that earlier this summer, we did
- 24:40Speaker 2: a story on the slowest spinning neutrients. I remember, yes, yeah,
- 24:43Speaker 2: that was back in June. So we talked about the
- 24:46Speaker 2: slowest ever spinning neutron star. Now we have the fastest
- 24:50Speaker 2: spinning neutron star. I'm glad that we've covered the entire
- 24:53Speaker 2: gamut of spin speeds for neutron stars in this year's
- 24:57Speaker 2: Made of Stars broadcast.
- 24:59Speaker 5: My challenge to is tronomers is to find the one
- 25:01Speaker 5: that's the perfect median, Like what is the star that
- 25:04Speaker 5: is exactly in the middle. That's what we want to
- 25:07Speaker 5: find in a neutron star.
- 25:10Speaker 2: That would be amazing. We should we should do that ourselves.
- 25:15Speaker 2: We should we need to find it. I would also
- 25:18Speaker 2: students on it.
- 25:19Speaker 5: I would also just like to point out it would
- 25:20Speaker 5: be hard for me not to go, like look at
- 25:22Speaker 5: the two like back and forth, where you go like
- 25:24Speaker 5: camera one, camera two, you go fastest, slowest, fastest, slowest, slowest, fastest, fastest, slowest.
- 25:31Speaker 4: That'd be tough for me.
- 25:32Speaker 2: Why are you so fast? Why are you so slow?
- 25:37Speaker 2: I just don't understand, all right, So here's the story.
- 25:39Speaker 2: So the story is this that through examining an X
- 25:43Speaker 2: ray binary star, there was actually a variability pattern discovered
- 25:50Speaker 2: in the X rays coming from an X ray binary. Okay,
- 25:54Speaker 2: so yes, I'm using jargon. So what's an X ray binary? Well,
- 25:57Speaker 2: an X ray binary is a dead star like oh,
- 26:01Speaker 2: I don't know, a neutron star for instance, that's pulling
- 26:04Speaker 2: material off of a companion star like oh, I don't
- 26:08Speaker 2: know a red super giant or giant star. And so
- 26:12Speaker 2: the material that's being pulled off the companion star is
- 26:16Speaker 2: spins around in a disc. We call it that an
- 26:18Speaker 2: accretion disks, and if it spins fast enough, it emits
- 26:22Speaker 2: X rays. And so we see the X rays coming
- 26:25Speaker 2: from from this binary pair of stars. All right, So
- 26:29Speaker 2: if one of those stars happens to be this neutron star, well,
- 26:34Speaker 2: the variability in the X rays can give us information
- 26:38Speaker 2: on how fast the star is spinning. Let me pause
- 26:43Speaker 2: right there and remind everybody about the other way that
- 26:47Speaker 2: we measure the spin speeds of neutron stars. Some neutron stars.
- 26:51Speaker 2: When they're lined up just right, they point their magnetic
- 26:56Speaker 2: field axes right at the Earth, and along those magnetic
- 27:00Speaker 2: field axes because of the strength of the magnetic field,
- 27:03Speaker 2: they've being charged particles at the Earth, which also generate
- 27:07Speaker 2: radio waves, so we know those as pulsars. Pulsars seem
- 27:15Speaker 2: to pulse in radio frequencies because of this spinning magnetic
- 27:19Speaker 2: axis on a dead neutron star. Okay, So it turns
- 27:23Speaker 2: out that the fastest ever rotating neutron star discovered by
- 27:29Speaker 2: the pulsar method was seven hundred and sixteen rotations per second.
- 27:37Speaker 2: In other words, seven hundred and sixteen herts, and hurts
- 27:42Speaker 2: is just a measure of radio frequency variability, the variability
- 27:46Speaker 2: in radio frequencies, right, all right, So this thing is
- 27:50Speaker 2: oscillating out a frequency of seven hundred and sixteen herts,
- 27:53Speaker 2: So that's super fast. It's spinning around seven hundred and
- 27:57Speaker 2: sixteen times a second, something with the mass greater than
- 28:01Speaker 2: the mass of our sun, spinning around, approaching a thousand
- 28:05Speaker 2: times per second, but not quite there. Seven hundred and
- 28:07Speaker 2: sixteen times per second. Okay, Well, it turns out that
- 28:11Speaker 2: now that this group has done research on the variability
- 28:16Speaker 2: from the X ray binary. They found something really interesting.
- 28:21Speaker 2: It's spinning around at ready, ready, ready, seven hundred and
- 28:25Speaker 2: sixteen hurts exactly, so that means they found a second
- 28:33Speaker 2: neutron star that spinning with exactly the same rate of
- 28:37Speaker 2: rotation as the fastest ever discovered rotating neutron star, one
- 28:44Speaker 2: from the method of observing pulsars, the other from the
- 28:47Speaker 2: method of observing X ray binaries. That means there might
- 28:53Speaker 2: be something special about the rotation frequency of seven hundred
- 28:58Speaker 2: and sixteen hurts. Perhaps astronomers examining neutron stars on two
- 29:05Speaker 2: different methods of have discovered a rotation rate that's exactly
- 29:14Speaker 2: the same for the two fastest known rotating neutron stars.
- 29:18Speaker 2: That might be some kind of a physical speed limit.
- 29:23Speaker 2: So now as this is discovered, it's going to be
- 29:26Speaker 2: very interesting to see if astronomers are ever able to
- 29:30Speaker 2: locate a faster spinning neutron star by either method or
- 29:33Speaker 2: by some other method. But for right now, that seems
- 29:37Speaker 2: to be some sort of a physical speed limit for
- 29:40Speaker 2: the rotation rate of dying corpses of stars that we
- 29:45Speaker 2: call neutron stars.
- 29:47Speaker 5: Shifting gears completely from Halloween to Election day. So Tuesday
- 29:56Speaker 5: isn't just election day, it's also the final music under
- 30:02Speaker 5: the Dome of twenty twenty four, not for the season,
- 30:05Speaker 5: just for the calendar year of twenty twenty four. There'll
- 30:09Speaker 5: be some more chances to check it out coming next year,
- 30:12Speaker 5: but this is your final chance to see it before
- 30:15Speaker 5: the holidays, not counting Halloween of twenty twenty four.
- 30:20Speaker 2: Why are you trying to frighten me?
- 30:22Speaker 4: Wes? It got so much scarier than any of her
- 30:26Speaker 4: other stories.
- 30:27Speaker 2: We start talking about a list of you know, death
- 30:30Speaker 2: from the sky's space stories, and then you really said
- 30:34Speaker 2: something frightening. Yeah, but okay, here we are. So November first, friends,
- 30:39Speaker 2: you know, at some point you're either gonna have mailed
- 30:42Speaker 2: in your ballot, you're gonna have done an early voting session,
- 30:46Speaker 2: and or maybe you just stop by the polls. My
- 30:49Speaker 2: recommendation if you're waiting till November first to vote, not
- 30:55Speaker 2: November first, if you're waiting for election date of but
- 30:58Speaker 2: this is what November first anyway. If you're waiting for
- 31:00Speaker 2: election day to vote, I would say vote before five pm,
- 31:07Speaker 2: especially if you're in the Columbus Georgia area, because you
- 31:10Speaker 2: can drop by the Coca Cola Space Science Center and
- 31:13Speaker 2: have a nice glass of wine and wine and cheese
- 31:19Speaker 2: a buffet, and then walk into the Omnosphere Theater. Sit
- 31:23Speaker 2: back in a not as comfortable as it used to be,
- 31:26Speaker 2: but still comfortable planetarium seat recline, look at the dome
- 31:31Speaker 2: and hear the beautiful music produced by the schwob School
- 31:34Speaker 2: of Music, their talented faculties and students at Columbus State
- 31:37Speaker 2: University playing performing live inside the Atmosphere Theater while you
- 31:43Speaker 2: look up a beautiful artwork that's originally produced for the
- 31:46Speaker 2: show up on the dome. Now you've had some wine
- 31:49Speaker 2: and cheese. Now you're in a relaxing planetarium. Now you're
- 31:52Speaker 2: listening to music and enjoying the wonders of space. So
- 31:57Speaker 2: maybe you're not thinking about the scariest day of the year.
- 32:01Speaker 5: The important thing at that point is that you're just
- 32:04Speaker 5: able to relax a little bit. I mean, I know,
- 32:05Speaker 5: you can stress about the results later, but if you've
- 32:08Speaker 5: cast your ballot and you've done your civic duty, it's
- 32:11Speaker 5: really out of your hands at that point. That's where
- 32:13Speaker 5: your responsibility ends. And then you know, you just wait
- 32:16Speaker 5: to find out what happened.
- 32:17Speaker 2: I would say just get it done before the concert,
- 32:19Speaker 2: and you know, put it behind you, because, as Wes
- 32:22Speaker 2: just said, you've done all you can do. Yeah.
- 32:24Speaker 5: And for our friends in Alabama who don't have early voting,
- 32:27Speaker 5: you know you'll be it will apply to you there
- 32:29Speaker 5: here in the Chattahoochee Valley.
- 32:31Speaker 4: They don't get a chance to do that. Many of
- 32:33Speaker 4: my friends going, why can't we just vote early? And
- 32:36Speaker 4: you go, I don't know. I don't know the answer
- 32:38Speaker 4: to that question.
- 32:38Speaker 5: But in the case of those people, yes, get in
- 32:41Speaker 5: there and vote early so that you can also join
- 32:44Speaker 5: us at the at the planetarium there for music under
- 32:48Speaker 5: the dome.
- 32:50Speaker 2: It's a great concert. It is unlike encouraging word I
- 32:54Speaker 2: can offer for people. There are still tickets available and
- 32:57Speaker 2: so you're going to see a wonderful concert experience. I'm
- 32:59Speaker 2: so sorry that it's on, you know, the second Halloween.
- 33:02Speaker 2: I'm sorry that it's on that day, the election day,
- 33:04Speaker 2: but anyway, it's it is the day. It is right,
- 33:06Speaker 2: it's the first Tuesday of the month, and so we're
- 33:09Speaker 2: gonna do it. I would use it as election relief.
- 33:12Speaker 2: Come by, enjoy the concert and friends, if you're interested
- 33:14Speaker 2: in the entire concert series as Wes mentioned we're gonna
- 33:17Speaker 2: have three concerts in the spring of twenty twenty five,
- 33:20Speaker 2: all part of our same academic here, so therefore part
- 33:23Speaker 2: of our same concert season. You can find out about
- 33:26Speaker 2: all of this information and more of action and adventure
- 33:29Speaker 2: at Columbustate University's Coca Cola Space Science Center through the website.
- 33:33Speaker 2: Check it out www dot cc SSC dot org. Charlie
- 33:40Speaker 2: Charlie SamSam Charlie dot org.
- 33:42Speaker 5: Sean and I thank you for listening, and we'll do
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