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Nick Saban Tried To TRADE Dolphins Legend Zach Thomas + Charles Haley LEVELED Joe Montana | Bussin' · Bussin' With The Boys

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Speaker 2: Bussing with the boys Hanging with the fellas Betting.
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Speaker 3: I was just checking my notes before we started the show.
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Speaker 3: Special Boy turned 37 on this weekend. Special Boy, shout
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Speaker 3: out Willie Boy. Shout out Willie Boy on that. Beeman birthday?
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Speaker 5: Beeman a birthday the week before, Beeman, Virgos, Virgos.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. And then also a lot of casualties taking place,
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Speaker 3: casualties on week two of the NFL. What is going on?
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Speaker 5: Do you see, you showed me the offensive lineman from
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Speaker 5: the Patriots. Do you see Jaden Daniels too?
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Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels dislocated elbow. I had that in college. Horrendous.
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Speaker 3: It's awful feeling. It's an awful feeling. And I just
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Speaker 3: don't like the Jaden Daniels. You hate to bring up RG3.
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Speaker 3: in the topic of that uniform. But a hell of
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Speaker 3: a first year and then injuries take place. Hopefully Jaden
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Speaker 3: can get through it, but right now that's kind of
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Speaker 3: what seems like it's happening right now. It's tough right
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Speaker 3: now in Washington. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: You lose to the Cowboys, start off 0-2. Start off 0-2.
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Speaker 5: Sell the percentages, 16% chance to make the playoffs.
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Speaker 3: Not great. After you start 0-2. Good news though, the Raiders. Bro.
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Speaker 3: Raiders are 2-0. Fired up for the silver and black.
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Speaker 3: Fired up. Fired up for Kirko Thuggins. Thuggins.
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Speaker 5: But what in God's name has happened to the Chargers?
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Speaker 5: It seems like their quarterback has lost his powers.
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Speaker 4: Bro.
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Speaker 3: It feels like he's... Losing, he's missing a couple stones
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Speaker 3: right now. I don't know what has changed between last
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Speaker 3: season and this season.
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Speaker 5: Mike McDaniel's now the OC, which we thought was gonna
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Speaker 5: unlock the whole offense.
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Speaker 3: He was literally, he was quoted saying, I can do
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Speaker 3: so many more things with this quarterback. And they're not
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Speaker 3: doing so many more things. They're doing a lot fewer
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Speaker 3: things that are taking place. But it's just, Chargers, man.
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Speaker 3: What's going to happen? Chargers are in the dumps. The
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Speaker 3: Chiefs are rolling right now, Sunday Night Football. Chiefs Raiders?
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Speaker 3: Fighting for the West? Just nuts. Chiefs Raiders. Yeah, I mean, bro.
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Speaker 2: Two weeks in.
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Speaker 3: Like, you laugh at that, but then you get a
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Speaker 3: little double thought about it because it is kind of real. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: The Raiders are going to be that team this year.
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Speaker 3: Ashton Gentry is going to get a little unlocked right now.
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Speaker 3: Max Crosby getting a little safety at the end of
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Speaker 3: the game to seal it.
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Speaker 4: So.
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Speaker 5: There was a stat, too. It's like Kirk is, what,
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Speaker 5: 38 years old?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: He's one of three quarterbacks to throw for three, what
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Speaker 5: was it? Multiple touchdowns or three plus touchdowns in the
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Speaker 5: first two weeks to start the year. He's in company with,
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Speaker 5: I want to say it's Peyton Manning. I forget the
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Speaker 5: third one, but great company to be in.
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Speaker 3: Great company. If Peyton Manning's in the same area, you
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Speaker 3: know it's great company regardless of who else is around.
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Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins, gold jacket. Kirk O'Thuggins taking place. I will
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Speaker 3: say this, when we were at training camp tour with
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Speaker 3: the Raiders and we sat down with the quarterback room,
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Speaker 3: It's I've been around Kirk three times now. It's the
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Speaker 3: most relaxed and casual I've ever seen him. I think
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Speaker 3: we was at Atlanta. It was fun. He had his
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Speaker 3: like kind of quirky personality. It was great to be
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Speaker 3: around him, but this time it specifically felt relaxed, calm.
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Speaker 3: Like he kind of knows like he's not the long-term
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Speaker 3: fix for the Raiders. He seems like he was playing
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Speaker 3: with house money in a lot of ways. And it's
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Speaker 3: kind of showing week one and two, how he's able
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Speaker 3: to sling it over the yard where it's like you
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Speaker 3: throw caution to the wind and just get out there
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Speaker 3: and dance a little bit in the rain. It seems
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Speaker 3: like he's getting stuff done. Let it rip. I kind
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Speaker 3: of love it, dude.
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Speaker 6: Love watching Kubiak's reactions after the game, too. He's so
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Speaker 6: uncomfortable being happy.
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Speaker 3: He's uncomfortable showing emotion.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 6: But nothing makes him more happy than winning football games.
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Speaker 6: He was one of the most all-ball guys we've ever
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Speaker 6: talked to.
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Speaker 4: Bro.
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Speaker 6: And to see him in the locker room going through it,
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Speaker 6: you could tell him just trying to process it is
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Speaker 6: so funny.
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Speaker 4: It's wholesome.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. the Raiders are doing a unique thing this year too,
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Speaker 3: where every week they're putting out different captains. Max Crosby,
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Speaker 3: shout out friend of the show, shout out friend of
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Speaker 3: ours personally. He was asked about it and you could tell,
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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna put words in his mouth. Max does
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Speaker 3: not fuck with it. but i thought he handled himself
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Speaker 3: gracefully sitting from his locker being like you know it's
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Speaker 3: great gives guys opportunity to be leaders in the room
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Speaker 3: and uh see what the pressure is of being a
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Speaker 3: captain and that's awesome that's awesome but you can see
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Speaker 3: in his eyes i didn't see you see in his
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Speaker 3: eyes how do you feel about that he's like and
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Speaker 3: you can just see him swallow whatever kind of anger
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Speaker 3: he was possibly holding and delivered a perfect politically correct
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Speaker 3: response in that A perfect one. But before we start
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Speaker 3: breaking down NFL, all the things that took place this weekend,
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Speaker 3: the saga of Klump and Jack McPherson that's taken place.
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Speaker 3: Klump has become the enemy of the office in a
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Speaker 3: lot of ways. We'll get to all that, but we
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Speaker 3: do have teardrops. In a lot of ways. Yeah. J-Dub
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Speaker 3: Nations says Joe Thomas' calves are crazy in all caps.
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Speaker 3: We did the Hall of Fame, which, by the way,
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Speaker 3: I think exceeded all of our expectations. And just... During
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Speaker 3: that episode alone, I mean, I was staring at his
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Speaker 3: calves the entire time. Not only beautiful, he's got Chambers calves,
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Speaker 3: but how vascular they are too. Yeah. Incredible. He's a
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Speaker 3: genetic specimen.
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Speaker 5: And our guy, there was one up under that one,
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Speaker 5: a response to that comment by Pretentious. Sure.
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Speaker 3: Pretentious. Pretentious?
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Speaker 2: Pretentious.
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Speaker 3: Dude, that man ran a 4.940 as a giant. LMAO. LMAO.
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Speaker 3: Did he really run a 4.940?
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Speaker 2: That's what the streets are saying.
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Speaker 3: If the streets say it, I'm not even going to
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Speaker 3: look into it. I'm not even going to look into it.
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Speaker 3: Fortnite is incredible. And the story of him going fishing
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Speaker 3: with his dad on draft day, ripping around a little bit,
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Speaker 3: like who needs to go to Radio City Music Hall,
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Speaker 3: whatever it's called in New York and doing all that.
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Speaker 3: He's like, I'm just going to go fishing with my
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Speaker 3: old man. That's about as cool as it gets right there.
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Speaker 3: Want some buffalo sperm.
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Speaker 5: We got one here from Jeremy Evans, 89, 84. Willie
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Speaker 5: C showing that 10.5 GPA when Taylor was fumbling reading
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Speaker 5: the Bussin' on the Rise comment. Dondo 2 corrected him,
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Speaker 5: 10.6 GPA.
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Speaker 1: Boom.
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Speaker 3: Willie C really flex on all of us being able
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Speaker 3: to read my comment. That comment had Taylor in hell.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 3: There's clamorings right now that I, my wife has diagnosed
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Speaker 3: me as dyslexic. We'll see. We'll see if that's the case.
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Speaker 3: That is a learning disability. That would be a learning
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Speaker 3: disability and that would be considered bullying. So it's just
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Speaker 3: something for everyone to think about. I can't see, I
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Speaker 3: can't read. It's not good. That's not good. You see
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Speaker 3: the language differently. I view the world differently, man. I'm
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Speaker 3: an artist. All right. I'm a creative man. I like
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Speaker 3: to look around and just see the world, you know,
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Speaker 3: through a different lens. Is that okay, dude?
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Speaker 4: That's why you love to travel.
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Speaker 3: That's why I love to travel. It's how you get around, dude. Absolutely. Oh,
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Speaker 3: you know about my traveling. Yeah. I got plans this year. Plans.
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Speaker 4: Lots of them.
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Speaker 3: I got plans this year. I know this is actually,
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Speaker 3: we're doing an intro for a show and people really
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Speaker 3: don't know, but based on our conversation this weekend, Talon's like, hey,
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Speaker 3: are we going to pull the trigger on this? I'm like,
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Speaker 3: I thought we already did. Pull the trigger, dude. So
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Speaker 3: I can just have to, I'm going to do those
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Speaker 3: things this year. The Juans are not going on the trip.
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Speaker 7: No, JB, I don't say that to your confidence.
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Speaker 3: Come on.
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Speaker 4: Where are you heading?
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Speaker 3: Year three. Let me check my notes. I'm headed after
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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, Costa Rica.
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Speaker 1: Oh, there you go.
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Speaker 3: Costa Rica. There we go.
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Speaker 2: That's happening.
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Speaker 3: That's happening. And then my family, our house will be
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Speaker 3: done in Canada. So they'll be there the entire forever.
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Speaker 3: I'm about to be a divorced father in a little
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Speaker 3: bit where I only see my kids like every other weekend.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be tough, but we'll make it through
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Speaker 3: me and Talyn. We're also going to Iceland, Norway, And
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Speaker 3: one of the other ways. There's another Norwegian type of country.
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Speaker 1: Uruguay?
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Speaker 3: There's another way.
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Speaker 4: Fair pull.
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Speaker 3: There's another way out there. There's another way. But the family,
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Speaker 3: I think we're doing, yeah. Are you going to Finland?
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Speaker 1: Finland.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: There we go, man. Get him out of the house.
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Speaker 3: People are talking about orcas. About to dive in there
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Speaker 3: with them boys. Start cooing around with them. See if
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Speaker 3: they're really as safe as they say they are outside
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Speaker 3: of captivity. I will find out for myself.
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Speaker 4: Let's go.
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Speaker 3: This summer so yeah there's a lot.
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Speaker 6: I'm back in though i'm those are confirmed i believe
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Speaker 6: in both i.
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Speaker 3: Believe in it too but you like i like i
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Speaker 3: i told my kids the other day like they're like
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Speaker 3: hey dad can we i was like your mom runs
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Speaker 3: this household like i do i am not the adult
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Speaker 3: in the room like talon your mother is the adult
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Speaker 3: so like if talon pays for the tickets and gets
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Speaker 3: all of it done, I'm going. I'm there to carry
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Speaker 3: bags on and off the plane, you know, and have
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Speaker 3: as much fun as they'll let me have.
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Speaker 4: Third trip will be Taylor planned.
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Speaker 3: No, JP, why you gotta do that? Why you gotta
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Speaker 3: keep moving the goalposts?
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Speaker 4: I'm trying to help you, but.
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Speaker 3: Key to happiness in life is low expectations. I will
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Speaker 3: say there's whispers taking place about Japan the following year.
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Speaker 3: There we go. In April. Jared. Mean take.
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Speaker 1: All you gotta do, bro.
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Speaker 3: Not a clean take.
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Speaker 4: That's a mean take.
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Speaker 3: All you gotta get is a little traveling agent. Oh,
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Speaker 3: Talon's got one. Yeah, I was gonna say. And there's
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Speaker 3: like 50 emails back and forth to him. I look
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Speaker 3: at him like, oh my God. And then dyslexic, right?
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Speaker 3: So that's a callback. It's hard for me sometimes. It's
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Speaker 3: hard for me, fellas. Go ahead, Jared. Be nasty.
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Speaker 4: Just book it.
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Speaker 3: Dog, I know. Well, Kalen's going to. Kalen's going to
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Speaker 3: do that. Hey, this one comes from Rich underscore LMN.
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Speaker 3: Commenting for the algorithm, where's Danny O's earring been at, dude?
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Speaker 4: Good question.
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Speaker 3: That's a great question. He thinks he found a hack,
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Speaker 3: but I feel like we need to go back and
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Speaker 3: kind of check everything to make sure. His hack is
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Speaker 3: not doing it the way he said he would.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 5: What was the hack he was trying to do? Just
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Speaker 5: have it sitting up there?
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Speaker 3: No, he had to have it on every day. he
11:04
Speaker 3: was on TV and that includes like, in his brain,
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Speaker 3: it's like just for get up and not for first take,
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Speaker 3: not for the podcast. He does what does before get up,
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Speaker 3: not before the 15 other shows he does during the day.
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Speaker 3: Like you need to have that earring on all day.
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Speaker 3: And if it doesn't work, it resets for 30 days.
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Speaker 3: He made up a rule. Yeah. Like he found grayer
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Speaker 3: that wasn't talked about. I love that in a competitive environment. However, we,
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Speaker 3: if you're going to be the man that talks about
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Speaker 3: honor and, What you do in the dark. Will Alex
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Speaker 3: come into light? All the comments he loves to say.
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Speaker 3: I need to see this man with an earring on
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Speaker 3: his head for 30 days straight. That's what I personally
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Speaker 3: need to see. So, Danny, I need to see that.
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Speaker 3: Is that all the tear talks we have? That's all
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Speaker 3: of our callbacks. That's all the callbacks. Excuse me. I
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Speaker 3: messed up the callbacks and tear talks. Hey, if people
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Speaker 3: wanted to be on callbacks or tear talks, how would
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Speaker 3: they get on that?
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Speaker 5: All they have to do is comment on the show.
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Speaker 5: Use hashtag tear talk. There are a couple different options
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Speaker 5: out there to be featured on Bustin.
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Speaker 1: With the Boys.
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Speaker 3: Beautiful. We talked about our college football recap earlier, but Bustin'
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Speaker 3: and Paid on Campus will be in Knoxville, Tennessee this Friday,
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Speaker 3: two to three Eastern time. Horns are down to Jack
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Speaker 3: McPherson right now. How do we feel, Jack? How do
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Speaker 3: we feel walking to that game? I know we kind
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Speaker 3: of sprinkled it a little bit.
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Speaker 2: Very excited.
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Speaker 3: The real UT, we've already broke that down. You guys
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Speaker 3: are factually the real UT. There is no like we're
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Speaker 3: fighting for that on Saturday. I thought differently before I
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Speaker 3: walked on the bus. But how are you feeling? Very excited.
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Speaker 2: First time in Knoxville this fall, going back to the
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Speaker 2: alma mater. I said it again. show but i'll restate
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Speaker 2: it i'm fully bought in on the noon kickoff i
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Speaker 2: think that's our best plan of attack for a win
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Speaker 2: um a night game even though neil provides that extra
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Speaker 2: juice especially a night game to checkerboard um the athletics
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Speaker 2: department also heady play has made the away section a
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Speaker 2: lot of it orange for the texas fans their specific
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Speaker 2: section is already orange so they'll be wearing orange So
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Speaker 2: they will be actively participating in our checkerboard.
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Speaker 3: Nice. That's a heady play. That's hilarious.
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Speaker 2: And again, obviously on paper, Texas, number one team in
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Speaker 2: the nation, they're most likely going to win this game.
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Speaker 2: All the expectations on Texas and Arch Manning. And I
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Speaker 2: feel great about that. So really at the end of
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Speaker 2: the day, It's how do you game plan? We got
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Speaker 2: to have Faison Brandon who can get it through the air.
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Speaker 2: That's what I think is going to win this game.
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Speaker 2: And we saw Georgia Tech and this is the first
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Speaker 2: real opponent though. But again, the boys are going to
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Speaker 2: be there busting and paid on campus Friday, Saturday tailgate
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Speaker 2: in for an awesome weekend. So I'm stoked.
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Speaker 3: You said awesome weekend. Here's another callback. Phenomenal one by
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Speaker 3: Sherman Young last week. He said, this will be the start,
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Speaker 3: maybe the best fall day of the year. And we're
13:37
Speaker 3: looking at the weather schedule right now, 76 degrees, partly cloudy.
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Speaker 3: And based off of what we had to deal with
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Speaker 3: last week in Auburn, shout out those fans for sticking
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Speaker 3: around for a full hour and before the show as well. This,
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Speaker 3: it was hell last week. We were in hell last week.
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Speaker 3: Now we get 76 degrees, partly cloudy, smoky mountains. Everything's
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Speaker 3: going to go our way, at least on Friday.
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Speaker 8: GBO GBO I'm excited who they used for the game
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Speaker 8: day guest picker obviously all eyes are pointing at Peyton
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Speaker 8: Manning but There was also a video that came out
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Speaker 8: of Peyton Manning asking who he'd be rooting for.
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Speaker 2: And he said, family is most important to me over anything.
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Speaker 2: But he doesn't say he's going for Texas, but he's like,
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Speaker 2: that's what's most important to me. So that's honestly just honor.
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Speaker 2: Honor amongst men. Peyton Manning choosing to stand with his
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Speaker 2: family over his alma mater. But he has not chose Texas,
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Speaker 2: but it will be interesting.
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Speaker 3: How would you feel if he was the guest picker
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Speaker 3: and he came up and he took Texas because of family?
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Speaker 3: How would you as a Vols fan view Peyton Manning
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Speaker 3: after that?
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Speaker 2: I just don't see that happening. So I'm not even
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Speaker 2: going to go down that road yet. We're living in
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Speaker 2: a hypothetical world. Yeah. I'm not even going to go
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Speaker 2: down that road yet. But, you know, if the sheriff
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Speaker 2: does it, the sheriff does what he wants to do.
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Speaker 3: The sheriff makes the law.
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Speaker 2: Makes the law.
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Speaker 5: He lays it down, too.
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Speaker 3: The sheriff should turn his back on all of Tennessee.
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Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to do that.
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Speaker 3: I think there's a rumor that Peyton Manning wants to
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Speaker 3: lay low, and it seems like this is one of
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Speaker 3: the reasons why he would want to lay low for
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Speaker 3: the weekend.
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Speaker 9: You know what the sheriff should do? Come on, bussing
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Speaker 9: and pay on campus on Friday.
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Speaker 3: That would be something. That would be something.
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Speaker 2: They're saying a bunch of people are bringing signs to
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Speaker 2: that show as well. So be on the lookout for signs.
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Speaker 3: I heard the signs might double based on what happens
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Speaker 3: on Wednesday in the locker room.
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Speaker 2: This is what I've heard.
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Speaker 3: All speculation. This is all speculation. Just keep your eye
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Speaker 3: on the locker room Wednesday evening. Wednesday evening.
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Speaker 5: And before we get into all the fun with the NFL,
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Speaker 3: Our attention back to the nfl we talked about some
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Speaker 3: injuries taking place don't know why the nfl is just
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Speaker 3: a breeding ground for absolute disaster on individuals every single week,
17:00
Speaker 3: but individuals in this office have gone to war with
17:04
Speaker 3: each other. And I know, Jack, you've been on the
17:06
Speaker 3: mic quite a bit, but there was a game in Nashville,
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Speaker 3: Tennessee 24 hours ago where the Philadelphia Eagles came to town.
17:14
Speaker 3: It seemed like a lot of Philadelphia fans were also
17:17
Speaker 3: there and Titans put up a competitive game, like a
17:19
Speaker 3: Philly home game. Yeah. A lot of people.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I've said this a lot and I'll continue
17:23
Speaker 2: to say it, but Nashville is the perfect three day
17:26
Speaker 2: weekend town for an away fan base. You come, you
17:29
Speaker 2: tear it up on Broadway, Friday, Saturday night, you go
17:32
Speaker 2: to a game, usually cheap tickets. Nobody wants to go
17:35
Speaker 2: to Minnesota to travel for a game. No charade, Minnesota.
17:39
Speaker 2: But just Nashville provides a good external curricular type thing.
17:43
Speaker 3: Mall of America can only do so much for you.
17:45
Speaker 2: And especially Eagles, very big national fan base. I knew
17:51
Speaker 2: that there was going to be a lot of Eagles fans.
17:52
Speaker 2: A lot of green. It's not a team where your
17:55
Speaker 2: colors are kind of complementary and they kind of blend in.
17:57
Speaker 2: That Kelly Green pops out. You really see it. And
18:01
Speaker 2: the Eagles fans, their credit showed up. They also were
18:04
Speaker 2: burning the Tennessee state flag.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 2: In downtown Nashville.
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Speaker 4: You did that?
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Speaker 2: Which is very on par for the Eagles fan base. They're,
18:14
Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 3: But, yeah.
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Speaker 4: That's crazy.
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Speaker 2: No, it's crazy.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we have said for a long time that
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Speaker 3: the Eagles are the... most rabid fan base in all
18:24
Speaker 3: of the NFL.
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Speaker 2: And I think they take pride in that.
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Speaker 3: Oh, they do. That's hilarious.
18:29
Speaker 5: Week two, playing the Tennessee Titans, you're burning the state flag.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was rough.
18:34
Speaker 3: The Eagles before yesterday, their record against... Tennessee was, oh,
18:39
Speaker 3: and however many times they play it, they've never beaten
18:41
Speaker 3: Tennessee at Tennessee.
18:42
Speaker 2: I know, Corey Davis.
18:44
Speaker 3: Corey Davis.
18:45
Speaker 2: But yeah, again, after week one, week one was a disaster.
18:50
Speaker 2: We don't have to go down that road.
18:51
Speaker 3: Jets look competitive.
18:52
Speaker 2: Jets look competitive this week, which makes that loss feel
18:55
Speaker 2: a little bit better.
18:56
Speaker 3: Quality loss.
18:57
Speaker 2: But, you know, we're not going down week one road.
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Speaker 2: Week two, you come out with the expectation that it's
19:02
Speaker 2: going to be similar to week one. We're just trying
19:04
Speaker 2: to be competitive in any fashion. And they were. The defense, well,
19:08
Speaker 2: Monty Hooker, great pick off Jalen Hurts right in the
19:11
Speaker 2: red zone.
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Speaker 3: First drive.
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Speaker 2: But, dude, the defense could not get off the field.
19:16
Speaker 2: The Eagles had so much time of possession, and that
19:20
Speaker 2: is where we started getting killed. We won the turnover battle,
19:24
Speaker 2: lost the game. There's so many things you can point out.
19:27
Speaker 2: I'm going to just be positive and say this is
19:30
Speaker 2: a good step forward from where we were week one.
19:32
Speaker 2: Cam Ward looks sufficient enough. But he still has things
19:36
Speaker 2: to improve on. There was no turnovers. He had two
19:38
Speaker 2: rushing TDs, but he's got to get the.
19:40
Speaker 3: Ball out more.
19:42
Speaker 2: We need to feed Alec A. O'Manner more. He only
19:44
Speaker 2: had two catches for like 69 yards in that insane hurdle,
19:47
Speaker 2: which then went to Tajay Spears to set up. a
19:50
Speaker 2: first and goal where then Jalen Carter sacks Cam Ward.
19:54
Speaker 2: And then we go run, run, and then take the
19:56
Speaker 2: field goal where it's like, you got to go for
19:59
Speaker 2: that and go for the touchdown. And the Eagles, I think,
20:02
Speaker 2: had zero timeouts, drive down the field with a minute,
20:05
Speaker 2: 50 seconds. And we know the way it ended. It's tough.
20:09
Speaker 2: Every week we're just here regurgitating the same fucking shit. No, no, no.
20:15
Speaker 5: But there's positives. The positive is we get a sad bike.
20:18
Speaker 5: We get sad bike boy.
20:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get sad bike rides.
20:21
Speaker 3: The positive is you guys are competitive in the fourth quarter.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
20:24
Speaker 3: Play calling was a little shaky at the end of
20:26
Speaker 3: that game. I don't know why we're running the ball twice.
20:28
Speaker 3: I'm not sure why we're doing the rollout. I think
20:30
Speaker 3: Cam Ward looks real pretty when he's faking the handoff
20:32
Speaker 3: and being real cool about it. But Carter on the edge.
20:36
Speaker 3: It's not a game you want to be in. Latham's
20:38
Speaker 3: got to seal it up a little bit better. Overall,
20:41
Speaker 3: we've said since the beginning of the season, we're not
20:43
Speaker 3: going to evaluate the Titans on wins and losses this year.
20:45
Speaker 3: We're going to evaluate them on how competitive they were
20:47
Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter. And you have a Super Bowl
20:50
Speaker 3: caliber roster that just came into Nashville, Tennessee, and you
20:52
Speaker 3: guys were competitive in the fourth quarter. Chance to win
20:56
Speaker 3: the game with a stop.
20:58
Speaker 2: I will say two things that Tennessee Titans fans should
21:01
Speaker 2: remain optimistic about. One, the AFC South is still wide open.
21:05
Speaker 2: They're 1-7. The Jags have the only win currently. So
21:09
Speaker 2: the division is not, you know, it's anyone's game right now.
21:12
Speaker 3: It's anyone's game.
21:13
Speaker 2: The second one is, in that fourth quarter, that was
21:15
Speaker 2: the first time I have heard Titans fans be loud
21:19
Speaker 2: in years there. And that is what I'm holding on
21:22
Speaker 2: to is that feeling that it's like, oh, wait, it
21:24
Speaker 2: can be fun to be here on Sundays. And that
21:28
Speaker 2: was I legitimately heard a let's go Titans chant that
21:32
Speaker 2: was echoing through the stadium. Granted, the Eagles fans are
21:36
Speaker 2: dominating the cheering. It was so loud for them. But,
21:40
Speaker 2: you know, at the end of the day. We lost. Congratulations,
21:43
Speaker 2: Jeremy Klump. You were at the full game, though, so
21:46
Speaker 2: you know about all this.
21:48
Speaker 3: Klump, huge Eagles fan. Him and his wife. This is
21:50
Speaker 3: a family affair. JJ got a photo with Big Dom.
21:53
Speaker 3: Klump's wife is a bigger Eagles fan, I believe. Oh, yeah.
21:55
Speaker 3: Than Klump.
21:57
Speaker 9: She actually gets mad at Will when he trashes Jalen
22:00
Speaker 9: Hurts and the Eagles.
22:01
Speaker 3: I don't trash. Jalen Hurts and the Eagles. You say
22:04
Speaker 3: what's real in your mind.
22:05
Speaker 1: Yeah.
22:06
Speaker 3: You say your truth. And that's what's important.
22:08
Speaker 9: But what Jack is referring to is we did leave
22:10
Speaker 9: at halftime with my two-month-old baby. It was the hottest
22:13
Speaker 9: game in Tennessee Titans history, they were saying. Except week
22:16
Speaker 9: one was hotter, though, as someone who was there. And
22:18
Speaker 9: I'm not trying to, like, dog that. It was hotter
22:20
Speaker 9: week one. It was a hot day yesterday. And you
22:21
Speaker 9: do have a newborn.
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Speaker 3: Jack would have kept that two-month-old at halftime.
22:24
Speaker 4: Oh, hell yeah.
22:25
Speaker 9: In and out of my seat, you know, getting some shade.
22:27
Speaker 9: This is probably going to come back to get me.
22:29
Speaker 9: I shouldn't even say this. But one of the main
22:30
Speaker 9: reasons we did leave... We had the club level where
22:34
Speaker 9: you can go inside, but there were so many.
22:35
Speaker 2: That's where they have AC, by the way.
22:37
Speaker 9: There were so many Eagles fans to the point of
22:41
Speaker 9: we couldn't even move with our kids. It was not
22:43
Speaker 9: even enjoyable for our kids. People were running into my
22:46
Speaker 9: wife with a baby. We're like, this isn't even worth it.
22:49
Speaker 2: We went home.
22:49
Speaker 3: It was really hot.
22:50
Speaker 4: 157 on the field.
22:53
Speaker 3: That's pretty crazy.
22:54
Speaker 9: You heard Nick Sirianni after he ran off the field
22:56
Speaker 9: celebrating like they won the Super Bowl that he needed
22:59
Speaker 9: an IV after the game and he didn't even play
23:02
Speaker 9: in it. I think what Jack said is it was
23:06
Speaker 9: a good game. It's week two for the Eagles so
23:09
Speaker 9: next week I don't even know if I'll be thinking
23:11
Speaker 9: about this game but it's.
23:13
Speaker 3: One they had to win.
23:14
Speaker 2: The Titans played great.
23:15
Speaker 9: I'm more disappointed with how the Eagles looked defensively in
23:19
Speaker 9: the fourth quarter but Jalen Hurts, 15 career game-winning drives now.
23:23
Speaker 3: He just wins.
23:24
Speaker 2: He's a winner.
23:25
Speaker 9: People doubt him. He threw the pick late in the game,
23:27
Speaker 9: which he got hit by Jeffrey Simmons. It wasn't even
23:29
Speaker 9: a bad throw, but it's all good.
23:32
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was... Jeff started and he finished it.
23:36
Speaker 9: That was a funny quote. I think Jalen Hurts practiced
23:38
Speaker 9: that in the mirror all week, which was awesome to see.
23:40
Speaker 9: Respect to Big Jeff going up there and giving him credit.
23:45
Speaker 2: I do have one stat, though.
23:47
Speaker 3: I mean, Jeff kind of.
23:49
Speaker 2: He could have just gone to the locker room. He
23:51
Speaker 2: didn't have to address it.
23:52
Speaker 3: I know, but when Jalen Hurst did check him, I
23:55
Speaker 3: was like, Jeff, you're not going to. Because Jeff is
23:57
Speaker 3: that dude.
23:58
Speaker 2: Jeff's the leader in the locker room now, though. He's
24:00
Speaker 2: not that young guy who can just be headbutting.
24:02
Speaker 3: That feels like growth to me. Maturity.
24:04
Speaker 4: That is growth.
24:05
Speaker 3: I have one question.
24:06
Speaker 9: Do you guys think Bryce Young, you guys believe in
24:09
Speaker 9: Bryce Young as a quarterback in the NFL?
24:11
Speaker 3: I'm not going to play this game with him. What
24:13
Speaker 3: about Troy Aikman? Oh, Troy Aikman, go.
24:17
Speaker 9: So, worst 19 game starts ever by a quarterback drafted
24:21
Speaker 9: number one overall. Bryce Young at 2-17. And then Cam
24:24
Speaker 9: Ward and Troy Aikman, 3-16. So, that's to say Cam
24:29
Speaker 9: Ward obviously has his flaws, but.
24:32
Speaker 2: If they build around him, he could turn it around
24:34
Speaker 2: and be Troy Aikman. You never know.
24:36
Speaker 3: I mean, that's nice, Jack. And I think Bryce Young.
24:38
Speaker 3: Everyone's really uncomfortable. Everyone's got their guns loaded. You might
24:43
Speaker 3: not like Bryce Young. I think Bryce Young is a
24:45
Speaker 3: damn good quarterback in the NFL. So it could be
24:48
Speaker 3: turned around. People jumping off the ship on Cam Ward.
24:50
Speaker 3: I heard a lot of Titans fans as I was
24:53
Speaker 3: walking around.
24:54
Speaker 9: They were not too happy with Cam Ward at the
24:56
Speaker 9: start of the game. I think he had like six
24:58
Speaker 9: yards passing in the first quarter. And I heard a
25:00
Speaker 9: lot of people jumping ship. I wouldn't jump ship yet
25:02
Speaker 9: on Cam Ward.
25:03
Speaker 3: Give him some time. That's nice to hear, Jack. How'd
25:05
Speaker 3: that make you feel?
25:06
Speaker 2: Uh, what'd he say?
25:07
Speaker 3: I was kind of tuned out.
25:08
Speaker 2: No, I'm kidding. I, I, I'm, I'm not off cam ward,
25:11
Speaker 2: you know, one year, two years.
25:12
Speaker 3: It's ball and Tyler shook.
25:14
Speaker 4: Yeah.
25:16
Speaker 3: Taking down the Ravens.
25:17
Speaker 1: Yeah.
25:18
Speaker 3: Chuck, the saints, they're ripping around a little bit.
25:19
Speaker 4: Ravens.
25:20
Speaker 3: Uh, that's just peak week two of the NFL team
25:24
Speaker 3: comes out.
25:25
Speaker 5: They look great.
25:25
Speaker 3: You think one thing about them and they go and
25:27
Speaker 3: shut them up the next week. It is perfect. I
25:30
Speaker 3: know we're shooting this on a Monday, but giants and Rams, uh,
25:33
Speaker 3: It is the perfect game for the Rams to put
25:35
Speaker 3: up 80 points right now on a Giants team. And
25:38
Speaker 3: then you see.
25:39
Speaker 5: How the Broncos performed in week one and then they
25:41
Speaker 5: beat the Jaguars at home.
25:44
Speaker 3: The Jaguars looked great.
25:46
Speaker 1: Yeah.
25:47
Speaker 3: I'm interested to see what the Saints are up to, man.
25:49
Speaker 3: Because Tampa, they're not looking great. Bryce Young, yeah, he's
25:55
Speaker 3: gotten better, but they have their flaws. And who's the
25:59
Speaker 3: other one? Oh, the Falcons. The Falcons are dead. The
26:01
Speaker 3: QBR rating for the Falcons quarterbacks is like 38 or 37.5.
26:04
Speaker 3: And if you spike the ball every single play, you're 38.
26:08
Speaker 11: Yeah.
26:09
Speaker 3: So if they were to just.
26:10
Speaker 5: You got Drake London arguing with the crowd.
26:12
Speaker 3: It's tough out there. It is tough.
26:15
Speaker 9: I didn't dive into that. Was that to the quarterbacks
26:19
Speaker 9: he was yelling at or something?
26:20
Speaker 12: You never see who he was yelling at, but like,
26:23
Speaker 12: For you, I feel like if he was arguing with
26:26
Speaker 12: a fan, his sightline would have been up more.
26:28
Speaker 4: It kind of looked like directly. I think the report
26:31
Speaker 4: was a teammate. That's crazy. I think it was definitely
26:33
Speaker 4: a teammate.
26:34
Speaker 3: I didn't see the clip. So Drake London is losing
26:37
Speaker 3: his mind on somebody? You just see him going off.
26:39
Speaker 4: He's like, I will fuck you up.
26:41
Speaker 3: Mouth it. I will fuck you up.
26:43
Speaker 4: Multiple times.
26:44
Speaker 3: Damn.
26:45
Speaker 1: Yeah.
26:45
Speaker 3: You can't have it.
26:46
Speaker 4: Did you guys see what Gronk said about the Falcons too?
26:48
Speaker 3: No. What did he say?
26:49
Speaker 4: He just basically said it's such a waste of talent.
26:51
Speaker 3: And- Dude, they have so much talent on their team.
26:54
Speaker 4: Their team is on paper good, but they're so ass.
26:58
Speaker 3: Dude, and you sit there and it's like, you got
27:00
Speaker 3: to talk about Jake London, B. John Robinson, but how
27:01
Speaker 3: about Jake Matthews? Who's just out there year 12, still
27:05
Speaker 3: fucking doing it. And he's a part of a team
27:07
Speaker 3: that he knows has zero hope and we're not even
27:09
Speaker 3: past September. Just crazy.
27:12
Speaker 9: They have some injuries on defense, but I feel like
27:13
Speaker 9: they got some good young defenders too. Their corners, they
27:16
Speaker 9: got some linebackers. Yeah, it feels weird.
27:20
Speaker 3: It's weird. How about the Caleb Williams injury? I thought
27:23
Speaker 3: he died. I sat there. Caleb Williams strained his hand.
27:31
Speaker 3: Surely he is out for four to six weeks, right?
27:36
Speaker 3: He's got to be done. He's done for the season.
27:38
Speaker 3: That's what took place.
27:39
Speaker 5: Based on what happened on the field, he should be
27:41
Speaker 5: getting surgery any minute.
27:43
Speaker 4: Yeah.
27:44
Speaker 3: We're lucky to see if he makes it through surgery.
27:46
Speaker 3: I mean, the tears, all that stuff, and What was
27:48
Speaker 3: the diagnosis? What did we figure out it was?
27:50
Speaker 5: I think Shefty has posted or Tom Pellisaro.
27:53
Speaker 3: Can we pull that up just to make sure we
27:55
Speaker 3: don't say it too long?
27:57
Speaker 5: He's not out of the question for next Monday.
27:59
Speaker 4: Really? Yeah.
28:00
Speaker 3: I think he just strained his hamstring.
28:02
Speaker 5: He's got Wolverine blood. He's like Sam Levitt, dude. Because everybody,
28:05
Speaker 5: like I had a little thing, like he can't get
28:07
Speaker 5: carted off for a hamstring injury. And everybody's like, oh,
28:11
Speaker 5: Willie C taking shots at Caleb Williams.
28:13
Speaker 3: I'm like, buddy, like.
28:15
Speaker 5: If I'm a teammate of Caleb's, I'm busting his balls.
28:17
Speaker 5: If it's not a, if it wasn't, this is before
28:19
Speaker 5: the MRI stuff came out this morning. This is like,
28:22
Speaker 5: all right, grade three. I've seen the grade three happen
28:25
Speaker 5: where it's Kendrick Golston, 2016. He goes down week one
28:29
Speaker 5: opener when we were in Washington and he's like laying
28:32
Speaker 5: on the ground dead. I'm busting his balls the next
28:34
Speaker 5: day after surgery. Cause I'm like, yo hamstring, we couldn't
28:36
Speaker 5: even get up. But if we're talking about a strained hammy,
28:40
Speaker 5: the way Caleb was reacting, high emotion, everything else, he's
28:44
Speaker 5: probably bummed he got hurt.
28:45
Speaker 3: Like, how bad is he going to be? He's not
28:47
Speaker 3: playing well on the offensive side.
28:48
Speaker 5: But if I'm walking in the training room the next
28:51
Speaker 5: day and it's like, you know, you dab him up.
28:54
Speaker 3: Hey, you all right? You all right?
28:56
Speaker 5: Like, oh, I think I'll be good. It's like, Doc, like,
28:59
Speaker 5: what is, how long does he got? Like, we probably
29:01
Speaker 5: got to get him in a surgery. after what we
29:03
Speaker 5: saw yesterday, we got to get him in a surgery ASAP, right?
29:05
Speaker 5: They probably slow you down and back, oh no, he
29:07
Speaker 5: just strained it. And then you got to look to
29:08
Speaker 5: Caleb and just say, we getting caught off the field
29:12
Speaker 5: for a strain.
29:13
Speaker 3: Caught off the field for a soft tish. Yeah, for
29:15
Speaker 3: soft tish. What was that? You were screaming. I was
29:17
Speaker 3: almost in tears for you.
29:19
Speaker 5: Like, God, don't take Caleb Williams from the Chicago Bears.
29:23
Speaker 3: The angle we're looking at too, it's like, I'm like, oh,
29:25
Speaker 3: that's an Achilles. It's gotta be. Cause like, you don't
29:27
Speaker 3: see anything with the knee or anything else. Like, okay,
29:29
Speaker 3: maybe it's something happened with his hip. I don't know.
29:31
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Speaker 3: Ready, set, Ford. Built Ford tough. Let's get back to
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Speaker 3: the episode. I feel like Caleb Williams is in the
31:04
Speaker 3: training room right now. I want to get these eyes
31:06
Speaker 3: off me as fast as possible. For him, the fist pumping,
31:10
Speaker 3: thumb in the air. It's, hey, if he's good, awesome.
31:14
Speaker 3: If I'm Caleb Williams, Caleb Williams can't reply to that
31:17
Speaker 3: and be like, no matter how good you feel, you
31:20
Speaker 3: probably should not play this week. Just so it's got
31:22
Speaker 3: to seem a little bit worse than it was. This
31:25
Speaker 3: might be the one time you think to yourself, let's not.
31:27
Speaker 3: You got to get me in a wheelchair.
31:28
Speaker 1: Yeah.
31:29
Speaker 3: That would be the ultimate. Just that practice during individual.
31:33
Speaker 4: Right.
31:34
Speaker 3: What's that WWE thing where it's the cast and he
31:36
Speaker 3: pulls the blanket off and gets up? That's what we
31:38
Speaker 3: need from Caleb Williams going into this game. National Anthem's
31:41
Speaker 3: taking place. And then right before he pulls it off
31:44
Speaker 3: and puts his hand over his heart.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I was in the emotion with everybody yesterday. I was like,
31:49
Speaker 5: oh man, that is fucking brutal.
31:51
Speaker 3: You said not Caleb Williams. Yeah, man.
31:54
Speaker 5: And then when Chef D comes out and says, oh,
31:55
Speaker 5: he's hearing hamstring, not Achilles, or I don't even know
31:58
Speaker 5: if he even put Achilles in the thing. But it's like, oh,
32:01
Speaker 5: this is the greatest news you could possibly have. Like, obviously,
32:04
Speaker 5: it sucks that he strained his hammy. But in the
32:06
Speaker 5: moment at the time, I'm like, this is the greatest news, period.
32:09
Speaker 4: Right.
32:09
Speaker 5: And then as I get to laying in bed last night,
32:11
Speaker 5: I'm thinking to myself, I says to myself, I'm like, yo,
32:16
Speaker 5: he got carted off for hamstrings. Like, let's really go
32:20
Speaker 5: back and look at that. You got to bust his
32:22
Speaker 5: balls in the locker room.
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Speaker 3: Let's go back and check that out. Like, hey, what
32:26
Speaker 3: the hell was that? You had us all scared to death. Right.
32:28
Speaker 3: Because the Bears offense in week one was absolutely operating.
32:31
Speaker 3: And then week two, it's like, yeah, things aren't going
32:33
Speaker 3: well versus Minnesota, but it's like torrential downpour with rain.
32:37
Speaker 3: Nothing's really going anybody's way. It seems like just a
32:39
Speaker 3: defensive war taking place. And it's kind of like one
32:41
Speaker 3: of those things you just wrap in your head and
32:42
Speaker 3: be like, this is kind of like a throwaway game.
32:44
Speaker 3: for like the Bears offense and what they can be.
32:46
Speaker 3: But when Caleb goes down, you're like, oh my God,
32:48
Speaker 3: it's over in Chicago. No question. The season is done.
32:52
Speaker 3: And just a hammy, man. Clean take. Clean take. Clean take,
32:57
Speaker 3: just a hammy.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Kevin's Natural Foods, clean take. Clean take. We're glad that
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Speaker 3: Caleb Williams is okay.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 3: Clean take. That is a clean take.
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Speaker 4: Clean take.
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Speaker 3: I want to see him out there on Monday. That
33:10
Speaker 3: would be hilarious. Sprinting. The hammy situation.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I never, did you ever have a soft dish like that? Yeah, bro.
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Speaker 5: Play.
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Speaker 3: Grade two hammy at the bottom of the ass. Grade two.
33:22
Speaker 3: Grade two. Dude, it was fucking brutal. But yeah. Strapped up.
33:26
Speaker 3: Picked off Kirk Cousins in RG3 the next day. And
33:30
Speaker 3: two picks, one practice. Yeah. Should have had a third,
33:33
Speaker 3: but just batted it down.
33:34
Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:34
Speaker 3: It was only a PBU. Wanted somebody else to shine
33:36
Speaker 3: for a little bit. But it was brutal.
33:37
Speaker 5: I had to basically like, uh, analogy just like duct
33:40
Speaker 5: tape my entire leg to where i like couldn't swing
33:42
Speaker 5: my leg up oh now obviously if i was a
33:45
Speaker 5: draft pick that year like i'm chilling but i'm thinking i.
33:48
Speaker 3: Can't i can't not go i have to go out
33:51
Speaker 3: there yes absolutely i've never had a soft dish heard
33:55
Speaker 3: it's terrible but hey uh we'll see some tear talks
33:58
Speaker 3: in here jared ladd is it more shocking to say
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Speaker 3: two and orators or oh and two chargers hashtag tear
34:03
Speaker 3: talk p.s Raiders! I mean, we did kind of touch
34:09
Speaker 3: on this a little bit. It's insane to think that
34:11
Speaker 3: the Raiders are 2-0. It's insane.
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Speaker 5: I think it's more insane that the Chargers are starting
34:15
Speaker 5: off 0-2 and their offense is looking like they are.
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Speaker 3: That is the more shocking of the two. That's just
34:21
Speaker 3: bad ball, man.
34:22
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess it equals out because no one talked
34:26
Speaker 5: about the Raiders.
34:26
Speaker 3: How long is the leash before there starts to become
34:30
Speaker 3: a gap talk about the Chargers if it is really
34:33
Speaker 3: this bad? Because if you're always, what are they averaging,
34:36
Speaker 3: like 10 points a game right now? It's horrendous on offense.
34:39
Speaker 3: You're supposed to have a great offense. Devins is supposed
34:41
Speaker 3: to be good too, but Jesse Minter, he gets up
34:43
Speaker 3: and goes to the Ravens. Is there, we get to
34:46
Speaker 3: mid-October and nothing gets better. Is there anger? Is there
34:50
Speaker 3: the fan base? Is there question marks as far as
34:53
Speaker 3: that coaching staff goes?
34:54
Speaker 4: Who do you get mad at though? Are you like
34:57
Speaker 4: Agathe for Harbaugh?
34:58
Speaker 3: Agathe for the coaching staff, yeah. I don't think Agathe
35:01
Speaker 3: for Harbaugh.
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Speaker 4: I think it would be McDaniel.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
35:05
Speaker 5: Does the narrative change on Herbert? Oh, a thousand percent.
35:10
Speaker 5: The narrative's already been there with Herbert. It's like everybody
35:13
Speaker 5: just gives him whatever leash they give him because he
35:14
Speaker 5: has statistically really good games and looks awesome quite a bit.
35:19
Speaker 5: But the narrative is right there. If they continue to
35:23
Speaker 5: have a year like they're having right now, like, yeah, Herbert.
35:26
Speaker 5: They're going to be coming for Herbert.
35:27
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's hard to fathom that it's going to keep
35:30
Speaker 3: going this way. Yeah. The new OC. Like you think
35:35
Speaker 3: he's going to turn all of it around and it
35:36
Speaker 3: seems like it's gotten way worse because of it. Is
35:40
Speaker 3: it that girlfriend of his, man?
35:41
Speaker 4: No.
35:43
Speaker 3: Will, what are we doing? Come on. Just asking questions.
35:48
Speaker 3: Just got to ask questions. Fiance, is it that fiance?
35:50
Speaker 3: That's what real journalism is. Asking the questions. We don't
35:54
Speaker 3: want to know the answer sometimes, but you have to
35:56
Speaker 3: ask the questions.
35:57
Speaker 5: Like she's pretty, I get it. But I'm like, I
35:59
Speaker 5: wonder if that, you know what I mean?
36:02
Speaker 3: It's taking, I mean. It's undefeated. It is undefeated. It's
36:06
Speaker 3: taking down man time and time again. It's taking down
36:08
Speaker 3: our boy Justin Herbert. No, don't say that. Don't say that.
36:11
Speaker 3: Delaney's boy, Delaney loves Herbert. Danny O loves Herbert. Those
36:17
Speaker 3: boys are also in the A-gap if Herbert continues this play.
36:20
Speaker 3: Also in the A-gap. Zmoneyman34, Willie had to hustle mentally
36:24
Speaker 3: to win the first iPhone. No wonder he made it
36:26
Speaker 3: 10 years in the league. Hashtag tier talk.
36:29
Speaker 5: Willie had that hustle mentality to win that first iPhone.
36:33
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, no doubt. There it is. That's a perfect example. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
36:37
Speaker 3: You got some LD too. I see this and I'm
36:41
Speaker 3: happy for you. The only thing going through my brain
36:43
Speaker 3: is what Jared did to me last week.
36:45
Speaker 4: Yeah.
36:47
Speaker 3: After this took place. That went crazy. That did go crazy.
36:52
Speaker 3: Went back and liked every single comment.
36:54
Speaker 4: I still am doing it.
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Speaker 1: Are you really?
36:55
Speaker 10: I will say, just for the record, I felt scummy
36:58
Speaker 10: doing this. I told you guys, I did stutter pretty bad.
37:01
Speaker 10: And when I posted the clip, I cut the stutter out.
37:03
Speaker 10: I made it seem a lot more.
37:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looked like a... I mean, we saw the clip.
37:06
Speaker 3: It looked like a camera's out of food's clean tank,
37:08
Speaker 3: is what it looked like. It was a clean shot,
37:10
Speaker 3: it was what it was. Hit me flush right in
37:13
Speaker 3: the forehead. Ben Sullivan's necklace seems like he's got a...
37:17
Speaker 3: Clean take? Come in here. Hashtag Tear Talk. Hashtag Tear
37:19
Speaker 3: Talk is a dumb idea.
37:20
Speaker 4: Ben.
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Speaker 3: It's not a clean take. That's nasty. Shout out to
37:26
Speaker 3: him doing it correctly. Shout out to him doing the
37:27
Speaker 3: Tear Talk correctly, though. Good form by Ben, but Ben,
37:31
Speaker 3: watch some football, buddy. Come on, Ben. You don't want
37:33
Speaker 3: to be featured on the show? You want to have
37:34
Speaker 3: a little fun with the boys? Part of the whole
37:37
Speaker 3: camaraderie busting with the boys is sitting on a bus,
37:38
Speaker 3: talking ball, getting around, catching a vibe. Having some laughs.
37:42
Speaker 3: Sounds like Ben's not a bro.
37:44
Speaker 5: Yeah.
37:45
Speaker 10: If he doesn't like tier talk, he could just go
37:47
Speaker 10: throw that comment energy on the locker room with his
37:49
Speaker 10: Twitter username.
37:50
Speaker 3: Can win a thousand dollars. Yeah, we'll get you a
37:52
Speaker 3: little PBT. Yeah, so we're now trying to promote him.
37:55
Speaker 2: I'm giving him some advice on where to put the energy.
37:58
Speaker 5: Oh, this is a good one right here from Braxton Martin.
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Speaker 5: Not huge race guy here, but would love the fellas
38:03
Speaker 5: to give a little breakdown on the fight we saw
38:06
Speaker 5: in NASCAR this weekend. Hashtag tier talk, hashtag tier one,
38:09
Speaker 5: hashtag still not good enough.
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Speaker 3: My God, I'm so torn mentally. by this because Ryan Blaney,
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Speaker 3: our first NASCAR guy on the show. Friend of the show,
38:16
Speaker 3: double show. He's been on a couple of our shows.
38:18
Speaker 3: He's a double friend of the show. Love Blaney, love
38:21
Speaker 3: the mustache, everything. Hosovar, I've said it even to the guys,
38:25
Speaker 3: like that's, that's my racing goat right now. I love him.
38:29
Speaker 3: And for him to hit Blaney flush, kind of nice.
38:33
Speaker 3: And to play dumb, like he clearly wrecked him during
38:37
Speaker 3: the race. He said, I don't know what happened. Bro.
38:39
Speaker 3: He just kind of came in and he spun himself
38:41
Speaker 3: and that was it. Blaney, the hat. popping up in
38:44
Speaker 3: the air.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Long hair. And then he went back to swing one arm.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if something got in the way of
38:50
Speaker 3: his arm. I don't know if something got in the
38:52
Speaker 3: way of his arm.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:53
Speaker 5: But he wasn't able to clip Hosobar back at all. Ah,
38:56
Speaker 5: just a lot of bad tape on Blaney right now.
38:59
Speaker 5: Can we just see the clip real quick, Sherm? Can
39:00
Speaker 5: we just see the clip?
39:01
Speaker 4: Because.
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Speaker 3: That's tough.
39:05
Speaker 4: Carson got a clean shot.
39:06
Speaker 3: Also, Blaney ate it. He kept going. Little temple shot. Yeah,
39:11
Speaker 3: he's pissed. He's like, oh, no, I can't go out
39:12
Speaker 3: like that. I can't go out like that.
39:14
Speaker 4: You can see he was shocked at what just happened.
39:16
Speaker 4: He's like, oh, fuck.
39:17
Speaker 3: Blaney with the hair, too. Look at him. He's trying
39:19
Speaker 3: to come back. Oh, that wasn't as bad as I thought.
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Speaker 4: It would be. He connected.
39:25
Speaker 3: He connected, yeah.
39:27
Speaker 4: I mean, not the way you want, not the way
39:28
Speaker 4: you want at all.
39:29
Speaker 3: Cause he went to give the grab first. He wasn't
39:31
Speaker 3: expecting it.
39:32
Speaker 4: Well, the way he walked up was like, he's just
39:34
Speaker 4: kind of looking, looking away. Like if I'm going to JP,
39:36
Speaker 4: he's like looking away.
39:37
Speaker 3: I just want to talk to him. I'll tell, I'll
39:39
Speaker 3: tell you what, go back to, go back to when
39:42
Speaker 3: Blaney clips him. A host of artists and weird hand
39:45
Speaker 3: gestures after not this part, the ending, the ending, the ending. Man,
39:50
Speaker 3: he lands that right. Comes back in. I wish we
39:51
Speaker 3: could slow-mo this. Look at the handle. I don't know
39:55
Speaker 3: what that's all about. He's probably like, what the hell
39:58
Speaker 3: is that? What the hell is that? Oh, we're in
40:00
Speaker 3: a pillow fight? Oh, you threw a Nerf ball in
40:02
Speaker 3: my face right there? We got some slow-mo.
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Speaker 6: Blaney was doing his press conference right after, before the fight,
40:09
Speaker 6: and they were like, are you going to have a
40:10
Speaker 6: word with Hosvar?
40:11
Speaker 4: He's like, something's going to happen.
40:12
Speaker 11: Yeah.
40:13
Speaker 4: Something's going to happen.
40:14
Speaker 1: Yeah.
40:14
Speaker 4: And they're like, what is that?
40:15
Speaker 6: He goes, I don't know.
40:16
Speaker 4: We'll just have to wait and see. And then.
40:18
Speaker 6: to your point of the bad tape. It's like, imagine
40:20
Speaker 6: how hard that edit would have gone. Something's going to happen.
40:23
Speaker 3: He slept him, dude. He's falling. He's got the height.
40:26
Speaker 3: He's got the length on him. Your first, your first
40:29
Speaker 3: tactic can't be to go in and just like grab
40:31
Speaker 3: the jersey. No, he's got length on you. He's already
40:33
Speaker 3: got the length on you. You got to get in
40:35
Speaker 3: the body and bring it over the top. Like you
40:37
Speaker 3: got to understand where your strengths are. Cause that's Slender Man.
40:41
Speaker 3: pop that helmet off man bro super mario bro the
40:44
Speaker 3: punch if you have if you have long hair or
40:48
Speaker 3: a hat on when you get hit it's always gonna
40:50
Speaker 3: look worse than it is that might not even be
40:51
Speaker 3: that good of a hit but the fact that the
40:53
Speaker 3: hat comes off yeah off dude just a tough look.
40:56
Speaker 12: I don't think like kind of to be on host
40:59
Speaker 12: of our side like he kind of did like a
41:00
Speaker 12: crook talking about the race action he did like a
41:02
Speaker 12: crossover to try to get to the inside but blaney
41:06
Speaker 12: tried to block him And so it's not like Josavar
41:09
Speaker 12: purposely spun him out.
41:10
Speaker 4: Like he kind of... Like Josavar had like.
41:13
Speaker 5: You see Josavar kind of straighten it up right at
41:15
Speaker 5: the last millisecond when Blaney was coming across.
41:17
Speaker 3: Josavar could have stopped that from happening.
41:21
Speaker 4: For sure.
41:21
Speaker 12: But I don't think he purposely made it happen. If
41:26
Speaker 12: that makes sense. I don't think he went in there
41:27
Speaker 12: and was like, I'm going to fucking wreck Blaney.
41:29
Speaker 3: Here's a question here too. He's like, all right, Josavar
41:31
Speaker 3: lands the punch right here. Got to get the goal.
41:33
Speaker 3: What's that right? What's that right doing? That right's not
41:35
Speaker 3: coming anytime soon. He's... He's stunned. He's stunned. He got
41:39
Speaker 3: stunned by that.
41:40
Speaker 5: Yeah.
41:41
Speaker 3: I just want to talk to you. Oh, he got
41:42
Speaker 3: a second. He got him twice? He got him twice?
41:44
Speaker 3: He got him twice. Fuck. God.
41:49
Speaker 2: For Ryan Mulaney though, you just got to burn the tape,
41:51
Speaker 2: but this is good for the sport.
41:53
Speaker 3: Great for the sport. This is great for the sport.
41:55
Speaker 5: We need more of this really.
41:56
Speaker 3: We had the CEO on here. I'm sure he's watching
41:58
Speaker 3: that licking his chops right now.
41:59
Speaker 4: But I think the crew members got involved, so.
42:04
Speaker 3: Oh, so there'll be a- There'll be a fine.
42:06
Speaker 4: I don't know, like they weren't the ones, like they
42:08
Speaker 4: were just pulling apart.
42:09
Speaker 3: Oh, they're pulling apart. I think that's fine. That's you.
42:12
Speaker 3: You're protecting your quarterback in that situation. You can't have it.
42:15
Speaker 3: Can't have it. That's good as long as no other
42:16
Speaker 3: punches are being thrown. But if either of those guys
42:18
Speaker 3: get fined, they need to come back to racing with
42:21
Speaker 3: the boys and see that the CEO said, hey, if
42:23
Speaker 3: it's just the drivers, all good. So we should not
42:26
Speaker 3: see a fine come out of NASCAR unless one of
42:28
Speaker 3: the guys, one of the pit crew guys threw a punch.
42:30
Speaker 5: Hopefully we get to cover it on season two of racing.
42:33
Speaker 3: With the boys. Hopefully. Hopefully we get a good conversation
42:35
Speaker 3: taking place. Gotta get both on the bus. Same time.
42:39
Speaker 3: You know what would be a fun segment to do
42:41
Speaker 3: with these race car drivers is getting two of them
42:43
Speaker 3: that are like rivals and doing a lie detector test
42:45
Speaker 3: with them. Yeah. Right? That is sick. Okay, okay, okay.
42:51
Speaker 3: All right. Another fun segment. No bad ideas in a brainstorm.
42:53
Speaker 3: No bad ideas in a brainstorm. Oh, we got Rose
42:55
Speaker 3: Spicy Tear Talk today. And this was brought up by
42:58
Speaker 3: Jeremy Klump. First Dance Wedding Songs.
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Speaker 4: Shout out our boy Deke.
43:03
Speaker 3: Shout out Deke. Get married this weekend, right? Get married
43:05
Speaker 3: this weekend. Shout out Deke. What's that first song going
43:09
Speaker 3: to be? What was your first song? What was your
43:12
Speaker 3: wedding song? Oh, Jesus.
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Speaker 4: Oh, no.
43:16
Speaker 3: He doesn't know. Yes, I do.
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Speaker 13: Yes, I do.
43:18
Speaker 3: After halftime? As you're thinking about it, I'm trying to
43:24
Speaker 3: think of my brain. What is.
43:25
Speaker 2: Best shot by Jimmy Allen.
43:27
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Taylor.
43:28
Speaker 4: What's yours now? Go.
43:29
Speaker 3: We had... It was Bruce Springsteen. And I think it
43:33
Speaker 3: was tougher than the rest. You think it was? Because
43:36
Speaker 3: I know there was a last second change. I'm going
43:39
Speaker 3: to call Taylor.
43:39
Speaker 4: You also had a different kind of wedding. Time out.
43:42
Speaker 2: Everyone was just trying to get at me for not
43:43
Speaker 2: knowing it.
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Speaker 3: He had the celebration the year later. I can't read
43:47
Speaker 3: Bruce Springsteen.
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Speaker 4: I'm bullying you.
43:49
Speaker 3: I'm bullying you.
43:51
Speaker 5: Diamonds are twine by Ryan Hurd.
43:54
Speaker 3: Hey, what was our wedding song? I'll be wrapped around
43:57
Speaker 3: your finger.
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Speaker 4: So, okay.
44:01
Speaker 3: Okay. She just said, it depends. Oh, by the way,
44:04
Speaker 3: you're on bussing. I'll put you on speaker. All right.
44:11
Speaker 3: You're on speaker. What was our wedding song? It honestly depends.
44:15
Speaker 3: Like the one we tell people it.
44:17
Speaker 5: Is or the one that actually was.
44:18
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. Do both. What are those? same bro it's
44:25
Speaker 3: like uh but it's like bruce bruce tougher tougher than
44:30
Speaker 3: the rest okay i got that one right and then
44:32
Speaker 3: there was another one we're like oh we like that
44:33
Speaker 3: one better we'll just say that one's ours no tougher
44:36
Speaker 3: than us is.
44:37
Speaker 7: The one we like better.
44:39
Speaker 3: We said was ours oh what was.
44:41
Speaker 7: Uh all right and i don't remember which one.
44:44
Speaker 3: Yeah shout out george straight all right i love you
44:45
Speaker 3: i gotta i gotta go all right You say boot
44:49
Speaker 3: scoot boogie? Boot scoot boogie. So best wedding songs. Best
44:54
Speaker 3: wedding songs. Sorry.
44:56
Speaker 6: This is how you fall in love by Jeremy Zucker
44:59
Speaker 6: and Chelsea Cutler.
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Speaker 4: Ooh.
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Speaker 3: Go clap, go clap. I like that. I like that.
45:05
Speaker 3: Best wedding songs.
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Speaker 4: Sherm, what was yours?
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Speaker 13: Nothing Can Change This Love by Sam Cooke.
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Speaker 3: Nice.
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Speaker 4: I think there's your two-shot.
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Speaker 3: Well, old school.
45:17
Speaker 5: Yeah, we might as well just, we just rattle off. Well,
45:19
Speaker 5: what is yours gonna be one day, Jared?
45:23
Speaker 3: I gotta think. Downtown Macklemore. Yeah! Downtown! Freak-a-leek, peaty-pop. Freak-a-leek, yes! Dude,
45:32
Speaker 3: I love when there's like the piano when the bride's
45:35
Speaker 3: walking down and it's like very much not a wedding song,
45:38
Speaker 3: but they do it as a piano song.
45:40
Speaker 4: I love that.
45:43
Speaker 13: A sleeper walk down the aisle is the Jurassic Park theme.
45:47
Speaker 3: Shut up.
45:48
Speaker 4: For real?
45:48
Speaker 3: I swear to God. We did some 41 Fat Lip
45:51
Speaker 3: and I was like, well, this thing's kind of going
45:54
Speaker 3: hard right now.
45:57
Speaker 10: No one's going to agree with me or even know
45:58
Speaker 10: what I'm talking about. There are some tracks on the
46:01
Speaker 10: Minecraft soundtrack that are very good wedding songs.
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Speaker 3: Drop a list, dude. Drop a graphic later this week.
46:07
Speaker 4: They're really good.
46:07
Speaker 3: Drop a graphic?
46:08
Speaker 10: They're a piano soundtrack for tier three. Yeah, Minecraft soundtrack
46:12
Speaker 10: to walk down the aisle to.
46:14
Speaker 3: All right. Who is it? Kyle Long? Who's with me
46:19
Speaker 3: on this? Kyle Long? Yeah, Kyle Long.
46:21
Speaker 4: Is that who it is?
46:22
Speaker 1: Yeah.
46:22
Speaker 4: He'll know. He'll get it.
46:23
Speaker 5: I just wasn't going to say anything because I didn't
46:25
Speaker 5: know if he was trying to sneak one in on
46:27
Speaker 5: us right there.
46:27
Speaker 3: Oh, I was about to fall face first.
46:29
Speaker 4: He got me.
46:30
Speaker 3: I was about to fall face first if that's the case.
46:32
Speaker 13: For Rippin' with the Boys, a fun little flair, Post
46:37
Speaker 13: Malone's Only Wanna Be With You cover is what we,
46:40
Speaker 13: after we kiss and we announce the bride and groom, blah, blah, blah,
46:44
Speaker 13: and we walked out to that, features a sample from
46:47
Speaker 13: Pokemon Silver, I believe, in the beat.
46:51
Speaker 3: Shout out shout out i tell you that rips but
46:54
Speaker 3: once will brought up the idea that someone's trying to
46:56
Speaker 3: get somebody i am now in defense mode right now
46:59
Speaker 3: and it's very hard for me to do this podcast.
47:00
Speaker 13: Oh you thought i was trying to i don't know
47:02
Speaker 13: i don't know i was not trying to get you all.
47:05
Speaker 3: Right because now i'm scared a little bit i was
47:07
Speaker 3: just a little nervous right now.
47:09
Speaker 7: Well you'll get somebody you got uh actually i had
47:14
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47:18
Speaker 7: reporter during a Kevin's Natural Foods media thing.
47:21
Speaker 1: He did.
47:21
Speaker 3: I put him in the dirt. It was awesome. Did
47:23
Speaker 3: they hear it? I hope so. What was his name?
47:26
Speaker 1: Sterling?
47:26
Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah, Sterling. Nice stash too. I killed this poor man, dude.
47:31
Speaker 3: Over Zoom? Over Zoom. Over Zoom. And it was low
47:35
Speaker 3: hanging fruit.
47:35
Speaker 5: It was like that's what happened to me the other day.
47:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
47:37
Speaker 11: Yeah.
47:39
Speaker 3: Dude, we were, because he started the interview about like
47:42
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, did we forget Josh Allen ruined the playoffs
47:44
Speaker 3: for them? And we were like, whoa, whoa, whoa. The
47:46
Speaker 3: anti-Josh Allen guy. Yeah, anti-Josh Allen. Anytime Josh Allen comes up,
47:49
Speaker 3: I immediately think these nuts jokes. And then he randomly
47:53
Speaker 3: asked us what our favorite music is to listen to
47:57
Speaker 3: or like a guilty pleasure of music. So I hit
47:59
Speaker 3: him with the radioactive. Like, who sings radioactive? And he said,
48:03
Speaker 3: Imagine Dragons and Buddy.
48:05
Speaker 5: It was....
48:06
Speaker 3: The bummer is, is I don't know if anybody's seen it.
48:09
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people saw Jared's. I know
48:12
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48:15
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48:18
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48:21
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48:22
Speaker 3: Imagine dragging these nuts across your face. So he got
48:25
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48:29
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48:32
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48:35
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48:38
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48:41
Speaker 5: Are they?
48:41
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Speaker 5: Let's get into these interviews with Zach Thomas and Charles Haley.
50:32
Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, this is a special episode of Busts
50:37
Speaker 5: with Voice. We have on Zach Thomas joining us. We're
50:40
Speaker 5: on the Madden bus right now. Zach Thomas, top five,
50:44
Speaker 5: I think number five all-time leading tackler, finally got in
50:48
Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame.
50:49
Speaker 3: I know it's been an argument for, well, how long
50:51
Speaker 3: has it been? Like over a decade?
50:53
Speaker 11: It was, I had to wait nine years, but that's
50:56
Speaker 11: really 14.
50:56
Speaker 1: Yeah.
50:58
Speaker 11: You know, and so when I wouldn't make it, you know,
51:00
Speaker 11: I'd go read the comments to try to boost my ego.
51:02
Speaker 1: A little bit.
51:04
Speaker 3: Feel good?
51:05
Speaker 11: Feel better about myself. But you come across comments, it's like,
51:08
Speaker 11: Is Zach Thomas a Hall of Famer?
51:10
Speaker 1: You read one that says, nah.
51:12
Speaker 4: Like, no, hell no.
51:14
Speaker 11: Nowadays, that shit don't matter. When they even say he's
51:17
Speaker 11: all a good, but he's, I'm here. It doesn't matter
51:19
Speaker 11: what ballot you are. And that's why I'm just grateful
51:22
Speaker 11: for that.
51:23
Speaker 3: But man, that's a little piece of like the new
51:25
Speaker 3: era of football is where you get done playing a
51:27
Speaker 3: game and you'll see nine comments. But you killed it.
51:30
Speaker 3: You're awesome. I kind of am kind of great. But
51:32
Speaker 3: what's funny, the one that's like you suck and you're like, fuck,
51:36
Speaker 3: they know. But what's funny for Zach is they know
51:38
Speaker 3: how they find out. But what's funny for Zach is
51:40
Speaker 3: he carries that. He still has that competitive edge and
51:42
Speaker 3: sees it just as a human being and a player.
51:44
Speaker 3: but he didn't even play in a generation where there
51:46
Speaker 3: were comments.
51:47
Speaker 4: Exactly.
51:47
Speaker 3: Or social media.
51:48
Speaker 4: That's true.
51:49
Speaker 11: I mean, it wasn't Leather Helmet days, but it was
51:52
Speaker 11: one of those where I used to find comments as
51:54
Speaker 11: something to motivate myself, you know? Yeah. And it could be,
51:57
Speaker 11: you know, we went to Buffalo one year, and during
52:01
Speaker 11: the week I made the Pro Bowl, and this guy
52:02
Speaker 11: named Sam Cowher, he had a Pro Bowl year. And
52:05
Speaker 11: his mom went on to the media saying, It was like,
52:09
Speaker 11: my son deserved it over Zach Thomas. And really, he
52:12
Speaker 11: did deserve the Pro Bowl. And we both had a
52:15
Speaker 11: good year. But that whole game, I was motivated not
52:18
Speaker 11: to please Sam Coward's mom, which is crazy.
52:22
Speaker 3: It didn't matter.
52:22
Speaker 1: Just be motivated.
52:23
Speaker 3: You always got to find something.
52:26
Speaker 11: Every play, don't have her leaving this place saying, I
52:29
Speaker 11: told you so.
52:30
Speaker 4: That's the only thing.
52:31
Speaker 11: Any type of motivation, I found it. And I got
52:35
Speaker 11: a lot of, I would say, hate. Because I just
52:38
Speaker 11: didn't fit the part. I wasn't the size.
52:41
Speaker 3: I mean, you were 5'11. Well.
52:42
Speaker 4: Hold on now.
52:44
Speaker 3: We'll give you six feet.
52:46
Speaker 1: No, I was 5'11 at the combine. I don't know how.
52:49
Speaker 1: But I was never been 5'11 in my life. I
52:50
Speaker 1: think now I'm like 5'10.
52:52
Speaker 4: Okay.
52:53
Speaker 11: But, you know, when I sent my tape and everything
52:56
Speaker 11: to Florida State when I was trying to go there because,
52:59
Speaker 11: you know, I love Marvin Jones and Derrick Brooks and
53:02
Speaker 11: the whole war chant. Um, they said, you look five, 10.
53:05
Speaker 11: I was, and even though it said I was six foot,
53:08
Speaker 11: you know, on the, uh, but, uh, but yeah, I
53:11
Speaker 11: never got the respect because when people look at you,
53:16
Speaker 11: you know, they're like, ah, he's a, he's an overachiever.
53:19
Speaker 1: He's the, you know, try hard guy.
53:22
Speaker 3: Five, 10 hard, gritty and neck up type of guy.
53:25
Speaker 3: Sneaky fast.
53:26
Speaker 4: Yeah.
53:27
Speaker 5: Five, 10 white boy coming out of Texas. Like, yeah,
53:30
Speaker 5: you're just not gonna.
53:31
Speaker 1: And he's smart player. Oh, I mean, it's a compliment.
53:36
Speaker 3: It's a badge of honor.
53:36
Speaker 1: I hate that.
53:37
Speaker 4: I hate it. I wanted that.
53:39
Speaker 3: I love it. I'll feed into it even more. Being
53:42
Speaker 3: called a smart player, I feel like long-term is a
53:44
Speaker 3: great compliment. But if you're going through the combine process,
53:46
Speaker 3: being evaluated based on your strengths, weaknesses, and speed. Like
53:49
Speaker 3: the tangibles. You want them people to be like, long, athletic,
53:53
Speaker 3: can do things other guys can't. Like that's the shit
53:55
Speaker 3: that gets you like, oh, hell yeah.
53:56
Speaker 5: When they lead with the word intangibles, you're like, fuck,
53:59
Speaker 5: I'm already in a box.
54:00
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. And about two box guys. Two box guys.
54:03
Speaker 5: But this is this, this career that Zach had, like
54:06
Speaker 5: this is the peak of anybody who would be an
54:10
Speaker 5: undrafted cat. Like you come in out of Texas Tech,
54:13
Speaker 5: you're five, we'll say 5'11 for the show, but naturally 5'10.
54:17
Speaker 5: But coming out of Texas Tech, getting drafted with the
54:20
Speaker 5: fifth round to the Miami Dolphins, being at the bottom
54:23
Speaker 5: of the depth chart and becoming the starter that year
54:27
Speaker 5: over Jack Del Rio, and then having the career that
54:30
Speaker 5: you had, I mean, that is the blueprint. Yeah.
54:34
Speaker 11: You know, we talk about the combine and everything and going.
54:37
Speaker 11: I mean, I went 154th pick, but at the combine,
54:40
Speaker 11: I remember because I was All-American and all that, and
54:43
Speaker 11: I go there, and I had 17 guys get drafted.
54:46
Speaker 4: Ahead of me.
54:47
Speaker 11: But we're doing all these drills, and I wasn't a tester.
54:51
Speaker 11: And we get there, and we're doing the vertical jump.
54:54
Speaker 11: And my vertical, I never had a vertical, man. 28
54:57
Speaker 11: and a half. So I miss opening height. And I'm
55:00
Speaker 11: walking back.
55:00
Speaker 3: Like a little pit bull jumping. That walk back.
55:02
Speaker 11: All these guys were just giving me that stick yeah
55:05
Speaker 11: it was i was pissed because you know they're all
55:08
Speaker 11: this this guy's overrated getting all this love my junior
55:11
Speaker 11: and senior year and uh i was just so pissed
55:14
Speaker 11: you can't you don't have to jump to hit anybody
55:16
Speaker 11: to be honest with you but uh i just didn't
55:18
Speaker 11: test good even with the 40 but i run faster
55:21
Speaker 11: with my pads.
55:22
Speaker 3: On what was the 40 what was it 48 485
55:24
Speaker 3: hey same Let's go.
55:29
Speaker 4: You were 4'8.
55:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was 4'8, 7. It was a record.
55:32
Speaker 4: I was better.
55:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
55:34
Speaker 5: For an O-line.
55:35
Speaker 1: My 20-yard shuttle was good.
55:36
Speaker 11: I don't think it was as good as yours because
55:38
Speaker 11: I looked it up.
55:39
Speaker 1: I did my research.
55:40
Speaker 3: Oh, no shit.
55:41
Speaker 1: I think I ran a 4-2-4. I know I ran
55:43
Speaker 1: a 4-2-4. You ran a 4-2.
55:45
Speaker 3: And you know who... He's pretty good at those. Those
55:48
Speaker 3: back and forth. Those back and forth.
55:49
Speaker 1: That's all you have to do. Yeah. The lateral movement
55:52
Speaker 1: at linebacker is mostly what you're doing. The angles, right?
55:56
Speaker 1: But AJ Hawk ran a three.
55:58
Speaker 2: Nine, six.
55:59
Speaker 3: That's ridiculous.
56:01
Speaker 5: Three, nine.
56:02
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, for anybody really.
56:04
Speaker 4: Yeah.
56:05
Speaker 11: And so I always, when I'm chasing somebody and I'm
56:08
Speaker 11: running at angles and my first step and anticipation was good.
56:12
Speaker 11: So it didn't really matter, you know? But I'm not
56:15
Speaker 11: going to exaggerate how good I was now on the bus.
56:18
Speaker 3: You don't have to exaggerate. You have a hall of fame.
56:21
Speaker 3: You're wearing the gold jacket. It's over. You finally got it, brother.
56:24
Speaker 1: I was going to wear it today.
56:25
Speaker 3: Maybe you put that mic a little bit closer.
56:28
Speaker 1: Okay.
56:28
Speaker 3: If you want, you can put it up for you
56:31
Speaker 3: a little bit. It might be maxed.
56:33
Speaker 4: Is it bad?
56:34
Speaker 3: Oh, put it higher? Yeah, yeah. This is what happens
56:37
Speaker 3: on the bus.
56:38
Speaker 4: We're all good, man.
56:39
Speaker 3: We're not a produced, well-structured show.
56:42
Speaker 4: It's good it's edited.
56:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. We'll probably keep this in.
56:49
Speaker 5: Hopefully we got the shot of Charles Haley staring through
56:53
Speaker 5: Matt's soul.
56:55
Speaker 4: So, have it here?
56:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I want. I got the thigh working
56:58
Speaker 3: right there.
56:58
Speaker 4: Like this?
56:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, just as long as this thing's right around the mouth.
57:03
Speaker 4: Oh, God.
57:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, listen. Matt and Busto, how cool is that?
57:06
Speaker 1: Hey, that's cool.
57:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, you get to sit here, do a podcast. A
57:09
Speaker 3: little bit of inconvenience with the stand, but. I'll tell
57:11
Speaker 3: you a piece of history.
57:12
Speaker 11: I'll tell you what, with Madden, like I had a
57:14
Speaker 11: 97 on.
57:16
Speaker 1: The rating. That's not bad.
57:17
Speaker 3: That's fucking awesome. 97 is unbelievable.
57:20
Speaker 4: Yeah.
57:21
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
57:21
Speaker 1: I mean, I could be exaggerating. Look it up.
57:23
Speaker 11: But the thing with Madden, though, what I love, we
57:26
Speaker 11: used to go with him before games. He got his,
57:30
Speaker 11: he was, I think he really thought about with my
57:35
Speaker 11: pregame routine. He really asked me about that. And, you know,
57:39
Speaker 11: I always told him I shave and shower before the game,
57:42
Speaker 11: you know, and he couldn't believe it. You know, he
57:44
Speaker 11: just thinks a guy needs to be scruffy, you know,
57:47
Speaker 11: just missing teeth and all that. That's his linebackers, old
57:50
Speaker 11: school linebackers. But he said to me, the one thing
57:52
Speaker 11: I always remember, so he said, you should shower and
57:54
Speaker 11: shave before a game, every game. He was so interested
57:57
Speaker 11: in that. But you know him. That's just how he was.
58:00
Speaker 11: And he's a legend. And just to be on his
58:02
Speaker 11: bus right now.
58:03
Speaker 5: Dude, I know the enthusiasm and passion that he had
58:05
Speaker 5: for the game. Going back, starting again with your with
58:09
Speaker 5: your career when you got to Miami, what do you,
58:11
Speaker 5: what was it that Jimmy Johnson saw in you for where, again,
58:15
Speaker 5: going from fourth, starting at the bottom when you get there,
58:17
Speaker 5: because again, fifth round pick, like anybody on day three,
58:20
Speaker 5: five through seven rounds, you're basically, you could be considered
58:23
Speaker 5: like an undrafted cat, but going and becoming the starter
58:26
Speaker 5: and taking a job like Jack Del Rio's, what was
58:28
Speaker 5: it that Jimmy Johnson saw in you for you to
58:31
Speaker 5: kind of start the season as the guy?
58:32
Speaker 11: Well, the special teams coach, Mike Westhoff came and worked
58:36
Speaker 11: me out at tech and, uh, when I saw him,
58:39
Speaker 11: he watched a lot of tape on me. And when I,
58:41
Speaker 11: he asked me how, how much I benched. And I
58:43
Speaker 11: told him 20 to 25, 20 times. And I saw
58:46
Speaker 11: him right now in 24. I'm like, damn, I wasn't
58:49
Speaker 11: going to correct him either.
58:50
Speaker 1: Yeah.
58:50
Speaker 11: You know, but, uh, but he's the one that got
58:53
Speaker 11: me there for special teams. So Jimmy thought I was
58:56
Speaker 11: coming in as a special team. And when I got there,
58:59
Speaker 11: it didn't take, he said one week in camp. Cause
59:02
Speaker 11: he even told him in OTAs or whatever it was,
59:06
Speaker 11: that I was going to be the starter. And it
59:09
Speaker 11: took a week, you know, and to be honest, we
59:12
Speaker 11: might sound, you know, arrogant, but I don't there wasn't
59:16
Speaker 11: a time that I didn't start. It doesn't matter when
59:19
Speaker 11: I started eight years old. I never had that Tom Brady,
59:23
Speaker 11: you know, fourth team, third team, you know, backup and
59:27
Speaker 11: all that my whole career. you know, from, but it's from,
59:30
Speaker 11: I'm from a small town, like both of you guys,
59:32
Speaker 11: you know? And so I never had that competition that
59:36
Speaker 11: you would have. And so I was always the oldest
59:38
Speaker 11: kid too. So my confidence was sky high. And so
59:43
Speaker 11: going there, I was going there to win the starting
59:46
Speaker 11: job and it took a week and I held it
59:48
Speaker 11: for 12 years and even going to tech, you know,
59:52
Speaker 11: my freshman year, I earned a starting job. And so,
59:56
Speaker 11: you know, I felt like that's where, I was good at,
1:00:00
Speaker 11: you know, and Jimmy brought me in to be special
1:00:02
Speaker 11: teams and then he figured it out quick and started
1:00:04
Speaker 11: me from the get go. But I had a great timing.
1:00:08
Speaker 11: The timings, you got to have good timing. You got
1:00:10
Speaker 11: to have the right coach. You know, you can go
1:00:12
Speaker 11: at a different scheme. That's, you know, not be the
1:00:15
Speaker 11: same player. So I had to be a little lucky
1:00:17
Speaker 11: along the way, which I was, because if I went
1:00:19
Speaker 11: to Pittsburgh, I would have been a special teams player,
1:00:22
Speaker 11: especially with LeBron Kirkland and those big linebackers.
1:00:24
Speaker 1: Those are the plugger linebackers back then, you know?
1:00:27
Speaker 4: And so.
1:00:28
Speaker 11: I went to the, it was a rebuilding team, Jimmy's
1:00:31
Speaker 11: first year. So it was perfect timing and, and yeah,
1:00:34
Speaker 11: they cut Jack and, and put me in the starting lineup.
1:00:38
Speaker 3: How a week.
1:00:39
Speaker 4: What's it?
1:00:39
Speaker 3: Yeah. They say a week, but he's just mentioned OTAs
1:00:43
Speaker 3: as well. Like a week in OTAs. We, are we
1:00:45
Speaker 3: full pads in OTAs back then?
1:00:47
Speaker 1: We were.
1:00:47
Speaker 3: Okay. So there's a little more physicality. Now it's like, Hey,
1:00:51
Speaker 3: we're in underwear. We'll find out in August what we got.
1:00:55
Speaker 3: Just sitting down with you, you can tell how competitive
1:00:57
Speaker 3: you are. You do your research. You've already brought up
1:00:59
Speaker 3: a couple things about us. It's like, oh shit, he
1:01:01
Speaker 3: actually looked up a couple things.
1:01:02
Speaker 11: I know about you too. I'm not going to take
1:01:05
Speaker 11: over this show, but you know what?
1:01:06
Speaker 1: Small town.
1:01:07
Speaker 3: Hey, you know what?
1:01:10
Speaker 11: Freshman year in high.
1:01:11
Speaker 1: School, guess what our record was?
1:01:13
Speaker 3: What was it? 15-0.
1:01:15
Speaker 11: Hey, guess sophomore year. We were 6-4. Guess what I did?
1:01:20
Speaker 3: What'd you do?
1:01:21
Speaker 1: I moved.
1:01:22
Speaker 11: My dad, my dad, my dad bought a house in Pampa,
1:01:27
Speaker 11: Texas is a 4A school. And, you know, we had
1:01:30
Speaker 11: some problems getting there because they said it was for
1:01:33
Speaker 11: honors classes. You know, I wanted to move for honors,
1:01:35
Speaker 11: but it's for football. Of course, because I wouldn't have
1:01:37
Speaker 11: a chance there in 1A to get a scholarship. But
1:01:40
Speaker 11: it's similar story because I've watched the show. And when
1:01:45
Speaker 11: I heard that, I'm like, what? We have the same,
1:01:47
Speaker 11: same path, which is crazy.
1:01:49
Speaker 3: A couple of state champions sitting here, 15 and 0. God.
1:01:52
Speaker 4: State champions.
1:01:53
Speaker 3: I am envious. That was the best time ever. Of
1:01:55
Speaker 3: all your accolades, state championships got to be up at
1:01:58
Speaker 3: the top.
1:01:58
Speaker 11: No, that's, that's number one.
1:01:59
Speaker 4: Okay.
1:02:00
Speaker 3: So, hey, once again, aligned.
1:02:03
Speaker 4: Oh my God.
1:02:04
Speaker 3: It was the best. I'll tell you what I do.
1:02:05
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what I do. I do envy it
1:02:08
Speaker 5: because I feel like I would agree. Like high school,
1:02:12
Speaker 5: the high school vibes were the best vibes.
1:02:13
Speaker 3: High school is the greatest time that you like, I
1:02:16
Speaker 3: don't know. I feel like maybe some guys did, but
1:02:18
Speaker 3: I never felt once I realized like I wanted to
1:02:21
Speaker 3: play football, like as a career, like I want this
1:02:24
Speaker 3: to be my life. I was always so solely focused
1:02:26
Speaker 3: on making it to the NFL, getting the NFL that
1:02:29
Speaker 3: I probably didn't. I wasn't as present as I would
1:02:31
Speaker 3: have liked to been even in high school.
1:02:33
Speaker 11: My freshman year, we had a great team. We were
1:02:35
Speaker 11: all white. We didn't we didn't deserve when it stayed,
1:02:38
Speaker 11: but we won it because we found a way. And
1:02:40
Speaker 11: it was just guys just.
1:02:41
Speaker 1: Tough, man.
1:02:42
Speaker 11: And we all every Friday and Saturday nights, we would
1:02:45
Speaker 11: be in the weight room.
1:02:46
Speaker 14: Yeah.
1:02:46
Speaker 11: You know, and that's where I feel like I got
1:02:49
Speaker 11: all my confidence from the weight room, man. Cause you know,
1:02:51
Speaker 11: when you get in shape, you just walk and talk.
1:02:53
Speaker 3: To your man. On a Saturday too. And you're thinking
1:02:57
Speaker 3: to yourself, ain't no way any of these other guys
1:02:58
Speaker 3: are doing it.
1:02:59
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:02:59
Speaker 3: Oh, also talk about alignment. 15 to know a bunch
1:03:02
Speaker 3: of white guys in a couple of Mexicans. We got
1:03:04
Speaker 3: it done. We had to say Tommy Martinez.
1:03:06
Speaker 4: He's the one Mexican.
1:03:07
Speaker 3: I remember all our guys.
1:03:08
Speaker 2: And so, uh, yeah, that right there, it was a.
1:03:10
Speaker 11: Great, senior class that, you know, I could watch my
1:03:19
Speaker 11: brother was all natural athlete though. And he was different
1:03:22
Speaker 11: than me. He was six, two and a half. And
1:03:24
Speaker 11: he played a tech with me and went on scholarship
1:03:27
Speaker 11: as well, but he was our quarterback. And so, uh, that,
1:03:31
Speaker 11: that whole time, I mean, I just remember when, when
1:03:35
Speaker 11: the opposing team would pull up on their bus and
1:03:38
Speaker 11: we were all outside and we'd stare them down, there's
1:03:41
Speaker 11: nothing to replace that ever.
1:03:43
Speaker 1: I love that.
1:03:44
Speaker 3: I love that, man.
1:03:45
Speaker 11: It was the best ever. We had a team, we
1:03:47
Speaker 11: had a team that, that we were out on the
1:03:50
Speaker 11: field and they were our rival, their panhandle, that they
1:03:54
Speaker 11: showed up for kickoff from the bus. They warmed up
1:03:57
Speaker 11: because they were 10 minutes away. They warmed up and
1:03:58
Speaker 11: then they got on the bus and came for kickoff, right?
1:04:01
Speaker 11: Got off the bus. We whooped their ass. It was disrespect,
1:04:04
Speaker 11: you know.
1:04:05
Speaker 4: What I'm saying?
1:04:06
Speaker 11: So it was just one of those, you can't replace
1:04:08
Speaker 11: those moments, man. I remember those for the rest of
1:04:10
Speaker 11: my life. And that was more fun than anything, even
1:04:12
Speaker 11: in my pros. It was just because you enjoy football.
1:04:16
Speaker 11: There was no business to it. And I love my
1:04:20
Speaker 11: small town.
1:04:21
Speaker 3: He's telling a guy that just absolutely loved ball. You
1:04:24
Speaker 3: mentioned earlier about like you were always John Madden's bus.
1:04:28
Speaker 3: Got to be respectful. You mentioned earlier about everywhere you went,
1:04:31
Speaker 3: you were always a starter. Was there ever a point
1:04:33
Speaker 3: in your career that you might've doubted your capabilities or
1:04:36
Speaker 3: was worried about losing your spot or not gaining a spot?
1:04:39
Speaker 3: They draft or they drafted somebody. They drafted somebody. Cause
1:04:42
Speaker 3: you were what? 14th guy, 14th linebacker taking in your
1:04:45
Speaker 3: draft class.
1:04:45
Speaker 11: I was, I was insecure, man. So I'd over prepare.
1:04:49
Speaker 11: That was just me to make myself feel better, sleep better. Um,
1:04:53
Speaker 11: but I really never was pushed and it was all
1:04:56
Speaker 11: from the inside and, not knocking anybody. I did have
1:05:00
Speaker 11: games where I was hurt. And, uh, the guy that
1:05:03
Speaker 11: went in, uh, he played good. I'm like, damn, I
1:05:06
Speaker 11: need to get my ass back out there before, you know?
1:05:08
Speaker 11: So I had ways, but I, man, to be honest
1:05:12
Speaker 11: with you, I didn't really have any, uh, competition when
1:05:14
Speaker 11: it came to, uh, and maybe because they didn't recruit
1:05:18
Speaker 11: a lot of guys, Channing Crowder came in and he
1:05:21
Speaker 11: pretty much took my job. I'll tell him that he
1:05:23
Speaker 11: loves that. He loves that. I know he was on
1:05:26
Speaker 11: your show, but he's a great guy. And he learned
1:05:32
Speaker 11: a lot, but he was a smart player. He really was, man.
1:05:35
Speaker 11: And he does a great job with his podcast as well. Yeah,
1:05:37
Speaker 11: The Pivot Rich.
1:05:39
Speaker 3: What year did he come in?
1:05:42
Speaker 4: Not really.
1:05:43
Speaker 11: Oh, Nick Saban's first year. You know, Nick was trying
1:05:47
Speaker 11: to get rid of me from the get-go. He tried
1:05:49
Speaker 11: to trade me to Green Bay for Javon Walker or something.
1:05:53
Speaker 11: So I didn't like Nick at first. And then, you know,
1:05:58
Speaker 11: he brought a 3-4. He thought I wasn't big enough.
1:06:01
Speaker 11: And so I just played really good. And he couldn't
1:06:03
Speaker 11: trade me after that, you know. And so it really
1:06:06
Speaker 11: protected me more. You would think a 3-4, it's different
1:06:09
Speaker 11: with different type 3-4s, but there's five guys on the
1:06:11
Speaker 11: line of scrimmage.
1:06:12
Speaker 3: Right.
1:06:13
Speaker 11: And so anytime I can shade up guys and they
1:06:15
Speaker 11: gave me the freedom to do that, to never where
1:06:18
Speaker 11: there was guys getting clean shots on you, you know,
1:06:20
Speaker 11: and as a linebacker, that helped me. And and I
1:06:25
Speaker 11: got the freedom to do that because we were more basic, simple.
1:06:29
Speaker 11: And so they, you know, defensive coordinators knew that I
1:06:32
Speaker 11: did a lot of studying and all that, that they
1:06:34
Speaker 11: let me have that freedom.
1:06:35
Speaker 3: How was that the experience with Nick Saban?
1:06:38
Speaker 5: Because obviously he came to the NFL and he went
1:06:40
Speaker 5: back to college and people talk about all the time.
1:06:42
Speaker 5: But having a front row seat being Zach Thomas when
1:06:44
Speaker 5: he comes in, how was that experience with Nick Saban?
1:06:47
Speaker 1: You know what?
1:06:48
Speaker 11: He had some great coaches. We had Will Muschamp, Kirby Smart.
1:06:53
Speaker 11: Dan Quinn, it's a great staff. And, and he really
1:06:56
Speaker 11: was prepared, man. It's just that, you know, he should
1:07:00
Speaker 11: thank Drew Brees because not picking him up. I mean,
1:07:05
Speaker 11: that's why he's the best college coach ever.
1:07:08
Speaker 1: Right.
1:07:08
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:07:09
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the greatest.
1:07:10
Speaker 11: What do y'all say?
1:07:11
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. But if we.
1:07:13
Speaker 11: Picked up drew where he passed on drew, he would
1:07:17
Speaker 11: still be, uh, I don't know if he would still
1:07:19
Speaker 11: be coaching to the dolphins, but we would have had
1:07:20
Speaker 11: a lot better. That's why he went running. Because he
1:07:24
Speaker 11: saw it coming, you know?
1:07:26
Speaker 4: He knew.
1:07:26
Speaker 1: He knew.
1:07:27
Speaker 3: He was there for one year?
1:07:29
Speaker 11: No, he was there for two.
1:07:30
Speaker 3: Two years, went to Alabama.
1:07:31
Speaker 4: And he bounced.
1:07:32
Speaker 3: What was the team perspective of Nick Saban at the time?
1:07:36
Speaker 3: Because he won a national championship at LSU, right? From there,
1:07:39
Speaker 3: goes to Miami for two years and then bounces back
1:07:41
Speaker 3: to Alabama.
1:07:42
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you clearly have a pulse in.
1:07:43
Speaker 3: The locker room when he's in there.
1:07:45
Speaker 11: Yeah, he tried to, you know.
1:07:50
Speaker 1: You know, he was.
1:07:51
Speaker 3: He tried to be hard.
1:07:53
Speaker 11: coming in too early. You got to earn the respect
1:07:55
Speaker 11: of the guy, especially grown-ass men. And, you know, and
1:08:00
Speaker 11: it's not like college. And so he would curse guys out.
1:08:03
Speaker 11: He'd curse coaches out, things like that. Not to knock Nick.
1:08:05
Speaker 11: He's a great coach. All of our coaches curse everybody out.
1:08:10
Speaker 5: But obviously, that coaching at the college level, you do
1:08:12
Speaker 5: gain a different perspective when you are in the NFL
1:08:15
Speaker 5: with all the grown men that are around.
1:08:17
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.
1:08:18
Speaker 11: And so, you know, he had a couple mistakes he
1:08:21
Speaker 11: wished he'd take back. But, you know, I felt like
1:08:24
Speaker 11: all we were missing was a quarterback at the time.
1:08:27
Speaker 11: It was a revolving door. There were the Dolphins. And
1:08:30
Speaker 11: once he passed on Nick Saban, I mean, on Drew Brees, yeah,
1:08:36
Speaker 11: he bounced, man.
1:08:38
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:08:38
Speaker 11: It was a good move.
1:08:39
Speaker 1: It was a good move.
1:08:40
Speaker 3: It was a strategic move.
1:08:41
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:08:43
Speaker 11: I knew exactly when he was leaving because he got
1:08:47
Speaker 11: real nice at the end of the year. And I'm like, damn,
1:08:49
Speaker 11: this guy's gone. Yeah. You know, he's being nice to everybody.
1:08:53
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:08:53
Speaker 11: I was like, that ain't, something's up.
1:08:55
Speaker 5: Letting us out a little early, being super nice to us.
1:08:58
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:08:58
Speaker 3: How was it with Jimmy Jackson?
1:09:00
Speaker 5: Obviously he's a legend of the game.
1:09:02
Speaker 11: That's my guy, man. You know, he gave me everything,
1:09:05
Speaker 11: gave me that chance, started me as a rookie.
1:09:08
Speaker 1: He was awesome.
1:09:08
Speaker 11: He had, you know, a psychology major and his talks
1:09:13
Speaker 11: during the week and all that were awesome, man. And
1:09:16
Speaker 11: I love that guy and try to keep in touch.
1:09:20
Speaker 11: with him and I owe everything to him.
1:09:23
Speaker 5: When was the first time you mentioned, you know, playing
1:09:26
Speaker 5: the high school days and you learned about more of
1:09:28
Speaker 5: it being a business. When was the first time you
1:09:30
Speaker 5: experienced the business side of the NFL?
1:09:33
Speaker 1: Whew.
1:09:34
Speaker 4: That's a good question.
1:09:37
Speaker 11: Well, I feel like when I was, when I was,
1:09:39
Speaker 11: when Nick Saban tried to train me, cause I was
1:09:42
Speaker 11: playing really good. And when he tried to train me,
1:09:45
Speaker 11: cause I know everybody in the building and they said, Hey,
1:09:47
Speaker 11: you're trying, you're getting traded.
1:09:49
Speaker 3: I'm like, really?
1:09:51
Speaker 11: And when he tried to trade me, that's when I
1:09:52
Speaker 11: knew the business side, you know, they always, you know,
1:09:55
Speaker 11: preach loyalty, but he was coming in. He wants his guys.
1:09:58
Speaker 11: That's fine. I mean, it doesn't make him a bad coach,
1:10:01
Speaker 11: you know, but he, they didn't get what they wanted
1:10:03
Speaker 11: and they didn't trade me. And so I could have
1:10:06
Speaker 11: been there with the AJ Hawk, you know, maybe play
1:10:09
Speaker 11: a couple of years and play with clay, you know,
1:10:11
Speaker 11: that would have been fun. But, but I was, they
1:10:15
Speaker 11: thought I was more of a four, three guy and
1:10:17
Speaker 11: which I was. because they were bringing in a 3-4. But, yeah,
1:10:23
Speaker 11: the 4-3 was my favorite, man. It was simple. You
1:10:27
Speaker 11: play fast. And I had the freedom to move guys around,
1:10:30
Speaker 11: you know.
1:10:31
Speaker 3: Have you ever had a chance to check back in
1:10:33
Speaker 3: with Nick Saban and have a talk with him about
1:10:34
Speaker 3: that situation? No.
1:10:37
Speaker 11: No it would probably be kind of awkward you know
1:10:40
Speaker 11: yeah i mean i.
1:10:42
Speaker 3: Feel like he had the he'd be pretty open about
1:10:44
Speaker 3: it right i think so he's done he's backed out
1:10:46
Speaker 3: because when he did college game day everyone's like ain't
1:10:48
Speaker 3: no way nick saban's gonna thrive in this because of
1:10:51
Speaker 3: just how he is it's like he's strict he keeps
1:10:53
Speaker 3: everything kind of in-house and now he's just he's flowing
1:10:56
Speaker 3: he seems like a an opened up animal now he's
1:10:58
Speaker 3: like i'm gonna do i can talk about whatever it'd
1:11:00
Speaker 3: be an interesting conversation to say the.
1:11:02
Speaker 11: Least i'm happy for him man yeah you know he
1:11:04
Speaker 11: was uh Jason Taylor was his guy, and that's who
1:11:07
Speaker 11: he would go to. And I wasn't used to it
1:11:09
Speaker 11: because I'm used to all the coaches coming to me.
1:11:12
Speaker 11: And I wasn't his guy. But it doesn't make him
1:11:15
Speaker 11: a bad coach, man.
1:11:16
Speaker 1: He was a great coach.
1:11:17
Speaker 11: I'll give him that. And I don't have any animosity
1:11:19
Speaker 11: towards him. And I'm happy he's kicking ass, you know.
1:11:23
Speaker 3: You talked about wanting to go to Florida State. You
1:11:26
Speaker 3: love that you're sending tape out there. You ended up
1:11:28
Speaker 3: going to Texas Tech. I believe it was between Texas
1:11:30
Speaker 3: Tech and Oklahoma State, correct?
1:11:31
Speaker 4: Yes.
1:11:32
Speaker 3: What was it about Texas Tech that you're like, all right,
1:11:35
Speaker 3: head that.
1:11:35
Speaker 11: Way well i committed i committed to oklahoma state and
1:11:39
Speaker 11: uh went home and uh well cowboy i went to
1:11:45
Speaker 11: stillwater and and uh enjoyed my trip and uh committed
1:11:49
Speaker 11: and i go home and my dad won't talk to
1:11:51
Speaker 11: me and i'm a guy i just wanted to get
1:11:54
Speaker 11: my dad's approval my whole life yeah and my brother
1:11:57
Speaker 11: was at tech and and so when he didn't talk
1:11:59
Speaker 11: to me i changed And that's crazy. The path, my path,
1:12:02
Speaker 11: I probably wouldn't be sitting here. Nothing against Oklahoma State,
1:12:06
Speaker 11: but I probably wouldn't be sitting there right now. And
1:12:08
Speaker 11: then I went to Tech as a fullback. And you
1:12:12
Speaker 11: were a fullback or a receiver?
1:12:14
Speaker 1: Both.
1:12:15
Speaker 5: I got recruited from Notre Dame as a fullback. But yes,
1:12:18
Speaker 5: the lure that you're speaking to, I was an all-state
1:12:20
Speaker 5: receiver in high school. I hate saying that, but I
1:12:23
Speaker 5: was an all-state receiver.
1:12:25
Speaker 11: Well, that's where I went to Tech as a fullback.
1:12:27
Speaker 11: And they had this guy named Bam Morris there, great player.
1:12:30
Speaker 11: He got the Doak Walker Award. He was a sophomore.
1:12:33
Speaker 11: And he was just a big dude that could run
1:12:34
Speaker 11: the ball. And he said, you got to back him up.
1:12:36
Speaker 11: I'm like, I'm going to the defensive side of the ball.
1:12:39
Speaker 11: And that's crazy how choices you make determine the road
1:12:43
Speaker 11: you take, right? And so it was one of those that,
1:12:46
Speaker 11: you know, even Bam, there's some history to him when
1:12:51
Speaker 11: he went into the NFL. And he had a great,
1:12:53
Speaker 11: career he was at pittsburgh they just won the super
1:12:55
Speaker 11: bowl and uh he got in trouble in the offseason
1:12:59
Speaker 11: so bill cower cut him and traded for jerome bettis
1:13:02
Speaker 11: well jerome bettis is here and his path changed because
1:13:06
Speaker 11: of bam you know i'm saying yeah yeah i'm knocking
1:13:08
Speaker 11: bam he should be in the texas tech hall of
1:13:10
Speaker 11: fame yeah we got to tell joey y'all y'all guys
1:13:12
Speaker 11: got some pull tell joey he deserves to be.
1:13:15
Speaker 5: Well i think you might you could have a little
1:13:17
Speaker 5: bit more pull than us being a texas.
1:13:20
Speaker 11: Tech we just hey get get bam in the Texas
1:13:23
Speaker 11: Tech Hall of Fame. But that's what I'm saying, how
1:13:26
Speaker 11: if you go back and both of you guys go
1:13:28
Speaker 11: over your career, it's crazy when you reflect back how
1:13:33
Speaker 11: the little things that could change your path. There's some
1:13:35
Speaker 11: stupid things you had. I almost failed out in college.
1:13:39
Speaker 1: Same?
1:13:40
Speaker 3: Man, we were- We're dialed.
1:13:42
Speaker 1: Was it freshman year?
1:13:43
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
1:13:44
Speaker 4: 1.6, what'd you have?
1:13:45
Speaker 3: Okay, I had a 1.7. That is wild.
1:13:53
Speaker 11: Did coach go talk to you?
1:13:56
Speaker 3: Which one? Which time?
1:13:57
Speaker 1: The head coach? Oh, okay. Many times. Spike Dykes was
1:14:00
Speaker 1: our head coach. Great name, right?
1:14:02
Speaker 11: And he came to me and he says, hey, you're
1:14:05
Speaker 11: partying too much. You're going to be going home, work
1:14:08
Speaker 11: for your dad. He goes, you know, there's a open
1:14:11
Speaker 11: bar or a party you can find every day for
1:14:15
Speaker 11: the rest of your life. And you'll get bored with that,
1:14:18
Speaker 11: is what he told me. He says, but you won't
1:14:20
Speaker 11: have this opportunity you got right here. Man, that was
1:14:23
Speaker 11: the best talk ever. I audited my inner circle. I
1:14:25
Speaker 11: didn't want to go home and work for my dad
1:14:27
Speaker 11: because he would work my ass, you know?
1:14:29
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:14:29
Speaker 3: He didn't talk to you over committing to Oklahoma State.
1:14:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
1:14:33
Speaker 3: But you fail out. That's going to be a tough deal.
1:14:35
Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
1:14:36
Speaker 11: Man, we have the same path. But when you look
1:14:38
Speaker 11: back at that, even how you ended up on this
1:14:40
Speaker 11: bus or any of that stuff, it could have been
1:14:42
Speaker 11: an injury. It could have been a bad coach or
1:14:44
Speaker 11: a bad decision.
1:14:46
Speaker 1: Getting arrested.
1:14:47
Speaker 11: There's so many things that could have happened, especially our
1:14:50
Speaker 11: day and get away with a lot more things. And
1:14:52
Speaker 11: for me, I'm so grateful to be on this bus, man,
1:14:55
Speaker 11: because I did some stupid things. And that's why we
1:14:59
Speaker 11: I'm rambling here, but Texas tech and that whole source
1:15:02
Speaker 11: be thing that dude's 22 years old, man, the consequences.
1:15:06
Speaker 11: I understand there they should be, but they were too heavy.
1:15:09
Speaker 11: That's stupid. They forget what gambling that's where they, college
1:15:14
Speaker 11: football makes so much money off a game it's so
1:15:18
Speaker 11: hypocritical and they're going to go hard on a 22
1:15:21
Speaker 11: year old when you're 22 and you have money i
1:15:24
Speaker 11: would be living under a bridge right now if i
1:15:26
Speaker 11: did if i had that back in the day you
1:15:28
Speaker 11: know and and i just i i hate that to
1:15:30
Speaker 11: see that when they go down hard because and and
1:15:34
Speaker 11: all these other programs throwing stones because text you know
1:15:38
Speaker 11: got their program back in order. You know, I hated that, man.
1:15:41
Speaker 11: That hurts me because he's 22, man.
1:15:44
Speaker 3: Remember that?
1:15:44
Speaker 4: 22, man.
1:15:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the story's not done being written. Like you said,
1:15:48
Speaker 3: you did a lot of dumb things that led you
1:15:50
Speaker 3: on the path to end up here, end up at
1:15:51
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame. Could be the same thing for Sorsby.
1:15:54
Speaker 3: He could have a moment here where he's learning a
1:15:56
Speaker 3: massive lesson that later in life or maybe in his
1:15:58
Speaker 3: NFL career down the road, he makes a different decision
1:16:01
Speaker 3: because of the consequences that have taken place. I feel
1:16:03
Speaker 3: for Texas Tech because regardless of what Sorsby did or
1:16:06
Speaker 3: did not do Texas Tech had nothing to do with it.
1:16:09
Speaker 3: And so now their season's being hurt. Yeah, I mean, Hammond,
1:16:12
Speaker 3: I think, should be a great quarterback.
1:16:13
Speaker 11: Yeah, I like Will.
1:16:13
Speaker 3: I think he's going to do really well.
1:16:14
Speaker 1: I like Will.
1:16:15
Speaker 3: But, yeah, it's like Texas Tech didn't do anything. I
1:16:19
Speaker 3: think Texas Tech did the right thing by supporting their
1:16:22
Speaker 3: guy because they're in his building. He didn't do any
1:16:24
Speaker 3: of these things when he was in that building. Yeah.
1:16:26
Speaker 3: So that sucks for Tech. But, I mean, Sorsby's an athlete. Yeah.
1:16:30
Speaker 3: He'll get a shot. He'll get a chance. And if
1:16:31
Speaker 3: he's good enough, he'll make it and keep going. So
1:16:34
Speaker 3: just like you just said.
1:16:35
Speaker 5: It is all very unfortunate situation because it's also tough too.
1:16:39
Speaker 5: It's like the world of gambling that we are in.
1:16:42
Speaker 5: This first example, I'm sure he's not the only one
1:16:44
Speaker 5: out there and it just hasn't been.
1:16:46
Speaker 3: Found out yet. But what do you do?
1:16:48
Speaker 5: It's like the example is going to be set somehow.
1:16:51
Speaker 5: This is the first big public one that we're kind
1:16:54
Speaker 5: of aware of. Even though the Iowa guy, wait. No,
1:16:59
Speaker 5: I mean because Sorsby's not playing this year. This is
1:17:01
Speaker 5: back when Sorsby was going to be playing. The Iowa
1:17:03
Speaker 5: guy's like, I got canned the entire year. Like, why
1:17:06
Speaker 5: couldn't I play my senior year? So, dude, it's just
1:17:09
Speaker 5: such a sticky situation. And it just sucks because we
1:17:12
Speaker 5: were out there.
1:17:12
Speaker 11: Yeah.
1:17:13
Speaker 3: Big Sorsby guy. We got our hands on Sorsby.
1:17:15
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:17:15
Speaker 3: We got to look at the physique, talk to him
1:17:16
Speaker 3: a little bit.
1:17:17
Speaker 5: Have some laughs. Share some laughs. And you just know, yeah,
1:17:19
Speaker 5: it's like, dude, they are young. And it does suck
1:17:22
Speaker 5: because he seems like a really good kid.
1:17:24
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:17:25
Speaker 5: And it doesn't feel like that's the consequence he should have.
1:17:28
Speaker 5: But in the grand scheme of everything, it's like you're
1:17:30
Speaker 5: just in a tough spot from the NCAA standpoint or
1:17:33
Speaker 5: just the college football standpoint because it's like Yeah, the
1:17:37
Speaker 5: precedent's going to be set somewhere. If a kid knows
1:17:40
Speaker 5: that they're going to get to play from week one,
1:17:42
Speaker 5: how many other examples are we going to see now?
1:17:45
Speaker 5: In the legal realm, are they going to use that example?
1:17:48
Speaker 3: Well, Sorsby got to play.
1:17:49
Speaker 1: Right, right.
1:17:50
Speaker 5: Or if it's only a three games, like, okay, I
1:17:52
Speaker 5: might take a three game hit because I was gambling
1:17:54
Speaker 5: on the side because I was a backup.
1:17:55
Speaker 3: I understand.
1:17:56
Speaker 1: I understand.
1:17:57
Speaker 5: Dude, it's just unfortunate. Because again, it's like, I want
1:17:59
Speaker 5: to see him out there slinging the football.
1:18:00
Speaker 3: Right. And then I look at just the state of
1:18:02
Speaker 3: college football in itself. There's going to be a documentary
1:18:04
Speaker 3: of what's happening right now in college football with all
1:18:06
Speaker 3: the NIL eventually. Because it's the Wild West. People want to...
1:18:11
Speaker 3: make texas tech look like a villain because they're spending
1:18:13
Speaker 3: all this money cody campbell's coming in hey we'll pay
1:18:15
Speaker 3: whoever to the point where players who aren't even being
1:18:18
Speaker 3: scouted by texas tech at the transfer portal are going
1:18:21
Speaker 3: to these other schools being like tech's offering me a
1:18:23
Speaker 3: million what do you guys got for me and tech
1:18:24
Speaker 3: hasn't offered shit because there's not that transparency taking place
1:18:28
Speaker 3: so these critical things that are happening in college football
1:18:32
Speaker 3: right now kind of need to happen in order for
1:18:35
Speaker 3: us to kind of land in a spot where, okay,
1:18:37
Speaker 3: college football has like balance with what, with guys get paid,
1:18:40
Speaker 3: how they're getting paid, how the process works. Like, well,
1:18:43
Speaker 3: even from a schedule standpoint, like these dramatic things have
1:18:46
Speaker 3: to take place in order for real change to happen.
1:18:48
Speaker 3: because i believe it's in the words of josh pate
1:18:50
Speaker 3: like legality like legal things congress senate that those types
1:18:53
Speaker 3: of things have to take over in order for cultural.
1:18:55
Speaker 5: Yeah we just we need the urgency to get going
1:18:56
Speaker 5: to like fix the system because there's opinions out there
1:18:58
Speaker 5: where it's like you know some solves that everybody talks
1:19:01
Speaker 5: about is out there and they're just urging for the
1:19:03
Speaker 5: system to kind of fix itself yeah um how often
1:19:06
Speaker 5: do you get.
1:19:06
Speaker 11: Down to tech i try to I try to get
1:19:09
Speaker 11: out there as much as I can. Um, I'll go
1:19:13
Speaker 11: and Cody, uh, sends his plane.
1:19:14
Speaker 3: Oh, there you go.
1:19:16
Speaker 1: That's a way to go.
1:19:17
Speaker 3: He seems awesome.
1:19:18
Speaker 1: He's a great guy.
1:19:20
Speaker 11: And, uh, and what they've done, the Womble center and
1:19:23
Speaker 11: all that stuff, the training center, there's amazing. We don't
1:19:27
Speaker 11: have to fly our recruits in at night anymore, you know? Uh,
1:19:32
Speaker 11: and now because they call it old money, you know,
1:19:34
Speaker 11: it's all money. That's how they talk in Texas. But, uh,
1:19:37
Speaker 11: But it does help. I mean, we're just trying to
1:19:40
Speaker 11: keep up. And I'll tell you what, I'm happy that
1:19:44
Speaker 11: I love our linebackers, by the way.
1:19:46
Speaker 3: Y'all are giving them love, too. Awesome guys.
1:19:49
Speaker 11: The Will Curry and the Ben Roberts, both of those guys.
1:19:52
Speaker 11: And then we got Jacob down in Miami now.
1:19:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, let's go.
1:19:55
Speaker 11: With Jordan Brooks. Man, we got some linebackers out of Tech, man.
1:19:58
Speaker 3: What did you think of the Jacob Rodriguez saga?
1:20:01
Speaker 4: Oh, I loved it, man.
1:20:02
Speaker 11: I missed out because they asked me to go announce
1:20:05
Speaker 11: at the draft ceremony. the second and third round, and
1:20:09
Speaker 11: we picked, you know, two Red Raiders in the second
1:20:12
Speaker 11: and third round, and Jacob was one of them. I
1:20:14
Speaker 11: was so happy because he's a humble guy, as you
1:20:16
Speaker 11: all know, and he's a baller. So he's going to
1:20:19
Speaker 11: make a big impact for our team. We might have
1:20:21
Speaker 11: to take a couple steps back, you know, before we
1:20:24
Speaker 11: can step forward.
1:20:25
Speaker 3: I think he might still be in a good spot.
1:20:27
Speaker 11: I hope so, but I know we got two guys
1:20:31
Speaker 11: leading that, you know, from John Eric Sullivan and Jeff Halfley.
1:20:36
Speaker 11: Both those guys are guys, guys, man. They could be
1:20:39
Speaker 11: here on the bus with us, man, and just hang
1:20:41
Speaker 11: out and it'll be, you know, natural.
1:20:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, just talk and shop.
1:20:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, man.
1:20:45
Speaker 3: When you look back at your career, what is like
1:20:49
Speaker 3: maybe a moment or a game or something that you're like,
1:20:53
Speaker 3: this is my favorite game or moment I've ever had
1:20:57
Speaker 3: in my career? Like something that you're like, this is
1:20:59
Speaker 3: the kind of player I am.
1:21:02
Speaker 11: You know, that's a good question. I would say moment
1:21:05
Speaker 11: would be the 1A state championship, but I was just
1:21:08
Speaker 11: a freshman and I was just on defense.
1:21:11
Speaker 3: Just on defense. Hold on. I was just a starter.
1:21:15
Speaker 11: I never left the field, you know, when I was
1:21:17
Speaker 11: most of the time. But I think against Oklahoma, my
1:21:23
Speaker 11: sophomore year in the Sun Bowl or something like that,
1:21:29
Speaker 11: I prepped all week. Everybody was going to Juarez and
1:21:32
Speaker 11: all that stuff, and I just prepped all week. watching
1:21:35
Speaker 11: film and I found something that I liked and I said,
1:21:39
Speaker 11: I'm going to take advantage of this. And I set
1:21:40
Speaker 11: the bowl record with tackles for losses. I think it
1:21:43
Speaker 11: was like seven. I know it was seven. I don't
1:21:45
Speaker 11: trying to be humble, but, uh, seven tackles for losses
1:21:48
Speaker 11: gets over you. Even though we lost, that's when I said, man,
1:21:52
Speaker 11: I'm going to, I'm going to make it, man. I,
1:21:54
Speaker 11: even my junior year, um, even though I went out
1:21:58
Speaker 11: my senior year, my dad was telling me to go
1:22:00
Speaker 11: out my junior year, which wouldn't have been a good move, but, uh,
1:22:04
Speaker 11: But yeah, that would be the game that I just said, man,
1:22:08
Speaker 11: I'm pretty good.
1:22:09
Speaker 3: And you brought up your dad when he didn't talk
1:22:12
Speaker 3: to you after coming to Oklahoma State. Like, was there
1:22:15
Speaker 3: really no conversation that took place? Are you kind of like,
1:22:17
Speaker 3: I'm just going to decommit on my own and then
1:22:19
Speaker 3: go to Texas Tech?
1:22:21
Speaker 11: You know, yeah, he you knew he's the guy. He
1:22:26
Speaker 11: was so tough on us because he was raised poor
1:22:29
Speaker 11: and then he hit wealth and oil and gas. But
1:22:32
Speaker 11: he was a guy that Never wanted to give us
1:22:34
Speaker 11: the silver spoon. And so it'd be the weekend and
1:22:38
Speaker 11: it's 730 in the morning and you're asleep. He's kicking
1:22:40
Speaker 11: the door open.
1:22:41
Speaker 1: Get your lazy asses up. You know, that's what I remember.
1:22:43
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:22:44
Speaker 11: And he had us get jobs, but he always made
1:22:46
Speaker 11: time for us. And that's why I'm really grateful for him, man,
1:22:50
Speaker 11: because there was nothing but love in that house from
1:22:54
Speaker 11: out the doors to the windows, man, because it was
1:22:56
Speaker 11: just he was so, you know, hard on us, though.
1:23:00
Speaker 11: And I didn't understand at the time. but it was
1:23:03
Speaker 11: tough love. And I know I'm not sitting on this
1:23:05
Speaker 11: bus because of him. And when he didn't talk to me, man,
1:23:09
Speaker 11: cause I just want his approval. Even I'm a grown
1:23:11
Speaker 11: ass man today. I still want his approval. You know,
1:23:14
Speaker 11: it's just, it's crazy how that works, but it's respect.
1:23:18
Speaker 11: And that's what he always taught us. He, you know,
1:23:21
Speaker 11: and I really appreciate my dad.
1:23:23
Speaker 1: He was the best.
1:23:26
Speaker 5: Taylor was talking about, you know, moments that can kind
1:23:29
Speaker 5: of when you figured out you were going to be
1:23:31
Speaker 5: a guy. How about a defining moment when you were
1:23:33
Speaker 5: in the league that first year? Because you also alluded
1:23:35
Speaker 5: to some luck taking place and coaches and everything else.
1:23:39
Speaker 5: Was there a defining moment in that first year to
1:23:42
Speaker 5: where it, you know, thrusted you into that starting job
1:23:46
Speaker 5: and you took advantage based on a game or a practice?
1:23:49
Speaker 5: Did it come later when an injury took place? You
1:23:51
Speaker 5: played through it and this was a you felt like
1:23:53
Speaker 5: it was a defining moment.
1:23:54
Speaker 4: In your career?
1:23:55
Speaker 11: You know, defining moment was my first game against the
1:23:58
Speaker 11: new England Patriots. And, uh, I caught Sean Jefferson in
1:24:01
Speaker 11: a reverse and, uh, knocked him out of the game.
1:24:04
Speaker 1: Not, not bragging.
1:24:05
Speaker 11: Cause you know, I got knocked on my ass.
1:24:07
Speaker 3: It just is what it is.
1:24:08
Speaker 11: It is.
1:24:09
Speaker 3: And it was like, everyone gets God.
1:24:11
Speaker 11: It's, you know, they say you're welcome to the NFL moment,
1:24:13
Speaker 11: but that was my welcome to the NFL moment. And
1:24:16
Speaker 11: then I, I had mine three years later with the
1:24:19
Speaker 11: bad moment, but, uh, but that was the game that,
1:24:23
Speaker 11: that really just said, hey, man, I'm here, man. They're like,
1:24:25
Speaker 11: who is this guy? You know, and, you know, I
1:24:29
Speaker 11: think the best, the moment, because you remember moments, you know.
1:24:33
Speaker 11: The moment we played up in Buffalo, it's the fifth
1:24:36
Speaker 11: game of the year, and we're taking a plane ride back.
1:24:39
Speaker 11: And Jimmy, you know, he'd have a couple Heinekens in
1:24:41
Speaker 11: the front, and he'd come in the back, and I
1:24:43
Speaker 11: had a really great game. And my first five games
1:24:46
Speaker 11: were really good. And just his moment of his look,
1:24:50
Speaker 11: and he just smiled at me, that's the best moment ever, man.
1:24:54
Speaker 11: I just already knew I made it, man. You know
1:24:56
Speaker 11: what I'm saying? I'm pleasing this guy. I was a
1:24:58
Speaker 11: cowboy fan, just like you, um, love Charles Haley, but
1:25:02
Speaker 11: I wanted to be Emmett Smith, man, forever.
1:25:05
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:25:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:25:07
Speaker 11: He's had all the right things, doesn't he? Let me
1:25:09
Speaker 11: tell you, let me tell you, I love the Cowboys. And, uh,
1:25:13
Speaker 11: but back to that moment with Jimmy on the plane,
1:25:15
Speaker 11: he'll stick with me forever, man.
1:25:17
Speaker 14: I just like, he, Yeah, because fucking Jimmy Johnson, too,
1:25:21
Speaker 14: already went in there with the Cowboys. But I'd be
1:25:24
Speaker 14: in the front yard with my dad. We'd be Emmitt Smith,
1:25:27
Speaker 14: Michael Irvin, Troy Aikman, Jay Novacek.
1:25:29
Speaker 1: Oh, man.
1:25:30
Speaker 3: All of them.
1:25:31
Speaker 11: Ken Norton Jr.
1:25:32
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:25:32
Speaker 11: Leon Lett was so underrated.
1:25:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, Nate Newton.
1:25:35
Speaker 1: Oh, the best, man.
1:25:37
Speaker 4: The best.
1:25:39
Speaker 3: Then that is badass, too.
1:25:40
Speaker 5: Darren Woodson, too.
1:25:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, Darren Woodson.
1:25:42
Speaker 1: Darren was sweet, man.
1:25:43
Speaker 3: And for Jimmy Johnson to be giving you.
1:25:46
Speaker 11: Dog yes yeah that's cool man and I was happy
1:25:49
Speaker 11: to come in that year it's just so much timing
1:25:52
Speaker 11: you know I was his guy you know and so
1:25:55
Speaker 11: when they draft you man you got leverage you're more
1:25:59
Speaker 11: equipped than everybody else you know what I'm saying yeah
1:26:02
Speaker 11: and when you got that leverage and you feel that
1:26:03
Speaker 11: leverage it don't even matter you never second guess yourself
1:26:06
Speaker 11: you get what I'm saying yeah and when you got
1:26:09
Speaker 11: that it never left me man it never left me
1:26:12
Speaker 11: even later on my career everything was always between the
1:26:15
Speaker 11: ears first I didn't even give a shit about the
1:26:17
Speaker 11: rest of it. You know, they tried to say that
1:26:20
Speaker 11: I was a smart player, like we talked about, but
1:26:23
Speaker 11: a lot of it, man, was just my read that I,
1:26:25
Speaker 11: making that transfer to a bigger school, a coach taught
1:26:28
Speaker 11: me a read and it made my first step really good.
1:26:31
Speaker 11: It's crazy. If I didn't make that move, I wouldn't
1:26:33
Speaker 11: even be on this bus. So I'm grateful as hell, man.
1:26:37
Speaker 11: And that's one thing that helped me too, being grateful.
1:26:40
Speaker 1: And, but.
1:26:43
Speaker 5: How was it when you did get to go wear
1:26:45
Speaker 5: the star in Dallas?
1:26:46
Speaker 4: You know what? I loved it, man.
1:26:50
Speaker 11: I went and played out of position. And it was
1:26:53
Speaker 11: after I had my hard concussion, man. I had a
1:26:58
Speaker 11: tough concussion the previous year against the Cowboys. Matter of fact,
1:27:05
Speaker 11: Jason Garrett was their coordinator. And first play of the game,
1:27:10
Speaker 11: my grandpa, who was, he never seen one of my
1:27:13
Speaker 11: games live. I'm in my 12th year. He flew out
1:27:15
Speaker 11: for the game. He's old school. And so before the
1:27:20
Speaker 11: first snap, they come out in 21 personnel and I
1:27:24
Speaker 11: see they're bringing a linebacker.
1:27:25
Speaker 4: I'm like, what the hell?
1:27:26
Speaker 11: And then they get him in I-backs. I'm like, they
1:27:28
Speaker 11: trying to send a message. I already know. And so
1:27:30
Speaker 11: I went in there to hit this dude. He was
1:27:32
Speaker 11: a linebacker for him. I knocked him out, but I
1:27:34
Speaker 11: knocked myself out. I knocked, it was one of those
1:27:38
Speaker 11: that I go to the bench and I was falling
1:27:40
Speaker 11: asleep on the bench. And so, you know, back then
1:27:44
Speaker 11: the baseline was so easy to pass. You know, they
1:27:47
Speaker 11: tell you, they didn't want to take you out.
1:27:49
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying? They just ask you your
1:27:50
Speaker 5: name or something.
1:27:51
Speaker 11: But I remember putting two smell assaults up my nose
1:27:54
Speaker 11: and it didn't even affect me. But I was not
1:27:56
Speaker 11: coming out of that game because my grandpa was at
1:28:00
Speaker 11: that game. I'm like, no way he's going to come
1:28:02
Speaker 11: watch me play one play. Everything was blurry after that.
1:28:05
Speaker 11: Played pretty damn good. But the symptoms after that, the
1:28:09
Speaker 11: symptoms kill me, man.
1:28:10
Speaker 3: You played pretty decent, actually. Yeah, I did. How many
1:28:12
Speaker 3: tackles did you have?
1:28:14
Speaker 11: Well, sometimes that ain't good. And they beat us that day,
1:28:17
Speaker 11: but I had some great plays, probably at least a dozen,
1:28:22
Speaker 11: you know?
1:28:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
1:28:24
Speaker 11: And it's one of those, and it was all blurry,
1:28:26
Speaker 11: you know? And so it's one of those that I
1:28:31
Speaker 11: wasn't taking myself out, but back to Dallas. I didn't
1:28:35
Speaker 11: like that move because I was playing a different position.
1:28:37
Speaker 11: That wheel is so hard. It's so much different relationships.
1:28:40
Speaker 11: read than in the middle and so I thought I
1:28:42
Speaker 11: could just adjust and I didn't but it all happened
1:28:45
Speaker 11: for a reason and I owe Jerry Jones you know
1:28:50
Speaker 11: we were at practice one day and Jerry comes up
1:28:53
Speaker 11: to me and says Zach get out of here I'm
1:28:54
Speaker 11: like what am I cut you know he's like no
1:28:56
Speaker 11: your grandpa's in grave condition the grandpa I told you
1:28:59
Speaker 11: that came watch me play And.
1:29:02
Speaker 3: So I said, damn.
1:29:02
Speaker 11: So I flew private to my hometown in Pampa, got
1:29:06
Speaker 11: to the hospital, talked to him for three hours. We laughed,
1:29:10
Speaker 11: cut it up, and he passed away. Like, but man,
1:29:13
Speaker 11: that shit, I'm not trying to get emotional. Anybody ever
1:29:15
Speaker 11: cry on this bus?
1:29:16
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
1:29:17
Speaker 3: We are criers, man.
1:29:18
Speaker 4: Okay, okay.
1:29:19
Speaker 11: But I'm not trying to. But my grandpa, man, for,
1:29:23
Speaker 11: I knew there was a reason I went to Dallas.
1:29:25
Speaker 11: Because I passed up on New Orleans and things like that.
1:29:28
Speaker 11: I could have played Mike. But it's super aggressive, different.
1:29:32
Speaker 11: And I knew there was a reason for that, even
1:29:34
Speaker 11: though I played out of position. And I owe debt
1:29:37
Speaker 11: for Jerry, man. They can hate on him all they want.
1:29:40
Speaker 11: He's a great guy. And I really appreciate that moment.
1:29:44
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:29:45
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what, Zach feels like a guy you
1:29:47
Speaker 5: could have a few with at the end of the night.
1:29:49
Speaker 3: You're looking at the stars.
1:29:51
Speaker 5: And it's nothing but perspective how we got to this moment.
1:29:53
Speaker 3: You're just in a flat area of Texas out in
1:29:55
Speaker 3: the desert with him, man. Sitting there after you're in
1:29:57
Speaker 3: a hard days of work. You want to go to sleep,
1:29:59
Speaker 3: but you're going to have a case of beers.
1:30:01
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:30:01
Speaker 5: Like, hey, you want to go hunt coyotes later? I
1:30:03
Speaker 5: got the jackrabbit call in the truck.
1:30:06
Speaker 3: Just telling your story after story, man.
1:30:08
Speaker 11: Nothing like that. Just hearing the wind blow, man.
1:30:12
Speaker 1: Amen.
1:30:12
Speaker 3: Right, man. I tell you what, you need to expand
1:30:14
Speaker 3: a little bit on that, but I'm kind of with you.
1:30:16
Speaker 3: Hearing the wind blow.
1:30:18
Speaker 1: The wind blow.
1:30:19
Speaker 11: You know, it's flat. out where I live, I'm from
1:30:22
Speaker 11: the Texas panhandle. And just being out there and just
1:30:25
Speaker 11: hearing the wind blow and it's just, you don't hear
1:30:27
Speaker 11: any noise, man.
1:30:28
Speaker 4: Just that.
1:30:29
Speaker 11: Birds, you can hear the birds, you know. That's stuff
1:30:32
Speaker 11: I miss, you know. I live in South Florida now,
1:30:36
Speaker 11: but I miss the Texas. Open friendliness, you know.
1:30:39
Speaker 3: You got a spot out there still? No.
1:30:41
Speaker 1: My dad does, my dad. He's got a few spots.
1:30:44
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:30:44
Speaker 3: Sounds like you guys got a nice little setup taking place, huh?
1:30:47
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:30:48
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:30:49
Speaker 4: So....
1:30:51
Speaker 5: When your career is over and for about a decade,
1:30:56
Speaker 5: you alluded to 14 years because you've got to wait
1:30:58
Speaker 5: five to be.
1:30:58
Speaker 3: Eligible for the Hall of Fame.
1:31:01
Speaker 5: How was that year in and year out for you?
1:31:03
Speaker 5: When the arguments are taking place, the debates are taking place,
1:31:05
Speaker 5: it gets a little louder and louder. It almost gets
1:31:07
Speaker 5: even more louder because the farther you get out of it,
1:31:11
Speaker 5: I'm sure the farther you feel like, man, is it
1:31:13
Speaker 5: my career even going to be remembered?
1:31:16
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:31:17
Speaker 11: You know what? I really didn't think about it that much,
1:31:20
Speaker 11: you know, cause I got a lot of respect from
1:31:22
Speaker 11: a lot of guys that would even, you know, that
1:31:25
Speaker 11: were inducted from Kevin Moai and Peyton Manning, guys like
1:31:29
Speaker 11: that gave me a respect. And so that's all that's
1:31:31
Speaker 11: important because I, you know, to be honest with you, man, if,
1:31:34
Speaker 11: if you're one of those guys and you all both
1:31:36
Speaker 11: play with guys, they're probably all about themselves and it
1:31:38
Speaker 11: doesn't matter if you're a hall of famer, man, nobody's
1:31:40
Speaker 11: going to respect you, you know? And that was number
1:31:42
Speaker 11: one with me, man. So I wasn't really losing sleep
1:31:44
Speaker 11: over it, but yeah, reading comments. I mean, You know,
1:31:47
Speaker 11: I read the comments. But it just, what was your
1:31:52
Speaker 11: question again? That is more.
1:31:54
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was more like how was year in and
1:31:56
Speaker 5: year out when the Hall of Fame topic would come up.
1:31:58
Speaker 3: Dealing with that. The next class coming in, you get
1:32:01
Speaker 3: snubbed again.
1:32:01
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:32:03
Speaker 11: Well, it's one of those that when you get in,
1:32:07
Speaker 11: nobody's going to remember what ballot you were, you know.
1:32:09
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:32:10
Speaker 11: Unless it's your first ballot. That's different, man. And I
1:32:14
Speaker 11: got in because there was a window that could have
1:32:15
Speaker 11: closed because look at Luke's coming in. what a baller
1:32:18
Speaker 11: he is and the amount of years he did everything in.
1:32:22
Speaker 11: And there's other guys that are deserving, too.
1:32:25
Speaker 3: London Fletcher. Oh, 100%.
1:32:26
Speaker 11: I was just about to say his name. He was
1:32:29
Speaker 11: so underrated being that, you know, you see how long
1:32:33
Speaker 11: he played, his longevity, Super Bowl. He got a Super
1:32:36
Speaker 11: Bowl win. But, you know, the thing that really affected me,
1:32:44
Speaker 11: I forgot how I missed the locker room, man. You know,
1:32:48
Speaker 11: like when you're out 14 years, you know, you're, you're,
1:32:54
Speaker 11: we hung our whole lives with like-minded individuals, you know,
1:32:58
Speaker 11: and guys that know the same commitment and, and chase
1:33:02
Speaker 11: for excellence and stuff like that. Now I hang out
1:33:05
Speaker 11: with soccer dads, you know, it's like, it's not the same,
1:33:08
Speaker 11: nothing against them. I love, there's some good people. But
1:33:12
Speaker 11: it's not, they weren't chasing something.
1:33:14
Speaker 1: It's not the same.
1:33:15
Speaker 3: It's just not the same. This soccer dad, one of
1:33:18
Speaker 3: your buddies right now is just going, fuck. How am
1:33:23
Speaker 3: I going to approach him next time I see him
1:33:24
Speaker 3: at practice?
1:33:25
Speaker 11: It's not the same. And you just miss the guys.
1:33:28
Speaker 11: You just relate to busting balls all the time. And
1:33:32
Speaker 11: that's what I miss the most. You know, when I
1:33:34
Speaker 11: got back, I figured that out fast. I'll try to
1:33:38
Speaker 11: tell a story that, you know, my first year being inducted,
1:33:42
Speaker 11: I went down to the lobby and there's Randall McDaniel there.
1:33:46
Speaker 11: And I'm like, Randall, what's up, man? And he said,
1:33:49
Speaker 11: I said, hey, where's the breakfast at? And he says,
1:33:51
Speaker 11: he goes to these two doors and opens it up
1:33:53
Speaker 11: and says, the buffet is for Hall of Famers. You know,
1:33:56
Speaker 11: I said, OK, thank you, man. So I walk in
1:33:58
Speaker 11: there and I'm grabbing a plate and I'm getting all
1:34:00
Speaker 11: these looks. And it was for Hall of Famers, all right?
1:34:03
Speaker 11: It was HBCU Black College Hall of Famers. He sent
1:34:06
Speaker 11: me in there. He's laughing his ass off. I'm over
1:34:10
Speaker 11: there like, you asshole, man, real jerk. I have a
1:34:13
Speaker 11: plate of eggs and I kind of like just put
1:34:15
Speaker 11: it down. Like, you know, one of those awkward moments
1:34:17
Speaker 11: and just walked out.
1:34:18
Speaker 3: That's the shit that you missed, though.
1:34:20
Speaker 4: You know?
1:34:21
Speaker 1: So that's.
1:34:24
Speaker 3: That locker room. Yeah, man. I think you hit it
1:34:28
Speaker 3: on the head, though, too.
1:34:29
Speaker 5: It's like when Peyton refers to you as the guy
1:34:31
Speaker 5: who gave him the most problems, you just have respect
1:34:34
Speaker 5: from all.
1:34:34
Speaker 3: Of the football community.
1:34:36
Speaker 5: I would say that would fill the void of ever
1:34:40
Speaker 5: thinking about the individual accolade of actually wearing the gold
1:34:42
Speaker 5: jacket is knowing how well-respected you were across the league.
1:34:46
Speaker 5: How people, even when you weren't in it, people are
1:34:48
Speaker 5: still yelling your name about how you should be in it.
1:34:51
Speaker 5: It's almost like that's the feeling you want to have
1:34:53
Speaker 5: anyway is the respect of all your peers.
1:34:56
Speaker 11: That kept my name alive. Relevant, you know, because at
1:34:58
Speaker 11: the time, all of our, you know, our history fades,
1:35:01
Speaker 11: you know, and for guys that you played against to
1:35:05
Speaker 11: get respect like that, that's number one, especially for Peyton, man.
1:35:08
Speaker 1: Buddy.
1:35:09
Speaker 11: That was playing at Indianapolis is probably the, you know,
1:35:14
Speaker 11: one of the best experiences ever because it's quiet. You know,
1:35:18
Speaker 11: you can hear everybody and hear the calls and all
1:35:21
Speaker 11: that stuff. And he changed it up. I never really
1:35:24
Speaker 11: knew what he was running. But where my strength was,
1:35:27
Speaker 11: was more knowing run from pass, you know? And when
1:35:32
Speaker 11: you know run from pass, man, your odds of winning
1:35:34
Speaker 11: that play is so important, especially when you can tell
1:35:37
Speaker 11: the D-line. Just hunt, go, go, you know? When you
1:35:42
Speaker 11: can tell them that, that's when you win most of
1:35:44
Speaker 11: the time. And that's where my pre-snap was good because
1:35:46
Speaker 11: I had a lot of tells, man, that I would
1:35:48
Speaker 11: look at.
1:35:49
Speaker 1: And that's the shit you miss, man.
1:35:52
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:35:53
Speaker 3: Scope it out a little bit for both of you.
1:35:55
Speaker 3: What what is such a big deal about going from
1:35:57
Speaker 3: the Mike linebacker to the Will linebacker?
1:35:59
Speaker 5: Well, I think number one, it could vary with different
1:36:02
Speaker 5: teams depending on who would be wearing the green dot.
1:36:05
Speaker 3: But the guy who's the Mike is usually the one operating.
1:36:07
Speaker 5: So when you're the Will, like there would be moments
1:36:10
Speaker 5: where I would play the Will, whether I'm filling in
1:36:11
Speaker 5: for somebody. When I first started to cut my teeth in,
1:36:14
Speaker 5: I was taking over a job for the Jack or
1:36:16
Speaker 5: the Will in this scenario to where you're not the
1:36:19
Speaker 5: one out there. directing traffic and saying everything else, you
1:36:22
Speaker 5: might communicate with just your mic backer or the safety
1:36:24
Speaker 5: behind you. And then you're kind of split in the
1:36:27
Speaker 5: field in half. So as a mic, you're more protected
1:36:30
Speaker 5: because you have guys on each side of you. So
1:36:33
Speaker 5: even though you are running the middle and roaming around
1:36:36
Speaker 5: side to side, you have that freedom, but you also
1:36:38
Speaker 5: have a little bit of protection. Whereas in the wheel spot,
1:36:40
Speaker 5: you can get a little bit more isolated.
1:36:42
Speaker 11: Oh, yeah. And also, too, when you're in the middle,
1:36:46
Speaker 11: because my read was more offensive linemen, two backs where
1:36:50
Speaker 11: a lot of times guys were going backs to offensive
1:36:53
Speaker 11: linemen so you could see both sides when you're playing
1:36:56
Speaker 11: at will and you're trying to see that backside guard
1:36:58
Speaker 11: it's hard and it's a different read you know and
1:37:01
Speaker 11: so for me yeah will was hard.
1:37:04
Speaker 5: And even when your entire identity and career is wrapped
1:37:08
Speaker 5: up as a mic like you know everything about the
1:37:11
Speaker 5: mic position and you're trying to like relate it to
1:37:13
Speaker 5: the will because you're not trying to like confuse yourself
1:37:16
Speaker 5: whether you're bumping over I would always like have to
1:37:20
Speaker 5: think about that too. It's like double right in my notebook.
1:37:22
Speaker 5: Like I'm not going to this gap. I'm going to
1:37:24
Speaker 5: this one. This safety is coming down. And God forbid,
1:37:27
Speaker 5: if you're isolated three by one far gun.
1:37:29
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
1:37:30
Speaker 3: With the offset. Yeah. With the offset. You know, it's about,
1:37:34
Speaker 3: it's about, yeah, it's about third and four. Oh, or
1:37:37
Speaker 3: you're in the red zone.
1:37:38
Speaker 1: You already know.
1:37:39
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:37:39
Speaker 1: And four.
1:37:40
Speaker 11: Yeah. Hey, I always hate, I always hated it when
1:37:43
Speaker 11: they had to offset to Jason Taylor because he he's
1:37:47
Speaker 11: not we're not gonna i'm not gonna tell him butch
1:37:50
Speaker 11: we had a butch call where i would blitz the
1:37:52
Speaker 11: b gap that's.
1:37:53
Speaker 5: The bang yeah when you call butch bam.
1:37:55
Speaker 11: And i wouldn't tell him because first of all even
1:37:58
Speaker 11: when i said hey watch out for the draw he
1:37:59
Speaker 11: go hey i get paid for sacks you get paid
1:38:03
Speaker 11: to make the draw play okay like all right man
1:38:05
Speaker 11: go ahead he's all you know yeah he's a hall
1:38:07
Speaker 11: of famer but When it got on the other side,
1:38:11
Speaker 11: I was always butch, butch, you know, doing that.
1:38:13
Speaker 3: You have to get there, though. You have to get there.
1:38:15
Speaker 11: Because a lot of times they slide the line to Jason.
1:38:18
Speaker 11: So I hated that because you really couldn't. And they
1:38:21
Speaker 11: were free releasing. So they were sliding the line and
1:38:23
Speaker 11: free releasing. A lot of times they put the back
1:38:25
Speaker 11: opposite of him. But when they were releasing, it was
1:38:29
Speaker 11: a challenging always. challenging from the larry centers to charlie
1:38:33
Speaker 11: garner was a beast coming out uh the backfield scat
1:38:36
Speaker 11: backs that they would oh you know who's uh uh
1:38:39
Speaker 11: man from um from the new england patriots he was
1:38:43
Speaker 11: awesome from lsu golly he was really good kevin falk
1:38:47
Speaker 11: kevin falk underrated. And that's the, I forget his name. God,
1:38:53
Speaker 11: I respected that guy.
1:38:54
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:38:55
Speaker 11: You know, they would always try to isolate us because
1:38:58
Speaker 11: we played two safety high and, and we played a
1:39:02
Speaker 11: four man front. And so they always would isolate me
1:39:04
Speaker 11: in the middle. Cause you know, the easiest pass in
1:39:06
Speaker 11: the world is the one in the middle of the field.
1:39:08
Speaker 11: So you would never try to give up inside technique.
1:39:11
Speaker 11: But I remember one year I was in Vegas and, uh,
1:39:15
Speaker 11: There was Mike Shanahan and I saw Mike. I'm giving
1:39:18
Speaker 11: my respect and all that stuff. And I say at
1:39:21
Speaker 11: the end when I'm leaving, I'm like, hey, Mike, don't
1:39:23
Speaker 11: be trying to isolate that back against me, man. I
1:39:26
Speaker 11: try to use reverse psychology on him. And then the
1:39:28
Speaker 11: next season we're playing them in Denver and they come
1:39:35
Speaker 11: out in four wides on the very first play.
1:39:37
Speaker 3: Neutral back.
1:39:38
Speaker 11: I said, son of a bitch. I look over at
1:39:41
Speaker 11: Mike and he's over there smiling at me. I already knew.
1:39:43
Speaker 11: I mean, they're going to isolate me. They got nine yards.
1:39:46
Speaker 3: But he smiled.
1:39:48
Speaker 4: But damn it.
1:39:49
Speaker 3: It's the worst feeling in the world, man. When you
1:39:51
Speaker 3: know the focus is on you. They're running everybody off
1:39:53
Speaker 3: and it's right there on you.
1:39:55
Speaker 11: And you couldn't do anything. The thing that would help
1:39:58
Speaker 11: me was trying to do some stunts and fronts, stunts
1:40:02
Speaker 11: and games in the front. Because if you just throw
1:40:05
Speaker 11: off their feet one little move, They lose all momentum.
1:40:08
Speaker 5: And they have to get fully just in their breaking
1:40:11
Speaker 5: route versus them like optioning you.
1:40:12
Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.
1:40:14
Speaker 11: If they can free release, that's so hard. But if
1:40:16
Speaker 11: you can stop their feet, it could be half a second.
1:40:20
Speaker 11: It's a whole different game. They get caught in the
1:40:22
Speaker 11: trash a lot of times, too. So I figured out
1:40:25
Speaker 11: ways to help myself in times because, man, that's challenging.
1:40:30
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
1:40:31
Speaker 5: And no matter how it's. No matter how much effort
1:40:34
Speaker 5: you give in the technique that your position coach and
1:40:37
Speaker 5: coordinator and fucking everybody tries to talk about staying inside.
1:40:41
Speaker 5: You see how your feet get a little wider.
1:40:42
Speaker 3: You see how your hands go here.
1:40:43
Speaker 5: You're just a motherfucker. It's so much easier in this
1:40:46
Speaker 5: air conditioning right now. Coaching it. You go cover that motherfucker, man.
1:40:50
Speaker 3: They tried with safeties.
1:40:53
Speaker 5: Even when they would experiment on a safety coming down
1:40:55
Speaker 5: and the same thing would happen.
1:40:57
Speaker 11: I'm telling you, it's hard. That's the hardest coverage.
1:40:59
Speaker 1: I don't care.
1:41:00
Speaker 11: You could be out there at corner and you have
1:41:02
Speaker 11: the sideline as a defender. But when you're in the
1:41:05
Speaker 11: middle of the field and it just seems like we
1:41:07
Speaker 11: had a four-man rush.
1:41:09
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:41:09
Speaker 3: So I'm like, man, y'all better get y'all's ass going because, man,
1:41:13
Speaker 3: hold it.
1:41:14
Speaker 4: Even New England.
1:41:16
Speaker 5: Just to interrupt, I like how we've gotten to the
1:41:18
Speaker 5: spot to where Mike Backer is now harder.
1:41:20
Speaker 3: At covering than cornerback, too.
1:41:22
Speaker 1: 100%.
1:41:23
Speaker 3: 100%.
1:41:24
Speaker 4: All day long.
1:41:24
Speaker 3: I'm not a viewer of this podcast. All day long.
1:41:28
Speaker 11: Especially even Kevin Falk came in the middle one time
1:41:31
Speaker 11: and did an in and out and a lazy one,
1:41:33
Speaker 11: and then went up on me.
1:41:35
Speaker 4: It's hard, man. It's hard.
1:41:36
Speaker 3: That's a hard coverage.
1:41:37
Speaker 5: Catch you sleeping a little bit, turn their back, and
1:41:38
Speaker 5: then turn it upfield.
1:41:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, man. Yeah.
1:41:41
Speaker 3: That's okay.
1:41:42
Speaker 5: We're just having some PTSD over here.
1:41:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hot flashes back to when you guys
1:41:46
Speaker 3: were playing.
1:41:47
Speaker 11: I used to curse everybody out when I came to
1:41:48
Speaker 11: the sidelines after that. Yeah.
1:41:51
Speaker 5: I know, especially you get the sack guys that don't
1:41:53
Speaker 5: want the butch call or the bam call. And I'm
1:41:55
Speaker 5: just like, buddy, I'm fucking giving you one because that's
1:41:59
Speaker 5: how we'll be successful on this play.
1:42:00
Speaker 3: Did you ever have a guy like Taylor that would
1:42:03
Speaker 3: be like, no, I'm here to play?
1:42:04
Speaker 5: Oh, for sure. Like Kerrigan, but Kerrigan, he was a sweetheart.
1:42:07
Speaker 5: He'd not want me to. But if it was a
1:42:10
Speaker 5: situation where I just absolutely knew that this play was
1:42:13
Speaker 5: like they're trying to isolate me, I'm doing it because
1:42:16
Speaker 5: that's how we're going to have success in the play.
1:42:18
Speaker 5: Because if not, like you rushing upfield and getting a
1:42:20
Speaker 5: good start, you're not going to get to the quarterback
1:42:23
Speaker 5: because the back's already going to have the free release,
1:42:24
Speaker 5: hit the angle right or whatever they're trying to do in.
1:42:26
Speaker 3: The red zone. You want the sack, but if I'm
1:42:28
Speaker 3: left alone on this guy, you're not going to get
1:42:30
Speaker 3: a sack because the ball is getting out. Right, right.
1:42:32
Speaker 5: Like if we know exactly what they're trying to do,
1:42:34
Speaker 5: like how they're trying to attack you offensively, not like, Hey,
1:42:37
Speaker 5: I'm just on my own. Like, let me just protect
1:42:39
Speaker 5: my ass the whole time. But if you know, when
1:42:41
Speaker 5: the back's fully chowed, this is the look, the wise
1:42:45
Speaker 5: flex a little bit, you're.
1:42:46
Speaker 3: On the 16 yard line.
1:42:48
Speaker 5: He's in the boundary. It's like this one, buddy, bam
1:42:51
Speaker 5: him coming out. Cause they're trying to go to him,
1:42:54
Speaker 5: get the quarterback off that first read so they can
1:42:56
Speaker 5: go somewhere else.
1:42:57
Speaker 3: The best thing, way more complicated, man. Just block them.
1:43:01
Speaker 3: Block the widest.
1:43:02
Speaker 11: One thing you got to know your players though. So
1:43:05
Speaker 11: if you're, defensive end stiff there's no way you bam
1:43:09
Speaker 11: him you don't butch him you know i'm saying don't
1:43:11
Speaker 11: put him in coverage you know we had a guy
1:43:14
Speaker 11: that was kind of a meathead it was.
1:43:16
Speaker 3: Your now just to be clear where are you saying
1:43:18
Speaker 3: butch like a.
1:43:19
Speaker 11: Heel butches is if the back goes outside you're taking
1:43:23
Speaker 11: them but don't give up okay we call that heel
1:43:25
Speaker 11: gotcha gotcha gotcha because they're usually sliding away because you
1:43:28
Speaker 11: have the back to that side and so it's wide
1:43:30
Speaker 11: open b gap blitz and so uh we had a
1:43:34
Speaker 11: guy that Channing was, cause you know, Channing didn't want
1:43:36
Speaker 11: to cover and he's telling him, Butch, Butch, and you
1:43:38
Speaker 11: got to tap.
1:43:39
Speaker 3: You got to tap. Yeah, I love how you heard him.
1:43:41
Speaker 11: And the guy looked back and says, my name ain't Butch.
1:43:44
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell?
1:43:46
Speaker 11: You got to, hey, so he didn't even know the call,
1:43:48
Speaker 11: you know? And so Channing's trying to tell him that
1:43:51
Speaker 11: he's going to blitz. I said, but you got to
1:43:53
Speaker 11: get that tap because he didn't even know it. But
1:43:56
Speaker 11: I thought that was pretty funny though.
1:43:58
Speaker 1: Butch, my name ain't Butch. Yeah.
1:44:02
Speaker 3: The hell with me butchering this, dude.
1:44:03
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:44:04
Speaker 3: It's been beautiful. You thinking about BLQ?
1:44:06
Speaker 5: We can hit the BLQ.
1:44:07
Speaker 3: All right.
1:44:08
Speaker 5: I could talk to OZT.
1:44:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could do this all day, man. Yeah. But
1:44:12
Speaker 3: this is a very important question. So I need you
1:44:14
Speaker 3: to lock in for this one. Are you familiar with
1:44:15
Speaker 3: the BLQ?
1:44:16
Speaker 11: Is that the Bud Light question of the day?
1:44:19
Speaker 3: You are a neck up guy. You really are dialed in.
1:44:21
Speaker 3: You're probably one of the only guests we've had that
1:44:24
Speaker 3: I felt comfortable enough asking if you knew what that was.
1:44:26
Speaker 1: I already know.
1:44:26
Speaker 3: Some of these nuggets you put in. We all know
1:44:29
Speaker 3: anybody would do anything for an ice cold Bud Light.
1:44:31
Speaker 3: What's something that you would do anything for?
1:44:33
Speaker 11: Well, I thought about this one because y'all ask it
1:44:36
Speaker 11: most of the time, right? Um, it's a hard one.
1:44:40
Speaker 11: You know, I feel like, uh, there's somebody that said
1:44:43
Speaker 11: they want to live a longer life, but that would
1:44:45
Speaker 11: be kind of cruel because watching your loved ones die.
1:44:47
Speaker 11: And then, and then, uh, I'll, I'll just say, be
1:44:52
Speaker 11: more grateful, man. Grateful that Just grateful that I was born,
1:45:00
Speaker 11: to be honest with you. Grateful I live in America, dude.
1:45:02
Speaker 11: There's so many things. Grateful I got to play a
1:45:04
Speaker 11: game for a living. If you're just grateful, I don't
1:45:07
Speaker 11: care how long you want to live. If you're just
1:45:09
Speaker 11: negative and all that stuff, you want to get the
1:45:11
Speaker 11: best out of your life. And I feel like, I
1:45:13
Speaker 11: think grateful for me, always one, man. Grateful that I
1:45:16
Speaker 11: have a, football gave me everything. It gave me family,
1:45:19
Speaker 11: you know, purpose. And I'm grateful. I'm sitting on a
1:45:23
Speaker 11: bus with you guys. We're just bullshitting and talking football, man.
1:45:27
Speaker 11: I'm grateful as hell to even be here today and
1:45:30
Speaker 11: go to Ray Nitsky luncheon today. That's going to be
1:45:33
Speaker 11: awesome to see these guys that you looked up to talking.
1:45:37
Speaker 11: They get up and talk, and it is awesome, man.
1:45:40
Speaker 11: I'm still a rookie, so they got to ask me
1:45:42
Speaker 11: to talk to talk.
1:45:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I respect these guys.
1:45:46
Speaker 5: Hey, you saying that too, who were some of your
1:45:48
Speaker 5: idols growing up? And then even guys you saw on
1:45:51
Speaker 5: the field, even when you were Zach Thomas, that you're like,
1:45:55
Speaker 5: That dude right there, I've always respected his game.
1:45:57
Speaker 11: Number one, before I got to college was Mike Singletary,
1:46:02
Speaker 11: but then Emmett. I loved Emmett the way he ran
1:46:05
Speaker 11: the ball.
1:46:06
Speaker 1: Junior, man.
1:46:07
Speaker 11: Junior Sale was my favorite of all time. I got
1:46:10
Speaker 11: to play with him. And, man, that guy was the best, man.
1:46:16
Speaker 11: He was full of pranks. And, you know, it's sad
1:46:19
Speaker 11: because you never check on a smiling friend. and uh
1:46:23
Speaker 11: you know he drove off a cliff one time 100
1:46:25
Speaker 11: foot and he survived and at the time i didn't
1:46:29
Speaker 11: think you know i just text him what the hell
1:46:32
Speaker 11: and he responds in third person because he was awesome
1:46:36
Speaker 11: um he's like buddy fell asleep and so you believe
1:46:38
Speaker 11: him because he was always that good energy you never
1:46:40
Speaker 11: thought he would you know uh do what he did
1:46:44
Speaker 11: um i wish i could have been there for him
1:46:47
Speaker 11: and that's uh that's pretty tough but i i miss
1:46:50
Speaker 11: his pranks man like uh And the best story that
1:46:55
Speaker 11: I tell with him was when I was at first
1:46:57
Speaker 11: made the Pro Bowl. The night before the game, I'm
1:47:00
Speaker 11: getting ready for the game. And, you know, out there,
1:47:04
Speaker 11: nobody's really cares much, but I am. And I go
1:47:07
Speaker 11: down and Junior's at the pool with John Lynch and
1:47:09
Speaker 11: he's like, sit down, rookie.
1:47:11
Speaker 3: Like, all right.
1:47:11
Speaker 11: So we start having some matas and we drink until
1:47:16
Speaker 11: like three in the morning. And I'm like, oh, my God,
1:47:20
Speaker 11: I got to go back to the room. And Junior
1:47:22
Speaker 11: could go. He was 100 percent off the field, too.
1:47:25
Speaker 11: And so I'm leaving. And they said, hey, you're going
1:47:28
Speaker 11: to hit the first bus.
1:47:29
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah.
1:47:31
Speaker 11: And they go, all right, man, what room number? Yeah, man,
1:47:33
Speaker 11: we'll make sure you're up. I'm like, thanks, man. So
1:47:36
Speaker 11: I'm checking out the next day. They put all their
1:47:38
Speaker 11: drinks on my room all week. of all the drinks,
1:47:43
Speaker 11: my bill was the highest damn bill ever. And I'm
1:47:47
Speaker 11: over there playing that game. Like we need to win, man.
1:47:49
Speaker 11: Cause I need to pay off my damn bill. But
1:47:52
Speaker 11: that's the shit that you miss. You know what I'm saying? So,
1:47:57
Speaker 11: but buddy, rest in peace, man. That guy was a
1:48:01
Speaker 11: awesome 12 year pro bowler, man. And he played downhill
1:48:05
Speaker 11: and talking about somebody who would just blitz the B gap.
1:48:08
Speaker 11: My God, he was awesome, dude. One of the best players.
1:48:13
Speaker 11: I ever got to play with and of the game,
1:48:16
Speaker 11: Would he ever just.
1:48:17
Speaker 3: Go rogue and just blitz?
1:48:19
Speaker 1: I never did.
1:48:20
Speaker 11: Well, that is wrong. There was in red zone one
1:48:25
Speaker 11: time when they're getting a three-by-one and they have a
1:48:28
Speaker 11: neutral back, he would go weak. I would tell our
1:48:32
Speaker 11: defensive end, hey, cover him if he flares because he's
1:48:34
Speaker 11: a red zone beater, and I blitzed and I.
1:48:37
Speaker 4: Got the sack.
1:48:37
Speaker 3: But you have to get the sack. But I did that.
1:48:40
Speaker 11: Junior did it all the time. I mean, it would
1:48:42
Speaker 11: be like regular defense, base, and he'd say, baby, baby,
1:48:46
Speaker 11: or apple, apple, and just would just wreck shit up.
1:48:49
Speaker 11: It didn't matter because he was wrecking stuff up, and
1:48:52
Speaker 11: it would leave something wide open. But most of the time,
1:48:55
Speaker 11: you know, they never could get time to it because
1:48:57
Speaker 11: he saw something. That was amazing. He was a downhill player, 100%,
1:49:03
Speaker 11: you know, and I'm just happy to even play with
1:49:06
Speaker 11: him a couple years, man. He was awesome, man.
1:49:08
Speaker 5: That's incredible zag man tell you have any more.
1:49:12
Speaker 3: No i i will say that this has been an
1:49:14
Speaker 3: awesome podcast you talked about if you do anything for
1:49:17
Speaker 3: what you do anything for you say gratitude it's like
1:49:19
Speaker 3: i think i've sat on this bus and just listened
1:49:20
Speaker 3: to you be grateful the entire time which is awesome
1:49:23
Speaker 3: because i feel like so many guys could walk away
1:49:25
Speaker 3: from the game and feel jaded about just a couple
1:49:27
Speaker 3: situations but the fact that you did it made it
1:49:30
Speaker 3: to the hall of fame and still have this like
1:49:33
Speaker 3: viewpoint of what the game did for you and you
1:49:35
Speaker 3: don't feel jaded in any way it seems like so
1:49:38
Speaker 3: it's been an honor to sit on the madden bus
1:49:40
Speaker 3: with you and hang out.
1:49:41
Speaker 5: Well said man and you can you can tell to
1:49:44
Speaker 5: talking to you that how much appreciation you have for
1:49:48
Speaker 5: people that have impacted your life whether big or small
1:49:51
Speaker 5: yeah so many especially the old man oh yeah grandpa
1:49:56
Speaker 5: even just friends even to the moment where he's like
1:49:57
Speaker 5: can you believe we're on this bus man I'm like,
1:50:00
Speaker 5: you are right.
1:50:02
Speaker 3: It's pretty awesome.
1:50:03
Speaker 11: You can't forget those people, man. There's so many people
1:50:06
Speaker 11: you look back at. And I didn't really realize it
1:50:09
Speaker 11: until I'm writing my speech. I'm like, my God, amount
1:50:13
Speaker 11: of people that I can, I only got 12 minutes,
1:50:16
Speaker 11: but I couldn't thank them all. But there's so many
1:50:19
Speaker 11: people that affect your lives that that's when you get
1:50:22
Speaker 11: even more grateful. And you go, whoa, how am I
1:50:24
Speaker 11: even here? One wrong decision, one injury. One, you know,
1:50:30
Speaker 11: failing out of school, I wouldn't even be sitting here
1:50:32
Speaker 11: right now. I got ran over by a truck when
1:50:34
Speaker 11: I was two years old. So, you know, so I
1:50:38
Speaker 11: always thought I hit the lotto. I would always, anytime
1:50:40
Speaker 11: I would have a bad day, I'm like, shit, I
1:50:42
Speaker 11: could have been dead at two years old.
1:50:45
Speaker 3: How violent was that?
1:50:46
Speaker 5: I read that you got hit by a truck at
1:50:47
Speaker 5: two years old. Like, are we talking, you got bumped?
1:50:50
Speaker 3: No, it ran me over. Were you in the hospital
1:50:53
Speaker 3: for a few days? I was in the hospital.
1:50:55
Speaker 1: It broke my arm.
1:50:56
Speaker 11: It had tire tracks over me.
1:50:58
Speaker 3: They have two years old. Two years old.
1:51:01
Speaker 11: My dad left me. This is 70s parenting here, man.
1:51:04
Speaker 11: My dad left me on the farm with him while
1:51:06
Speaker 11: he was working. I was just playing on the back
1:51:08
Speaker 11: of a tire and a farmer, you know, backed over me.
1:51:10
Speaker 11: But what saved me was dirt because I was on dirt.
1:51:14
Speaker 11: And so it knocked me out, stretched my skin a
1:51:18
Speaker 11: little bit, put me in the hospital, broke my arm. And,
1:51:22
Speaker 11: you know, then my dad said, hey, I always knew
1:51:24
Speaker 11: you're going to be a football player because you just
1:51:27
Speaker 11: You survived that, you know? So, but isn't that crazy?
1:51:31
Speaker 11: So anytime I looked at any, every time I'm having
1:51:33
Speaker 11: a bad day.
1:51:33
Speaker 3: Is the dad leaving him and being like, that's how
1:51:35
Speaker 3: I know you're going to make it, man.
1:51:36
Speaker 5: Yeah.
1:51:36
Speaker 7: Didn't die.
1:51:37
Speaker 3: Good for you. Get a bump in the hospital. Need
1:51:40
Speaker 3: you on the form this weekend. Yeah, exactly. How bad
1:51:43
Speaker 3: is that arm actually? Stretch my skin a little bit
1:51:46
Speaker 3: is also a crazy comment we kind of went over.
1:51:47
Speaker 3: What are you, just like, your skin actually, do you
1:51:50
Speaker 3: have like stretch marks from the styro thing?
1:51:51
Speaker 4: Well, yeah.
1:51:53
Speaker 11: I mean, it has, It stretched my, it went over
1:51:55
Speaker 11: my face.
1:51:56
Speaker 3: No shit. Yeah.
1:51:58
Speaker 11: I mean, I'm not the best. Maybe I used to
1:52:00
Speaker 11: be better looking or something, you know, like I'm not
1:52:02
Speaker 11: the most photogenic male model. Oh yeah. I got story
1:52:08
Speaker 11: after story. Now you talk about male model. I'll tell
1:52:11
Speaker 11: you this story. Under Armour went to, to Miami and, um,
1:52:16
Speaker 11: they wanted to give me and Jason Taylor a package deal.
1:52:20
Speaker 11: And so they, they had him model their underwear and everything.
1:52:24
Speaker 11: guess what they wanted me to model what hunting gear
1:52:28
Speaker 11: hell yeah hunting gear as a model they wanted me
1:52:32
Speaker 11: in the tree stand with you know camouflage on and
1:52:35
Speaker 11: all that stuff while they're putting baby oil and freaking.
1:52:37
Speaker 15: Jason you know just one of those but that's a
1:52:42
Speaker 15: that's the thing i know we're on this bus but
1:52:45
Speaker 15: when you get around the guys the stories get better
1:52:48
Speaker 15: each time but the stories is what it.
1:52:50
Speaker 11: Like today, when I'm going back over here having drinks,
1:52:52
Speaker 11: hopefully y'all come find us. We'll exaggerate some more stories, man.
1:52:58
Speaker 11: And that's what I miss most about it. This is
1:53:01
Speaker 11: the locker room. And this is what, don't take for
1:53:03
Speaker 11: granted what you guys got. Because as, you know, I
1:53:07
Speaker 11: would love to be a coach, but it's too many hours.
1:53:09
Speaker 11: But you guys, y'all get to stay connected with the
1:53:12
Speaker 11: locker room. Think about that, man. And thinking with guys,
1:53:15
Speaker 11: hearing everybody's stories and all that, you get that same type.
1:53:19
Speaker 1: Locker room feel, man. And you're getting paid for it.
1:53:22
Speaker 4: How about that?
1:53:23
Speaker 3: It's crazy. We think about it all the time. You
1:53:25
Speaker 3: talk to guys that... leave and they're done they're done
1:53:28
Speaker 3: playing they hang them up and they have like a
1:53:30
Speaker 3: massive identity crisis and they just they miss the locker
1:53:32
Speaker 3: room more than anything yeah and the fact that we
1:53:34
Speaker 3: still get to do it and rip around not only
1:53:37
Speaker 3: in the nfl but also college as well and have
1:53:39
Speaker 3: all these other life experiences and then people are like
1:53:41
Speaker 3: hey we'll give you guys more money to keep doing
1:53:43
Speaker 3: that it's like this is the fucking lottery like we've
1:53:46
Speaker 3: truly won the game so we're just kind of i
1:53:49
Speaker 3: think we're gonna keep doing this till we get found
1:53:51
Speaker 3: out yeah wait a second.
1:53:53
Speaker 11: We're lucky, brother. Hey, no, man. Y'all put in the work.
1:53:55
Speaker 11: It's a lot of work. You got to stay on
1:53:57
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1:54:00
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1:54:03
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1:54:05
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Speaker 4: So we had a.
1:55:59
Speaker 3: Great start for Bustin' with the Boys. We're already bustin' balls.
1:56:02
Speaker 5: But we have Charles Haley on the podcast.
1:56:05
Speaker 3: First player. Are you the only player that went five?
1:56:07
Speaker 3: Or wait, no, Tom. Tom's the first one to win five.
1:56:10
Speaker 3: He actually played recently.
1:56:12
Speaker 5: Basically created this hybrid elephant position back in the day
1:56:15
Speaker 5: that you see Michael Parsons, Miles Garrett, and everybody else doing.
1:56:20
Speaker 3: But awesome to have you on the show. Massive fan.
1:56:24
Speaker 4: Thank you, guys, man. You know, I just came in
1:56:28
Speaker 4: the league at 200 pounds. I made, I made, made
1:56:32
Speaker 4: it really hard for them to keep me on the bench.
1:56:35
Speaker 4: So they had to make up something.
1:56:37
Speaker 5: How big of a shock was it? Like, uh, reading
1:56:39
Speaker 5: up and knowing you grew up in a small town
1:56:41
Speaker 5: in Virginia, you go to James Madison, then obviously you
1:56:44
Speaker 5: get drafted by San Francisco. How much of a, of a,
1:56:47
Speaker 5: a culture shock, how big of a move was it
1:56:50
Speaker 5: going across the country, uh, during your rookie year?
1:56:54
Speaker 4: Um, you know, getting on that plane for the first time.
1:56:57
Speaker 4: And then, um, you know, when you ain't never been
1:57:00
Speaker 4: on a plane and then you go all the way
1:57:02
Speaker 4: across and then you get there and, you know, I
1:57:05
Speaker 4: didn't know what baggage claim, none of that stuff. So
1:57:08
Speaker 4: I asked this white guy and he started speaking another language.
1:57:12
Speaker 4: And so I'm going like, okay, what the hell's going on?
1:57:14
Speaker 4: Then I go to ask this black guy. He started
1:57:17
Speaker 4: speaking another language. Man, I was terrified. I went back
1:57:19
Speaker 4: to the gate, hoping that plane could take me back home.
1:57:23
Speaker 4: And then I kept hearing my damn name on the intercom.
1:57:26
Speaker 4: Come to baggage claim. And then, you know, I didn't
1:57:28
Speaker 4: know what no baggage claim was. So I went back
1:57:31
Speaker 4: to the gate, and John Gruden came and got me
1:57:34
Speaker 4: at the gate. Back then, you could walk through the airport. And,
1:57:38
Speaker 4: you know, because back then, he was just the gopher.
1:57:41
Speaker 4: You know, he hasn't made it to John Gruden. Just
1:57:43
Speaker 4: the gopher.
1:57:44
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that we know of now. Yeah, so John
1:57:47
Speaker 3: went and grabbed you at the gate.
1:57:49
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:57:49
Speaker 3: He calmed me down. He said, hey, you're going to
1:57:50
Speaker 3: be all right. We got you here.
1:57:52
Speaker 4: Get your bags. Get you all set up. I don't
1:57:54
Speaker 4: think he talked. I know I didn't, so I don't
1:57:58
Speaker 4: know why he would talk.
1:57:59
Speaker 5: Yeah.
1:57:59
Speaker 3: How was it being in San Francisco? I mean, you
1:58:02
Speaker 3: clearly had so much success so early, but how long
1:58:05
Speaker 3: did it take you to get acclimated to being in
1:58:07
Speaker 3: a big city?
1:58:08
Speaker 4: Um, it was, it was, um, that part wasn't nothing, man.
1:58:12
Speaker 4: Cause I'm, I'm, I go to work and go home.
1:58:14
Speaker 4: I don't care about all the other, the other part of, of, um,
1:58:18
Speaker 4: the life. And then, um, we would go to like, um,
1:58:21
Speaker 4: Chili's or something, um, the rookies and we would go
1:58:25
Speaker 4: eat and talk about, um, you know, the stress and
1:58:29
Speaker 4: how we're going to overcome that. We were a really
1:58:31
Speaker 4: tight group.
1:58:32
Speaker 3: Yeah. How was, uh, the rookie hazing back in your day?
1:58:35
Speaker 3: Cause for us, I came in, I came in, uh,
1:58:40
Speaker 3: you know, I had a certain haircut. They shaved my head.
1:58:43
Speaker 3: They took some guy's eyebrows off. They would saran wrap
1:58:46
Speaker 3: them to a pole and code red and put mustard
1:58:49
Speaker 3: on them. Like what was the, what was back in
1:58:50
Speaker 3: your day?
1:58:51
Speaker 4: Oh my God, man. It was, it was, it was,
1:58:53
Speaker 4: you know, it was, It was like everybody wanted to
1:58:56
Speaker 4: pick on me. Yeah. And, you know, the offensive line
1:59:01
Speaker 4: and defensive line, they picked me up and took me
1:59:05
Speaker 4: to a goal post. They put tape around my head
1:59:08
Speaker 4: and they did my hair. I didn't realize how hard
1:59:11
Speaker 4: it is to move your hair with just a little
1:59:13
Speaker 4: bit of tape. And they left my ass out there
1:59:16
Speaker 4: for two hours. And Bill Walsh stepped out on the
1:59:21
Speaker 4: patio and saw me. He had somebody come... Cut me down, man.
1:59:26
Speaker 4: I would have been out there for days. Because, you know,
1:59:28
Speaker 4: they did my feet too. So, you know, that was
1:59:33
Speaker 4: not a good day for them. Yeah. Because, you know,
1:59:35
Speaker 4: payback is hell.
1:59:37
Speaker 3: Do you get them back or do the coaches get
1:59:38
Speaker 3: them back?
1:59:40
Speaker 4: Payback is hell.
1:59:44
Speaker 5: Now, when this is happening, are you a rookie that's
1:59:47
Speaker 5: like going along with it? Like, okay, this is part
1:59:49
Speaker 5: of the process. Are you guys kind of fighting on
1:59:51
Speaker 5: the way out there, but there's just too many of them.
1:59:53
Speaker 3: So you couldn't get your hands on them all.
1:59:54
Speaker 4: Come on, bro. You got, I told you off of
1:59:57
Speaker 4: the deep of the line, they were big. So you
1:59:59
Speaker 4: know what?
1:59:59
Speaker 3: All right.
2:00:01
Speaker 4: What I'm fighting for? I ain't gonna get away.
2:00:02
Speaker 3: So you're like, I'm outnumbered right now. Go ahead, do
2:00:05
Speaker 3: your thing. Oh, you played possum. You went out there like,
2:00:08
Speaker 3: all right, fine.
2:00:08
Speaker 4: Do what you need to do. I didn't think they
2:00:11
Speaker 4: were going to leave me out there. What kind of.
2:00:12
Speaker 3: Hazing did you do to the rookies that would come in?
2:00:16
Speaker 4: I didn't do anything. I didn't like being hazed, so
2:00:19
Speaker 4: I didn't pass that forward. You know, I don't know.
2:00:23
Speaker 4: Maybe every once in a while when one of them
2:00:26
Speaker 4: might get out of hand and somebody hold them in
2:00:30
Speaker 4: and then I hit them in the ribs. Cause you know,
2:00:32
Speaker 4: I was hungry that day. Cause they, you know, they
2:00:34
Speaker 4: started talking. So you know what? I figured they want
2:00:37
Speaker 4: me to hit them in the ribs to shut up.
2:00:39
Speaker 4: So it's hard to talk when you, when you, when
2:00:42
Speaker 4: you're trying to hold that rib down. Yeah. So, you know,
2:00:46
Speaker 4: but some of them were dumb and still trying to
2:00:48
Speaker 4: talk and I hit the other rib and then they
2:00:51
Speaker 4: realized that it ain't that party, you know, you better
2:00:55
Speaker 4: shut up real fast.
2:00:57
Speaker 3: Sounds like you didn't like to play a lot of
2:00:58
Speaker 3: games that way.
2:00:59
Speaker 4: No, I don't.
2:01:00
Speaker 3: With your position, you kind of had a hybrid position
2:01:04
Speaker 3: called the elephant when you first got to San Francisco.
2:01:06
Speaker 3: How long did it take from your rookie year to
2:01:08
Speaker 3: when did you start to be able to learn, oh,
2:01:09
Speaker 3: I can play kind of anywhere I want on this
2:01:12
Speaker 3: defense and still have the same level of productivity? Because
2:01:15
Speaker 3: you did it so long ago and crushed it. And
2:01:18
Speaker 3: then as of recent, you had guys like J.J. Watt,
2:01:21
Speaker 3: Micah Parsons, Miles Garrett, and they're all getting praised for
2:01:24
Speaker 3: playing a three technique and a defensive end. but you
2:01:26
Speaker 3: were kind of jumping all over the place on the
2:01:28
Speaker 3: defensive side of the ball.
2:01:30
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:01:30
Speaker 4: You know what? It was incredible. Um, you know, um,
2:01:33
Speaker 4: like I said, it was hard for them to keep
2:01:35
Speaker 4: me on the bench and, um, but I could take
2:01:38
Speaker 4: the nose tackle and put them out there, put them
2:01:41
Speaker 4: out there at the end, or at three technique, push
2:01:43
Speaker 4: everybody up and then I could line up on the nose. And, um,
2:01:47
Speaker 4: Hey man, it was exciting, man. It was always a
2:01:49
Speaker 4: new adventure for me. And, um, you know, um, those
2:01:52
Speaker 4: guys caught hell trying to stop me. So they, I
2:01:56
Speaker 4: always had a back or somebody waiting on me. But
2:02:01
Speaker 4: I really enjoyed that part of the defense. You know,
2:02:06
Speaker 4: the worst thing about it is that I had to
2:02:08
Speaker 4: learn the linebacker position from the D-line room because the
2:02:12
Speaker 4: linebacker coach was, you know, he was a very weak-minded guy.
2:02:19
Speaker 4: And I think he might have been scared of me
2:02:21
Speaker 4: a little bit. And so... I had to learn the defense,
2:02:27
Speaker 4: which didn't matter to me because I knew everybody's position.
2:02:30
Speaker 4: I knew what everybody had to do on every play.
2:02:34
Speaker 4: And that helped me to play fast when you know
2:02:37
Speaker 4: stuff like that.
2:02:39
Speaker 5: You talk a lot, really highly, about your relationship with
2:02:41
Speaker 5: Ronnie Lott. What formed when you got to San Francisco
2:02:45
Speaker 5: that made him such a close confidant and friend of yours?
2:02:49
Speaker 4: He was a DOG, you know? and the other thing
2:02:54
Speaker 4: about him, man, I couldn't understand how he could turn
2:02:56
Speaker 4: that light bulb on and off like that. And I
2:02:59
Speaker 4: wanted to figure it out, man. And, um, so, you know, I,
2:03:03
Speaker 4: you know, I stayed under my, um, um, for a
2:03:06
Speaker 4: couple of years. And then my second year, um, we
2:03:09
Speaker 4: were doing karate, you know, where George Chong and, um,
2:03:13
Speaker 4: and then, you know, he made me on my day off,
2:03:15
Speaker 4: go to, um, barbershop and he was getting up Nikes and, um,
2:03:21
Speaker 4: This kid walked over to him and said, Mr. Lott,
2:03:25
Speaker 4: what makes you great? He said, I play without fear, right?
2:03:28
Speaker 4: You know, because I had slid up on his arm
2:03:30
Speaker 4: because I was always under Ronnie's wing. And when I
2:03:34
Speaker 4: heard that, that was the last time I was under
2:03:37
Speaker 4: his wings anymore. I realized that I need to take
2:03:41
Speaker 4: my game to a new level. And that's when I
2:03:44
Speaker 4: think I really blossomed.
2:03:46
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you played with fear before you
2:03:48
Speaker 3: heard him tell the kid that?
2:03:50
Speaker 4: You know what? I don't know. But I know after that,
2:03:55
Speaker 4: it never crossed my mind or it was never a part.
2:03:59
Speaker 4: It depends on some of the players I went up against.
2:04:02
Speaker 4: I might be a little fearful for. I know one thing.
2:04:07
Speaker 4: I stopped reading the program. I read a program. The
2:04:11
Speaker 4: offensive lineman just lost his kid. His other kid got
2:04:16
Speaker 4: Down syndrome. So I'm reading all this stuff. Man, I
2:04:19
Speaker 4: got my butt kicked. Hey, that was the last time
2:04:23
Speaker 4: I knew off of the line the name. I know
2:04:26
Speaker 4: that number, that's it. But I never, I couldn't tell
2:04:29
Speaker 4: you that name of anybody I played against because they
2:04:33
Speaker 4: were just a number.
2:04:35
Speaker 3: Before reading that last program for the last time, who
2:04:39
Speaker 3: were the guys that you looked at and you're like, oh,
2:04:41
Speaker 3: I'm nervous about going against them before Ronnie Lott hit
2:04:44
Speaker 3: that awesome bar in front of that kid?
2:04:46
Speaker 1: Um.
2:04:49
Speaker 4: I don't I don't I know Jackie Slater hit me
2:04:52
Speaker 4: so hard. I saw Jesus Christ in all three forms.
2:04:55
Speaker 4: You know, at the hall, I tell him all the
2:04:58
Speaker 4: time in front of my son there by the day
2:05:00
Speaker 4: he kicked my butt, you know, and Jack, I know
2:05:03
Speaker 4: he didn't know he didn't. I'm going like, hey, bro,
2:05:06
Speaker 4: how many people in this building do I say you
2:05:09
Speaker 4: kick my butt that they kick my butt? You and
2:05:12
Speaker 4: Anthony Munoz. Anthony, man, he was a technician, and I
2:05:20
Speaker 4: think I beat him for a sack, man. And he's Hispanic.
2:05:24
Speaker 4: I never met a Hispanic, so he was speaking in Spanish, right?
2:05:28
Speaker 4: So I didn't know what the hell was going on, man.
2:05:30
Speaker 4: And so he made me nervous, so I go to
2:05:32
Speaker 4: the sideline.
2:05:33
Speaker 3: He made you nervous?
2:05:34
Speaker 4: Hey, bro. I thought the dude was losing, man. And
2:05:37
Speaker 4: I go to the sideline and I wouldn't go back
2:05:39
Speaker 4: in there. So Ronnie comes over and goes like.
2:05:41
Speaker 3: What is your problem?
2:05:43
Speaker 4: I said, man, that's me. This guy's crazy, man.
2:05:45
Speaker 3: He was talking.
2:05:46
Speaker 4: Ronnie said, that's Spanish. I said, what the hell is
2:05:48
Speaker 4: a Spanish, man? So Ronnie had to explain to me, man.
2:05:53
Speaker 4: And then I went back in, man. I was very naive.
2:05:57
Speaker 4: Very naive.
2:05:58
Speaker 3: You think some guy's possessed. He's just talking in Spanish
2:06:00
Speaker 3: the whole time.
2:06:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what's going on, bro. When, uh....
2:06:05
Speaker 5: When Ronnie went to Oakland, what do you feel like did,
2:06:10
Speaker 5: what did that do for you and what do you
2:06:12
Speaker 5: feel like it did for the locker room?
2:06:15
Speaker 4: For me, it destroyed my stability. Ronnie was my, Ronnie
2:06:21
Speaker 4: was my rock where, you know, they, nobody talked to
2:06:26
Speaker 4: me that went to Ronnie. Every time I did something
2:06:28
Speaker 4: to go to Ronnie. And so, you know, I, I got,
2:06:32
Speaker 4: I got it from somebody that I respected, whether I
2:06:35
Speaker 4: did good or bad. And, um, and then, you know, he, we,
2:06:39
Speaker 4: we sat down and come to a solution about it.
2:06:41
Speaker 1: Right.
2:06:42
Speaker 4: And, um, you know, Ronnie was running with a butthole
2:06:45
Speaker 4: cause he would tell me, Oh, John did this, this, this.
2:06:48
Speaker 4: So I thought that means go hit him in the mouth.
2:06:49
Speaker 4: So I would go hit him in the mouth. Right.
2:06:51
Speaker 4: Then they'll go tell Ronnie, Oh, he hit her in
2:06:53
Speaker 4: the mouth. Ronnie go like, why did you do that?
2:06:55
Speaker 4: And then the next week he would tell me something
2:06:57
Speaker 4: else and I go hit somebody else in the mouth.
2:06:59
Speaker 3: Or you know. You just going over across the locker room. Somebody,
2:07:01
Speaker 3: you hear something, you're.
2:07:02
Speaker 4: Like, all right, I'm gonna go.
2:07:04
Speaker 3: No, no, I ain't no hear something.
2:07:05
Speaker 4: Ronnie, Ronnie, yeah. Ronnie would say something, man. And I,
2:07:08
Speaker 4: you know, hey, bro, we good. You know, me and
2:07:12
Speaker 4: Fear ain't friends.
2:07:13
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:07:13
Speaker 4: You know, hey, you know, I tell people all the time,
2:07:17
Speaker 4: I said, my brother's gonna beat me unmercifully and leave
2:07:20
Speaker 4: me out there. I said, y'all can just hit me
2:07:21
Speaker 4: a couple of times and think it's all good. And
2:07:24
Speaker 4: it don't work like that.
2:07:26
Speaker 3: How long was, how long were you and Ronnie together
2:07:28
Speaker 3: before he went to Oakland?
2:07:29
Speaker 4: Um, I think five years and, um, my life spiraled
2:07:33
Speaker 4: out of control after that. Um, um, cause you know,
2:07:36
Speaker 4: I really hated George Seifer for them, put him on
2:07:39
Speaker 4: plan B, um, at, at the, at the pro ball,
2:07:43
Speaker 4: they did it to him at the pro ball and, um,
2:07:46
Speaker 4: and it really hurt Ronnie and, um, and I felt
2:07:49
Speaker 4: his pain and I couldn't let it go. So, um,
2:07:52
Speaker 4: but I should have known that at some point everybody
2:07:55
Speaker 4: gets traded or cut, but I never thought it would
2:08:00
Speaker 4: be him.
2:08:01
Speaker 3: Was that like your first moment of realizing how much
2:08:04
Speaker 3: of a business the NFL was when Ronnie was traded?
2:08:08
Speaker 4: I didn't look at his business. I looked at they
2:08:10
Speaker 4: were assholes and got rid of my best friend. I
2:08:14
Speaker 4: never looked at the business part of it. Like I said,
2:08:18
Speaker 4: Ronnie was my rock, man. They tried to put other
2:08:25
Speaker 4: people there to take Ronnie's spot, but it never worked out.
2:08:29
Speaker 3: You had what sounds like a good relationship with Montana.
2:08:32
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. Pinocchio?
2:08:34
Speaker 14: Yeah.
2:08:35
Speaker 4: Why Pinocchio? Huh?
2:08:38
Speaker 3: Why Pinocchio?
2:08:39
Speaker 4: He got that big nose, man.
2:08:40
Speaker 3: I thought he was a liar or something like that.
2:08:43
Speaker 4: No, no, no, dog. We, uh, he used to call
2:08:46
Speaker 4: me bullet head and I used to call him Pinocchio and,
2:08:49
Speaker 4: we'll be out at practice and I'll jump off sides,
2:08:52
Speaker 4: you know, uh, Joe be calling Cadence on this thing. And, um,
2:08:56
Speaker 4: I jump off sides and then Bill, I jump off
2:08:58
Speaker 4: sides twice. Bill goes, what is your problem? I said, well,
2:09:01
Speaker 4: Joe's nose is across the line and I keep jumping
2:09:04
Speaker 4: off because he keep moving his nose. So everybody busts
2:09:10
Speaker 4: out laughing. I know one time, you know, I came
2:09:15
Speaker 4: off the ball too fast and before I couldn't pull
2:09:19
Speaker 4: up and I hit Joe. So, you know, brother don't cry,
2:09:22
Speaker 4: but I watered the grass that day, dog. I won't cry, man,
2:09:25
Speaker 4: but some water would come to mind because I thought
2:09:28
Speaker 4: it was going to get cut. And then Joe go,
2:09:30
Speaker 4: that's as hard as you can hit like that. So
2:09:33
Speaker 4: he made a joke about it, man. I'm going like,
2:09:36
Speaker 4: thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you.
2:09:39
Speaker 3: Got to stay off the quarterback, man. Stay off the quarterback.
2:09:42
Speaker 5: But you had a, there's a story about you and
2:09:46
Speaker 5: Steve Young getting into it or you ripping out an
2:09:49
Speaker 5: IV and going after Steve Young. Ronnie is on Oakland
2:09:51
Speaker 5: at the time. But the lure is that Ronnie came
2:09:55
Speaker 5: to deescalate the situation.
2:09:58
Speaker 4: It had nothing to do with Steve Young. Me and
2:10:03
Speaker 4: I just wanted to beat Ronnie really bad and I
2:10:07
Speaker 4: lost control. And, you know, so I went, you know,
2:10:11
Speaker 4: I went at some different people and I ended up
2:10:14
Speaker 4: putting my hand through the wire, you know, that glass
2:10:18
Speaker 4: that got wire in it.
2:10:19
Speaker 5: Yeah.
2:10:20
Speaker 4: And so... I cut up all of my arm and stuff.
2:10:23
Speaker 4: And so I'm sitting there, no doctor, no trainer, nobody
2:10:27
Speaker 4: will come over there to help me.
2:10:28
Speaker 1: Right.
2:10:29
Speaker 4: So they went over to the Raiders and got Ronnie
2:10:33
Speaker 4: to come over and calm me down. So Ronnie calmed
2:10:36
Speaker 4: me down and then they were working on me. Ronnie left,
2:10:39
Speaker 4: they left. So, you know, I was over there bleeding
2:10:41
Speaker 4: for a while.
2:10:43
Speaker 3: My God. Who went and got Ronnie? Just a bunch
2:10:45
Speaker 3: of trainers and stuff like that? Because it's unheard of.
2:10:48
Speaker 4: I have no idea who went and got Ronnie. All
2:10:50
Speaker 4: I know is that I lost a field in my
2:10:53
Speaker 4: hand for about four or five games. So I couldn't
2:10:57
Speaker 4: feel my hand.
2:10:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it had nothing to do with Steve. No,
2:11:01
Speaker 3: nothing to do with Steve. Did you feel some type
2:11:03
Speaker 3: of way when Montana Pinocchio, your boy and Steve comes in,
2:11:06
Speaker 3: there's kind of like a change in the guard taking place.
2:11:08
Speaker 3: Did you feel any type of way about that?
2:11:10
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks?
2:11:11
Speaker 5: Um, I wasn't the team. Cause obviously it's like Joe Montana.
2:11:14
Speaker 5: You guys are winning super bowls and Steve young guy.
2:11:18
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:11:19
Speaker 4: Joe got Joe was hurt. And, um, Steve young was quarterbacking. And, um,
2:11:24
Speaker 4: you know, I, I, I didn't, I didn't really like Steve. Um, I, they,
2:11:31
Speaker 4: you know, I think Steve was the one that helped
2:11:33
Speaker 4: put that red jersey on for quarterback. Cause I used
2:11:37
Speaker 4: to go in and smash him when, um, you know,
2:11:39
Speaker 4: he was doing scout team. And, um, so, um, because
2:11:43
Speaker 4: you know what, I didn't, I didn't like him, uh,
2:11:46
Speaker 4: challenging Joe for his job. So I just, I thought,
2:11:50
Speaker 4: I don't know what I was thinking, but, um, All
2:11:53
Speaker 4: I know is that I protect my boys. Yeah.
2:11:57
Speaker 3: You sound like a person that when you find your people,
2:11:59
Speaker 3: you'll do whatever you.
2:11:59
Speaker 4: Can to protect them.
2:12:00
Speaker 1: I will.
2:12:01
Speaker 3: And so Montana is your guy. Steve comes in. It's
2:12:04
Speaker 3: just business. There's only one quarterback position.
2:12:06
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:12:06
Speaker 3: And you took that as basically fuck that. I'm not
2:12:09
Speaker 3: going to let my guy.
2:12:10
Speaker 4: Get taken out like that. Well, in the last three years,
2:12:13
Speaker 4: Steve has become a really good friend. Cause you know,
2:12:16
Speaker 4: he usually run, but now he comes and punches me.
2:12:19
Speaker 4: I'm going like, man, Hey, maybe we need to go
2:12:21
Speaker 4: back to the old school way. When I come in,
2:12:25
Speaker 4: you like the red sea, you know, you go left.
2:12:28
Speaker 4: I know. And I go right. You know? So, um, yeah,
2:12:31
Speaker 4: but you know, I, it's, it's great now having a, um,
2:12:34
Speaker 4: having a chance to get to know the guy.
2:12:37
Speaker 3: And, um, was there a, was there a moment in
2:12:39
Speaker 3: time where you and Steve obviously go back and forth
2:12:42
Speaker 3: when you're playing together? time takes place, was there a
2:12:45
Speaker 3: moment where you guys kind of buried the hatchet a
2:12:46
Speaker 3: little bit and be like, hey, we can move on?
2:12:48
Speaker 4: You didn't just understand what I just said. You said
2:12:50
Speaker 4: a couple years ago. I said three years ago, yeah.
2:12:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, three years ago it happened. You need to listen
2:12:54
Speaker 3: a little bit better, you know what I'm saying? I'm saying,
2:12:58
Speaker 3: is there a moment in the last three years?
2:13:00
Speaker 4: You heard me, but you didn't listen to me. Yeah.
2:13:03
Speaker 3: Just saying, man, sometimes things can happen.
2:13:05
Speaker 4: You're a smart dummy.
2:13:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much. We all are, man. I
2:13:08
Speaker 3: appreciate that.
2:13:08
Speaker 4: A lot of hits today.
2:13:09
Speaker 3: Hey, how about being on the Macintosh?
2:13:10
Speaker 4: This is awesome. I just tried to give you a
2:13:12
Speaker 4: little love.
2:13:13
Speaker 3: You know? Smart dummy.
2:13:14
Speaker 5: What do you remember most about the fallout and the
2:13:17
Speaker 5: trade from San Francisco to Dallas?
2:13:19
Speaker 4: What fallout?
2:13:21
Speaker 5: Like, wasn't there high temperatures when they were trading you
2:13:25
Speaker 5: out from San Francisco?
2:13:27
Speaker 4: High temperature.
2:13:28
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:13:28
Speaker 3: Like people pissed off at each.
2:13:29
Speaker 5: Other to where they're like, we can't deal with Charles
2:13:31
Speaker 5: or you're like, I don't want to be here anymore.
2:13:33
Speaker 4: Um, no, it was George C for made a, um,
2:13:36
Speaker 4: executive decision. He couldn't, he said he couldn't take it
2:13:39
Speaker 4: no more. You know, I asked him to stop calling
2:13:42
Speaker 4: me up to his office, you know, and, um, but
2:13:44
Speaker 4: he wanted me to be, um, be a team leader
2:13:47
Speaker 4: and stuff. And you know what, that's not my makeup.
2:13:50
Speaker 4: I'm very aggressive. And so, you know, so now you
2:13:53
Speaker 4: want me to go down that, and act like, oh,
2:13:56
Speaker 4: how's your kid, you know, boom, coom. So then I
2:13:59
Speaker 4: realized that, you know, they didn't think I'm a sellout.
2:14:01
Speaker 4: And so I told him he didn't want to listen.
2:14:04
Speaker 4: So I think we might've had, I might've did something
2:14:09
Speaker 4: dumb and he said he couldn't take it. So they
2:14:13
Speaker 4: sent me home and, you know, next day I'll go
2:14:17
Speaker 4: up and talk to Bill. Cause coach was having players
2:14:21
Speaker 4: calling me telling me go tell george i'm sorry or
2:14:24
Speaker 4: whatever right um that wasn't gonna happen but i did
2:14:28
Speaker 4: go up there but i went to see bill walsh
2:14:31
Speaker 4: and um and for the first time i wanted some
2:14:34
Speaker 4: damn advice so coach he he was at stanford coaching
2:14:37
Speaker 4: he sees me he he um left the practice come
2:14:42
Speaker 4: over there to the um benches and um we sat
2:14:45
Speaker 4: and talked and um i said coach um what should
2:14:49
Speaker 4: I do? And he said, Charles, if I tell you
2:14:52
Speaker 4: to stay and you're not happy, you're going to hate me.
2:14:55
Speaker 4: If I tell you to go and you're not happy,
2:14:57
Speaker 4: you're going to hate me. He said, it's time you
2:14:59
Speaker 4: put your big boy pants on. And I'm sitting there
2:15:02
Speaker 4: with my head down going like, damn, the first time
2:15:04
Speaker 4: I asked somebody for them, um, for their opinion, they
2:15:07
Speaker 4: don't want to give it to me, you know? So, um,
2:15:10
Speaker 4: you know, I, I was, um, I didn't care at
2:15:14
Speaker 4: that point. I didn't know, um, All I knew, I
2:15:17
Speaker 4: had a guaranteed contract for four years and I had
2:15:21
Speaker 4: three more. So I really didn't care. And then when
2:15:26
Speaker 4: I got traded to Dallas, I didn't know nothing about
2:15:28
Speaker 4: the Dallas Cowboys. And, you know, so it was a
2:15:33
Speaker 4: whole new experience.
2:15:35
Speaker 5: Do you ever, sitting where you are now, do you
2:15:38
Speaker 5: ever think back about, you know, not necessarily your regrets,
2:15:41
Speaker 5: but coaches.
2:15:42
Speaker 3: Or an organization wanting you to be more of a
2:15:44
Speaker 3: team leader.
2:15:45
Speaker 5: Do you think about that more now, especially having kids,
2:15:47
Speaker 5: knowing your daughter, she's a successful soccer player and any
2:15:51
Speaker 5: advice that they seek with you? Do you ever in
2:15:54
Speaker 5: the spot you're at, think back and, and, and feel like, man,
2:15:57
Speaker 5: I wish I would've handled some things differently.
2:16:00
Speaker 4: No, no, I don't, I don't live with regret, man. I, I, if, um, people, um,
2:16:06
Speaker 4: you know, I think that, I think he heard me,
2:16:09
Speaker 4: but he didn't listen to me. And, you know, at
2:16:12
Speaker 4: some point you got, you know, it was disrespectful, you know,
2:16:15
Speaker 4: because you say the same thing over and over again,
2:16:17
Speaker 4: and people still think they can change it. Then, you know,
2:16:20
Speaker 4: that means you're, you're not listening. And, um, as being
2:16:23
Speaker 4: disrespectful and, um, uh, you know, I, I left the 49ers, um,
2:16:28
Speaker 4: dejected because I was leaving a team of the eighties,
2:16:31
Speaker 4: but I got a new opportunity. And, um, It rejuvenated
2:16:36
Speaker 4: me to be around all those young guys, man. I've
2:16:38
Speaker 4: never seen that much athleticism in my life, in my
2:16:43
Speaker 4: whole life. Guys, there were deers jumping around out there, man.
2:16:47
Speaker 4: I'm going like, whoa.
2:16:48
Speaker 3: That roster you played with in Dallas was nuts.
2:16:51
Speaker 4: Oh, God, man. You don't even know. It was two
2:16:54
Speaker 4: number ones, two number twos, two number threes, every position.
2:16:58
Speaker 4: Every position. Guys were like, guys out there playing hurt because,
2:17:02
Speaker 4: they knew they wouldn't get that job back if they
2:17:05
Speaker 4: sat on the sideline. That was crazy.
2:17:09
Speaker 3: That was in the 90s, baby. That's your brand of
2:17:12
Speaker 3: football right there. We got a fan question here from
2:17:14
Speaker 3: Christopher Rule, and it's a very vague question, but it says,
2:17:17
Speaker 3: ask Charles about the White House. Something take place at
2:17:20
Speaker 3: the White House?
2:17:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got to meet the president when I went
2:17:25
Speaker 4: to the White House. Yeah, it was great, man. You know,
2:17:28
Speaker 4: I've met, I've met, Almost all the presidents since Jimmy Carter. So, um,
2:17:34
Speaker 4: that's my bucket list. So, um, you know, it was
2:17:39
Speaker 4: great experience.
2:17:40
Speaker 3: We got a chance to go up to the white
2:17:41
Speaker 3: house in June. It was the first time I had
2:17:42
Speaker 3: ever been there. It was awesome. Just being a walk
2:17:45
Speaker 3: in the history, all the, I use the photo of
2:17:48
Speaker 3: George Washington. You'll be able to go to the South
2:17:51
Speaker 3: lawn and go to the UFC fight. Yeah. It's incredible, man.
2:17:55
Speaker 4: Yeah. And, and, you know, Bill Clinton, um, he, um,
2:17:59
Speaker 4: you know, he brought us up for Easter, me and
2:18:01
Speaker 4: my kids, you know, for the, at the, at the
2:18:03
Speaker 4: white house. And then, um, so, um, the first time
2:18:08
Speaker 4: I meet him, um, You know, he had just come
2:18:11
Speaker 4: out and said that he smoked marijuana, but he didn't inhale. Right.
2:18:15
Speaker 4: So he comes up and I'm in line and he
2:18:20
Speaker 4: comes up and he shakes my hand and he says something.
2:18:23
Speaker 4: And I go like, Mr. President, I smoke marijuana. I inhale.
2:18:28
Speaker 4: How in the hell you didn't inhale? And he started laughing.
2:18:31
Speaker 4: You know, the president kind of big. He pulled me
2:18:34
Speaker 4: out of line. the walls start moving me. I, I, I,
2:18:37
Speaker 4: you know, I ain't pulling back. And my old lady
2:18:40
Speaker 4: kicked the shit out of me though. So now I'm
2:18:43
Speaker 4: hopping on one leg. I knew everybody thought I was crazy, man.
2:18:46
Speaker 4: I'm going like, wow. I mean, she kicked me hard, bro. And, um,
2:18:51
Speaker 4: so I went to, um, I went, went to LA
2:18:54
Speaker 4: to get my, um, back surgery. And, um, so I'm
2:18:57
Speaker 4: coming out of the surgery and, um, the nurse goes, um,
2:19:01
Speaker 4: It's a Secret Service guy there. I said, well, hell,
2:19:04
Speaker 4: it ain't me because I was asleep. I said, I
2:19:06
Speaker 4: didn't do it. And the president wrote me a handwritten
2:19:10
Speaker 4: note wishing me to get well. And, you know, and
2:19:15
Speaker 4: if any of the idiots out here that don't believe it,
2:19:17
Speaker 4: it's at the Hall of Fame. I gave it to
2:19:19
Speaker 4: them to put it in archives for life.
2:19:21
Speaker 3: That's awesome. That is awesome. I mean, we're sitting on
2:19:25
Speaker 3: the Madden bus right now. We're outside of the Hall
2:19:27
Speaker 3: of Fame. When did you know in your mind, did
2:19:30
Speaker 3: it ever cross your mind during your career that I'm
2:19:32
Speaker 3: going to be a Hall of Famer someday?
2:19:34
Speaker 4: No, I didn't worry about it. I didn't look that
2:19:36
Speaker 4: far ahead. I looked at every day as an opportunity
2:19:40
Speaker 4: for me to do something great in a game that
2:19:43
Speaker 4: I love with all my heart. You know, the pain,
2:19:46
Speaker 4: the heartache, you know, I think that made me, it
2:19:50
Speaker 4: helped build my character, helped build toughness and, you know, commitment.
2:19:56
Speaker 4: I tell young guys, I just talked to the defense
2:20:00
Speaker 4: team at the Cowboys, and I told them a secret.
2:20:04
Speaker 4: I said, you know what? I didn't play for Charles.
2:20:08
Speaker 4: I played for the guy next to my left and
2:20:11
Speaker 4: my right and behind me. Those are the guys I
2:20:14
Speaker 4: played for. And I just feel like today's game, nobody
2:20:22
Speaker 4: does anything anymore. We used to go eat, break bread
2:20:26
Speaker 4: together and stuff. Troy even show up, you know, and
2:20:29
Speaker 4: I mean, that's, that's a lot, man. And, and so,
2:20:34
Speaker 4: you know, it's all about money now and they getting
2:20:36
Speaker 4: a lot of it, but they're never going to wear
2:20:39
Speaker 4: as long as, as long as they think of as
2:20:41
Speaker 4: the individual, because you can't, you can't be a team
2:20:45
Speaker 4: on Sunday when you're all doing a week, you're individuals,
2:20:48
Speaker 4: you know?
2:20:48
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:20:48
Speaker 3: You need 11 guys playing as one. What was it
2:20:50
Speaker 3: like for you when you finally got the knock on
2:20:53
Speaker 3: the door? And people said that, hey, you're going to
2:20:56
Speaker 3: have a gold jacket. You're going to be in the
2:20:58
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. What emotions took over your body?
2:20:59
Speaker 4: Well, you know what? Did you cry? When I got
2:21:04
Speaker 4: knocked on the door, opened the door, and they told me,
2:21:08
Speaker 4: you know, I'm going to be a gold jacket. And,
2:21:10
Speaker 4: you know, my knees, you know, I stood there with
2:21:14
Speaker 4: David Baker as a man. And then as soon as
2:21:17
Speaker 4: the door closed, man, it's like my knees were ready
2:21:19
Speaker 4: to give out. And, you know, my family caught me laughing.
2:21:24
Speaker 4: But it was something amazing. I think it was inhumane
2:21:31
Speaker 4: to do it in the hotel because you're here for
2:21:34
Speaker 4: five years. I heard other people getting a knock and
2:21:38
Speaker 4: that family screaming and stuff. And then I didn't get
2:21:41
Speaker 4: the knock. I got a phone call. So you just
2:21:43
Speaker 4: go across. across there and everybody, you know, which I
2:21:47
Speaker 4: hated most of them because they go like, you should
2:21:50
Speaker 4: be in the hall, you should be in the hall. Bro,
2:21:51
Speaker 4: if I should be in there, why I ain't in there,
2:21:53
Speaker 4: you know? And I hate that. I hate that sympathy thing,
2:21:56
Speaker 4: why they smiling, going like, yeah, you know, hey, I'm
2:21:59
Speaker 4: glad you didn't get in there, you know? But yeah,
2:22:03
Speaker 4: I didn't, you know, it was, Now you get a knock,
2:22:07
Speaker 4: you go and get a knock on your door at home.
2:22:11
Speaker 4: So I think that is great, man. The excitement, you
2:22:16
Speaker 4: see a guy, you never see the disappointment because when
2:22:21
Speaker 4: you get that knock, you know you're there.
2:22:24
Speaker 3: Yeah. That's pretty unbelievable, too.
2:22:25
Speaker 5: I mean, small town in Virginia going to like no
2:22:28
Speaker 5: shots at James Madison. But the career that you had
2:22:32
Speaker 5: being in the Hall of Fame, I mean, you won.
2:22:34
Speaker 5: what five world championships in eight years? Like you had
2:22:37
Speaker 5: to feel like you were just on top of the world.
2:22:40
Speaker 4: No, I, I, I never wore my, and I don't
2:22:44
Speaker 4: wear my Superbowl ring because I never want to be satisfied. I,
2:22:48
Speaker 4: you know, most guys put that ring on and they
2:22:50
Speaker 4: think like, okay, I'd have made it. I want another one.
2:22:54
Speaker 4: My hunger and thirst for another one drove me to, um,
2:22:59
Speaker 4: you know, a new standard of excellence. And, um, The
2:23:02
Speaker 4: people around me probably didn't like me too much because
2:23:05
Speaker 4: I pushed, pushed, pushed. What we did last year is
2:23:08
Speaker 4: not good enough. You know, the D-line, you know, we're
2:23:10
Speaker 4: supposed to be out there 45 minutes. We're out there
2:23:13
Speaker 4: for almost two hours. And then, you know, the coach
2:23:16
Speaker 4: had to come and stop and, you know, had to
2:23:19
Speaker 4: stop the offseason training because, you know, because I, man, well, like,
2:23:24
Speaker 4: that's all we got, you know, and I kept pushing
2:23:27
Speaker 4: the training. And, you know, and guys, you know what?
2:23:31
Speaker 4: I have to say, none of them quit. And that
2:23:34
Speaker 4: tells a lot about their character. And I would have
2:23:37
Speaker 4: quit on me, dog, at least after an hour, dog.
2:23:41
Speaker 4: You know, I'm going, I could run all day. But,
2:23:44
Speaker 4: you know, the thing that I found fascinating, you know,
2:23:49
Speaker 4: I love psych character. I like messing with people's mind.
2:23:52
Speaker 4: And so we were doing 110s and I would sprint.
2:23:57
Speaker 4: I was sprint full sprint for 60 some yards and
2:24:01
Speaker 4: then just kind of cruise in. And so some guys
2:24:07
Speaker 4: were trying to stay with me, right. And, and then
2:24:10
Speaker 4: they realized that, no, that ain't that, that cup of
2:24:12
Speaker 4: tea ain't what they can drink, you know? And so
2:24:16
Speaker 4: I got to number 11 and then when I ran in,
2:24:20
Speaker 4: I grabbed my leg.
2:24:20
Speaker 3: Oh God.
2:24:21
Speaker 4: Like eight people pull hamstrings right there. Just from the suggestion, man. Hey, And,
2:24:28
Speaker 4: you know, that's why when I learned that the power
2:24:31
Speaker 4: of suggestion is strong, that a lot of people that
2:24:35
Speaker 4: you think are strong and you can make a suggestion
2:24:38
Speaker 4: and they'll react to it in a negative way.
2:24:40
Speaker 3: Do you ever wear the rings now?
2:24:43
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:24:43
Speaker 3: See, I was going to ask that question, but I
2:24:45
Speaker 3: was scared. What am I wearing them for? You want them.
2:24:46
Speaker 4: Hey, you did it. No, I just gave you the answer, man. Hey,
2:24:54
Speaker 4: I'm not, I'm not stuck. You know what? I'm a,
2:24:59
Speaker 4: I'm a, I'm a very broken man. You know, I,
2:25:01
Speaker 4: I had, you know, I was a man of depression, bipolar. And,
2:25:08
Speaker 4: you know, I did a lot of dumb stuff, man.
2:25:10
Speaker 4: And I heard a lot of people feelings and, you know, it's,
2:25:14
Speaker 4: you know, even now guys come up and, and, and say,
2:25:20
Speaker 4: and thank me and say, Hey, Thank you for helping
2:25:23
Speaker 4: me and teaching me this and that. And, you know,
2:25:28
Speaker 4: it's gratifying. You know, I think about three years ago,
2:25:33
Speaker 4: Jerry Jones told me, thank you for winning Super Bowls.
2:25:37
Speaker 4: And then he took a picture of me, right? And
2:25:40
Speaker 4: I go like, Oh, you know, I was, I was
2:25:42
Speaker 4: going to let him make it, but then I couldn't
2:25:44
Speaker 4: do it. I said, Oh, it took you 20 years
2:25:46
Speaker 4: to say it. He said, what are you talking about?
2:25:48
Speaker 4: He said, what are you talking about? Every time I
2:25:50
Speaker 4: got on radio or television, I said, we couldn't spell
2:25:53
Speaker 4: Superbowl without Charles Haley. I said, Oh, that's easy to
2:25:56
Speaker 4: get in front of camera set, but you ain't said
2:25:58
Speaker 4: to me. Right. And, um, you know, so, and then
2:26:02
Speaker 4: I got a chance to, um, um, ask Jimmy for forgiveness. Cause, um,
2:26:07
Speaker 4: we had the same goals, but, um, I just didn't
2:26:12
Speaker 4: like the way he went at it because as a coach, I,
2:26:15
Speaker 4: you know, um, from the 49 coaches, then, then, um,
2:26:19
Speaker 4: go ahead players or demean them. Um, you have captains
2:26:24
Speaker 4: that do that. And, uh, so it took me a
2:26:26
Speaker 4: while to figure that out. Um, you know, he's coming
2:26:30
Speaker 4: from Miami, you know, he had his way of doing
2:26:32
Speaker 4: things and I just, I didn't appreciate it. And, but, um,
2:26:38
Speaker 4: we both did the same way. I, you know, I
2:26:40
Speaker 4: was an asshole just like he was man. And, um,
2:26:43
Speaker 4: but I, I just thought as a player, iron sharpens iron. So, um, yeah.
2:26:50
Speaker 5: How much influence you feel like you had on, uh,
2:26:52
Speaker 5: Emmett Smith, him breaking his holdout when you guys started
2:26:55
Speaker 5: O and two, you guys like the only team to
2:26:56
Speaker 5: start O and two and then win a Superbowl.
2:26:58
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't, I don't know. Um, he just thought he,
2:27:02
Speaker 4: he thanked me for doing that. Um, probably, um, about
2:27:07
Speaker 4: 15 years ago dog and uh and but he taught
2:27:10
Speaker 4: me something too that day because um i didn't let
2:27:14
Speaker 4: him make it he goes like man you know you
2:27:17
Speaker 4: won't let anybody be your friend um because you know
2:27:20
Speaker 4: always attack before i get attacked and uh so um
2:27:24
Speaker 4: you know i i you know i listened to that
2:27:28
Speaker 4: um And then after that, I let that guard down
2:27:31
Speaker 4: and was able to allow people to communicate with me
2:27:35
Speaker 4: without me getting angry.
2:27:37
Speaker 5: Yeah, because it wasn't the lawyers, you guys, come in
2:27:40
Speaker 5: after going 0-2 and you slam your helmet and you're like,
2:27:43
Speaker 5: it's next to Jerry Jones.
2:27:46
Speaker 4: Is that how that went? I threw the helmet. I
2:27:48
Speaker 4: didn't know Jerry was over there. But, you know, I
2:27:51
Speaker 4: was saying some things and, you know, sometimes I just
2:27:55
Speaker 4: lose control. Yeah. And I threw it. Thank God I
2:27:58
Speaker 4: didn't hit him because I would have been on that bus.
2:28:02
Speaker 4: I probably would have been in handcuffs first. And then
2:28:05
Speaker 4: I would have been on that bus. Not going home,
2:28:07
Speaker 4: but going to jail.
2:28:09
Speaker 3: I got my notes here that obviously being a JMU alum,
2:28:13
Speaker 3: you're big on the G5 being in the college football playoff.
2:28:15
Speaker 3: You still stand by that?
2:28:16
Speaker 14: What?
2:28:17
Speaker 3: G5 football team. You a college football guy? You a
2:28:19
Speaker 3: college football guy? No, he's not a college football guy.
2:28:21
Speaker 4: What does that mean? G5.
2:28:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, G5 is....
2:28:27
Speaker 5: James Madison, you guys are part of the G5. The
2:28:29
Speaker 5: G5 has one team that goes to the college football
2:28:31
Speaker 5: playoff every year to go against the Power Four conferences.
2:28:34
Speaker 4: Okay.
2:28:35
Speaker 3: So my stance is no.
2:28:38
Speaker 4: Well, you know what? JMU has grown, man. I go there,
2:28:43
Speaker 4: go back. Oh, man, the campus is so beautiful. If
2:28:47
Speaker 4: you come in there as a recruit, my God, man.
2:28:54
Speaker 4: It's like, like being, you know, the fields that, you know,
2:28:56
Speaker 4: they got, they got, um, um, you know, they got
2:29:00
Speaker 4: parks on campus and stuff, man. It is so gorgeous.
2:29:04
Speaker 3: Athletes getting paid now?
2:29:05
Speaker 4: Huh?
2:29:05
Speaker 3: Athletes, the athletes are getting paid now?
2:29:07
Speaker 4: Oh yeah. Yeah, I'm pissed about that, dog. I should
2:29:10
Speaker 4: be getting paid, man. I'm waiting for somebody to do
2:29:12
Speaker 4: a lawsuit, man, for those old guys, man, you know?
2:29:16
Speaker 3: Shoot.
2:29:18
Speaker 4: Most of these guys suck and they get paid a lot,
2:29:20
Speaker 4: you know?
2:29:21
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:29:21
Speaker 3: The money is crazy. The guys that aren't, you know, even,
2:29:24
Speaker 3: I think guys that just make the team in general
2:29:26
Speaker 3: are making like $ 50, 000 in these bigger schools.
2:29:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what? Most of them come in taking
2:29:31
Speaker 4: a pay cut.
2:29:33
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:29:34
Speaker 3: That happened with Shadur Sanders.
2:29:35
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:29:36
Speaker 3: That's just wild.
2:29:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of those guys going from making a
2:29:38
Speaker 5: million dollars to then you're getting whatever the league minimum
2:29:41
Speaker 5: is now.
2:29:41
Speaker 3: But, yeah. You ever look at what the guys are
2:29:43
Speaker 3: making now and just get sick to your stomach?
2:29:45
Speaker 4: No.
2:29:46
Speaker 3: All right. That's a good question. Because you know Charles Haley,
2:29:50
Speaker 3: he'd be getting it. What is Mike and them even
2:29:52
Speaker 3: getting now?
2:29:53
Speaker 4: Who?
2:29:54
Speaker 3: Micah. Micah Parsons. Oh, they're 150, 144. Yeah, they're insane contracts. Yeah.
2:30:01
Speaker 3: What was your rookie contract?
2:30:02
Speaker 4: 60,000 signing and 70,000 base.
2:30:09
Speaker 3: Man, that is nuts how much the NFL has grown.
2:30:11
Speaker 3: That's inflation, brother. That's what that is. Micah's four-year 186.
2:30:16
Speaker 3: Four years, 186. Micah Parsons.
2:30:18
Speaker 4: Man.
2:30:19
Speaker 3: Listen, there's a lot of.
2:30:21
Speaker 4: Money out there. Happy for him. If that's what's going
2:30:24
Speaker 4: on now, that's what's going on. I'm not going to
2:30:27
Speaker 4: be envious of somebody else. I just think, you know,
2:30:33
Speaker 4: he had to do something to get that money. So
2:30:36
Speaker 4: I'm just excited for him. I like the guy, man.
2:30:41
Speaker 4: I think that he's one hell of a great athlete.
2:30:44
Speaker 3: Do you still watch a lot of football, a lot
2:30:46
Speaker 3: of NFL stuff?
2:30:47
Speaker 14: No.
2:30:48
Speaker 3: All right, fair enough. There was my last question.
2:30:49
Speaker 5: Do you ever peek around the pass rushers that you
2:30:51
Speaker 5: feel like have that DOG in them?
2:30:55
Speaker 4: No. The game is changed, man. They're throwing the ball 60%, 70%
2:30:59
Speaker 4: of the time, man. And they're getting blocked one-on-one. Jesus Christ,
2:31:05
Speaker 4: I wish that would have happened. Man, the reason why
2:31:11
Speaker 4: my career got, you know, the backs hitting my hip,
2:31:14
Speaker 4: you know, I'm getting, you know... They brought hell to
2:31:20
Speaker 4: my door, and you know what? And hell was there
2:31:22
Speaker 4: waiting on them, too.
2:31:27
Speaker 5: Your kids that were athletes growing up, how much did
2:31:29
Speaker 5: they ever want to talk about you and your playing days?
2:31:32
Speaker 3: And pick your brain about advice?
2:31:35
Speaker 4: No, never. They never, you know, it's like I try
2:31:39
Speaker 4: to teach them stuff, and they want to do what
2:31:42
Speaker 4: that coach said, and the coach ain't never did nothing
2:31:45
Speaker 4: in their lives, and Instead of listening to what I say,
2:31:49
Speaker 4: you know?
2:31:50
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:31:51
Speaker 4: Yeah. My youngest daughter probably is the only one that
2:31:54
Speaker 4: ever listens. And I talk to her a lot. She's,
2:31:59
Speaker 4: you know, she's playing professional soccer at Brighton in England.
2:32:02
Speaker 4: And I tell her how longevity work is, you know,
2:32:08
Speaker 4: it's simple, you know, endurance. And then, you know, you
2:32:11
Speaker 4: got to do great ab work because when somebody hits
2:32:14
Speaker 4: you and, you know, they try to knock the breath
2:32:17
Speaker 4: out of you, then it takes a while to, you know,
2:32:19
Speaker 4: get that momentum back. And so she listens and she's
2:32:25
Speaker 4: been rewarded for it. And she has that dog that
2:32:31
Speaker 4: was in me. I see that in her.
2:32:33
Speaker 5: That's got to make you smile too. How often do
2:32:35
Speaker 5: you get out and go see Game of Furs?
2:32:38
Speaker 4: I go about three times a year. Man, I hate
2:32:41
Speaker 4: that journey, man. And that food sucks, man.
2:32:45
Speaker 3: God, Jesus Christ.
2:32:48
Speaker 4: The first time I went, man, I had diarrhea for days.
2:32:52
Speaker 4: I was going like, God, man, nobody cooked anything well, man.
2:32:57
Speaker 4: Y'all white guys like, y'all like raw. I'm from the South.
2:33:03
Speaker 4: I'm from the South, man. I like it cooked all
2:33:05
Speaker 4: the way, you know.
2:33:07
Speaker 3: What is their go-to over there? They just broil everything.
2:33:11
Speaker 3: It's all boiled.
2:33:11
Speaker 4: And most of it is, I think, Asian food.
2:33:14
Speaker 3: In London? Asian food's nice.
2:33:15
Speaker 4: What are you talking about, Charles?
2:33:17
Speaker 3: Asian food's nice.
2:33:19
Speaker 4: Bruh, I want some chicken. Fried chicken.
2:33:22
Speaker 3: The Asians do that.
2:33:23
Speaker 4: I like chicken.
2:33:24
Speaker 3: General Tso's.
2:33:25
Speaker 5: Huh?
2:33:26
Speaker 3: General Tso's chicken.
2:33:27
Speaker 1: Orange chicken.
2:33:28
Speaker 3: It's all fried. Fried, delicious.
2:33:31
Speaker 4: Hey, bruh. No. Give me....
2:33:35
Speaker 3: Charles, give me your, your number one meal. Like if
2:33:38
Speaker 3: you could have like best day of your life, let's
2:33:40
Speaker 3: have a Sunday night dinner. What is the one thing
2:33:42
Speaker 3: you want to eat?
2:33:44
Speaker 4: Um, chicken, corn, and, um, like, uh, asparagus.
2:33:48
Speaker 3: What kind of, what kind of chicken we having?
2:33:50
Speaker 4: Um, it depends what I'm trying to lose weight. And
2:33:54
Speaker 4: otherwise I'm trying to fry chicken and, um, and you know, I,
2:34:00
Speaker 4: I used to like, um, mashed potatoes. I don't. So
2:34:03
Speaker 4: I do, um, vegetables. Um, corn and green beans or asparagus, yeah.
2:34:10
Speaker 3: What happened to mashed potatoes? What happened with that fallout?
2:34:12
Speaker 3: What'd they do to you?
2:34:13
Speaker 4: Man, I ate mashed potatoes my whole life, dog. I just,
2:34:16
Speaker 4: them on them. I eat sweet potatoes.
2:34:20
Speaker 3: You talking about mashed potatoes like it's a drug? I
2:34:21
Speaker 3: did that my whole life. I just had to stop
2:34:25
Speaker 3: doing it.
2:34:25
Speaker 4: You know, in the country, they put lime on it
2:34:29
Speaker 4: and put it up on the house. Mashed potatoes and
2:34:33
Speaker 4: sweet potatoes. And then, you know, you eat that year round.
2:34:38
Speaker 4: And so, you know, I had, we had chicken every day.
2:34:42
Speaker 4: And then we had wish soup. We wish we knew
2:34:44
Speaker 4: what was in it. But it was good. Whatever it was, it.
2:34:51
Speaker 3: Was good. BLQ?
2:34:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, BLQ.
2:34:52
Speaker 3: We're on the same page.
2:34:53
Speaker 5: Charles, we got a Bud Light question for you. You
2:34:56
Speaker 5: know how people would do anything for an ice cold
2:34:58
Speaker 5: Bud Light. What is something that you would do anything for?
2:35:02
Speaker 3: Can't say family.
2:35:04
Speaker 4: I would do anything for. Yeah, what would you do.
2:35:06
Speaker 3: Anything for nowadays? If you want some examples, we'll give
2:35:08
Speaker 3: you some examples.
2:35:09
Speaker 4: No, I didn't ask you for examples.
2:35:11
Speaker 3: Okay, I was just trying to help.
2:35:13
Speaker 4: No, hey, I'll ask you for help if I need it.
2:35:15
Speaker 3: You got it, absolutely.
2:35:17
Speaker 4: I'll say at this time in my life, it's about
2:35:23
Speaker 4: giving back and it's about helping people understand what mental
2:35:28
Speaker 4: illness is. So that would be my thing. It's letting
2:35:34
Speaker 4: go of some of the pain I have and helping
2:35:36
Speaker 4: somebody else get through it. And that would be the
2:35:41
Speaker 4: biggest thing.
2:35:43
Speaker 3: Beautifully said.
2:35:45
Speaker 5: Charles, honestly, really appreciate you for coming on. It was
2:35:47
Speaker 5: an honor having you on.
2:35:48
Speaker 4: I thought I was supposed to be here for an hour, man.
2:35:50
Speaker 4: We look like we've been here for days, bruh. On
2:35:55
Speaker 4: this bus. Hey, this ain't John's bad bus for real,
2:35:58
Speaker 4: is it?
2:35:58
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:35:58
Speaker 3: That's what they said. They said he used to sleep
2:36:00
Speaker 3: on that bed. There's a photo of him right behind
2:36:01
Speaker 3: JP right there.
2:36:02
Speaker 4: Oh, okay. I remember I came on his bus a lot, man,
2:36:05
Speaker 4: when I was playing and we just sat there and talked.
2:36:10
Speaker 4: He was, man, he was, hey. he's the best commentator ever, man.
2:36:13
Speaker 4: He broke football. He made football simple. Yeah.
2:36:17
Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite Madden story?
2:36:19
Speaker 4: Um, Hey, man, I love John. I don't have a
2:36:26
Speaker 4: favorite or, uh, he, man, I, I just, you know,
2:36:30
Speaker 4: he loves football, Jesus Christ. And, you know, he said
2:36:34
Speaker 4: that that laugh that he had is contagious. And, you know, I,
2:36:38
Speaker 4: I like being around him and, um, And, you know,
2:36:42
Speaker 4: I hate that he passed because we lost a great one.
2:36:46
Speaker 4: The rest of these guys, man, that do commentating, you know,
2:36:49
Speaker 4: I don't listen to them, man, because they act like
2:36:52
Speaker 4: they know everything, you know. And, you know, you coach,
2:36:57
Speaker 4: you were the head coach, and then you're able to
2:36:59
Speaker 4: break things down and make it simple, you know. He
2:37:03
Speaker 4: makes it simple for anybody that want to watch football, women, kids, whatever.
2:37:09
Speaker 4: It was just. You know, and I just loved it, man.
2:37:13
Speaker 4: He had fun. And then all the food. Oh God,
2:37:16
Speaker 4: he loved looking at food in that parking lot, bro.
2:37:19
Speaker 5: So there's no commentators you like now? Because you do
2:37:24
Speaker 5: have a former teammate.
2:37:25
Speaker 3: The one that would show up to the the cookouts,
2:37:29
Speaker 3: the parties, Troy Hickman.
2:37:32
Speaker 4: I didn't know Troy could talk, man. Hey, when we played, man,
2:37:36
Speaker 4: all I heard him go, you know, call the cadence
2:37:39
Speaker 4: out and stuff. And then, you know, I always thought
2:37:43
Speaker 4: he was dumb, man, because the training room, he was
2:37:46
Speaker 4: right across from the training room and I'm, He's on
2:37:49
Speaker 4: the front looking at the training room, and I'm on
2:37:51
Speaker 4: the other side, man. And every game, I like telling jokes.
2:37:55
Speaker 4: So every game, I'll be over there coming up with
2:37:59
Speaker 4: new jokes, and he will swallow the chew he had. Dude,
2:38:03
Speaker 4: he has to run into the bathroom, dog. I'm going like,
2:38:05
Speaker 4: after the second time, bro, when I start, you're supposed
2:38:08
Speaker 4: to spit that stuff out, dog. So I used to
2:38:12
Speaker 4: get them. Then pitcher day, oh, my God, man. Pitcher
2:38:14
Speaker 4: day was the best day of the year because, Um,
2:38:18
Speaker 4: everybody had jokes and, um, and you know, it was just, uh,
2:38:23
Speaker 4: and then Troy be down there. He started laughing, choking and,
2:38:26
Speaker 4: you know, Hey, he's been a really great friend and, um,
2:38:29
Speaker 4: and I love him, man. Um, you know, I, I
2:38:33
Speaker 4: had some really great teammates that, um, especially like I said,
2:38:38
Speaker 4: at the Cowboys, I let my guard down became, um,
2:38:43
Speaker 4: a leader and I made people my friends. Where at
2:38:47
Speaker 4: the 49ers, it was pretty much Ronnie and a couple
2:38:50
Speaker 4: of other guys and everybody else, you know, I didn't
2:38:53
Speaker 4: care about. I didn't care a shit at all. All
2:38:56
Speaker 4: right guys, it's over. Yeah, it's over guys, man. I
2:38:59
Speaker 4: ain't getting paid enough to keep talking.
2:39:03
Speaker 3: We were thinking the same thing. You're not getting paid
2:39:05
Speaker 3: at all. Absolutely.
2:39:06
Speaker 4: Appreciate you.
2:39:07
Speaker 3: Have a good one, brother. Thank you very much.
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