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Chuck & Buck 12-29 Hour 3: MMQB with Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: hom Grin and Hugh Millin. Here's Chuck and Buck.
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Speaker 2: All right, good morning, a live radio for you here.
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Speaker 2: That's right, Monday Morning Quarterback session. Ashley Ryan's here, Bucky
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Speaker 2: Jacob said, my name is Chuck Powellin for the next
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Speaker 2: couple of hours, the best of the business. Mike Homeran
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Speaker 2: at nine o'clock and Hugh Millan ur QB one, joining
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Speaker 2: us now to discuss Seahawks football. We got a game
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Speaker 2: to recap, we got a game to preview. Man, we
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Speaker 2: got a lot to discuss. The theater of the National
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Speaker 2: Football League. They do have a way of making it
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Speaker 2: awfully entertaining. And joining us now on the program is
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Speaker 2: our QB one. Good morning, Hugh, good morning. Great to
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Speaker 2: be with you. Oh man, what a show the NFL
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Speaker 2: put on this weekend. We got another one coming up
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Speaker 2: here this upcoming weekend. But let's talk to Seahawks twenty
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Speaker 2: seven to ten over the Carolina Panthers. Where does the
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Speaker 2: conversation start with Hugh Millan about this game?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think you just have to acknowledge the defense Carolina.
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Speaker 3: They didn't look real good obviously. Seattle just dominated a
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Speaker 3: team that was fighting for their division. That was a
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Speaker 3: team that a couple weeks ago they put up thirty
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Speaker 3: one points again and st the Rams in a victory
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Speaker 3: at home. And you know, they beat green Bay on
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Speaker 3: the road when green Bay was flying high. I mean
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Speaker 3: they have They've been over thirty points on four games.
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Speaker 3: I mean, they you would think on paper they have
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Speaker 3: a high ceiling and Seattle just made them look like
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Speaker 3: a JV team. Certainly, their offense and I mean the
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Speaker 3: air yards on completions for Carolina average negative one point
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Speaker 3: two total negative seventeen like okay, like like they they
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Speaker 3: just shut down everything and you know, one third down
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Speaker 3: conversion for the entire game. So the performance by the
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Speaker 3: defense is just breathtaking. Now, does Carolina have a breathtaking offense. No,
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Speaker 3: but as I said, they have, they have shown glimpses
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Speaker 3: where they have a high ceiling and Seattle said, we're
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Speaker 3: having none of that. So that that would be my
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Speaker 3: first thought is congratulations to the Seahawks. You beat a
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Speaker 3: team on the road after having played a very emotional
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Speaker 3: game against the Rams, a team that's, you know, playing
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Speaker 3: for first place in their division. And I don't think
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Speaker 3: it's to go in said that in the National Football League.
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Speaker 3: You win by seventeen points on the road. In those circumstances,
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Speaker 3: you just have to tip your hat.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you, And yet to me, the there's
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Speaker 4: a jekyl in Hyde aspect of the Panther. I haven't
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Speaker 4: watched every single game, but I've watched enough of them
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Speaker 4: and seen enough highlights of you know, them getting beat
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Speaker 4: forty to nine by the Buffalo Bills. Now that's a
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Speaker 4: good team at times, and they can do that to somebody.
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Speaker 4: But they also lost both games to the Norland Saints
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Speaker 4: and didn't do a whole heck of a lot offensively
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Speaker 4: against them either. So it feels to me like you
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Speaker 4: don't know for sure what you're gonna get, and yet
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Speaker 4: your only job is to go out and make them
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Speaker 4: look like the lower end of their ceiling, whatever that is,
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Speaker 4: or the floor you want to make them look like.
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Speaker 5: That certainly did.
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Speaker 4: Is there anything in particular that you saw that Mike
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Speaker 4: McDonald did that was ultimately really confusing to Bryce Young
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Speaker 4: and the rest of that offense.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think that they.
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Speaker 3: Took away the deep ball, and you know, they played
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Speaker 3: mostly zone when they played man, they gloved it up
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Speaker 3: pretty good. I think they communicated very well. I mean
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Speaker 3: the Seahawks, the difference between them at home and on
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Speaker 3: the road defensively, I mean, they they allow, you know,
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Speaker 3: under sixteen points on the road, they're over twenty points.
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Speaker 3: At home. They're the EPA. You know, at home is
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Speaker 3: negative six point nine to six, but on the road
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Speaker 3: is thirty nine. That probably doesn't mean a lot, but
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Speaker 3: expected point. It's added. I mean, there's a lot of
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Speaker 3: statistics where you just go. These guys are a lot
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Speaker 3: better on the road than at home. And I think
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Speaker 3: part of it is a communication. Obviously, can communicate better
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Speaker 3: on the road, and so I think they just they
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Speaker 3: had everything covered and then when they forced a lot
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Speaker 3: of the checkdowns were to the swings. I mean he
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Speaker 3: had out in the flat and relative open space. Tyokatta
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Speaker 3: on a swing, great tackle. Uh Witherspoon in the flat
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Speaker 3: with a lot of space, great tackle on a third down.
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Speaker 3: Ernest Jones manned the man coverage out on a swing,
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Speaker 3: great tackle. Even Nuosa on a third down, buzzing out
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Speaker 3: on a on a on a zone blitz, He's got
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Speaker 3: the flat. He makes a great tackle. So they were
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Speaker 3: they tackled well in the flat after having induced the
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Speaker 3: the the checkdowns for for Bryce Young, and I think
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Speaker 3: in Bryce Young they just made him look I mean
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Speaker 3: just a tiny but but slow. I mean, if you're
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Speaker 3: gonna be that small, you better be Kyler Murray twitchy.
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Speaker 3: He didn't look fast, he didn't look big, his arm
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Speaker 3: looked weak, he looked tentative. I mean, if if we
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Speaker 3: were doing Carolina Radio, I'd say, please, don't make the
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Speaker 3: mistakes the Dolphins Dolphins did with Tua, like like, no,
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Speaker 3: this guy is not worth the second contract, you know.
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Speaker 3: And so at an event, I think that they just
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Speaker 3: a great communication. They're healthy on defense. I mean, if
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Speaker 3: you'd have told me going into week seventeen that and
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Speaker 3: I don't want to diminish or diss Kobe Bryant, he
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Speaker 3: has been a really good player for them. But if
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Speaker 3: you said that's the only guy that's that you're concerned
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Speaker 3: about from a health standpoint, sign me up. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And so you know, they got a lot of dudes
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Speaker 3: now that even the younger you know, Okata and Drake Thomas,
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Speaker 3: who you know, weren't starters at to begin with, but
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Speaker 3: now they just they're really keen on their reads and
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Speaker 3: they're playing with no hesitation. It's a fun group to watch, obviously,
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Speaker 3: no doubt.
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Speaker 2: Hugh Mellon is with us our QB one Monday morning
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Speaker 2: quarterback session as there's so much talk about with the
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Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks, and so there's still more to talk about
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Speaker 2: with the defense.
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Speaker 5: But let's get to the other side of the ball.
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Speaker 2: Because it was an ugly first half for sure, just
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Speaker 2: three points at halftime, just one hundred and twenty five
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Speaker 2: passing yards for the entire game. I think that I
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Speaker 2: say this without hesitation. This radio show here in Seattle,
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Speaker 2: this morning show, Ashley Bucky, myself probably are the more
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Speaker 2: pro Sam Darnold, let it rip group that you're gonna
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Speaker 2: find on a daily basis here in Seattle. And yet
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Speaker 2: there's certainly that narrative about too many turnovers. And I'm
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Speaker 2: wondering if you, who've been the leader of the I'm
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Speaker 2: not worried about this brigade, is there any reason to
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Speaker 2: start worrying about it as you're getting ready for these
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Speaker 2: crucial games starting on Saturday.
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Speaker 3: I'm not as worried about the turnovers as I am,
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Speaker 3: just the general lack of cohesion. I mean, in the
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Speaker 3: first nine games of the year, Sam Darnold's passer rating
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Speaker 3: on the aggregate was one hundred and fourteen. In eight
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Speaker 3: of those nine games, his passer rating was over eighty five.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, you know you run the correlation
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Speaker 3: numbers to winning and passer eight. Even though passer rating
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Speaker 3: is a relic, it's been around since nineteen seventy. It
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Speaker 3: stands the test of time, and there is high correlation.
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Speaker 3: So passer rating is absolutely a worthwhile statistic. In the
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Speaker 3: last seven games, remember reminder, eight of nine have been
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Speaker 3: over eighty five in the last seven games starting with
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Speaker 3: the RAM game. In so far, only two of seven
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Speaker 3: have been over eighty five, and the average has been
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Speaker 3: eighty four. So you go from one hundred and fourteen
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Speaker 3: to eighty four. You've lost thirty points on your average
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Speaker 3: passing game, the difference between the first nine games and
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Speaker 3: the last seven. So clearly you can't you can't just
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Speaker 3: you know, just kind of blow those statistics under the
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Speaker 3: the carpet. I mean, that's real, real stuff. And and
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Speaker 3: I think that they're not getting the big plays. Uh certainly,
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Speaker 3: you know, after watching the tape, that is not a
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Speaker 3: resume for Clint Kubiak if he was trying to get
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Speaker 3: a higher job. He just that you know, there's details
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Speaker 3: about their their offense that are just the difference between
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Speaker 3: winning and losing. And they got double slant. Mike Holmgren
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Speaker 3: would call it lion. You know, you got the the
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Speaker 3: the receivers are too close to each other, so they're
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Speaker 3: stacked on top of each other. When they won the
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Speaker 3: slant on a on a on a wide receiver screen
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Speaker 3: that left tackle and my entire life, I mean that
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Speaker 3: coaches at high school, I have never seen Josh Josh Jones.
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Speaker 3: I've never seen the left tackle on a tunnel screen
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Speaker 3: not go get the whitest guy the corner and then
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Speaker 3: let the guard get the the next inside guy. But
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Speaker 3: there was Josh Jones getting the the the overhanged fender
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Speaker 3: and waiting for Gray's able to try and get to
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Speaker 3: the widest guy. I mean, that's that's that's that's a
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Speaker 3: new one on me. I think, uh uh, the failure
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Speaker 3: to see there they were. The Carolina was playing on
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Speaker 3: a lot of coverage what's called quarter quarter half. Some
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Speaker 3: people call it cover six. I say, okay, I might've
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Speaker 3: lost some people. What that means is you're rolling to
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Speaker 3: one half of the field and you're putting a corner
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Speaker 3: down in the flat on one side and the safety
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Speaker 3: over the top, so you're double covering on that side,
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Speaker 3: but on the opposite side you're allowing free access and
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Speaker 3: and you gotta you gotta go take the out routes
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Speaker 3: on that and and there was they kept trying to
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Speaker 3: work the middle of the field in Carolina. The one
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Speaker 3: thing they did well defensively, they they kind of bottle
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Speaker 3: up the middle of the field. I don't think Seattle
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Speaker 3: exploited the outside. They were only they were seven and
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Speaker 3: nine going outside the numbers, but only fifty six yards passing.
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Speaker 3: And you know, and Darnald had shown on the third
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Speaker 3: play of the game. I mean he had this beautiful
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Speaker 3: intermediate speed out to the sideline and from the right
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Speaker 3: hash to the far left. I mean, Darnald can make
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Speaker 3: that throw. I think they needed to call that more.
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Speaker 3: There was another time with Rashizi he before he got hurt,
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Speaker 3: he had a four step out route. Good looking play
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Speaker 3: out there. It's it's a quarters beater. And and yet
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Speaker 3: I think that they should have called that more. Certainly
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Speaker 3: they should have called more deep balls because I wrote
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Speaker 3: I'm writing I can't even tell you all the times
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Speaker 3: that that I write in the note. Squat squad is
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Speaker 3: a term that that is kind of a ubiquitous term
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Speaker 3: for quarterbacks, and it describes a corner who is who
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Speaker 3: is sitting at a certain depth maybe before the snap
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Speaker 3: of the ball, maybe at seven yards, maybe a slight
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Speaker 3: back pedal, but he's not really honoring the deep ball.
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Speaker 3: He's keeping his hips and his shoulders parallel to the line, scrimmage,
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Speaker 3: ready to drive from the top down, eager to drive
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Speaker 3: from the top down. And you got to run go routes.
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Speaker 3: You just have to do it. And and even if
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Speaker 3: you know, you know, throw it up, you might get
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Speaker 3: a p I, what have you. But you got to
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Speaker 3: loosen them up. And and number two and number eight
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Speaker 3: J C. Horn and our buddy Mike Jackson, a former Seahawk,
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Speaker 3: just were squatting all day. And they did it to
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Speaker 3: Cooper Cup, they did it to Jasn, they did it
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Speaker 3: to Derek Young and so that that is a part
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Speaker 3: of it. And then you say, well, where's the double moves? Well,
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Speaker 3: they finally, oh my gosh, so they finally get to
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Speaker 3: the double move, which what's what's Carolina was just dying,
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Speaker 3: you know, begging you to do a double move. They
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Speaker 3: do it in the red zone. They get the interception,
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Speaker 3: and I'll just leave myself because I know you're gonna
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Speaker 3: ask me the interception. A lot going on there, uh,
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Speaker 3: And so they call a slug o to JSN on
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Speaker 3: on the outside based on how the the corners for
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Speaker 3: Carolina had been playing when they were in off coverage.
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Speaker 3: That again where they're you know, seven yards hips parallel
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Speaker 3: to the line of scrimmage. How based on how they
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Speaker 3: were playing, that would be a good call there. But
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Speaker 3: on this particular time, they're playing at what's called a
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Speaker 3: press bail, and press bail means that I'm Sam Darnold,
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Speaker 3: I'm in the shotgun. Out to my left, there's Mike Jackson.
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Speaker 3: He is pressed up on Jackson Smith and Jigba my
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Speaker 3: widest receiver to the left. To the way that that
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Speaker 3: you would say they were susceptible is if he was
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Speaker 3: off coverage. He's not off coverage, but right before the
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Speaker 3: snap of the ball he bails out. The term is
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Speaker 3: called press bail. It's a zone zone uh parlance and
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Speaker 3: and lexicon if you will. And when you bail knees out,
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Speaker 3: excuse me, knees in and asks out. You're looking back
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Speaker 3: at the quarterback, but your your body is retreating away.
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Speaker 3: So when you start to go to slant your your
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Speaker 3: momentum as a cornerback, you're already taking yourself away from
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Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. And so they call the play
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Speaker 3: that they should have called several times, but it just
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Speaker 3: happened to come up against the wrong coverage, and so Darnald's.
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Speaker 5: Got to be aware of that.
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Speaker 3: He's got a check down. But but what ends up
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Speaker 3: happening is when Jasn comes out of it, he's faking
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Speaker 3: a slant SLUGO is in a word conjunction slant and go,
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Speaker 3: and he's faking and Mike Jackson.
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Speaker 5: So on top of the route.
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Speaker 3: The JSN by his body language, he starts to throttle
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Speaker 3: down and he says, throw it to me back shoulder.
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Speaker 3: I'm not I'm never gonna get on top of this guy.
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Speaker 3: The idea is that that had the corner been off
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Speaker 3: Mike Jackson at seven yards, you come up your three step,
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Speaker 3: he's he triggers down and then you go outside of
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Speaker 3: him and you get an easy touchdown. That's how you
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Speaker 3: you drew it up, and how you practiced on Friday
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Speaker 3: in red zone practice and and but that's not the
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Speaker 3: look they get. So now Jasn, as I said, he is, uh,
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Speaker 3: he's trying to throttle down, expecting throw it on my
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Speaker 3: back shoulder, and dar Donald is thinking, throw it up
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Speaker 3: to the back of the end zone. And I'll add
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Speaker 3: one more component to the the uh, the the play
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Speaker 3: that I think was vital, and then I'll stop and
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Speaker 3: cast my breath. That Donald was in the shotgun and
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Speaker 3: he had Canine to his right. He also had two
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Speaker 3: tight ends to the right. Canine had to come from
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Speaker 3: the right across his face to block the n man
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Speaker 3: online Scrimmage, who was lined up like a linebacker happened
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Speaker 3: to be a safety, but the left tackle, Jones, was
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Speaker 3: blocking down inside their turn protecting. That means you're asking
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Speaker 3: Canine to start from the right, go in front of
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Speaker 3: the quarterback's face. And now this there's a blow up
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Speaker 3: like a grenade from from Donald's perspective, and this is
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Speaker 3: happening in his lap, his arm gets hit, He's everything
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Speaker 3: like this. This block by Canine is happening literally right
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Speaker 3: in his lap. It's a poor scheme to have that
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Speaker 3: him to have to do that on that play. You
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Speaker 3: need to have him on the other side or turn
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Speaker 3: the protection from not left to right, but right to left.
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Speaker 3: And then Canine, who's on the right and he's happens
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Speaker 3: to be on the double tight end side. That end
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Speaker 3: that he would have to block is way far removed
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Speaker 3: from the quarterback. You just don't want to have that protection.
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Speaker 3: So there was a lot of things going on in
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Speaker 3: that interception that doesn't bother me. It's the lack of
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Speaker 3: cohesion and the idea that you're only you know, you're
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Speaker 3: under two hundred yards and your efficiency is poor' that's
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Speaker 3: kind of where I am.
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Speaker 4: Okay, well, I mean I'll stay with Darnold just to
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Speaker 4: finish this second. I mean, just overarching, if you had
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Speaker 4: to give him a grade, because to me, it's you
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Speaker 4: got to let it rip. And yet at times that
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Speaker 4: means that things are going to happen, whether they're your
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Speaker 4: fault there is a bad decision, or whether it was
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Speaker 4: a good defensive play called on the other side of things.
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Speaker 4: To me, the situational awareness, if you're backed up against
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Speaker 4: your own goal line, you can't turn the ball over
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Speaker 4: there right, whether it's you know, getting rid of it
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Speaker 4: so you're not getting hit and fumbling, or you're throwing
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Speaker 4: it into you know, a dangerous situation where all of
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Speaker 4: a sudden their team has a short field and they're
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Speaker 4: going to have points on the board, or when you
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Speaker 4: are down there getting ready to score and that like
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Speaker 4: that interception was and you essentially are kind of taking
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Speaker 4: points off the board. If you just had to say
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Speaker 4: what Sam Darnold's overall situational awareness his decision making based
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Speaker 4: on where you're at on the field and the situation
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Speaker 4: of the game. You're giving him an A over the
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Speaker 4: course of the season. B See where where's he at?
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Speaker 3: Oh, over the course of the season. Yeah, yeah, I'd
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Speaker 3: give him an AH. Look, you're you're, you're you're setting
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Speaker 3: a franchise record for points already and you still have
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Speaker 3: the week to go. You're where are they in terms
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Speaker 3: of points? There are they? Top two in the NFL
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Speaker 3: and points. You know, for most of the season they hit.
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Speaker 3: He had been number one in net yards per attempt.
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Speaker 3: I think he's number two now, So I would say
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Speaker 3: for the season. I mean, this is a guy it
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Speaker 3: looks you're right now, you're the number one seed in
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Speaker 3: the NFC, and you know he's over his last forty starts,
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Speaker 3: he's thirty one and nine. So yeah, if you want
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Speaker 3: to say for the season, he's had an as he's
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Speaker 3: a Pro Bowl. You know, he's he's the number two
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Speaker 3: guy in the conference at the Pro Bowl, voted number
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Speaker 3: two behind Matthew Stafford. So so I can't give him
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Speaker 3: less than an A for all of that. Now, if
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Speaker 3: you want to say yesterday, no, it wasn't an a.
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Speaker 3: Now I don't like, you know, boot left hell, they
18:43
Speaker 3: do more boot lefts than TUA does boot lefts down
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Speaker 3: in Miami. Why do you start the game with with
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Speaker 3: with the boot left and from a formation in the
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Speaker 3: front where the you know, it's an odd front and
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Speaker 3: the end man online of scrimmage, who you're trying to
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Speaker 3: get to suck down inside for a second, and what's
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Speaker 3: called reduce, You're trying to get him to reduce. He's
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Speaker 3: so stinking wide on his alignment before you snap the
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Speaker 3: ball that you're never gonna get that play without him
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Speaker 3: in your face. And so so I just think there
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Speaker 3: was just a bunch of stuff that I you want
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Speaker 3: to talk about bad grades, I'd give Clint Kubiak a
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Speaker 3: bad grade. He just you know, his play calling for
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Speaker 3: what what Carolina was doing. You know, I've already kind
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Speaker 3: of touched on some of it. But I would say,
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Speaker 3: for Darnold yesterday, by NFL standard, you know, that's that's
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Speaker 3: B minus, you know, somewhere in there. But but I
19:42
Speaker 3: think that there's a lot of quarterbacks who you put
19:45
Speaker 3: him in in underneath the center and let him be
19:49
Speaker 3: the Seaak quarterback yesterday that they wouldn't have looked any better.
19:53
Speaker 3: A lot of quarterbacks that you think are damn good
19:55
Speaker 3: wouldn't have had a good game either. Based on what
19:59
Speaker 3: he confess it was there a couple misreads where I thought, okay, yeah,
20:04
Speaker 3: there was a couple of a couple of reads where
20:07
Speaker 3: if he was just bang on with his timing, there
20:09
Speaker 3: were some opportunities from some any intermediate stuff. But I
20:13
Speaker 3: think he also was operating from a very dirty pocket
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Speaker 3: on a consistent basis, And so yeah, that concerns me going,
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Speaker 3: you know, moving forward.
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Speaker 1: Go with a.
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Speaker 6: Traditional full back running back look, and Darnold's gonna throw
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Speaker 6: it hits us open man, it's Burner tunning it the touchdown.
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Speaker 6: Thus settle of offenses come alive.
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Speaker 2: Bown, CBS Ports on the call. Seahawks do win at
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Speaker 2: twenty seven to ten. It had come alive thanks to
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Speaker 2: the defense creating a couple of short fields and then
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Speaker 2: fourteen points in the third quarter. Seahawks end up running
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Speaker 2: away with it twenty seven to ten over the Carolina Panthers.
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Speaker 2: And we are here to break it all down for
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Speaker 2: you on Monday morning quarterback as Hugh Millen Mike Holmgren
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Speaker 2: with us for the next couple of hours. We got
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Speaker 2: QB one with us right now and a lot more
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Speaker 2: to discuss. We've already discussed how great the defense was.
21:35
Speaker 2: Hugh gave Sam Darnold to be minus for yesterday, but
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Speaker 2: an A for the season.
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Speaker 5: I can agree with both of those. Andy gave Clint
21:42
Speaker 5: Kubiek yesterday a lower grade than a B minus.
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Speaker 2: Let's just keep it there, let's keep it above the
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Speaker 2: belt lower. But let's get into some of the cool
21:53
Speaker 2: things that happened there offense. But I would talk about
21:55
Speaker 2: a little bit about a J. Barner because he made
21:58
Speaker 2: a couple big plays. I thought one of the biggest
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Speaker 2: plays of the game was a completion to him on
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Speaker 2: third down and nine. Then of course he had the
22:06
Speaker 2: touchdown reception as well.
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Speaker 5: Hugh and I think he.
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Speaker 2: Might be as good as Aaron Rodgers at the hard
22:13
Speaker 2: count under center because he's always getting people to jump
22:17
Speaker 2: off side for a tight end.
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Speaker 5: He's amazing at the hard count. Hugh.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not going to impress me until he can.
22:23
Speaker 5: He can he can.
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Speaker 3: Watch guys run off the field the twelfth man and
22:27
Speaker 3: then snap the ball and throw a go right off
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Speaker 3: the sideline. But yeah, allah, Aaron Rodgers, I've never seen
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Speaker 3: anybody before since they can do that. Who has a
22:38
Speaker 3: feel for who's on the field and isn't. But yeah,
22:41
Speaker 3: you're you're right. He Barner is constantly a guy that
22:46
Speaker 3: when things are jammed up, it's like, just get the
22:50
Speaker 3: ball to Barner. How many times this season? I mean,
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Speaker 3: I've got the text I have with my buddies at
22:55
Speaker 3: halftime to prove it. I'm like, Barner's always the guy
22:59
Speaker 3: that gets you out of the out of your out
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Speaker 3: of the mud, you know. And and so it's he's
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Speaker 3: really a talented guy. And and uh, you know, I
23:09
Speaker 3: think that touchdown it was a boot right, thank you,
23:12
Speaker 3: it's a right handed quarterback, thank you, And you know,
23:15
Speaker 3: hit him in the flat and held a job by
23:17
Speaker 3: Cooper Cup making a block on that play, and and uh,
23:21
Speaker 3: you know Barnard just didn't plays with a lot of confidence,
23:24
Speaker 3: big good looking athlete.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, uh yeah he is.
23:27
Speaker 4: And and Jackson Smith and Jagba finds his way, you know,
23:30
Speaker 4: into a nice little stat line.
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Speaker 1: Again.
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Speaker 4: Uh, I mean, is this just what you're seeing so
23:35
Speaker 4: far out of him? Just basically par for the course.
23:37
Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't matter who they're going to go
23:39
Speaker 4: up against, what the defense tries to do. Do you
23:41
Speaker 4: still see him putting up good numbers regardless of whether
23:44
Speaker 4: or not he's shut down early in the game or whatever.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's proven it, and and he's just so
23:50
Speaker 3: heady and his ball skills are so elite. And and uh,
23:55
Speaker 3: I would say with him yesterday, as I said, I
23:59
Speaker 3: would have liked to have seen more outbreaking routes. There's
24:02
Speaker 3: you know, there was a squat on a play that
24:06
Speaker 3: where he's coming up and some people call it a
24:09
Speaker 3: shake route where he could come up. It's intermediate fifteen
24:12
Speaker 3: seventeen yards where you start to break in and the
24:15
Speaker 3: corner's supposed to break in with you and then you
24:17
Speaker 3: break out. And as I said, they're just squatting, they're
24:20
Speaker 3: just pitching a tent right there. And that would be
24:25
Speaker 3: the part where somebody's got to communicate to kubiak k
24:29
Speaker 3: we got to throw a nine route. A nine route
24:31
Speaker 3: is the go route and even if you don't hit it,
24:35
Speaker 3: to loosen those up. So yeah, I would have liked
24:37
Speaker 3: to have seen more outbreaking routes and I just want
24:40
Speaker 3: to see, you know, particularly the way they reduce the split.
24:43
Speaker 3: If you have JSN on what's that spray release where
24:46
Speaker 3: he lines up closer to the formation, but then he
24:49
Speaker 3: widens and he gets the corner's feet, thinking, Okay, is
24:54
Speaker 3: he widened me because I want to have an he
24:56
Speaker 3: wants to create space for an inbreaking rounde or is
24:59
Speaker 3: he widened me trying to get leverage for an outbreaking route.
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Speaker 3: If he does that spray release and then he just
25:05
Speaker 3: goes on a go route, just call it and throw
25:10
Speaker 3: it just to loosen everything up for the rest of
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Speaker 3: the game.
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Speaker 2: Well, his biggest contribution to the game might have been
25:18
Speaker 2: getting his face mask grabbed, because that was a huge
25:23
Speaker 2: play in the contest. Carolina, even though they'd gotten dominated
25:28
Speaker 2: on one side of the ball, they had just scored
25:32
Speaker 2: a touchdown, They got the ball back.
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Speaker 5: They got the Seahawks at third.
25:36
Speaker 2: And twenty one and J. C. Horn, who's their only
25:39
Speaker 2: pro bowler, picked the worst time for a dumb penalty
25:42
Speaker 2: of fifteen yard face mask penalty that freed up the Seahawks,
25:47
Speaker 2: And pretty much that was pretty much the game.
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Speaker 5: I wrote down on my notes game over at that point.
25:53
Speaker 2: That's how big that play felt at the time, Carolina
25:56
Speaker 2: having lost all of their momentum, and the Seahawks from
26:00
Speaker 2: there just kind of cruised offensively.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, my notes say, pog playoff game right, wow, And
26:07
Speaker 3: well you just kind of knew it, particularly at that point,
26:11
Speaker 3: as you said, seventeen to ten, ten oh three remaining,
26:14
Speaker 3: and they had just sacked Donald and so oddly that
26:20
Speaker 3: play was an RPO of such. It was a called
26:24
Speaker 3: running play just to get a draw and punt the ball,
26:27
Speaker 3: and the corner was kind of off and Donald just
26:30
Speaker 3: took it and threw it sideways on a little smoke
26:33
Speaker 3: A little now and so now the face masks. But
26:40
Speaker 3: just in the interest of accuracy, the face mask is
26:44
Speaker 3: either nothing or it's fifteen yards. The five yard face
26:48
Speaker 3: mask that was taken out in two thousand and eight.
26:53
Speaker 3: So there's no like him selling the play so that
26:58
Speaker 3: he could get the fifteen yards as opposed to a five.
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Speaker 3: Once the official sees the hand that the head rather snaps,
27:08
Speaker 3: even just a little bit, it's fifteen yards. And I
27:11
Speaker 3: don't think that JSN sold that. I think his helmet
27:16
Speaker 3: legitimately got Yanks. You know, I can't say that for sure,
27:20
Speaker 3: but what I can say for sure is that there
27:23
Speaker 3: was no discretion for the official to be able to
27:26
Speaker 3: quote to determine between five yards and fifteen. We haven't
27:30
Speaker 3: had that in the game for seventeen years.
27:34
Speaker 2: Well, they ended up marching down the field and getting
27:38
Speaker 2: the field goal. What stood out to you about that
27:41
Speaker 2: drive in particular? I mean, there was an eighteen yard
27:44
Speaker 2: beauty to JSN. There was another blown officials call because
27:47
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup got interfered with in the end zone and
27:50
Speaker 2: they didn't call it, And then they acted like they
27:52
Speaker 2: were going to go for it on fourth and five,
27:54
Speaker 2: and I'm like, Mike, this is not a good time
27:56
Speaker 2: to be going for it on fourth down and five.
27:58
Speaker 2: But they were just trying to draw them off sides
28:00
Speaker 2: and end up kicking the field goal to put him
28:02
Speaker 2: up two scores. What stood out to you about that drive, Improty, Yeah,
28:05
Speaker 2: it will I'll just go backwards.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. On that. I was like, there's no way they're
28:09
Speaker 3: snapping that ball. Do not snap that ball? No way,
28:11
Speaker 3: like we had a Hey, yeah, we had a sure
28:14
Speaker 3: like they were going to do. I'm like, no, there's
28:17
Speaker 3: no way he's fight snapping that football. But but I
28:20
Speaker 3: would just say, you know, it's more of Donald of
28:23
Speaker 3: You could make a build a pretty good argument that
28:26
Speaker 3: he's at his best in the clutch times and the
28:33
Speaker 3: in route that he threw to JSN on a third
28:36
Speaker 3: down on that tenure. Seattle really blew that because there's
28:39
Speaker 3: no way that anybody, you know, they come up late
28:42
Speaker 3: and to Donald's left, they've got edge pressure, and so
28:46
Speaker 3: the center goes right and the left guard terms what's
28:50
Speaker 3: called fan where he goes what? They leave the a
28:52
Speaker 3: gap wide open for the three tech who's ninety four
28:55
Speaker 3: for for Carolina. Ninety four comes in and just totally
29:03
Speaker 3: untouched and Donald just stares right down the and and
29:07
Speaker 3: that dude ninety four put his helmet right in his
29:10
Speaker 3: freaking sc joint the stern up called vickiar right below
29:13
Speaker 3: your Adams apple and uh and Donald just smoked it
29:17
Speaker 3: in there and uh and got the first down and
29:20
Speaker 3: then on a boot right Uh again boot right. Can
29:24
Speaker 3: I emphasize the right part of boot right? Donald, he
29:28
Speaker 3: was getting chased. Ideally, you'd like to on those boots.
29:31
Speaker 3: You'd like to be I don't want to say jogging,
29:34
Speaker 3: but you don't want to be running full speed because
29:36
Speaker 3: you're not going to be as accurate you wanted to be.
29:38
Speaker 3: You want to be you know, yes, accelerating to get
29:41
Speaker 3: out there, but by the time you throw, you don't
29:43
Speaker 3: want to have to be throwing full speed. You want
29:46
Speaker 3: to be able to dial it down. When I coached
29:49
Speaker 3: high school, uh with with the quarterbacks and and the
29:52
Speaker 3: way I've been taught, Hey, sprint those first few steps,
29:55
Speaker 3: but then kind of like, uh, don't put on the brakes,
29:59
Speaker 3: but just like a car where you take your foot
30:02
Speaker 3: off the gas, you just kind of you're just you
30:05
Speaker 3: just kind of idle or coast, I guess would be
30:09
Speaker 3: the word. But you're kind of barely slowing down as
30:12
Speaker 3: you're throwing. Then you're more accate. He had to keep
30:15
Speaker 3: sprinting on that play. And usually the over route that's
30:20
Speaker 3: coming from the back side most of the time, that's
30:23
Speaker 3: at about eleven twelve yards. So you got the quarterback,
30:27
Speaker 3: you're faking the run to the left, right handed quarterback.
30:30
Speaker 3: He's sprinting out towards the right sideline. He's got Jasn,
30:34
Speaker 3: who had started on the left side. He's running a
30:37
Speaker 3: crossing route and when you hit that usually it's at
30:40
Speaker 3: twelve yards. JSN took that deeper and he caught that
30:45
Speaker 3: right at the sideline for eighteen yards. That was basically
30:48
Speaker 3: seventeen and a half and so Darnald on the full speed,
30:52
Speaker 3: had to look off a defender running full speed and
30:55
Speaker 3: smoke it right over on the sideline. That was a
30:58
Speaker 3: big time throw. So you could argue his two biggest
31:01
Speaker 3: throws were on the drive that meant the most in
31:06
Speaker 3: the game. And that's not the first time we've said
31:08
Speaker 3: that this season.
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Speaker 5: Man, man all right.
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Speaker 2: Hugh millanis with us Mike joins US coach Holmgren at
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Speaker 2: nine o'clock here today. I do want to spend a
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Speaker 2: little bit of time with just you talking about this
31:19
Speaker 2: next game.
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Speaker 5: I hear it's a pretty big one. Sports Radio ninety
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Speaker 7: Hitting these these benchmarks.
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Speaker 5: It's going to be the same message to.
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Speaker 7: The team because that's what's got us to this point,
31:31
Speaker 7: and we're gonna do everything in our in our in
31:33
Speaker 7: our power to go win this one and we'll go
31:36
Speaker 7: play the next one. You know, But that's that's a message.
31:40
Speaker 7: It takes one hundred percent of everybody, all the time,
31:42
Speaker 7: every week. So nothing changes this week. But one of
31:45
Speaker 7: our goals is to win the division. You know, it's
31:47
Speaker 7: gonna come down to if we win the game, win
31:49
Speaker 7: the division. So we'll let the the.
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Speaker 5: Next goal here.
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Speaker 2: That buck one from you, everybody, arnold you all about nineties.
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Speaker 5: Actually it's not enough, it's not good enough. I'm not
32:02
Speaker 5: going to give my Saturday. You melon's going to give
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Speaker 5: it a hundred percent?
32:06
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he always do is Yeah, and it'll probably
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Speaker 2: be the difference in whether or not we went or
32:11
Speaker 2: not on Saturday. All right, So forty nine ers everything
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Speaker 2: at stake, The entire freedom of the universe is at stake.
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Speaker 5: What's what do you what do you think is going
32:22
Speaker 5: to go down on Saturday?
32:23
Speaker 1: Here?
32:23
Speaker 5: At least give me some keys to what to expect.
32:27
Speaker 3: Well, I think the forty nine ers have been remarkable.
32:30
Speaker 3: They're kind of like an octopus. You cut off an
32:33
Speaker 3: arm and it just regrows. It doesn't seem to matter
32:37
Speaker 3: what future Hall of Famer they lose. They just keep
32:41
Speaker 3: on trucking. And the idea that they're even in the
32:43
Speaker 3: position they ind is a hell of a testament to them.
32:46
Speaker 3: That really speaks to what they have in terms of
32:50
Speaker 3: how they have united. Obviously speaks to coaching. But you know,
32:56
Speaker 3: the idea that you would lose Bosa and Warner warners
33:00
Speaker 3: for sure Hall of Fame. Bosa is probably a Hall
33:03
Speaker 3: of Famer. They got a kittles out. I mean, Trent
33:07
Speaker 3: Williams is probably the best left tackle of this generation.
33:11
Speaker 3: I mean, it just goes They're not just losing starters,
33:14
Speaker 3: they're losing Hall of Fame balance starters. And yet they
33:18
Speaker 3: keep they keep on truck and they've got a quarterback
33:23
Speaker 3: we talk very unique brand of quarterbacking. He doesn't have
33:27
Speaker 3: a great skill set in the traditional sense. That's why
33:30
Speaker 3: he was mister irrelevant. Not big, not terribly fast, although
33:34
Speaker 3: I think he's pretty shifty. Certainly does not have a
33:37
Speaker 3: strong arm, way way way below the median. In fact,
33:40
Speaker 3: probably if you had a velocity test, probably the weakest
33:44
Speaker 3: arm of every starting quarterback in the NFL in terms
33:49
Speaker 3: of just being a raw horsepower to drive a ball.
33:52
Speaker 3: But he plays within an extraordinary anticipation. He can throw
33:58
Speaker 3: layered balls, because you know, it's almost like I liken
34:00
Speaker 3: it to a golfer that would much rather be at
34:05
Speaker 3: one hundred and ten yards. A pro golfer much rather
34:08
Speaker 3: be at one hundred and ten yards than fifty five yards, right,
34:10
Speaker 3: because they can take a full swing. Well, Rock Purdy
34:13
Speaker 3: can throw it as hard as he can in these
34:16
Speaker 3: deep intermediate over the middle throws, and it has just
34:20
Speaker 3: the right amount of an arc, just a little bit
34:23
Speaker 3: of a touch to throw it over the underneath layer
34:26
Speaker 3: and then in front of the back layer. I mean,
34:29
Speaker 3: he's when he's on, there's a fun brand of quarterbacking
34:35
Speaker 3: from him because he pushes the ball down the field.
34:37
Speaker 3: So it's not gonna be fun if he's doing that
34:40
Speaker 3: this Sunday. But yeah, I think there's a hell of
34:42
Speaker 3: a lot of reason to be concerned. I think where
34:44
Speaker 3: Seattle's offense has been, you know, you know, they're just
34:48
Speaker 3: kind of stuck in the mud. And meanwhile San Francisco,
34:51
Speaker 3: I mean they are cruising, They're they're in sixth gear offensively.
34:56
Speaker 3: So I think I think it's a big concern.
34:58
Speaker 4: This could be a bad question, but I don't care.
35:01
Speaker 4: I'll ask it anyways, because I know that there's not
35:03
Speaker 4: a set like this is always the way it is
35:06
Speaker 4: one way or the other. But from your perspective all
35:09
Speaker 4: the time that you played and now all the time
35:11
Speaker 4: that you analyzing football, when a team's doing a rematch,
35:14
Speaker 4: is it typically the offense that gets to make more
35:19
Speaker 4: adjustments based on what they saw or does a defense
35:21
Speaker 4: typically get to make more adjustments?
35:25
Speaker 5: Horrible question.
35:25
Speaker 3: I'm sure, No, it's not a horrible question. I love
35:31
Speaker 3: the question. I just I'm not sure that I've given
35:34
Speaker 3: that thought. I think that because I think both sides
35:36
Speaker 3: are constantly trying to make adjustments, and I think that
35:41
Speaker 3: you know, Kyle Shanahan, I think he's going to go
35:43
Speaker 3: after Josh Job. I think he's going to try and
35:45
Speaker 3: match up Drake Thomas in coverage. I think he's going
35:48
Speaker 3: to try and match up Ernest Jones. I mean that's
35:51
Speaker 3: that's where he was fed that, that matchup type of
35:57
Speaker 3: outlook on the game. He was fed that through his
36:00
Speaker 3: Biblical court, learning from Mike and and and he's just
36:04
Speaker 3: that that's just how he rolls. And so they've been
36:08
Speaker 3: able to get you know, wheel routes and corner route
36:12
Speaker 3: sail routes. They they can flood zones and hit those intermediates,
36:16
Speaker 3: and and party's got the aggression to hit it. You know,
36:20
Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan always thinks there's a buffet at the table
36:25
Speaker 3: in terms of people that he can attack. And that's
36:28
Speaker 3: just his mindset and and and so I think that
36:31
Speaker 3: based on how they've been cruising and protecting further quarterback,
36:36
Speaker 3: I can see why he would think that.
36:38
Speaker 2: All right, since he asked you a tricky question, I'll
36:40
Speaker 2: close out the hour by asking you one of.
36:42
Speaker 5: The easiest questions you've ever been asked? Would you ever
36:45
Speaker 5: consider wearing one of Cam Newton's hats and public.
36:50
Speaker 3: Yeah on October thirty birds. Yes, Yes, yes, absolutely, I
36:58
Speaker 3: love Holliday parties.
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Speaker 5: Alright, that's you're right.
37:02
Speaker 3: That was the easiest question asked.
37:05
Speaker 2: Hugh Melon will be joined by Mike Holmgren on the
37:08
Speaker 2: other side at nine o'clock hour. More on Seahawks Silver Panthers,
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