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FRIDAY NIGHT SPECIAL: ESTRANGED WIFE OF ACCUSED MONEY MANAGER SEX-TRAFFICKING SUSPECT HOWARD RUBIN INSISTS " HE'S A FAMILY MAN. SET HIM FREE" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: In the last hours, the wife of a money manager
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Speaker 2: sex trafficker suspect Howard Ruben insists her husband is quote
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Speaker 2: a family man who should be freed on bond. I'm
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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank
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Speaker 2: you for being with us. Yes, love is blind. I
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Speaker 2: guess former financier and depraved sex trafficker suspect millionaire Howard
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Speaker 2: Ruben is actually a loving grandfather and father who should
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Speaker 2: walk free on fifty million dollars bond. And he's got
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Speaker 2: it too, by the way, says his wife in new
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Speaker 2: court documents. If he's such a great fan, family man
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Speaker 2: and you love him so much, why are you estranged?
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Speaker 2: Why weren't you living together in holy matrimony? Mary Henry
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Speaker 2: writes a letter to the court demanding the judge spring
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Speaker 2: her bond trading husband Howard Ruben on a whopper bell
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Speaker 2: package so he can continue quote spending time with his
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Speaker 2: three young grandchildren translation torturing women and his sap dungeon.
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Speaker 1: Oh who said that? Oh? It was me?
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Speaker 2: Has she lost her mind? Or is he paying her
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Speaker 2: to write this letter? That's possible because this is what
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Speaker 2: we know. Poward Ruben, multi millionaire financier.
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Speaker 1: A money manager.
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Speaker 2: That's what he's called a money manager. He manages other
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Speaker 2: people's money, much like Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein, who apparently brought in,
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Speaker 2: you know, a couple of million dollars, but somehow I
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Speaker 2: was transferring out five hundred million dollars to overseas accounts,
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Speaker 2: including Russian banks that were on the US watch list.
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Speaker 2: What is it with these money managers? And how does
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Speaker 2: this guy, not Epstein, but Reuben allegedly lure women, educated
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Speaker 2: women into his sex dungeon that he personally had sound proofed. Okay,
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Speaker 2: right there, right there, I need a shrink. Right now,
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Speaker 2: let's go straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining
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Speaker 2: us out of LA She's the author of deal Breaker.
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Speaker 2: You can see her now on Peacock and find her
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Speaker 2: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Right there, a soundproof dungeon.
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Speaker 2: I mean, when an artisan a worker gets to call
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Speaker 2: from a dude that wants to sound proofed dungeon and
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Speaker 2: you go in there and you see it's a torture chamber,
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Speaker 2: doesn't that like wave a red flag of alarm? What
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Speaker 2: freak wants a sound proof torture dungeon, a freak who
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Speaker 2: has sexual sadism disorder.
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Speaker 3: In other words, somebody who can only get sexually aroused
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Speaker 3: when the victim is humiliated, frightened, or terrified.
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Speaker 2: And Nancy.
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Speaker 3: Maybe this is why he's a financial planner. Maybe he
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Speaker 3: needed to make a lot of money so he could
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Speaker 3: build that dungeon and buy all of that equipment.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's just take it from the top.
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Speaker 4: Listen to this Wall Street money manager Howard Rubin busted
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Speaker 4: by Feds at his Fairfield Connectic get home for decade
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Speaker 4: long sex trafficking with the help of assistant Jennifer Powers.
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Speaker 4: Howie Rubin accused of luring women into BDSM sex sessions,
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Speaker 4: then torturing and raping them. Ken Jane Doees listed as
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Speaker 4: victims in the indictment, but prosecutors say there are dozens
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Speaker 4: more and are calling for tips.
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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 2: what we know. Right now, Straight out to Megan Palin,
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Speaker 2: your journalist from the New York Post who has been
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Speaker 2: all over this. I mean really now, everybody here in
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Speaker 2: the studio is piping up that it only costs five
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars to soundproof a dungeon. I don't know where
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Speaker 2: they have that knowledge. But that said, this guy, I
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Speaker 2: wouldn't call him just a money manager with you because
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Speaker 2: he's he's worth millions and millions of dollars. I don't
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Speaker 2: mean one or two million dollars, I mean multi millions
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Speaker 2: of dollars. And this has been going on for a
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Speaker 2: long time. Why has it just been uncovered? But let's
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Speaker 2: just start at the beginning. Who is this guy?
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Speaker 1: Howard Ruben.
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Speaker 5: He grew up in Massachusetts. He's got a chemical engineering degree.
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Speaker 5: He was very successful on Wall Street once he moved in,
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Speaker 5: originally as a bond trader and then kind of climbed
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Speaker 5: his way up through the ranks from there and ended
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Speaker 5: up becoming so successful at least financially.
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Speaker 3: And he moved around in.
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Speaker 5: For trophy philanthropic circles. He was well known for donating.
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Speaker 2: Hug the way, put her up, Put her up, Megan Palin,
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Speaker 2: you just said he quote moved around in philanthropic circles.
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Speaker 1: You mean he was a benefactor.
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Speaker 2: He gave a lot of money away, and everybody thinks, oh,
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Speaker 2: Howard Rubens, this great guy that cares about the needy
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Speaker 2: b s. According to police, Megan, he is strapping women
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Speaker 2: to the Holy Cross, you know, and I feel about
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Speaker 2: that and other apparatus, and then electrocuting them in their genitals.
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Speaker 1: With an electric cattle prod.
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Speaker 2: Let's say that's what gets my attention, not his fate philanthropy,
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Speaker 2: of course.
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Speaker 3: And absolutely it's what he was known for.
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Speaker 5: Prior to while he was obviously hiding or it was
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Speaker 5: a well kept secret in terms of publicly this extremely sadistic, dark,
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Speaker 5: horrid side of himself, which is now. I mean, the
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Speaker 5: claims first came out about ten years ago, so he
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Speaker 5: has been known for these things for some time now.
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Speaker 1: But this is sort of very way wait wait, wait again.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to interrupt, but Megan.
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Speaker 2: Did you say that this was this was like an
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Speaker 2: open secret.
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Speaker 5: Everyone knew what was happening ten years ago when their
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Speaker 5: first civil suit was filed in twenty seventeen. Yes, that's
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Speaker 5: when it all first sort of coming here, he started
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Speaker 5: coming undone.
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Speaker 2: Okay, first civil suit was over, was about ten years ago, Okay,
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Speaker 2: joining me right now is a renowned criminal defense attorney,
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Speaker 2: a veteran trial lawyer, founder of Reuben Law. No relation.
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Speaker 2: I assume Danny Ruben is joining us out of La Danny,
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Speaker 2: before you put on your defense hat and start arguing
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Speaker 2: with me, Ken, I just talked about the duality here,
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Speaker 2: the d of going to these you know, ten thousand
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Speaker 2: dollars a plate, philanthropic events dinners where rich people walk
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Speaker 2: around sniffing of each other, and it's a scene. It's
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Speaker 2: a scene like a nightclub scene, or you know, just
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Speaker 2: any scene. The same people go over and over and over,
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Speaker 2: and I'm glad they do, because they do wonderful things
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Speaker 2: for the needy. But the facade that he has created
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Speaker 2: of this benefactor while all the time the word is
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Speaker 2: he's torturing women and a sex dungeon after luring them.
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Speaker 2: There just that duality, you know, you tell that to
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Speaker 2: a jury, it's like putting a nun up for the defense.
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Speaker 2: Of course they're going to a believer.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think that the duality is important. I
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Speaker 6: agree with you. On the one hand, it might be
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Speaker 6: a mask to what's going on elsewhere. On the other
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Speaker 6: he might actually care about certain things that he's donating to.
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Speaker 6: But I do want to say that these things are
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Speaker 6: alleged right now, They're they're not a given, they're not proven,
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Speaker 6: and he's innocent soil proven guilty. I think we have
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Speaker 6: a lot more to get into before we can start
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Speaker 6: casting judgment on whether.
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Speaker 2: Did or didn't Reuben. Anybody watching crime stories knows about
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Speaker 2: the presumption of innocence, and as predicted, you only gave
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Speaker 2: the first portion of that charge to the jury, or
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Speaker 2: presumption of innocence, and I believe you will agree with
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Speaker 2: me that the actual charge is that the defendant is
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Speaker 2: presumed innocent. I would like to see him, please, that's
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Speaker 2: not him. The charge is to the jury that the
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Speaker 2: defendant is presumed innocent unless and until the state pierces
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Speaker 2: an overcome that presumption with evidence proving guilt beyond a
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Speaker 2: reasonable doubt. You always seem to kind of leave off
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Speaker 2: the left hat last half of that sentence regarding presumption
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Speaker 2: of innocence.
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Speaker 1: Ruben is presumed innocent.
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Speaker 2: He is innocent tonight unless and until the state pierces
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Speaker 2: the presumption of innocence with evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Speaker 2: Would you agree that that is the judicial charge.
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Speaker 6: I agree that that's the charge. But all we have
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Speaker 6: right now is the public is the indictment, and whatever's
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Speaker 6: in the civil suit. I personally am looking forward to
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Speaker 6: what transpires in this case. I want to see what
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Speaker 6: the alleged witnesses have to say. A grand jury has
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Speaker 6: heard it. I would like to hear it. I think
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Speaker 6: the public should hear it. And I think as we
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Speaker 6: get closer to trial date than this, if it does
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Speaker 6: ever go to trial, we'll start to hear more and
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Speaker 6: more about the evidence.
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Speaker 2: Danny Rubin another question to you, and again, this is
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Speaker 2: neither defansw er state oriented. It's like a horrible deja vous.
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Speaker 2: It's happening all over again. We just saw this with
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Speaker 2: Sean Combs, we saw it with r. Kelly, we saw
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Speaker 2: it with Epstein over and over and over. Where As
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Speaker 2: you just heard Megan Palin with the New York Post
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Speaker 2: state that there was a civil suit alleging the same
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Speaker 2: things in twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 1: Where's the government? Where are they?
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Speaker 2: Why has it taken them seven years to bring this
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Speaker 2: case to a criminal trial.
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Speaker 1: I have a problem with that.
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Speaker 2: What have they been doing?
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Speaker 6: I think what they were waiting for was the trial
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Speaker 6: that took place I believe in twenty twenty two or
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Speaker 6: twenty twenty three. They wanted to see what testimony came out,
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Speaker 6: and I think that Howard testified in that case, both
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Speaker 6: at his deposition and that a trial. They want to
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Speaker 6: make sure that they have a slam dunk case, considering
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Speaker 6: they have an egg on their face from the Ditty case.
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Speaker 6: I know that when we all know that didn't go
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Speaker 6: the way that the Ausa's office wanted it to go.
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Speaker 6: Getting four years in change is not was not the
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Speaker 6: goal of the office. So I think now they're bringing
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Speaker 6: this case and they want to make sure they have
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Speaker 6: an ironclad I can't promise you they do. No one
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Speaker 6: really knows that yet. But again, as more evidence comes out,
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Speaker 6: we'll see how well cooked this case is.
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Speaker 2: Guys, this guy with every advantage still charged with major
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Speaker 2: major offenses, sex offenses and more.
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Speaker 1: Who is this guy?
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Speaker 2: Listen?
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Speaker 7: Ruben is accused of luring victims, first in luxury Manhattan
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Speaker 7: hotels and later his eighteen thousand dollars per month penthouse
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Speaker 7: apartment equipped with a soundproof sex dungeon. Women were bound
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Speaker 7: on a bed or across and beaten and electrocuted while
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Speaker 7: they were provided with a safe word. The pleas of
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Speaker 7: those who weren't gagged went ignored, and the torture often
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Speaker 7: continued even when a woman fell on conscious. Ruben allegedly
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Speaker 7: paid the women several thousand dollars afterwards, including for injuries
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Speaker 7: that required medical attention, like a flipped breast implant.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that sounds really painful, a flipped breast implant.
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Speaker 1: It goes so much further than that.
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Speaker 2: Lin Shaw joining me, founder and director of Lynn's Warriors,
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Speaker 2: dedicated to the eradication of sexploitation of women and sex trafficking.
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Speaker 2: And let me remind you it is a non profit.
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Speaker 2: She's certainly not doing it for the money. How is
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Speaker 2: it that these multimillionaires mingle at, for instance, charity functions
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Speaker 2: for ten twenty thousand dollars a plate for Pete's sake,
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Speaker 2: and nobody will call them on their bad behavior. And
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Speaker 2: we see it over and over again. There's Diddy, we
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Speaker 2: pointed out, this is are near with NXVM. There is Epstein,
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Speaker 2: there is are Kelly, there's year in Fogel. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I could just list him off the top of my head,
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Speaker 2: on and on and on rich or famous.
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Speaker 1: People that get away with this.
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Speaker 2: And as in your backyard, Landshaw, what you may have
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Speaker 2: brust ams with this guy.
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Speaker 1: I am living in the devil's playground.
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Speaker 8: This building is around the corner for me, and it
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Speaker 8: has tighter security than Fort Knox did. He was arrested
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Speaker 8: directly across the street. Epstein was a neighbor. I ask you,
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Speaker 8: where has everybody been? What is going on? Who was
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Speaker 8: complicit with this? This Jennifer Powers and this Howard Rubert
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Speaker 8: And I'm not giving him a cute nickname because I
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Speaker 8: am disgusted in the name of all of the victims.
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Speaker 8: How was this allowed to go on for so long?
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Speaker 8: How did for instance, door men and medical professionals and
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Speaker 8: other people. It wasn't just these two doing all this,
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Speaker 8: not ten you know, not see things with these women.
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Speaker 8: And yes, in New York they just seem to float
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Speaker 8: because you know what happens new York happens in other
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Speaker 8: places too. Money talks. That's all people care about money
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Speaker 8: or taking a picture with somebody of wealth and floating
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Speaker 8: around town and showing up at events. But you know what,
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Speaker 8: people knew. People knew because we started hearing a lot
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Speaker 8: of whispers two to three years ago about this, and
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Speaker 8: we also heard that women were warning other women, do not,
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Speaker 8: no matter how much money is thrown at you, do
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Speaker 8: not go and visit with this guy. As they put
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Speaker 8: it to me, do not get near this guy. So
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Speaker 8: I ask everybody again, we're on repeat. Let's talk about
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Speaker 8: the victims, let's talk about who's helping them, and let's
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Speaker 8: talk about why the justice system is taking so long
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Speaker 8: to do anything about all of these cases.
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Speaker 1: I mean, who's next.
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Speaker 8: I expect tomorrow another case to pop up in my neighborhood.
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Speaker 2: My case has been going on for years, speaking of
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Speaker 2: the perfect facade and this guy's philanthrop it worked, his
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Speaker 2: charity work, and how many dollars he gave away to
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Speaker 2: the needy, how many fancy gallas.
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Speaker 1: He went to?
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Speaker 2: What were the fads and the local authority's LA law enforcement?
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Speaker 2: My people blinded by his money and his local famele
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Speaker 2: I'm not blinded.
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Speaker 1: Here is part of his facade.
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Speaker 9: Rubin becomes a Wall Street commodity while he trades bonds
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Speaker 9: at Solomon Brothers. Ruben profiled in Michael Lewis's book Liar's
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Speaker 9: Poker for his contributions to the collateralized mortgage obligation market.
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Speaker 9: Ruben goes on to senior positions at Merrill Lynch, bear
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Speaker 9: Stearn's and Soros Fund Management. Mary's fellow financier Mary Henry,
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Speaker 9: and the couple is very active in the NYC philanthropy scene.
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Speaker 9: After three children and thirty six years of marriage, Henry
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Speaker 9: divorces her husband when he is accused of sexual violence.
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Speaker 7: Howard Rubin and his former assistant Jennifer Powers have allegedly
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Speaker 7: been drafficking and transporting at least half a dozen women
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Speaker 7: across state lines.
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Speaker 1: For a decade.
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Speaker 7: Most of these women were former playboy models.
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Speaker 2: These women educated beautiful, many of them models, and he
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Speaker 2: would ictl like he's taking them out on a date.
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Speaker 2: We've spoken to restaurant employees state Oh, here comes Ruben,
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Speaker 2: Here comes horrible Howie, who had always had these beautiful,
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Speaker 2: statuesque women with him. They would charge like hundreds and hundreds,
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Speaker 2: even thousands of dollars dinners, and then he would take
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Speaker 2: them up to his penthouse. I don't know where his
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Speaker 2: wife was during all of this. And we're showing you
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Speaker 2: this because many of them were modeled after this.
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Speaker 1: It ruined their careers.
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Speaker 2: That is when they would be lured into his soundproof
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Speaker 2: sex dungeon. One thing that is perplexing me is a
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Speaker 2: woman named Jennifer Powers. Jennifer Powers, his personal yes, her
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Speaker 2: personal assistant.
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Speaker 1: How does she fit into this listen.
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Speaker 4: Ruben Dash, Jennifer Powers, his personal assistant, was recruiting baked.
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Speaker 4: Powers is arrested at her home in a Dallas Fort
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Speaker 4: Worth suburb, accused of running the day to day operations
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Speaker 4: of Rubens sex trafficking scheme and being paid handsomely. Powers
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Speaker 4: arranged the victims travel and coerce them into signing NDAs
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Speaker 4: that were later used to threaten legal consequences and public shame.
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Speaker 4: Powers oversaw the victim's payments, distributing funds from Ruben and
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Speaker 4: amounts up to ten thousand dollars per session.
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Speaker 2: And NDA non disclosure agreement. You've heard of those. That's
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Speaker 2: where you get someone to sign away you've see in
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Speaker 2: exchange for something the ability to ever discuss what they
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Speaker 2: have witnessed? Okay, who is Jennifer Powers? The Devil's minion?
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Speaker 2: According to prosecutors Meghan Palin joining us from the New
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Speaker 2: York Post, Meghan, who is Powers?
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Speaker 5: I was started out as Reuben's personal assistant in twenty eleven, and,
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Speaker 5: according to the indictment, quickly became basically.
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Speaker 3: His aid for this alleged trafficking scheme.
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Speaker 2: This guy, Howard Rubin, It's just amazing to me. Too,
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Speaker 2: Danny Rubin, no relation. I hope he had everything going
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Speaker 2: for him. He graduates with a degree in engineering that's
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Speaker 2: not easy from Lafayette College, then goes on and gets
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Speaker 2: his NBA at Harvard. I'm sure Harvard is so proud
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Speaker 2: tonight they yet another one of their NBA grats has
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Speaker 2: on gone onto greatness. He had everything going for him.
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Speaker 2: How did he degenerate into this? You know, very often
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Speaker 2: we see criminal defendants that, let's just say, our dope dealers,
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Speaker 2: no education, rap sheet as long as your arm starting
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Speaker 2: in juvenile court. This guy was pristine. He had a
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Speaker 2: choice not to do this.
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Speaker 1: Ruben.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, honestly, everyone's actions are their own. But
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Speaker 6: first and foremot Just wait, that's what you've got to say.
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Speaker 2: Everyone's actions are their own. Please, Reuben, tell me something
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm talking about someone with so much advantage,
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Speaker 2: a silver spoon stuck down their mouth at birth. They've
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Speaker 2: got it all, yet they resort to a life of crime,
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Speaker 2: horrible crime. This isn't a t by teeth if by taking,
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Speaker 2: This is not a five dollars crack kit. This is
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Speaker 2: violent crime on women where he would beat them and
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Speaker 2: their face and their breast. That's how that breast implant
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Speaker 2: got slipped. That didn't just happen. I mean, how do
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Speaker 2: you go from having it all to this?
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Speaker 6: Well, there are two ways they look at this. The
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Speaker 6: first is is he is he doing this of his
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Speaker 6: own volition? Is it actually his own conduct or is
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Speaker 6: it the product of mental health issue? As Megan talked
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Speaker 6: about it.
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Speaker 2: Please let me see him say this. Okay, you are
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Speaker 2: you do have a straight face. This is a Harvard
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Speaker 2: NBA worth millions and millions of dollars near forty million dollars.
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Speaker 1: He had the sense to call him, hey.
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Speaker 2: Hey, can you soundproof my sex dungeon so I can
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Speaker 2: torture flight attendants? Really, and you're saying there's a minimum?
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Speaker 2: What are you saying?
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Speaker 6: Seeing it's possible? I think that we can't rule it
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Speaker 6: out until someone takes a look at him and says, okay, well,
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Speaker 6: what's the issue. There's certainly a divide and certainly something
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Speaker 6: antisocial if what's said in the complaint is true, if
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Speaker 6: someone is actually working.
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Speaker 2: A mental illness to hurt that antisocial Okay, what that's
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Speaker 2: not a mental illness? Anti social is But you're saying
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Speaker 2: mental illness and you're doing it antisocial, like that's misleading
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Speaker 2: people to think that is a mental illness rube and
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Speaker 2: it's not.
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Speaker 6: It's cool. My point is that maybe I miss misspoke
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Speaker 6: by saying anti social. What I mean is that it's
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Speaker 6: not normal. Normal people aren't making sex dungeons. Normal people
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Speaker 6: aren't torturing other people just done. So the question is,
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Speaker 6: like you said before, why is it because you had
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Speaker 6: the privilege or because there's something else that's a little
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Speaker 6: bit deeper. Maybe it's both, but I think.
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Speaker 2: That are you suggesting motive You said that that's why
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Speaker 2: it's it's really not.
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Speaker 1: State doesn't have to prove it. You do know you're right.
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Speaker 1: You can't just throw that out.
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Speaker 2: There and pretend to think I'm not going to hear it.
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Speaker 6: Oh. I just think it's going to be mitigative. I
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Speaker 6: think that if we if there is an issue of
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Speaker 6: mental health, of mental health, it may come up later
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Speaker 6: at sentencing, but I think the question is we and
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Speaker 6: I would owe it to a client, is to figure
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Speaker 6: out why this actually happened and at least get them assessed.
21:38
Speaker 6: And like I said before, this is entirely adnorable behavior.
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Speaker 6: If what's in the complaint is true.
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Speaker 1: Crime, stories with Nancy Grace.
21:54
Speaker 2: In the Last Days, former financy year and depraved sex
21:58
Speaker 2: traffic suspect. How is painted as a family man, a
22:05
Speaker 2: loving father and grandfather who should be freed on bond
22:09
Speaker 2: so he can spend time with his grandchildren. B s
22:15
Speaker 2: technical legal response. And this is why I bet you
22:19
Speaker 2: can't find one law book, one case that was actually
22:24
Speaker 2: affirmed on peel that says antisocial behavior equals mental defect
22:30
Speaker 2: or not normal as you put it, equals a mental
22:35
Speaker 2: illness that's not going to happen. Can you point to
22:37
Speaker 2: one of those books behind you and showed me one
22:40
Speaker 2: case that was affirmed where that actually worked. Yes, I know,
22:43
Speaker 2: we've got the twinkie defense, We've got the pre minsal defense,
22:48
Speaker 2: we've got the temporary insanity defense. All of those aren't legit.
22:52
Speaker 2: They've actually worked in court. But not normal or anti
22:56
Speaker 2: social behavior has not worked as a mental defect.
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Speaker 6: No, I completely agree with you. What I meant, what
23:04
Speaker 6: I what I'm trying to say is that it's mitigated.
23:08
Speaker 6: I think that if there is, let's say, a conviction
23:10
Speaker 6: down the line, certainly that's going to factor into sentencing.
23:14
Speaker 6: And I think that if you do have some sort
23:17
Speaker 6: of mental health issue. The question is going to be
23:19
Speaker 6: does it actually is it sufficient enough that he didn't
23:23
Speaker 6: understand what he was doing was wrong at the time.
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Speaker 6: I don't necessarily think you'd get there with sufficient evidence.
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Speaker 1: Why do you think it was.
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Speaker 2: Chamber? It is a secret because he knew he had
23:36
Speaker 2: to hide it, because he knows that beating women in their.
23:39
Speaker 1: Breasts is wrong.
23:42
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I have mind, this feel, I've
23:45
Speaker 2: exhausted it. I'm gonna let Danny Rubin think about what
23:50
Speaker 2: he just said. Doctor Bethany Marshall help me out. This
23:54
Speaker 2: guy did so much to conceal his behavior, and as
23:58
Speaker 2: I don't know, Ruby might come up with a case
24:01
Speaker 2: that actually says differently, But I don't think so. Evidence before, during,
24:05
Speaker 2: and after an event a crime can be shown to
24:10
Speaker 2: a jury. Why what matters before and after the crime? Intent,
24:16
Speaker 2: course of conduct, frame of mind, motive that shows for instance,
24:22
Speaker 2: if you flee the scene, it shows, hey, I got
24:25
Speaker 2: to get out of here. I know I just killed somebody,
24:27
Speaker 2: or I just committed a crime. Keeping his sex dungeon
24:31
Speaker 2: secretive to me would be evidence of knowledge of guilt.
24:36
Speaker 2: But could you You got to hand it to Ruben
24:38
Speaker 2: All right, he wins a lot of cases. And he
24:41
Speaker 2: said all that with a straight face, and I would
24:44
Speaker 2: say a good fifty percent of it was true.
24:49
Speaker 3: Well, he said that Reuben had a site like a
24:51
Speaker 3: mental health defect. He didn't. That would be schizophrenia, bipolar,
24:56
Speaker 3: something like that. He wouldn't have got through Harvard with
25:00
Speaker 3: a psychiatric disorder. Now, Rubin did say antisocial, which is
25:04
Speaker 3: a fancy word for sociopath, So we could hold out
25:07
Speaker 3: in the back of our minds, sociopaths relate to others
25:10
Speaker 3: through cruelty and power illness. It is not a mental illness.
25:15
Speaker 3: It's just a personality disorder. Nancy. Let's make clear Rubin
25:20
Speaker 3: could only get an erection by beating women up. That's
25:24
Speaker 3: it torturing them in reality. In the real world, he's
25:27
Speaker 3: a little man with a huge compulsion. He goes to
25:32
Speaker 3: these philanthropic events so he can mine for victims people
25:37
Speaker 3: who are a sociopathic And I'm not sure I've never
25:39
Speaker 3: seen him, but they want to associate with high network
25:43
Speaker 3: individuals because they can get something from them. It makes
25:47
Speaker 3: them feel powerful, it makes them feel big, and this
25:50
Speaker 3: is what he wanted to feel with his victims down Nancy,
25:53
Speaker 3: he was very manipulative. Okay, he offered them money, he
25:57
Speaker 3: would take them to these fancy dinners and use the
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Speaker 3: term b DSM as if this was like a consensual
26:05
Speaker 3: relationship with somebody tying another person up and then giving
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Speaker 3: them a safe word, and when that person says the
26:12
Speaker 3: safe word, you know you release the ropes. This was
26:15
Speaker 3: not that. This was a torture chamber dressed up as
26:21
Speaker 3: something different. And one final thought, Nancy so Si passed,
26:24
Speaker 3: where's something that we call the mask of sanity, meaning
26:28
Speaker 3: they know that they're different from other people in society,
26:31
Speaker 3: so they learn to move and act in a way
26:34
Speaker 3: that appears normal so they can compensate for their defects,
26:38
Speaker 3: when in fact, this guy had a compulsion that was
26:41
Speaker 3: organizing his entire life.
26:45
Speaker 2: Bethany, please don't say defect anymore as it relates to
26:48
Speaker 2: Howard Rubin, because Dan Danny Ruben will hear that and
26:53
Speaker 2: he will run with it, claiming there's some kind of
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Speaker 2: mental defeate.
26:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot Ruben.
26:57
Speaker 2: I forgot to throw in about him graduate from Harvard.
27:01
Speaker 2: Good luck trying to claim mental defect. You know you're
27:05
Speaker 2: bringing to mind. Brian Coberger, I hadn't can say his
27:10
Speaker 2: name and his attempt to claim he had some kind
27:13
Speaker 2: of mental defect because he let's see, there were so
27:17
Speaker 2: many things he tried. He tried that he was under
27:19
Speaker 2: the spectrum ocd oh. At the end, it was sad
27:24
Speaker 2: he was even claiming Danny. He was even claiming that
27:27
Speaker 2: he had an eating disorder, as if that's somehow justified
27:31
Speaker 2: what he did or it should be a mitigating factor
27:33
Speaker 2: in sentencing.
27:35
Speaker 1: In the end, it worked out pretty well.
27:36
Speaker 2: For him because he had a really weak prosecutor that
27:40
Speaker 2: kind of let him off the hook. But Bethany, please,
27:43
Speaker 2: I'll say defect again because Ruben of the Danny variety
27:48
Speaker 2: will run with it like a dog and a bone.
27:51
Speaker 2: Dan Murphy former NYPD detective sergeant, Joint Terrorism Task Force,
27:57
Speaker 2: former chief security Officer, anchor and star of Gold Seals podcast,
28:04
Speaker 2: also author Dan Usually, I agree with you, but I'd
28:10
Speaker 2: like to point out that this is right down the
28:12
Speaker 2: street from you, and everybody else knew what was going on,
28:16
Speaker 2: since there was a civil suit back in twenty seventeen,
28:20
Speaker 2: but nobody in LA law enforcement did anything.
28:25
Speaker 6: Well.
28:25
Speaker 2: Was he giving too much to the police fund?
28:29
Speaker 10: I wish I knew, I wish I knew why no
28:31
Speaker 10: one did anything. Maybe maybe no one had come forward
28:35
Speaker 10: and filed a formal complaint other than the civil one.
28:38
Speaker 10: And as oddly as that sounds, there's a bureaucratic process
28:41
Speaker 10: to filing police reports, to getting investigation started. Perhaps that
28:45
Speaker 10: was the case. Perhaps someone looked into it and they
28:47
Speaker 10: decided they needed more. Sometimes these investigations take a long
28:50
Speaker 10: time to tie this upone, this one up right, You're
28:53
Speaker 10: going to want to make sure you have credible witnesses.
28:56
Speaker 10: You're going to want to make sure that you have
28:57
Speaker 10: corroberative evidence, and you're going to want to make sure
28:59
Speaker 10: you have somebody somebody flipping and giving this person up.
29:03
Speaker 10: I would look to have tape recorded conversations with him
29:06
Speaker 10: where he discusses this sort of thing. I'd look to
29:08
Speaker 10: collect texts and emails and anything else I could that
29:11
Speaker 10: can corroborate the stories being told by these victims. And
29:15
Speaker 10: maybe that was going on. I don't know, but I
29:17
Speaker 10: can tell you that the people I worked with the
29:18
Speaker 10: law enforcement, if we had learned about this, they would
29:21
Speaker 10: have been a case assistant.
29:22
Speaker 7: Jennifer Powers would handle the operations, logistics, recruiting and booking
29:26
Speaker 7: the women's flights, managing payments, restocking his dungeon, and getting
29:30
Speaker 7: the women to sign NDA's Ruben apparently spending over one
29:34
Speaker 7: million dollars to fund the enterprise.
29:37
Speaker 2: At what point do you look up and say, why
29:41
Speaker 2: am I restocking a torture chamber? I really didn't imagine
29:46
Speaker 2: as a little girl that I would grow up restocking
29:48
Speaker 2: a torture chamber.
29:49
Speaker 1: Who is this woman?
29:51
Speaker 2: You just heard Dan Murphy from gold Shields podcast, former
29:56
Speaker 2: NYPD detective sergeant that Dan Murphy talking about out when
30:01
Speaker 2: was the first police report filed? Because cops can't just
30:04
Speaker 2: go forward when nobody has made a complaint, even though
30:07
Speaker 2: there was a twenty seventeen civil lawsuit laying all of
30:12
Speaker 2: this out right now, the fat actually asking for victims
30:17
Speaker 2: to come forward, much as they did in the Sean
30:19
Speaker 2: Combs case. But I want to get to Jennifer Powers
30:22
Speaker 2: because I find it very odd that she went along
30:26
Speaker 2: lockstep with all of these crimes.
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Speaker 1: According to police listen.
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Speaker 7: For more than ten years, Powers entire life funded by
30:35
Speaker 7: financi your boss Howard Ruben down to her iTunes account.
30:38
Speaker 7: Ruben's funding kicks in in twenty twelve, allowing Powers to
30:41
Speaker 7: afford a nineteen sixty six convertible Lincoln Continental as a
30:44
Speaker 7: wedding gift to her husband. The couple takes lavish vacations
30:47
Speaker 7: in following years when their children are old enough to
30:50
Speaker 7: attend school, Ruben Bank rules, private educations, and even a
30:53
Speaker 7: mortgage for a home in the wealthy south Lake suburb
30:56
Speaker 7: for Powers.
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Speaker 1: Holy moly.
30:59
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, he paid for a lavish wedding convertible Link
31:04
Speaker 2: and Continental Vintage, pays for a children's private school, and
31:11
Speaker 2: the mortgage for their home and a ritzy suburb in
31:16
Speaker 2: South Lake. Okay, you know what. It took criminal investigators
31:25
Speaker 2: a long time to finally try and bring this guy down.
31:30
Speaker 2: The guess who is about three inches up their tail pipe.
31:36
Speaker 2: When criminal prosecutions fail, the taxman does the cleanup Listen.
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Speaker 9: Despite Powers working part time as a substitute teacher in
31:47
Speaker 9: carol isd and her DJ husband reporting just forty thousand
31:51
Speaker 9: dollars in income since twenty eighteen, the family pays off
31:54
Speaker 9: five hundred thousand dollars in credit card bills, lives in
31:57
Speaker 9: a home valued at one point seven million dollars. The
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Speaker 9: children attend private school, and they take luxurious family vacations.
32:05
Speaker 9: The IRS finds the Powers failed to report nearly nine
32:08
Speaker 9: million dollars in income received from Howard Ruben, Jennifer Power's
32:11
Speaker 9: former boss. The couple is charged with tax fraud, for
32:14
Speaker 9: which neither have made a first appearance.
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Speaker 2: Right row, what happened to Megan Palin? I mean, if
32:21
Speaker 2: the local authorities LA law enforcement won't lift a finger,
32:24
Speaker 2: the tax men will, right, Okay, what is this all about?
32:29
Speaker 5: Look, they've been living a life of luxury by all
32:33
Speaker 5: accounts for many years. Social media posts have emerged from
32:37
Speaker 5: Jennifer Powers that show them on all of these luxury
32:40
Speaker 5: holidays all around the world, and they had I think
32:45
Speaker 5: it was nearly nine million dollars in total given to
32:48
Speaker 5: them by Ruben. So for her, she's obviously benefited greatly
32:54
Speaker 5: from this partnership.
32:55
Speaker 2: Guys, this would not be the first time the tax
32:59
Speaker 2: man and did the dirty work for law enforcement. I'm
33:03
Speaker 2: sorry to say that right to your face. Dan Murphy,
33:06
Speaker 2: former NYPD to take to sergeant Joint Terrorism Task Force.
33:10
Speaker 2: It goes on and on and on. I mean, you've
33:13
Speaker 2: heard of al Capone, right Murphy, al Capone, the head
33:21
Speaker 2: of the mob him and you've probably heard of Wesley Snipes,
33:27
Speaker 2: the famous actor MC hammer. Remember the hammer.
33:32
Speaker 1: It goes on.
33:33
Speaker 2: Willie Nelson, Pete Rose, Martha Stewart, all of them, all
33:40
Speaker 2: of them got into a tangle with the taxman Danny Ruben.
33:45
Speaker 2: When Ellie won't lift a finger and won't go forward,
33:48
Speaker 2: the Irs will and you better run. Like you see
33:52
Speaker 2: the grim Reaper outside your living room window, just staring
33:55
Speaker 2: at you. Oh yeah, and I'm not talking about hey, hey,
34:00
Speaker 2: you have to pay us back. They will put you
34:02
Speaker 2: in jail and you will rot in there.
34:06
Speaker 6: That is one hundred percent right. And let me tell
34:09
Speaker 6: you it is very clear that I am that anyone
34:13
Speaker 6: should respect and fear the Irs. Everyone should should report
34:17
Speaker 6: their taxes as they should. In fact, make sure you
34:21
Speaker 6: do it right, make sure you do it often. They
34:24
Speaker 6: are merciless. And many times, as you said before, they
34:28
Speaker 6: brought down al Capone. When Elliott Ness couldn't bring down
34:30
Speaker 6: al Capone and they couldn't find anything on them, the
34:33
Speaker 6: Irs did and they got it for taxi vision and
34:35
Speaker 6: put them in Algatratz. So it is a very stupid
34:38
Speaker 6: person who does not respect the Irs.
34:40
Speaker 2: Man, I'm telling you, like I said, grim Raper looking
34:43
Speaker 2: in your kitchen window. You try to make some coffee
34:45
Speaker 2: there they are staring at you. Don't do it, you know,
34:49
Speaker 2: I want to get to the phenomena. And I've seen
34:50
Speaker 2: it before Danny Rubin, and I'm sure you have two
34:55
Speaker 2: where you have a thug in this case Ruben Howard
35:01
Speaker 2: Ruben aka Horrible Howie. But why would someone go along
35:07
Speaker 2: with his crimes? I'm talking about powers? Why would she
35:12
Speaker 2: go along with it? I mean she has everything, she's got,
35:16
Speaker 2: this husband, this home, these children, for Pete's sake, we
35:21
Speaker 2: risked all of that just for money?
35:24
Speaker 10: Hell no?
35:26
Speaker 1: Why?
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Speaker 6: I mean it's probably a number of things. Again, assuming
35:30
Speaker 6: everything that complained is true, we're talking about it. Access
35:33
Speaker 6: to not just money, but a lot of money. Nine
35:36
Speaker 6: million dollars is a lot of money. And you're hobnaming
35:39
Speaker 6: with people who are of very high social status and
35:43
Speaker 6: very high wealth individuals. I mean, you don't just get
35:46
Speaker 6: that access from anyone, and being part of that world
35:51
Speaker 6: can change you. Being part of that world gets you
35:54
Speaker 6: access to things you wouldn't normally get and sometimes if
35:58
Speaker 6: you're asked to do something distasteful, maybe it's one of
36:01
Speaker 6: the it's that access which keeps you coming back, and
36:04
Speaker 6: eventually you become dependent on it. You start going on
36:07
Speaker 6: let's say, vacations or private school or whatever, and you
36:10
Speaker 6: start to get those golden handcuffs where now you're roped
36:12
Speaker 6: in sometimes and as you do things over time, potentially
36:16
Speaker 6: it doesn't seem as bad as it was yesterday or
36:18
Speaker 6: the day before, and tomorrow is going to be a
36:20
Speaker 6: little better. As you get more and more accustomed to it,
36:24
Speaker 6: it can be wharping to your personality.
36:27
Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall is living high on the hog, having
36:31
Speaker 2: all the luxury trips, the beautiful home, they ventage, convertible car,
36:37
Speaker 2: the private skills, all that. Is it like an addiction?
36:41
Speaker 3: No, I think the money is only a small part
36:43
Speaker 3: of it. I think in every organization, usually these kinds
36:48
Speaker 3: of criminal enterprises, there is a woman somewhere who is
36:51
Speaker 3: willing to abuse other women. Look, we saw it with
36:54
Speaker 3: Gilan Maxwell, with the Jeffrey Epstein case. What about the
36:58
Speaker 3: FLDS cult where there were women within that organization suppressing
37:04
Speaker 3: other women. So I would believe that I would guess
37:07
Speaker 3: that Jennifer Powers has in her very personality or her
37:11
Speaker 3: character the capacity for great cruelty towards other people. Otherwise
37:17
Speaker 3: she wouldn't do this. She seems very bright, and like
37:20
Speaker 3: she could have made money otherways, get a job, you know,
37:24
Speaker 3: for God's sake, but she must feel and take some
37:27
Speaker 3: secret satisfaction in women being punished, tortured, electrocuted and then
37:37
Speaker 3: texting this guy Ruben back and forth about it. So
37:41
Speaker 3: when women act in concert with a man to abuse
37:44
Speaker 3: other people, it is always nancy because they are taking
37:48
Speaker 3: some pleasure and satisfaction from it, beyond the monetary game.
37:53
Speaker 3: That's just icing on the cake. But they are sayis themselves.
37:57
Speaker 1: Guys, it's not just dumb doing his bidding.
38:02
Speaker 2: When you see their text messages back and forth between
38:07
Speaker 2: each other.
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Speaker 1: It's sick.
38:09
Speaker 2: Listen.
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Speaker 9: In text messages, Ruben shares horrifying details of his exploits
38:13
Speaker 9: with Powers and casual conversation, Powers asks for details. When
38:18
Speaker 9: Ruben says he used the cross in his last session,
38:21
Speaker 9: I can only imagine what you did to her on
38:23
Speaker 9: that cross. Did you shock her? Ruben responds with a
38:26
Speaker 9: complaint that his cattle prod isn't as strong as it
38:29
Speaker 9: used to be.
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Speaker 2: Lynshaw, this is the type of conversation that I would
38:34
Speaker 2: expect from a pimp talking to another pimp about how
38:40
Speaker 2: some of the Johns torture the women or the girls.
38:45
Speaker 2: This is a guy in your neighborhood that attends all
38:50
Speaker 2: of these glitzy gallas raising money. Yeah, him for the needy,
38:55
Speaker 2: a multi millionaire Harvard grad and his hints person the
39:00
Speaker 2: reals abub to his satan. They're laughing about shocking ladies
39:06
Speaker 2: genitals with a shot device after forcing her, binding her
39:13
Speaker 2: to across.
39:14
Speaker 8: Listen to what we're talking about, Jennifer Powers, do you
39:17
Speaker 8: know how disappointing and horrific she is a woman doing
39:22
Speaker 8: this to other women, all of the cases I can
39:24
Speaker 8: think of. I'm sitting here trying to think in my
39:26
Speaker 8: mind there's now a woman involved. They're doing all the
39:30
Speaker 8: dirty work, and this woman is laughing about all of
39:33
Speaker 8: this and taking joy. And I agree a thousand percent
39:36
Speaker 8: with doctor Bethany. She really nailed it. There's something wrong
39:39
Speaker 8: with this woman. And my goodness, couldn't she even think
39:42
Speaker 8: of her children and clean it up and get out
39:46
Speaker 8: of this or not do it at all. But here's
39:48
Speaker 8: the thing, this is why we have women who don't
39:50
Speaker 8: want to come forward. Girls who don't want to come forward.
39:53
Speaker 8: They see another woman does this, and they're seeing again
39:56
Speaker 8: that dynamic of power wealth, and they're seeing it wasted
40:00
Speaker 8: on this and this is why we can't get them
40:02
Speaker 8: to come into court to testify. It's falling apart. This
40:05
Speaker 8: is another case, another example, and again a woman doing
40:10
Speaker 8: this to another woman. I can't imagine. This is just
40:12
Speaker 8: not exploitation. This is morally corrupt. This is evil, evil happening.
40:17
Speaker 8: And you know what, I'm just going to throw this in.
40:19
Speaker 8: A friend of mine in real estate said, there's a
40:21
Speaker 8: big demand lately. She told me this about three months
40:24
Speaker 8: ago for these sex dungeons and people's apartments here in
40:27
Speaker 8: New York. How horrific is this that people are normalizing
40:30
Speaker 8: and becoming habituated to these terrorist acts horrific on women.
40:37
Speaker 1: The majority of the victims are women.
40:40
Speaker 2: To Sidney Sumner joining me Crime Stories Investigative Reporter in
40:44
Speaker 2: other text messages, Sidney Sumner, isn't it true that this
40:49
Speaker 2: hint person Powers? Jennifer Powers speaks freely, even in writing,
40:58
Speaker 2: in text messages, recorded conversations. For instance, I don't care
41:03
Speaker 2: if she screams next to a laughing face emoji, words
41:09
Speaker 2: like this will be fun, exclamation, exclamation, another she hates submits,
41:16
Speaker 2: she's so desperate, We've got to make her cry stating
41:21
Speaker 2: that they will give the victim quote plenty of valuume
41:24
Speaker 2: so she can endure more pain. Repeat, We've got to
41:28
Speaker 2: make her cry. That's part of the state's evidence, is
41:32
Speaker 2: it not, Sidney Sumner.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely, and not only were these conversations over text message,
41:39
Speaker 11: but on Ruben's work email discussing what was happening in
41:44
Speaker 11: that sex dungeon. So these text messages evidence that Ruben
41:49
Speaker 11: was just so brutal. He enjoyed the women's pain. It
41:54
Speaker 11: was a horrible situation, and Ruben and Powers are just
42:00
Speaker 11: talking about it casually over text, laughing about the victim's pain.
42:06
Speaker 2: Danny Rubin, The defense has a big problem when these
42:09
Speaker 2: text messages come out with the laughing face emoji beside
42:14
Speaker 2: their plans. Have you read this indictment? According to the state,
42:19
Speaker 2: the defendant, Howard Ruben would conduct sex sessions like say felonies,
42:27
Speaker 2: multiple times a week, sometimes on consecutive days, one after
42:31
Speaker 2: the next, after the next. Where was the wife did
42:33
Speaker 2: she not notice anything weird was happening? It goes on
42:37
Speaker 2: and on and on. But when you have your client
42:41
Speaker 2: Danny using work email to plan a crime, they're basically, uh,
42:50
Speaker 2: let me just say.
42:52
Speaker 1: Creek without a paddle.
42:54
Speaker 2: They wrote it down Nanny on the work email.
42:57
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's not a great fact. I think what
43:01
Speaker 6: they're going to want to focus on is whether or
43:03
Speaker 6: not the acts were consented to. And I know, I
43:06
Speaker 6: know how the complaint reads. I know that there's a
43:08
Speaker 6: civil case. But just because some and part of it is,
43:12
Speaker 6: they're going to want to introduce the NBA's they're going
43:14
Speaker 6: to want introduce the fact that there's a presumption of consent.
43:19
Speaker 6: Of course, you can revoke consent at any time. Many
43:21
Speaker 6: of the women and the complaints said that they did.
43:23
Speaker 6: But they're going to want to show that there was consented,
43:25
Speaker 6: that it was not revoked, the consent was properly obtained,
43:29
Speaker 6: and that this this after discussion about what it occurred,
43:35
Speaker 6: is going to be tangential to.
43:37
Speaker 2: The consent crime stories with Nancy Grace. His estranged wife,
43:53
Speaker 2: Mary Henry writes, quote, I understand far too well the
43:57
Speaker 2: series charges before the court. I can speak from my
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Speaker 2: own experience when I say they do not represent the
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Speaker 2: Howie Ruben. I saw a caring father, a loving son
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Speaker 2: in law, a devoted grandfather known affectionately as Pops. Well
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Speaker 2: that's not what the women called him as they were
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Speaker 2: bound to a cross and tortured with an electric prod. Oh, sorry, misstatement.
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Speaker 2: They couldn't say anything because they were gagged. Women.
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Speaker 1: These women, many of them, consented to a date.
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Speaker 2: They did not know that they were going to be
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Speaker 2: handcuffed to a cross in a dungeon and be shocked
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Speaker 2: with a cattle prod all over their body to where
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Speaker 2: they were screaming if they could, because many of them
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Speaker 2: were gagged. According to court documents, they couldn't even scream.
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Speaker 2: They would be passed out, they would be drugged. And says,
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Speaker 2: how can you consent to that?
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Speaker 1: How can you can sent.
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Speaker 2: To a crime?
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Speaker 10: You can't in a case like this, These people were
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Speaker 10: absolutely sold a bill of goods that turned out to
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Speaker 10: be completely and sadly incorrect. He's a manipulator, he's a liar.
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Speaker 10: He knows how to get people to do what he
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Speaker 10: wants them to do. He knows how to keep it secret,
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Speaker 10: he knows how to pay people off. He knows how
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Speaker 10: to do all the things we've seen now in the
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Speaker 10: Ditty case, the Epstein case, and who knows how many
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Speaker 10: more cases like this out there. Money talks as well
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Speaker 10: as persuasion, Manipulating people is something these people do very
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Speaker 10: very well, and in this case they did that, but
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Speaker 10: it fell apart, as they all do at some point,
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Speaker 10: it falls apart. Now in this case, these poor women,
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Speaker 10: they went up there thinking it was going to be
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Speaker 10: a date, maybe they were going to make a few
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Speaker 10: bucks whatever. They had no idea what they were going
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Speaker 10: getting themselves into. And that is a very very scary thing.
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Speaker 10: And I can imagine that the wealth and power of
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Speaker 10: this individual and his world scared them into silence for
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Speaker 10: a long time. You have a few maoris in this foot.
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Speaker 2: I'm not imbursing you.
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Speaker 3: It's just that I don't I don't feel comfortable.
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Speaker 6: I don't have a fight with beautiful preeze.
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Speaker 7: If I'm not going to do anything, I swear my
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Speaker 7: children please come in on everything.
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Speaker 3: I'm a famous guy, very uncomfortable. He's coming now and
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Speaker 3: one minute.
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Speaker 6: And if you want to leave when the guy comes.
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Speaker 2: In my tree, I please.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I just come on. I'm used to that.
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Speaker 2: That was another all time a whole that was Harvey Weinstein,
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Speaker 2: and he was threatening and coercing Ambra Mattaliana into sex acts,
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Speaker 2: unwanted sex acts, and the same techniques were used to
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Speaker 2: Meghan Palin joining us from the incredible New York Post. Meghan,
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Speaker 2: the defense there and the defense here is that these
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Speaker 2: women agreed to what was happening and then had second
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Speaker 2: thoughts when it was over or it went too far.
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Speaker 2: Bottom line, that they essentially consented to the acts. Apparently,
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Speaker 2: finally LA law enforcement came out of their trance and
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Speaker 2: started investigating this case and it's file charges. They apparently
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Speaker 2: disagree with that theory of consent.
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, it's pretty obvious that things change once
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Speaker 5: they got there, because even after the case, once they'd
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Speaker 5: left this sex dungeon, there's text messages that have come
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Speaker 5: out that show that these women were texting Jennifer Powers
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Speaker 5: explained that their injuries were so severe to various degrees,
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Speaker 5: and she was responding telling them to ice them to
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Speaker 5: deal with them in other such ways. These were all
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Speaker 5: sort of like it appears to be part of the
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Speaker 5: management at the aftermath of things that they certainly weren't
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Speaker 5: expecting to get out of it. When they entered this apartment, which,
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Speaker 5: by the way, I know you mentioned earlier that you'd
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Speaker 5: wondered where his.
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Speaker 6: Wife had been.
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Speaker 5: This penthouse was not his residential property. It was least
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Speaker 5: eighteen thousand dollars a month, specifically for these sexual escapades
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Speaker 5: that he was having there.
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Speaker 2: Megan, I'm curious you're describing how powers the catch person,
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Speaker 2: the secretary, as you said, managed the victims. What were
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Speaker 2: there injuries that we know of?
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, the most severe one that we've heard
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Speaker 5: of so far was the breast implant that was flipped
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Speaker 5: upside down because she'd been beaten so hard by Reuben
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Speaker 5: with a closed fist that it had physically switched sides
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Speaker 5: within her body and then later required surgery. Others were
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Speaker 5: talking about bruising and pain to their bodies and whatnot.
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Speaker 5: The full extent of the injuries we haven't heard yet.
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Speaker 5: I guess it's all going to come out at some stage,
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Speaker 5: but they were severed from the details that we have
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Speaker 5: heard so far, particularly the breasting plan.
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Speaker 2: To doctor Bethony Marshall, I know you just heard our
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Speaker 2: friend Megan Palin from the New York Post to be
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Speaker 2: a lady in her breasts so violently it flips the implant.
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Speaker 2: Just how does anyone derive pleasure out of that?
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Speaker 3: Nancy? This is what we call a perversion, and specifically
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Speaker 3: this is sexual sadism, where watching the humiliation, the suffering,
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Speaker 3: and the fear of the victim causes the perpetrator to
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Speaker 3: become sexually aroused. Now, what's interesting is that men with
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Speaker 3: sexual sadism, they have a very hard time becoming aroused
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Speaker 3: in normal ways with normal women out in the world.
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Speaker 3: So if they were having lunch date or in a
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Speaker 3: business meeting or something where there where it's an equal
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Speaker 3: playing field with other women, this guy would have lost
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Speaker 3: interest in those women. He can't deal with real people
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Speaker 3: with thoughts, feelings, and emotions of their own. But there
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Speaker 3: is some theory that when that aggression and sexuality is
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Speaker 3: processed through the same part of the brain, and in
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Speaker 3: brain scans with these kinds of perpetrators, the amygdala lights up.
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Speaker 3: The aggression center of the brain, the part of the
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Speaker 3: brain that's responsible for sexual pleasure, also lights up. So
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Speaker 3: these two things are kind of fused and confused. Aggression arousal,
50:40
Speaker 3: those two things go together in this disorder. And also
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Speaker 3: it's a compulsion. People with compulsions, as I said earlier,
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Speaker 3: they organize their entire life around the compulsion. So everything
50:52
Speaker 3: you look at that he did, even getting married and
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Speaker 3: having children, that might have just been a way to
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Speaker 3: cover up his sexual deviancy so he could pass as
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Speaker 3: normal in society.
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Speaker 2: Danny Ruben veterans try a lawyer out of LA. I
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Speaker 2: got a question for you. It's a personal question. When
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Speaker 2: you're representing people such as Howard Ruben and you're sitting
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Speaker 2: there beside them, do you ever get totally disgusted, totally
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Speaker 2: schethed out and just want to, like, right now, even
51:23
Speaker 2: talking about this, I just want to get it, run
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Speaker 2: out of the studio, screaming as if I'd seen a monster.
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Speaker 3: It's just.
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Speaker 1: How do you do it?
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Speaker 2: How do you quell those thoughts that aversion and keep
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Speaker 2: a straight face and keep doing it because that's your
51:42
Speaker 2: duty as a defense lawyer, to the utmost of your
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Speaker 2: ability to save your client. How do you deal with that?
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Speaker 6: I look at all the facts, the first and foremost.
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Speaker 6: I don't judge clients as to what happened. That's obviously
51:56
Speaker 6: if you if you have to do that, and you
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Speaker 6: do that, you have no busines as being a defense attorney.
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Speaker 6: The fact is, I look at the facts, the documents,
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Speaker 6: look what they say, and I look at what the
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Speaker 6: testimony shows, and I want to determine what, if anything,
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Speaker 6: our defenses are, and then what the prosecution has to prove.
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Speaker 6: It's the prosecution's job to get in there and make
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Speaker 6: their case. And if they can make their case, my
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Speaker 6: job is exceedingly difficult. That's true, And again it's up
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Speaker 6: to them. When I sit next to a client and
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Speaker 6: the client is accused of this, I look at it
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Speaker 6: just like that. He is accused. He is not guilty.
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Speaker 6: He has not done these things until a jury of
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Speaker 6: our peers says that he has. And it is my
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Speaker 6: job to take a look at that evidence, to present
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Speaker 6: the evidence to the jury, and the jury can make
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Speaker 6: the decision based on the evidence that they have.
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Speaker 2: The estranged wife of financier Howard Ruben quote, he would
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Speaker 2: never abandon his family. He has always placed him at
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Speaker 2: the center of his life, as they remain his greatest
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Speaker 2: source of strength, she writes to federal Judge Brian Coogan.
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Speaker 2: He would never abandon his family. Oh, well, where was
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Speaker 2: he all those nights he was torturing women in his
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Speaker 2: soundproof sex dungeon. He wasn't at home making tomato soup
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Speaker 2: and cheese sandwiches. He always placed him at the center
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Speaker 2: of his life. No, he didn't he spent hours and
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Speaker 2: hours and hours a week planning and arranging torture sessions.
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Speaker 2: Federal prosecutors accuse Reuben of alluring dozens That means at
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Speaker 2: least twenty four women to his sound proof sex dungeon,
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Speaker 2: where he tied them up, gagged them, beat them, and
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Speaker 2: electrocuted them. But now his wife insists he's really misunderstood.
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Speaker 2: He's just a family man. Okay, that's bs. Either love
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Speaker 2: is blind or money has blinded her.
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Speaker 3: We wait as justice.
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Speaker 1: Good Bye