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  Welcome to the Western show. You continue to talk like you're
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  Let's go, I thought, under your skin.
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  I'm ready to this. Episode now yeah we need like
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  deadly games theme song immediately because.
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  We are back. For Part 2 Survivor Series 1998,
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  this is this is the Extra Cooler show.
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  My name is Nick all the known as Extra Cooler.
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  Appropriately me and the Survivor Series team, we are
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  back. We are covering Part 2 of 1998
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  Survivor Series as usually. Find us on Instagram at Extra
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  So you're definitely gonna want to head over there.
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  But yeah, guys ready, ready for some deadly games or deadly
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  game? Just lively, just lively games.
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  Lively games, that's. All you're up for.
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  I do have, I want to object to the way Matt started the song
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  there, which is like just Jim Johnston going oh, like right to
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  start is. Well.
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  Very off the space, if you catch my drift there, yeah.
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  It's got sprung on me. I wasn't expecting it and then I
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  was trying to find it. The volume was all messed up.
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  So I have this feeling it when I rush, when I rush things.
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  It gives you a little Jim Johnston O face.
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  There you go. Well done.
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  Well, Are you ready to deliver some housekeeping?
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  I think so. I think so I, I can, I can do
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  that for us. So last week we, we, we
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  obviously covered Part 1 of Survivor Series 1998 and there
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  was some questions around Sergeant Slaughter and his role
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  as commissioner or more so even his part in the Stooges really
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  being caught up with Briscoe and, and Patterson here with
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  Vince. And I didn't find a ton from a
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  timeline perspective. As I just told the guys right
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  before the episode, I was trying to do my homework on the bus on
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  the way to school. So this was a last minute cram
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  session. So I did find that he was
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  assuming the role of the on Air Commissioner which was
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  relinquished by Gorilla Monsoon in August of 97.
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  But then in early 98, Slaughter turns heel and joins the Stooges
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  and it's kind of on and off through the end of 1998 when he
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  also steps down as commissioner as well.
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  So it's pretty much the the year of 1998.
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  And there's a couple of sporadic appearances from Sergeant
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  Slaughter from there forward through 2001.
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  But really it's it's 98 is really when he is with the
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  Stooges. It just still feels really weird
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  to look at. Yeah, I don't.
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  I don't really recall him lingering around that long.
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  Maybe it was like a backstage thing and he definitely wasn't
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  on air, but. I'm pretty sure he's he's done
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  with the the Stooges once they merge with like the corporate,
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  the ministry there that's it happens like before that.
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  Sounds about right. Yeah, well, that's like Stooges
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  says, you know, it's just the two like that's you don't think
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  anybody else. Yes, exactly.
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  So that's what I get for trying to do my homework on the way to
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  the on the way to school. So kids take that as your
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  advice. But I did do my homework and
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  housekeeping for whether or not Marlena was pregnant or actually
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  pregnant or not in 1998. And boys, it was a work.
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  She only has one child, Dakota, of course, and she was born in
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  1994. So cheers to that boys.
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  That worked. Yep, we got worked.
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  You forgot your drop though. Enough is enough, and it's time
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  for. Housekeeping.
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  Sorry, so, so we're going to end with that and we're going to
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  move on to Part 2 of Survivor Series 1999.
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  Again takes place November 15th. Sorry, 1998.
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  Sorry, November 15th at the Keel Center in St.
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  Louis, MO Lawler and Jim Ross are on commentary.
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  This is the first Survivor Series without any traditional
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  Survivor Series matches and it's got the 14 man single
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  elimination match. We covered the first two rounds
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  of the tournament, right? So let's we're going to jump
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  through. In the second round, we saw
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  Undertaker defeating Kane, Rock defeating Ken Shamrock, Mankind
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  defeating Al Snow, and then Stone Cold advancing via count
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  out because he had no opponent. So I, I, you know, that was a
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  whole weird thing in itself. But again, the winner of this
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  tournament is going to take the vacated WWF Championship and
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  things are really, really, really headed that way right
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  now. We're kicking things off on this
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  episode with Michael Cole, backstage with Paul Bearer.
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  And what is more terrifying, Paul Bearer.
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  With or without makeup? Because I'm gonna go without.
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  He's yeah, I like him almost better, like, And I think they
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  should have just called him his real name, Percy Pringle, right?
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  Like, or at least when he has no face paint, he should be like,
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  straight up Percy Pringle because it's like a perfect
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  name. He's insane.
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  Oh and yeah, just the the facial expressions without the makeup.
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  It's. It's oh man, he is.
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  He's a looker man, that's for sure.
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  He's. So perfect for like, the
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  undertaker's manager though. He's just Oh yeah.
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  Especially during this era too. Like it fits.
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  Yes, it's a little meaner, really.
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  Well, a little more real. Yeah.
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  But we're going to get to our first match, which is our first
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  non tournament match of of the event.
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  Nice job. Can't forget that we've got
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  Sable facing off against Jacqueline.
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  They've kind of like teased this and and thrown it in there
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  throughout the night and on Sunday night heat.
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  Jacqueline is the women's champion, she is with Mark
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  Marrow. We've got Shane McMahon as the
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  referee, right? And I don't know about you guys,
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  but as soon as this match started and Shane was the
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  referee, I, I felt like I blacked out and I, I was kind of
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  like, why is Shane the referee like did?
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  Did you guys immediately remember that Shane was the ref
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  in this match? I definitely forgot that.
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  Yeah, no way did I. Remember that all right, 'cause
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  I was like, why? Is he the?
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  Referee right now, like what is his role with the company?
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  Like I, I it's very blurry. I think it's.
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  What? Happened.
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  Oh, go ahead, You go ahead. Yeah, for for what happened was
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  Vince McMahon pretty much denounced Shane as his son.
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  And this is when he started taking on Mankind, as you know,
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  and and said, you know, I've lost a son and but I've gained
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  another. And then and then Mankind starts
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  calling Vince dad. You hear it later on in this
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  card. But he then assigned they he
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  assigned Shane to then be a lowly referee.
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  So that's really where it comes from.
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  And it's, and it's really actually pretty good
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  storytelling from this part because it's setting up the
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  events of the evening and how it's all going to go down and,
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  you know, you don't think of anything because Shane has been
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  demoted to be a ref by Vincent. It's one of the smarter bits of
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  booking in the whole thing, I think, right, Like it's actually
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  like, oh, all right, this makes sense.
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  You can't shoot a million poles through it and.
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  You. Think and he hates Vince at this
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  time too. Yeah.
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  It was definitely one of those things about like halfway
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  through this match, it kind of clicked as to why he was in this
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  role and it made sense. But Jacqueline's music is awful.
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  It's one of the worst wrestling entrance musics I have ever
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  heard. She comes down with Mark Marrow,
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  who's got a little pep in his step.
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  What's it like? Wow, wow, wow, wow.
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  I don't even know what it is. But, you know, it sounds like a
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  bootleg version of like, his boxing.
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  Yeah, when he was in the marvelous, marvelous Marc Marrow
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  character. It sounds like just a poor man's
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  version of that, I think. Jacqueline has Sable's weave
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  intertwined in through her weave.
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  It's This is women's wrestling in 1998 right now.
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  There you go. Can I read you a paragraph from
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  Wikipedia that says cements exactly what you just said?
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  It's about this feud, so it's about the card.
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  The two other feuds going into the event were both championship
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  feuds. Mark Marrow grew jealous of his
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  valet Sable and the attention she gained, eventually having
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  her fired by defeating her defeating her in a match.
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  When she returned as a wrestler, her in her own right, Mero
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  employed a new valet, Jacqueline, and the two
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  naturally squared off. First they had a bikini contest
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  which brace for it, which Sable won by popularity but was
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  disqualified as her bikini consisted of handprints.
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  Perfect. Wait, was that Nick making the
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  noise or was that the there we go.
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  I think we just need like the Nick soundboard.
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  Doing that voice. Also, do you think that's just
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  Goldberg in Johnston's, you know, studio and like Johnston's
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  like laying it down and Goldberg's just doing?
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  Oh God, this shows how much we care about this match.
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  Although I did think the impressive part was Sable goes
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  for a pin at one point and Mark Merrill pulls her out of the
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  ring and she delivers a Sable bomb.
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  And Merrill's not a tiny guy, and she's pretty tiny, so I
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  thought it was an impressive spot.
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  I thought she was going to drop him on his skull like it was.
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  It was hairy for a second of her, like trying to get the turn
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  even with Mero, like obviously assisting with a jump.
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  It was still. Scary.
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  She has like 2 moves. Jackie legitimizes the match so
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  much. Jackie even like makes it
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  actually look like a fight even if it's what 3 minutes?
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  Something like. That match goes.
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  Two moves the. Match goes 3 minutes and 14
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  seconds. Jacqueline's taunting Sable with
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  the hair that she had cut off of her cut off of her supposedly.
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  But Sable wins the Women's Championship with the Sable
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  Bomb, and here we are. So that's her only championship,
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  this reign right here. Really.
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  So I thought, I always thought she had more than one, but no.
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  I thought she had like a she had that heel run right for the the
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  women that want to be me and the men that want to beat.
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  Yeah, Yep. She did that move for like a
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  little dance, signature dance, Yeah, that was.
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  Later on the same run. Really.
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  That's. The same run, yeah, apparently
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  they brought. This is the whole reason they
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  brought the women's championship back was first Sable.
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  Interesting, here I am getting my notebook.
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  Out. Yep.
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  Get it out. All right.
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  Meltzer, one star. Meltzer one star.
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  Wow. One star, though, it's better.
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  Better than the. Matches on the first guy half.
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  He's firing off of those duds. Yeah.
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  So our next match is the first tournament semi final match,
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  which is Mankind versus Stone Gold.
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  And the match goes 10 minutes and 27 seconds.
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  Again, we're down to the final four, Austin versus McMahon,
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  Taker versus Rock. And that's a pretty like looking
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  back at that final four, that's an impressive final four for
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  sure. We've got corporate sponsored
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  Mankind. Players right there, probably.
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  Versus fan favorite Stone Cold Steve Austin.
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  And it's just like your standard brawl between these two.
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  I like how right from the jump, Austin basically strips Mankind
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  of his tuxedo jacket and and then the shoes, which again,
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  only Mankind could make that work.
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  Only Mick Foley could make it work.
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  Wrestling in socks. Like I kept watching.
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  I'm like, when's he gonna slip and fall right on his ass?
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  I agree. But pretty early in the match,
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  the crowd starts booing as Vince is pushed down to the ringside
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  by the Stooges and Commissioner Slaughter.
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  These two, I feel like in WWF we didn't get enough or there's not
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  enough focus on Mick Foley and Stone Cold and the matches that
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  they had and that they could have had because of like the
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  brawling style of Austin and just Mick Foley can go with
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  anybody. I I thought this match was was
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  one of the more fun matches on the car. 100% well.
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  Right before you forget, leading up to this, like before this was
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  like over the edge. We're like dude love faced Stone
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  Cold with like McMahon is the ref and like Patterson was the
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  ring announcer or something. So in the match Mankind is on
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  the receiving end of a Luthaz press.
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  He avoids A stunner and slides out of the ring and starts to
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  run away. But Vinces guys kind of talk him
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  into getting back in the ring, right?
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  Like you don't want to give up. You don't want to give up, Mick.
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  Get back in there. This has to be the fastest we've
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  ever seen Mick Foley run in any in any form, in any shape.
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  That dude is booking it up the aisle way and I was wondering if
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  it was just to get more camera time for that big skull
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  entrance. That was so chef's kiss in this
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  event. It to go back to that, and I
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  know we're in the middle of this match.
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  That is, to me it's it's and after watching this event I
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  think it's one of the coolest and most underrated and under
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  appreciated entrances in WWF history.
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  Like that thing is legit man, whoever put that thing together.
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  I bet you it's still in the warehouse in Connecticut.
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  It has to be Yeah, you would you think I I would love to see
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  that. Like it's like stuck somewhere
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  in the back. Yeah, if if Triple H was on this
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  card, I bet you he would have brought it back by now.
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  But you see, are you proud of me, Andrew?
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  Anyway, Austin? Austin catches Mankind from
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  behind with a clothesline and they they fight in and out of
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  the ring. Was he smashes all three of
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  their heads together first. Very like 80s style move I love.
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  Her triple triple noggin knocker.
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  Yeah, I like that, McMahon Livid.
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  Livid at this point too, when all three of the guys get beat
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  up in one fell swoop. I like what he gets to get him,
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  Mick, get him. It's this this whole
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  pay-per-view is really interesting there.
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  What like what is the deal with? Why all of a sudden it almost
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  becomes like a no DQ match without?
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  It's kind of all night long, but they don't announce it in any
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  way, shape or form because there's a chair that gets
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  involved. They're fighting outside the
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  ring for the majority of the night.
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  Like it's it essentially in the back half of this pay-per-view.
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  Yes, everything turns into this. No DQ anything goes, but you
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  have to finish in the ring kind of situation and this is really
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  where it starts to really noticeable.
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  Why that Shane McMahon booking from before that we talked about
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  the refs looks so much smarter because the refs, this is like,
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  like, throw whatever, make it up as we go.
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  Otherwise, they could have just disqualified Austin for like,
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  using a chair. Right.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  And in the beginning half that we covered on the last episode,
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  there's a lot of like outside interference with, you know,
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  with head and the guitar and like that the referee like is
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  purposely looking the other way. But in this like the ref is
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  there and he's watching the thing.
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  And I think Jr. like says something at one point about
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  like I, I guess this is no DQ at this point.
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  You know, we talked about, I think Matt a lot talks about the
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  system suspension of disbelief, right?
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  And like how you could like that's part of this, right?
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  Like you have to, you have to suspend it.
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  But like, like sometimes it's just the writing is shoddy.
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  Like it's like there's no attention to detail with those
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  kind of things that that kind of drives me nuts.
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  Yes, forever, Forever will drive me nuts.
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  So again, Vince's ringside with with the Stooges and Vince's in
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  in the wheelchair throughout this entire match, which is
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  going to become very important as we move in.
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  Mankind introduces a chair into the match, delivers a double arm
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  DDT onto the chair, doesn't keep Austin down.
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  He can't pin Austin. He tries to pile drive him, but
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  that's when Austin reverses it, throws Mankind onto the chair.
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  Then things are starting to heat up a little bit.
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  Delivers a stone cold stunner onto the chair.
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  And then as Austin goes for the win, Vince suddenly is a OK.
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  He jumps right out of his wheelchair, pulls the referee
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  out of the ring, punches him to the ground, kicks him.
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  He's he's flipping out. He is not happy.
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  Austin's looking on in shock and Mankind applies the Mandible
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  Club and all of a sudden his pants fall down.
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  So good. He's got the tuxedo pants over
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  his signature brown pants, and the tuxedo pants fall down,
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  which again, feels appropriate for a match of not only Mankind
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  and Mick Foley, but facing off against Stone Cold.
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  Like it just works perfectly. But Austin throws him into the
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  ropes, catches another Stunner covering him, but there's no
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  referee. And suddenly Shane, being a
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  referee, comes down, slides in the ring, counts and stops it
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  too, as Austin looks up. And Shane sat up on his knees
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  and gives Austin the finger, the double bird, the signature
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  McMahon like, yeah, the floppy wrists.
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  And Briscoe and Slaughter climb in the ring, hit Austin with a
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  First of all, Briscoe's chair shot is like this man has never
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  swung as a steel chair in his life.
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  Setup is so slow too. Oh, it's slow motion.
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  He's like, I don't want to do this.
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  Mr. McMahon. Mr. McMahon.
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  But Shane counts the pinfall and advances Mick Foley or Mankind
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  into the finals as a Vince and his entourage speed off, quickly
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  jumping into a limousine, and Austin follows after tosses some
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  random guy with the WWF shirt out of his like Ford.
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  Bronco, I love Jr. with the McMahon and company running
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  away. He's like, here they go skipping
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  Gailey away. Like I noticed that too.
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  They're like, they're really like, yeah, they are like
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  feeling great. It's, it's very, it's funny
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  because they they've go, they follow them through the the
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  halls into the car and everything.
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  But it keeps cutting back to Austin.
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  It's a. It's a fun little bit of
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  production, I think. And keep Mr. McMahon.
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  It's easy to get Austin out of there, too, so he doesn't mess
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  with the finals. Yes.
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  So the end of this match felt extremely, extremely awkward
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  because it looked like every single person in that match was
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  like trying to figure out what the hell was going on.
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  And there's a reason for it. Big Boss Man was supposed to be
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  in the ring for the finish of this match, so that.
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  Chair shot. Yes, that chair shot that you
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  saw was not supposed to happen. That wasn't the scripted
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  finished. So I was listening to I was
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  listening to something to wrestle with about this from
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  like they they covered it in 19. I'm sorry in 2018.
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  But anyway, Pritchard is talking about how when Shane goes to
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  back up into the corner, boss man is supposed to be behind him
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  and is supposed to be the guy that actually takes out stone
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  cold and lays him out for the 123.
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  But instead Austin like Shane rolls out of the ring.
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  Thankfully he was like aware enough to do this.
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  He then Austin is just kind of looking around like what are we
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  doing now? Sarge and Briscoe get into the
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  ring. Briscoe has the chair and
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  Prichard said that Briscoe was afraid to actually swing the
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  chair at the biggest man in the company with a bum neck.
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  So he just like little tink onto his head and like that was the
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  finish. And it doesn't make any sense
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  cuz Austin kicks out of so much he takes the double arm EDT onto
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  the onto the chair and a little chair shot from Gerald Briscoe
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  is the is the thing that ends it.
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  That is why it did feel weird. It was like what?
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  That is it. Like he goes down.
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  So much more sense he. Also.
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  He also was doing what happened. Yeah, yeah.
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  Wait, yeah, wait. What was?
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  Bossman doing yeah. I'm getting there.
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  So he he said that Vince was absolutely livid.
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  Like, like fuming mad. Rightfully so, but they were
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  immediately after this, they had to go film the getting into the
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  into the the limo and then Austin gets into the truck and
• 21:52
  they have to drive around the block.
• 21:53
  So he didn't even get back into the gorilla to like tear people
• 21:57
  apart until much, much later. Beyond that, Bossman's
• 22:01
  explanation was that he had not gone over his match with the
• 22:04
  Undertaker and he needed to go back and review the match with
• 22:09
  Undertaker and that he asked if he was needed in the in the
• 22:12
  beginning, like in Gorilla, before the match even started,
• 22:15
  he asked if he was needed and he just vanished and disappeared.
• 22:20
  And everyone that was out there told, or Pritchard tells it that
• 22:24
  everyone that was out there thought that Boss Man was
• 22:26
  actually at ringside. And then they started looking
• 22:28
  around like where the hell is Boss Man?
• 22:31
  So yeah, it was kind of like that's what it is.
• 22:35
  Decent, decent improv, though. I mean, like if you had like the
• 22:39
  guys nowhere to be found, they had to do something.
• 22:41
  I mean it's. Not great improv by Shane to
• 22:43
  like lure Austin into the far corner and kind of stall and
• 22:48
  allow the other two guys to get up on the apron on the left
• 22:50
  side. And this is, yeah, this is
• 22:52
  really. The first time that that Shane
• 22:56
  is actually in a an angle, like he's been around the the
• 23:00
  business forever and he's reft in the past.
• 23:02
  But like this is the first time he's an on screen character and
• 23:05
  he gets thrown into something like this.
• 23:06
  It makes me think about like when he blew out his quads and
• 23:09
  Snoop Dogg was aware enough to come in and do what he needed to
• 23:12
  do. No wonder maybe this makes sense
• 23:16
  that Vince is probably like, boss man, you're gonna to hell
• 23:21
  in the cell and he understand he's going to hang you from the
• 23:23
  cell and then you're going to have kennel from Hell match.
• 23:27
  Yeah, yeah. Talk about punishments.
• 23:29
  Oh my God. Although he is like has, he's
• 23:32
  later like dabbing them up right?
• 23:33
  Like they're all like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:34
  He's. Got to be all cheery.
• 23:36
  You could take the night off. Maybe that's why he sent them
• 23:38
  off. He's like, you're not going to
• 23:39
  mess this up anymore, get out of here.
• 23:41
  Oh my. God.
• 23:42
  So his in his defense, he's done a lot already.
• 23:46
  Yes, he has, yeah. Oh yeah.
• 23:49
  So after this match, you know, you get the whole, the whole
• 23:52
  thing that goes down, but then you go back to the announce desk
• 23:55
  and it feels like this is the first time of the entire evening
• 23:58
  that they've like slowed down to recap anything.
• 24:01
  And Jr. and King and Jr. in particular is absolutely fired
• 24:05
  up about everything that's going on.
• 24:08
  And in true Jr. fashion, and I had to pull a clip of this like
• 24:11
  2 minutes worth, but I only played 17 seconds.
• 24:14
  So here we go. Austin's been duped.
• 24:16
  Is that what we're saying here? That Shane McMahon and his daddy
• 24:19
  sucked in Austin too? And everybody else, including
• 24:22
  me, you, everybody here, everybody got screwed by the
• 24:26
  McMahon family? Is that what we're saying?
• 24:27
  How smart, how brilliant is Vince McMahon?
• 24:35
  Meanwhile, throughout this, like this tangent that Jim Ross is
• 24:40
  going on, it's like, you know, a classic shot of him and Lawler
• 24:44
  at the at the announce desk, there is like the biggest piece
• 24:47
  of white trash behind him, like just sitting there on screen
• 24:51
  with his middle finger up at the camera, like, like not pissed,
• 24:55
  like thinking he's hot shit. And it's like, you watch this
• 24:58
  guy and he's with his kid and I'm like, Oh my God, the
• 25:01
  Attitude Era was something else. So cool bro, you look.
• 25:05
  At his middle finger, the head, the head man.
• 25:09
  Behind behind that guy is a sign that says every what does
• 25:12
  everybody want? And it just says tits like
• 25:15
  that's the entire sign. Again.
• 25:18
  Attitude Era. Attitude Era?
• 25:19
  Yikes. Oh man.
• 25:21
  All right, let's talk about what's in everybody's cooler.
• 25:23
  The Extra cooler show and what's in the cooler is brought to you
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  by Snoop Brewing Company. Snoop Brewing is known for their
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  hazy and golden Ipas like Juice Bomb and Super Soft Company Man
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  Over Here. Company man is here.
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  I have a West Coast Sloop by Pai truly do enjoy this very very
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  much and I feel like I've I've had the big hazy Ipas the last
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  couple of weeks with with tree house and it's good to go back
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  to a crisp West Coast style hot like.
• 25:53
  That. Cheers boys, Cheers.
• 25:57
  You drinking the wine over there, Nick?
• 25:59
  Oh yeah, I, I, you guys really warmed me up last week and I was
• 26:03
  like, I'm going to open up a bottle of wine.
• 26:06
  So I actually opened it up last night in preparation and I've
• 26:10
  got a Mal back with me tonight. And there we go for this deadly
• 26:13
  game that we're playing. I've heard about letting a wine
• 26:17
  breathe, but a full a full 24 hours it seems exorbitant.
• 26:22
  Well, I had some last night. I got to.
• 26:26
  Go to work. Mr. McMahon.
• 26:30
  Just imagine how much stable noises he makes if he drinks the
• 26:33
  whole body. What?
• 26:37
  Do you guys got? I've got I do not have wine.
• 26:42
  I have this weird thing that my wife got from ALDI.
• 26:45
  It's called Fieldcraft. It's a extra fruited hard
• 26:50
  seltzer. It's like 9% though, but it's in
• 26:52
  like the bait, like the BFC, not weldy.
• 26:55
  Yeah, yeah, it's not. It tastes totally different than
• 26:58
  a seltzer. It's I guess it's like a cross
• 26:59
  between a seltzer and a cider, if I had to say.
• 27:01
  OK, where's it from? Oh, oh, no, it's not good.
• 27:04
  It's from Utica, NY. Oh man.
• 27:11
  I It's not bad. Why is you dead?
• 27:15
  You're been to Utica. Come on.
• 27:16
  No, no, there's a reason. There you go.
• 27:19
  There once. What'd you say?
• 27:21
  Nothing. Forget it.
• 27:23
  And banger Mike, what do you got?
• 27:25
  I got some more red red wine. Is it sugar free sugar?
• 27:29
  Freebabyso.com. The OG fig kid.
• 27:33
  He. Loves that.
• 27:34
  Tom is the fetus. What?
• 27:38
  We got the diabetes. What?
• 27:40
  I don't think so. I don't think so.
• 27:44
  Tom is like a tough to get onto discord.
• 27:47
  He just. It's just summer.
• 27:49
  He likes to. Say Roddy Piper sucks and he'll
• 27:53
  show up. It's.
• 27:54
  Like he'll show. Bloody Mary, you know that?
• 27:57
  Yeah, he do Bloody Mary three times in the mirror, Tom, you
• 27:59
  know. Tom showed up on the Discord
• 28:01
  just to ask what the Hell's sugar?
• 28:03
  Free wine. He put down Facebook and hopped
• 28:08
  on Discord. This is very.
• 28:10
  True. Listening to the podcast,
• 28:12
  obviously, yeah, we. Appreciate it every wait a
• 28:14
  second every week man, every episode.
• 28:16
  We appreciate it very much. No offense Tom, I imagine you
• 28:19
  vlogging on the discord like the classic Shawn Michaels meme
• 28:22
  where you can feel like 2 fingers.
• 28:28
  Oh. God, all right, now he's going
• 28:31
  on the discord. Yeah, now, yeah, he's coming for
• 28:34
  you. Our.
• 28:34
  Next match on Fig guys. Every Tuesday night.
• 28:37
  There's our cheap cheers there, Yeah.
• 28:39
  Our our next match is. Wait, three stars from Meltzer
• 28:42
  on that previous match? Apologies, that's the highest
• 28:45
  rating so far, right? Definitely far.
• 28:48
  To me it's the match of the night, but.
• 28:50
  Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I agree.
• 28:52
  Rock versus Undertaker, this is a match that on paper I have 0
• 28:57
  interest in. I just, it's, I don't know.
• 29:01
  I don't know. It's a weird match up but it it
• 29:03
  goes 8 minutes and 24 seconds. You have said previously and
• 29:08
  made it no, you know, no qualms about you not being an
• 29:11
  undertaker guy. But there's something about the
• 29:14
  the, the time that the camera stayed on that skull and the
• 29:17
  entrance and the torches and then you hear this bad ass
• 29:20
  undertaker music hit and then you're just waiting for him to
• 29:23
  walk out and him and Paul Bearer walking out.
• 29:25
  There was something that was just, I agree about that it that
• 29:29
  intro and that just entrance was really, really cool to me.
• 29:33
  And I like you said, it's weird. Like I, I like that it is like a
• 29:37
  kind of a unique. Matchup for like the attitude
• 29:39
  era, like these guys don't off haven't often they you never
• 29:43
  think of rock and the undertaker, so not at all head
• 29:45
  to But this matchup, I feel like you, you rarely saw an Attitude
• 29:57
  Era. But again, it's a lot of like,
• 30:02
  you know, brawling back and forth.
• 30:04
  Rock delivers a Samoan drop. The two of them lay motionless
• 30:09
  on the mat. Big Boss Man suddenly reappears.
• 30:12
  Boss Man is like this guy. Now he appears.
• 30:15
  I want to know what his paycheck must have looked like, because
• 30:19
  we talk about like the Final Four boss man's like the next
• 30:24
  wrestler up, you know, like he's clearly #5 in this whole
• 30:28
  storyline outside of the Mcmahons.
• 30:30
  As an impact player, yeah. Yeah, so.
• 30:34
  And just think he missed his biggest spot too.
• 30:35
  Just imagine what it would have been.
• 30:37
  Oh my God, knowing that now, which I had no clue of until
• 30:41
  Matt just told us I I'm fortunate that he missed that
• 30:43
  because that really would he ties it all together big time
• 30:47
  and and. Kind of like nickel.
• 30:49
  Six other spots. Yeah, but he's like nickel and
• 30:51
  diming it, you know it's not. He's like grab was he grab a leg
• 30:54
  here? You know he does a little that
• 30:56
  there. Where?
• 30:57
  Chair shot right. I do like at one point rock Rock
• 31:03
  sits up like the undertaker. He stands up in typical like
• 31:06
  rock fashion where he's got the animated expression stands up,
• 31:10
  signals to fall, you big fat piece of shit, loud enough that
• 31:14
  the mic picks it up. And he like does like the like
• 31:17
  illustrates like his big belly. And it's it's I.
• 31:21
  I thoroughly enjoyed that Percy. Pringle, Percy Pringle making
• 31:26
  faces. This is why I love the rock back
• 31:27
  then. Fantastic.
• 31:30
  Oh God. So rock goes for the the
• 31:32
  People's Elbow, but Undertaker, pardon, sorry, Paul Bearer stops
• 31:38
  him by grabbing at his foot, allowing the Undertaker to take
• 31:41
  the rock down. As Undertaker set up the rock
• 31:44
  for a chokeslam, suddenly we get more interference and it's Kane
• 31:48
  climbing in the ring. Undertaker throws the rock into
• 31:51
  Kane's hands. Kane delivers a chokeslam,
• 31:54
  allowing The Rock to win via disqualification.
• 31:57
  Well, I guess we're doing DQS now.
• 31:58
  Yes, yeah, right. Suddenly.
• 32:03
  Earlier in the match, even King is talking about how, you know,
• 32:06
  what would happen if they get counted out here and, you know,
• 32:10
  they say that Mankind would become champion.
• 32:12
  And it's just so bizarre that they now are going all right.
• 32:15
  Cool DQ. Yeah, this is like goes back to
• 32:19
  what Jim was saying. It's like there's so many parts
• 32:22
  of the storytelling that I feel like they got right, but little,
• 32:26
  little things like this piss me off.
• 32:28
  Watching this back and maybe in the moment I didn't pick up on
• 32:31
  it as much, but. We all together, Oh my God,
• 32:35
  there's no like legitimacy, like there's nothing legit happening.
• 32:38
  Like it's all it's got one called Russo Prop and all of it.
• 32:44
  I mean, it's it's his magnum opus is kind of what he calls
• 32:47
  it. And like him being behind it
• 32:48
  all. But like the the action, the
• 32:51
  majority of the action during this entire card, and especially
• 32:54
  the back half happens outside the ring.
• 32:56
  And it just feels like they're coming back in to try to go for
• 32:59
  a pin and then they head right back out again.
• 33:01
  And this match was no different than the Austin mankind one
• 33:04
  previous to that. And surprise surprise, the same
• 33:07
  thing happens in the main event. Yeah, I think, well, I'll save
• 33:12
  it for when we give our cans in the cooler.
• 33:14
  I'll I'll save that my my input. But we're ready to move on to
• 33:18
  our next match, our second non tournament match of the night.
• 33:22
  Three quarter star from. Wow.
• 33:25
  Three quarter that's yeah, three quarter of a star A.
• 33:27
  Little harsh I think. Pritchard also said that
• 33:31
  Undertaker was banged up during this too, so he was limited
• 33:33
  throughout the match. But you don't see it or notice
• 33:37
  it if you're watching with a blind eye.
• 33:39
  I wonder, like if I really wonder, maybe not.
• 33:44
  I I wonder where Triple H would have, how he would have played
• 33:48
  into this whole tournament had he been healthy.
• 33:51
  You know what I mean? Like, would, would Taker and and
• 33:54
  Kane have eliminated each other, especially if Undertaker was
• 33:57
  really banged up? And would this been a chance for
• 34:00
  them to elevate Triple H at all at this point?
• 34:03
  Or was it too soon? I I don't know.
• 34:06
  I feel like I feel like he would be paired with the Rock.
• 34:09
  I feel like he would Triple H would have been in the
• 34:12
  Undertaker spot right here. Exactly what you were saying,
• 34:14
  Kane, Undertaker eliminating themselves in some way, shape or
• 34:19
  form. But having that, you know,
• 34:21
  rivalry already and you know, Triple H and the Rock have faced
• 34:24
  off in the past and the chemistry was there.
• 34:26
  I guarantee you that they would have paired them again in the
• 34:29
  final four would have been my guess.
• 34:30
  But maybe Triple H doesn't have the star power at that point,
• 34:33
  and maybe that's the other side. Maybe I'm thinking of it with,
• 34:37
  you know, rose colored. You know what we know about you
• 34:41
  know, Mr. Trips. All right, our next match is a
• 34:45
  is A tag team match. It's the New Age Outlaws who are
• 34:48
  the tag team champions, facing off against D Lo Brown and Mark
• 34:51
  Henry and the Headbangers. Nice.
• 34:54
  Triple threat match for the WWF Tag Team Championship.
• 34:58
  It goes 10 minutes and 10 seconds and I can tell you
• 35:01
  before I even started watching this match, I absolutely hate
• 35:04
  the idea of a triple threat tag team match.
• 35:09
  Doesn't. Mean I can tell you.
• 35:11
  I I'm not going to talk about this one.
• 35:13
  I can't tell you how many times Jr. said how unorthodox this
• 35:19
  match was, which means basically means it sucks.
• 35:22
  Yeah. This is and he was.
• 35:24
  Like. We could take a piss break
• 35:25
  during this piss break. So we you guys want to take a
• 35:28
  piss? Do you want to know how much of
• 35:31
  an attitude era this pay-per-view is during the new
• 35:33
  age Outlaws like whole shtick. They cut to that woman with a
• 35:37
  sign and it says I'll suck yours if you suck mine like that.
• 35:42
  That is that is the time that we're in.
• 35:44
  And then right after that, as as as the the headbangers come down
• 35:52
  to the ring, they cut to the only Thrasher fan in in all of
• 35:57
  the world, and it's a woman in the crowd with an airbrushed
• 36:00
  Thrasher shirt on the New Jersey license plate that says Thrasher
• 36:05
  on it. This Thrasher.
• 36:08
  Should be. I I might be the replica of that
• 36:10
  shirt. Thrasher should be terrified for
• 36:13
  his life if he saw this woman. Thrasher Stalker I didn't know
• 36:16
  that those kind of things existed.
• 36:18
  Thrasher. What a name.
• 36:20
  After after those two come out, we get a as Jr. which I this I
• 36:24
  thought was very interesting throughout this pay-per-view and
• 36:28
  we play this game a lot and we haven't played it so much on
• 36:32
  this card because Jr. has done it throughout the night.
• 36:35
  He's constantly telling us how old a lot of these guys are.
• 36:38
  I don't know if you picked up on that.
• 36:40
  He tells us that Mark Henry and DLO are respectively 26 and 27
• 36:45
  years old during this time. Yeah, earlier in the card he
• 36:49
  referenced someone being 30, I forget who.
• 36:51
  In Part 1. We talked about it, but I I
• 36:54
  thought that was interesting that they're constantly going
• 36:56
  over that stuff. Yeah, definitely Delo and Mark
• 37:00
  Henry's music. The nation of domination.
• 37:02
  Like, oh, man. So don't want to call it remix.
• 37:05
  Yeah, it's really good, right? Sorry, Matt, go ahead.
• 37:09
  No, I was going to say, I'm surprised that you didn't talk
• 37:11
  about that massive sign that they showed during the New Age
• 37:14
  Outlaws entrance. It was like.
• 37:16
  Oh yeah, yeah. Looks like yes.
• 37:18
  Oh, huge. Stencils spray painted onto
• 37:21
  vinyl but it took up like 3 entire rows and it was the
• 37:25
  entire shtick of the ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,
• 37:28
  children of all ages. It was like everything at word
• 37:31
  for word. And imagine each each each
• 37:34
  letter printed out on an individual 8 1/2 by 11 sheet of
• 37:38
  paper. But that's what the sign looked
• 37:40
  like. A lot of.
• 37:43
  Ages. Maybe you're right.
• 37:44
  It looked like spray painted stencils because you can see
• 37:47
  like the letters like yeah, on a stencil you have to have two
• 37:51
  lines that. Yeah.
• 37:53
  So they worked a little too hard.
• 37:55
  They didn't have a printer. No, yeah, I think it was just
• 37:58
  these long vinyl banners that they were literally spray
• 38:01
  painting word for word. Imagine how long that thing
• 38:03
  took. Oh my God, it's really 3 rows.
• 38:06
  It's not just, it's gonna. Get on TV, damn it.
• 38:08
  Yeah, you know, it started with someone was like, I got a good
• 38:10
  idea. But it was impressive.
• 38:14
  It was very impressive. I have no clue what happened in
• 38:17
  this match. The triple threat tag team match
• 38:21
  makes zero sense. There's three guys in the ring
• 38:23
  at a time. And Jr. says you like and you
• 38:26
  can't pin your partner in the beginning.
• 38:28
  Like what? Like what?
• 38:29
  Tag your partner No pin your no your opinion.
• 38:32
  You're correct. You're correct.
• 38:33
  Can't pin. Your why would you want to do
• 38:35
  that? Yeah.
• 38:36
  Because you would win. That's smart.
• 38:38
  That's stupid. So.
• 38:40
  Jim and I, they shouldn't even bring that to the table.
• 38:43
  Jim and I are A tag team. Mike and Nick are A tag team.
• 38:45
  Mike tags and Jim, for whatever reason, and then I, and then I
• 38:48
  pinned Jim 123 and it's over. We win, right?
• 38:50
  Stupid. Terrible and loose.
• 38:52
  I have in my notes Do we have to talk about this match because I
• 38:55
  hated it so much. Let's talk about the headbangers
• 38:57
  a little. Go go ahead, Mike.
• 38:59
  You go first. I was gonna say, we can't move
• 39:01
  on without talking about the bad ass Billy guns.
• 39:05
  Try Yeah, the end you're talking about I.
• 39:09
  No, the end like the lips on the.
• 39:10
  Manta ray? No, no, it's a manta ray eyes or
• 39:13
  something. And lips, Lips there's.
• 39:17
  No way it slips it's eyes. No, he has eyes on his ass
• 39:21
  cheeks it. Seems stranger that he would
• 39:24
  have manta ray eyes than lips. It's.
• 39:29
  The It's a set of lips. On each cheek.
• 39:31
  I can't even. I literally have it on my screen
• 39:33
  and I can't screenshot it right now because.
• 39:35
  He was flesh colored and it looks like he's wearing ashless
• 39:38
  chaps. I'm going to take a picture of
• 39:42
  my of of my phone right now as I have it up and it is manta ray
• 39:48
  eyes for sure. I, I I.
• 39:54
  You know he would have lips on his on his gear previously and.
• 39:58
  Then there's just no. Line the the the inside of the
• 40:02
  lips were cut out and it was like a sheer like Lacy kind of
• 40:06
  thing in its way. So his ass cheeks were hanging
• 40:08
  out. And then obviously at the end of
• 40:10
  the match, what Jim didn't want to talk about was after they
• 40:13
  win, he literally pulls his trunks down and he's just shows
• 40:16
  off his thong and his ass to the crowd.
• 40:19
  It's not even a thong, it's like AG string.
• 40:23
  Yeah, I don't know. It's starting to fall down.
• 40:24
  Come. On man the the.
• 40:27
  Other side from hardcam may have seen the whole front, who knows.
• 40:31
  Gross, gross. So if you guys didn't pick up on
• 40:35
  it, Billy Gunn has done nothing in this match whatsoever until
• 40:40
  the end. He jumps on a running mosh to
• 40:43
  land the Famouser and then a pile driver to retain the Tag
• 40:47
  Team Championships with a pinfall victory.
• 40:49
  A. Pile driver was it's 1978 or
• 40:52
  something. Like, I know the pile driver's a
• 40:55
  deadly move, but it's not a finishing maneuver like from
• 40:58
  Mini Gunn in 1999. I'm sorry.
• 41:01
  Or 98. Did you catch that they called
• 41:04
  the The Famouser the Rocker dropper instead?
• 41:07
  I did it. Hadn't been the the famous.
• 41:10
  So I thought that was an interesting thing.
• 41:13
  And then at the very end of the match, after, you know, the New
• 41:15
  Age Outlaws win, Rd. Dogg gets on the mic again and
• 41:18
  he's winded as hell 'cause that was the story of the match, I
• 41:21
  guess is, you know, building up the hot tag for Billy Gunn.
• 41:24
  He's trying to get into the match and you know he's been
• 41:28
  Road Dogg is kind of trapped on the other side, but it is what
• 41:31
  it is. The match was awful in my
• 41:33
  personal, but at the very end, Road Dogg gets the mic and he
• 41:38
  gets cut off like very, very brief thing and then it just
• 41:42
  Peacock shuts it off. And I actually went and I found
• 41:45
  what he said and what got cut off from the, the end of this.
• 41:51
  So it, it didn't age well. So I'll, I'll tell you that
• 41:54
  much, which I'm sure you're not surprised by, but he goes butt
• 41:58
  bangers. Go get your WWF merchandise
• 42:01
  catalog and see if you can't order up a pair of IC belts.
• 42:06
  That's all it was. So maybe it was the butt bangers
• 42:08
  part that they didn't like. But yeah, they're the head
• 42:11
  bangers. Whatever I thought.
• 42:12
  It was a lot worse. I thought it was going to be a
• 42:14
  lot worse. Than that, yeah.
• 42:15
  I was like bracing for impact there.
• 42:17
  I was like, Oh yeah, right, bangers.
• 42:21
  You've said that age poorly, like I feel like the new age
• 42:24
  outlaws are aged like milk, like I I don't do.
• 42:27
  Do they even have a finishing move like the combined?
• 42:31
  I know the famous errors and move right like I can't.
• 42:34
  Do that? I don't think so.
• 42:35
  That's that's terrible, right? Like, come on, guys.
• 42:37
  And then you're there. It is there like the definition
• 42:42
  of cringe, like you take away the catch phrase too that
• 42:46
  everybody like joins in on. Like there not much to.
• 42:51
  No, it's, it's all smoke and mirrors.
• 42:54
  I think with Jesse James's, you know, the shtick and whatever,
• 42:57
  whatever, though more importantly, the headbangers
• 43:00
  think about wait, go ahead. Think about the their two
• 43:03
  gimmicks like right before that too.
• 43:05
  Yeah, rockabilly and. And Jesse?
• 43:08
  Rhodes. Like the singer?
• 43:09
  Yeah, brutal, Brutal. But anyway, headbangers.
• 43:13
  I was so curious that this, I thought it was like, I can't, I
• 43:15
  didn't really remember the headbangers kind of I remember
• 43:18
  them earlier, right? Like I, I feel like they kind of
• 43:21
  fell off this point. So I was like kind of even
• 43:22
  surprised to see them here. But they are at the end of like
• 43:27
  the very end of their original run, like this version of the
• 43:30
  Headbangers. And I want to quote Wikipedia
• 43:33
  one more time because I love to. So right after they're both
• 43:36
  supposed to be in the Royal Rumble, but Thrasher gets
• 43:39
  injured. And that's when Mosh repackaged
• 43:42
  his Beaver cleavage. And then Chaz, he performed in
• 43:45
  singles competition, began having problems with his on
• 43:47
  screen girlfriend. Mariana Kamlos.
• 43:49
  Do you remember this? I don't even know.
• 43:51
  No. Yeah.
• 43:52
  Mariana Kamlos got to look that up.
• 43:54
  So he was kayfabe arrested on an episode of Sunday Night Heat in
• 43:57
  September after Kamlos claims he hit her after Chaz's match on
• 44:00
  October 5th. Glenn Ruth Parentheses Slasher
• 44:03
  show GTV footage of Mariana applying makeup to create the
• 44:06
  effect of wounds. Like, I don't remember any of
• 44:08
  this stuff. This proved her accusations
• 44:11
  false, and the headbanger subsequent subsequently
• 44:13
  reunited. They then took on a gimmick
• 44:15
  where they dressed as the opponents that they feuded with,
• 44:18
  such as the Dudley Boys and Mean St.
• 44:20
  Posse. The duo later turned heel and
• 44:22
  began to dress in drag, which included wearing breast cones.
• 44:25
  That's the end of the Wikipedia note there.
• 44:27
  Wow, it's like I I remember the breast.
• 44:30
  Cones, that's for sure. I remember the breast cones.
• 44:32
  I remember. The gimmick like the the them
• 44:35
  dressing as their opponents. I vaguely I don't I the Chaz
• 44:39
  stuff. I remember him going to Chad's
• 44:41
  first. He was like pissed in kayfabe
• 44:43
  that he was like given the Bieber cleavage thing.
• 44:46
  They had a weird run. I wonder if they like stuck
• 44:47
  around longer, like how they would have interacted with, you
• 44:50
  know, like the Edge and Christian and Dudley boys.
• 44:53
  Like they would have tagged team champions, right?
• 44:55
  Definitely at least one time. Chaz could have been
• 44:58
  intercontinental champ. That's actually how how explain
• 45:03
  yourself. I'm kidding.
• 45:05
  That's just garbage. That's just garbage.
• 45:07
  That's just garbage. Sorry.
• 45:09
  All right, let's move on to our finals.
• 45:12
  Wait, what did Meltzer give that match?
• 45:15
  Oh, Meltzer gave that match a let's see.
• 45:19
  Bear with me here, have it one star.
• 45:21
  Also one star better. Than.
• 45:24
  Better than rock undertaker. He warmed up at the end here,
• 45:28
  you know. So the the New Age Outlaws tag
• 45:33
  finish was the spike pile driver.
• 45:36
  OK. So Billy Gunn hits it.
• 45:40
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 45:40
  Assisted by real dog. That was kind of it.
• 45:42
  Yeah. Whatever.
• 45:43
  Terrible. OK.
• 45:44
  Oh, Mariana Kamlos is the Beaver cleavage missus cleavage.
• 45:49
  We saw her in the one episode from 98 with the the the dark
• 45:54
  wedding in the vignette. Yeah, she's jacked.
• 45:57
  He's a bodybuilder. Yeah, exactly.
• 45:58
  Yeah, interesting. All right, Our finals of this
• 46:03
  tournament for the WWF Championship, we've got The Rock
• 46:08
  facing off against Mankind in a match that goes 17 minutes.
• 46:13
  Mankind is out first in his normal ring gear.
• 46:16
  He's he's got his boots on too, thank God.
• 46:19
  During the Rocks entrance, we go backstage and we see Vince and
• 46:24
  Shane. They've returned.
• 46:25
  They're telling Boss Man that he can have the rest of the night
• 46:27
  off. They want to handle this
• 46:29
  themselves. Before we go any further, can I
• 46:32
  just to say how much I missed the Fink?
• 46:36
  Oh yeah. Who is it here?
• 46:38
  I I don't even notice it to be. Honest.
• 46:40
  It's the Fink. Oh, it is the Fink I.
• 46:43
  Apologize. You're talking about now like
• 46:44
  you wish he was still with us. Yeah, yeah.
• 46:46
  Just like reminiscing, like how good he was like during this,
• 46:50
  like mankind, like it's so good. It does give you the warm and
• 46:56
  fuzzies anytime you hear Fink. No, he's he's the best along
• 47:01
  with the Knicks. Mike, you know the PA guy at the
• 47:04
  Knicks game like those two voices.
• 47:05
  Game two of my favorites ever in any entertainment.
• 47:09
  It's Bob Shepherd for me, the Yankees, the voice of.
• 47:12
  God, that's a good. That's a good one too.
• 47:15
  Can't deny that one. 100%. So Rock's out next.
• 47:20
  They, you know, they feel each other out.
• 47:22
  Jr. lets us know they're they're going to be on the Home Shopping
• 47:26
  Network. Interesting placement for this
• 47:28
  during the finals. I'm like, what is he talking
• 47:31
  about right now and why is he going on about the Home Shopping
• 47:34
  Network? It's a big deal in 90s, yeah.
• 47:37
  Immediately to follow Survivor Series, we're gonna be live on
• 47:40
  the. Home Shopping Network T-shirts
• 47:42
  and all kinds of stuff. Remember, like, if, like this
• 47:46
  team that won the Super Bowl, like you're going right to home
• 47:48
  shopping. Yeah.
• 47:49
  Hell yeah, all their stuff was going right up.
• 47:52
  I did not tune into this to watch Jim Ross on the home
• 47:55
  shipping shopping network. I'm picturing him in like Jr. at
• 47:57
  behind a table, him and King behind a table like push and
• 48:00
  merge. I would be great with Percy
• 48:02
  Pringle. That would be, yeah, that's what
• 48:04
  I'd want. I'm I'm picturing them with wet
• 48:06
  spots on their pants because they've been sitting behind the
• 48:09
  announce desk for four hours and just the pants because they
• 48:12
  couldn't get up to go to the bathroom.
• 48:13
  Yeah. Buy an Undertaker shirt.
• 48:16
  Maybe it's maybe it's just Stew. That's the only guy they have
• 48:19
  left that's has none of the card.
• 48:20
  Yeah, yeah, you can buy this ashtray for 999.
• 48:25
  It's the same one that smashed every that some bitches Bruce
• 48:29
  Hart's head back in 89. You think he was standing you?
• 48:36
  Call your own son, Bruce Hart. Mankind slows the match down
• 48:48
  with a sleeper hold and at this point we get Vince and Shane
• 48:52
  walking down to ringside. By the way, Earl Heppner is the
• 48:58
  the referee for this main event, which obviously will be an
• 49:02
  important part because we are a year removed from the Montreal
• 49:06
  Screw. Mankind grabs a steel chair and
• 49:10
  he's leveled by the Rock. 1st of course, does not disqualify him.
• 49:17
  The first of many chair shots. Yep, he picks up steel steps.
• 49:21
  Not just an item old. Spot picks up steel steps.
• 49:24
  This is all on the outside. He goes to drop him on the rock,
• 49:27
  but rock lands a chair shot onto the steps causing them to drop
• 49:32
  onto mankind. I feel like that's like an
• 49:34
  innovative Spot at the time that like, that had to have been
• 49:38
  Foley's brainchild right there. It feels like fully 100% and I I
• 49:45
  have an audio of not only, you know, rock pounding on the steel
• 49:49
  steps, but Jr. calling that gnarly headshot that happens
• 49:53
  directly afterwards. So I'm going to hit the play.
• 49:55
  Watch yourself, watch it stop. The brains are scrambled again
• 50:00
  over easy and well done. Most brain cells have just got
• 50:06
  to be totally depleted them. Over easy and well done.
• 50:14
  Aren't those like 2 opposite things?
• 50:18
  Like the opposite, complete opposites.
• 50:21
  Maybe that's the point. I don't know.
• 50:22
  This is crazy because this is the beginning of what we're
• 50:25
  going to be seeing. Like I think they they fight for
• 50:28
  the title 7 times in four months or something.
• 50:30
  It is, which is isn't that crazy.
• 50:32
  That's nuts, right? So this is the first one too of
• 50:35
  a classic rivalry, right? So they fight at rock bottom the
• 50:38
  next month. That's the December in your
• 50:40
  house. pay-per-view. I don't think it's in your house
• 50:42
  anymore. The Royal rumbles that I quit
• 50:44
  match. There's halftime heat somewhere
• 50:46
  in there right in the Super Bowl.
• 50:48
  Valentine's Day is last man standing.
• 50:51
  There's a ladder match on Raw not long after.
• 50:54
  Think about that. Those were all like insane
• 50:56
  matches. And this is this is it right
• 50:58
  here in the beginning, which is pretty cool to see.
• 51:02
  You can you can say that Mick Foley is instrumental in
• 51:05
  building The Rock, the biggest, absolutely the biggest superstar
• 51:09
  to come out of wrestling. And I'm not just saying like
• 51:12
  Austin Hogan, but we're not talking Mount Rushmore shit.
• 51:16
  We're talking like he is on top of the world.
• 51:18
  Every single MF in the world knows who Dwayne Johnson is and
• 51:23
  Mankind is influential in building that guy.
• 51:26
  That's exactly why I brought up that point.
• 51:28
  I was going to save that for the end, all that stuff.
• 51:30
  But you saying, you know, that spot outside, you know, was like
• 51:35
  Mick Foley got to be constructing that behind the
• 51:37
  scenes or setting that up or like to your point that's he's
• 51:41
  making blowing this guy up and like Rock was ready to go and
• 51:44
  like to have this kind of partner who was will do these
• 51:47
  insane things and is that smart in the ring?
• 51:51
  It's kind of it's electric to watch, right?
• 51:53
  Oh yeah. I I think Mick Foley and
• 51:57
  Mankind, we've, we're approaching 200 episodes of
• 52:00
  this. I think Mankind, Mick Foley is
• 52:04
  the only wrestler that we've covered excessively and like
• 52:08
  never had a bad thing to say about.
• 52:10
  It like he. Is going to be our most beloved
• 52:13
  like wrestler that we've. Ever covered?
• 52:15
  On this show. He's on our show around Rush.
• 52:18
  Matt Rushmore, he. Absolutely has to be.
• 52:22
  Yeah, I think I was the only one that put him in the the top ten
• 52:25
  of the superstars list back in whatever episode that was.
• 52:28
  So. So yeah, suck on that.
• 52:33
  So Rock, this match just continues to get dirtier and
• 52:37
  dirtier as we go on. There's Mankind starts
• 52:42
  delivering low blows to the Rock, follows it up by biting
• 52:45
  the Rock's face. Again, referee not doing
• 52:47
  anything, they crawl outside to escape the biting, but Mankind
• 52:51
  follows him, pushes him on to the announce table, continues to
• 52:54
  bite him and lands a leg drop on towel.
• 52:57
  J Rs really selling this whole thing like at at at the table,
• 53:01
  like get him off, get him off, get these two back in the ring.
• 53:05
  Reminder that mankind is the frozen corporate champion here.
• 53:12
  Yep, he just splat and there's one spot, right?
• 53:16
  So Jr. is talking about the rock and he says he just splat all
• 53:22
  over the floor and left a sweaty spot.
• 53:27
  Very interesting for such an intricate man who usually does
• 53:32
  such a good job. But.
• 53:34
  Yeah, I know you don't ever see many Jr. fumbles there.
• 53:37
  Right. And he left a sweaty spot, man.
• 53:42
  This guy's one later, which we'll get to as well.
• 53:45
  He stumbles over his words, which is very funny to hear.
• 53:48
  Mankind tries to elbow drop from the second rope that ends up
• 53:52
  going through the Spanish and Oz table all on his own rocks using
• 53:59
  bits and pieces of the table on Mankind.
• 54:03
  This this match is just like chaos and it's 17 minutes of
• 54:07
  chaos and I am enjoying it thus far even though I know the
• 54:12
  direction that we're headed. What top that?
• 54:18
  They mankind finally takes out Mr. Sacco which is like just
• 54:24
  looks absolutely filthy. He stuffs it in the rock's mouth
• 54:28
  from the mandible claw. Rock nearly passes out due to
• 54:31
  the the like smell of it I'm assuming.
• 54:36
  And then he, he withstands the sock and jumps it in and pops it
• 54:39
  into a rock bottom. Rock then like the crowd is
• 54:45
  going back and forth at this point, right?
• 54:47
  I feel like they don't know what they want.
• 54:51
  It ends so abruptly. Rock then pops up, grabs
• 54:55
  Mankind's legs, puts him in the Sharpshooter, uses the top rope
• 54:59
  for leverage, and instantly Vince goes over and has them
• 55:04
  ring the bell. And he gives the He gives the
• 55:06
  eyebrow first, though, right? He gives the big exaggerated
• 55:10
  eyebrow to. To Vince to.
• 55:12
  His yes to Vince and McMahon's outside.
• 55:15
  And then they they're referencing the Montreal
• 55:17
  Screwjob at this point and nobody submitted.
• 55:21
  It's quicker than the Montreal Screwjob.
• 55:24
  It's like it's so over the top how fast it is.
• 55:27
  He orders the ref to ring the bell, awards victory and the WWF
• 55:31
  Championship to The Rock. I don't remember this happening
• 55:37
  so fast, as fast as it did. After the match, Vince and Shane
• 55:42
  come into the ring and Vince tells the audience, You have the
• 55:45
  audio for this. I believe right that.
• 55:48
  I do you want to hear it? Yes, please.
• 55:51
  You can believe that Vince McMahon didn't screw the people
• 55:55
  tonight. The people screwed the people.
• 56:00
  These fans are star. You can also.
• 56:03
  You can also believe that each and everyone of you are just as
• 56:07
  pathetic and gullible as Mankind.
• 56:13
  Whoa. Vince tells the audience that
• 56:18
  and then he says how he successfully screwed Steve
• 56:20
  Austin, Mankind and the people, right?
• 56:23
  And Mankind comes in. He asks for an explanation and
• 56:27
  Rock delivers another Rock Bottom as the three of them are
• 56:30
  celebrating Rock and the Mcmahons and they introduce us
• 56:34
  to the Corporate Champion. The crowd is like thrown off.
• 56:38
  Throughout this you get a rare like soda or beer thrown into
• 56:42
  the ring which is not normal for AWWF.
• 56:45
  Show awesome. Cheers a lot of.
• 56:49
  Booths Austin's returned to the arena, he runs the ring, he's
• 56:54
  met with a beating from the rock that eventually fought back.
• 56:57
  Tossing the Rock out of the ring, grabs the belt, throws it
• 57:00
  at the Rock, gives a stunner to mankind and typical Stone Cold
• 57:05
  Faction as the pay-per-view ends.
• 57:08
  I couldn't believe that they didn't hit the glass shattering
• 57:12
  when Austin shows up. Like he just nonchalantly walks
• 57:16
  out and the crowd like starts to react as they start to see him
• 57:21
  just standing there and it felt like they just hadn't figured
• 57:24
  out how important the glass shattering really is to attitude
• 57:28
  era or Steve. Austin that would have been a
• 57:29
  pop and 1/2. Imagine that.
• 57:31
  Imagine that exactly where I was going, Mike.
• 57:33
  Like, imagine if you actually got that glass shattering and
• 57:37
  you got the immense eruption because right here the crowd is
• 57:41
  looking for something to cheer and obviously it's not the Rock,
• 57:45
  it's not Mankind, it's it's Austin.
• 57:47
  But Austin just just appears it was very.
• 57:51
  Strange, you get that pop about like a month and a half later
• 57:56
  when Mick beats The Rock for the title.
• 58:01
  You know the classic, the butts in the seats that WCW spoiled
• 58:05
  there. What?
• 58:08
  All right, so let's forget about I don't know.
• 58:11
  I'm I'm torn where you want to go with this with cans and the
• 58:13
  cooler, Because let's give the whole tournament, not not the
• 58:19
  whole. I guess we could give the whole
• 58:20
  card, I mean the whole tournament, the.
• 58:22
  You don't want to rate those other two included.
• 58:25
  What did what? What actually what did?
• 58:28
  What's his face? The whole Starboy give this.
• 58:31
  He gave this match. What do you think?
• 58:33
  Take a guess. I'm going to go 1 1/4. 3 1/2
• 58:36
  that much 3. And a half.
• 58:39
  Really. Wow.
• 58:40
  Yeah. He was hard to judge.
• 58:42
  This match, I think it comes off before we get to the whole
• 58:46
  rating. I think it it's pretty great for
• 58:49
  the most part, right, and you see like the potential of where
• 58:52
  it goes. Obviously, I think it's at its
• 58:54
  best when Foley's going. He's like feeling it right, Like
• 58:57
  he's like doing a like doing a double armed DDDDTS there, all
• 59:02
  that stuff, this Mr. Sacco thing.
• 59:04
  But I think it's like right there.
• 59:05
  It's like why? I don't know, the writing just
• 59:08
  bothers me so much. Like I agree he's giving he's
• 59:11
  got the mandible call in. Wouldn't the Mcmahons get
• 59:13
  involved there? I don't understand like right,
• 59:17
  why they don't do anything? Like, I don't know, some of that
• 59:19
  stuff just bothers me a lot. Like Hepburn in the bag too,
• 59:22
  maybe? Maybe, but then the the
• 59:24
  eyebrows, the eyebrows funny, but like then the sharpshooter,
• 59:28
  it's like very like in your face like, ha ha.
• 59:31
  We can do this. Yeah, it's.
• 59:32
  Like I think it's, I think that's the problem.
• 59:34
  I the match is 17 minutes and I really enjoyed the match itself.
• 59:38
  Yeah. The ending, and I know we say
• 59:41
  this so much on this show and the ending felt like so abrupt.
• 59:46
  It almost felt felt like like they planned everything in the
• 59:51
  match right and went through stuff, but they didn't go over
• 59:55
  the ending and like they weren't on the same page for the ending.
• 1:00:00
  Because I can remember in the moment as I watched this back,
• 1:00:04
  like obviously we watched this pay-per-view as homework.
• 1:00:08
  As I'm watching the ending unfold, I'm like, Oh my God, I
• 1:00:11
  remember watching this in high school and I remember hating it.
• 1:00:15
  Like, and I'm someone who even in high school, I was always all
• 1:00:19
  for the heels. Like I've always been drawn to
• 1:00:22
  the heels and and end of a turn. I love a turn Who?
• 1:00:26
  Doesn't love it. Did you hate it?
• 1:00:27
  Did you want Foley to win? Do you remember like?
• 1:00:29
  I just remember not liking the ending back then and I still
• 1:00:33
  don't like it. I think it's sloppy.
• 1:00:35
  I think it's very quick. I, I just, I, I don't know,
• 1:00:39
  there's something about it they don't let, like, they don't give
• 1:00:43
  The Rock enough time to like, get that heat on him at the end
• 1:00:48
  before Austin comes out. I don't know.
• 1:00:51
  It's always I think there the problem is the writing and it's
• 1:00:54
  like Vince Russo, he's like thinks he's more clever than he
• 1:00:57
  is and he it just that cleverness or so-called
• 1:01:01
  cleverness gets in the way of what is this is a good match,
• 1:01:06
  right? Like and it just kind of ruins
• 1:01:08
  it there. I think I hear you that.
• 1:01:11
  Was that was like Russo's way of selling it to Vince?
• 1:01:15
  Being like, listen to my idea. It's going to be great.
• 1:01:18
  Listen. Bro, we're going to have, you're
• 1:01:20
  going to be able to take a shot at Brett Hall, right?
• 1:01:24
  Right I I served that speaking right to his ego too.
• 1:01:27
  Like, he probably loved that Like.
• 1:01:29
  It's a year removed and then they're going back to as well
• 1:01:33
  and they're doing the same thing again and.
• 1:01:35
  Is it like a meta version of it? It's a meta version, right?
• 1:01:38
  I mean. Inside baseball at this point,
• 1:01:40
  is it like, I mean, I didn't know 97 that he's screwing Bret
• 1:01:45
  Hart and obviously what comes after that and you know, Mr.
• 1:01:48
  McMahon becoming a character, but it feels like is.
• 1:01:51
  Wrestling with shadows even out at this point I don't even know.
• 1:01:53
  Like so it feels. Low brow, like stupid shit that
• 1:01:59
  you could have avoided and there's no reason to do it
• 1:02:01
  because you just had this amazing tournament and then,
• 1:02:05
  well, I guess amazing is giving it too much credit.
• 1:02:07
  But you have this long ass tournament throughout the entire
• 1:02:10
  evening and it's going to end on a joke and a hit towards Bret
• 1:02:15
  Hart, who's not even at your company.
• 1:02:17
  Like I just, I don't. Understand.
• 1:02:19
  And I think, I think my problem with it on top of the ending is,
• 1:02:23
  and maybe I'm too trained by like modern day and stuff that
• 1:02:27
  they've done after this, the whole portion with Vince
• 1:02:30
  grabbing the mic afterwards, it feels totally unnecessary.
• 1:02:34
  Like that's the kind of thing that I want to see on like Raw
• 1:02:37
  the next night. I don't want to see him get on
• 1:02:39
  the mic and explain himself that he screwed the crowd like.
• 1:02:44
  He's utterly, utterly and tauterly.
• 1:02:46
  That's those His. Yeah.
• 1:02:48
  Like we don't you're, you're, you're telling us that you
• 1:02:50
  screwed us. It's just, it seems so
• 1:02:53
  unnecessary and so extra at the end of this.
• 1:02:56
  It's, I don't know, I think it's.
• 1:02:58
  It spoils a lot of it. It's Vince.
• 1:03:00
  It's got to be about him at this point, right?
• 1:03:02
  Like. That's what this that's what
• 1:03:03
  this feels like. And obviously that's the story
• 1:03:05
  throughout the evening. But it's Vince screwing Austin
• 1:03:08
  inevitably. And then of course the corporate
• 1:03:10
  champion and all that shit. But like, it just feels like
• 1:03:14
  it's out of turn. I don't know, it just it doesn't
• 1:03:17
  land like Russo wants it to land.
• 1:03:20
  And just real quick, Wrestling With Shadows released on
• 1:03:23
  December 20th, 1998. So it was.
• 1:03:26
  Not out right after this, it's right after.
• 1:03:27
  This. Interesting.
• 1:03:30
  Yeah. So yeah.
• 1:03:32
  So let's give and you can include the ending.
• 1:03:35
  Give the whole thing the whole Survivor Series 1998 cans in the
• 1:03:39
  cooler. Who's going first?
• 1:03:42
  Shy. Shy go there's.
• 1:03:43
  A very few times where I sit back and I'm like, I wish we
• 1:03:47
  didn't watch that. There's very few times.
• 1:03:49
  Maybe the Hacksaw Jim Duggan episode where we that may be the
• 1:03:53
  only episode. You weren't even on that one,
• 1:03:57
  Jim. Oh yeah, damn, I missed that
• 1:04:00
  one. That's the only one where I was
• 1:04:01
  like, oh man, I really regret doing that.
• 1:04:03
  But this even saying that like there this isn't that low where
• 1:04:08
  it goes to that point, but I feel like maybe 3 cans in the
• 1:04:12
  cooler is me being generous to this entire card.
• 1:04:15
  Like it's it's arduous task to get through the first half.
• 1:04:19
  And I talked about that in the first part of like it was really
• 1:04:22
  tough to watch some of these short matches.
• 1:04:24
  The big boss man, who we just heaped praise on in the 1998 raw
• 1:04:28
  episode and being such an unsung hero.
• 1:04:31
  And I guess you can kind of say the same thing here.
• 1:04:33
  The boss man is an unsung hero of the night, and he's not even
• 1:04:36
  there at the end, even with the botch that we learned from
• 1:04:38
  Pritchard. But I'm going to go with cans
• 1:04:41
  and the cooler of three. I, I, I don't know why it said
• 1:04:43
  it that way, Three cans and the cooler, because I just, I don't
• 1:04:47
  know, man. It was tough to get through, but
• 1:04:49
  there's so much history in this card too, and Jim even brought
• 1:04:53
  more light to it with the Mankind and and Rock stuff that
• 1:04:57
  I didn't even think of. I was thinking about how this is
• 1:04:59
  a crash course for Austin, turning The Rock into a main
• 1:05:03
  event star because they're on a crash course for WrestleMania 15
• 1:05:08
  where they're going to face off in the main event and you're
• 1:05:09
  bringing The Rock from the mid card guy who was battling with
• 1:05:13
  Triple H and, and through that and now he's the corporate
• 1:05:15
  champion. And I don't know, there's so
• 1:05:17
  much attitude in history that it's sitting at a three for me.
• 1:05:21
  But I still think it's generous for what we watched action wise
• 1:05:24
  throughout the match or throughout the evening.
• 1:05:26
  Yeah, I, I'm, I was coming in at 2.5 and you swayed me to say 2
• 1:05:32
  actually because I think 2.5 is too generous.
• 1:05:35
  The only like redeeming value in this for me is that you got the
• 1:05:39
  through line of rock kind of finishing his circuit with
• 1:05:43
  Shamrock and then launching into this thing with Mankind, which
• 1:05:47
  someone, I I read someone, I was going to say his name because
• 1:05:50
  there was a good point. Connor Odell, the fight forever
• 1:05:53
  feature some some website. You can Google that you'll find
• 1:05:55
  it. But he says this is the feud
• 1:05:57
  that sealed the Monday Night Wars for WWE, and that's Mankind
• 1:06:02
  and and The Rock, of course. But but that's the Yeah, I
• 1:06:06
  thought that was kind of interesting, like an
• 1:06:07
  interesting. I love the levity that you're
• 1:06:09
  adding to the importance of mankind and rock.
• 1:06:12
  It makes me want to go back and like revisit more.
• 1:06:14
  And we do have a 90. Seven, I mean seven matches in
• 1:06:17
  four months is pretty wild. Like halftime heat, like and
• 1:06:20
  probably WF at its apex. Aside from everybody watching
• 1:06:24
  the the halftime heat, it's the Super Bowl.
• 1:06:27
  It was the IT was the halftime. But but yeah, but the whole
• 1:06:30
  event though, oh man, everything just feels like filler except
• 1:06:34
  for a couple of decent matches. It's a 2 card match.
• 1:06:38
  It's a two match card. Excuse me.
• 1:06:40
  It's Mankind. Mankind in Austin.
• 1:06:42
  Mankind in rock. That's Fast forward.
• 1:06:44
  Fast kind of the MVP of this thing, no?
• 1:06:46
  Yeah. Him and boss man.
• 1:06:48
  Yeah, Mike, what do you mean? So I mean, has there ever been
• 1:06:57
  such, such a oh, pay-per-view is like anomalous?
• 1:07:04
  I feel like a lot of people regard it very highly looking
• 1:07:08
  back, but like the people looking back at it so fondly yet
• 1:07:17
  the wrestling is actually dog shit.
• 1:07:19
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:07:21
  Like it's like a oxymoron, kind of like, I don't know, what
• 1:07:25
  would you say like about that? It's, yeah, it's, let me think
• 1:07:30
  on it, you continue your point. So yeah, I know exactly what
• 1:07:33
  you're saying. I think the story of this whole
• 1:07:37
  event and it's been kind of like building for like the whole
• 1:07:43
  several months. I think the story is phenomenal.
• 1:07:47
  I think, yeah, the whole story of like the whole tournament,
• 1:07:51
  this, everything is like coming together.
• 1:07:54
  All these guys having feuds, like even like Al Snow and like
• 1:07:58
  Jeff Jarrett had a feud and like they're like finishing their
• 1:08:01
  thing and he's got the Socko wrapped around head, you know,
• 1:08:07
  like a lot of like little things, like the story wise, I
• 1:08:11
  think I would give the story wise the pay-per-view of 55 cans
• 1:08:17
  in the cooler. But you know, it's not just all
• 1:08:22
  story. No, yes.
• 1:08:25
  So, you know, allow all that other stuff kind of brings it
• 1:08:28
  down a little bit. But I think total I would give
• 1:08:34
  it 4 cans in the cooler. That's my.
• 1:08:37
  That's my. He's a you forget he's a big
• 1:08:40
  rock guy especially. I was I I enjoyed the him
• 1:08:45
  turning heel too back then. I bet, yeah.
• 1:08:47
  I loved the heels and I loved the rock and like, I was like
• 1:08:50
  all about it. I.
• 1:08:51
  He was going all face like hotshot face.
• 1:08:54
  Yeah, I was like, man, I didn't. I didn't love that.
• 1:08:57
  That part where he was like. I think you.
• 1:09:00
  I think you, you have a really good point.
• 1:09:03
  I think the story of this thing had so much potential to be like
• 1:09:09
  I I think unfortunately you had a dope writing the story and
• 1:09:13
  like someone, someone had a really good idea, let's say, and
• 1:09:17
  I'm sure it was Vince Russo and they, it's like someone said,
• 1:09:20
  here's a story idea, go write it.
• 1:09:23
  And they gave it to Vince Russo and he wrote it.
• 1:09:26
  And it's not as good as it could have been if a better writer
• 1:09:31
  were to have had his hand on it. You know what?
• 1:09:33
  I. Mean like I wrote something and
• 1:09:35
  then like Jim's there like. No, but no, no, no.
• 1:09:40
  Like I know exactly what you're saying.
• 1:09:42
  He didn't like it's just him. It feels like there's no team
• 1:09:44
  involved. There's a lot of holes in the
• 1:09:46
  story. That's a great idea.
• 1:09:47
  Let me help you flesh that out. Right, right.
• 1:09:50
  It's like he need would have benefited from, you know that a
• 1:09:52
  lot of people shit all over wrestling, especially WWFWWE in
• 1:09:58
  more recent years, how they have a whole writing team and stuff.
• 1:10:02
  But Vince Russo could. Have benefited yes 100%.
• 1:10:05
  I think the the intertwined story throughout the card and
• 1:10:09
  like you said the build I think could have worked and it could
• 1:10:12
  have been a 55 can story. The delivery I don't think I
• 1:10:17
  think the ending is sloppy as all hell.
• 1:10:20
  Originally I had it at 3. Matt and Jim started to talk me
• 1:10:24
  down to a 2 1/2. Then Mike brought me back in
• 1:10:27
  again because I remembered that the story I am all thrown off
• 1:10:30
  right now so I'm staying with my original rating of I do.
• 1:10:34
  I do think again as I watched it I was like this story has even I
• 1:10:38
  don't think I've ever rewatched this pay-per-view growing up.
• 1:10:41
  I think I watched it one and done.
• 1:10:44
  I had it on tape from Coliseum Video.
• 1:10:45
  Whatever, like the yeah yeah Yeah edition was at that point.
• 1:10:49
  I think again, there was so much potential to it, but as I
• 1:10:53
  watched it back too, I it also made me think like Survivor
• 1:10:58
  Series is clearly the worst of the big four pay per views like
• 1:11:03
  there is outside of the Montreal Screwjob.
• 1:11:06
  Like there is not much like Survivor Series history that is
• 1:11:11
  like significant in my and like, I'm sure someone's going to come
• 1:11:15
  on the Discord and prove me wrong by all means.
• 1:11:18
  No, no, screw you man. I'm going to fall asleep to
• 1:11:21
  Survivors Survivor Series 90 tonight.
• 1:11:23
  Watch my survivor planes matches my palette.
• 1:11:27
  Are overrated. They're fun.
• 1:11:29
  They're fun, but they're wildly overrated.
• 1:11:31
  I would say watching one of those over this card any day of
• 1:11:35
  the week, even the week the weakest Survivor Series 95 with
• 1:11:39
  like, yes, they're the wild card.
• 1:11:41
  The wild card those are. But again, those Survivor Series
• 1:11:45
  matches are fun, but they never did anything to advance any
• 1:11:48
  storylines in my and they never closed out any storylines.
• 1:11:53
  No, titles never changed because they were all like in teams.
• 1:11:58
  Again. You know, it's, come on, it's
• 1:11:59
  Thanksgiving Eve. It's so down.
• 1:12:01
  We don't even need a title changes like let's turn on.
• 1:12:03
  You know, I watch, I love, let's watch the Vipers against the,
• 1:12:07
  you know, the what's, what's Martel's team, the visionaries.
• 1:12:11
  There's the rude. Rude it had again and again.
• 1:12:15
  It is what it is. I I would like to know how many
• 1:12:19
  Thanksgiving Eve Knight's Survivor Series actually aired
• 1:12:22
  on because I think in our head it's more than it actually.
• 1:12:24
  Was I think it was like 3 once or twice too.
• 1:12:26
  It's. Probably 2.
• 1:12:28
  Yeah, take out the pen mat. Sorry.
• 1:12:30
  One more point on this card, you said in the previous episode
• 1:12:34
  that and I agree with you that you hate when and like the king
• 1:12:37
  of the ring would be like just the semifinals, right?
• 1:12:39
  The three matches, I agree with that.
• 1:12:43
  However, this 14 is too many. Like why not?
• 1:12:45
  14 is too many quarterfinals and on Yeah, yeah, it could have
• 1:12:49
  been 8. There's a it's insane.
• 1:12:51
  Like what would we do in here? Yes, yeah, it's too many.
• 1:12:55
  I I agree with it. That was too many.
• 1:12:58
  That's why. That's why you got 2 minute
• 1:13:00
  matches that had. Yes, I think that's why those
• 1:13:03
  matches were every match. Oh yeah, I mean, but it was
• 1:13:06
  arduous task, like I said, to get through the first half
• 1:13:09
  because of that. And sure, I mean, the
• 1:13:12
  storytelling throughout, it was very attitude era.
• 1:13:14
  There's a a through line throughout and it was like fun
• 1:13:18
  to watch everything come together at the end.
• 1:13:20
  And it was one big, you know, nice neat bow at the end.
• 1:13:24
  And even though the the the finish itself was a little wonky
• 1:13:28
  or a little lackluster, I guess is a better word it, I don't
• 1:13:31
  know, it feels like a quintessential Attitude Era
• 1:13:35
  story, and that's a good thing. And I'm glad that Mike heaped
• 1:13:38
  some praise on it from a storyline perspective of being
• 1:13:41
  a. Storyline.
• 1:13:42
  It was fantastic. It's.
• 1:13:43
  It's you know, I guess what what else does there to say?
• 1:13:45
  But it's a deadly game. You know, it's just a deadly
• 1:13:49
  game to. Go back to go back to the
• 1:13:51
  Survivor Series thought after this Survivor Series 1999.
• 1:13:56
  I don't think I could tell you anything of significance that
• 1:13:59
  happened that any other Survivor Series after this.
• 1:14:03
  The Alliance 1 is not bad, right?
• 1:14:05
  But I don't remember what happened was.
• 1:14:07
  The next year, the one that Austin got ran over, I think.
• 1:14:11
  Again, my rikishi. Yeah.
• 1:14:14
  Yeah, don't I don't, I don't recall.
• 1:14:16
  I did it for the Rock. Doesn't Survivor Series doesn't
• 1:14:20
  Michaels have poopy pants in the one?
• 1:14:21
  Like he's got brown pants but they have the Elimination
• 1:14:24
  Chamber. That's 2000.
• 1:14:25
  Two. Yeah, that's what's here at the
• 1:14:27
  garden. I like and you were as a
• 1:14:30
  Survivor Series match hater that you've come out now and and
• 1:14:34
  claim to be this. They're like it's Survivor
• 1:14:36
  Series matches are up there with the Bushwhackers now I feel
• 1:14:39
  like. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:14:41
  no, do not. Do not they're not that bad.
• 1:14:44
  We we got. The 2015 subscribers, That's a
• 1:14:48
  good one. The Sting 1, the debut and one
• 1:14:51
  Survivor Series match that was like the one time match.
• 1:14:55
  They could work one man show on on that.
• 1:14:58
  They work and they're fun, but. They're all, they're all one
• 1:15:00
  offs, pretty. Especially the early.
• 1:15:02
  Ones and again, I hated the ending of this one back in 98
• 1:15:07
  and I still not a fan of the way that they delivered the ending.
• 1:15:11
  It felt cheap and it's like reading a good book and the
• 1:15:15
  whole book's good and then you get to the end and you're like,
• 1:15:17
  oh shit, like that is really how we're going to end this thing or
• 1:15:21
  ATV show. Like how people feel at the end
• 1:15:24
  when the finale sucks. If this work book could have a
• 1:15:26
  lot of typos and like you know, someone's name changes halfway
• 1:15:30
  through. Either way, as per usual and I
• 1:15:35
  hope anybody that's listening feels the way that we feel like
• 1:15:39
  even if we watch crap and when we sit down and talk about crap
• 1:15:44
  it it's fun like and that's that's the end game.
• 1:15:48
  That's why we do this. Podcast and that's why we do
• 1:15:51
  this so hopefully you guys can reminisce and give us some input
• 1:15:55
  on how you felt about the 98 Survivor Series.
• 1:15:59
  So next episode that we dropped for you guys, it actually lines
• 1:16:04
  up right around John Cena's retirement match, and we're
• 1:16:09
  going to be covering John Cena versus JBL in an I quit match.
• 1:16:15
  Matt has been clamoring for this match.
• 1:16:17
  Oh. Yeah, I have.
• 1:16:18
  For years and I've been right there with him because there's,
• 1:16:23
  I think I've already watched it and there's a lot, a lot of fun
• 1:16:26
  stuff, a lot of fun spots. It's going to be a good one.
• 1:16:30
  Don't you feel like Matt, you know, like when a famous person
• 1:16:33
  dies, like the obituaries come out instantly because they have
• 1:16:35
  it written like 10 years in advance.
• 1:16:37
  Just updated it. Matt has all these notes already
• 1:16:40
  like ready to go. No, I think the only match that
• 1:16:44
  I have the notes prepared for is Triple H versus Mankind at Royal
• 1:16:49
  Rumble 2000. Only one that I'm.
• 1:16:52
  Our last episode ever. All right, you were ready to.
• 1:16:56
  Hang. His test is over.
• 1:16:57
  That's what it is. Guys, I can't do this anymore.
• 1:17:00
  Wait, you promised me? I have the the VHS cassette tape
• 1:17:05
  right here on the shelf behind me.
• 1:17:07
  Yeah. Once you can uncover the lost
• 1:17:10
  episode that was recorded and completely lost then.
• 1:17:14
  We rerecorded it. It was like Episode 16.
• 1:17:18
  God damn it, we're at 200 and you're still bringing this?
• 1:17:20
  Shit I feel like that episode was 5% a sable entrance to you.
• 1:17:27
  Very. Like 5 snaps of her whip.
• 1:17:32
  Did she have a whip at one point?
• 1:17:34
  Yeah, definitely. She had a whip.
• 1:17:36
  OK. All right.
• 1:17:38
  Well. Hope you guys enjoyed this.
• 1:17:40
  Thank you again. Happy Thanksgiving to everybody.
• 1:17:44
  We really appreciate you guys and we are very thankful for all
• 1:17:47
  of you. Yeah, we'll be back for Cena's
• 1:17:51
  retirement match and I'm looking forward to it, guys.
• 1:17:54
  And then right after that, we got a holiday episode.
• 1:17:57
  Oh baby. As we approach five years and
• 1:18:00
  episode 200. So we look forward to it.
• 1:18:03
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• 1:18:06
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• 1:18:10
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• 1:18:11
  What the hell 3? Of them.