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Nick Underhill Talks Saints, Teaching 11 & 12 Personnel, One Last Ask the Bench · Off The Bench

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  Speaker 4: Bench, all right, welcome back in our number three of
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  Speaker 4: O t B. And it is Tuesday. It is nine am.
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  Speaker 4: So you know what that means. We're gonna catch up
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  Speaker 4: with our guy Nick Underhill, New Orleans Dot Football.
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  Speaker 2: Nicholas. How are we doing, sir, gentlemen?
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  Speaker 5: How you doing? I'm doing good.
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  Speaker 4: I guess I should have asked is it Nicholas, because
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  Speaker 4: my dad he's just Joey, not Joseph. His dad was
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  Speaker 4: Tommy Joe, not Thomas Joseph. His brother was Sammy and
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  Speaker 4: not Samuel. So I guess I just assume. But is
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  Speaker 4: it Nicholas?
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  Speaker 3: It is?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah? No, No, nothing weird there. Yeah, Nicholas works.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you hear that dad Nick Underhill called you weird.
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  Speaker 4: Oh hey, I found out some information yesterday. I'm actually
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  Speaker 4: for serious X. I'm gonna be hosting the Saints training
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  Speaker 4: camp practice on July the thirtieth, and so you and
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  Speaker 4: I can have all the sweat their training camp in
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  Speaker 4: Metai together.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to that.
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  Speaker 6: Man.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like thank god Calvin moved the practices up
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  Speaker 5: to like nine and nine thirty in the morning because
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  Speaker 5: Mini camp at OTA's where like noon and like that's
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  Speaker 5: just some like northern er you know, western stuff. Like
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  Speaker 5: you get down here, it's way too hot for that
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  Speaker 5: time of day. But it's still gonna be brutal and
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  Speaker 5: we'll still be sweating, but you know, just a little
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  Speaker 5: bit less.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Look in serious XM.
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  Speaker 4: If you want to send me out to the Irvine
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  Speaker 4: practices as well starting August to sixth, we can make
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  Speaker 4: that happen. So just putting that out there. But I mean,
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  Speaker 4: training camp is truly right around the corner. I mean
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  Speaker 4: we are what two weeks away, really less than two
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  Speaker 4: weeks away outside of the quarterback physician battle. The first
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  Speaker 4: thing when you get out the notepad and you flip
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  Speaker 4: it open, what is the like first note you want
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  Speaker 4: to take because you've been waiting to see it.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I mean the first one I want to take
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  Speaker 5: is definitely I want to see Trevor Penning guard. We
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  Speaker 5: aren't going to see that the first couple of days
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  Speaker 5: because they aren't like really padded practices. But that is
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  Speaker 5: kind of the other the headline thing to me. And
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  Speaker 5: then you know, Covin Banks two, we haven't actually seen
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  Speaker 5: him block somebody, and I think that's kind of the
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  Speaker 5: future of the team. The investments all on the line.
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  Speaker 5: PFF did their like offensive line rankings yesterday. They had
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  Speaker 5: the Saints twenty at that. I think that's that's maybe
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  Speaker 5: short changing them a little bit, but if they cash
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  Speaker 5: in on their potential, it should be a really a
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  Speaker 5: really good group. So that's at the top list. And
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  Speaker 5: then my second bollet point, it's just what's happening at
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  Speaker 5: corner because I think that's imperative too, just in terms
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  Speaker 5: of the team building going forward. If Kool as good,
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  Speaker 5: if Alante is you know, Alante is a fascinating story
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  Speaker 5: right now because I think he has like a similating
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  Speaker 5: skill set, but it hasn't quite materialized in the type
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  Speaker 5: of production consistently that you want. And I think that's
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  Speaker 5: a little bit beyond his control, just and that they've
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  Speaker 5: moved him around so much. But he's in a contract here,
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  Speaker 5: and you know, if he doesn't get like the you know,
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  Speaker 5: Pete Werner week three of training camp deal and he
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  Speaker 5: bets on himself this year and he gets through that.
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  Speaker 5: He's someone that I could see having like a great
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  Speaker 5: season in just cashing out and going somewhere else. And
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  Speaker 5: you know, it's also one of those things where if
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  Speaker 5: you pay him, it's a little bit of a gamble
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  Speaker 5: right now too, So you know that that's a huge
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  Speaker 5: story to me going into camp. Him and Raschichiat, I
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  Speaker 5: think are both kind of candidates to get try to
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  Speaker 5: get paid now. And honestly, if I was the agent
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  Speaker 5: of either player, I tell him to go through the season,
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  Speaker 5: Like I don't think you know, she he could get hurt,
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  Speaker 5: and I think he still gets paid whatever he's worth
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  Speaker 5: today right now. But if he goes through a season
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  Speaker 5: and he's healthy and he plays all seventeen games, and
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  Speaker 5: he also just switched ages to Drew Rosenow, so we
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  Speaker 5: kind of know probably what he's thinking. You go through
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  Speaker 5: it and you have a good season, like you're getting megabucks.
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  Speaker 5: But like, I think those are kind of the real
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  Speaker 5: big things going into the training camp right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you said it like OTA's and mini camp
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  Speaker 3: are one thing you get to see a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: You get to diagnose a little bit. There's some notes
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  Speaker 3: you can write down, but training camp, once you get
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  Speaker 3: the pads on to start hitting and getting physical, that's
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  Speaker 3: when you can really see how players are going to react,
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  Speaker 3: how what players could potentially be, what the team could
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  Speaker 3: potentially be like, and kind of to that, especially when
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  Speaker 3: you get to see somebody else with some pads on.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know if the Saints have any plans or
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  Speaker 3: they've already scheduled some joint practices with any other teams?
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  Speaker 5: Zero they aren't doing any of this year, which which
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  Speaker 5: is a little bit of a surprise to me. I
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  Speaker 5: thought for sure they'd do something with the Chargers out
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  Speaker 5: there or somebody else, Like there's a ton of teams
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  Speaker 5: out there in California, and they did not set anything up, which,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I think that's kind of disappointing. It's usually
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  Speaker 5: the best work to me, Like you get to go
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  Speaker 5: through and say, hey, look we're gonna run forty red
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  Speaker 5: zone plays and have that perfected by the end of
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  Speaker 5: Thursday's practice, and then on you know, Friday, we're gonna
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  Speaker 5: work these situations. It's usually better work than the games.
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  Speaker 5: I always feel like it's more informative than those preseason games.
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  Speaker 5: I was a little bit surprised to see that one
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  Speaker 5: play out like that. I can't remember the last time
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  Speaker 5: the Saints went through a camp without joint practices. I
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  Speaker 5: don't know if that's a kinple of more athos or
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  Speaker 5: if it's just like a matter of like, hey, like
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  Speaker 5: I need to, you know, build my program and focus
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  Speaker 5: on what we're doing this year and then kind of
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  Speaker 5: look somewhere else. But I was surprised by that.
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  Speaker 3: And we always get like the best like training camp
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  Speaker 3: fights in those too. So now, oh yeah, so Mike
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  Speaker 3: had what is the best training camp fight you've ever seen?
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  Speaker 3: Who does it? Was there a memorable one that stuck out?
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  Speaker 3: Like these two monsters were just going at it?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean easily easily it was one guy is
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  Speaker 5: because he was fighting every single day that the first
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  Speaker 5: year tryvor Penning was here. It was it was insane.
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  Speaker 5: It was like it was like they what a training
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  Speaker 5: camp and he's he's just like he's throwing punches at people.
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  Speaker 5: It was wild and it just kept happening like day
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  Speaker 5: after day after day, Like Sean Payton had to tell
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  Speaker 5: him to chill out, like it was it was a
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  Speaker 5: lot like he was definitely the guy that that that
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  Speaker 5: comes to mind. Uh you know early on those you know,
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  Speaker 5: I like a lot of the uh you know, the
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  Speaker 5: the receiver cornerback battles like those usually build up over
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  Speaker 5: time where it's like a lot of talking and then
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  Speaker 5: like it pops off. But like like Penning was like
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  Speaker 5: a like a nineties heavyweight fight, like just going after
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  Speaker 5: people and you know when the big big guys go
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  Speaker 5: at it, like it there's a little more, there's a
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  Speaker 5: little more to it. So uh was definitely I mean
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  Speaker 5: he can throw, yeah, like no doubt about it. Yeah, No,
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  Speaker 5: he's not somebody. He's not somebody you want coming at you.
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  Speaker 5: And like I don't think he's afraid to throw like
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  Speaker 5: a you know, a fist of a helmet if he
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  Speaker 5: needs to either, which isn't always smart, but like he's
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  Speaker 5: really about it, you know, like some guys like they
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  Speaker 5: get in those situations and like the arms are like
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  Speaker 5: you know the wind mill punches like Unting kind of
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  Speaker 5: looked like he had scrapped before.
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  Speaker 4: Hey well, I mean, honestly, I'm going to turn this
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  Speaker 4: conversation into a football question. Like him moving to guard,
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  Speaker 4: having that mentality where he can be a little bit
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  Speaker 4: more reckless because you're protected on both sides. Like that,
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  Speaker 4: to me, if he's ever going to be a successful,
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  Speaker 4: dependable NFL player, it is going to be at the
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  Speaker 4: guard position. And I'm not saying that it's easy, but
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  Speaker 4: I think what he does and his mentality that just
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  Speaker 4: fits him better because now he can be more aggressive.
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  Speaker 4: Now he can maybe take more chances. Now he doesn't
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  Speaker 4: have to be perfect. Now it's not all about the technique.
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  Speaker 4: And you're on an island by yourself, and so if
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  Speaker 4: we're going to get any kind of good version of
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  Speaker 4: Trevor Pinning, it feels like it's going to be inside.
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  Speaker 5: You just kind of swunk me a little bit, Like
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  Speaker 5: just with that transition, I didn't know where it was going,
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  Speaker 5: but it made a lot of sense to me, Like
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  Speaker 5: I'm the biggest Penning dowterer, Like you know, I I
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  Speaker 5: gotta see it, But I don't disagree with you, like
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  Speaker 5: this is think or swim like this this is the
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  Speaker 5: last stop on the bus to bus spills, Like he
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  Speaker 5: has to make this work because I don't think you're
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  Speaker 5: going back to the outside, Like it's if you have
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  Speaker 5: a chance to cash it on any potential of that
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  Speaker 5: stap in here. And I do love the idea of
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  Speaker 5: him at guard in the run game. You know, I
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  Speaker 5: think he can get out there. I think he can
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  Speaker 5: pull like this. This is a you know, a three
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  Speaker 5: hundred and thirty pounds, three hundred and fifty pound behemoth
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  Speaker 5: that can like legitimately run and you know that stands
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  Speaker 5: out and I think, you know, polling and doing stuff
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  Speaker 5: there like that, that's gonna that's gonna play to it.
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  Speaker 5: It's this eat of which things happen that that kind
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  Speaker 5: of worries me a little bit. But you know, on
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  Speaker 5: the flip side, I think I would rather try to
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  Speaker 5: have him dealing with that as opposed to being out
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  Speaker 5: on the island. And you know, if you do lose,
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  Speaker 5: like there's no bumpers, at least he's got some bumpers. Now,
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  Speaker 5: you know that isn't gonna protect him every time. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I mean theoretically like possibly, Uh, I've never liked it
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  Speaker 5: for him, you know, Matt, you probably speak to this
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  Speaker 5: better than me, like, like, does it does it help
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  Speaker 5: having a taller quarterback in there with like a six
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  Speaker 5: foot seven guy a guard like Shuck being prototype like
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  Speaker 5: does that maybe lend a like a possible foot better
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  Speaker 5: than the six foot tall rattler or you know, ja
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  Speaker 5: kyner back there.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think the like the quarterback hype disparancy
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  Speaker 3: probably is overvalued a little bit, a little bit, I
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  Speaker 3: mean Drew Brees. And there's been short quarterbacks that have
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  Speaker 3: shorter quarterbacks I'm not gonna say short, but shorter quarterbacks
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  Speaker 3: that have like dispelled any of those type of rooms
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  Speaker 3: that used to be. Everyone's gotta be six five so
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  Speaker 3: you can see over the line, but with bocking schemes
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  Speaker 3: like these days and splits and things like that, you
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  Speaker 3: can kind of overshadow those things. And quarterbacks work on
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  Speaker 3: this stuff, so yes, there is something to it. But
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  Speaker 3: even me at six two and a half or like
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  Speaker 3: a lot of quarterbacks there, guy, all right, but.
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  Speaker 2: We're not middle school anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Give me it's really a quarter But like I bump
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  Speaker 3: it up to a half a right, uh, to twenty eight.
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  Speaker 3: Even at that, it's like you're still not seeing over
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  Speaker 3: six six guys. So whether I'm six two or five ten,
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  Speaker 3: you're still not seeing over somebody that's you know, three
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  Speaker 3: four five inches taller than you.
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  Speaker 5: So I mean six two and a half is technically
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  Speaker 5: six to three.
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  Speaker 3: You knows you round up?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely do six two and a half. I can't
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  Speaker 2: believe you threw that in there.
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  Speaker 3: Well, why you're all in what five?
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  Speaker 4: And I was five eleven at the combine? And I
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  Speaker 4: tell people in five ten because I don't think I'm
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  Speaker 4: five eleven anymore. I go down, we're you five ten
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  Speaker 4: and a half.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe I don't tell people five ten and a half
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  Speaker 4: if six two and a half.
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  Speaker 5: Sorry, sorry, go ahead, No, I mean that makes sense.
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  Speaker 5: I mean yeah, I just I didn't know because like
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  Speaker 5: NBIA six times and that's always been something that kind
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  Speaker 5: of you know, but yeah, you're you're right, like youre
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  Speaker 5: always look through those those lanes and everything like that. So, uh,
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  Speaker 5: that makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: On this team? Like, is there anybody who on this
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  Speaker 3: team is from a business side of things? Is up
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  Speaker 3: for potentially big contract, big contract extension? Like if you
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  Speaker 3: look through the roster, like, who are those guys if
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  Speaker 3: there's you know, one of them, if there's five of them,
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  Speaker 3: six and whatever it is, who are those guys you're
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  Speaker 3: looking at that the Saints need to lock this, lock
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  Speaker 3: them up, get them an extension, pay big Bucks.
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  Speaker 5: For Yeah, it's it's kind of interesting because, like I
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  Speaker 5: think their free agents next year kind of bring them.
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  Speaker 7: Right up to like where the mentality is of the
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  Speaker 7: team building, Like the expiring contract to like Tason Mill
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  Speaker 7: to Mario, Davis, uh Foster, Cam Jordan, Tyron, Matthew Alante,
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  Speaker 7: Taylor and Penning or kind of the headliners. Colin Saunders
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  Speaker 7: I think is on there too, but like it there's
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  Speaker 7: kind of like a split there, and it just kind
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  Speaker 7: of really depends on what direction they're going with the
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  Speaker 7: team and if you really are leaning into the rebuild
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  Speaker 7: and trying to get younger and better and all this stuff,
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  Speaker 7: like does it make sense to bring back Tays them
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  Speaker 7: and to Mario and Cam and Tyron And you know,
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  Speaker 7: it's just kind of you know, I think there's probably
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  Speaker 7: a cost preposition on some of that stuff. Like you're
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  Speaker 7: probably very willing to pay for the leadership of guys
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  Speaker 7: like Tyron and Cam in the Mario, but like the
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  Speaker 7: significant investment is a tough sell and I don't think
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  Speaker 7: Tyron or Kim would would you know, would need it
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  Speaker 7: at this point in their career. They don't right now.
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  Speaker 7: But like a guy like to Mario if I'm to
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  Speaker 7: Mario like I'm probably trying to get out of here,
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  Speaker 7: I don't know, like.
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  Speaker 5: I could probably go get paid and actually helped like
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  Speaker 5: a team that's trying to win a super Bowl. I
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  Speaker 5: feel like he's still at that point in his career.
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  Speaker 5: And if you're you're the Saints, like are you paying
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  Speaker 5: someone to stick around? Like, you know, I think you
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  Speaker 5: kind of got to see what happens this year. But
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  Speaker 5: you know, I lean more into the you know, like
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  Speaker 5: why are you paying guys that aren't going to be
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  Speaker 5: part of this, you know, two three years from now,
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  Speaker 5: like significant money, you know, one year deals to Cam
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  Speaker 5: and Tyron kind of the way they did it would
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  Speaker 5: still makes some sense to me, you know, at a
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  Speaker 5: very low cost. But the guys I'm trying to pay
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  Speaker 5: or Lantain cheat and I probably got s shea heat
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  Speaker 5: at the top of that list. Like, I feel way
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  Speaker 5: more comfortable paying him than anyone else. And if you're
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  Speaker 5: going at it with like a you know, a younger quarterback,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I'm willing to make that bet right now
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  Speaker 5: on him to kind of you know, save a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I do think there's some risk there. I
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  Speaker 5: don't think he's the most polisheder outrunner. Yet that's something
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  Speaker 5: that's kind of been an ongoing process. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: the injuries last year I think set him back. You know,
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  Speaker 5: he was kind of showing good improvement under Keith Williams
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  Speaker 5: and and you know he got hurt. Maybe you know,
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  Speaker 5: if that keeps developing and he keeps being this like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, big play guy, Like I think he could
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  Speaker 5: like really really break the market if he hits it
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  Speaker 5: and stays healthy. But those are the guys like that.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's a fascinating time right now. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: the team building philosophy. I think it's kind of just
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  Speaker 5: that it is with the mentality of the franchise too.
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  Speaker 5: Like they're very, very loyal to their guys and like
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  Speaker 5: they're the type of team that wants to keep like
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  Speaker 5: a The Mario around forever. But like you know, there
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  Speaker 5: are legitimate questions. And it's not like I think he's
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  Speaker 5: a great player. I think the Mario's probably a guy
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  Speaker 5: that should be like scratching the Hall of Fame with
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  Speaker 5: his resume. Like I just don't know if he got
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  Speaker 5: like the All Pros and Pro Bowls to kind of
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  Speaker 5: put it together. But he should have. Like, I think
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  Speaker 5: he's that type of talent. I think he's still a
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  Speaker 5: really really good player, but like doesn't make sense going forward.
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  Speaker 5: It's a fascinating time right now.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Nick, we're going to finish this off. We'll
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  Speaker 3: give you a little rapid fire. See where Nick Underhill
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  Speaker 3: New Orleans, not football, New Orleans, not football. See where
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  Speaker 3: his mindset is going into the season on some specific
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  Speaker 3: people and their targets and their stats for the seasons.
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  Speaker 3: Are you ready for a little rapid fire, Yeah, let's
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  Speaker 3: do it, all right. Alvin Kamara rushing yards over under
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  Speaker 3: nine hundred and fifty yards.
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  Speaker 5: I'm taking the under on that for sure.
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  Speaker 2: For sure, I don't have that.
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  Speaker 5: It's never hit a thousand, you know. I think there's
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  Speaker 5: I think there's better depth at that position, and I
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  Speaker 5: don't want to see him getting two hundred and twenty carries.
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  Speaker 3: Very good, So let's go to his total yard all
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  Speaker 3: purpose yards at fifteen hundred.
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  Speaker 5: Oh that's tough. That's a good line, man. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 5: take a I'm gonna take a slight under, just like
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  Speaker 5: a barely barely under it. If you had said it
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: at like fourteen to fifty, I would you would have
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: talked me into the over.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: So I think he was like fourteen, like forty seven
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: last year. So I being that we finally have like
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: an offensive minded coach, I kind of bumped up everybody's
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: kind of averages a little bit, just to give you
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: a little heads up there. I think he was close
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: to the nine hundred rushing last year. I think. So anyways,
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: all right, let's move on Rashid Shaheed over under nine
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: hundred yards receiving.
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna take the under. I mean, like the total
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: passing yards I think is probably what was Caleb at
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: last year. Kill was like thirty four hundred or something
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: like that, thirty six, Like, yeah, I think you're under
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: four thousand. So like I would, I'm gonna probably like
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: cut off your next one. But like I would, I'm
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: probably gonna take the unner on both a like Rashid
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: and the Lave just because I don't know that the
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: volume is going to be there.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: It's interesting because we were looking at the stats with
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: both of them had injuries last year, but they had
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: big numbers in the games that they did play, Like
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: Alave had seven hundred and something playing and what six
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: like less than half eight games something like that. So yeah,
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: I guess that'll bring me to the next one. I
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: put Chris Alave based on the numbers he was showing.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: I even kind of like went down on his average
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: per game at twelve hundred yards over under.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: I think he's gonna have like a season that it
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: was like a twelve hundred yards season on film, Like
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: you're gonna be blown away by some of the stuff
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: he does. But like I don't. I don't know that
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: anyone's getting that high. Like shuck would have to be
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: shuck or rattler, but no QB controversy here, like like
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: one was gonna have to be really really good to
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: get to that, to get to that point.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's go with the mister, Brandon Cooks. I'm gump
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: since you based on your aswers, I'm going down a
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: little bit. Receiving yards over under three hundred and fifty yards.
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: I'll take the over. Yeah, I think I'll take the over.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: He gets it.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: What was that We're gonna see some bow and arrows
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: this year?
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: I think a few. And look, I like the way
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: he's carrying himself to Sox season. He just set up
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: a throwing session at Nike Headquarters, and Beaverton got like
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: the whole team out there. You know, I think he's
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: building comfort. He worked out with Rattler wasn't there because
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: he was doing his his youth camp in South Carolina,
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: but he made a trip down the Arizona to work
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: with him. Like, I think he's really doing a lot
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: to like ingratiate himself, and I think like the chemistry
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: with the quarterbacks. I'll take the over on three.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Fifty Okay, last three here, rapid fire or rapid fire
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: total TD pass over under thirty three. I'll go under
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: total sacks defensive this are only defensive one here defense
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: snkes total sacks over under thirty nine.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: Oh man, I don't. I don't like the D line.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: I'm going under.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's very average of the pack. Yeah, it's very
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: total wins here we go over under five and a half.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been saying five, So I'm under.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: You hate the Saints, all right, me and Hester is
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: trying so hard to be fans. You're really making it tough.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Nick.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be a fun five though, like.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: All fun that he went under on everybody.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Fun five over on Brandon.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Cooks Brandon Cook. Lets go.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe you know a little babe with a better
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: attitude next week.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: We all so, Nick, he knows the Saints as well
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: as anybody. I'll leave that there, Nick Underhill. New Orleans
• 19:05
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• 19:08
  Speaker 4: to know the Saints as well as Nick and the team,
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: do over at New Orleans Stuff Football.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Sign up for the site today. Nick.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: We appreciate it as always, and I look forward to
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: seeing you down in training camp here in a couple
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: of weeks.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. TV's guys, I feel great about it.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, good, No, good for me?
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Right great? Yeah? Oh, it's everything's fine, guys, everything's Saints fans,
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: it's fine.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: It is crazy that Alvin Kamara doesn't have a thousand
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: yard season.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: It is wild.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: But he's had like he's had some crazy like eight
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: to fifty rushing, seven to fifty receiving.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he had eight, like sixty one year receiving.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: But he's always averaging around like thirteen to fifteen purpose yards.
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: Outside of last year, he's always kind of had a
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: split backfield, like it was Ingram, it was Latavius Murray.
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: Like last year was kind of the only year where
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: he was like the everydawn guy.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Right here, I got it looked up here.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Let's see, I'm trying to look at some guys that
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: like I play with.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to think if if they had one thousand yards.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: In twenty seventeen, he had eight hundred and twenty six
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: yards receiving. So since let's say seventeen, I'm sorry, seventeen,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: he had fifteen hundred and fifty four all purpose eighteen
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: fifty ninety two, nineteen, thirteen thirty twenty sixteen eighty eight,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, thirteen thirty seven. Last year he had
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: fourteen hundred and ninety three all purpose yards.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, he's been a hell of a player.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: So like when I say that, it's surprising because he has.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Been so last year nine hundred and fifty rushing yards
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: when I set the over under at nine fifteen fifty
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: and he went he went under. Well, it's just surprising.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: Because he did say what he thinks he has a
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: better compliment of backs with him.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Sure, and yeah, I get that too, but this is
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: the first time in a while that we've had all
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: offensive minded coach like this like we have had. Yeah,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: so since the Sean Payton era. This is the first
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: time like a coach that is focused on offense. They're
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: bringing that, so it's is exciting. I would expect all
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: the numbers from these people to go up, even with
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: young quarterbacks quarterback battles. I think they will get put
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: in the right position. I think you'll have some individual
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: stats that are going to pop off a little bit
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: and be better than what people think. All right, we'll
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: take a break.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: Look it's okay Nick, you know rapid fire and Nick underhill.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Sometimes that doesn't work out, but great answers as always
• 21:34
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  Speaker 3: How'd you break you over there?
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Good Sunday King Caleb Williams not too bad.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Break and so how do you think Caleb is gonna
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: do the ship?
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: I don't care because I'm gonna get rid of all
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: those cars before. Try while I was hot.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Like if I was going to hold onto one of
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: the quarterbacks from last year, I would go, can you
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: turn the tour?
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Down they were racing for King of the Mountain points.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Like, certainly Jayden.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: There's one quarterback I'm definitely hanging on to right now,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Jayden or Spencer Rally. Well, I'm hanging on with Spencer.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Well Jayden, Yeah, No, Jayden like he's hot Joe Milton.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: So for him to get hotter, he's gonna have to
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: have like Patrick Mahomes like type.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: Arc So it's right now in the card game, and
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: correct me if I'm wrong. You know it as well
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: as I do, even better. It is kind of like
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Caleb still holds a lot of weight, but it is
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Jayden right underneath that Caleb, and then you have writerneath
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: that bow Nicks.
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah, bow Knicks's that's the wonderful was your love? I Mean,
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: I don't know as much about cards, but like, the
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: dude's got weapons this year. You didn't have any last year.
• 24:47
  Speaker 8: So my thing is, I think Caleb is gonna have
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: a pretty good year.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Is he gonna throw for four thousand?
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Who you're holding on to?
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: No, I'm not. I don't have as many him. I'm
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: holding on to Pinnix okay, because he's like of the
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: six rookie quarterbacks last year, ye, kind of at the
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: more bottom of that, I think is but I thought
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: even more than J. J.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: McCarthy.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I even asked you before that draft, the twenty twenty
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: four draft, I said, who's your favorite quarterback outside of JD?
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: And you said Pennix. So I've always really been a
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: fan of Penis and I think just him getting the reins,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: getting the full confidence of a staff, and you know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: he's got a pretty good team around, I think he's
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: going to be pretty good. I know that's not great
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: for Saints fans, but I would expect him to be
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: really good. But you do it. But you look at
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams like a guy that they they drafted, another
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: receiver they brought in it like they have so much talent,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Like the Bears are set up better than they have
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: been for a long time, and like Kayleb, Williams didn't
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: just like get less talented over the last year. He
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: had flashes and certainly it's like but I think Bears
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: fans and NFL fans are kind of looking at this
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: as like year one for him. Now, Like ye, that
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: was a train wreck with their last age. It was
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: like you want to talk about like just like a
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: that has no shot at commanding the room, that guy.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: But now they bring in an offensive specialist who's done,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: like he turned Jared Goff's career completely around into MVP
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: candidate status. Yeah, and it turns the Lions, I mean
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: helped turn the lines around. Of course they can't. Let's
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: don't forget about the ULTI yeah, I'm just gonna say,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: like from an offensive standpoint, but getting creative being like
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: we talked about earlier in the show, a combination of
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: shotgun and creativity under the center, and it helps so
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: much spread the ball around. I would expect Caleb Williams
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: to have a pretty breakout second year, that would be
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: my prediction. So yeah, I would maybe hold, but like,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: you still got a lot of hype. So like in
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: the card game, you can sell the hype or you
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: can wait and really cash out if it like turns out.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: But I think most people want to probably sell the hype.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Like right now, I'm hold on the Pinks because I
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: think like you, I think Pennix comes out and he
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: has a good stretch of the season where he's looking
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: really good, and then at that point, like yeah, so
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: then you push, you push, you push again. That's why
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: I do Spencer. I think spl Spencer has a good
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: shot at at least being the starter at the beginning
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: of the season. Yeah, I think Saints fans should hope
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: that Spencer Rattler is the starter of the entire season,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: because at that point you either know, all right, I
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: got a franchise guy, or I got a guy that
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: started the entire season is really good. Now we have
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: good trade value potentially with him if you do think
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Shuck is your next guy. And I always want a
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: rookie quarterback, Maybe not always, there's some there's some exceptions
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: to the rule Jade Daniels. Of course. The most recent
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: exception of that rule Bo Nixon exception. But like you,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: for the most part, it's better for a quarterback to sit.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Of course, it'd be better if you was like sitting
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: behind it like a ten yured Veig.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: May set up for a little bit last year. Pennicks
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: out for a little bit last year.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. JJ McCarthy another one that I would expect, like
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: he's got a lot of pieces around him that are
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: really good. He's set up for success. So these guys
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: that you had six quarterbacks go in the first round
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: last year, and that means like a lot of them
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: went to pretty good teams. Yeah, so you got a
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: guy JJ McCarthy with the Vikings. Of course they're great,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: they're a threat in the North. Falcons have good talent
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: around him. At least the Broncos showed some signs they
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: got pieces in place this year. So I mean, I
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: would explain that this is going to go down as
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: probably one of the better quarterback draft classes. And I
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: talked about last year, not this year.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: So it is why So like you know, kind of
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: going back to the card game, it's like those six quarterbacks,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: they didn't change like cards had come back, but they
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: like kind of changed a lot in the football card game,
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: right because people are always chasing those six teams. It's
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: like I want one of those six teams and sure
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: like you'll be okay, like if you get the Giants.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Or the Jags, like you get my leak, or if
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: you get.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: The Cardinals you get Marvin Harrison, Jags, you get Chargers
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: with Lab mcconckey, Like it's like okay, like cool, pretty good,
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: But you're chasing those six quarterbacks and like in the
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: card game, like now it's like they hadn't even gotten
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: the cards out. Really they're just still still.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Buy the card packs now that have Jayde Daniels as
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: a rook So like that's that's the thing. Do you
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: hold Jayde value Jayden Daniels cards as like if you're
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: if you're in it for the business side of things,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: because his value is so sky high right now, so
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: like he has to take the next, like big big
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: step for it to go even higher. That's why I like,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: you see Patrick Mahomes are still valuable even if they're
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: not rookies, right.
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: Mad does Caleb throw for four thousand yards? Bears have
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: never had the first one.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: I think Caleb Williams will throw for four thousand ards.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying this season, but he will for this
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: He'll be the first one. I think. I think he's
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: going to surprise people. I don't know if it actually
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: I don't even know if it's going to be a surprise.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: I think he's gonna I think he's gonna make believers
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: out of a lot of doubters because I think he's
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: still talented. I think Jayden Daniels of course, is going
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: to have the better career and is the better quarterback
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: and will be the better quarterback of those two if
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: we're trying to make comparisons, But Caleb Williams got Draft
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: one for a reason because he's talented. I don't think
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: he is a bad dude or a bad teammate. I
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: think he was in a position that organizationally lacked a
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: lot of leadership, and that happens with a lot of
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: different organizations. So hopefully they got a guy, and all
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: signs point to yes, that they do have a guy
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: that can command the room and run a team and
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: put the pieces in place to be successful, to take
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: advantage of the weapons that they do have.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: You know why, I think, and I know we gotta
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: take a break, but you know why, I think Jayden
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: was way more successful in my opinion than Caleb. Jaden
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: is so comfortable in chaos, right, I think there's like,
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: obviously he's got traits that are like superhuman with his
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: speed and running ability and deep through all that. Sure,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: but his ability to be in a chaotic situation and
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: look cool, calm and collected, where Caleb's like, oh I
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: gotta get out here, Oh I got to go make
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: the crazy you know, running to my right, throw back
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: across my body to the left, I'm panicking a little bit.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Jayden didn't have that, and that's what I think.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: That's why he was so successful so early, is because
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: he allowed himself to play through the offense and not
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: try to do too much, just based off his.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Ability and that Jaden processes information so fast and a
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: lot of that has to do with this training and
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: that virtual reality that's become like popularized, and they've done
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: stories about it now with Jayden. But that is something
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: as a quarterback that you can learn with experience. I
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: know he played a lot in college. I'm talking about
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Kayleb Williams, but when things turn chaotic, that is something
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: that you can improve as a quarter wall. We talked
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: about running backs earlier. It's kind of hard to teach
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: a running back how to read a block and instinctually
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: read stuff. As a quarterback, the game can slow down
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: for you if you're comfortable within the system and you've
• 31:40
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  Speaker 4: I'll throw it now to our guy Tata for Little
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, so yesterday it was announced that this was last night,
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  Speaker 8: l s U is hiring Ole Miss coordinator of recruiting strategy.
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  Speaker 8: Like I would just call it recruiting strategy coordinator, but
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  Speaker 8: that is neither here nor there. He's going to be
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  Speaker 8: l s U Football's assistant general manager under Austin Thomas.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of ties to the program.
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  Speaker 8: Austin Thomas actually got him hired when he was at
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  Speaker 8: Old Miss. Now he's back under Austin Thomas. He's been
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  Speaker 8: there since twenty twenty two. He's a Mississippi native like
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  Speaker 8: he's He's got big ties to Oxford.
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  Speaker 3: So this is a big time gift for LSU.
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  Speaker 4: One thing they've been doing at Old Miss that they
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  Speaker 4: haven't done in the past is hitting and recruiting in
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  Speaker 4: high school and the portal. Certainly the portal, but I
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  Speaker 4: mean they're not going to be a top five recruiting class.
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  Speaker 2: Just not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 4: But remember we used to do the show Flynn and
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  Speaker 4: like we'll be talking to night like they thirty.
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  Speaker 2: Fifth, thirty eighth and recruiting. Now they're starting to creep
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  Speaker 2: their way up.
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  Speaker 4: And this is somebody that has incredibly strong Mississippi ties
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  Speaker 4: and you're able to get him from Ole miss to LSU.
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  Speaker 4: Our guy, Dick Dixon aka Richard Dixon, he says he
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  Speaker 2: How about that? And if he's good enough for Dick Dixon,
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  Speaker 3: Good good enough for us, and he should be good
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  Speaker 3: enough for you.
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  Speaker 3: this and College is having to just create titles for people.
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  Speaker 3: What was that title again, Coordinator of Coordinator of recruiting strategy. Yep,
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  Speaker 2: I'm waiting for the title Knower of ball.
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  Speaker 3: M hmm. That's us. That's going to be a Landra.
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  Speaker 3: That's gonna be I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Although I did line up one of the receivers who
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  Speaker 9: Just eleven personnel that ball.
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  Speaker 3: We did the guy right there.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, he's not supposed to be well, I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean not supposed to be that far out, So it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't matter. That doesn't change of the personnel or the format.
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  Speaker 10: Let me guess there's eleven people on the field, Well,
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  Speaker 10: there's eleven people.
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  Speaker 4: That has nothing to do with eleven personnel. So numbers
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  Speaker 4: are talking about how many tight ends and running back
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  Speaker 4: in the game.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So our goal here at OTB this football season
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  Speaker 3: all our listeners and more educated ball nerves. I think
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  Speaker 3: one thing is like I think LSU fans in general
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  Speaker 3: of the good, bad, the ugly. But we're going to
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  Speaker 3: take the next deep dive. So we talked about this
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  Speaker 3: is real basic stuff. We talked about how people verbalize
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  Speaker 3: personnels on offense and so will you hear it a lot?
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  Speaker 3: You hear you know, thirty one twelve twenty one personnel
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  Speaker 3: whatever it is. So we just started out with what
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: we talk eleven and twelve personnel. So basically, you have,
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  Speaker 3: positions between wide receivers, tight ends, and running backs. So
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  Speaker 3: that tells you the first number, Okay, the first number
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  Speaker 3: is how many back running back types, so running backs
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  Speaker 3: or fullbacks would be the first number, and then the
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  Speaker 3: second number would be tight ends. How many tight ends
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  Speaker 3: are in the game. And then there's not a third number,
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: it's just the remainder of the five total people that
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: are receivers. So eleven personnel, if the it tells you
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  Speaker 3: how many running backs and how many tight ends? Yeah,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: so how many tight ends? How many running backs and
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: tight ends are there in eleven personnel?
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: One one running back?
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: How many receivers would that.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Be if you had three?
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Maybe three? Yeah, exactly? What about twelve personnel?
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  Speaker 9: How many it would be two running backs and two
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: tight ends that.
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  Speaker 2: Would be Yeah, so it'd be one twelve.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, I thought I was going to personnel. The first
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: one's running back.
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  Speaker 9: So one running back, one running.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Back or two tight tight ends? And how many receivers
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: two receivers, So let's switch it twenty one personnel.
• 37:41
  Speaker 10: It'd be two running backs, one tight end, two receivers.
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  Speaker 3: Very very good, let's go fall all, No, how about this?
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: What about what about ten personnel?
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  Speaker 9: One running back, no tight ends?
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  Speaker 3: How many four receivers there? It is?
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  Speaker 2: You know, more than got it? A lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well done, so you can.
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  Speaker 9: So you could do any number personnel, any.
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  Speaker 3: Number five you can do. Yeah, zero five personnel.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, there was, But eleven and twelve are the most common.
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  Speaker 3: Eleven twelve back in the days one one okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I would say eleven eleven's big and eleven ten is huge.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, four wide is a big thing.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of zero personnel.
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  Speaker 3: Zero personnel would be five wide, right, a.
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  Speaker 9: Lot of ten personnel like hello receivers, right, empty zero,
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  Speaker 9: So you just throw hello receivers out there?
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  Speaker 3: Five five, five wide, five line on QB.
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  Speaker 4: Like a pony personnel A twenty personnel and two backs.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: No titans.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: So you got you got spotters on the other team
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: that are watching personnels run back and forth, and they're
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: changing their defensive personnel, right, and so we talked about
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: it the other day. Yeah, base defense is four defensive backs.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, nick would be five, okay,
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: time would be six DB's okay, and quarter personnel is seven.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: So pretty much four defensive linements seven DB's. That's what
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: the team is. Like. You don't see it a lot.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: That's the team that's running prefen. You can do it
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: in preview. Yeah, so you got spotders. So they watched
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: the offense run back and forth. They know who's in
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: the game, they know it's eleven personnel, and then they
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: see a tight end run in the game, They're like, okay,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: it's twelve personnel with twelve car and they'll run up.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: They'll be like base defense, base defense, and they'll run
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: a linebacker out there for the nickel.
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  Speaker 10: So this feels obvious. But on here, I'm gonna guess this.
• 39:35
  Speaker 10: You wrote O O C O O T E lineman, lineman, center, lineman, lineman, tackle, edge,
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  Speaker 10: tight end, tight end. Oh the tight ends right here.
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  Speaker 10: Oh it's like linean, lineman, center, lineman, linmon and the
• 39:49
  Speaker 10: tight end on.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: The ball always have to be But I just that's.
• 39:52
  Speaker 9: Just how you did it, Okay.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even like worry about like seven.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: It has to be seven on the line of scrimmage.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I said, I messed up and put they
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: got too far up.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it has to be seven people on the line
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: of scrimmage, even when you're playing Arkansas in two thousand
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: and seven and you hit a sixty five.
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  Speaker 3: Yard rail even then, especially then details matter of fellas,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah they do. They definitely right there. You got ball.
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  Speaker 4: But uh, different people have different ways to draw the center.
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  Speaker 4: Some people put it a square and then the other
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: linemen are circles.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen people put a que which makes sense. People
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  Speaker 2: do it. I put a C.
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  Speaker 3: With a squiggly.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Some people put an X. I put a C R
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  Speaker 2: a square.
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  Speaker 8: Typically, I think I've seen it's always square circle circ Yeah,
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: square with a little squiggling.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: The squiggly supposed to be like if you draw it up,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: it's a square with a little circle in the middle,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: which is the football. So that's but it's just like
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: you draw a square and just quickly like squiggle little squiggly. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, if the tight end is on the ball
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  Speaker 3: to one side, you got one receiver to that side,
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: receiver off.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the receiver.
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  Speaker 3: It's all line scrimmers the tight end.
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  Speaker 9: There's too many out there.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Line seven on the line on the other side, you'll
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: have a receiver on the ball. Yeah, so that makes
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: your seven.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: You can't you can have more than seven, but anybody
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: past that seventh person cannot route. So if the tight
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: ends on the line of scrimmage and the receiver to
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: that side is on the line of scrimmage, only one
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: of them can go out for a pass.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, that makes sense.
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