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Healing at the Cellular Level: Dr. Daniel Pompa on Thyroid Health, Toxins, and True Detoxification · Ageless and Timeless Podcast®

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Speaker 1: Good morning everyone. This is Michelle Hughes at Ageless and Timeless.
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Speaker 1: My guest this morning is doctor Daniel Pompa, and I
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Speaker 1: think everybody knows him. He's one of those parapatetic all
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Speaker 1: over the internet, because you know what, this is a
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Speaker 1: man on a mission, and he is one of the
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Speaker 1: most passionate doctors I've ever met, and I've met many,
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Speaker 1: but he just cares so much to help us, all
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Speaker 1: of us to basically recover from any or not only recover,
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Speaker 1: but heal any kind of problems that we have. And
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Speaker 1: he focuses on the thyroid, but he encompasses everything that
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Speaker 1: is to do with wellness, correct, Anne.
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Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, the thyroid, because that's where a lot
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Speaker 2: of things start. It's the canary in the coal mine,
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Speaker 2: meaning it's so sensitive that a lot of people's unexplainable symptoms,
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Speaker 2: things like that start with the thought.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I had the pleasure of meeting you
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Speaker 1: at the fab Mancini. I don't know if you even remember,
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Speaker 1: but we were standing in the in the hall there
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Speaker 1: in the room, and your assistant brought you over and
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Speaker 1: so I feel really privileged that I met you in person,
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Speaker 1: because you have your energy comes across on the internet,
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Speaker 1: but it's even more dynamic when you meet you in person.
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Speaker 1: So anybody that has the opportunity to visit you. And
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Speaker 1: you live in Utah, I know, but you travel everywhere
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Speaker 1: because you're always giving lectures.
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Speaker 2: So it's true. I'm in Mexico. There's a hotel I'm
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Speaker 2: actually on the board with here and a well I'm
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Speaker 2: helping them build it out. So yeah, I came down
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Speaker 2: here for that. So yeah, I am.
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Speaker 1: You're right.
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Speaker 2: I'm always I was in Austin doing some podcasts there.
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Speaker 2: From here I go to Atlanta. But yes, I am.
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Speaker 1: You just love to share. That's that's the beauty of
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Speaker 1: your your spirit, your soul, your generosity about helping others.
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Speaker 1: So why don't you tell us, start us with your journey,
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Speaker 1: tell us how you got to where you are today.
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Speaker 2: Pain to purpose, that's honestly I.
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Speaker 1: Always say that, But you know what, Dan, my new
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Speaker 1: one is pain to purpose, to passion to power.
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Speaker 2: You don't mind it. Pain to purpose, passion to.
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Speaker 1: Power, and those are the four piece and I believe
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Speaker 1: in them because you know, it seems like so many
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Speaker 1: of my guests and myself have come to where we
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Speaker 1: are because of pain because of some health crisis. So
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Speaker 1: tell us about what happened to you and how you
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Speaker 1: your health crisis, Uh, you know, inspired you to become
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Speaker 1: who you are today.
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Speaker 2: I have three piece pain, to purpose, to promise, and
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Speaker 2: the promises and.
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Speaker 1: Oh I like that one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like because when I was sick, and I'll
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Speaker 2: get into some more details. My wife literally things got
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Speaker 2: very bad at one point and we had two young
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Speaker 2: boys at the time time, and she literally was on
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Speaker 2: her knees crying out for answers, and God spoke to
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Speaker 2: her heart that not only was he going to get
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Speaker 2: me well, but I'm going to take a message to
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Speaker 2: the world. And by the way, when she would speak
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Speaker 2: that to me, I would get very angry actually because
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Speaker 2: I was My exact words were, I can't even help myself,
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Speaker 2: So how possibly why would you put that on me?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 2: I looked at it as a weight instead of, you know,
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Speaker 2: the promise that God had for me. But here I
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Speaker 2: am today, and for twenty years I've been teaching doctors
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Speaker 2: everything that came out of my battle. And you know,
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Speaker 2: now we're taking a program to the world virtually that
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Speaker 2: helps people just like me. But you know, like so
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Speaker 2: many people. It started with unexplainable stuff, you know, fatigue,
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Speaker 2: and I just thought I was overtraining at the time.
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Speaker 2: I had a very busy practice. Thought I was overworking.
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Speaker 2: I pulled back and things weren't getting better in many ways,
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Speaker 2: they were getting worse. And then it was like anxiety.
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Speaker 2: And then it was like brain fog. It was like
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Speaker 2: I couldn't read anymore, I couldn't think anymore. I would
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Speaker 2: get off. I remember I couldn't even like pick clothing
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Speaker 2: in the morning, like it would be just almost overwhelming
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Speaker 2: to me. I'd get anxious. I couldn't drive, and like
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Speaker 2: if a yellow light came, I couldn't even make a
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Speaker 2: decision whether to stop or go. I wasn't adapting to
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Speaker 2: any stress, even loud noise like we had two young
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Speaker 2: kids and like screaming kid or child baby, like oh
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Speaker 2: my god, I would literally have to leave the house
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Speaker 2: or she would. Because I also had like extreme irritability,
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Speaker 2: like massive mood changes. I became someone who I wasn't
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Speaker 2: and it was horrible. And then my gut went like
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Speaker 2: many people, and I was chasing foods like many people.
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Speaker 2: But you know, I had the thyroid symptoms, right, I
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Speaker 2: had my hair was thinning. It was like, matter of fact,
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Speaker 2: that was a whole thing because I saw hair in
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Speaker 2: the drain and I thought it was my wife's and
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Speaker 2: she said, that's your hair, and I literally to prove
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Speaker 2: her wrong, I pulled out it was my hair. I
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Speaker 2: was this short and so but I was, you know,
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Speaker 2: losing muscle, skinny skinny fat. It was like my metabolism changed.
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Speaker 2: I mean, all these bad things that I never had.
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Speaker 2: And I knew my thyroid and adrenals were shot, but
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Speaker 2: when I would try to address them, things would you know,
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Speaker 2: some things would get worse, some things might have gotten better.
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Speaker 2: But the odd thing too, is like my blood work
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Speaker 2: was still normal.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: It was like so that was very frustrating for me.
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Speaker 2: And there's a reason for that, because you know, it
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Speaker 2: takes ten twenty years oftentimes with thyroid dysfunction and adrenal
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Speaker 2: dysfunction before it actually shows up in blood work. And
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Speaker 2: then once it does, of course we can medicate it
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Speaker 2: and make the blood work normal, but we don't feel
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Speaker 2: well because the hormones have to get in the cell
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Speaker 2: for us to actually feel well. Doctors don't tell us that.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, part of what I teach, but The bottom
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Speaker 2: line is is that I finally figured out what was
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Speaker 2: going on upstream of my thighyroid, my adrenals, my hormones,
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Speaker 2: and all the symptoms. And then once I got to that,
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Speaker 2: it led me to getting my life back and everything
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Speaker 2: I teach. As I pointed out, so.
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Speaker 1: Dan, what is it about you? Do you think that
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Speaker 1: caused your blood work to be normal? And is this
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Speaker 1: typical of other people too? That they get the normal
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Speaker 1: results but yet they don't feel well.
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Speaker 2: Very typical, you know. People will say I have all
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Speaker 2: these symptoms of thyroid, right, and again it depends on
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Speaker 2: how long they lived with a symptoms. If they go
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Speaker 2: you know within the first five ten years, that your
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Speaker 2: blood work probably will be normal. But what happens is
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Speaker 2: hormones have to If this is a cell and we
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Speaker 2: have eighty trillion of these in our body, on every cell,
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Speaker 2: there's receptors like you know, kind of like a cell phone. Right,
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Speaker 2: you have a cell phone, but it has to connect
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Speaker 2: to a tower that's the receptor, right, and then the
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Speaker 2: cell phone works. We can get our message across, right,
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Speaker 2: But if there's no cell phone tower, something's blocking the
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Speaker 2: signal like a big cement wall. Then guess what, your
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Speaker 2: cell phone doesn't work. It doesn't matter, you know, if
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Speaker 2: you have a thousand dollars cell phone or not. But okay,
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Speaker 2: so the receptors act as those cell phone towers. Hormones
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Speaker 2: have to bind to those and then they themselves get
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Speaker 2: their message in the cell or you get themselves in
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Speaker 2: the cell, and then everything works fine. But what if
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Speaker 2: something's blocking like the cell phone example, right, what if
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Speaker 2: something's blocking that receptor. Well, that's what happens and neurotoxic individuals.
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Speaker 2: That was me. I didn't know it at the time.
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Speaker 2: Toxins drive cellular inflammation. They even damage these receptors, and
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Speaker 2: so imagine blood workout here can be normal. But if
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Speaker 2: the cell, if the receptor can't I'm sorry, the hormone
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Speaker 2: can't get in the cell. It doesn't matter. It's called
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Speaker 2: store syndrome or hormone resistance, right, It doesn't matter what
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Speaker 2: your hormone levels are. If the cells so inflamed and damaged,
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Speaker 2: it can't get in. Blood levels are irrelevant. And again
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Speaker 2: people are trying to take hormones. It kind of works
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Speaker 2: in the beginning because you kind of force more hormone
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Speaker 2: in the cell, but then it works less and less
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Speaker 2: and less, and it's like shouting in our kids. Right,
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Speaker 2: It's like, in the beginning it kind of works. People
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Speaker 2: that have kids understand this. People that don't don't. It
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Speaker 2: doesn't work. And you know, after you keep going, right,
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Speaker 2: it works in the beginning, and then they just don't
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Speaker 2: even hear you anymore. It's the same with taking hormones.
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Speaker 2: So many people, you know take hormones and it's like, gosh, yeah,
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Speaker 2: it kind of it made my blood work better, but
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Speaker 2: I don't feel better. I'm still gaining weight, I still
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Speaker 2: have no energy, my hair is still thinning, I still
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Speaker 2: have brain fog, and my gut still doesn't work, you know.
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Speaker 2: But the fact is is it's a cellular problem, not
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Speaker 2: necessarily a hormone problem. That's the answer.
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Speaker 1: So is there any way to test the cellular efficacy
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Speaker 1: at that stage if somebody had said to you, we
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Speaker 1: can do a test to see what the inflammation of
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Speaker 1: your cells are, is there any such tests that would
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Speaker 1: help you to kind of, you know, do the speed
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Speaker 1: bump over the issue.
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Speaker 2: The good news is like when I went and got
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Speaker 2: all these tests on, I spent like, you know, four
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Speaker 2: five thousand dollars worth of blood works it was like
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Speaker 2: five and came back normal. There's a cell there's a
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Speaker 2: test that tests just for cellular inflammation very specifically what
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Speaker 2: test clout. It's we call it a cellular inflammation test kit.
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Speaker 2: It's but it's a melandela hyde test. So it's testing
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Speaker 2: for something called melandelda hyde, which is when your cell
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Speaker 2: membranes are inflamed, it basically gives off it's lipid prooxidation.
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Speaker 2: It gives off melandela hyde, and so it's very accurately
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Speaker 2: tested to see if you have cellular inflammation. If you do,
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Speaker 2: you're someone who probably tried everything and go. It doesn't work,
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Speaker 2: even diet change, right, because when your cells are inflamed,
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Speaker 2: you can't get the good stuff in. And then here's
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Speaker 2: the bigger problem. You start to build up toxins in
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Speaker 2: the cell because they can't get out because the membrane's inflamed.
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Speaker 2: And the number one cause of cellular inflammation are certain
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Speaker 2: toxins right that I didn't realize I was exposed to.
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Speaker 2: But then the toxins build up in the cell, and
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Speaker 2: now your DNA starts getting triggered. You start it's called epigenetics.
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Speaker 2: They turn on your bad genes Now you trigger the
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Speaker 2: thyroid condition, the diabetes, the other hormone conditions, and the
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Speaker 2: cell becomes more and more inflame. Now you don't hear estrogen,
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Speaker 2: Now you don't hear progesterone testosterone. So now you start
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Speaker 2: cellular inflammation, now at least we know, Okay, this is
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's probably some melandlda high testing. You
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Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, So if somebody has a chronic uti or
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Speaker 1: some candida of you know, some yeast infection, what will
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Speaker 1: that do to the results of that cellular test.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, ironically it wouldn't change it much. But
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Speaker 2: you know, right before you take the test, because that
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Speaker 2: actually can drive Acute inflammation is actually good a good thing.
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Speaker 2: Chronic inflammation is not. So we don't want to drive
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Speaker 2: you know, an inflammatory process before you take the test.
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Speaker 2: That could temporarily get a spike in aldehydes.
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Speaker 1: So what do you contribute the I mean the cellular
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Speaker 1: inflammation in our society to what are the root causes
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Speaker 1: of that result?
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Speaker 2: Many people that it's a great question. I said, toxin
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Speaker 2: specific toxins are the number one. But there's some other things, right,
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Speaker 2: A lot of glucose spikes. People that standard American diet
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Speaker 2: glucose up, insulin up down, insulin up, glucose up down,
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Speaker 2: that will drive cellular inflammation, right, and you know that's
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Speaker 2: evident by a lot of people in an inflamed state.
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Speaker 2: And many of you are like, I changed my diet,
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Speaker 2: you know my cells may be still inflamed. Okay, well
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Speaker 2: that's probably a neurotoxic thing. Also, you hear a lot
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Speaker 2: of talk about bad fats, seed oils, canol, or oil,
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Speaker 2: vegetab oil. They make their way into our cell membranes
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Speaker 2: and they stay there for a long time, not hours,
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Speaker 2: not days, months, and they drive they can drive inflammation.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, I I want to say this
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Speaker 2: because there's a lot of confusion about seed oils. Most
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Speaker 2: seed oil in even a health food store is bad.
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Speaker 2: The reason is because it's in processed foods and it
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Speaker 2: doesn't take heat. Okay, so that's true. That said, a
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Speaker 2: seed oil can be made good with a cold press process,
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Speaker 2: and it can be very delicately handled and be good.
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Speaker 2: Omega six in our space has a bad rap. The
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Speaker 2: reason why is because we ingest too much canola oil,
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Speaker 2: vegetab oil, grain fed me. Okay, so I get that.
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Speaker 2: That said, the reason it can be so bad when
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Speaker 2: it's denatured. That means it's damaged, which goes into the
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Speaker 2: membranes and drives inflammation. But the reason why it's so
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Speaker 2: dangerous and bad is because omega six is the most
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Speaker 2: important fat in the cell membrane. People don't know that
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Speaker 2: omega three is important. They're both essential fatty acids, but
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Speaker 2: omega six in the membrane is actually more important. Therefore
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Speaker 2: it's more dangerous when you get an adulterated form. Does
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Speaker 2: that make people in our space? They don't understand that.
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Speaker 2: Everyone's like, I just had someone say, oh, I thought
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Speaker 2: omega six was bad. I said, no, adulterated meaning rancid.
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Speaker 2: Omega six is bad, but good Omega six is even
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Speaker 2: more important. And when we're fixing somebody's cell membrane to
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Speaker 2: help fix their hormones. We actually target very specific healthy
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Speaker 2: omega six and oftentimes some of it that's used in
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Speaker 2: seed oils. But for the you know, most people watching
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Speaker 2: this avoid seed oils in stores because it's all processed, right,
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Speaker 2: and avoid vegetable and voidcanol oil, you know, but we
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Speaker 2: need to get good omega six. So and by the way,
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Speaker 2: just to give a little fat education, the more double
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Speaker 2: bonds in a fat, the more hey look at that,
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Speaker 2: I sent off a confetti when I the more double bonds,
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Speaker 2: the more fragile fat. So when you hear about saturated
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Speaker 2: fat like in tallow butter, gee, those are fats that
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Speaker 2: we can cook with because they're very stable. They're saturated,
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Speaker 2: I mean, they don't have any double bonds. The more
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Speaker 2: double bonds, the more fragile. So something like omega three,
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Speaker 2: you know, seed oils, Mega six, Omega three, they can
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Speaker 2: both be seed oils, but they have three double bonds,
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Speaker 2: which makes them more fragile. And by the way, fish oil,
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Speaker 2: I'm not a fan because it has You take a
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Speaker 2: Mega three and you break it down into EPA and DHA,
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Speaker 2: and that's what you find in fish oil. Well, EPA
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Speaker 2: has five double bonds. Way, more fragile, and Dha has six.
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Speaker 2: When I love fish oil when it's in fish. I
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Speaker 2: love vegetab oil when it's in vegetables, but you know
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Speaker 2: there it's very stable, but you have to be careful
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Speaker 2: when you pulled away.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's a pretty revolutionary statement about the fish oils
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Speaker 1: because everybody, I mean if you look online or even
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Speaker 1: just in all the research that you see with doctors
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Speaker 1: who are dealing with inflammation, they're all telling you to
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Speaker 1: do to use fish.
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Speaker 2: Well, listen, everyone went pro fish oil when Big Pharma
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Speaker 2: gout into fish oil, and then all of a sudden
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Speaker 2: it became the greatest thing. Before that, there was a
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Speaker 2: lot of critics. But if you look at the Cochrane Collaboration,
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Speaker 2: this is an organization that I always love going to
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Speaker 2: for studies. Here's why. If there's making up numbers, if
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Speaker 2: there's three thousand studies on fish oil, there's probably more,
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Speaker 2: but whatever, for the sake of the argument, they'll look
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Speaker 2: at those three thousand. They have a big group of
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Speaker 2: people that do this and they'll narrow it down to
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Speaker 2: say one hundred that they feel are good studies. Right,
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Speaker 2: They're not being pushed by someone who owns fish oil.
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Speaker 2: They're done, they're double blind. They're actually really good studies.
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Speaker 2: They'll take that one hundred and to evaluate the results,
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Speaker 2: and they come up with a conclusion. Every time fish
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Speaker 2: oil is studied by the Cochrane collaboration, whether it be
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Speaker 2: heart disease, cancer, doesn't matter, it comes out to be
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Speaker 2: a big negative. And the reason is because it's fragile.
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Speaker 2: It's ox even when it goes in your mouth, it
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Speaker 2: goes rancid. So fish oil is more remember five and
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Speaker 2: six double bonds, more fragile than seed oil. And everyone's
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Speaker 2: running from seed oils, which they should be concerned, but
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Speaker 2: they shall should also be very concerned, more concerned about
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Speaker 2: fish oil. Eat fish.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so, but in fish, you have to be very
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Speaker 1: careful that you're not getting the mercury.
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Speaker 2: Eat small fish. You know that, you know, wild caught,
19:27
Speaker 2: never atlantic, arm raised, never large, right, and yes, logic
19:34
Speaker 2: and by the way, yeah exactly. And by the way,
19:37
Speaker 2: you don't need the E p A and d h A.
19:41
Speaker 2: Your body will make it. That's why they're not essential
19:43
Speaker 2: fatty acids.
19:46
Speaker 1: Okay, but okay, so let's let's tell everybody stop right
19:50
Speaker 1: here for a moment, go to your cabinet, get rid
19:54
Speaker 1: of safflower oil, canola oil, sunflower oil, any oils that
20:00
Speaker 1: are not avocado mc T or coconut oil, and or
20:06
Speaker 1: olive oil, which is you know, kind of the kingpin.
20:09
Speaker 1: And in the olive oil pin, a whole other can
20:12
Speaker 1: of worms because so much of olive oil is adulterated,
20:15
Speaker 1: so you have to be really really careful to buy
20:18
Speaker 1: the correct olive oil. And do you have a favorite
20:21
Speaker 1: olive oil.
20:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, if if you go to the olive oil Hunter,
20:27
Speaker 2: he gets a first pressed olive oil Jason, and it's fantastic. Yeah, yeah,
20:34
Speaker 2: it's great. You can order it a lot.
20:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one I'd like to and and the
20:40
Speaker 1: I went I also went to olive oil Lovers or
20:45
Speaker 1: something like that. There's another there's another one that's like
20:48
Speaker 1: the the one that you and I both love.
20:51
Speaker 2: But and if you're going to if you're gonna heat
20:53
Speaker 2: something a lot, he's tallow or gee again, baturated back right,
20:58
Speaker 2: no double bonds right, so stable in heat.
21:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. So I never cooked with olive oil.
21:04
Speaker 1: This is something that people don't realize. It's a high
21:07
Speaker 1: heat will create free radicals, so you're better off putting
21:11
Speaker 1: your olive oil on your salads or on you know,
21:15
Speaker 1: a piece of bread after it's been sour dough. Bread
21:19
Speaker 1: with olive oil is amazing, but after it's been cooked
21:23
Speaker 1: or baked, if you're going to heat it. But the
21:27
Speaker 1: thing with olive oil is to always buy a glass
21:29
Speaker 1: bottle if you can, and always look for first cold press, organic,
21:36
Speaker 1: first cold press. Is that how you do it?
21:38
Speaker 2: Yep, that's the best. And you know, obviously, you know,
21:42
Speaker 2: you know, know your brand. There was a time and
21:43
Speaker 2: a lot of it's coming in from Italy and Spain
21:46
Speaker 2: was cut as well to save money, so you had to,
21:49
Speaker 2: you know, you had to be concerned even about that.
21:51
Speaker 2: The old days you could just buy it from Italy
21:53
Speaker 2: and you'd be good. Right, And again what is olive oil?
21:56
Speaker 2: Olive oil is a motto unsaturated fat, right, less double bonds. Right.
22:01
Speaker 2: So again, less double bonds the more stable, right. So
22:05
Speaker 2: three to one, five and six official, y'all had a
22:08
Speaker 2: good education today.
22:10
Speaker 1: Well, but so if you're gonna buy butter, make sure
22:12
Speaker 1: it's grass fed. And the beef callo also grass fed,
22:17
Speaker 1: grass finished.
22:18
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you?
22:20
Speaker 1: So yeah, that Costco is carrying the beef tallo. Now
22:24
Speaker 1: I think it's in a glass bottle. I'm pretty sure
22:26
Speaker 1: I saw it.
22:26
Speaker 2: Make sure it's in glass, Yeah, exactly. And you know,
22:29
Speaker 2: I was very disappointed. Mamovation did a study test I
22:36
Speaker 2: don't know it called a study, but they tested a
22:39
Speaker 2: bunch of oils, avocado oils, all of oils. Beef tallows Epic,
22:45
Speaker 2: one of my favorite beef tallos came out that have
22:47
Speaker 2: the highest level of microplastics. I was so bummed out
22:51
Speaker 2: about that. So the company, I had my team right
22:54
Speaker 2: the company, and we got a canned response back because
22:57
Speaker 2: what I said, in all fairness, I said, here was
22:59
Speaker 2: the study. Have you done your own independence study? Is
23:02
Speaker 2: this true? Right? I gave the bailout. We've got a
23:04
Speaker 2: canned response back from General Mills who bought them.
23:08
Speaker 1: Well, that right there tells you the reason why you
23:10
Speaker 1: got a can response.
23:12
Speaker 2: We take our products. It was a canned response, you know,
23:15
Speaker 2: and like, so I was bombed. So I was like, well,
23:18
Speaker 2: you know, probably not going to be buying that product anymore.
23:21
Speaker 2: Paleo Valley tested very well. Yeah that's a good one.
23:24
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, in coconut oil again, glass pottle. But always
23:29
Speaker 1: get the if you're not going to do mcte and
23:32
Speaker 1: you just want to do cocona oil. Actually, coconut oil
23:35
Speaker 1: has a great flavor when you cook it, and you
23:37
Speaker 1: can do a high flash pint.
23:39
Speaker 2: I like cocon oil and certain things because there's a taste, right,
23:42
Speaker 2: it is a sweet taste. Avocado oil takes heat better.
23:47
Speaker 2: It doesn't have as much of a taste, right, And
23:49
Speaker 2: then the tallow I don't know that. People probably would
23:54
Speaker 2: argue that maybe that has a flavor and a taste.
23:56
Speaker 2: Gee definitely has a flavor and a taste. Yeah, to
23:59
Speaker 2: use these fats that take heat with what you like, right,
24:02
Speaker 2: You know, a good chef or cook will utilize stable
24:05
Speaker 2: fats with you know, foods that that flavor goes with, right.
24:12
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well that's really a good primer in oil. So
24:15
Speaker 1: we're good.
24:16
Speaker 2: The only thing is we didn't think we're gonna get
24:18
Speaker 2: into that. But you got a good education there.
24:20
Speaker 1: Yes. And the thing is, though I just went and
24:22
Speaker 1: bought Carlson's cod liver oil. I didn't buy the liquid
24:26
Speaker 1: because I didn't think I could swallow it. But I'm
24:28
Speaker 1: not too good at swallowing oils. But that's just me,
24:32
Speaker 1: you know, not some people find it no problem. But
24:36
Speaker 1: what do you think of cod liver oil? So I
24:39
Speaker 1: bought it in capsules from Carlson's.
24:41
Speaker 2: I don't like fish oil again, so just that cord liver.
24:45
Speaker 1: No.
24:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, even if it's stable in the pill, right, which
24:51
Speaker 2: probably not, but let's give it. Let's say that they
24:53
Speaker 2: make it stable when it goes into your body. Your
24:57
Speaker 2: body has to utilize antioxidants even to make sure that
25:03
Speaker 2: it stays in that stable form. Remember cold you know,
25:06
Speaker 2: it's in cold fish for a reason. It's like ana freeze.
25:10
Speaker 2: I mean, that's really you know what it is. And
25:12
Speaker 2: so it should stay in fish where it's protected and
25:16
Speaker 2: then get your you know, get it that way, you know,
25:18
Speaker 2: or the fish eggs row is very healthy, you know.
25:21
Speaker 2: So I'm not against taking a little extra DHA, but
25:24
Speaker 2: make sure you get it in the fish or the
25:26
Speaker 2: row somewhere where it's still protected. In the way it is. Again,
25:30
Speaker 2: it's no different than vegetab oil, except it's more fragile
25:32
Speaker 2: than vegetable oil. But again all for vegetab oil in
25:35
Speaker 2: vegetables where it's protected. You take it out of vegetables
25:38
Speaker 2: and it's bad.
25:40
Speaker 1: You know. I noticed though that sardines and some of
25:42
Speaker 1: the stores are in seed oils. Why would they do that.
25:46
Speaker 1: They're taking a very good source of just money. Yeah,
25:51
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's much cheaper, right than to put
25:54
Speaker 1: it in olive oil. So again, if you're going to
25:56
Speaker 1: buy the smaller fish, not the big pelagics like swordfish ahi.
26:01
Speaker 1: But if you're buying the smaller fish, you know, well,
26:04
Speaker 1: wildcat salmon is okay. I think wildcot cod is okay.
26:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, yeah exactly. And again, I love
26:13
Speaker 2: sardines to your point. If I'm going to get some
26:16
Speaker 2: extra d H A H E p A, I'm gonna
26:20
Speaker 2: definitely choose sardines. But I also love wildcat salmon some
26:23
Speaker 2: other fish. Right, So I enjoy fish. I don't eat
26:26
Speaker 2: a ton of it.
26:27
Speaker 1: But so so going back to the process, So let's
26:32
Speaker 1: start the sell. The cell is the key to your health.
26:36
Speaker 1: If the cell is unhealthy, you're going to be unhealthy.
26:39
Speaker 1: So cell your energy, the mitochondria, the being the and
26:43
Speaker 1: the ATP being the energy of the cell. So I've
26:48
Speaker 1: I've just wondered, how can you people know whether or
26:52
Speaker 1: not and you're telling us now that they can know
26:54
Speaker 1: that their cells are healthy darkfield microscopyase, does that actually
27:00
Speaker 1: tell you enough that you wouldn't have to do those
27:03
Speaker 1: to the test.
27:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm not a huge fan of it,
27:08
Speaker 2: and I you know, I know some people are, and
27:11
Speaker 2: you know it's you know, I'm just looking at a
27:14
Speaker 2: limited scope of cells. Yeah, I think, you know, bring
27:18
Speaker 2: you some information, but I just wouldn't you know, hang
27:21
Speaker 2: every hat on it, right, So yeah, you know, look,
27:25
Speaker 2: I to your point. The mitochondria in the cell is
27:30
Speaker 2: a critical component of why people don't feel well. Like
27:33
Speaker 2: we talk about the outer cell membrane and toxins. You know,
27:37
Speaker 2: we can talk about some of these toxins that are
27:40
Speaker 2: just not normal toxins that drive so much cellular inflammation.
27:43
Speaker 2: But the other membranes, the intro in the cell membranes,
27:48
Speaker 2: intracellular membranes like the mitochondrial membrane. Literally those membranes even
27:53
Speaker 2: into mitochondria, is how we the electron transport chain, how
27:58
Speaker 2: we make energy. Literally, Herman, by the health of those membranes.
28:02
Speaker 2: They're saying, it's it's not my saying, but life and
28:05
Speaker 2: death begins on the membranes. Yeah, you can tell someone's
28:09
Speaker 2: health and by their membranes, meaning like if you look
28:13
Speaker 2: at someone and they look healthy, they've got good memories.
28:16
Speaker 2: If they're aging slowly, I guarantee you they have good membranes.
28:20
Speaker 2: Right when people are aging prematurely, they don't look good.
28:23
Speaker 2: They have their membranes are suffering. You know, life and
28:26
Speaker 2: death begins on the membrane, and so does hormone health
28:30
Speaker 2: and so and again, not just the outer membrane where
28:32
Speaker 2: your hormone receptors are, but those inner membranes that are
28:35
Speaker 2: vital for making energy and vital for us being efficient
28:39
Speaker 2: fat burners. And you know, yeah, it's really.
28:42
Speaker 1: So basically from what you said, Dan, Giant is obviously
28:47
Speaker 1: very very important. And the environment that we live in
28:53
Speaker 1: is so toxic with the EMF and the pesticides that
28:57
Speaker 1: are sprayed on the food and the water that's tegedd,
29:00
Speaker 1: And it just seems like such an uphill battle to
29:04
Speaker 1: keep your cellular energy healthy to start with a strong foundation,
29:11
Speaker 1: which is going to help you with all the other
29:14
Speaker 1: protocols that you're proposing. So in your case, how did
29:19
Speaker 1: you who helped you to find that the root cause?
29:26
Speaker 2: Okay, this is gonna sound trite, it's but when I
29:30
Speaker 2: say it, I honestly need it. I mean, Okay, God
29:35
Speaker 2: led me to every answer that I have today, and
29:38
Speaker 2: I teach something called my five RS. My five RS
29:41
Speaker 2: became a roadmap of what I taught doctors for twenty
29:45
Speaker 2: some years, meaning this is how you fix the cell.
29:48
Speaker 2: I remember I was doing a lecture in California, and
29:53
Speaker 2: I was so excited, you know, about teaching the principle
29:58
Speaker 2: of cellular healing, and teaching the principle like this is
30:02
Speaker 2: why people don't feel well, this is why, this is
30:04
Speaker 2: where real detoks is. We want to get people well today, doctors,
30:08
Speaker 2: we have to fix this. And I'm talking about the
30:10
Speaker 2: mitochondria and that the science around the cell membranes and
30:13
Speaker 2: you know, raising the cell energy and everything the methylation pathways.
30:18
Speaker 2: And these are doctors, and I could tell they weren't
30:21
Speaker 2: as excited as me. I could tell they weren't getting it.
30:23
Speaker 2: So I got on. I was on the airplane on
30:26
Speaker 2: the way home, and I literally prayed out of frustration,
30:29
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, sorry, my dogs, All of
30:32
Speaker 2: a sudden, these answers started coming, and I started writing
30:35
Speaker 2: it down. The five ARS was born, and the five
30:38
Speaker 2: ars is that roadmap of how you do And from
30:40
Speaker 2: that day on, I started teaching from the five RS
30:44
Speaker 2: and you know from this roadmap, and now the public
30:46
Speaker 2: gets it, and it really is like, this is what
30:49
Speaker 2: these pathways in the cell that are breaking? Why are
30:52
Speaker 2: they breaking? And when I say that, meaning God put
30:55
Speaker 2: pathways in our cells that get rid of toxins. Every
30:57
Speaker 2: day when you make energy in that cell, it's like
30:59
Speaker 2: burning would in a fireplace. You make smoke and if
31:02
Speaker 2: the damper's not open, it builds up. And when those
31:05
Speaker 2: toxins build up, we die of the smoke coming in
31:07
Speaker 2: the house, out the flames. We die of that. Right there,
31:11
Speaker 2: our energy starts to go down. We don't feel well,
31:14
Speaker 2: nothing works because these toxins are building up in that cell.
31:18
Speaker 2: And you know that's what the five RS does, is
31:21
Speaker 2: it upregulates these pathways. It gets these toxins moving again.
31:25
Speaker 2: And that's what.
31:26
Speaker 1: I've taught and that's what are what are the five rs?
31:29
Speaker 2: Very quickly? Our number one is you have to remove
31:32
Speaker 2: the sources. And I want to talk about three sources
31:36
Speaker 2: that most even alternative doctors miss in people's lives. But
31:40
Speaker 2: it's like this, if there's a bathtub upstairs and right
31:45
Speaker 2: the water's overflowing, Okay, that's like the toxins in causing damage.
31:50
Speaker 2: That's the symptoms that we don't like and the diagnosis
31:53
Speaker 2: that we get right, It's like, well, first thing we
31:55
Speaker 2: have to do is slow the water down that's coming
31:58
Speaker 2: in now today, we can't turn it off. There's toxins
32:01
Speaker 2: coming into us. No matter what we do, we can
32:03
Speaker 2: always slow it down. And then we have to open
32:06
Speaker 2: up the drains. And that's what my process does. It
32:09
Speaker 2: opens up the drains to lower that. Now, if I
32:11
Speaker 2: had two glasses of water here, one filled to the top,
32:15
Speaker 2: they imagine that right where I'm using memory, If people
32:17
Speaker 2: are listening, I have two glasses of water, imagine that
32:20
Speaker 2: one filled right to the top. And if I just
32:22
Speaker 2: stress it a little bit, just shake it. Imagine the
32:25
Speaker 2: water overflowing like that bathtub, causing damage in problems, right,
32:29
Speaker 2: with just a little bit of stress, and then the
32:31
Speaker 2: other one is filled just maybe one third. I can
32:34
Speaker 2: shake that one. I can stress it a lot, and
32:36
Speaker 2: there's no problems. Right. So we have to empty that bucket.
32:40
Speaker 2: But that's every cell in our body. We have to
32:43
Speaker 2: get those pathways working, and then when we do that,
32:45
Speaker 2: we create cells like that glass that's only one third full.
32:48
Speaker 2: That's how I got my life back and certain toxins
32:51
Speaker 2: are called neurotoxins, and neurotoxins really fill that bucket and
32:56
Speaker 2: drive cellular inflammation. But quickly the answer question our number
33:00
Speaker 2: two regenerate the cell membranes. I kind of already taught
33:03
Speaker 2: on that just a little bit. How important that is
33:05
Speaker 2: to make energy, how important it is to detox, how
33:07
Speaker 2: important is to get good things in, bad things out,
33:10
Speaker 2: how important it is to for our hormone receptors to
33:13
Speaker 2: work right, so membranes, life and death begins there. Our
33:17
Speaker 2: number three is restoring cell energy. If you don't restore
33:20
Speaker 2: cell energy, your cells shut down everything, your detox pathways.
33:24
Speaker 2: They become more and more toxic. A matter of fact,
33:26
Speaker 2: there's a principle called Gibbs free energy. As energy drops,
33:30
Speaker 2: inflammation goes up in something called blue to thione how
33:33
Speaker 2: your cells clean themselves. Talent energy has determined all that,
33:38
Speaker 2: So I teach strategies and on how to upregulate that.
33:42
Speaker 2: Our four is reducing cellular inflammation. You've heard inflammation is
33:49
Speaker 2: the cause of everything from cancer, mormone problems. That's why
33:52
Speaker 2: we measure it. First thing we do well, we have
33:55
Speaker 2: to reduce that. R five is re establishing something called methylation.
33:59
Speaker 2: Methylation is how we turned good genes on, bad genes off.
34:02
Speaker 2: Methylation is how we protect our genes. Methylation is how
34:05
Speaker 2: we get rid of toxic hormones and even toxins in
34:08
Speaker 2: the south. So those are the five rs, and certain
34:11
Speaker 2: talks that we're posed to today are depleting those pathways,
34:15
Speaker 2: and then we get sick and we try everything and
34:18
Speaker 2: nothing works.
34:19
Speaker 1: So what if genetically you are a slow methy later,
34:24
Speaker 1: how do you overcome as the genetic part that could
34:28
Speaker 1: be slowing down all that you just talked about.
34:32
Speaker 2: I'm glad you asked that, actually, because it's in vogue
34:35
Speaker 2: today to do a lot of snip testing genetic testing,
34:38
Speaker 2: and some people are now defining themselves as bad methy lads.
34:42
Speaker 1: Right.
34:43
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan. I put a lot of time
34:46
Speaker 2: networks studying those pathways, and one thing, as years went on,
34:50
Speaker 2: I became less and less interested. Here's why. Because they
34:54
Speaker 2: kept discovering new pathways that said, oh, well, that pathway
34:56
Speaker 2: goes around that pathway, that pathway goes around. Oh, we
34:59
Speaker 2: discovered a new pathway that supports methylation differently than we thought.
35:03
Speaker 2: It's not as simple as just having the snip the
35:07
Speaker 2: body's innate intelligence figures out and not regulates and compensates
35:11
Speaker 2: with other pathways, and we keep discovering them. So methylation,
35:17
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what really matters. Snips give us ideas
35:21
Speaker 2: and it's funthingprint. It's a blueprint, right, but it's not
35:26
Speaker 2: who we are. DNA is not your destiny. Epigenetics rules
35:30
Speaker 2: meaning there's something above the genes that's more important. But
35:34
Speaker 2: what happens is that when we get stressed physical chemical
35:41
Speaker 2: or emotional methylation tanks. You have the gene the snipper, Non,
35:47
Speaker 2: it is your methylation pathways. The people that aren't methylating
35:52
Speaker 2: or methylating the worst. It's not the gene. It's the
35:54
Speaker 2: fact that they are toxically stressed, emotionally stressed. And yes
35:59
Speaker 2: you'rel deplete it and yes that affects your detox pathways,
36:02
Speaker 2: and yes that affects your DNA and your hormones, et cetera.
36:07
Speaker 1: Well, excuse me. The DNA company where I have a relationship,
36:13
Speaker 1: they call it functional genomics or epigenetics because they say,
36:19
Speaker 1: you know what your genes tell you, and the blueprint
36:23
Speaker 1: is not a life sentence. If it happens to be
36:26
Speaker 1: negative like that, I.
36:29
Speaker 2: Think that's an honest I think that's a more honest
36:31
Speaker 2: approach exactly.
36:32
Speaker 1: And they don't sell your they never sell your data
36:35
Speaker 1: like some of the other ones that have been attacked
36:39
Speaker 1: for their privacy. But that's just a segue. But onto genomics.
36:43
Speaker 1: For genetics for a moment is just you know, know
36:46
Speaker 1: that you can do that test. And in my case,
36:50
Speaker 1: they said I was a slow methy. Later, however, I
36:53
Speaker 1: know just what you just described. There are ways around that,
36:57
Speaker 1: and that's where the epigenetics come in, where your lifestyle
37:02
Speaker 1: is going to make the difference. So was there any
37:05
Speaker 1: one person that help you that is like you are
37:10
Speaker 1: today to other people?
37:13
Speaker 2: You know? I learned from several I could take things
37:18
Speaker 2: like doctor Richie Shoemaker. I learned a lot about mold
37:21
Speaker 2: from him. I got an idea from doctor Richie Shoemaker.
37:25
Speaker 2: He taught used cola styrmine to bind up toxic bile.
37:28
Speaker 2: And one of the issues I was having is when
37:31
Speaker 2: when I was up regulating the cell, a lot of
37:33
Speaker 2: the toxins would go to the liver and bind a
37:35
Speaker 2: bile and redistribute.
37:38
Speaker 1: Well.
37:38
Speaker 2: I learned to use binders in the gut, like cola
37:41
Speaker 2: styramine from doctor Richie Shoemaker. I always give him credit.
37:44
Speaker 2: I learned a lot from a guy I don't know,
37:51
Speaker 2: uh people, Andy Cutler. I don't know if you know him,
37:55
Speaker 2: but I always give him credit for understanding half life
37:58
Speaker 2: of key layers and spoke at some of my seminars.
38:01
Speaker 2: He wasn't a doctor, he was a PhD. Very bright,
38:04
Speaker 2: but he was the only one talking about you can't
38:07
Speaker 2: just take keylators randomly, things like E d T A,
38:11
Speaker 2: DMSA d MPs. You know, kelators have to be taken
38:15
Speaker 2: in a half life to keep the blood levels up.
38:17
Speaker 2: Otherwise you read distribute and get worse. I figured that
38:20
Speaker 2: out the hard way, and then I found some papers
38:24
Speaker 2: that he wrote. I'm like, gush, why is anyone teaching this?
38:27
Speaker 2: He also spoke about things like cilantra uh and weak
38:31
Speaker 2: binders a lot, and I learned that the hard way.
38:34
Speaker 2: I'm like, this guy's right, I always give any credit there,
38:38
Speaker 2: and about fat soluble keylators and you know, just absolutely,
38:43
Speaker 2: you know, brilliant his contribution. And before he died, him
38:47
Speaker 2: and I had conversations about you know, I was saying about, like,
38:51
Speaker 2: you know, my cellular work and you know, how is
38:54
Speaker 2: combining that with his kelation work, and that two were
38:58
Speaker 2: the magic. And he loved my work. That's why he
39:01
Speaker 2: spoke at my seminars, and you know, really putting together
39:06
Speaker 2: how you properly use kelators. Kelators don't detox you. They
39:10
Speaker 2: just make sure you don't redistribute toxins.
39:13
Speaker 1: That's right. That's like quicksilver. You know Quicksilver, uh, doctor
39:18
Speaker 1: Chris Shane, Quicksilver Scientific. So they have an ultrabinder and
39:25
Speaker 1: a liver sauce, but they tell you do not take
39:28
Speaker 1: one without the other because if you take the liver
39:30
Speaker 1: sauce and you stimulate all this excretion, it could go
39:34
Speaker 1: to other parts of the body.
39:35
Speaker 2: So you know, Chris is right, he's right about that.
39:38
Speaker 2: I you know, I give him credit there. And you know,
39:41
Speaker 2: and again I Andy was the first that I knew that.
39:44
Speaker 2: You know that. I'm sure Chris learned from Mandy as well.
39:47
Speaker 2: And he's not with us anymore, but he sure deserves
39:50
Speaker 2: a lot of credit for something that Chris and I
39:53
Speaker 2: both fully understand. Most people do detox very wrong. They
39:56
Speaker 2: don't do it. They don't not regulate the cell. Real detox.
39:59
Speaker 2: This is what you have to fix, this is what's broken.
40:01
Speaker 2: I got my life because I fixed that and got
40:04
Speaker 2: me the five RS, and it's changed millions of people's lives.
40:09
Speaker 2: I'm blessed to teach doctors for twenty years and now
40:13
Speaker 2: she's directly people looking for answers.
40:15
Speaker 1: So once you do the cellular test, do you have
40:18
Speaker 1: to ever do it again? Like in your case? Are
40:21
Speaker 1: you having to always be aware that you might reignite
40:28
Speaker 1: the toxicity in the cuth.
40:31
Speaker 2: But this way, if I was left in a multi
40:33
Speaker 2: home for a period of time, I would drive cellul
40:36
Speaker 2: inflammation pretty quick. I definitely have a sensitivity to that.
40:41
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, people can retest, you know, as they
40:43
Speaker 2: want to see where their progression is.
40:45
Speaker 1: Right.
40:45
Speaker 2: But I actually did do a test not that long
40:49
Speaker 2: ago and it was within normal, thank god. But I
40:52
Speaker 2: knew it would would be. But I don't know why
40:54
Speaker 2: I did that. Oh I did it for an I
40:55
Speaker 2: think I did it for an ad.
40:58
Speaker 1: Well, so let's focus on the thigh and I know
41:01
Speaker 1: we're looking at the global impact of everything first, because
41:05
Speaker 1: that's so important. Unless you fix the cell none of
41:09
Speaker 1: the other things that you teach are going to have
41:12
Speaker 1: a positive result. So you learned that by you know,
41:17
Speaker 1: experimentation and by your own personal involvement in your own recovery.
41:22
Speaker 1: So share with us now downstream with you know a
41:28
Speaker 1: subject that you focus quite a bit on, which is
41:31
Speaker 1: fixing the thyroid. So tell us more. And just before
41:34
Speaker 1: you start, I want to say one thing is I
41:38
Speaker 1: had doctor Amy Horneman, the thyroid fixer. Do you know
41:41
Speaker 1: to Amy?
41:43
Speaker 2: Yes? I love Amy. Oh my gosh, I heard I
41:46
Speaker 2: go way back when I was a chiropractor. She was
41:48
Speaker 2: a massage therapist working for me when I was, you know,
41:51
Speaker 2: practicing chiropractic. What a sweetheart.
41:53
Speaker 1: Oh that's amazing. Well, the one thing that came out
41:56
Speaker 1: of that I cannot forget that came out of that
42:00
Speaker 1: interview with Amy is her famous quote, how do you
42:06
Speaker 1: feel those four words? And like you can do all
42:10
Speaker 1: the things that I teach, but if you, just like
42:13
Speaker 1: in your case, if you still don't feel good, then
42:17
Speaker 1: you haven't fixed the core, the core problem. But anyway,
42:21
Speaker 1: she on the interview, she talks about T two and
42:27
Speaker 1: I was completely taken aback, and I know a lot
42:30
Speaker 1: of my viewers were as well. Because most of the
42:35
Speaker 1: thyroid medications, you know, their focused first they look at
42:39
Speaker 1: your T four, which is your inactive thyroid and then
42:43
Speaker 1: they look at the conversion of T four to T
42:46
Speaker 1: three and are you converting well enough to have enough
42:50
Speaker 1: T three because T three is what you need, is
42:53
Speaker 1: the active form. I don't think a lot of people
42:56
Speaker 1: understand that, Dan, And then comes to T two, which
43:00
Speaker 1: which is the part that nobody seems to know about
43:02
Speaker 1: that except for those who've been treated by you and Amy.
43:05
Speaker 1: So as you start to talk about this, incorporate the
43:09
Speaker 1: T two into your answer, okay, so that people understand
43:14
Speaker 1: what the contribution is of T two to overall thy
43:18
Speaker 1: right health.
43:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's referenced three three five dirox and it has
43:26
Speaker 2: more of an effect even on metabolites metabolism, and it
43:33
Speaker 2: becomes more of the active form and plays into T
43:36
Speaker 2: three more. Right. So you know, the thing that people
43:39
Speaker 2: don't understand about hormones is how they work with each
43:41
Speaker 2: other and conversion. Right. So to your point, if a
43:45
Speaker 2: hormone can't go into the active form, then we don't
43:49
Speaker 2: get a benefit. And if we're just looking at the
43:52
Speaker 2: blood form of say T four, to your point, then
43:56
Speaker 2: well that's only part of the picture, right, So you know,
44:01
Speaker 2: and that's the problem. So when you go to your practitioner,
44:03
Speaker 2: and they give you T four and that's typically what thyroxin, right,
44:08
Speaker 2: and the medication is right you know. Okay, that's has
44:12
Speaker 2: to be converted through a usable form, right, and then
44:16
Speaker 2: you know, so again they're not understanding the role of
44:19
Speaker 2: T two, T three and et cetera and then into
44:22
Speaker 2: the cell. So when I said this before that I
44:25
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about some of the toxins effects on hormones.
44:29
Speaker 2: Here's a big problem, okay for people listening. Again, there's
44:34
Speaker 2: a group. There's two groups of people. Okay, Group number
44:37
Speaker 2: one may like myself. I'll put myself in group one
44:41
Speaker 2: that I have all these symptoms. I go to my
44:44
Speaker 2: doctor and my blood works still normal, Okay. And that's
44:48
Speaker 2: because we're not you know, we're not looking of what's
44:51
Speaker 2: going into the cell. Okay, there's more to that, right,
44:54
Speaker 2: they're only looking at the blood work of maybe TSH,
44:58
Speaker 2: T three four. It's only part of the picture. And
45:01
Speaker 2: they're going, it's normal. You should feel well, I know, well,
45:04
Speaker 2: you don't have a thyroid problem. What based on TSH. Okay,
45:08
Speaker 2: back before the nineteen seventies, actually doctors actually asked how
45:12
Speaker 2: you felt. They didn't care about your TSH level.
45:15
Speaker 1: The TSA level.
45:16
Speaker 2: Really is not a reflection of thyroid health figure because
45:21
Speaker 2: that's the gold standard of blood work. The doctors say
45:25
Speaker 2: they're judging your medication based on one thing called TSH
45:28
Speaker 2: thyroid stimulating hormone. They talk about multiple reasons why that's incorrect. Okay,
45:34
Speaker 2: So the bottom line is that's one group. The second
45:36
Speaker 2: group is people who finally go to their doctor and
45:40
Speaker 2: they look at the magical number of TSH right or
45:43
Speaker 2: T four, and they go, oh, your thyroid hormones are disrupted,
45:47
Speaker 2: so they give you thyroid hormone. You come back a
45:50
Speaker 2: month later, two months later, they look at your blood
45:52
Speaker 2: work because the hormone makes you better in the blood,
45:55
Speaker 2: but you don't feel better. So what matters? To Amy
46:00
Speaker 2: point right, it doesn't matter. It's how you feel is
46:03
Speaker 2: what's matter. Okay, So you know the fact is is
46:06
Speaker 2: you're not getting those hormones in the active form to
46:09
Speaker 2: actually get in the cell. Right, what your levels look like,
46:13
Speaker 2: I don't care, but.
46:14
Speaker 1: Dan, let me interrupt you from moment. Why is it
46:16
Speaker 1: that the medications are all T four and we really
46:22
Speaker 1: need T three and T two?
46:24
Speaker 2: So why is even involved in T two? Is how
46:28
Speaker 2: you involve in lipid metabolism, how you break down fat
46:31
Speaker 2: into energy.
46:31
Speaker 3: Right.
46:32
Speaker 2: Well, because number one, I think some of the testing
46:36
Speaker 2: is a little bit you know, harder to look at,
46:40
Speaker 2: you know, metabolid forms, to look at those hormone forms.
46:43
Speaker 2: So I mean that's probably one reason, and medicine is
46:46
Speaker 2: very difficult to change. But you know, and again I
46:50
Speaker 2: think that when you're looking at T three, some people
46:55
Speaker 2: even take T three. Okay, let me felt and some
46:59
Speaker 2: people measure T three, most doctors measure it. But the
47:02
Speaker 2: problem is is even that it still doesn't matter even
47:06
Speaker 2: if we had the perfect tests, even for T two.
47:09
Speaker 2: It's what's getting in the cell and an inflame cell,
47:13
Speaker 2: hormones don't want to get into the cell, and it
47:15
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what the levels are in the blood. Okay,
47:17
Speaker 2: So that's problem number one. Problem number two, as we
47:20
Speaker 2: already mentioned, is conversion. You have to be able to
47:23
Speaker 2: convert hormones to more active forms of hormones and have
47:26
Speaker 2: the ability to get it in the cell. And when
47:29
Speaker 2: you can't make those conversions, blood levels don't matter. Right,
47:33
Speaker 2: So if you're taking T four and you can't convert
47:35
Speaker 2: it to T three or T two, it doesn't matter, right,
47:39
Speaker 2: No matter how much T four you take. That's the
47:42
Speaker 2: problem over. The third problem is this, there's a control
47:45
Speaker 2: towel that sits in the center of the brain, yes,
47:50
Speaker 2: and that's the one that controls your thyroid colge renals.
47:56
Speaker 2: And then there's another gland that sits right next to
47:59
Speaker 2: it in the brain called the hypothalamus. That that's the
48:02
Speaker 2: receiver that says, hey, we need more T three, we
48:06
Speaker 2: need more TEA two, we need more of this particular hormone.
48:09
Speaker 2: So then it tells the pituitary to you know, to
48:13
Speaker 2: basically release more thyroid stimulating hormone. And then you start
48:18
Speaker 2: to release more hormone and hopefully it gets in the
48:20
Speaker 2: cell all as well, perfect feedback loop. But what if
48:23
Speaker 2: something is wrong with the control tower?
48:27
Speaker 1: That was me?
48:28
Speaker 2: Okay, so I didn't know this. I was trying to
48:30
Speaker 2: fix my thyroid. I was trying to fix my adrenals.
48:33
Speaker 2: I was trying to balance it all out and it
48:36
Speaker 2: wasn't working nothing I was doing, glandular Is this that
48:40
Speaker 2: I was trying it all? Some things would get better,
48:42
Speaker 2: my sleep would oftentimes get worse. I'd get more anxiety,
48:46
Speaker 2: I would get like really bizarre symptoms at times. But hey,
48:49
Speaker 2: I didn't have as much fatigue, but yet life was
48:52
Speaker 2: even worse because I was like neurotic. Okay, So the
48:55
Speaker 2: problem I figured out. I'm like, wait a minute, it's
48:59
Speaker 2: my control tower. I'm getting bad information in and bad
49:01
Speaker 2: information out. But I just didn't know what. So to
49:05
Speaker 2: wrap my full story up, I realized I had accumulated
49:08
Speaker 2: mercury in my pituitary silver fillings fIF mercury that mercury
49:16
Speaker 2: vaporizes Guess where study show pituitary hypothalamus. A lot of
49:21
Speaker 2: people's hormone dysregulation can be mercury, and now even aluminum.
49:27
Speaker 2: Mercury and aluminum have.
49:28
Speaker 1: A nasty sin. And what about lead?
49:30
Speaker 2: Lead is another neurotoxin. My wife was lead poison and
49:34
Speaker 2: had hormone problems for years that her methylation was tanked,
49:39
Speaker 2: building up toxic hormones, developing cancer just like her mother.
49:43
Speaker 2: But the problem wasn't her methylation. We tried picking up
49:46
Speaker 2: her methylation to get rid of the toxic estrogen, but
49:49
Speaker 2: the problem wasn't that the problem was the lead depleting
49:53
Speaker 2: her methylation. And once we dealt with our lead or
49:55
Speaker 2: methylation came up, our toxic hormones balanced. So yes, lead
49:58
Speaker 2: is a problem. But in that tuitary hypothalamus, mercury and
50:02
Speaker 2: aluminum are a big problem, and there's multiple sources today
50:06
Speaker 2: the silver fillings, you know, the number one source is moms.
50:10
Speaker 2: There's a study called the Dirash study. That German study
50:14
Speaker 2: showed ladies, the number of fillings in your mouth or
50:17
Speaker 2: moms is proportional to how much mercury they found in
50:20
Speaker 2: the baby's brains. And that was an autopsy study, so
50:23
Speaker 2: it was very accurate. But that's the first load we
50:27
Speaker 2: get is from mom's fillings in utero into the baby's brain,
50:31
Speaker 2: and then we started accumulating our own through multiple sources.
50:35
Speaker 2: I also wore contact lenses in the seventies, eighties, early nineties.
50:40
Speaker 2: Thimerisol was in the saline solution. It was going right
50:44
Speaker 2: into our brains from our optic nerve. Of course, I
50:47
Speaker 2: went through a time where I was eating tuna, a
50:49
Speaker 2: ton of tuna because I thought I was healthy. So
50:52
Speaker 2: I had a lot of mercury sources. And I was
50:54
Speaker 2: also living in a low grade MOULDI home. Mold produces
50:58
Speaker 2: a nasty biotops in the place hell with the hypothalamus,
51:02
Speaker 2: and that's the receiver.
51:04
Speaker 1: Is that why people with long COVID are having so
51:07
Speaker 1: many problems with the symptoms that you that you had
51:11
Speaker 1: because the thimerisol and the COVID vaccine that they claim
51:15
Speaker 1: was you know, just not even significant, but yet so
51:19
Speaker 1: many people have had lasting bad results. They calling it
51:25
Speaker 1: long covid. Is that do you think that has an
51:28
Speaker 1: influence on the mercury has an influence on that long
51:32
Speaker 1: covid symptoms.
51:34
Speaker 2: There's something called a siular danger response that many people
51:38
Speaker 2: who got COVID got the vaccine from COVID end up
51:42
Speaker 2: in it. It is basically the body thinks it's going
51:46
Speaker 2: to save your life. Your mighty chondrea has two roles.
51:48
Speaker 2: We only learned one in school. It was to make
51:50
Speaker 2: energy right the powerhouse of the cell. Well, the mighty
51:53
Speaker 2: chondria has a second role, and arguably you have equally
51:57
Speaker 2: important role, and it is a basically surveillance, cellular surveillance
52:04
Speaker 2: to see when you're in danger. It will pull back
52:07
Speaker 2: the energy in the cell, send out signaling molecules called
52:11
Speaker 2: amps and damps and pamps, and what it does is
52:15
Speaker 2: to save your life. It actually even starts to slow
52:18
Speaker 2: down the thyroid. So a lot of thyroid conditions developed
52:21
Speaker 2: because of this. Cellular danger response via the mitochondria doing
52:25
Speaker 2: what it was designed to do. The problem is is
52:28
Speaker 2: when you have a short term stressor like the flu,
52:30
Speaker 2: your energy shuts down, your body comes out of it,
52:33
Speaker 2: and it normalizes. With COVID it didn't, and a lot
52:38
Speaker 2: of people even kept producing spike proteins, kept cellular danger response.
52:43
Speaker 2: It's called disautonomia. It's another word for it where all
52:47
Speaker 2: your hormones are dysregulated. But it really starts ats sell
52:50
Speaker 2: your mitochondria is stuck in a cellular danger response.
52:56
Speaker 1: You know, they just signally that we only have four minutes,
52:59
Speaker 1: and I have so any more questions. So I want
53:01
Speaker 1: to skip ahead to something that I think is very
53:05
Speaker 1: important for my viewers, and that is the products that
53:09
Speaker 1: you sell, which and it's a program that people can
53:14
Speaker 1: can actually access through your wonderful generosity and your time
53:18
Speaker 1: and the interest that you show in helping people. So
53:22
Speaker 1: could you just tell us what's what are the ingredients
53:25
Speaker 1: in those two main products that you flagship products that
53:30
Speaker 1: you sell.
53:32
Speaker 2: Well, one of the things I've developed a lot of
53:34
Speaker 2: products over the years around my cellular you know, healing
53:38
Speaker 2: concepts and silo detox concepts, but this one was, you
53:43
Speaker 2: know one that I put together myself. What we did
53:46
Speaker 2: is we groom mushrooms on certain substrates. As an example,
53:51
Speaker 2: turmeric has incredible benefits, but a lot of those benefits
53:55
Speaker 2: that are claimed are in laboratory in vitro. It doesn't
53:58
Speaker 2: really happen because of those things. You know, plant chemicals
54:03
Speaker 2: can't get in the cell. That's right, Actually create work,
54:06
Speaker 2: you know, create that magic. What we do is we
54:09
Speaker 2: grow mushrooms on these substrates, pulling up those active ingredients,
54:13
Speaker 2: and then the mushrooms deliver them into the cell. That's
54:16
Speaker 2: one of the magic of mushrooms. Their nature's communication molecules.
54:20
Speaker 2: They really are and are able to attach to certain
54:24
Speaker 2: cells in the body. For example, lion's main is attached
54:28
Speaker 2: to reception, so they were trying to downregulate inflammation of
54:33
Speaker 2: the brain. We'll take lions main and grow it on
54:35
Speaker 2: turmeric to pull up those active ingredients and deliver it
54:38
Speaker 2: into the brain cell.
54:39
Speaker 1: The lion's main is one ingredient race used racy mushrooms.
54:43
Speaker 2: Yes, and rachi is we're using it for the mitochondria.
54:47
Speaker 2: Rachie has an incredible effect on the mitochondria, even methylation
54:50
Speaker 2: pathways and so we'll take rachie and grow it on
54:53
Speaker 2: certain substrates that we need to deliver for methylation.
54:57
Speaker 1: And then what else is in there and what Another.
55:00
Speaker 2: Product that we have called Gut Enhancer has become a
55:03
Speaker 2: flagship product because it's very difficult to deal with people's
55:08
Speaker 2: hyper immunity autoimmunity if we don't fix a lot of
55:12
Speaker 2: what's happening in the gut. We took things that we
55:16
Speaker 2: know we need to target in the gut, the gut
55:19
Speaker 2: mucosal lining to downregulate inflammation and also help with the
55:24
Speaker 2: leaky gut. Lion's Main actually targets the same receptors in
55:29
Speaker 2: the gut the second brain, right, So Lion's Main has
55:34
Speaker 2: an incredible affinity for the same receptors and the gut
55:37
Speaker 2: as it does the brain. So those things like you know,
55:42
Speaker 2: ginger as an example, has incredible focus and licorice root
55:47
Speaker 2: has incredible in flam downregulating inflammatory properties of the gut
55:51
Speaker 2: mucosal lining. But again we pulled it up into the
55:55
Speaker 2: Lion's main to target those particular receptors and it's incredible
56:00
Speaker 2: that product. So, yeah, mushroom delivery is really using my
56:05
Speaker 2: cilium is really the brilliance around some of these products
56:10
Speaker 2: that I've developed.
56:11
Speaker 1: So if you were going to guide people right now
56:14
Speaker 1: to just do the start from scratch to do what
56:19
Speaker 1: you did, which you didn't have all the benefits of
56:21
Speaker 1: what you have today, but you did it the hard way.
56:24
Speaker 1: But now that you have all this knowledge and experience,
56:27
Speaker 1: what would be the tell us in about one minute,
56:30
Speaker 1: what would be the steps that you would tell my
56:33
Speaker 1: viewers to take and how would they how would they
56:36
Speaker 1: go about contacting you?
56:38
Speaker 2: Look, you have to step number one is deal with
56:42
Speaker 2: what you can control, right, meaning we can't control certain toxins,
56:46
Speaker 2: but we can't control a lot, right. So we talked
56:48
Speaker 2: about seed oils, get rid of the vegetable and the
56:51
Speaker 2: can oil out of your diet. Right. It's like in
56:53
Speaker 2: starting incorporating better pad. You can control that. You can
56:56
Speaker 2: control the water that you drink and so many horrible
56:59
Speaker 2: time bux are coming through your water. You know, it's
57:02
Speaker 2: like an ro unit. It's so simple and they're so inexpensive. Right,
57:06
Speaker 2: So can control the influx, control what's coming into the bucket,
57:11
Speaker 2: right or the bathtub so to speak. And then you
57:14
Speaker 2: know you can go to pumpuprogram dot com and we'll
57:17
Speaker 2: put a link, but you can watch I did a
57:20
Speaker 2: great webinar there that I do for doctors, and you
57:23
Speaker 2: can watch that, and again it's just explains like some
57:27
Speaker 2: steps on those you know five rs.
57:29
Speaker 1: Oh that's really good, Dan. Can you send us that
57:32
Speaker 1: link and I'll have asistant.
57:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll put it out.
57:35
Speaker 1: I want to put it in the show notes. Okay,
57:37
Speaker 1: So that's important. Okay, and then they need to order
57:40
Speaker 1: that cellular.
57:41
Speaker 2: Start with the test. Do you have cellular inflammation? That's
57:43
Speaker 2: where we start everybody, because we know if that's the case,
57:47
Speaker 2: you know, we know how to impact that. It's but
57:49
Speaker 2: what I've been teaching for twenty years, so how to
57:51
Speaker 2: doubt regulate cell inflammation. It's one of my five hors.
57:53
Speaker 1: Okay. So step number one, get the test, find out
57:56
Speaker 1: where you are. That's your baseline. Step number two is
58:00
Speaker 1: we'll obviously watch some of these videos that you're going
58:02
Speaker 1: to get the links that you're going to give us
58:04
Speaker 1: so people are more informed. And then it's step number
58:07
Speaker 1: three to order some of these products so that they
58:10
Speaker 1: can get on a program and then test again to
58:13
Speaker 1: see the results exactly. Okay, Okay, So could you send
58:18
Speaker 1: me a link with the three products. I think you
58:21
Speaker 1: said three right that we should use as a baseline.
58:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that I'll just say gut
58:27
Speaker 2: and handswer I think is really it is important in
58:31
Speaker 2: flam Our four and Mito methy later. Okay, those you know,
58:35
Speaker 2: And if I would add a fourth, I you know, well,
58:38
Speaker 2: we won't.
58:39
Speaker 1: Do that, Okay, so let's just do the three because
58:41
Speaker 1: we don't want to overwhelm people. But and then you
58:44
Speaker 1: so generously said that you would offer a discount of if.
58:48
Speaker 2: People we'll put a code in because people should start
58:52
Speaker 2: with cellular inflammation. People that don't feel well, you know,
58:55
Speaker 2: that's where you start, right. Everyone else can start on
58:58
Speaker 2: those products, you know, but if you don't feel well,
59:01
Speaker 2: start with selling information test. Don't even know about the
59:03
Speaker 2: products because how many products have you tried? Right, It's like,
59:06
Speaker 2: do you have cellular inflammation? So yeah, we'll give a
59:08
Speaker 2: code and they can get a discount on that.
59:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, the code that we discussed before is ageless ten.
59:14
Speaker 1: So that's ten percent of the first order with the
59:18
Speaker 1: cellular inflammation test. And then I don't know how you
59:21
Speaker 1: feel about the product, but we can talk about that later.
59:24
Speaker 2: But we can discount that too.
59:26
Speaker 1: Talk about okay, so ageless ten is the code? All right? Well,
59:31
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry that we've come to our conclusion because
59:34
Speaker 1: I could talk to you for hours. And are you
59:36
Speaker 1: going to be at a four a m In West Palm?
59:40
Speaker 2: When is that?
59:41
Speaker 1: That's in April April twenty.
59:45
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm in France.
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Speaker 1: I'm okay, okay. Is there any one thing you want
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Speaker 1: to say in partying before we close? One message to everybody.
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Speaker 2: Control what you can control. That's it. I mean, honestly,
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Speaker 2: I mean it's like you know, because everyone goes, oh,
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Speaker 2: what use is it? We're surrounded, but no no control
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Speaker 2: what you can control. You know, we can put in
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Speaker 2: our minds what we're drinking, you know, and that's the
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Speaker 2: most important.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think, as you said, taking responsibility for
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Speaker 1: your own well being is you know, the first step.
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Speaker 1: You have to be the one in the driver's seat.
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Speaker 1: You are the producer of your play. And if you
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Speaker 1: don't take that responsibility, no one's going to take it
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Speaker 1: for you. No doctor's going to tell you, you know,
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Speaker 1: the follow through. They might give you the instructions like
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Speaker 1: you're doing, but you have to be the one to
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Speaker 1: initiate and take responsibility so well. Thank you so much, Dan,
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Speaker 1: and I hope to see you soon, maybe at Radfest
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Speaker 1: or one of the next upcoming ones this summer. Okay,
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Speaker 1: thank you, all right, you take care all right. Bye
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Speaker 1: bye and in the