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- Lucas: So, Satya Nadella took over Microsoft in February 2014, and the company had just posted a nine billion dollar write-down on the Nokia handset business. The mobile strategy had flopped, and the stock had been flat for over a decade. And the first thing he did in his very first memo to employees was not about products or profits. It was about culture. Luna: Right, the memo. I remember the phrase 'learn-it-all' versus 'know-it-all.' That became almost a mantra. Lucas: Exactly. And I think that framing was so sharp because it targeted a very specific Microsoft pathology. The company had a reputation for being arrogant, for protecting turf, for internal competition. Nadella said the culture needed to shift from being the smartest person in the room to being the person who makes everyone around them smarter. Luna: And he backed it up with action. I mean, he changed the performance review system, didn't he? Killed the stack ranking. Lucas: He did. The stack ranking system, where managers had to force-rank employees on a curve, was deeply embedded. It created a zero-sum culture where helping a colleague could hurt your own rating. Nadella replaced it with a system that emphasized collaboration and learning. That was a huge signal. Luna: It's almost like he was dismantling the operating system of the culture itself. Lucas: That's a perfect metaphor. And he didn't just tweak the rules, he rewired the incentives. He made it clear that it wasn't about being right, it was about getting better. And that applies to the company as a whole, not just individuals. Luna: So how did that play out in the business? You can't just say we're going to be more collaborative and expect the stock to move. Lucas: Well, the most visible shift was the move to the cloud. Nadella bet the company on Azure, and he did it before the market fully appreciated it. He also embraced open source, which was heresy for the old Microsoft. They released.NET, they acquired GitHub, they made Teams work across platforms. That was all cultural before it was technical. Luna: And the acquisition of Minecraft for two and a half billion dollars in 2014 — that was a culture statement too. It was a game popular on every platform, including rival consoles. The old Microsoft would have made it exclusive to Windows. Lucas: Right. They kept it cross-platform. And that was a deliberate choice. Nadella said, 'We want to be where the world is.' That was a departure from the Windows-centric everything of the Ballmer era. Luna: But did that culture change actually have a measurable impact? I mean, the stock has done well, but correlation isn't causation. Lucas: That's a fair question. And I'd point to the talent retention and the innovation metrics. Microsoft went from being a place where top engineers often left to start their own companies or join Google, to a place where key people stayed. And you can see it in the product pipeline — the AI investments, Copilot, the cloud growth. Luna: So it's not just a feel-good story. It's a competitive advantage. Lucas: Exactly. And one of the most underrated parts of Nadella's leadership is how he brought empathy into the equation. He wrote about it in his book, but it was also personal. His son Zain, who has cerebral palsy, taught him that empathy is not a soft skill. It's a design principle. It informs how you build products for people with disabilities, how you treat employees, how you listen to customers. Luna: That's a far cry from the old Microsoft that was known for firing people in the parking lot. Lucas: Right. And that reputation came from the Bill Gates era. Gates was brilliant, but he could be ruthless. Nadella had to preserve the intellectual intensity while stripping away the aggression. That's the hard part of cultural change — you can't just flip a switch. You have to keep what works and evolve what doesn't. Luna: And he did keep some things. I mean, Microsoft still has that hard-core engineering culture. They still ship products at scale. But now it's wrapped in a different ethos. Lucas: Right. And that's what makes it a masterclass. Because you can't impose a culture from a memo. You have to model it, reward it, and protect it. Nadella did all three. He was the first to admit when things went wrong, like with the Windows Phone, and he used failure as a learning opportunity. Luna: There's a story about him asking employees to read 'The Innovator's Dilemma' — I think he gave it as a required reading in 2015. That was about creating a willingness to disrupt yourself. Lucas: Yeah, and that book is all about how successful companies fail because they can't break their own business model. Nadella wanted Microsoft to be willing to cannibalize Windows and Office for the cloud. And they did. They made Office available on the iPad, they made Teams free, they embraced Linux. That was not a comfortable journey for a lot of people. Luna: But it worked. And now, in 2026, Microsoft is one of the most valuable companies in the world, largely on the back of that cultural transformation. Lucas: It's a remarkable turnaround. And I think the lesson for any leader is that culture is not a vague, fluffy HR thing. It's a set of behaviors that produce specific business outcomes. And it starts with the CEO. If you don't embody the change, nobody else will. Luna: That's really the takeaway. Before we go further, I do want to mention something about this podcast. We've been doing these deep dives for 150 episodes now, and we keep it ad-free because that's how we like it. But it only works because some listeners chip in a couple of dollars a month. Lucas: Yeah, it genuinely keeps the lights on. If you've gotten something out of these stories, buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Even a small amount makes a real difference. Luna: And it lets us keep going deep on topics like this. Lucas: Absolutely. So back to the cultural playbook. What can a leader at any company take from this and actually use? I think the first is that you have to articulate a clear 'why' for the change. Nadella didn't just say we're going to be more collaborative. He connected it to a bigger purpose: empowering every person and organization on the planet to achieve more. That's a compass. Luna: And you have to walk the talk. You can't just put a poster on the wall. Lucas: Exactly. Nadella made himself a role model. He wrote that memo, he answered questions on Twitter, he personally met with employees. He also made sure the leadership team was aligned. He brought in people like Kathleen Hogan to be the first chief people officer. That was a sign that culture was a C-suite priority. Luna: And then there's the patience factor. Culture change doesn't happen overnight. It took years for Microsoft to really shift. Lucas: Years. And Nadella knew that. He said, 'This is a journey, not a destination.' And he kept repeating the message, over and over, in every town hall, every quarterly earnings call, every interview. Consistency is key. Luna: So for a listener who's maybe leading a small team or a startup, what's the one thing they can do this week? Lucas: I'd say look at your own rituals. How do you start meetings? Who gets credit when things go well? How do you react when someone brings bad news? Those small signals define your culture more than any mission statement. And if you're not happy with what you see, change one ritual. Just one. Luna: That's practical. And I think it's a fitting note to end on for our 150th episode. Lucas: Agreed. Thanks for listening, and here's to the next 150.