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Female Google software pro found dead, naked AND confessions of a womb-raider Killer · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Sirius x M Triumph Channel one thirty two. Sunny Vale
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Speaker 1: police are trying to figure out how a Google engineer
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Speaker 1: ended up dead in San Francisco Bay. The young woman
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Speaker 1: was discovered floating naked in the water last week. It's
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Speaker 1: a tranquil setting here along the Bay trail that stretches
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Speaker 1: through mountain View and Sunnyville. But that sense of peace
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Speaker 1: was interrupted last Thursday when a passer by saw a
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Speaker 1: naked body of a woman floating in the water. A
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Speaker 1: citizen actually writing their bike this morning saw the body
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Speaker 1: in the water. The Santa Clara County Sheriff's dive team
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Speaker 1: recovered the body of twenty three year old Chu Chu
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Speaker 1: Ma the same day. Police say her boyfriend filed a
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Speaker 1: missing person's report with Mountain View Police. We're talking to family,
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Speaker 1: We're talking your friends, were talking to acquaintances. A gorgeous
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Speaker 1: young woman, a Google engineer, Brains and beauty goes missing.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. I want to go straight out first
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Speaker 1: to Drew Nelson, Crime Stories contributing reporter Drew, please explain
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Speaker 1: to me when this young girl, uh, brains and beauty
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Speaker 1: goes missing? How do we know she went missing? Her
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Speaker 1: boyfriend reported her missing in mountain View, California. Joining me
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgen, forensics expert and Professor Forensics at Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University. Joe Scott right there, when a boyfriend reports
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Speaker 1: a young lady and I'm talking specifically about twenty three
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Speaker 1: year old to last named Ma. The boyfriend becomes the
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Speaker 1: first suspect, whether they're guilty or not. Explain why that is.
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Speaker 1: Some people think it's unfair. I don't. No, it's not unfair, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: It's logical and it's it's pragmatic that the idea here
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Speaker 1: is that who do we who? Who are we going
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Speaker 1: to be in most danger with? And that's the intimates
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Speaker 1: the people that we are most intimate with in our
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Speaker 1: immediate circle. That's why husbands and boyfriends, wives and girlfriends
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Speaker 1: are always going to be looked at first in all
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Speaker 1: of these cases. Joining me, Dr Tiffany Sanders, Chicago psychologist,
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Speaker 1: Dr Tiffany, thanks so much for weighing in this morning.
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Speaker 1: We need you. This beautiful young girl, uh Shoe many
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Speaker 1: people as a nickname called her Choo Choo, was a
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Speaker 1: software engineer and the developer product team and Uh she
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Speaker 1: was doing great. She'd been working at Google for a
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Speaker 1: year and a half and had obtained her degree at
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Speaker 1: University of Texas at Austin, the police and sunny Vale
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Speaker 1: state that it's a mystery. Why is it that you
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Speaker 1: always look at the boyfriend or the husband or the
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Speaker 1: converse the wife or the girlfriend first, Well, Nancy, in
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Speaker 1: many cases, you're gonna to ask, why would a stranger
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Speaker 1: a cost or assault someone someone they don't even know? Right, So,
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Speaker 1: there there wouldn't be enough reason or motive behind a
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Speaker 1: random person doing such harm to this young lady, beautiful
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Speaker 1: young lady. So you want to examine, are there any
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Speaker 1: situations of domestic violence or conflict within the home or
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Speaker 1: with intimate family members? Because that would be the only
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Speaker 1: plausible or rational thought when you wouldn't suspect a random person,
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Speaker 1: uh just coming up to her. You're right, And when
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Speaker 1: it boils down to Dr Tiffany and my world, motive
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Speaker 1: an opportunity, who has the most opportunity to hurt a victim,
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Speaker 1: the people around her the most, the people that see
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Speaker 1: her the most. You start with boyfriend, lover, husband, ex boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: Then you move out family members like father, grandfather, uncle, cousin.
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Speaker 1: Then you move out next door neighbor. Then you move
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Speaker 1: out people that live in the apartment complex neighborhood. Then
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Speaker 1: you move out paper delivery person, uh, FedEx delivery person,
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Speaker 1: male person, Uh yeah yeah. Then you move out from there.
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Speaker 1: Um guy at the check out, guy at the parking
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Speaker 1: garage people she sees at work that you keep moving
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Speaker 1: out until you find the pro and if it's not
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Speaker 1: within her circle, then you got a problem because it's
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Speaker 1: random and you don't know which way to go. But
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Speaker 1: then back to jun Nelson Crime Stories contributing investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: Jew again, thank you so much for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Then let me just fast forward. A tranquil, very peaceful
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Speaker 1: setting along the San Francisco Bay Trail, which is absolutely stunning.
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Speaker 1: You know, I took my children on an RV trip.
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Speaker 1: It was me, my husband, the two children, and my
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Speaker 1: mother ninety pounds of tiger meat. As I like to
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Speaker 1: say in an RV. Let me just say, first of all,
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Speaker 1: June Nelson, because you're gonna one another facts. My mother
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Speaker 1: took up the entire back two thirds of the r V.
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Speaker 1: She got the king bed and the little bathroom. It
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Speaker 1: was all for her. It was just easier that way,
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Speaker 1: trust me. I slept on a twin bed that was
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Speaker 1: also a deck sofa that was you know, around the table.
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Speaker 1: My husband slept on the other side of the table,
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Speaker 1: and the twins somehow squirreled up in a loft over
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Speaker 1: the driver's seat. I don't know where we were, but
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Speaker 1: I learned all over again how to start a fire
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Speaker 1: with lighter fluid, which I dropped into the fire as
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Speaker 1: the children were shrieking. My point, Drew Nelson, is that
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Speaker 1: we ended up at the Golden gate Bridge and I
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Speaker 1: forced the little labouts to walk across the Golden gate
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Speaker 1: Bridge with me. They complained bitterly for about the first
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Speaker 1: two minutes. Then they loved it and we looked out
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Speaker 1: at the San Francisco Bay and it was like nothing
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Speaker 1: I've ever seen, but for it was just incredible. And
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Speaker 1: I've got that in my mind juxtaposed against what I
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Speaker 1: am going to ask you, that tranquil setting along the
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Speaker 1: San Francisco Bay Trail, it stretches through Mountain View and
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Speaker 1: Sunny Vale where Chu Chu goes missing, and was completely
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Speaker 1: that sense of piece, completely torn apart. What happened to
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Speaker 1: June Nelson? And imagine this idyllic setting. As you're saying,
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Speaker 1: there's a cyclist who rides by every day overlooking San
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Speaker 1: Francisco Bay in Sunny Beale, California, and today, this one day,
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Speaker 1: he spots a body floating in the bay. He calls
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Speaker 1: nine one one, and it turns out that this half
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Speaker 1: naked woman in the bay is choo choo, a half
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Speaker 1: naked woman. A passerby happens to see the naked body
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Speaker 1: of a woman floating in the water. A cyclist who
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Speaker 1: is on the trail all the time named Don Savant
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Speaker 1: tells us quote, I'm surprised to find that kind of
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Speaker 1: thing here. He's talking about choo choose naked body. Very sad,
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Speaker 1: terrible to have it happen anywhere. I guess we all
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Speaker 1: think that when a crime happens in our world, in
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Speaker 1: our neighborhood, in our backyard. It's my understanding to Drew
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Speaker 1: Nelson that the Santa Clara County Sheriff's dive team then
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Speaker 1: took to the waters. Is that right true? Covered the
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Speaker 1: body there? That was San Francisco Bay, that's in sunny Ville, Um,
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Speaker 1: Santa Clara County, and that is just down the way
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Speaker 1: from Mountain View where she was reported missing by her boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: Now I want to look at the timeline here. Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan Joseph Scott Morgan joining me. Forensics expert, death
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Speaker 1: in investigator and professor of forensics at Jacksona State University.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott, I'm want to look at the timeline he
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend reports her missing. That same day, he fills
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Speaker 1: a missing person's report with Mountain View Police. We don't
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Speaker 1: know yet how to choose. Body ends up floating naked
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Speaker 1: in the water, and police are trying to determine if
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Speaker 1: foul play was involved. Well, let me tell you something,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott. If you study the book Methods and Assessment
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Speaker 1: of Homicide and Suicide, you will know immediately that it
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Speaker 1: is a cold a in h G double L that
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Speaker 1: a female is found that commits suicide naked. Now, I
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Speaker 1: think it's instinctive, or maybe it's just ground into us.
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Speaker 1: Men don't care. They couldn't care less. Women are practically
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Speaker 1: statistically never found dead by suicide naked. So let's just
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Speaker 1: start with what we know. She was reported missing that day.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how long she was missing when the
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Speaker 1: boyfriend reported Drew Nelson, do we know that yet? How
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Speaker 1: long have you been missing? We do? We don't know.
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Speaker 1: That's what I thought. Okay, So Joe Scott, you know,
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Speaker 1: first off, the most curious part to me is that, uh,
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Speaker 1: it would seem at least and I don't. We don't
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Speaker 1: have this peg down quite as of yet, because the
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Speaker 1: authorities haven't released a lot of information yet. But it
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Speaker 1: would seem kind of interesting that that she was reported
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Speaker 1: missing within twenty four hours of of of not being seen,
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Speaker 1: well within that that bracketted time period, and by the boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: And then back to this idea that what's unusual about that, well,
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Speaker 1: it just seems it seems a bit strange, you know,
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Speaker 1: that that that she would she would be reported as
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Speaker 1: missing a grown woman in that shorter period of time.
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Speaker 1: We don't know anything about the familial or the family
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Speaker 1: relationship dynamic. Did they actually live together, did they live
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Speaker 1: apart where they're supposed to have a meeting with one
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Speaker 1: another and she didn't show up? Had she been threatened?
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Speaker 1: Was he worried? So all of these questions are still
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Speaker 1: on the table uh to be answered as yet, and
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Speaker 1: thus far the authorities have not released much information that
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Speaker 1: we can kind of plug into to peg a lot
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Speaker 1: of this stuff down, and most importantly the timeline, because
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Speaker 1: that's critical in any case like this. Just thinking about
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Speaker 1: what you're saying, Um, are you trying in some way
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Speaker 1: to implicate the boyfriend? No? No, not at all, Okay,
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Speaker 1: because he has not been named a suspect hold on
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend. The boyfriend has not been named a suspect
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Speaker 1: or a person of interest. There are a lot of
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Speaker 1: scenarios to Dr Tiffany Sanders, Chicago psychologists are joining us
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Speaker 1: here on serious into a lot of scenarios under which
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend could be completely innocent. I mean, I can
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Speaker 1: think of one. UM, he goes to work in the morning,
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Speaker 1: the whole day long, he doesn't hear from her. He
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Speaker 1: goes out with his friends that night, or goes to
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Speaker 1: his family's home, He gets home late that night, hits
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Speaker 1: the site, and the next morning he realizes he hasn't
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Speaker 1: heard from her. That's one scenario, Dr Tiffany. I'm not
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Speaker 1: ready to point the finger at anybody yet, but are
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Speaker 1: there scenarios, many of them, under which the boyfriend could
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Speaker 1: not be implicated. You know, as I think about it, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: it seems so logical that the boyfriend would be the
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Speaker 1: one who's implicated UM in this in this particular crime. UM.
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Speaker 1: The only situation where you would think not is that,
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Speaker 1: like the previous guests was saying, if they had a
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Speaker 1: dinner date, they had an outing to go to UM
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Speaker 1: a work event and she and she was expected to go. Um,
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Speaker 1: but you know, my my gut instinct says that's not likely.
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Speaker 1: What could have happened? Maybe it was to to likely
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Speaker 1: seeing somebody else he found out, He became upset, jealous,
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Speaker 1: was enraged. We have to ask those questions and investigating
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Speaker 1: and talking to her friends and family about the dynamics
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Speaker 1: of their relationship. Very is very, very important. So at
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Speaker 1: this juncture, where does the case stand to Drew Nelson,
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories investigative reporter, where does it stand? The investigators
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Speaker 1: are waiting on the toxicology report and the autopsy. Uh,
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Speaker 1: there's no evidence to show that there is a crime
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Speaker 1: here or that there isn't a crime here. There's no
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Speaker 1: evidence to show that we know of that it was
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Speaker 1: an accident or a suicide. So as far as we're
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Speaker 1: waiting on the toxicology and autopsy to tell us if
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Speaker 1: we'll ever know what happened, a twenty three year old woman,
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Speaker 1: a brilliant software engineer with Google, has been down dead
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Speaker 1: naked in the San Francisco Bay waters. Just got morgan. Um.
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Speaker 1: If I were a betting person, which I'm not, I
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Speaker 1: would bet this is no suicide. Joe Scott, Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't I wouldn't. I wouldn't think that it would be either, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: What's what strikes me is very peculiar about this case
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Speaker 1: is the fact that she is somewhat undressed. I don't
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Speaker 1: know to what degree. I've heard reports that range from
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Speaker 1: partially uh new to fully nude, and so again that's unclear,
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Speaker 1: but we know that there is an absence of clothing.
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Speaker 1: I like, you have been to San Francisco, and boy
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Speaker 1: is it a beautiful place. But the one thing I
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Speaker 1: know about that San Francisco Bay is it is cold.
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Speaker 1: It is very, very cold. And I know that she
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Speaker 1: just didn't, you know, stick her toe in the water
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Speaker 1: and decide, well, I'm going to take off part of
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Speaker 1: my clothes and just go for a swim. Uh, That's
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Speaker 1: just not going to happen. Most people that go swimming
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Speaker 1: out there are the engaging any kind of water sports
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Speaker 1: uh wind surfing or anything like that, or wearing wet
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Speaker 1: suits or dry suits out there because the water is
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Speaker 1: so incredibly cold. So this is a very curious case.
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Speaker 1: I'm also going to be very interested in seeing the
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Speaker 1: autopsy report relative to what they find in her lungs.
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Speaker 1: I want to know if there's any evidence. If she
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Speaker 1: was alive when she went into that water, we can determine, say,
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Speaker 1: for instance, maybe if she drowned. Uh, and if there's
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Speaker 1: any kind of trauma to the body, things like that
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Speaker 1: that are very minute, like particular images in the eyes
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Speaker 1: to give an indication that maybe there was some kind
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Speaker 1: of asphyxiation that went on. So the jury is out
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Speaker 1: and toxicology is gonna be critical here, Nancy, if we're
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Speaker 1: talking about a potential suicide, I want to know what
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Speaker 1: level any drugs were in her system, alcohol, that sort
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Speaker 1: of thing, anything that would have inhibited her ability to
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Speaker 1: take care of herself in a way that she she
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Speaker 1: fell into the water, that she it was an unsurvivable event.
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Speaker 1: But again that brings us back to this idea, why
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Speaker 1: was she without clothing? Well, I'll tell you the way
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories Your Owner. On August eighteen, two thousand seven,
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Speaker 1: team the defendant lurned Savanna Lafontaine gray Wind, who was
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Speaker 1: eight months pregnant, up to her apartment as a part
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Speaker 1: of a conspiracy to murder Savanna and steal her onborn baby.
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Speaker 1: Savanna's body was found in the Red River on August seven,
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Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen. The baby was not with her. Odo
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Speaker 1: woman ends up where you would never expect in court
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Speaker 1: slicing the neighbor open to steal her baby and pass
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Speaker 1: it off on her as her own. Now I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you Joe Scott, Drew, Tiffany Jackie Allen. One of the
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Speaker 1: first times this came to the forefront of the public
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Speaker 1: consciousness was during the Scott Peterson case. That was one
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Speaker 1: devil his due, more and more cases have emerged. So
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Speaker 1: Garages actually had a viable theory. Of course it wasn't true,
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Speaker 1: but still he had a viable theory. Um. I want
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Speaker 1: to go out to Drew Nelson, Crime Stories investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about Brooke Cruise and the
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Speaker 1: Grinsley murder of her friend Savannah gray Win. Let's start
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Speaker 1: with the discovery of gray Winds body. Savannah gray Winds
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Speaker 1: body was found in the Red River. That was on
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Speaker 1: the August. Some kayakers were in the river and they
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Speaker 1: found this body wrapped in front. Oh my goodness. Well
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Speaker 1: that certainly rules out any kind of an accident. Go ahead.
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Speaker 1: And after that, the the investigation led back to her friend.
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Speaker 1: As you were saying, Uh, this woman, Brooke Cruise, that
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Speaker 1: was the last person that she was that Savannah was
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Speaker 1: seen with Brook Cruise thirty eight years old. Uh, they
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Speaker 1: were friends and they were the last person who saw
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Speaker 1: her alive was Brooke Cruise. They were just walking into
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Speaker 1: her apartment and that's the last we know about Savannah. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's a perfect place to start an investigation, the last
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Speaker 1: known whereabouts and who you were with at the time
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Speaker 1: you disappear. Savannah gray Win was a full eight months
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Speaker 1: pregnant when she disappeared. Not long after, about eight days later,
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Speaker 1: two kayakers discover the mother to be's body, as Drew
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Speaker 1: Nelson tells us, wrapped in plastic in a river, missing
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Speaker 1: her baby. The baby was no longer in her body,
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Speaker 1: and she had not given birth through a normal vaginal delivery.
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Speaker 1: So Joe Scott, right there, where do cops go? Well,
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Speaker 1: the first thing they're gonna they're gonna look at is
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Speaker 1: all of the physical evidence that remains, that remains in
22:41
Speaker 1: a particular case like this, UH starting point is going
22:44
Speaker 1: to be the body, the evidence that's that's left behind
22:48
Speaker 1: as a result of of the trauma that this woman
22:51
Speaker 1: would have had to have endured. Not just as you
22:54
Speaker 1: pointed out, the body is absent, the baby, Savannah's Savannah's
23:00
Speaker 1: UH is absent. This baby, the baby has obviously been
23:04
Speaker 1: and this is very grisly. Nancy has obviously been removed
23:08
Speaker 1: um in some kind of uh attempt to surgically extract
23:14
Speaker 1: the baby, which apparently they did. And then after this,
23:18
Speaker 1: after this, the body is wrapped in plastic, tied off
23:21
Speaker 1: with duct tape, and placed into the river. And you know,
23:25
Speaker 1: lots of times people do this for for two points,
23:28
Speaker 1: for two reasons, First in a moving body of water
23:31
Speaker 1: to get the body as far away from the initial
23:33
Speaker 1: point of where this occurred. And secondly, they submerge bodies
23:37
Speaker 1: in water to try to get rid of evidence. So
23:40
Speaker 1: we have to be very careful in cases like this.
23:42
Speaker 1: The plastic, the duct tape is going to be essential
23:45
Speaker 1: when they go back to try to marry this up
23:48
Speaker 1: or match it up with anything else they might find
23:51
Speaker 1: at the scene. Another important piece of physical information that's
23:55
Speaker 1: going to come from her body is what method, uh
23:59
Speaker 1: did they use to to essentially remove this baby? Uh.
24:04
Speaker 1: And And it's it's really interesting, Nancy. They're they're gonna
24:07
Speaker 1: they're going to actually when the body is brought into
24:11
Speaker 1: the morgue, they're gonna want to take a look at
24:12
Speaker 1: the body and say what level of skill, what level
24:16
Speaker 1: of skill did the individual possess that removed this baby?
24:22
Speaker 1: From this mother. I was saying that the baby was gone.
24:26
Speaker 1: The mom's body found wrapped in plastic weighted down at
24:30
Speaker 1: a river. My two kayakers, And you don't have to
24:36
Speaker 1: worry or try to determine at autopsy was it a
24:40
Speaker 1: normal vaginal delivery because her stomach had been sliced open.
24:47
Speaker 1: Dr Tiffany Sanders, Chicago Psychologists. I need a shrink in
24:52
Speaker 1: a big way right now. Who could do such a
24:56
Speaker 1: heinous thing? Well, yeah, Nancy, when I read the story details,
25:02
Speaker 1: I was appalled, and it's just absolutely disgusted at the
25:07
Speaker 1: fact that this woman would lure this twenty two year old,
25:10
Speaker 1: beautiful young mom to be and the desperation that that
25:15
Speaker 1: woman must have had. She must have been so desperate
25:18
Speaker 1: and not be uh and not able to see that
25:21
Speaker 1: this was heinous to rip a young baby from the
25:24
Speaker 1: mother's womb before it was even time for that baby
25:27
Speaker 1: to be born or delivered. It's just appalling. But Nancy,
25:32
Speaker 1: I have to point out that the fertility world is
25:35
Speaker 1: a very much pressured field world. So here she is
25:39
Speaker 1: thirty eight years old, this um the perpetrator, and she's
25:43
Speaker 1: probably um looking at her her body as the ages
25:46
Speaker 1: and her inability to conceive on her own, and and
25:50
Speaker 1: searching and trigger trying to find ways to concede. And
25:53
Speaker 1: she looks and say, hey, there's this young lady. I
25:56
Speaker 1: can just take her baby. Why not just adopt? Why
25:59
Speaker 1: not put yourself up in a position where you you
26:01
Speaker 1: seek out for tility treatment. Why steal someone else's baby?
26:04
Speaker 1: And and it's appalling and you just can't wrap your
26:06
Speaker 1: mind around it. Take a listen to what police say
26:10
Speaker 1: after kayakers make this horrific discovery. Good evening, everybody. I'm
26:17
Speaker 1: Chief Dave Todd with the Fargo Police Department, and this
26:19
Speaker 1: is Sheriff Bilbert Whist with the Clay County Sheriff's Department.
26:23
Speaker 1: At about five forty four this evening, kayakers in the
26:28
Speaker 1: river discovered what appeared to be a life or a
26:32
Speaker 1: body sized object wrapped in plastic in the river, hung
26:38
Speaker 1: up on a log. The kayakers notified law enforcement um
26:44
Speaker 1: and also coincidantly, at the same time, a search party
26:48
Speaker 1: was searching a farmstead right down this road by the bridge.
26:52
Speaker 1: There are some suspicious uh items in that farmstead that
26:57
Speaker 1: lead us to believe that that may be a crime scene.
27:01
Speaker 1: The body was pulled out of the river by law
27:03
Speaker 1: enforcement at about eight this evening, and at about nine
27:10
Speaker 1: that body was identified as Savanna Savannah gray wind Um.
27:16
Speaker 1: Savannah gray wind will be brought, I believe, to the
27:21
Speaker 1: Ramsey Ramsey County um Examiner, and the family has been notified.
27:29
Speaker 1: You know, just when you think you've seen it all,
27:32
Speaker 1: josephs Got Morgan forensics expert. You and I have handled
27:35
Speaker 1: so many homicides. I can't even count them. It's hard
27:39
Speaker 1: for people that are not in the crime world. God
27:41
Speaker 1: bless him. You know, if I did not feel a
27:45
Speaker 1: duty to fight crime, I would love to do something else,
27:51
Speaker 1: like my original dream of being a Shakespearean professor. But
27:55
Speaker 1: Joe's got Morgan. When you're in this world, you see
27:59
Speaker 1: one horrific crime after the next, after the next, and
28:04
Speaker 1: every time I think, I don't I've never seen anything
28:07
Speaker 1: like it in my life. But I gotta tell you,
28:08
Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. Finding a young mom's body dead wrapped
28:14
Speaker 1: in plastic, and then you unwrapped that plastic and find
28:17
Speaker 1: her sliced from her chest to her pubic area. That's
28:24
Speaker 1: how you find the body. I mean, that's one of
28:27
Speaker 1: the worst things I've ever heard. I've got to say
28:29
Speaker 1: Joe Scott. Yeah, it rinks right up there for me
28:33
Speaker 1: as well, Nancy. Uh And let's just go back for
28:36
Speaker 1: a second and think about what this young mother to
28:40
Speaker 1: be would have endured because to the best of my knowledge, um,
28:45
Speaker 1: there's no anesthesia applied here. Uh as Dr Tiffany had
28:49
Speaker 1: pointed out. Uh, this, this young young mother to be
28:54
Speaker 1: was was not ready to give birth yet she's only
28:58
Speaker 1: eight months along at this point. Uh So. And the
29:02
Speaker 1: thing about it is they have to keep her alive
29:05
Speaker 1: long enough so that the child remains viable. And that
29:08
Speaker 1: begs the question. I think this is gonna come in
29:10
Speaker 1: with court, and I know that you, being the prosecutor
29:13
Speaker 1: that you are, you would really make a point of this.
29:17
Speaker 1: This woman suffered as they took some type of edged
29:22
Speaker 1: weapon and sliced her body open and then sliced her
29:27
Speaker 1: womb open to get access to this body, and all
29:30
Speaker 1: the while she's there in terror. She's not just fearing
29:33
Speaker 1: for her life and the pain that she's having to
29:35
Speaker 1: go through, but also what is going to happen to
29:39
Speaker 1: this precious life that is inside of my body? Now?
29:43
Speaker 1: I want to go to brook Cruise mid thirties, who
29:48
Speaker 1: ends up in court. This is Savannah's friend, her next
29:53
Speaker 1: door neighbor. I mean, Ah ends up in court pleading
30:00
Speaker 1: guilty now, so that means there's no question that she
30:03
Speaker 1: did this. She is saying under oath, she is guilty
30:07
Speaker 1: of this grizzly murder of twenty two year old Savannah
30:10
Speaker 1: gray Wind. Interesting her boyfriend is pleading not guilty. I
30:15
Speaker 1: think I smell States testimony in the works. But listen
30:20
Speaker 1: to what happened in court your own. On August eighteen,
30:23
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, team and defendant learned Savannah La
30:26
Speaker 1: Fontaine gray Wind, who was eight months pregnant, up to
30:30
Speaker 1: her apartment as a part of a conspiracy to murder
30:33
Speaker 1: Savanna and steal her onborn baby. Savannah's body was found
30:37
Speaker 1: in the Red River on August seven, two thousand seventeen.
30:40
Speaker 1: The baby was not with her. The count one conspiracy
30:43
Speaker 1: to commit murder. How do you play? And if the
30:47
Speaker 1: court sentences you to a sentence greater than you anticipated,
30:51
Speaker 1: you will not be allowed to withdraw your plead. Do
30:53
Speaker 1: you understand that? I understand? Rather, now take a listen
30:57
Speaker 1: to this defendant, Brooke Crew, who is facing life in
31:01
Speaker 1: prison after pleading guilty. Listen to what her sister says,
31:06
Speaker 1: w d A Y six or foter Amy and tells
31:08
Speaker 1: us about brook Crews past and how family learned about
31:11
Speaker 1: the charges against their loved one Amy. We spoke with
31:15
Speaker 1: Don Dyer, one of brook Crews older sisters who lives
31:18
Speaker 1: in North Carolina now. She said after reading about this
31:21
Speaker 1: crime online, she noticed a big change and who she
31:24
Speaker 1: remembers as her sibling. You just don't look the same
31:29
Speaker 1: she looks like. But even with her change in appearance,
31:34
Speaker 1: Dyer says she never thought her sister would be capable
31:37
Speaker 1: of such a vicious act. She described Cruise in her
31:40
Speaker 1: younger years as free and caring, even though she was
31:43
Speaker 1: abused and had a criminal father. Dire says through the
31:47
Speaker 1: years they grew aparts, but she wishes she would have
31:49
Speaker 1: been able to notice her sister's need for mental health
31:52
Speaker 1: help to possibly keep this from happening. Really really are
31:58
Speaker 1: sorry for their love and I don't wish her upon
32:04
Speaker 1: anyone and maybe mind history. You know, it was like
32:12
Speaker 1: metally gone and I are also said she knew Cruis
32:16
Speaker 1: had three or four children, but just learned this week
32:19
Speaker 1: she has seven kids. So to Dr Tiffany sand Or,
32:23
Speaker 1: Chicago psychologists, how do you live without the rest of
32:25
Speaker 1: your life behind bars? I mean, I guess if you're
32:28
Speaker 1: vicious enough to do the crime, it really doesn't bother
32:31
Speaker 1: that well, it should bother her because she's gonna have
32:33
Speaker 1: plenty of time to think about. You know, what she
32:36
Speaker 1: did and how she uh pretty much ruined her life,
32:39
Speaker 1: her boyfriend's life, and the lives of this beautiful young
32:42
Speaker 1: child who was just born and snatched away from her
32:46
Speaker 1: mother and Nancy. You want to think about what was
32:49
Speaker 1: the psyche behind it? Was she that blinded by her
32:53
Speaker 1: own sense of greed and selfishness that she would cause
32:56
Speaker 1: that amount of immense pain. She had to literally block
32:59
Speaker 1: out the screens, the tears, the agony that that young
33:04
Speaker 1: girl was going in. It's truly unimaginable. So I hope
33:09
Speaker 1: she has many many years behind bars to suffer from
33:13
Speaker 1: her own PTSD reminded from that imagery over and over
33:17
Speaker 1: and over again, because that was just unnecessary. As we
33:20
Speaker 1: await the sentencing um, this perpetrator who has played guilty
33:24
Speaker 1: under oath, Brooke Crews, mid thirties, who has admitted that
33:29
Speaker 1: she murdered her neighbor her friend, slicing her body open
33:34
Speaker 1: to steal her baby. The baby is alive, by the way,
33:37
Speaker 1: the baby was found in her apartment that she shares
33:41
Speaker 1: with her living boyfriend, so not a whole lot of
33:44
Speaker 1: questioning there. I think at first they tried to say
33:46
Speaker 1: that she had dropped the baby off to babysitting the
33:49
Speaker 1: baby or Sun Sun a story like that. Well that's ridiculous.
33:53
Speaker 1: But I'm just keeping my eye on the live in boyfriend,
33:58
Speaker 1: William Hone, aged thirty two, who has pled not guilty. Okay,
34:04
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34:06
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Speaker 1: time for dennist Thanks for being our partner today. When
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Speaker 1: e Dondre dennist Alan, you've got a question? Yes, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: As I listened to this discussion, it makes me ask
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Speaker 1: how can a baby survive being cut out of its
36:18
Speaker 1: mother's womb by a criminal who is not medically trained? Cesarean?
36:23
Speaker 1: Births in a hospital are not simple by a doctor.
36:27
Speaker 1: And if the mother's already dead, could the baby still
36:30
Speaker 1: be alive? Does the cutting half have to happen while
36:33
Speaker 1: the mother is alive. That's a horrible thing to imagine.
36:37
Speaker 1: So I've called our expert, Dr William Moroney to find out.
36:42
Speaker 1: Dr Moroney, we have a case where a woman has
36:45
Speaker 1: admitted to cutting a baby out of an eight month
36:48
Speaker 1: pregnant woman and the baby survived and the baby is
36:52
Speaker 1: doing fine right now, how does this happen? Childbirth? Cesarean
36:57
Speaker 1: is not a simple thing. Was this pure luck? Or
37:01
Speaker 1: is this something that actually happens in a baby can survive? Well,
37:05
Speaker 1: the baby can survive, but you always have to ask
37:09
Speaker 1: about the mother's health. Babies are extremely resilient, and delivering
37:15
Speaker 1: the birth of a baby through cesarean process really puts
37:20
Speaker 1: about of the trauma and the laceration and the blood
37:26
Speaker 1: pressure risk and the infection all on the mother. In
37:31
Speaker 1: order to do this in a hospital, a woman needs
37:34
Speaker 1: anesthesia and professionals. To do it outside of the hospital,
37:41
Speaker 1: she would have to have been drugged or beaten and
37:47
Speaker 1: tied down or subdued or killed. And then you need
37:53
Speaker 1: five or six minutes to go through three muscle layers
37:59
Speaker 1: the body, heavity and two uh carefully enter the side
38:06
Speaker 1: of the uterus. Based on the size of the baby.
38:10
Speaker 1: It's really clear where you need to cut, but you
38:13
Speaker 1: have five or six minutes to get that baby out
38:15
Speaker 1: before the baby becomes an oxy. The mother takes all
38:18
Speaker 1: the trauma well. In this case, the mother was found
38:21
Speaker 1: dead later by kayakers in a river, wrapped up in
38:25
Speaker 1: plastic and taped up, so we kind of know the
38:29
Speaker 1: route that this woman took. She would have wanted to
38:32
Speaker 1: keep the woman alive while she cut the baby out.
38:35
Speaker 1: Is that right? If you directly contribute to the death
38:39
Speaker 1: of the mother, you have five minutes plus or minus
38:44
Speaker 1: to get that baby out before it gets an oxic.
38:47
Speaker 1: Without oxygen, that baby will die and have brain death.
38:52
Speaker 1: So what possibly would have happened was the mother was
38:55
Speaker 1: bound up t I do you think subdued, knocked out
39:00
Speaker 1: or whatever before this happened, and then apparently without drugs
39:04
Speaker 1: or any kind of medical instrument, the child was just
39:07
Speaker 1: cut out, as you say, through three layers of muscle,
39:10
Speaker 1: three layers of muscle of body cavity, and then cut
39:13
Speaker 1: open the uterus. Cutting open uterus would be very similar
39:17
Speaker 1: to cutting open a punkin or a large watermelon. I
39:21
Speaker 1: don't know if you google this and find out how
39:23
Speaker 1: you're going to do it, But if you've got a
39:24
Speaker 1: plan to steal your neighbor's baby in that brutal fashion,
39:28
Speaker 1: I guess you either have to know what you're doing
39:30
Speaker 1: or get kind of lucky. I suppose because it's not
39:33
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think it would be an obvious thing to
39:36
Speaker 1: know how to do. No, it wouldn't. And that's where
39:39
Speaker 1: you put the life of the baby at risk after
39:43
Speaker 1: you get it out by not having proper postpartum care.
39:48
Speaker 1: But how you'd actually do it would be in a
39:50
Speaker 1: textbook online or in a library for midwife's or o
39:55
Speaker 1: b G y N doctors. And the bottom line on
39:58
Speaker 1: this is she really didn't care about the mother. That
40:03
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense because when you go in
40:07
Speaker 1: the hospital, it's the care of the mother that's the
40:10
Speaker 1: primary concern, and postpartum care of the mother and the
40:15
Speaker 1: baby are what professionals are trained for. Once you consider
40:20
Speaker 1: the mother to be a crime victim and disposable, this
40:23
Speaker 1: is it's very dark, but it can be done, and
40:28
Speaker 1: it is done. I mean, this case we're talking about
40:31
Speaker 1: right now is not the only time it's been done.
40:33
Speaker 1: And it's not just something we see in the movies. No.
40:37
Speaker 1: In the last decade that we've been on true crime
40:39
Speaker 1: stories in the network, we've seen this handful of times.
40:43
Speaker 1: This happens often, but of course, how do you explain
40:47
Speaker 1: the baby. And in this case, the woman and her
40:50
Speaker 1: boyfriend had been arrested, the body was found, the baby
40:54
Speaker 1: recovered alive, and now it's safe with the father. But
41:00
Speaker 1: if one thing had gone wrong, this baby would not
41:03
Speaker 1: be with us. It's very clear that there's some twisted
41:08
Speaker 1: pathology behind the person doing this. This is severe mental
41:13
Speaker 1: illness and it causes literally the murder of another person.
41:19
Speaker 1: But there's there's no way to explain this, and we
41:22
Speaker 1: just hope she gets her her justice in the system.
41:27
Speaker 1: But the knowledge to do this is in textbooks and
41:31
Speaker 1: on the internet, and it means total disregard for the
41:35
Speaker 1: life of another person. And now let's listen to a
41:39
Speaker 1: news conference from back in August. August that was six
41:42
Speaker 1: days after Savannah disappeared, before she was found dead far Go,
41:46
Speaker 1: North Dakota Police Chief David Todd tells reporters about making
41:51
Speaker 1: to arrest in regard to this Anna Marie gray Wind
41:55
Speaker 1: missing person's case. As I stated before, we've dedicated a
41:59
Speaker 1: lot of attention to this case, but until Wednesday, we
42:03
Speaker 1: had not yet established a criminal nexus to this case
42:07
Speaker 1: that would allow us to obtain warrants for our residence
42:11
Speaker 1: and electronic devices. We were running constant surveillance and investigating
42:17
Speaker 1: several different theories regarding Savannah being held against her will
42:22
Speaker 1: and or her unborn child being induced or removed and
42:26
Speaker 1: possibly alive. Therefore, we were careful about what we were
42:31
Speaker 1: saying or releasing in fear that a suspect or suspects
42:36
Speaker 1: may panic and dispose of them in order to get
42:40
Speaker 1: rid of incriminating evidence. We were hoping the surveillance would
42:44
Speaker 1: produce a result of the possible suspects leading us to
42:48
Speaker 1: where Savannah or her baby were. We were able to
42:53
Speaker 1: develop a criminal nexus on Wednesday, allowing us to put
42:57
Speaker 1: together warrants and a coordinated plan to take William Henry
43:02
Speaker 1: Hone and Brooke Lynn Cruise into custody yesterday at two
43:07
Speaker 1: separate locations and secure apartment number five at ninth Street
43:14
Speaker 1: North for forensic search pursuant to the search warrant we
43:18
Speaker 1: had obtained. The search was conducted by a specialized forensics team.
43:26
Speaker 1: As I said yesterday in my release, our entry and
43:29
Speaker 1: search found a newborn baby girl in apartment number five
43:36
Speaker 1: ninth Street North with Brooke Lynn Cruise. The baby girl
43:42
Speaker 1: was transported by ambulance to a medical facility where she
43:47
Speaker 1: is currently being cared for. Detective interviews with Holmes and
43:53
Speaker 1: Cruise indicate the baby girl is Savannah's baby. We are
44:00
Speaker 1: going DNA testing to confirm the identity of the baby. However,
44:05
Speaker 1: testing and results can take several days. In the interviews.
44:11
Speaker 1: When it comes to the topic of what happened to Savannah,
44:16
Speaker 1: neither Hone nor Cruise will cooperate with our investigation. Both
44:22
Speaker 1: Hone and crews invoked their right to counsel and refuse
44:27
Speaker 1: to answer any more questions. At that point, we arrested
44:31
Speaker 1: both of them and charged them with Class A felony
44:35
Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit kidnapping. Thirty eight year old Brooke Lynn
44:39
Speaker 1: Cruise after that guilty plea to conspiracy to commit murder
44:43
Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit kidnapping providing false information to police is
44:47
Speaker 1: set to be sentenced in January. January. If her presentencing
44:52
Speaker 1: report is completed, she could get a maximum for the
44:55
Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit murder charge life in prison without parole.
44:59
Speaker 1: The maximum and penalty for the conspiracy to commit kidnapping
45:02
Speaker 1: twenty years in prison, a find of twenty dollars and
45:05
Speaker 1: there is a trial coming up. Unless William Henry Haunt
45:09
Speaker 1: two pleads guilty, he faces the same charges as his girlfriend.
45:13
Speaker 1: He has pleaded not guilty so far, a trial is
45:17
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